NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[sw5710]

Just looking at the size of a person on that floor shows how large that entire floor area is including the core in comparison.

[NYCLuver]

November 24th, 2010

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[STR]

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[Aleks]

okay, now i really do have doubts on the glass...

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

okay, now i really do have doubts on the glass...
oh who cares at this point,so where you take pictures from some angles its distorted so what? when your in front of it its either reflective or transparent. the important thing is that its being cladded.

[Aleks]

you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.

even so i doubt the masses can even tell the difference between distorted and reflective glass. and like ive said it doesn't look this distorted in person.

[sw5710]

Not knowing anything about glass quality myself. I was wondering if there is a protective film or plastic on the glass. Yet to be removed?.

[STR]

not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us.

No offense taken. I could actually, and fairly easily, drop in a texture that would simulate the wavy reflections. I might mess around with that sometime.

However, is the glass REALLY any worse than 7 World Trade? Its reflections don't seem mirror perfect either.

[RLS_rls]

Is it so much the wall panels/glass itself or is it the placement of it? Like the way it's attached to the wall might create warping in the panel right? Don't they do tests on structures before the actual facade goes up to know how to put it up? This could just be some testing for now, or is it the actual finished product?

[Don098]

Is it so much the wall panels/glass itself or is it the placement of it? Like the way it's attached to the wall might create warping in the panel right? Don't they do tests on structures before the actual facade goes up to know how to put it up? This could just be some testing for now, or is it the actual finished product?

That is THE glass.

[JoePDX]

you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.

So if it IS distorted is this just in an effort to cut costs or is it a quality issue? Did they pay "top dollar" and get inferior product or did they just say "WTF, we need to get this up cheaper and faster just give us anything".

[Zensteeldude]

After looking at the pics that NYCLuver posted (great pics BTW!) I am of the opinion that there is a plastic film on the glass.

I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/09/nyregion/09freedom-650.jpg

Notice the near mirror quality reflections in the glass of the testing mock up.

[NYguy]

I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.

That should go without saying, but it never does in these forums, where patience is unheard of.


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[Dac150]

I wouldn’t be so quick to pass judgments on the glass; I mean how could you possibly at this point?

[Obey]

you don't apparently? i've worked with camera's before, for many years, and i can tell you that's not the camera's fault. the glass is distorted.

and when are people gonna get the chance to be in front of it? the only people who will work in buildings downtown and will most likely never upload any pictures to the net.

but i'm sorry i hoped for high-quality glass for such a high-quality complex. it really bugs me when they make renderings all nice and slick when that's not the case! don't give us false hope! not directed towards str btw, but to the officials who lied to us. shame, it would've made one of the world's finest modern-high-rise glass facades.

If you go in person (which I have) it isn't distorted at all. And I am pretty sure there is some plastic covering on the supposed 'distorted' glass. You know when you get a new phone or something there is plastic on the glass to protect the screen? Same thing.

[hunser]

Rise of Freedom: Reflecting Absence

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-of-freedom/index.html

i think this weekend they will probably talk about the glass...

[Onn]

Distortion or not, the glass looks fine to me. I don't think anyone will take any notice of it either way.

[Zensteeldude]

I went and looked at the prints and I think I know exactly why they are leaving out every other glass panel. The facad mantinance track. It runs vertically between the glass panels and is part of the frame holding the glass.

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Happy Thanksgiving everyone, I think I'm needed in the kitchen, the Mrs. just gave me "The Look", not the good one.

[Plokoon11]

Happy Thanksgiving as well, I am thankful that the WTC has made excellent progress!

[RKOwens44]

At 586' 8" tall, One World Trade Center is now taller than the 577' tall One World Financial Center! :)

[NYCLuver]

Well you can't really tell if there is plastic on the glass or not haha. We'll just have to wait and see. :)

But if you all think it possibly could be my camera, it is near to Christmas, I would love a new camera, wanna chip in and buy me one? :cheers::jester:

[CoolCzech]

Happy Thanksgiving, NY Guy! You too, Dac150, Lecom, and all of the commenters I've read & responded to over the years. Seems like we lost some along the way... JMGarcia, where ya at, guy? Happy Thanksgiving to you, too.

[Traynor]

Rise of Freedom: Reflecting Absence

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-of-freedom/index.html

i think this weekend they will probably talk about the glass...

Please look carefully at the picture in this video at time index 1:48. The old 7 WTC is clearly visible. Why did Fox news "doctor" an old photo to digitally remove the old WTC 1 and 2 and forget to remove 7 WTC? Could they not have found a picture post 9/11 without resorting to fakery?

[jackster99]

Hey guys this is my very first post and I figured what better thread to do it on then One World Trade. First of all I just want to wish every american on here a happy thanksgiving. I live in canada and I sure could use that 4 day weekend right about now haha. Secondly of all im going to New York on january 13th-16th and I am very excited to see this beauty in person, which leads me to my question: around the middle of January when I will be in the city, do you guys think the building might be around 700 ft by then? It seems plausible to me, but I would like some second opinions and predictions.

Thanks

[jackster99]

Sorry guys I just saw a previous post stating that the building is now 586 ft. Now 700 ft seems a little unlikely, even give the amazingly fats current rate. So let me change the question: maybe 650 ft? It will be nice to see it getting so close in height to goldman sachs and 7 WTC

[RKOwens44]

Please look carefully at the picture in this video at time index 1:48. The old 7 WTC is clearly visible. Why did Fox news "doctor" an old photo to digitally remove the old WTC 1 and 2 and forget to remove 7 WTC? Could they not have found a picture post 9/11 without resorting to fakery?

That is clearly the new 7WTC seen in that picture (not the old one). Notice how it's taller and thinner than the old 7WTC seen in the previous photo with the Twin Towers. I've been to and inside of the new 7WTC many times and I can tell you without question that it's the new 7WTC. You can also tell just by looking at the shape of the 7WTC. This isn't a forum for conspiracy theories anyway.

[RKOwens44]

Sorry guys I just saw a previous post stating that the building is now 586 ft. Now 700 ft seems a little unlikely, even give the amazingly fats current rate. So let me change the question: maybe 650 ft? It will be nice to see it getting so close in height to goldman sachs and 7 WTC

If you want a very reliable prediction of what height the building will be on a certain date, just remember the fact that the building grows in height 2 floors every two weeks. Each floor is 13' 4". And so just calculate the number of weeks between now and the given date, multiply that number by 13.33 feet, and add that number on top of its current height of 587 feet.

For example, by the end of this year 2010, the building will be about 640' tall. It will surpass 7WTC and Goldman Sachs in the third week of February. On 9/11/11, the building will be 1,120 feet tall. And if the rate goes at exactly a floor a week until completion, the building will top out in the first or second week of January 2012.

[Traynor]

That is clearly the new 7WTC seen in that picture (not the old one). Notice how it's taller and thinner than the old 7WTC seen in the previous photo with the Twin Towers. I've been to and inside of the new 7WTC many times and I can tell you without question that it's the new 7WTC. You can also tell just by looking at the shape of the 7WTC. This isn't a forum for conspiracy theories anyway.

I see the new hotel and the fact that the Deutsche Bank Building is also gone, so I will admit it must be a new image but 7WTC looked too wide to my eye, however I will defer to your self-professed expertise.

[onewiseman]

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1WTC makes an appearance with Kanye West on the "Big Apple" float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

[Obey]

I see the new hotel and the fact that the Deutsche Bank Building is also gone, so I will admit it must be a new image but 7WTC looked too wide to my eye, however I will defer to your self-professed expertise.

Why does this matter? :slob:

[Boss-ton]

I believe that because of the work that STR is putting into the models its my opinion that this is the highest quality thread of any building built yet. The Burj, bank of america, shard, beekman, nothing else has had a thread with this much quality material in it. Thank you STR and everyone else who contributes.

[Boss-ton]

After looking at the pics that NYCLuver posted (great pics BTW!) I am of the opinion that there is a plastic film on the glass.

I think we should be a bit more patient and hold off on final judgment until we are sure we are looking at the final product.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/09/nyregion/09freedom-650.jpg

Notice the near mirror quality reflections in the glass of the testing mock up.

I agree with you, the color of the mock up is a little less blue than whats on there now and the glass here has 0 distortions.

[STR]

^The color of glazed glass is influenced more by angle and the surroundings that by the coatings themselves. That's a late evening shot, so of course the color will be warmer.

[BigMac]

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[Onn]

I agree with you, the color of the mock up is a little less blue than whats on there now and the glass here has 0 distortions.

That's originally the color I figured the cladding was going to give off, a light blueish/green. That shot looks more like what they were originally aiming for than the stuff going up does. But it's important to remember the renderings have sort of changed over time. The original rendering made the cladding look very light and very reflective, but the latest renders seems to suggest the cladding being a much darker blue and possibly having distortion at certain angles. It's possible something in the design changed over time for one reason or another, the people that made these renders were obviously not looking at the same pieces of cladding.

Old:
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Any sort of plastic film over the top seems highly unlikely to me.

[NYguy]

Happy Thanksgiving, NY Guy! You too, Dac150, Lecom, and all of the commenters I've read & responded to over the years. Seems like we lost some along the way... JMGarcia, where ya at, guy? Happy Thanksgiving to you, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone as well. It's time for the annual Freedom Tower float appearance, but I see someone has already posted a clip...


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[STR]

That's originally the color I figured the cladding was going to give off, a light blueish/green. That shot looks more like what they were originally aiming for than the stuff going up does. But it's important to remember the renderings have sort of changed over time. The original rendering made the cladding look very light and very reflective, but the latest renders seems to suggest the cladding being a much darker blue and possibly having distortion at certain angles. It's possible something in the design changed over time for one reason or another, the people that made these renders were obviously not looking at the same pieces of cladding.

It was always supposed to resemble the glass on 7WTC, on ALL of the buildings, aside from a few special coatings used in small parts of 2 & 4. As for renders, it is INSANELY hard to get glass right in a virtual setting, so never, ever take them as anything other than rough attempts, mine included.

[Onn]

It was always supposed to resemble the glass on 7WTC, on ALL of the buildings, aside from a few special coatings used in small parts of 2 & 4. As for renders, it is INSANELY hard to get glass right in a virtual setting, so never, ever take them as anything other than rough attempts, mine included.

Well I'm talking about since we've seen the mock cladding for 1WTC, obviously the original plan for the towers is no longer in play after Silverstein brought in the starchitects to design. And although getting the glass right in any render is always hard, you would assume later renders would be more accurate in portrayal than earlier renders. So far that seems to be proving true (baring no secret protective film over the cladding).

[STR]

No, even with all the chefs in the kitchen, part of keeping things cohesive was keeping the materials common across all four buildings, with each architect having his own take on it. The only one that really deviated was Foster, with his original idea of a gradient ranging from the darker glass used in the notches to the common glass of the other buildings and that was cut.

And you're clearly not listening when I tell you renders are NOT a good guide of a final product. You aren't familiar with the process or the tools. You have no idea. I can have a piece of the stuff sitting right in front of me and can still get it completely wrong. Look at the completed projects section and tell me how many renders were spot on. I can recall maybe 2, and those guys have access to more specialized tools than I do, and have had actual training.

[Onn]

No, even with all the chefs in the kitchen, part of keeping things cohesive was keeping the materials common across all four buildings, with each architect having his own take on it. The only one that really deviated was Foster, with his original idea of a gradient ranging from the darker glass used in the notches to the common glass of the other buildings and that was cut.
It's really hard to see that, even Maki's tower might be similar in theory to 7 but is going to look completely different from all the others. I don't see much relation in tower 2 or 3, especially 3 with all that bracing on it. They might use similar materials but they are going to look nothing alike, probably not even the cladding because the rest of the towers are vastly different.

And you're clearly not listening when I tell you renders are NOT a good guide of a final product. You aren't familiar with the process or the tools. You have no idea. I can have a piece of the stuff sitting right in front of me and can still get it completely wrong. Look at the completed projects section and tell me how many renders were spot on. I can recall maybe 2, and those guys have access to more specialized tools than I do, and have had actual training.

Well yeah, I understand what you’re saying. But these are far more detailed renders than most out there, because this is the most high-profile project in the world today. It's not like these were just thrown together by a one man team or used some commercial level modeling software. These are the real deal. I would be inclined to believe the latest renders we have, they seem to look pretty on track with what I'm seeing (barring no secret protective film).

[STR]

It's really hard to see that, even Maki's tower might be similar in theory to 7 but is going to look completely different from all the others. I don't see much relation in tower 2 or 3, especially 3 with all that bracing on it. They might use similar materials but they are going to look nothing alike, probably not even the cladding because the rest of the towers are vastly different.

Well yeah, I understand what you’re saying. But these are far more detailed renders than most out there, because this is the most high-profile project in the world today. It's not like these were just thrown together by a one man team or used some commercial level modeling software. These are the real deal. I would be inclined to believe the latest renders we have, they seem to look pretty on track with what I'm seeing (barring no secret protective film).

It's clear to me that you don't know what I, or you, are talking about. So I'm going to wish you a good night and ask that you drop it. I no longer wish to explain it to you.

[pattali]

Happy Thanksgiving !

[NYguy]

From the Discovery cam, interesting pre-dawn shot...

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[rider15]

1WTC is now taller then 2 WFC :)

[NYguy]

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[gttx]

It's clear to me that you don't know what I, or you, are talking about. So I'm going to wish you a good night and ask that you drop it. I no longer wish to explain it to you.

I work for one of the firm's involved with this project and, while I don't do much of the modeling myself, I can tell you that trusting the renderings completely is pretty silly. They are made to impress people (the client, prospective tenants, in this case the public) - NOT to be complete, accurate depictions of exactly what is being built. Are they pretty darn close? Sure. But no sense in having an argument about materials based on small changes in renderings.

And, for the record, that last photo is pretty slick.

[NYguy]

I can tell you that trusting the renderings completely is pretty silly. They are made to impress people (the client, prospective tenants, in this case the public) - NOT to be complete, accurate depictions of exactly what is being built.

I think that discussion was over (or should be taken somewhere else). As it is, everyone knows there will be a difference between reality and a rendering. For one thing, one's real, the other is not. That's true for all developments. Let's just all be patient, and watch what gets built.

[RKOwens44]

And, for the record, that last photo is pretty slick.

Agreed. It's also the best photo I've seen in which you can clearly see that the height of 1WTC has just surpassed the height of 1WFC with its latest height increase. Another 3 more jumps (6 floors) and it will surpass 2WFC.

[STR]

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If you look at the ripples in the left corner piece, that looks a lot like film that started to detach in a few places. Nobody would accept THAT from their supplier. So good news, it really does look like there's more to be uncovered, literally.

[Traynor]

^A clear film that was wrinkled would show both its own wavy reflections and the pure flat reflections of the underlying glass, superimposed over each other.

On the other hand, a completely mirrored plastic coating, such as Mylar, would only show its own wavy reflections, but not be transparent enough to show the structure behind the glass, as is seen on the panels on the right.

Are we actually seeing internal coatings between the laminated sheets on the left, and pure sky from the outer glass layer on the right?

[STR]

^It's clearly not fully opaque, like mylar. However, if it's semi-transparent, it would reduce the reflection of the glass beneath by absorbing and diffusing the light that passes through. Unless it's specifically designed as such, like polarized materials, reflections are from the surface layer. Anything beneath gets scattered.

[Onn]

My question is how often do they bring cladding to a site with some sort of film over it? Almost never... ever. So it seems unlikely that would be the case here. The distortions in the above picture do look rather strange, but from other angles taken those same pieces look perfectly mirrored too like the ones on the right.


Take a look at this picture, some of the cladding on the far right is both blurry and mirrord at the same time. Does that mean only half the film was pulled off those pieces? :sly:

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Looks to me like it has something to do with which way the light is bouncing off the glass.

[uaarkson]

^^ The ones on the right are reflecting a building and the sky. You can't see distortions in the sky because it has no discernible texture.

I'm doubtful of the plastic film theory, but that's Zen's guess and I trust his more than anyone's. Crossing my fingers.

[Onn]

^^ The ones on the right are reflecting a building and the sky. You can't see distortions in the sky because it has no discernible texture.

I see what you’re saying. The building being reflected on the right is still incredibly distorted. I don't know, it's possible the two cladding pieces on the left closest to the corner are getting a reflection of a building too...aka Goldman Sachs.

[uaarkson]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's GS.

[STR]

I'm pretty sure it's a film at this point. Almost no distortion on the piece before it left the factory, just like the mockup, and absolutely nothing like what we're seeing in the SW corner piece. At this point I'm looking for a photo of the SW corner to see if there's a shot of it before the cover came loose, which would be the definitive proof. EDIT: The "ripple" doesn't look like it was there a month ago.

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EDIT: From NYGuy's post on 11/19
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[NYCLuver]

I don't know, the facade problem is strange lol. I mean those closer to the corner look so distorted, but then look at the panes near the elevator shaft, complete mirror like quality, no distortions. So who knows what the problem is haha.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

heres an idea why doesn't someone just go down to the site and ask a construction worker if the glass has a film on it ;)

[Onn]

heres an idea why doesn't someone just go down to the site and ask a construction worker if the glass has a film on it ;)

No, we would rather argue about it for days on end...:P

(Might not be a bad idea.)

I agree with NYCLuver though, this whole cladding thing is weird.

[Obey]

^^^ There's nothing weird about it. Either there is a covering on it or not.

[Onn]

^^^ There's nothing weird about it. Either there is a covering on it or not.

Oh, it's been weird since day one. First there was the color of the cladding, then there was the time frame of when it was going up, then the missing glass panes once it started going up, and now the question of whether there's either film or no film and distortion...since when cladding this difficult? :shrug:

[Crush_Buds]

The one thing I've discovered about this website is that people like to complain well before a project is finished or near finished. I'm holding judgement as usual, and I bet it will turn out great. I'll laugh some more when two years (or less) pass, and everyone on this forum touts this as the greatest tower on earth. Remain patient. :tup:

[uaarkson]

Oh, it's been weird since day one. First there was the color of the cladding, then there was the time frame of when it was going up, then the missing glass panes once it started going up, and now the question of whether there's either film or no film and distortion...since when cladding this difficult? :shrug:

There's a simple explanation for all of those, most of which have been provided.

[CoolCzech]

heres an idea why doesn't someone just go down to the site and ask a construction worker if the glass has a film on it ;)

For starters, it's not that easy to get to the site. Yeah, it's right in lower Manhattan, but the actual construction is going on in a pit that is a formidable barrier, and I doubt one can wander down into it without authorization. Sure, the area directly around the FT is now at street level, but there are fences and other impediments all around.

Beyond that, most of the workers have nothing to do with the cladding, and probably won't have any idea what you're talking about.

[CoolCzech]

It makes sense that the glass would have some sort of protective film covering it, while construction continues to pitch steel hundreds of feet into the sky directly above.

[meh_cd]

I'll go with some kind of covering. Otherwise some of the reflections of 123 Washington Street (behind Deutsche Bank) make no sense at all.

[Troubadour]

Do the diagonals converge at an increasing rate with height, or are they constant? The renderings all look that way. I ask because I took one of the construction photos and drew straight lines aligned with the diagonals until convergence, and came up with what looks like an insanely tall roof height relative to the surrounding buildings. I hope this is how it turns out, but renderings seem to differ about relative heights.

[Onn]

It makes sense that the glass would have some sort of protective film covering it, while construction continues to pitch steel hundreds of feet into the sky directly above.

You could say that about any skyscraper, protective film is almost NEVER done. In fact the only tower I seem to remember it being done on for the cladding, since I've been following the stuff, might have been, maybe, Bank of America off Bryant Park. That's it!

[JSsocal]

^^^Guangzhou Twin Towers West was entirely covered in protective film until very deep into construction.

Will everybody relax about the glass. NO ONE can make a judgement on the glass yet. They haven't even put two pieces next to each other yet.

[Traynor]

^^^Guangzhou Twin Towers West was entirely covered in protective film until very deep into construction.

Will everybody relax about the glass. NO ONE can make a judgement on the glass yet. They haven't even put two pieces next to each other yet.

Yes, this is true about the IFC in Guangzhou, but while being constructed the glass did not display the extreme waviness as 1WTCv2 seems to be doing so far. You can forgive people for regarding it with such trepidation, when it is a tower that holds such emotional, and personal attachment for so many people.

[NYguy]

Oh, will you people please give it a rest. You couldn't wait for the glass to start going up, and now that it has, you can't seem to stop arguing over it.
Some of us have had enough. Just watch the tower go up, and be greatful that it is - we could still be looking at a hole in the ground.



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[djvandrake]

Oh, will you people please give it a rest. You couldn't wait for the glass to start going up, and now that it has, you can't seem to stop arguing over it.
Some of us have had enough. Just watch the tower go up, and be greatful that it is - we could still be looking at a hole in the ground.


Bravo, Hear Hear, seconded and amen sir. I'd buy you a drink for that one if I could. :cheers:

Thanks for the great pics NYGuy.

[dr_strangelove]

what is the estimated time of completion?

[shakman]

Excellent update. I have not been to this thread in a while. I am quite amazed at the progress of the STEEL rising. So far I have counted 45-floors framed.

Shall this be the next debate? :D

[Obey]

what is the estimated time of completion?

I believe 2013

[YSL]

gorgeous!!!

[jthornton17]

[QUOTE=NYguy;5072163]Oh, will you people please give it a rest. You couldn't wait for the glass to start going up, and now that it has, you can't seem to stop arguing over it.
Some of us have had enough. Just watch the tower go up, and be greatful that it is - we could still be looking at a hole in the ground.



NOVEMBER 26, 2010


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18573/1011160.jpg


Yeah, I agree. What's Next? The color of the carpet that goes on the floor? Picture number 17 is so awesome! I believe this will put the building past floor 50?

[YSL]

heres an idea why doesn't someone just go down to the site and ask a construction worker if the glass has a film on it ;)

....or e-mail the supplier of the glass :)

[STR]

^I thought I pretty well settled it with photographic evidence. Either there's a film on the glass, or the SW corner piece is slowly melting in 30 degree cold.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

When are they going to start cladding at the base?

[NYguy]

http://tribecatrib.com/news/2010/november/799_world-trade-center-tower-begins-to-show-its-shimmering-face.html

By Matt Dunning
Nov. 17

Installation of the 13-foot-high panels began on the 20th floor, Coleman said, because the Port Authority will need open access to the tower’s base, containing the mechanical equipment, for several more months.

“There is a lot of equipment that still needs to be loaded onto the mechanical floors in the , so the glass wall must come in later,” Coleman said. “Additionally, with all the activity at the base of the building now, we scheduled the wall later to minimize damage.”

[b]Coleman said installation of the prismatic glass wall on the tower’s base—meant to obscure the mechanical equipment behind it—would likely begin in early 2012.

I expect at least two people to remember it...;)

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

:previous: Thanks.... It will look funny to see several floors with glass, only the lowest without... :haha:

[nycdagreatest]

Its great to see so much progress at the WTC.

[eduardo88]

Sorry for my ignorance (and for sidetracking from the glass film debate), but does this tower have a concrete core? In every construction photo i've seen I can't see one!

[Draegen]

Sorry for my ignorance (and for sidetracking from the glass film debate), but does this tower have a concrete core? In every construction photo i've seen I can't see one!Yes, it does it just lags behind, they once had to halt the steel erection until the core could catch up.

[hunser]

November 26, 2010
Rise of Freedom: WTC Thanksgiving

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-of-freedom/index.html

[patriotizzy]

Dang. I was gone for about 4 days but I'm glad to be back and watch the updates.

[Dac150]

Thank you for putting that update together NYGuy; it’s much appreciated.

[Zapatan]

I believe this will put the building past floor 50?

I think floor 50 begins at the tip of the newest steel which is not really a floor yet, as far as solid floors go I think its up to 47 or 48



I just saw this today in person when I was up in NY, it's looking pretty great, and it's still baby sized compared to what it will be, still another 100 or so feet to go until it reaches halfway to the roof alone..

very exciting :)

[sw5710]

They are working on the 49th and 50th floor's now. 590'+ to the vertical steel splices on the 50th floor.

[MadGnome]

Sorry for my ignorance (and for sidetracking from the glass film debate), but does this tower have a concrete core? In every construction photo i've seen I can't see one!

It has a concrete core with 3 foot thick walls. It's poured around the erecting steel you see coming up in the center. The concrete lags several floors behind the steel so it's hard to see in the photos.

[winlinmac001]

This building is going to be very heavy! :haha: Heavier than one of the former Twin Towers alone. Apparently, the former Twin Towers each had 17,000 shock absorbers to prevent the building from toppling over--to be more specific, bear the Hurricane-force winds. Will this new tower have a similar number of shock absorbers or is it not needed--as the concrete core is solid enough.

[MadGnome]

This building is going to be very heavy! :haha: Heavier than one of the former Twin Towers alone. Apparently, the former Twin Towers each had 17,000 shock absorbers to prevent the building from toppling over--to be more specific, bear the Hurricane-force winds. Will this new tower have a similar number of shock absorbers or is it not needed--as the concrete core is solid enough.

The core isn't that much of a factor for hurriccanes. When you try to push the building sideways, the load will be on the outer columns. I'm not sure what shock absorbers you mean. I know that some of the steel is sort of scalloped so it will flex and not put the whole load on a small point when the building moves.

[NYguy]

A little older, but nice overall view from above...

pascal.porta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/piranjah/5211877262/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5211877262_875f6de558_o.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5211876666_3f079b50d2_o.jpg

[NYguy]

VinSchiano2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39326896@N05/5210404457/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5210404457_504e2c7785_b.jpg



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5195927154_31a65ec460_b.jpg

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

:previous: Lovely shots, especially those from above. Not far to catch 7 WTC, but I suppose that won't happen before February or March.

[STR]

This building is going to be very heavy! :haha: Heavier than one of the former Twin Towers alone. Apparently, the former Twin Towers each had 17,000 shock absorbers to prevent the building from toppling over--to be more specific, bear the Hurricane-force winds. Will this new tower have a similar number of shock absorbers or is it not needed--as the concrete core is solid enough.

I think you mean the visco-elastic dampeners. Those weren't shock absorbers, not in the usual definition of the term at least. They altered and reduced the sway of the building to reduce motion sickness. They really didn't serve a structural purpose. The buildings were designed to (and did) take more than the occupants could tolerate. They built those into the design because the all-steel structure is more flexible than a concrete or composite structure like this building. Concrete and steel-concrete composite buildings are stiffer and don't need something like that generally. Modern buildings tend to use single, tuned mass dampeners these days when the structure itself isn't stiff enough.

[NYC4Life]

I'm totally diggin' the amount of progress at this tower and the rest of the site. Seems You can't go a day without missing a key piece of progress. The entire development is now on cruise control.

[dr_strangelove]

A little older, but nice overall view from above...

pascal.porta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/piranjah/5211877262/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
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The city looks great here except for that area just below the river (not too familiar with ny sorry) It looks like eastern european communist block housing- what is that? projects?