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[Exodus]

my rendering of what i think it should look like. (rough sketch) :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/maxreality/randomness/newtcor_b.jpg:tup: Me likes!
BTW, I like the design of the new towers a lot better than the old ones.

[Daquan13]

Ummm, you know like uhh............, Not trying to sound nasty or anything, but in what lifetime are you hoping to see this happen, this one or the next?

[NYguy]

These new designs look ok, but just don't come across as a sign of financial power to me at all, like WTC did.

Ridiculous. These will be some of the largest, most massive towers in the city. The Twin Towers weren't so much of a financial symbol as they were large skyscrapers. They didn't have the massive trading floors these towers will have. In reality, this new WTC will appear far more larger than the original.

[Fabb]

I haven't visited this thread in a while, and I was wondering if the (crappy) crown of the Freedom Tower had been redesigned. If I remember correctly, the first version was a draft and it was supposed to be worked on.

Any news on that ?

[Daquan13]

Ridiculous. These will be some of the largest, most massive towers in the city. The Twin Towers weren't so much of a financial symbol as they were large skyscrapers. They didn't have the massive trading floors these towers will have. In reality, this new WTC will appear far more larger than the original.



Right!

But they don't want this design. They'd rather have the Twins back, and to them, nothing will ever replace what was there before.

In their eyes, the NWTC will NEVER have the same symbolism, looks, dignity and respect as the Twins did.

Please, they need to just grow up and face reality and the fact that we'll have a much better complex than before.

They just keep on ojecting to this rather stylish design that is just as tall in structural height as the old Twins, yet they still insist on worshipping two mediocre slabs from the early '70s!! I just don't get it.:shrug::koko::rolleyes:

[m@!]

But they don't want this design. They'd rather have the Twins back, and to them, nothing will ever replace what was there before.

In their eyes, the NWTC will NEVER have the same symbolism, looks, dignity and respect as the Twins did.

Please, they need to just grow up and face reality and the fact that we'll have a much better complex than before.

They just keep on ojecting to this rather stylish design that is just as tall in structural height as the old Twins, yet they still insist on worshipping two mediocre slabs from the early '70s!! I just don't get it.:shrug::koko::rolleyes:

i don't expect anything to happen at any point. in MY opinion, it wasn't the height of the trade centers that was so intriguing. it was the fact that there were two side by side. i like minimal designs and a lot of the buildings these days look like they've been modeled with a piece of ice. it's just not what i consider impressive. but that's just my opinion anyways and i'm not donating a dollar to the project so they can do whatever they want with it.

[Ersh]

my rendering of what i think it should look like. (rough sketch) :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/maxreality/randomness/newtcor_b.jpg

I think the closest to that we'll see is in Adam Sandler's movie "Click" ;)

[Ryan81]

I know people get frustrated on this forum when others talk about the old twin towers and how they want something similar built. I think it's ok for people to hold a sentament about the old towers - People will grow acustomed to the new towers once they are built and there for a while. Whether you think architecturally they are mediocre or not, they were a symbol for New York. It would take quite a while for people in St. Louis for example to get over the loss of the gateway arch. It would take a long time for some people to get over the loss of the John Hancock building and/or the Sears tower. Just think of San Francisco without the Golden Gate bridge. Structures would be built in their place, but it would never be the same...just different. It just takes people a long time to get aclimated to change - I think it's normal. That said, I think the new towers will look stunning in the new skyline. They will start to define a new New York....anyway those are my ramblings

[Ghost]

I agree. I think it's ok to people tell their opinions here, that's the basics of democracy. And it's also ok if for example Daquan don't like those opinions. Myself, at first I really hated the desing, but it grows on people and it did (and does) with me. Last half year or so I've followed this project - and now I want to see some updates! There is construction going on, so there must be something happening!

[skymetalscraper]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/maxreality/randomness/newtcor_b.jpg

for me it's better :)

[m@!]

I think the closest to that we'll see is in Adam Sandler's movie "Click" ;)

haha, i know :(

[Dream'n]

I'd be a lot happier to see that vision also. Singularly and alone it lacks symbolism and doesn't respect the past.

[mcdonnell77]

my rendering of what i think it should look like. (rough sketch) :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/maxreality/randomness/newtcor_b.jpg

Wow :) i really like it, that is what i also hoped they would do.

[Daquan13]

I agree. I think it's ok to people tell their opinions here, that's the basics of democracy. And it's also ok if for example Daquan don't like those opinions. Myself, at first I really hated the desing, but it grows on people and it did (and does) with me. Last half year or so I've followed this project - and now I want to see some updates! There is construction going on, so there must be something happening!



Ghost, everyone IS entitled to their own opinion. I'm not knocking that.

But what really makes me sick to my stomach is the fact that some don't seem to know what's up with Ground Zero, which is why there is constant blatent pics of twinned Freedom Towers here to evoke the missing Twins when we all know that they are only going to build one.

This has really gotten old. The poking, the complaints, the pics, the quests for what we all know won't happen.

Each of the towers will be fashionably styled, will be magnificent and will soar to unpresedented heights in the sky. Times have changed. And so as not to dwell back on what was there before, we all have to move on. I mean, it's nice to think about the Twins and remember how great they were, but all the ranting, raving and complaining in the world will not bring anything close to them back for Ground Zero.

You guys have to realise that and put away your toys because the present plan is here to stay.:rolleyes:

[Patrick]

Daquan13, seriously, I'm susually on your side. But you started this fight, you always do. When someone says something related the Twin Towers or two Freedom Towers, you usually start a fight.

So Daquan 13, if someone mentions Two Freedom Towers or Twin Towers, ignore it or shut up, unless you have something positive to say.

[2-TOWERS]

Daquan13, seriously, I'm susually on your side. But you started this fight, you always do. When someone says something related the Twin Towers or two Freedom Towers, you usually start a fight.

So Daquan 13, if someone mentions Two Freedom Towers or Twin Towers, ignore it or shut up, unless you have something positive to say.

a-men:tup:

[NYguy]

I'd be a lot happier to see that vision also. Singularly and alone it lacks symbolism and doesn't respect the past.

Really? I think it's more respectful by not trying to replicate what was lost. Those buildings are gone, destroyed in a terrorist attack. Simply building duplicates, or "clones" of the originals won't change that.

But beyond that, this isn't the 1960's anymore. Given the same architect, you wouldn't get that same design today.

In short, get used to the Twin Towers being gone already. It's going on six years now. Most people in New York have moved on.

[Daquan13]

Daquan13, seriously, I'm susually on your side. But you started this fight, you always do. When someone says something related the Twin Towers or two Freedom Towers, you usually start a fight.

So Daquan 13, if someone mentions Two Freedom Towers or Twin Towers, ignore it or shut up, unless you have something positive to say.



You guys can rant, rave and scream all you want to,:rant: But it's the officials who will have the last laugh. :haha:

Just admit it Patrick, it's YOU that are LOOKING for an excuse to fight. You always did from Day One. I'm voicing my opinion just like you just did, but I'm telling you the TRUTH about Ground Zero. I shouldn't have to, BECAUSE ALL OF US KNOWTHE TRUTH.

I got nothing against anyone REFLECTING BACK on the Twins. It's that old tired wasted distasteful same old record that just keeps on being played; "I want the Twins back!" "Why can't they just rebuild the Twins and get it over with?" Or; "I'm filing a partition to have the Twins rebuilt!" Now the same old tired song is being played with the Freedom Tower. "Oh, why can't they just build TWO Freedom Towers to at least evoke the missing Twins?" Honestly, when will this lost cause give up? Haha!!

Patrick, I DID have something possitive to say, and I just said it. Duh!!! The sooner that all of you just get off that high horse of yours and come back down to earth, realise what today's new look for Ground Zero will be like, I think it's YOU guys who need to shut up.

Also, I think some of you are getting a ridiculously huge bonified boner for the Twins or 2 Freedom Towers, when some of you know perfectly well that you ddn't like the tower in the first place from Day One, and probably STILL don't like it but you'd rapidly settle for a pair of FT's to satisfy your ridiculous lust for the Twins and make you at least FEEL like they were rebuilt. Sound familiar? Haha!!

All of this bullcrap spewing coming from you guys is just wasted breath. You know that I'm right in saying that it is what it is for Ground Zero, but you don't want to hear it, so please stop trolling this thread with your ridiculous wants for the Twins or Twin Towers' substitutes. Haha!!

And BTW, I thought no wanting the Twins back or anything related to wanting them back was allowed here.So seriously, you guys already spammed this thread with your wants and needs for the Twins, knowing full well that it won't happen. Get over it. I did. Haha!!:banana:

And you're so right NYguy!!! This sad song about wanting the Twins back needs to be buried and forgotten.:rolleyes:

[SamNHRA]

This is my first post but I've been watching this thread for a long time now. I'm not usually the one to speak out but Duquan, you are annoying. You're just as annoying as a 7 yr old kid wanting a new toy every time their parents take them to wal-mart. There is nothing wrong with wanting the twins back. We all know it aint gonna happen but there is nothing wrong with wanting them. First amendment says we got the freedom of speech. Hey they're just saying what they feel, quit bitching about it. If you wanna complain, take it somewhere else where someone else might, just might care. We heard ya the first time, once is enough.

[Norsider]

Daquan has also posted here 7,764 times in a little under 4 years, good for an average of 5.4 posts per day counting weekends. Let's face it, besides this forum, the dude has no life.

[Daquan13]

Really? Well then, I'm just going to have to be a 7-year-old kid wanting a toy because guess what? I want the Freedom Tower built. Both of you, grow up. Wanting the formers back makes YOU guys act like 7-year-olds, especially when you know that it won't happen. Haha!!

You probably don't like it because I speak the truth. I'm real. Yes, you heard me the first time, but you just keep on playing that same old tired song. Haha!!:poke:

But I'm sorry, I don't care. It's friggen ok for you to trash the thread with your wants for the Twins or for 2 Freedom Towers, but when I say that only one is being built, you hate my guts.

Too bad, so sad. I think YOU guys need to go get a life. Haha!!

[SamNHRA]

Whoever said we were upset that only one building is being built. Actually a whole slew of em are being built. I personally like the NWTC but there is also a place in my head wanting the twins back. It's just sad is that you're acting like a 6th grade school girl whining about certain opinions that some of us have.

[Dream'n]

Really? I think it's more respectful by not trying to replicate what was lost. Those buildings are gone, destroyed in a terrorist attack. Simply building duplicates, or "clones" of the originals won't change that.

But beyond that, this isn't the 1960's anymore. Given the same architect, you wouldn't get that same design today.

In short, get used to the Twin Towers being gone already. It's going on six years now. Most people in New York have moved on.

Did I state I wanted the old ones back? Why bring up 1960's architecture or clones of the original? What I said is that I'd rather see this design with a twin and yes I (me and a few others) would like to see it. Also yes I do think it's respectful in symbolism alone.


You have your opinion and I have mine and when I'm quoted I don't like to have a bunch of junk thrown in that I didn't state making it seem I'm saying something I didn't.

[Stu]

This forum is NOT a democracy. It is a privately owned forum run by the owner and his adminstration and moderator staff. That's all it is.

Look, this is a thread about the construction of the FT. It get's very annoying when someone checks the thread out for relevant info and is bombarded with off topic posts. There is already a forum, for talk of the old WTC. Is it asking too much for people to keep each thread on topic and clean of post after post of irrelevant banter? I mean, a little self moderation would be nice.

[Daquan13]

Whoever said we were upset that only one building is being built. Actually a whole slew of em are being built. I personally like the NWTC but there is also a place in my head wanting the twins back. It's just sad is that you're acting like a 6th grade school girl whining about certain opinions that some of us have.



Oh God! This is just ridiculous.

And it's so sad that you and others are trashing this thread with your sad love songs for something that will never materialize again.

Get off of that already.

You've got some crust saying that I'M whining like a little girl. Looks who's wailing and whining and bitching like a girl about wanting the Twins back.

As Toni Braxton sang in one of her songs; It's Just Another Sad Love Song Racking My Brain Like Crazy. You put so much effort in whining this sad love song with the Twins, when you should just be thinking of how they WERE. Not
about wanting them back.

[2-TOWERS]

first of all the twins were very modern, way ahead of their times, we know there gone forever, but they were not like you typical early 70's skyscraper, sure they were boxes , but they had power, the gothic arches to the slim narrow windows, and the sunset shot ,to the evening shots ,to the early morning shots of the towers were amazin.sure a 2 tower freedom design would have been nice, or even if they made #2 just as tall, but we can voice our opinion, and the people that bad mouth us , just act like they are happy the twins are gone, personally the new trump desgn would have been the best minus the smaller buildings, anyway the new complex if it happens will get a b plus......:D

[Daquan13]

And they're gone now, so please, let's close this chapter, nail the coffin shut and move on.

Nothing at all against you guys personally or the Twins, but I think the time has come to bid the buildings farewell and open a whole new chapter for Ground Zero. I bet that twenty years from now, we'll STILL be hearing this sad love song about wanting them back. Haha!!

[kznyc2k]

Daquan, why do you need to respond every time someone mentions something about new twin towers or other dreams for site? If you don't like it, then just don't say anything and let the side-conversation fizzle out on its own. that's what everyone else does.

We all have heard you say "move on" three thousand times, and then you probably wonder why people attack you every couple of days (ask yourself, what am I doing that makes so many people attack me so often?). Just don't say anything -- we've heard you repeat yourself enough.


Also, samNHRA said "there is also a place in my head wanting the twins back" to which you said "Looks who's wailing and whining and bitching like a girl about wanting the Twins back." Really? That rather gentle comment was whining and bitching? Take it easy on the hyperbole. Better yet, just follow the advice I gave above and stop posting so damn much.

[TAFisher123]

You morons are ruining this thread, take it off line.

[donybrx]

this thread....it's like a soap opera. you can ignore it for six months, then check in and find the same stuff.... come to think of it, it's more like the movie "Ground Hog Day". Ugh.....it's one of the worst threads anywhere........what's the threat? FT is abuilding....why be so insecure about it that the mere mention of the old Twins sends you into the rigors..... it doesn't compute.....you're getting what you want...that's enough. Summon some maturity, stick to developments & positive news and get out of the habit of hauling out the troglodytes every time you get offended...in Boston, no less......

[BINARY SYSTEM]

CURVEBALL: Build one of theses bad boys...lol :D

:drummer: :thrasher: :tomato:

http://www.eikongraphia.com/wordpress/wp-content/UA%20WTC%202.jpg

http://www.world-memorial.org/New/firmf_sig3.jpg

http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/signature/Fosters-Battery-Park-view-1.jpg

[hoosier]

So, any new action going on at Ground Zero?

[Daquan13]

Daquan, why do you need to respond every time someone mentions something about new twin towers or other dreams for site? If you don't like it, then just don't say anything and let the side-conversation fizzle out on its own. that's what everyone else does.

We all have heard you say "move on" three thousand times, and then you probably wonder why people attack you every couple of days (ask yourself, what am I doing that makes so many people attack me so often?). Just don't say anything -- we've heard you repeat yourself enough.


Also, samNHRA said "there is also a place in my head wanting the twins back" to which you said "Looks who's wailing and whining and bitching like a girl about wanting the Twins back." Really? That rather gentle comment was whining and bitching? Take it easy on the hyperbole. Better yet, just follow the advice I gave above and stop posting so damn much.



Guess what? Move on, please. What am I doing that makes people attack me so much? Well, as Clark Gable said in Gone With the Wind; Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. That means that I could give a crap less about what you guys think about me. Haha!!

I don't look at it as anyone attacking me at all. The more that I respond, the more pissed off some of you seem to get. Tit for tat.

Equally as annoying are some of you guys filling up this thread with rants and that old tired sad love song "I want the Twins back." Like some of you want to make love to them or something.

For Pete's sake, if you guys miss the Twins that much and want them back, then why don't one of you start a thread on it?

And I got just as much right as you and everyoned else to post as often as I like.:notacrook:

And BTW, Binary, the one in the bottom pic would have been nice.

[Matty]

^ You do nothing but complain whenever someone voices an opinion different than yours. Of course you'll annoy people.

[charger1966]

Well I see that nothing has changed in this forum since I last visited.

Lance

[Daquan13]

Matty, I DID say in an earlier post that everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinions.

Maybe you missed that one, or are you all of a sudden suffering from a permenant memory loss?:haha:

[Urban Sky]

Daquan, why do you need to respond every time someone mentions something about new twin towers or other dreams for site? If you don't like it, then just don't say anything and let the side-conversation fizzle out on its own. that's what everyone else does.

We all have heard you say "move on" three thousand times, and then you probably wonder why people attack you every couple of days (ask yourself, what am I doing that makes so many people attack me so often?). Just don't say anything -- we've heard you repeat yourself enough.


its just too easy hahahahaha

[tone99loc]

Daquan: I hardly ever post. But I do read posts and feel compelled to write and let you know I think you're annoying, obnoxious, antagonistic, impatient, and immature. You should be hanging out at MySpace. If you insist on posting, can you please be more thoughtful, more civil, and more respectful to others.

BTW, I take the PATH every morning to work, arriving in the WTC bathtub. The entire site is humming; extremely busy everywhere, cement mixers lined up, etc. ..The trains pull up near where the footprint memorial work is being done and today you could see what appeared to be the actual bedrock (it looked like "rock" as opposed to earth)...Not sure what they were doing, maybe slurry wall work?

[Daquan13]

Daquan: I hardly ever post. But I do read posts and feel compelled to write and let you know I think you're annoying, obnoxious, antagonistic, impatient, and immature. You should be hanging out at MySpace. If you insist on posting, can you please be more thoughtful, more civil, and more respectful to others.

BTW, I take the PATH every morning to work, arriving in the WTC bathtub. The entire site is humming; extremely busy everywhere, cement mixers lined up, etc. ..The trains pull up near where the footprint memorial work is being done and today you could see what appeared to be the actual bedrock (it looked like "rock" as opposed to earth)...Not sure what they were doing, maybe slurry wall work?



Good. I AM being thoughtful and more civil.

I thought that I should give my honest feelings about those rants. Now I'll leave them alone.:jester:

[JMGarcia]

Enough.

The next off topic post and every one there after will be deleted. If I have to delete more than one by any individual here there will be further action taken.

Daquan, the next time you repeat yourself you will be disciplined. Furthermore, this is not the place to talk about anything other than the Freedom Tower's contruction. Go to the WTC forum and start a "Twins" thread but keep it out of here.

That's all.

[Patrick]

Whew, I'd reply but ugh I want to get this thread back in order. But one question. Why isnt Daquan13 banned for all his spamming and wasteful comments?

So, any new action going on at Ground Zero?

Well, apparantly only the Freedom Tower is under construction, amazingly slow. I dont know when the other towers will start.

When dose the second tower start?

[Ghost]

I'm not sure but I think I heard somewhere around Q1-2 2008...

[CoolCzech]

Let's remember, even though the entire center won't be 100 percent "finished" until early next decade doesn't mean we're not going to see significant steel rising all around it. We're in for a construction treat starting NOW, and another way to look at it is, we'll have several years to savor it.

I still remember immediately after 9/11, when I drove across the Whitestone and saw lower Manhattan without the Twins for the first time. That packed quite an emotional wallop. Not very long from now, the FT will begin to make its presence known from that view... it won't really matter much if it's occupied or not once its outline looms over that skyline.

[NYguy]

Look, this is a thread about the construction of the FT. It get's very annoying when someone checks the thread out for relevant info and is bombarded with off topic posts. There is already a forum, for talk of the old WTC. Is it asking too much for people to keep each thread on topic and clean of post after post of irrelevant banter? I mean, a little self moderation would be nice.

Exactly. All it takes is one of these morons to make a statement about the Twins, then the rest of the nuts come out of the woodwork.

[NYguy]

Well, apparantly only the Freedom Tower is under construction, amazingly slow.

-The Freedom Tower is under construction. Barely underway a year yet, hardly slow considering much smaller, less complicated towers have taken longer.

-The Calatrava PATH terminal is under construction

-The Memorial is under construction

-The "tub" for towers 2, 3 and 4 is under construction

In short, all of ground zero is under construction, and has been for a while now.

[nygirl1]

Thats right.

[charger1966]

Thanks NYGuy for that update. I look in here from time to time to get an idea of what is being done down there. Lately all I saw was bickering. I like seeing conscruction news on a conscrution forum, Go figure.

Thanks again
Lance

[NYguy]

From the MSG thread...

Observer (broken into 3 segments)

Childs: ‘Most Extraordinary Project Ever Done’
For David Childs, the Freedom Tower is merely the tip of his Gotham iceberg—there’s also Moynihan Station, vetting other Ground Zero architects, and using I.M. Pei’s advice to navigate City Hall


http://www.observer.com/data/articleimages/photoimages/040207_article_sitdown.jpg


By Matthew Schuerman

Location: You have a number of publicly funded—or at least very public—projects: the Freedom Tower, Moynihan Station and Sheldon Solow’s East Side development on the Consolidated Edison site. Why do you keep getting chosen to do these projects?

Childs: Well, I love them, frankly. And I also believe that architects should be involved in the cities in which they live. So I therefore have been involved in a lot of city planning through [the Municipal Art Society]. I’ve been around and have been involved in those things. We also have a very large office that, frankly, loves to do very large, complicated projects.

What’s your secret for negotiating all the bureaucratic and political obstacles?

Bureaucratic isn’t so bad. I’m a big believer in community review: You get some of your best insights sometimes from those types of processes.

The most important thing that an architect does—and this was taught to me by I.M. Pei many years ago—is choosing your plan. Sometimes, in the development world, we have had some developers whose aspirations didn’t meet the project that they were doing.

And that’s the dirty work. Any great architect can do something spectacular for City Hall. Sometimes a person who owns the piece of property, you can drag them from doing a B-minus building to doing a B-plus building, and you have achieved a lot. But it is a tough thing to do.

You have said in the past that you wouldn’t mind it if people looked at one of your buildings and never said, “That’s a David Childs building.”

That’s wonderful. Often, architects can have a very clear style. Frankly, I believe that there are certain fundamentals with every project, but stylistically, they vary considerably. That’s because every project is different because of its site, location and program.

I am particularly happy in a project like the World Trade Center. I think it’s kind of funny to have an architect’s name attached to it. It should be the World Trade Center Tower 1, not the Childs Tower.

How do you think your building will fit in with those at the trade-center site by Norman Foster, Richard Rogers and Fumihiko Maki?

When Larry [Silverstein] and I first got together after 9/11, he said, “I want you to be my Yamasaki [the architect of the original World Trade Center].” And I told him, “Larry, you won’t believe this, but I think that you should have many architects. I believe that because it is too big for one person to do.”

He asked me to recommend a list of architects, which I did. I think they have made a good effort to work together.

So you prescreened those three?

My list was longer, but those three were there.

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As for Moynihan Station, how are you going to get a basketball arena in the back end of the Farley Post Office?

We’re not. Madison Square Garden is to get [the arena] in the back of Farley. They’ve got an architect from Toronto who is doing that.

So you are just doing the front end?

I would say they would think their front door would be Ninth Avenue. We’re doing the Farley, and I must say what I think is wonderful is what has happened under this developer [a partnership between Vornado Realty and the Related Companies]. They have this combined vision of doing a whole building from Seventh to Eighth [avenues]. Right now, we are trying to look at the biggest picture to do what might be the most extraordinary project ever done.

I thought a different architect might be brought in for each building.

They are! There are many other sites Vornado has in the area. I know that Cesar Pelli will be involved, KPF, our friend Norman Foster and ourselves. The site itself has another 5.5 million square feet.

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What is your reaction to the comment that the Freedom Tower will look like a fortress?

That is the most ridiculous thing. It’s stated by people who haven’t even looked at the plans. We did a new design in which the whole building is fractionally larger than the core of the old building. Now we have transfer floors, so this building is a fraction of what it was.

And yes, we have to have a high percentage of solid in that base to get to a point where, any blast from the street, people will be protected where they work.

I had originally thought, in the original proposal, that the base of the building would be stone or metal. In the end, I decided to make it glass. The whole base is cast glass, which is not flat; it is a cast glass with ridges in it that are actually prisms.

Basically, glass over concrete?

No more so than this is glass over concrete [pointing to his window]. Where it is not glass looking through, it is a glass skin that, when light hits it, it breaks into color behind it. I think it will be the most clear, transparent, light color—I think we hit a home run here. When people see it, they are going to love it.

[CoolCzech]

I am particularly happy in a project like the World Trade Center. I think it’s kind of funny to have an architect’s name attached to it. It should be the World Trade Center Tower 1, not the Childs Tower.


Cue complaints about the name "Freedom Tower," 1... 2... 3....

[CoolCzech]

Thanks for posting that interview with Childs, NYguy! Sounds like for all the attention the World Trade Center rebuild is getting, the real action might in actuality be midtown! Staggering thought, when one considers the awesome scale of what will be done at the former "Ground Zero."

[NYguy]

Thanks for posting that interview with Childs, NYguy! Sounds like for all the attention the World Trade Center rebuild is getting, the real action might in actuality be midtown! Staggering thought, when one considers the awesome scale of what will be done at the former "Ground Zero."

The development on the 33rd Street corridor is actually larger than the WTC development. I love it when they think big.

[NYguy]

BTW, I can't figure out if those are all variations of the Freedom Tower behind Childs...

http://www.observer.com/data/articleimages/photoimages/040207_article_sitdown.jpg

[Daquan13]

I think they are. Looks like there's a few twisting designs there.

Look closely at the tower to the extreme right behind him on the middle shelf. It looks like the present design that's being built now.

And it looks as though there are those birdcage designs of the tower on the top shelf.

Also, look at the designs below on the bottom shelf. Either those are the bases of 7 WTC or the Freedom Tower.

[BINARY SYSTEM]

Is David going to change, or try to get rid of the retarded spire or what, have we all looked at this monstrosity long enough! :sly:

http://www.glennbeck.com/picoftheday/06-29-06-pod.jpg

Make it similar to the scraper going up in Spain... roof height= 1776... come on Larry we all know you got the bucks!

http://static.flickr.com/33/56343033_9d7cb6962a.jpg

[NYguy]

Is David going to change, or try to get rid of the retarded spire or what, have we all looked at this monstrosity long enough! :sly:

Make it similar to the scraper going up in Spain... roof height= 1776... come on Larry we all know you got the bucks!

It's not Larry's tower anymore.

[NYC2ATX]

Make it similar to the scraper going up in Spain... roof height= 1776... come on Larry we all know you got the bucks!

http://static.flickr.com/33/56343033_9d7cb6962a.jpg

Where is spain is this being built?
any other details you can offer me, this is a nice building

[ramvid01]

BINARY SYSTEM all you seem to do about this tower is complain. You should be happy its being even built and at that height.

[eburress]

Where is spain is this being built?
any other details you can offer me, this is a nice building

Much nicer than what's being built here!!! :slob:

[BINARY SYSTEM]

Much nicer than what's being built here!!! :slob:

It's much better... FT is a joke people- Foster and Roger's towers puke on the FT. I agree eburress! :yuck:

[BINARY SYSTEM]

It's not Larry's tower anymore.

I thought Larry was still the developer... is it the Port Authority now???

[NYguy]

I thought Larry was still the developer... is it the Port Authority now???

It's the Port Authority's tower. Any change must go through them. But we're way beyond that point now. As with the "rebuild the Twin Towers" crowd, your constant call for a new Freedom Tower design is both stale and ridiculous. This tower is already under construction.

[gzfollower]

Since EarthCam had to relocate their Ground Zero Cam, and LMDC shut their's down, its been hard to find good images of the footings structure and progress. It's actually easier to find historical photos of Towers 1 and 2 during their early construction. Anyway, Yahoo news posts some periodically at http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/ts/091102groundzero. Here are some I haven't seen anywhere else.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/438692691_dcd041f733_m.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/438692699_7672c7be4c_m.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/438692697_874ce82b88_m.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/438692693_8c90c38a74_m.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/438692701_08f7dacda7_m.jpg

Not being in construction or Civil Engineering, I don't know if that's a crane base (I assume) or part of the structure that will "rise out of the pit" - sort of H.G. Wells-ish.

[Ghost]

Yeah, it's the base for crane! I'm also looking forward to see PA's this month pics.

[Ghost]

It's the Port Authority's tower. Any change must go through them. But we're way beyond that point now.
So is this (http://www.wtc.com/ft_owner_developer.aspx) out-dated information?

[DUBAI2015]

Finally!

[Lecom]

BTW, I can't figure out if those are all variations of the Freedom Tower behind Childs...

http://www.observer.com/data/articleimages/photoimages/040207_article_sitdown.jpg
Those are the study models that are chilling by the back wall of the office's presentation room. What you see is 1/3 of the wall at least.

Great FT progress. Finally we'll get to see a crane rise on the site.

[Daquan13]

I was about to ask what that big X-shaped red thing was.

Looks like it was put where the core will go.

[blue_dragon]

found on SSC

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Freedom_tower_2007-mar26.jpg

[Daquan13]

That thing looks like one of the hat trusses that topped out the former towers.

[NYguy]

found on SSC

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Freedom_tower_2007-mar26.jpg

In case there's any more doubt that this tower is being built...

[BINARY SYSTEM]

:previous:
I guess X marks the spot...! :skyscraper:

[Daquan13]

The sure sign of things to come!

[dbee84]

Where is spain is this being built?
any other details you can offer me, this is a nice building

Hi,

The torre cristal is currentely being built in Madrid, Spain, part of a group of 4 skyscrapers of 226-250m (800 foot-ish)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/mdepablo4/MArenaInt/RIndividual/TorredeCristal.gif


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/mdepablo4/MArenaInt/RConjunto/ph11095070102621.jpg


It is quite similar in design, apart from the spike thing.

I have a thread on these towers if anyone wants to read more about them:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118065

or see my time lapse evolution video of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwQlvaGa5c

Greetings from Madrid,

I hope to visit NY one of these days

[2-TOWERS]

the columns still look out of place, just seems like they can't be part of the tower

[dbee84]

I have a question about the freedom tower, is it just me- or does it look like the FT has less office space/volume than one of the old WTC?

[Ghost]

the columns still look out of place, just seems like they can't be part of the tower
No, they are in place. Why they couldn't be?

[CitySkyline]

I have a question about the freedom tower, is it just me- or does it look like the FT has less office space/volume than one of the old WTC?

I don't know the exact figures (I'm sure others here will know better) but yes, the FT has less office space/volume than one of the WTC towers.

Keep in mind that the WTC towers had square floors that were the same size going all the way up; they never tapered at all. On the other hand, FT tapers slowly to smaller floor plates as it goes up.

[charger1966]

Blue Dragon, Could you give post the link to the SSC for those pictures? I thank you
Lance

[Ghost]

Blue Dragon, Could you give post the link to the SSC for those pictures? I thank you
Lance
That image is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Tower) and it's only one on 2007.

[BINARY SYSTEM]

I have a question about the freedom tower, is it just me- or does it look like the FT has less office space/volume than one of the old WTC?

We can't even replace one of the original WTC towers, let alone both. Isn't that sad...! :yes:

[Daquan13]

The OTHER towers should help supplement the Freedom Tower and make up for the total square feet of office space lost on 09-11, and then some.

[CoolCzech]

An unpopular feature of the old Twins was that so many occupants had no windows. Only solution to that, for a tower of equal height like the FT, is to have less floor space. Most occupants will view that as a plus.

[NYguy]

I have a question about the freedom tower, is it just me- or does it look like the FT has less office space/volume than one of the old WTC?

The FT has about 65 % the volume of one of the old Twin Towers. As a result, you get 3 supertowers and two very tall towers (5 new towers) instead of just 2 towers.

[NYguy]

We can't even replace one of the original WTC towers, let alone both. Isn't that sad...! :yes:

What's sad is the repeated ignorance of your comments.

[NYguy]

the columns still look out of place, just seems like they can't be part of the tower

You're right, they're out of place. Looks like we're doomed for more delays when they finally realize what you've known all along....

[CoolCzech]

I find it amusing that binary would point to some tower in Madrid that looks in very many ways like the FT's twin and carry on about how superior its design is. Just goes to show that the merits of the FT's design have little to do with his rants...

[DUBAI2015]

I think placing the steel I-beams was just a publicity stunt to get attention to the Freedom Tower.
If you look at the two months after the beams were placed, nothing happened with the I-beams themselves.

[ramvid01]

I think placing the steel I-beams was just a publicity stunt to get attention to the Freedom Tower.
If you look at the two months after the beams were placed, nothing happened with the I-beams themselves.

The steel beams were placed too early, but the building itself is moving along (the core will start rising shortly).

[BrandonJXN]

I think placing the steel I-beams was just a publicity stunt to get attention to the Freedom Tower.
If you look at the two months after the beams were placed, nothing happened with the I-beams themselves.

Not that seeing the Freedom Tower on the news and in newspapers didn't garner any sort of attention.

[Daquan13]

I think placing the steel I-beams was just a publicity stunt to get attention to the Freedom Tower.
If you look at the two months after the beams were placed, nothing happened with the I-beams themselves.



It WAS a publicity stunt on Pataki's part.

He knew that the tower's steel frame is not scheduled to start soaring into the sky until sometime next year.

[CitySkyline]

An unpopular feature of the old Twins was that so many occupants had no windows. Only solution to that, for a tower of equal height like the FT, is to have less floor space. Most occupants will view that as a plus.

No pun intended, right? ;)

[Milllos]

The red x is base for crane,maybe... :yes:

[Daquan13]

So glad to see that there is more construction activity on the tower!

The core and concrete support posts for the steel columns, at least, should be in full swing by this coming summer!

[Independence]

Shouldn't the remains of the old WTC parking structure be demolished before FT construction begins?
It appears to be a little close to the FT's base...
Or are the remains kept in place?

I don't get it...:stunned:

[Daquan13]

The outbound PATH track that goes back to New Jersey runs under that. The track has been relocated somewhat to accommodate the construction of the tower.

Holes were made there that reach deep into the bedrock to help support some of the giant columns for the tower.

My estimation is that that area will be covered up even more as the tower is built.

Besides, the building has been moved back several feet from the street to satisfy security concerns by the NYPD. So it should not have a bearing on whether one or the other will be interfering with each other.

[NYC2ATX]

Hi,

The torre cristal is currentely being built in Madrid, Spain, part of a group of 4 skyscrapers of 226-250m (800 foot-ish)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/mdepablo4/MArenaInt/RIndividual/TorredeCristal.gif


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/mdepablo4/MArenaInt/RConjunto/ph11095070102621.jpg


It is quite similar in design, apart from the spike thing.

I have a thread on these towers if anyone wants to read more about them:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118065

or see my time lapse evolution video of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwQlvaGa5c

Greetings from Madrid,

I hope to visit NY one of these days

oh haha thats torre cristal, yea i kno about CTBA, i wasnt sure if that was torre cristal or not.

Definitely come to NY someday its amazing, and i cant wait to come to spain ;)

[rich_200]

The building at the left is an exact copy of a building in Monterrey, Mexico, that guy copied as well the freedom tower. He is doing exactly what they are doing in Dubai, STEALING DESIGNS!! why can´t they be original?

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=4710
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=104481&page=22&highlight=Torre+CNCI

[CoolCzech]

Yeah, yeah, and every rectangular shaped tower standing on its end is an exact copy of what they are doing in every city in the Whole Wide World of Sports.... gimme a break.

[CoolCzech]

No pun intended, right? ;)

It would appear so...:haha:

[Daquan13]

Yeah, yeah, and every rectangular shaped tower standing on its end is an exact copy of what they are doing in every city in the Whole Wide World of Sports.... gimme a break.



Yeah, you're right, ColCzech!!

I'm really not interested in skyscrapers being built overseas, since I'll probably never see them there.

I just want to visit the Freedom Tower when it's done. Also, the other towers on the land.

But the next time I go to Windy City, I think I'll visit the JHC, since I haven't visited the obs deck there yet. I visited the one in the Sears Tower several times.