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[TechTalkGuy]

What I am specifically looking forward to is visiting the observation deck! :D

[NYguy]

The best view remains up close, and personal...


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[TechTalkGuy]

:previous: There's my new desktop wallpaper! :yes:

[CHAPINM1]

I like what we got. It's a nod to its predecessors (especially the North Tower), while being an entirely new, bold design for the 21st century.

Perfectly said! I remember when the design was unveiled in July 2005, it felt so right. :yes:

[NYguy]

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[N830MH]

Wow! What a nice shot!!!!! Keep'em it coming!!!!

[Nexis4Jersey]

World Trade Center 1 viewed from New Jersey

Weehawken,New Jersey

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From Hoboken,New Jersey

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From Secaucus

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From Harrison & Kearny

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[jayden]

The finished product is everything I hoped for and more (including the antenna.)
I suppose I'm in the minority but I actually prefer the one we got. To me it maintains that classic NYC feel.

[Eidolon]

1 WTC now more than half full (http://www.rew-online.com/2014/06/25/1-wtc-now-more-than-half-full/)
By REW Staff
June 25, 2014


The Durst Organization announced this morning that Legends, along with investment managers BMB Group, are taking some of the 94,000 s/f pre-built space set aside on the tower’s 45th and 46th floors that can accommodate a maximum of 18 tenants.

Coming on the heels of a 34,000 s/f deal the the KiDS advertising agency in May, it brings the three million square feet 1 One Trade Center to 56 per cent occupancy.

Legends Hospitality, LLC, which is developing the building’s One World Observatory on floors 100-102, will situate members of its Observatory operations team in a 4,759 s/f office located on a portion of the 45th floor under a 10-year lease.

The London-based BMB Group is set to take 2,191 s/f on the 46th floor under a 10-year lease. The BMB Group – which provides asset management and investment advisory services to sovereign wealth funds – is relocating its US offices from nearby 7 World Trade Center.

The pre-built floors are designed and being subdivided into smaller increments that allow single users to lease as little as 2,000s/f up to a total of 20,000 s/f. The build-to-suit initiative offers customized construction and finishes to meet specific tenant configurations. A limited number of units will be available for occupancy in November.

:cheers:
Past the half way point and it's not even open for business yet. The Port Authority's fear of a glut of office space is overblown.

[weidncol]

The site sure is getting more tenants than the old WTC got when it was completed.

[sterlippo1]

The site sure is getting more tenants than the old WTC got when it was completed.

far different economic conditions etc. Apples an oranges I believe

[freddyfromutah]

I took my 6th visit to the WTC site since 2001 over the weekend. The amount of progress in the past 2 years is pretty staggering, seeing the scope of work they are doing. I really like the new tower, and still cannot believe how it towers over lower Manhattan. I was able to visit the original WTC towers in 1994, I was only 14, but I remember feeling the same way about them as I do about the new building.

I took a couple images of the Tower from the Rockefeller Center:

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[QUEENSNYMAN]

I took my 6th visit to the WTC site since 2001 over the weekend. The amount of progress in the past 2 years is pretty staggering, seeing the scope of work they are doing. I really like the new tower, and still cannot believe how it towers over lower Manhattan. I was able to visit the original WTC towers in 1994, I was only 14, but I remember feeling the same way about them as I do about the new building.

I took a couple images of the Tower from the Rockefeller Center:

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Very Nice:tup:

[Nexis4Jersey]

last night

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[MolsonExport]

Great photos.

[NYguy]

I suppose I'm in the minority but I actually prefer the one we got. To me it maintains that classic NYC feel.

You're probably not in the minority as far as liking the antenna, but as far as classic NYC feel, I have no idea what you're talking about.



I really like the new tower, and still cannot believe how it towers over lower Manhattan.


I'm assuming you are probably too young to remember the original complex, but that was the thing about the WTC. It totally dominated the lower Manhattan skyline.
This tower is very similar to that (though smaller at the top), and is basically the same effect as having one of the originals still standing. When the complex is built or more,
and tower 2 completed, you'll have more of the effect of the complex as a whole.



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[Camstonisland]

10 more pages before we have 1776 pages :cheers:

[NYguy]

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[hunser]

The old WTC ... I mean Beekman & 1WTC. :D

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[Yackemflaber69]

nice

[Perklol]

10 more pages before we have 1776 pages :cheers:

someone said the thread will be locked when it hits 1776 pages. can anyone confirm?

[QUEENSNYMAN]

My latest video from today which also shows (OFF TOPIC) 432 Park Avenue:

By QUEENSNY121:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs6O8gJrWd4&feature=youtu.be

[NYguy]

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[Double L]

Classic photos.

[gramsjdg]

Jeez, those photos just emphasize what an ugly mess the top of that building is.

Way to go, Durst. :hell:

[Patrick]

Last time I saw 1WTC it was about 75% of the way up and the spire controversy was still months in the future. I finally got to see it topped off and fully cladded a couple weeks ago and boy was I impressed. I was not a fan of 1WTC at all before seeing this time around, I hated the tapering, the base, and the overall blandness of the tower - I take it all back now. The tapering makes the building really soar, especially when viewed from directly under, a truly inspiring and humbling sight. The base, which I though was going to appear fortress-like, was actually quite nice and strangely inviting. As for the building itself, it catches light like no other building I've seen before. 1WTC commands the Lower Manhattan skyline, it is huge. To those who say it is not "New York" enough, I suggest seeing it in person, the complex is worthy replacement.

The antenna however (that's no spire) is lame, whenever I tried to come to terms with it I would just look at the very top of it and ponder about what could have been. I can only hope that one day they decide to cover up that ugly antenna, at least at night it looked better than expected. I really hope 2WTC gets built in the coming years, while 1WTC and 4WTC fill in the skyline quite nicely, there is still a gap in the skyline that needs to be filled. 2WTC will perfectly complement 1WTC if and when it gets built.

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[sterlippo1]

^^^ that was maybe the best page full of pictures in the whole 1WTC thread:tup:

[pnapp1]

From Sunday. The mast and the communication ring looked great (well the best I have seen it look) in the bright, sunny, cloudless day. It had a shine to it that made it look a little less awkward and more polished. It really catches the sunlight well and looks good when you are in close proximity to the tower itself. But from a distance, it still leaves a lot to be desired.

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_2014-06-29_p1.jpg
6/29/14

[Nexis4Jersey]

World Trade Center Picture overload

from Secaucus Junction

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From Jersey City

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From Hoboken

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1 & 7

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[The Pimp]

Absolutely beautiful! American Strong!

[N830MH]

Wow! What a beautiful and gorgeous!! Can't wait to be done soon.

[drumz0rz]

I haven't seen it mentioned here yet but the PA posted a picture on twitter of them prepping the window washing equipment yesterday. Bath time soon?

Any bets on how long it'll take to fully clean the tower?

[weidncol]

The beacon is back up and better than ever!

[CCs77]

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[mmikeyphilly]

^^^ that was maybe the best page full of pictures in the whole 1WTC thread:tup:

That's funny, I just had the same thought.:cheers:

This thread's been very entertaining, informative, enlightening, and very appreciated. I know that there are many here to thank for all of the wonderful photos and comments, but I'll just say "Thank You". You know who..:tup:

[NYguy]

From the side that dare not reveal its height...


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[Hudson11]

insane weather in NY right now, and somehow the earthcam on the statue of liberty is still working :???: http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/statueofliberty/?cam=liberty_hd
pretty awesome ambiance.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Brknbi7IcAAISXa.jpg:large
Nima Shirazi (https://twitter.com/WideAsleepNima/status/484461818099011584) via Twitter

[NYguy]

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[NYguy]

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[JZeig1]

From the side that dare not reveal its height...


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When I see photos like the above, I can't help but think about photo like this one -
fabiofigueira (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fabiofigueira/3432849475/sizes/l/)

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or basically all the photos on the bottom of this page (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4191070#post4191070).

I remember the photo of the steel being up and dangling in the air waiting to matted with either concrete or more steel.

Great job 'NYGuy'. From start to finish. Now if we could just get 2 on the way.

It's been a long journey. Children of those lost in the tragedy will graduate from college by the time this thing is completed.

[jayden]

When I see photos like the above, I can't help but think about photo like this one -


or basically all the photos on the bottom of this page (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4191070#post4191070).

I remember the photo of the steel being up and dangling in the air waiting to matted with either concrete or more steel.

Great job 'NYGuy'. From start to finish. Now if we could just get 2 on the way.

It's been a long journey. Children of those lost in the tragedy will graduate from college by the time this thing is completed.
Many have already graduated from college and beyond...

Anyway, what a storm last night! :stunned:

Hopefully Arthur stays far enough off the coast to where the city or its boroughs aren't largely affected.

[skylife]

You're probably not in the minority as far as liking the antenna, but as far as classic NYC feel, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Apparently you do. Maybe you just don't agree, but you understand the idea of something having a NY feel.

Re: Tower Verre

It may not be the biggest, or tallest, but it oozes New York.

[NYguy]

Apparently you do. Maybe you just don't agree, but you understand the idea of something having a NY feel.

NO, its not that I don't agree, its that I don't understand how you feel that is classic New York. The beacon at the top? I will go with that. As for the rest of the mast, no, that's not New York.




It's been a long journey. Children of those lost in the tragedy will graduate from college by the time this thing is completed.

Yeah, it's been a long journey. There are now people who weren't even alive before the tragedies of 9/11 who are now old enough to look and appreciate the tower on the skyline. They will never know what it was like with the Twins, but they can appreciate the new dynamics of the New York skyline.

[JZeig1]

Yeah, it's been a long journey. There are now people who weren't even alive before the tragedies of 9/11 who are now old enough to look and appreciate the tower on the skyline. They will never know what it was like with the Twins, but they can appreciate the new dynamics of the New York skyline.

You just brought a tear to my eye. They will never know the void that this new tower could never replace, but as a New Yorker, we have to find a way to move on. Although the new building is much better, safer, more efficient, a little nicer to look at, that Tuesday will never be forgotten. At least not for use.
Again, thank you for the great candid and thoughtful comments and photos that you've share over the years.
You must be Democrat. :-)
:cool:

[JZeig1]

Many have already graduated from college and beyond...

Anyway, what a storm last night! :stunned:

Hopefully Arthur stays far enough off the coast to where the city or its boroughs aren't largely affected.

Yeah that storm was sick, and we're in the midst of another one now. Arthur must be the guy out here in Far Rockaway that does the video shot from the 9/11 memorial park. If it is, yeah, he better say in...

[EMArg]

Video of the 1WTC, the new transportation hub, and the WTC museum from outside:


mZcISsfECgA

[skylife]

NO, its not that I don't agree, its that I don't understand how you feel that is classic New York. The beacon at the top? I will go with that. As for the rest of the mast, no, that's not New York.

Okay, fair enough. The mast really isn't classic anything, but the beacon has a very gothic feel and there are gothic influences all over NYC, including in some of the most iconic structures like the Brooklyn Bridge. I can see what he/she was saying.

Anyway, thanks for all your knowledge and updates.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

My latest video from this evening, it also shows Macy's fireworks as seen from Rockaway.

By: QUEENSNY121:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blcZNxRQUdo&feature=youtu.be

[weidncol]

I find it very sad that Durst didn't do any sort of special lighting for this. I don't consider static RWB lighting to be special, either. Even 4 Times Square and Bank of America Tower had dynamic flourish lighting.

[RobEss]

I find it very sad that Durst didn't do any sort of special lighting for this. I don't consider static RWB lighting to be special, either. Even 4 Times Square and Bank of America Tower had dynamic flourish lighting.

I had that same thought as I was watching the fireworks last night - I kept imagining, should they have installed the radome, the incredible projection-mapping they could have done. As it was, static colors and all, it was pure 20th century dull.

[NYguy]

You just brought a tear to my eye. They will never know the void that this new tower could never replace, but as a New Yorker, we have to find a way to move on. Although the new building is much better, safer, more efficient, a little nicer to look at, that Tuesday will never be forgotten.

Just makes us appreciate what we had all the more.



I find it very sad that Durst didn't do any sort of special lighting for this. I don't consider static RWB lighting to be special, either. Even 4 Times Square and Bank of America Tower had dynamic flourish lighting.

I don't know that it's Durst or the Port Authority at this point. Last I heard, the programming wasn't ready, but I did think something would probably be ready by the 4th of July. Maybe they are waiting until the building officially opens, to make some sore of grand splash. Who knows...



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[QUEENSNYMAN]

My latest video from today which also shows (OFF TOPIC) 432 Park Avenue as seen from Breezy Point, Queens.

By:QUEENSNY121

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tbS1fFFRGw&feature=youtu.be

[RobEss]

Photos from last night's fireworks:

Douglas Palmer (
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[King DenCity]

amazing. i wish i was there

[Nexis4Jersey]

My World Trade Center Photos from my Port Newark Boat tour

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[NYguy]

Viewed from 388 Bridge St


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[QUEENSNYMAN]

Thats a great view from 388 Bridge.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

My latest video from this morning which also shows (OFF TOPIC) 432 Park Avenue;

By QUEENSNY121:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPptgHBBazM&feature=youtu.be

[gramsjdg]

They really need to get some microwave dishes on those communication rings -or at least faux ones. Looks really junky.

[hunser]

Nice find by Hudson:

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[NYguy]

More from those Dursts...


http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2014/07/08/sky-scrappers-for-savvy-durst-family-world-trade-center-deal-is-a-pinnacle/

Sky Scrappers: For Savvy Durst Family, World Trade Center Deal Is A Pinnacle


http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erincarlyle/files/2014/07/durst-e1404767759221.jpg

Douglas and Jody Durst on the 80th floor of One World Trade


July 21, 2014


...Since the Durst Organization stepped in three years ago to manage the building and leasing of New York’s symbol of post-9/11 recovery, only six tenants have signed up for space. Come November, when the building opens and magazine publisher Condé Nast moves in, the tower will be just 60% leased, Durst says. To boost that low figure the asking price for the tower’s middle floors recently dropped by 10%, to $69 per square foot.

For the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey and the citizens of those two states that ostensibly control it, that’s bad news: By latest count it’s shelling out nearly $4 billion to build One World Trade and $10.8 billion more to develop the rest of the site.

For the Dursts, on the other hand, it doesn’t matter much. They have just a 10% equity stake in the tower and a 99-year contract to run and lease it–all with little financial risk. Whether the building rents out next week or several years down the road, they win in the end: One World Trade will provide steady, solid revenue for future generations of their family real estate business, while growing in value at the same time. From a financial standpoint One World Trade is a third of a mile of pure upside.

Savvy deals like this have made the Dursts one of New York City’s great real estate dynasties, worth a collective $4.4 billion, according to FORBES, thanks to a real estate portfolio that includes 11 Manhattan skyscrapers, such as One Bryant Park, the third-tallest building on the island at 1,200 feet.


Aside from eccentricity the family shares another trait: a professed disdain for wasteful government spending and market intervention–and an uncanny knack for profiting from it. In 2007, when the “Freedom Tower,” as it was then being called, was still a messy hole in the ground, Durst, together with Anthony Malkin (whose family controls the Empire State Building), took out a full-page ad in New York newspapers urging governor Eliot Spitzer to slow construction down. Their argument: The Port Authority should wait to build the most important tower on the site until the four other towers were complete, so that One World Trade might capitalize on the others’ success. Durst and Malkin also railed against a plan (one that was ultimately jettisoned) to house government agencies in One World Trade: “Why, now, is the government planning to pay for the construction of an overly expensive design to be occupied by government agencies at overly expensive rents, all at the expense of taxpayers’ money which could be put to better uses?”

But when politicians plowed ahead, Durst won the contract to run the building anyway. And why not? “I was against it before it was built,” admits Durst, clad in a hard hat, black octagon-shaped glasses and his trademark green tie and socks, with a wry grin. “If there’s going to be subsidies handed out they should come our way.” … “That’s always our feeling.”



.....Seymour’s personal life was touched by tragedy: In 1950 his wife, Bernice, then 32, plunged to her death from the roof of their Scarsdale home, leaving behind four small children (Douglas, the second child, was just 6). Seymour never remarried, pouring himself into real estate and his many hobbies, including protests against unnecessary government encroachments.

To this end he formed the “Committee for a Reasonable World Trade Center,” fighting the Port Authority’s development of the tract his family now runs. In 1968 the committee took out a full-page advertisement in the New York Times , depicting the Twin Towers with a now-chilling rendering of an airplane heading for the skyscrapers’ upper floors. The point was not to predict a terrorist attack but to criticize the towers’ potential interference with flight navigation and television reception. Of course, they had other reasons for fighting the project. While now wistfully cherished, in the early 1970s the World Trade Center was basically 10 million square feet of government-funded office space that was dumped into the New York market–just as the city slid into a bitter recession.

Their fight against the Trade Center foreshadowed an even bigger public battle. Durst was among several prominent developers who had quietly rolled up dozens of parcels throughout Times Square. Some of his tenants were a seedy lot, including peep show operators, “massage parlors” and purveyors of all the other vices immortalized in seemingly every gritty movie of the 1970s.

By 1984 one single block on 42nd Street was generating 2,300 crimes a year. As with the World Trade Center, a quasi-governmental entity tried to change the game–dictating a $2.6 billion redevelopment, powered by $240 million in tax abatements granted to a different real estate kingpin, George Klein. Once again the Dursts went to war, filing three lawsuits, allegedly funding more than 40 others (the Dursts denied it) and inflaming the court of public opinion. (“Perhaps all that new office space will simply provide more consumers for the drug trafficking and other illicit activities that now characterize one of the most notorious blocks in the world,” wrote Seymour in a 1988 op-ed.) Helped by the poor economy, in the end they got what they wanted: redevelopment was stalled for most of the 1980s.

Then, in 1994, with the real estate market blooming, they pounced. Douglas bought the development rights from Klein–one of the city’s appointed developers and a target of a Durst lawsuit–picking up $100 million of the very tax breaks that the family had vigorously protested. “Yes, it’s ironic,” Durst told the New York Observer at the time, mirroring what he says now about the World Trade Center. “But we didn’t put the tax breaks in place. If they’re there, we’ll use them.”



.....In 2008 then-governor David Paterson appointed a new Port Authority chief, Chris Ward, who made one of the few good decisions stemming from Paterson’s feeble tenure. “We knew that the Port Authority’s skill set was not going to be developing the largest and most expensive office tower in America,” says Ward, who left the agency in 2011. Under his direction five developers were invited to bid on the project.

The Dursts, the bane of every World Trade Center proposal for decades, won out.

Why? They came up with the most advantageous financial arrangement, linking their management fee to cost savings for the Port Authority, says Ward. And while the Port required all bidders to put in $100 million for an equity stake in the building and agree to a 99-year contract, the Dursts sweetened their offer with a strategy they’d pioneered in past deals.



.....By the time the Dursts stepped in the skeleton of the tower was mostly built, but the family shaped its final form. Their management fee for overseeing the last phases of construction included a flat $15 million plus 75% of any cost savings up to $24 million and a declining percentage for cost savings gained beyond that. (The Port Authority must first agree to implement the Dursts’ suggested changes, then also agree that the Dursts originated the ideas and deserve to be paid.)

Incentivized, they took out the ax. They are already most of the way to their cost-savings benchmark: The Dursts have nabbed $14.5 million from changing items like venting out the side of the building instead of out the top and getting rid of the stainless steel steps on the plaza. Meanwhile, they’ve pushed the Port Authority to give them a cut of the savings from nixing a high-tech skin for the 408-foot spire on top of the tower. A raw look, the Dursts insisted, exposing the antenna and broadcast equipment inside, would suffice.




Please. I don't want to hear another explanation about the "impossibility" of maintaining the spire. It came down to cost cutting.

[weidncol]

So perhaps later down the road, it would be possible to cover the antenna part up. I hope, at least.

[JMGarcia]

Litigious durstbags. It's a shame people like this are rewarded by the system.

[forj]

75% of any cost savings up to $24 million

so basically losing the radome meant the Durst family could pocket some extra $$$. fantastic

[Thaniel]

So perhaps later down the road, it would be possible to cover the antenna part up. I hope, at least.

It's not gonna be covered. They've already said a cover around it would compromise the spire in strong wind.

[NYguy]

So perhaps later down the road, it would be possible to cover the antenna part up. I hope, at least.

If they didn't spend the money for it now, I hardly see Durst opening up to pay for that. It'll be in the family for 99 years, so maybe one of his generous descendants will think about it.
Don't count on it though.


Litigious durstbags. It's a shame people like this are rewarded by the system.

There's no shame there. They rage against something, and then when the shoe (or skyscraper) is on their foot, they're all for it.



They've already said a cover around it would compromise the spire in strong wind.

They've said a lot of things, none of which justifies leaving the mast exposed, (and most not true). But drink up.

You know, they had problems with the glass at the base. Maybe they should have left that exposed too, a match for the top.


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[Otie]

It's not gonna be covered. They've already said a cover around it would compromise the spire in strong wind.

PBS lied. The wind tunnel testing footage corresponds to an earlier design of the radome, helix strakes were added after the testing and the problem was solved.

[NYC GUY]

Noticed an orange netting going up behind the mechanical floor vents. Any ideas on what it's for?

[hunser]

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[Submariner]

Noticed an orange netting going up behind the mechanical floor vents. Any ideas on what it's for?

Dursts idea of quality touches for the building.

[JBoston]

I look at this tower everyday and a rage fills me when I see that spire. It looks so sad and unfinished. It really is a affront to the city. Its shameful.

[weidncol]

You'll get used to it, I know I have. People didn't like the original Twin Towers when they were built, but they became icons of the city. If people can get used to towers, I'm sure you can get used to a spire.

[chris08876]

From far away, I'm not a fan of the spire but once you get up close it doesn't look that bad. Quite nice actually. Granted the original was way better, I often wind up not looking at the spire and looking at awe at the rest of the this piece of art. The spire does look really nice at night though.

[Skyguy_7]

Let's all wait a few years til we discount it.. The structural expressionism in tower 3 will be of great compliment to the spire on 1WTC. As many have said, the spire has an "industrial feel," though it looks out of place among the crisp, modern glass surrounding it. Once 3WTC is complete, with its combination of exposed beams and smooth glass facade, the spire will make more sense. It will really bring the complex together.

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IFWT_OWTC3.jpg
^I see some Tower 3 in there..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Tower_3.jpg/240px-Tower_3.jpg

[CityGuy87]

Let's all wait a few years til we discount it.. The structural expressionism in tower 3 will be of great compliment to the spire on 1WTC. As many have said, the spire has an "industrial feel," though it looks out of place among the crisp, modern glass surrounding it. Once 3WTC is complete, with its combination of exposed beams and smooth glass facade, the spire will make more sense. It will really bring the complex together.

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IFWT_OWTC3.jpg
^I see some Tower 3 in there..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Tower_3.jpg/240px-Tower_3.jpg

Once the comm ring is filled with broadcast dishes, the transition between the building and its spire will appear a lot smoother as well.

[NewYorque]

^^^:

3WTC reminds me of the skyscrapers in Japan, especially in Tokyo, where most of the skyscrapers have that "industrial design". Especially famous buildings like Tokyo Metropolitan Bldg or Roppongi tower.
Apparent skeleton, glass facades, iron bars,....
I think 3WTC would be quite very well welcomed if it was built in the downtown of Tokyo.

Unfortunately the spire of 1WTC just doesn't go with the rest of the tower. It's like trying to mix two opposite designs in one building. It can't work.
I'm still waiting for the day when someone will give a radome to this tower.

[jayden]

Was by Goldman Sachs in Jersey City yesterday and my colleague was like, "doesn't the Freedom Tower look beautiful?"

I wanted to correct him so badly. :uhh:

[Skyguy_7]

^There's no shame in calling it that..

[O-tacular]

I look at this tower everyday and a rage fills me when I see that spire. It looks so sad and unfinished. It really is a affront to the city. Its shameful.

Sadly Durstdouche is a product of his environment, and hey if they reward his awful behaviour, and even pay him for it, can he really be blamed? In the end to me it seems like a ridiculous comedy of errors that culminated in the Port Authority trying to find savings, then putting a meat cleaver in the hands of someone with no aesthetic sensibilities whatsoever. They may as well have put a blind accountant in charge of the final design.

I still look forward to seeing it in person next summer. Maybe it's not as bad in real life, but I doubt it. The worst to me is how when it's lit up at night with the communication rings blacked out it looks even more disproportionate.

[O-tacular]

You'll get used to it, I know I have. People didn't like the original Twin Towers when they were built, but they became icons of the city. If people can get used to towers, I'm sure you can get used to a spire.

Those sound like the words of a rapist to his victim "You'll get used to it...". I'm sure Durst tells this to anyone who questions him about it.

[NYguy]

I look at this tower everyday and a rage fills me when I see that spire. It looks so sad and unfinished. It really is a affront to the city. Its shameful.

PBS lied. The wind tunnel testing footage corresponds to an earlier design of the radome, helix strakes were added after the testing and the problem was solved.

Of Course Durst lied. Everyone knows it was about cost saving. By then, everyone had basically had enough of WTC delays, and although the previous PA director wouldn't agree to the change, Durst got one who would. But like I said earlier, if they think looks didn't matter, why such the effort with cladding the base?



You'll get used to it, I know I have.

Just so you know, getting "used" to something is not the same as liking it. For example, you may be "used to" paying taxes, but that doesn't mean you have to like it. Mets fans may be "used to" not making the playoffs, but I'm sure they don't enjoy it. We may be "used to" security screenings at airports, but it's never fun.



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[chris123678]

Haven't posted here in a while, just been spectating.
I think the uncovered spire doesn't look to bad. In all honesty, I think it's better than what we thought it was to be this time a year ago, or 2? Getting old, can't remember. :haha:

It looks great a night. However, I think the antenna would have looked better with the spire during the day.

Rust on the spire is a future concern for me.

[sw5710]

Haven't posted here in a while, just been spectating.
I think the uncovered spire doesn't look to bad. In all honesty, I think it's better than what we thought it was to be this time a year ago, or 2? Getting old, can't remember. :haha:

It looks great a night. However, I think the antenna would have looked better with the spire during the day.

Rust on the spire is a future concern for me.

I don't think rust will be any more of a problem here then on any of the exposed masts in midtown. :)

[Enigmatism415]

^There's no shame in calling it that..

My hope is that the erection of 2WTC indirectly discourages the use of that banal nickname. I like to think of them as fraternal twins, as opposed to the identical ones of happier times.

[StrongIsland]

I just really wish they went with a cheaper lattice covering or something. Every time I pass this building everyday I think of what could have been and what should have been. Regardless it's a beautiful tower still. 2 WTC will be the real crown jewel out of the 4 though.

[CHAPINM1]

Something tells me that in the future, the spire will be modified. Almost all skyscrapers seem to go though a phase where they are revamped or improvements are made. During this time though it may not be in the cards; however, that doesn't mean that in the future it may not be taken into consideration. Just my two cents.

[WorldTradeCenter]

My hope is that the erection of 2WTC indirectly discourages the use of that banal nickname. I like to think of them as fraternal twins, as opposed to the identical ones of happier times.

I really dislike that name. I always have. I was really happy when they decided to use 'One World Trade Center' officially, instead. Freedom Tower...it's just too "Team America", honestly. :cheers:

[Enigmatism415]

I really dislike that name. I always have. I was really happy when they decided to use 'One World Trade Center' officially, instead. Freedom Tower...it's just too "Team America", honestly. :cheers:

Amen.

I think the re-branding should be taken a step further, though, so that the numbering system (e.g. 1WTC, 2WTC...7WTC) is used in conjunction with the 10048 zip code. The current addresses fragment the complex.

[Totojuice]

More from those Dursts...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2014/07/08/sky-scrappers-for-savvy-durst-family-world-trade-center-deal-is-a-pinnacle/

Sky Scrappers: For Savvy Durst Family, World Trade Center Deal Is A Pinnacle

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erincarlyle/files/2014/07/durst-e1404767759221.jpg

Douglas and Jody Durst on the 80th floor of One World Trade

July 21, 2014

Please. I don't want to hear another explanation about the "impossibility" of maintaining the spire. It came down to cost cutting.

DURSTBAGS. This article confirms what we all knew. It's just sad to see it in writing.

[gramsjdg]

How fitting that in the photo, the floor they are on is unfinished and uncladded- just like the spire, which is why by all true reckonings, WTC-1 is 1368 ft tall. An unfinished spire is not a spire. Period. The only architectural element on the spire is the housing for the beacon.
Its not finished, so it can't count towards height.
Get over it. :koko:

[NYguy]

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[Nexis4Jersey]

MOAR WTC photos

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[gramsjdg]

Behold the Elder Wand!... er, Deathstick!... umm, Wand of Destiny? :sly:

[eleven=11]

Behold the Elder Wand!... er, Deathstick!... umm, Wand of Destiny? :sly:

looks good.

[CityGuy87]

Behold the Elder Wand!... er, Deathstick!... umm, Wand of Destiny? :sly:

At night, it's the glow stick of destiny.

[NYguy]

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[NYC=WTC]

I think when the time is right and the cost of materials comes down significantly, then they will modernize they look of the antenna. The antenna was never meant to be uncovered. I think this issue is more about kickbacks and perks to the Durst family than feasibility. You can't tell me that they could not come up with a engineering resolution for a swaying building antenna.

[jd3189]

The old WTC ... I mean Beekman & 1WTC. :D

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Like the good old days...:cheers:

[Zapatan]

Ugh, Durst even looks like a D bag, what a lying sack of $%^@

[NYguy]

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