NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[Obey]

nice to have some updates after a completely off-topic discussion. good pic

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

ask and ye' shall receive

today

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[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

hey whats the stuff that the base is being encased in?

[uakoops]

Stainless steel grating. Lets air in, keeps birds out. There will be glass panels (with spaces for airflow) on the outside of the steel, those will probably not be installed until next year.

[JDRCRASH]

Okay, 7WTC, you've had a few years being the proud king of the WTC site, but now it's time for the big boys to take over.:D

[STR]

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[hunser]

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[MadGnome]

What were the office floors in the original twins? about 12ft even?

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

STR, your renderings are amazing!

Webcam update:

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[STR]

What were the office floors in the original twins? about 12ft even?

12ft was typical, some floors were 14 feet high (such as the skylobbies). The 106th was 14'4", but that was because the 107th had a thicker floor slab, so while the slab-to-slab height was irregular, the slab to ceiling was standard.

The new 1WTC is, in case no one caught it yet, 13'4". The other four towers, including 7WTC, have a typical floor height of 13'6".

[Plokoon11]

Maybe they did it to get to the height of the twin towers.

[CoolCzech]

I do like the FT, but I'll always miss that "Venetian" facade the old towers shared - shades of this:http://lh5.ggpht.com/_U9bD5DFQEDI/S5Lt4PymugI/AAAAAAAABEE/QmfxoySWjK0/Slide0283.JPG

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I kind of wish the FT's base was distinctive in this way, instead of sharing the "fortified" look with 7WTC. Hopefully, the prismatic glass will be an improvement.

[Obey]

For me the likability of this tower relies on the base. It's gotta be drop dead gorgeous.

[Patapsco]

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[2-TOWERS]

str those renders are so real.... and yes the old facade was simply a one of a kind.....for 70's looking buildings they were amazing, and never can be replaced...we have beauty now and elegance and this new towers will fill in the shoes...

[CRE8IVEDESTRUCTION]

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[jsr]

ask and ye' shall receive

today

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I sort of like how the light reflecting off the corners of the building give those edges a "softer" look.

[CRE8IVEDESTRUCTION]

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[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

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[STR]

^Well...technically, that one was completed first, so...

[Zapatan]

yea the torre de cristal does resemble 1WTC a lot from that angle.. and it looks awesome, except the WTC will be way taller (1370 feet vs 820 ft) even without the spire. :D

[STR]

I do like the FT, but I'll always miss that "Venetian" facade the old towers shared - shades of this:

Yeah, the SOM 1WTC is clean and futuristic, but the Yamasaki towers were that unique, quirky, semi organic/partially zen/structurally expressive/monumental combination that no building of that era quite matched. A quick look would deem them banal, but it was anything but that. Ill conceived? Sure. Oversized? Definitely. Just not uncreative.

Anyone thinking that the new buildings won't be overwhelming is in for a surprise. This World Trade Center is bigger and denser than the last one. The guiding hand of a master planner given way to five huge buildings struggling to be noticed in a sea of glass and a crowd of people. It is, in a way, the antithesis of the original plan, but will serve to fulfill essentially the same program.

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New Tower 1368 to parapet. Old Tower: 1362 to Parapet, 1368'7 to roof peak, which rounds out to the tower actually being 1,369 feet tall. Interesting.
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[uaarkson]

:previous: Reflecting the old in the facade of the new. That's art.

[animatedmartian]

That's seems pretty eerie to me. Like a ghost in the back of a photo. :uhh:

[STR]

Is it less weird with 3 buildings in frame?
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Not sure what's going on in the lower left corner of 1WTC, but it's a test shot, so quality settings are lower. so whatever.
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[twintowersII-2011]

incredible to see 3 giants standing next to each other the willis tower the former wtc north tower and the new one world trade center you can clearly see that the north tower was taller than the sout tower because you see that one floor is taller than the other floors in the tower

[hunser]

a bit old, but still a great shot:

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[HomrQT]

Is it less weird with 3 buildings in frame?
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Not sure what's going on in the lower left corner of 1WTC, but it's a test shot, so quality settings are lower. so whatever.
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TOO... AWESOME...!!!!!!!!!!!!
:worship::worship::worship::worship:

[JDRCRASH]

Not sure what's going on in the lower left corner of 1WTC, but it's a test shot, so quality settings are lower. so whatever.

There's also a hard-to-see sliver of that same affect on the lower right corner of the tower, on the side facing New WTC1 .

But still INCREDIBLE!:D

[george]

Thanks for the renderings STR. You're work has brought a unique vision to this thread. It's good to see the Sears Tower stacked up shoulder to shoulder with the old & new WTC.

[Traynor]

Anyone thinking that the new buildings won't be overwhelming is in for a surprise.

I disagree with this sentiment.

The mirror effect and blueness of all the glass of the new towers will visually make them blend into the sky more. Despite the knowledge that the new 1WTC and 2WTC will be huge, psychologically they will blend more with their surroundings, diminishing their impact.

The facade of the original twins (with the narrow 18 inch windows and vertical lines, with almost no discernible horizontal spacing) transcended the human scale and made the towers appear as shiny solid steel on a blue sky.

The fact that the originals reflected none of their surroundings made them visually dominate any view they were in and appear larger then they were.

[Obey]

^^^ I totally agree with that but 1WTC will still be very big but the old WTC appeared even bigger.

[Zensteeldude]

Great stuff STR !!!!!!!!!!!

But you still don't have any antennas on the top communications ring.

<Zen runs and hides behind the Mrs.>

[FrancoRey]

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The cladding on this building is SUPERB! It's so great to see a building that has its glass exterior add to its beauty rather than decimate it. So many buildings, especially in Asia, have had their designs ruined because of sub-par cladding. Well done, 1 WTC! :tup:

[nycdagreatest]

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[brian.odonnell20]

when do you guys think that this project will get more national publicity? I know its on fox with that weekly segment, but when are Discovery channel and major broadcast networks going to have detailed specials and other things like that? the tenth anniversary? Its really starting to become quite imposing for the hole in the ground that most people think it is.

[NYCLuver]

March 15th, 2011

(BTW, My foot has healed yay! :cheers: )

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[nycdagreatest]

:previous:Great, all the corner nodes have been placed. Now they could finally start decking out the 57 and 58th floor

[STR]

Great stuff STR !!!!!!!!!!!

But you still don't have any antennas on the top communications ring.

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Meh. Maybe I'll get around to it sometime this weekend. After looking at my reference photos of the Yamasaki building, I think the top ring will fill up with whip antennas long before the two levels of directional dishes will.

[Zensteeldude]

T-Mobile is doing alot of expansion work in the Tri-State area. Maybe you could throw a few cell antennas up there too. (I have no idea if the top of the tower is a suitable place for cell antennas or not.)

(The prints actually show mostly whip antennas up there with some dome antennas.)

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[sw5710]

Looks like the decking for floors 57,58 is just about complete. The red supports for the cranes have also been lifted for the next jump.:yes:

[Onn]

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Great shots NCYLuver! (Glad to hear about the foot, too!)

And the cladding is looking great, the blue is very vibrant. :tup:

[CoolCzech]

when do you guys think that this project will get more national publicity? I know its on fox with that weekly segment, but when are Discovery channel and major broadcast networks going to have detailed specials and other things like that? the tenth anniversary? Its really starting to become quite imposing for the hole in the ground that most people think it is.

I'm sure that once the tower is topped out and fully glazed it will be the building in the backdrop behind every televised talking head speaking from New York.

[STR]

T-Mobile is doing alot of expansion work in the Tri-State area. Maybe you could throw a few cell antennas up there too. (I have no idea if the top of the tower is a suitable place for cell antennas or not.

With NYC's density? That would be the single most congested cell site on the planet. Unless you're in the middle of the sticks, you don't want a cell site that big, and even in rural areas, you're going outside of spec, meaning you'd have to run the transceivers above their normal power. A cell company is more likely to be interested in hiding a cell behind the prismatic glass in the base, between the glass panels and the metal grating.

[Zensteeldude]

:previous:You confirmed my suspicions.

All the expansion T-Mobile sites are low rise (50 to 80 feet above grade)

[patriotizzy]

March 15th, 2011

(BTW, My foot has healed yay! :cheers: )



Let us see an update on your foot. Ha jk.

[NYCLuver]

Let us see an update on your foot. Ha jk.

Haha nothing to see but a foot, I had tendonitis in my foot so it caused me pain to put pressure on it at all.

I'm glad that 1WTC is beginning to make an impact from different places around the city now, can't wait till it breaks through the 750ft barrier and reaches ever higher! :D

[animatedmartian]

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^This is a good 20(by driving) 12 miles away in Queens.

Only a matter of time. :cool:

[NYYskyline]

Nice to see the shots from Queens

[Don098]

Has the earthcam been stuck on a night shot for everyone else?

[newhannibal]

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[JACKinBeantown]

Nice long exposure. Great angle too... you get 1WTC, Beekman and (still my favorite) the Woolworth.

[jthornton17]

I can't get an answer on the wtc 2 site from anyone. So does anyone know if wtc2 is a full go or is it still up in the air? Asking this I mean current status. Not from a year ago.

[JSsocal]

^^^It is not 'up in the air', they know exactly what they are doing. They are building to street level. There has been no report or article to suggest otherwise. The only way this would change was if a major tenant would sign, and even then tower 3 is the more likely choice right now, which similarly still does not have financing. There is still a long time until it reaches street level, so a lot can change, but it hasn't yet.

[MadGnome]

With NYC's density? That would be the single most congested cell site on the planet. Unless you're in the middle of the sticks, you don't want a cell site that big, and even in rural areas, you're going outside of spec, meaning you'd have to run the transceivers above their normal power. A cell company is more likely to be interested in hiding a cell behind the prismatic glass in the base, between the glass panels and the metal grating.

The big problem with cell signals is blockage. You don't need the antennas on the highest point in the city for range. You need them there to get over the other buildings. Antennas down low wouldn't reliably reach very far.
The newer 4g LTE systems will also have much larger cells than the old stuff. One site will be able to cover up to 2,000 square miles.
A lot of those high antennas will be for point to point links too. You'll have line of site to the tallest buildings in other cities up to 100 miles away.
Those short sites are usually for covering dead areas the main sites can't reach because of terrain or skylines. People picture cell coverage areas as neat little cells, but it's really much more chaotic. You're just as likely to be talking to a site 5 miles away as one 1 mile away in a tall city because of the unpredictable signal propagation.

[brian.odonnell20]

this is going to be more than twice as tall as the beekman.

[Don098]

this is going to be more than twice as tall as the beekman.
Well, in actuality it might close-ish, but from that angle, it's barely going to clear the top of New York by Gehry.

[rjb001]

I think it's funny how during the Depression, the ESB, Chrysler, and 30 Rock all went up and took no longer than a year and a half each. Yet, when we are presently in less of a recession, it's going to take till 2018 for 5 buildings to go up! And just to further my point, it took about 5 whole years for Trump, Chicago to be fully built! I find that very odd, especially in this age of modern construction. Although, I guess some of the speed difference is due to all the spending the government was doing during the Depression and construction provided a good way to get people jobs. Is that why there's such a big time difference??

[JDRCRASH]

I think it's funny how during the Depression, the ESB, Chrysler, and 30 Rock all went up and took no longer than a year and a half each. Yet, when we are presently in less of a recession, it's going to take till 2018 for 5 buildings to go up! And just to further my point, it took about 5 whole years for Trump, Chicago to be fully built! I find that very odd, especially in this age of modern construction. Although, I guess some of the speed difference is due to all the spending the government was doing during the Depression and construction provided a good way to get people jobs. Is that why there's such a big time difference??

To be honest, I think it was the time period. I mean, people were FAR more industrious back then, and were highly ambitious. They not only thought big, but were determined to meet their goals. The sky was the limit, and in this particular case, almost literally. And vast revolutions in technology helped them achieve those goals during the Depression. That, and I also think New York, and America really in general, was younger, and was considered the dominant center of the world economy.

But today, life is much different. People are more lazier, with increasingly more jobs are done by machines. There is a lot more economic balance throughout the world now, and America is no longer the supreme power it used to be.

Not sure if this has much to do with it, but it's kind of my opinion.

[STR]

The big problem with cell signals is blockage. You don't need the antennas on the highest point in the city for range. You need them there to get over the other buildings. Antennas down low wouldn't reliably reach very far.
The newer 4g LTE systems will also have much larger cells than the old stuff. One site will be able to cover up to 2,000 square miles.
A lot of those high antennas will be for point to point links too. You'll have line of site to the tallest buildings in other cities up to 100 miles away.
Those short sites are usually for covering dead areas the main sites can't reach because of terrain or skylines. People picture cell coverage areas as neat little cells, but it's really much more chaotic. You're just as likely to be talking to a site 5 miles away as one 1 mile away in a tall city because of the unpredictable signal propagation.

Few points:
1) A cell site isn't the same thing as a point-to-point broadcast. I'm not sure what your point is in bringing that up.
2) LTE or not, you're not going to have a 2,000 square mile cell site in Manhattan. Not nearly enough bandwidth for that kind of coverage given that people are paying for 4G equipment to get 4G speeds. Given the fact that this will be one of the most tourist packed parts of the city, I doubt they even want to blanket the entire WTC with a single cell. They'll, in fact, try to use the blocking effect of nearby buildings to compartmentalize the area to allow for maximum throughput.
3) LTE isn't the reason why the new cell sites are going to be larger. It's because they're going to be running LTE on 700MHz spectrum, which has better penetration and propagation characteristics than PCS, AWS and even a little better than 850MHz.

Given 1-3, I stand by my statement that no one is going to want to use the top of this building as cell site. It's just simply too tall. However, I will fully concede that it is incredibly attractive as a point-to-point hub, especially given that a decent amount of fiber goes into the Verizon building just 40 feet away on the other side of Vesey. I can imagine the array of dishes pointing out to Connecticut feeding hedge funds market data. As a cell site, directly connecting to consumer handsets, the base is the more attractive location.

[uaarkson]

I think it's funny how during the Depression, the ESB, Chrysler, and 30 Rock all went up and took no longer than a year and a half each. Yet, when we are presently in less of a recession, it's going to take till 2018 for 5 buildings to go up! And just to further my point, it took about 5 whole years for Trump, Chicago to be fully built! I find that very odd, especially in this age of modern construction. Although, I guess some of the speed difference is due to all the spending the government was doing during the Depression and construction provided a good way to get people jobs. Is that why there's such a big time difference??

Different times, different scenarios. There are basically 5 supertalls going up in NYC right now, with more almost definitely on the way.

Also, Trump Chicago was built in 3 years, not 5.

[MadGnome]

Umm...OK. I'll start removing the cells sites I've been installing. Thanks for correcting my mistakes.
And by the way, what 700mhz doesn't have is good reflection characteristics, and reflected signals are 90% of what your phone picks up in the city.

[bunky]

10th row of glass going up. Progress may be slow and erratic today due to St. Patrick's day. :cheers:

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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[Obey]

10th row of glass going up. Progress may be slow and erratic today due to St. Patrick's day. :cheers:

Doubt it. But...:cheers:

[STR]

Umm...OK. I'll start removing the cells sites I've been installing. Thanks for correcting my mistakes.
And by the way, what 700mhz doesn't have is good reflection characteristics, and reflected signals are 90% of what your phone picks up in the city.

You're telling me your employer has had you put cell sites on top of the Empire State Building? Didn't think so. And yes, if a wavelength has better penetration ability, naturally it will have worse reflective characteristics. You can't bounce off of and go through something at the same time.

Don't get upset because I'm not going for the "I'm an expert, so you should just believe what I say at face value." Give proof or make an argument supporting your side. I can't see your diploma from here, nor your employee ID and work schedule. You don't know what my background is. It IS the internet after all, people say all sorts of things. Given that, I stand by my statement: the top of this building is less attractive for a cell site than the bottom. If you have a case where that isn't true, I'll bow to the proof, if such proof exists. My own telecom experience says otherwise.

In any case, cheers. :cheers:

I think it's funny how during the Depression, the ESB, Chrysler, and 30 Rock all went up and took no longer than a year and a half each. Yet, when we are presently in less of a recession, it's going to take till 2018 for 5 buildings to go up! ... Although, I guess some of the speed difference is due to all the spending the government was doing during the Depression and construction provided a good way to get people jobs. Is that why there's such a big time difference??

Quite a few people also died during the construction of the depression era buildings (except, I think, Chrysler, but don't quote me). Cheaper labor and lax safety standards meant more people crawling over the building getting more work done and occasionally getting maimed or dying in the process. The government wasn't directly involved in any of those projects. ESB, Chrysler and Rockefeller Center were all privately financed by a private equity group, a billionaire (Chrsyler was built by the man, not the company), and a family of billionaires respectively.

Sidenote: the only person to die during the original WTC construction was a worker that stumbled back on to the site after hours and drunkenly walked right off the edge of the ground-level floor into the basement levels.

[brian.odonnell20]

I think it's funny how during the Depression, the ESB, Chrysler, and 30 Rock all went up and took no longer than a year and a half each. Yet, when we are presently in less of a recession, it's going to take till 2018 for 5 buildings to go up! And just to further my point, it took about 5 whole years for Trump, Chicago to be fully built! I find that very odd, especially in this age of modern construction. Although, I guess some of the speed difference is due to all the spending the government was doing during the Depression and construction provided a good way to get people jobs. Is that why there's such a big time difference??

Also, the current WTC buildings are much safer and stronger than anything built during the depression, meaning they take longer to build. Remember that all of these towers are over-engineered and overbuilt so they can withstand any kind of terrorist attack, meaning up to 2 normal towers worth of materials could go into one. And, in addition to that, everything is being built within the constraining parameters of city infrastructure (the site is essentially being built on a train station), and the countless more laws and regulations that, while sacrificing speed and efficiency, make the labor safer and the building more sustainable.

[STR]

No modern skyscraper is as overbuilt as the Empire State. They could literally add 30 floors to that building (and there was a plan to do so back in the late 70's) and still stay well within margins.

[CoolCzech]

No modern skyscraper is as overbuilt as the Empire State. They could literally add 30 floors to that building (and there was a plan to do so back in the late 70's) and still stay well within margins.

Well thank God THAT never happened. Can you just imagine? :slob:

[STR]

^No need to imagine. Check the ESB thread. It's all in there. When you're done going "WTF is that?" leave a comment. :)

[NYCLuver]

March 17th, 2011

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[Kevin Scott Koepke]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5536793734_e509070d1a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5536793734/)
the rising giant. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5536793734/) by ksk photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

[MadGnome]

Sorry STR. Didn't mean to let my kindergarten side out there. I have zero knowledge of the plan for this building, but some general knowledge of the plans for future LTE deployment.

The penetration charachteristics of 700 mhz compared to 1.8 ghz isn't that much different. For many materials, the higher frequencies penetrate better. The bigger difference is from 700mhz refracting better, or getting around objects. The array on WTC1 looks exactly like I'd expect it to look like if they were using it for LTE. The plan is many phased array type spot beams with sharp cutoffs from great height, to allow for frequency reuse. The Tokyo Sky Tree (which topped out at 634 meters today) is a good example of going from low altitude, tiny cells to a more centrally based system. With active antennas you can create small cells from a central location instead of having to deploy hundreds of sites all over the place.
No frequency is going to penetrate buildings well enough to allow someplace like Manhattan to have reliable coverage. You can use low altitude antennas with 1.8ghz because you get so many multiple carriers bouncing off the buildings you can almost always pick one up. Extracting a usefull signal from that mess is the most impressive piece of signal processing I've ever seen. Makes you ashamed to use the word "algorithm" for your little pet projects.
Can't say I've ever done anything on the ESB but look at the city.
I'd really like to know what's going to be inside those units on the WTC1 rings. If you do the numbers, you realize how big they're really going to be. There could be dozens of antennas in each one.

Too much rambling. The stuff STR does here is worth 1,000 times as much as my meanderings to this forum, and I don't want to act like I'm competing or something.

[patriotizzy]

March 17th, 2011

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More great pictures. I especially like the layering in this one :tup:

[TwinTowersForever]

March 17th, 2010
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March 16th, 2011
From ESB

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From Street

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Brooklyn Bridge
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P.S. What are the yellow looking crane things on top of it now?

[At0m1CSn0w]

Hey all. New guy here...
:previous::previous: Wow! Lots of progess this year. :banana:

[Big Towers]

Hello guys, I got more renderings and models of the structural and steel frame of the One World Trade Center. The following renderings and models show the metal and steel that is currently being installed on the 57th, 58th, and 59th floors.

Since the blue cocoon wrap is obstructing the view of the steel frame behind, I hope these will create an image in your head of what it looks like:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g467/WTCConstruction/FREEDOMTOWERSTRUCTURAL1.jpg

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The image below is a model representing what the 59th floor looks like right now, as construction workers are installing the steel.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g467/WTCConstruction/FREEDOMTOWERSTRUCTURAL5.jpg

The following images show the curtain wall glass on the 57th, 58th, and 59th floor. Since the glass installation hasn't reached these floors yet, these models will give an idea of what it should look like:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g467/WTCConstruction/FREEDOMTOWERSTRUCTURALGLASS1.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g467/WTCConstruction/FREEDOMTOWERSTRUCTURALGLASS2.jpg

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[Domamania]

I must say within 6 more floors Tower 1 will really make the New York skyline look different. like when it reaches 800 feet and taller, it will be able to be see through out the whole NYC and the immediate tri state area. Would any of you agree?

[Big Towers]

Yes, but in depends on the angle you're looking at it. For example, if your looking from the Northeast, the 1WTC will be blocked by the 7WTC.

I'd say once the tower reaches the 70th floor, then you'll see some changes in the skyline. Notice I said "some", because in order to fully change the skyline, we need Towers 2, 3 and 4 to be higher than the surrounding buildings, which won't be for about 2 or 3 years.

[Traynor]

If I am not mistaken, the highest corner nodes are even "Node-ier" and appear wider at the top, because that is the level where a new stack of slanted columns start on the sloping sides.

(Not using any technical terms, obviously.)

[CRE8IVEDESTRUCTION]

I like how One World Trade Center looks all lit up at night


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[CRE8IVEDESTRUCTION]

Taken on Tuesday

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[Zensteeldude]

Hello guys, I got more renderings and models of the structural and steel frame of the One World Trade Center. The following renderings and models show the metal and steel that is currently being installed on the 57th, 58th, and 59th floors.

Since the blue cocoon wrap is obstructing the view of the steel frame behind, I hope these will create an image in your head of what it looks like:


The image below is a model representing what the 59th floor looks like right now, as construction workers are installing the steel.


The following images show the curtain wall glass on the 57th, 58th, and 59th floor. Since the glass installation hasn't reached these floors yet, these models will give an idea of what it should look like:



Just a silly question, where did you get the info to build those models from ?

Not to be rude, but they are all wrong ! Please DO NOT GUESS, (unless you have a DS) then you would only be mostly wrong.)

If I am not mistaken, the highest corner nodes are even "Node-ier" and appear wider at the top, because that is the level where a new stack of slanted columns start on the sloping sides.

(Not using any technical terms, obviously.)

LOL, you are correct, they are wider at the top. They are constructed from solid steel plate and are over twice as wide at the top.

DS=Doctorate of Science

[Big Towers]

To Zensteeldude, I have a friend who works on the Seven World Trade Center on one of the top floors.

Before the 1WTC reached his floor, he took pictures of the 1WTC from his office above and sent them to me. The pictures show the steel as well as a side view that I can clearly see through the blue cocoon wrap. Unfortunately, he wouldn't post them here, so I decided to make a model with the pictures he sent.

By the way, I have worked for 5 years on a small architectural firm (not an architect), that specializes in architectural renderings for buildings. Me, along with my team, have made roughly hundreds of renderings on hundreds of different buildings.

BTW, how do you think the best architects and engineers coordinate their projects? "Guessing" is pretty much all there is to renderings of future buildings. I mean, how do you think those renderers and architects who provided wtc.com their renderings?? They "guess" everything via provided facts from architects and planners. Thus, they take the time to model a "preview" on how the finished lobby or building is going to look like. Of course, those renderings on wtc.com might not look
100% exactly how it looks in the finished built building, but it gives a "preview" of the final product.

In my case, I'm "previewing" the steel beams and office floors from the 14 photos provided by my friend who works on the 7WTC.

[The Grand Architect]

Yeah I agree with big towers, I mean, you don't have anything to work with when you're making renderings of building that hasn't been built yet... Only measurements and dimensions and the word of mouth from architects.

[animatedmartian]

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[Don098]

To Zensteeldude"Guessing" is pretty much all there is to renderings of future buildings. I mean, how do you think those renderers and architects who provided wtc.com their renderings?? They "guess" everything via provided facts from architects and planners.

If you have the actual blueprints, it's much easier - and Zen has them. Zen, would you care to re-post the picture of these plans that you keep in your gun safe?

[JACKinBeantown]

Let the news circus begin. From the AP...

At ground zero, the future finally appears

Mar 19, 11:50 AM (ET)
By DAVID B. CARUSO

NEW YORK (AP) - The noise at ground zero is a steady roar. Engines hum. Cement mixers churn. Air horns blast. Cranes, including one that looks like a giant crab leg, soar and crawl over every corner of the 16-acre site.

For years, the future has been slow to appear at the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. But with six months remaining until the national 9/11 memorial opens, the work to turn a mountain of rubble into some of the inspiring moments envisioned nearly a decade ago is thundering forward.

One World Trade Center, otherwise known as the Freedom Tower, has joined the Manhattan skyline. Its steel frame, already clad in glass on lower floors, now stands 58 stories tall and is starting to inch above many of the skyscrapers that ring the site. A new floor is being added every week.

The mammoth black-granite fountains and reflecting pools that mark the footprints of the fallen twin towers are largely finished, and they are a spectacle. Workers have already begun testing the waterfalls that will ultimately cascade into a void in the center of each square pit. The plaza that surrounds them has the potential to be one of the city's awesome public spaces once construction is complete. Some 150 trees have already been planted in the plaza deck, even as workers continue to build it.

The memorial plaza won't be complete when it opens on Sept. 11, 2011, and a tour of the site last week makes clear that work around it will continue for years. Mud is still plentiful at ground level, and for now the site is dominated by the same concrete-gray shades that blanketed lower Manhattan after the 9/11 attacks.

But the agency that owned the trade center and has spent nearly a decade rebuilding it is aiming to deliver a memorial experience on 9/11/11 that closes one chapter - marked by mourning - and ushers in a new experience, where ground zero again becomes part of the city's everyday fabric.

"We want people to be able to see that downtown does have this incredible future to it," said Chris Ward, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "The work will not be done on that day. What we hope will be done is the sense of frustration."

For now, the complexity and scale of the construction is evident in every corner.

Workers labor around the clock. During the busiest shifts, around 2,800 people - mostly men - labor amid tangles and ravines of steel. In one steel cavern that will become a transit hub concourse, showers of orange sparks fly as welders install trusses weighing up to 50 tons.

From the top of One World Trade, the view is spectacular, as it was from the twin towers, even though the building stands at 680 feet, less than halfway to its planned 1,776-foot height. Visitors to the upper floors can see the grand sweep of the Hudson River and New York Harbor, dotted with container ships, all the way to Sandy Hook at the northern tip of the Jersey Shore. People at ground level can now see the tower, too, from a growing number of places in the city and across the river in New Jersey.

High in the tower, safety is a big concern. There is netting everywhere to keep pieces of this or that from falling into the void below.

On the 29th floor, men preparing to install window glass last week were tethered to the building by safety cables as they worked near the ledge. Even their hard hats were attached by a safety line, in case they were knocked over the side. A yellow line, painted on the concrete deck, marked how close workers are allowed to stand without wearing a safety harness.

The building's glass curtain wall now rises to the 27th floor. After initial slow progress, the crews are getting better and faster at getting each pane in place, while managing wind that pushes each big sheet around like a sail. By Sept. 11, the building is expected to be 80 stories high, making it the tallest tower downtown.

A huge portion of the reconstruction of the trade center is taking place below ground. The underground halls that house the memorial are cavernous, and in their unfinished state look like some unexplored temple in an Indiana Jones movie.

The 60-foot-high slurry wall of reinforced concrete on the western edge of the site, meant to hold back the Hudson River, is two-thirds taller than Fenway Park's left field fence, and bears similarities in size and appearance to the Western Wall in Jerusalem.

The huge boxes that hold the waterfall pits visible from the surface are somehow suspended from the ceiling, held up by pillars that don't seem big enough to support the blocks' massive weight.

A maze of tunnels, catwalks and narrow, temporary staircases connect the various underground levels.

The complexity of the project is evident everywhere, but the choreography involved in keeping the place going is best demonstrated by the engineering feats that have been performed to prevent construction from disrupting the city's subway system.

The tunnel holding Manhattan's No. 1 subway tracks was buried beneath a mountain of rubble after the attacks. The tube now runs right through the middle of the site, hurdling thousands of passengers through ground zero every day.

To rebuild, work crews needed to excavate nearly 100 feet down below it, but rather than reroute service and demolish the tunnel, they merely propped it up on huge pilings and dug beneath it. The tracks, still encased in their old concrete tube, now sit suspended in mid-air as work takes place below, above and on either side.

Ward said he hoped people will be able to see in six months that, despite the ongoing construction, the site's days as a disaster zone are ending.

"It will be a place where you meet a friend for lunch. Where you meet a date. Where you race across the plaza and beneath the trees to get out of the rain," he said. "We want New Yorkers to make their own narrative there."

[Big Towers]

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[Big Towers]

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Jersey City is no longer visible.

Glad to see the central core of the 2WTC rising!

[Zensteeldude]

None of the architects I ever met guessed, they used the prints.

(Sketchup model based on the structural drawings.)
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Don098, you mean these ?:)
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The thick one in the middle is the architectural drawings, the rest are structural and MEP.

[Domamania]

None of the architects I ever met guessed, they used the prints.

(Sketchup model based on the structural drawings.)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5100759020_bd3ea287c9_b.jpg

Don098, you mean these ?:)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4933900210_128fe27f60_z.jpg

The thick one in the middle is the architectural drawings, the rest are structural and MEP.

Zen, a couple of quick questions. Why do you keep your copy of the prints of Tower 1 WTC in a "Gun Safe" ? Why dont the people that gave you the print dont allow you to share them with others? Just food for thought.

[Big Towers]

Zen, I'm not an architect. I work on a designing team FOR an architect. Our team basically works with architects and provide solutions by means of graphics and renderings.

[Big Towers]

Zen, a couple of quick questions. Why do you keep your copy of the prints of Tower 1 WTC in a "Gun Safe" ? Why dont the people that gave you the print dont allow you to share them with others? Just food for thought.

It's because of fear it might fall in the wrong hands. These prints contain plans that will aid terrorists/people in planning attacks. Let's just keep it at that.

[Zensteeldude]

Zen, a couple of quick questions. Why do you keep your copy of the prints of Tower 1 WTC in a "Gun Safe" ? Why dont the people that gave you the print dont allow you to share them with others? Just food for thought.

Security, security, and more security. I keep them in my gun safe because they should have been destroyed about a year ago.

They don't hand out these prints to just anyone, and the people that do get the prints must have a very good reason for having them and sign a copy of the non-disclosure agreement.

A gun safe is where weapons are stored to prevent there theft or mis-use. I keep the prints on a shelf in the gun safe just above the 13.2mm model 1917 anti-tank rifle my grandfather brought back from WW1. ( I also own a number of other firearms such as a H&K G3KA4 and a Winchester .308 hunting rifle.)
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[CoolCzech]

Security, security, and more security. I keep them in my gun safe because they should have been destroyed about a year ago.

They don't hand out these prints to just anyone, and the people that do get the prints must have a very good reason for having them and sign a copy of the non-disclosure agreement.

A gun safe is where weapons are stored to prevent there theft or mis-use. I keep the prints on a shelf in the gun safe just above the 13.2mm model 1917 anti-tank rifle my grandfather brought back from WW1. ( I also own a number of other firearms such as a H&K G3KA4 and a Winchester .308 hunting rifle.)
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If your job depends on having destroyed those plans you decided instead to keep... you might consider not advertising the fact you have them on the Internet. It might not be that hard for your employers to figure out who zen is...

[Zensteeldude]

I am my employer and it's all good. I am keeping to the agreement and even exceeding it.

[eMKay]

I was there Thursday, took a few closeup pics...

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[Surrealplaces]

This tower is looking good. Can't wait to see it in person in a few months.

[MadGnome]

I am my employer and it's all good. I am keeping to the agreement and even exceeding it.

Maybe, but you should probably give yourself written permission just to be safe.