NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[PIZ]

Sorry, but I feel this is not the the building I expected. I honestly "Hate" the design! I loved the first design, and understand they changed it because of being sued, but we need a memorial that looks like a memorial from miles and miles away (as the first design)! It's just an average looking building; very very sad! I honestly feel that the owner of this property is just thinking about him and him only! The person incharge of this should be ashamed of him-self!

[37TimPPG]

Uhhhh......what?

I didn't do a very good job of explaining myself. I meant complicated in the fact that you have multiple groups with conflicting interests: firefighters, police, surviving family members, business interests and the politicians. Everything gets screwed up when the damn politicians enter the picture!

I am glad things are going well but I have to wonder how much further along things would be if there was a united front with a clear plan from the beginning?

[Daquan13]

Patience! This is the most complicated construction project in history (??) taking place. That being said, I agree with you about the construction being late and wanting to see substantial progress. Hopefully by this time next year the steel will start to soar to the sky.:tup:



Umm, as a matter of fact, and according to the officials, more steel is to be delivered to Ground Zero on or near year's end, and before or by late winter or early spring, the steel should at least have sprouted or start to spout above street level.

This would be for the infrastructure. The steel for the actual tower itself should start coming before or by next summer sometime.

So far, the tower's construction timetable is operating on or near schedule as planned.;)

[spwelan]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3764/crownvp5.jpg
what about a crown like this
do you think this looks better?

[Aleks]

I'm sorry if you made this but...EWW that would not look better. It looks fine the way it is.

[Dac150]

Thats pushing it a litte. Too much going on with a crown like that. I think it is fine the way it is.

[37TimPPG]

Thats pushing it a litte. Too much going on with a crown like that. I think it is fine the way it is.

It almost looks like the shape of the World Series Trophy:jester:

[Dalton]

It almost looks like the shape of the World Series Trophy:jester:

I was thinking "Wonder Woman's tiara" myself. :haha:

[knarfor]

Did Freedom Tower just win the Miss America Pageant? I know I have been gone for a while, but I never expected this...

[newstl2020]

Why not just scrap the circle all together? IMO this would look much much better with the spire only. The circle looks tacky and out of place in this tower, as the rest of the building relies on straight lines creating triangular shapes near the top.

[Raraavis]

I know we are all bored waiting for this tower to rise but leave the design alone. We had five years to bitch about the design and now it is done. The design is OK and it is really really tall that's enough for me.

[kingsdl76]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3764/crownvp5.jpg
what about a crown like this
do you think this looks better?


I think that would look pretty sweet.....good job man. :cheers:

[RockMont]

I know we are all bored waiting for this tower to rise but leave the design alone. We had five years to bitch about the design and now it is done. The design is OK and it is really really tall that's enough for me.



Agreed. All the bitching about those previous two or three previous putrid travesties, is what resulted in this one, and it is excellent. Initially I would have liked to have the twin towers back, but that was partly due to those ugly buildings that, that Leibeskind nightmare came up with. Gone and good riddance. Thank God for major favours.

[SonnyinMiami]

That Crown is the Perfect Touch..., It helps the FT taper into it's spire nicely..., think ESB.

[Daquan13]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3764/crownvp5.jpg
what about a crown like this
do you think this looks better?



I think that crown looks nice up there also, but if they DON'T put it there, it won't make me like the tower any less.

[johnandahalf]

I love NYC and I love skyscrapers, but this building is AWFUL with or without the tiara. Building anything less than a massive world-class skyscraper with cutting-edge design is taking the chicken-sh!t route. Saying "we don't want the new WTC to be a target" is like saying "I got this black eye when I ran into the door." Bullsh!t. Your batterer knows they've influenced, if not controlled, the design. Who wins? Not freedom.

[kingsdl76]

I love NYC and I love skyscrapers, but this building is AWFUL with or without the tiara. Building anything less than a massive world-class skyscraper with cutting-edge design is taking the chicken-sh!t route. Saying "we don't want the new WTC to be a target" is like saying "I got this black eye when I ran into the door." Bullsh!t. Your batterer knows they've influenced, if not controlled, the design. Who wins? Not freedom.

True dat........

[37TimPPG]

Just checked out the construction web cam. The FT core is coming along quite nicely:notacrook:

[RockMont]

Just checked out the construction web cam. The FT core is coming along quite nicely:notacrook:

What is the website for the construction webcam?

[Ghost]

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/
Go to High Definition Webcam at left.

[Nicko999]

Just checked out the construction web cam. The FT core is coming along quite nicely:notacrook:

The tower isn't rising so I don't know why it would be nice.

[Alliance]

That Crown is the Perfect Touch..., It helps the FT taper into it's spire nicely....

From that angle. From other angles it would be horrible. Besides...its nto ACTUALLY supposed to be a crown. FT has enough trouble as it is imo.

[CoolCzech]

With that crown it kind of looks like a bishop of something. Cute thought, but... NO.

[aluminum]

IMO the crown looks cool. The best thing is it hides some part of the spire, therefore making it appear that FT's not 'cheating', 'that' much, if you know what I mean.

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcmm.jpg

[CoolCzech]

IMO the crown looks cool. The best thing is it hides some part of the spire, therefore making it appear that FT's not 'cheating', 'that' much, if you know what I mean.

Because you added a few flimsy rods around the already very massive, functional spire? No, I don't know what you "mean."

[Daquan13]

Because you added a few flimsy rods around the already very massive, functional spire? No, I don't know what you "mean."



IMO, the Freedom Tower looks good with or without those. I can take it or leave it.

The first major improvement of this project, first and foremost, was getting rid of that awful birdcage design on top.

In the end, we finally got what most of us wanted anyway; A taller occupeid
portion of the tower that is just as tall as the old Twins, if not taller.

This way, the restaurant and obs deck are higher in the sky. That said, I'm quite happy with the present design without any further enhancements on the exterior of the tower.

[BigBird9]

When is the tower actually supposed to start rising??? Sorry, I know this question has probably been asked plenty of times in this tread.

[Dac150]

^^^^^^^^
Then go back and read for yourself. I'm sure the answer is on the last page.

[Daquan13]

^^^^^^^^
Then go back and read for yourself. I'm sure the answer is on the last page.



Yes!! Or at least a few pages back.

Not trying to be a jerk to BigBird9, but yes he's right, this question HAS been asked a lot, and frankly, I've answered it lots of times and I'm kind of annoyed by it.

But, to save you the trouble, BigBird, early next year sometime.

[BigBird9]

:previous: I understand, thanks for letting me know anyway. :worship: And I did search a few previous pages looking for the answer before I asked, but i geuss I'm blind or it just hasn't been asnwered for a few more pages back.

I can't wait to see it rise, I like the design, but I wish it would have been taller.

[Daquan13]

So much info has been posted practically since the tower went into the construction phase that it's quite easy to miss or overlook certain things.

As for me, I'm glad that it's at the planned height. It (office portion) was going to be shorter at first.

[aluminum]

but I wish it would have been taller.

Its a pretty common opinion now.

[CoolCzech]

Its a pretty common opinion now.

The word "trite" comes to mind.

[SonnyinMiami]

^^^^^^^^
Then go back and read for yourself. I'm sure the answer is on the last page.


Did you mean the FIRST page ??? You must really have your "hate on" to give a response like that to a simple question. Not everybody is abreast of what's going on with the Freedom Tower. Maybe it's someone who hasn't been on the forums for awhile & would like to be more involved ???

[aluminum]

^^^ Believe it or not, typing "early next year sometime" can by a really tough job for some people.

[Daquan13]

^^^ Believe it or not, typing "early next year sometime" can by a really tough job for some people.



There are no precise dates given that I know of.

The tower WILL start rising though. This is just an educated or estimated guess as to when some more of the steel will arrive for the underground portion of the tower.

In any office tower being built in New York or elsewhere, times or dates given are usually always Estimated. Because they're not really sure themselves as to exactly WHEN things should happen or are expected to happen, even though they know things are coming. They also sometimes say On or about as well.

I think I read somewhere that there will be another celebration that would allow more people to sign their names on a few more of the columns or beams. But don't quote me on it. This might be just speculation.:banana:

[Lecom]

IMO the crown looks cool. The best thing is it hides some part of the spire, therefore making it appear that FT's not 'cheating', 'that' much, if you know what I mean.
People need to stop being so obsessed about exact height definitions. The crown does indeed integrate the spire into the design more; however, both are functional elements that are integral to the building's program.The degree to which the tower "cheats" is really pretty unimportant, unless it clashes with the design in a severe way.

[Daquan13]

People need to stop being so obsessed about exact height definitions. The crown does indeed integrate the spire into the design more; however, both are functional elements that are integral to the building's program.The degree to which the tower "cheats" is really pretty unimportant, unless it clashes with the design in a severe way.



It seems that some are still having a hard time dealing with the fact that the spire finishes out the height of the tower and not the actual structure itself.

We got the same structural height that the Twins had. What more do they want?;)

[speedy1979]

It seems that some are still having a hard time dealing with the fact that the spire finishes out the height of the tower and not the actual structure itself.

We got the same structural height that the Twins had. What more do they want?;)

They want a one mile high Burj of New York. :banana::banana::notacrook::jester:

[Daquan13]

They want a one mile high Burj of New York. :banana::banana::notacrook::jester:



I'll just respond to that with this;:tantrum: :rant: :lmao:

[ATLksuGUY]

Any closeup photo updates? Lets let this height thing rest, please...:babyeat:

[Daquan13]

Yes, it NEEDS to.

The tower IS what it is, and no fantacies should be added to it. Only what the officials want or think it should have.

[37TimPPG]

They want a one mile high Burj of New York. :banana::banana::notacrook::jester:


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:D :D :D :D :D

[Daquan13]

When the dust clears for Ground Zero and all is said and done, there will be people lining up to visit the tower left and right!

[RockMont]

I figure to be in there somewhere.

[ramvid01]

Looks like they poured more concrete the the basement floor on the far end of the picture. Not sure why but it was pretty clear from the webcam earlier.

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcccc.jpg

[M.K.]

when this tower would be real reality??? :D I am tired of waiting :---!

[Daquan13]

Go back and read some of the previous pages and you'll find the answer.

[Daquan13]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcccc.jpg



The section of West Street in front of Winter Garden looks like it was moved over slightly. Wonder why.

That makes it much harder to view Ground Zero from that vantage point!

[37TimPPG]

The section of West Street in front of Winter Garden looks like it was moved over slightly. Wonder why.

That makes it much harder to view Ground Zero from that vantage point!


There is going to be a lot more activity and congestion now that construction has really gotten underway. The movement of West Street was done so the Port Authority could have a buffer zone due to safety concerns - also I believe more cranes and heavy equipment will soon be onsite?

It's REALLY happening - YAY!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Daquan13]

There is going to be a lot more activity and congestion now that construction has really gotten underway. The movement of West Street was done so the Port Authority could have a buffer zone due to safety concerns - also I believe more cranes and heavy equipment will soon be onsite?

It's REALLY happening - YAY!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:



Think things got going this year? Wait'll next year!

The four major towers - ALL of them should be booming by then! The Deutsche Bank Building should also be removed by then and that spot should start being cleared for Tower 5.

Yeah, there were supposed to be two more large cranes coming to help build the Freedom Tower.

The PA doesn't want anything falling on someone such as a pedestrian, now that you mentioned it. Lord knows Ground Zero has had more than its share of tragedies!!

[Ghost]

The section of West Street in front of Winter Garden looks like it was moved over slightly. Wonder why.
They are doing secant piles for Route 9A Pedestrian Underpass.

That makes it much harder to view Ground Zero from that vantage point!
Um... no? You couldn't see anything from Ground Zero there anyway, and it doesn't have effect for the view from Winter Garden.

[Daquan13]

They are doing secant piles for Route 9A Pedestrian Underpass.


Um... no? You couldn't see anything from Ground Zero there anyway, and it doesn't have effect for the view from Winter Garden.



Sort of like the one over at the GS Tower?

I just started to realise that what people can't see in that spot can be viewed on the LMDC cam.

[NYguy]

Pics from wtcrising.com (Freedom Tower and connections)

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/freedomtower%20site_big.jpg


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/moreft4_big.jpg


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/201/WTC%20Workers%20(7)_big.JPG


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/201/WTC%20Workers%20(9)_big.JPG


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/climbing%20rebar_big.jpg

[Knightwing]

^Big kid's rock climbing...

[charger1966]

Hello everyone, I was at The site today and there is a lot , I mean A LOT of activity there. As far as a vantage point to watch, there really isn't one that I found. To many things and fences in the way. Believe me when I say this, It's a lot better to watch the development on this web site or from the web cam. This was the first time I visited there since the tragic day and I was very moved. I hope to go there again in the spring of next year.
Keep those pictures coming guys they are the best.

Thanks,
Lance

[CarlosV]

courtesy wtcrising

thanks NYGuy, more fotos to share....:)

September WTC 1 construction update....

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_4672%20(Large)_big.JPG

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http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_4701%20(Large)_big.JPG


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http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/DSC_0151%20(Large)_big.JPG

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http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_4564%20(Large)_big.JPG


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http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_0787%20(Large)_big.JPG





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http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_2903%20(Large)_big.JPG

[NYguy]

In just a few short months, we'll have measurable height...:yes:

[2-TOWERS]

great close up shots...wow.. looking at these closeups this building could probably be over 2000 feet the foundation , just looks like this building will stand forever...... just like the ESP this will be a very STRONG building....

WTC ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!

[fleonzo]

Pardon my ignorance but I've always wondered how they make the cranes go higher as the building they're constructing increases in height? Please describe.

Thanks...

[CarlosV]

Pardon my ignorance but I've always wondered how they make the cranes go higher as the building they're constructing increases in height? Please describe.

Thanks...

hey man read this.............

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tower-crane4.htm

[fleonzo]

hey man read this.............

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tower-crane4.htm

Got it.....thanks!!! Now I know!

[Daquan13]

great close up shots...wow.. looking at these closeups this building could probably be over 2000 feet the foundation , just looks like this building will stand forever...... just like the ESP this will be a very STRONG building....

WTC ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!



Good thinking, 2-TOWERS, but unfortunately, building heights are only counted or measured from the streets up. I wish it were that way myself.

Great pics NYguy and Pussy Willow!!!

Willow, I LOVE that 2nd pic you posted that shows a very dramatic shot of the bases of the tower cranes!!! Very phenominal!!;)

[NYguy]

lowermanhattan.info

http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/WTC_construction_2.jpg_http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/WTC_construction_7.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/WTC_construction_9.jpg_http://lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/WTC_construction_10.jpg

[Daquan13]

There it goes again (lower left).

Great pics, NYguy!!!

[Ghost]

Almost ready to rise!

http://i22.tinypic.com/8wbj8n.jpg

[Complex01]

Moving along very nicely...

:cool:

[MONACO]

Wow.....it is amazing to acutally see progress. I was wondering, with the length of the spire, will Freedom Tower have broadcasting capability? I remember reading once that the destruction of the WTC seriously hampered television broadcasting. Is the spire on Freedom Tower designed to replace some of this lost capability?

[dallasbrink]

moving........along.......very....slowly

[37TimPPG]

Wow.....it is amazing to acutally see progress. I was wondering, with the length of the spire, will Freedom Tower have broadcasting capability? I remember reading once that the destruction of the WTC seriously hampered television broadcasting. Is the spire on Freedom Tower designed to replace some of this lost capability?

Yes. Yes it will:tup:

[charger1966]

Hello people, Does anyone know if there is an obs deck in #7? I would like to know for the next time I go to the site.
Thanks
Lance

[JMGarcia]

Hello people, Does anyone know if there is an obs deck in #7? I would like to know for the next time I go to the site.
Thanks
Lance

No, no obs deck in 7.

[NYguy]

Almost ready to rise!

http://i22.tinypic.com/8wbj8n.jpg


That garage is hardly noticeable now.

[NYguy]

Hello people, Does anyone know if there is an obs deck in #7? I would like to know for the next time I go to the site.
Thanks
Lance

That's correct that there is no observation deck there, but the building does sometimes hold events open to the public. All part of the plan to make the WTC a vital part of the city again...
http://www.7wtcevents.com/

[Daquan13]

That's correct that there is no observation deck there, but the building does sometimes hold events open to the public. All part of the plan to make the WTC a vital part of the city again...
http://www.7wtcevents.com/



What does raw space mean? No ceiling panels, floor tiles, walls, rugs or office furniture?:shrug:

[CarlosV]

^
OMG you never the term "raw space"??

it means just that...no partitions, exposed ceiling beams sometimes, bare floors...so you can divide and build the office or residence as you wish basically.......etc



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/raw.jpg

[Daquan13]

I thought that was what it meant, but I wasn't sure. Haha!!

No, that probably was the first time that I ever heard the term used. But I figured it out pretty much by seeing that floor in 7 WTC with no walls or ceiling panels installed.

Thanx for the answer!

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcjkjkjjj.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtclklklkl.jpg

[Stephenapolis]

Progress! It is so wonderful to see progress!

[DUBAI2015]

You can only see the Freedo on the Freedom Tower beam.

[Daquan13]

You can only see the Freedo on the Freedom Tower beam.



Yeah, they are slowly becoming encased in the concrete to look like they are only concrete columns.:banana:

[dallasbrink]

YES! its finally starting to grow. Time to show the fools that America Never gives up!

[37TimPPG]

The Giant American Flag is a nice touch!

[BrandonJXN]

You can only see the Freedo on the Freedom Tower beam.

Mmmm.....Freedos. I'm a Pringle's guy myself.

[37TimPPG]

Mmmm.....Freedos. I'm a Pringle's guy myself.


Wasn't "Freedo" the Don's son in the Godfather Movies??? (LOL!):D :D



Seriously....from what I could view from the webcam today it looks like the cement floor is being poured just off the two FT tower cranes?

GO PROGRESS GO!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Nowhereman1280]

I thought Freedo was that short dude from the Lord of the Rings!
;) :cool:

[dallasbrink]

I thought Freedo was that short dude from the Lord of the Rings!
;) :cool:

no thats frodo

[Stephenapolis]

I thought Freedo was that short dude from the Lord of the Rings!
;) :cool:

No. Freedo was the guy who shot first. ;)

[Alliance]

...and missed.

[Daquan13]

.......^And now, back to the Freedom Tower.

Only about a few more months before we begin seeing more steel arrive and put in place for the infrastructure.

[Steven2197]

about february 2008 you will see steel rising up the streets!:)

[antinimby]

Did they ever bring back that cornerstone and place it at the base of the foundation like they had prematurely done a three or four years ago?

How come we haven't heard anything about it?

[CarlosV]

^
mmmm good question....but isnt that supposed to be placed outside?? so passerbys can see it?? (street level)??? :shrug:

[CarlosV]

October 4, 2007

:cool:

the whole site is buzzing with activity....nothing coming out of the ground yet but all 16 acres are seeing some action!!!

I actually went to the south part of the site....since the WTC1 is pretty much the same as the last time around....



:(

the old mall space is nothing but........empty space...this is the same exact spot where i used to buy my candy!!!!.:(


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture009.jpg

:)

the temporary entrance to PATH has been covered in canvas...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture013-1.jpg


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture028.jpg


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture016-2.jpg


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture024.jpg


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture027.jpg


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture042-1.jpg

see ya ...until next trip!!!!

:tup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture022.jpg

[ATLian12]

great to see the progress.

[SNT1]

Gawd 7WTC is so niiice.... uhmm. I mean... Nice 1WTC progress pics, thanks >.>

[Daquan13]

Carlos, is that you with your back to the camera?

[CarlosV]

^
No it is not, that was a construction worker, i asked him if he'd mind, he said no..we all had a good laugh... :)

by the way Mr Daquan Leave Britney alone!!! :)