NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[NYguy]

View of overall construction at the WTC site:

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/WTCSiteOverlay8.jpg

[Daquan13]

Great pic, NYGUY!!

[LoyolaBeachView]

Sweet pic. Congrats on the progress guys.

[Dalton]

View of overall construction at the WTC site:

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/WTCSiteOverlay8.jpg

Holy crap. That photo certainly is a fine rebuttal to those who claim "nothing is happening" down there.

[Daquan13]

Indeed, there is a lot of stuff going on there.

A picture is worth a thousand words!

[Ghost]

Well that overall picture is from May... The Port Authority of NY&NJ is little bit late :) Here's more pics from may:

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/05/fredmtwr01.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/05/fredmtwr02.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/05/fredmtwr03.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/05/fredmtwr04.jpg

[thf5007]

Holy crap. That photo certainly is a fine rebuttal to those who claim "nothing is happening" down there.

I was down there today and saw the site from the side near 7 WTC. They are definitly working down there, though I understand peoples frustrations because it is taking awhile for there to be notable progress. People will be happy when they see steel rising.

[Daquan13]

I want to see that myself!

History will be made at Ground Zero!!

[CarlosV]

I want to see that myself!

History will be made at Ground Zero!!

HISTORY AGAIN...

[Daquan13]

Well, whenever something good occurs at Ground Zero, it is marked as a milestone, given the fact that this is is a major construction project.

[blue_dragon]

look at the earthcam site:

any idea what they're building between 1WTC and 2WTC? something seems to be under construction

[Ghost]

It's new temporary PATH station entrance I think... It will be the last one before the actual thing opens.

[Daquan13]

look at the earthcam site:

any idea what they're building between 1WTC and 2WTC? something seems to be under construction



Trust me, it's not 2 WTC. Not yet anyway. That more than likely is something else.

Towers 2 3 & 4 won't atart until sometime next year. And BTW, the "bathtub"
si still being put in. No taller towers can be built on that side until the tub is finished.

Silverstein is not going to give the green light until it is safe to do so.

[Totojuice]

I'm wondering if it's possible for a scenario to exist in which the builders of the Freedom Tower in New York state all of the building specifics publicly (specifically height), yet plan to build considerably higher than the plans indicate. Is it possible for them to keep the actual height secret from the public (along with possible competitors in other cities, i.e., Burj Dubai)? Or does our system of public approval processes etc eliminate this possibility?

Second part to this question: Apparently cities in the U.S. are not permitted to build structures taller than 2,000 feet, per FAA regulations. How flexible is this rule? How legally bound are American builders to this rule?

[GarCastle]

In regards to the FAA height, random quote relating to Phoenix:

The FAA, which works with the airlines to set the procedures, cannot control whether a high-rise is built, but it will make a ruling on whether the building poses a potential hazard.

Such was the situation several years ago when a plan to build the Arizona Cardinals football stadium in Tempe was scuttled because of its height and proximity to the airport.

In most cases, when the FAA rules that a proposed structure poses a risk, cities don't build it. But if a city opts to move forward, the FAA moves in and changes the flight procedures.

"We have to do what is right for the traveling public," said Donn Walker, the FAA's regional spokesman.

[Scruffy]

I'm wondering if it's possible for a scenario to exist in which the builders of the Freedom Tower in New York state all of the building specifics publicly (specifically height), yet plan to build considerably higher than the plans indicate. Is it possible for them to keep the actual height secret from the public (along with possible competitors in other cities, i.e., Burj Dubai)? Or does our system of public approval processes etc eliminate this possibility?

Second part to this question: Apparently cities in the U.S. are not permitted to build structures taller than 2,000 feet, per FAA regulations. How flexible is this rule? How legally bound are American builders to this rule?

no. there is so much scrutiny between city agencies including i believe a fire and police consultant that there really cant be that level of secrecy on height and size. very unlike dubai who can keep the height of a building hidden until its built. so 1368 and 1776 are the heights for the freedom tower. it wont surprisingly be taller. the only thing that can be kept secret in nyc towers is the look of it. renders do not have to be shown to the public. reference for that is gehry's beekman tower. long under construction and no one has a clue what it looks like

[Totojuice]

Thank you, I appreciate it. Below is an image of Beekman Tower that I found online....

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/06/05/love_for_sale_gehry_spills_beekman_to_the_times.php

[Ghost]

Thank you, I appreciate it. Below is an image of Beekman Tower that I found online....

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006_06_gehrybeekman.jpg
(I fixed the link)

[F1 Tommy]

They have a nice run down of FAA flight rules in the Chi Spire thread.

Cant wait to see this one rise out of the ground next year.
New York needs this:notacrook:

[NYguy]

It's new temporary PATH station entrance I think... It will be the last one before the actual thing opens.


That one will open by the end of the year. The new temporary one is on Church, just south of where the last one was.

[CHAPINM1]

They have a nice run down of FAA flight rules in the Chi Spire thread.

Cant wait to see this one rise out of the ground next year.
New York needs this:notacrook:

It will be increadible watching this and the Chi Spire rise at the same time... :yes:

[NYguy]

I was down there today and saw the site from the
side near 7 WTC. They are definitly working down there, though I understand
peoples frustrations because it is taking awhile for there to be notable
progress. People will be happy when they see steel rising.

That's true. This time next year, steel will be rising over the site, and every
tower except 5 will be under construction...:yes:

JULY 22, 2007

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[Patrick]

Woah Bankers Trust really is under demolition! Its short now! :(

[Daquan13]

Yeah, it's almost down to the height of Ninety West Street!

The dark dismal eyesore does not have much longer to go.

[CarlosV]

^
to me it was never an eyesore!!!! but a reminder of that terrible day



during happier days

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/96/DeutscheBank.jpg/385px-DeutscheBank.jpg

http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/images/130liberty.jpg


Amazing how it did not collapsed as the rest of the complex did :(


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/WTCgroundzero.jpg/800px-WTCgroundzero.jpg




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/jjj.jpg

[Daquan13]

Great pics, Pussy Willow!!

[blue_dragon]

looks like they're pouring concrete today!!

[Lecom]

To me it was an eyesore even before 9/11. Not bad in person, but a short fat stump on the skyline. I even remember thinking how it's a shame that it will probably never be demolished in our lifetimes.

[NYguy]

To me it was an eyesore even before 9/11. Not bad in person, but a short fat stump on the skyline. I even remember thinking how it's a shame that it will probably never be demolished in our lifetimes.

Sometimes fate works in our favor...but I never hated that tower. It was never really on my radar.

[charger1966]

OK I have a question. It seams that the core of the buildings usually rises before the outer shell. It's been almost a year and the core has not begun to rise. Why??? In Chicago the cores rise really fast why not here?

[Ghost]

I'm guessing that they have to sort of wait memorial foundations to be completed. Just a gues... But the core should rise later this summer/autumn...

[Daquan13]

I've been told that the core will rise with the reast of the tower - as in the case of 7 WTC.

I also thought that, but I don't think we'll see the core rising first, as in the case of the Comcast Center.

[Daquan13]

I've been told that the core will rise with the rest of the tower - as in the case of 7 WTC.

I also thought that, but I don't think we'll see the core rising first, as was the case of the Comcast Center.:shrug:

[Independence]

Yeah, it's almost down to the height of Ninety West Street!

The dark dismal eyesore does not have much longer to go.

Has never been an eyesore exept for the days since 9/11.

Its possible replacement has potential to become a true eyesore. Have you seen the renderings lately? The new Tower 5 looks like a giant urinal! :yuck:

I said it once and I'll say it again, it would be so cool if the site was used for a replica of the demolished SINGER BUILDING!!! :tup: :yes:

Or what?

Can somebody please forward this idea?

[CarlosV]

^

it would be an excellent proposal BUT the floor plates of the older Singer tower were so small that it would be impossible to get a tenant :(

If I was Carlos Slim I would built a replica of the Singer Tower :)

[CenIL_LA]

well I can hunt Slim down and ask when i get to Mexico tomorrow. Even my friend works in one of Carlos' businesses. I get fed up trying to call through a telmex cell phone sometimes though, owned by Slim. I miss the old modernistic block. Many great buildings have been lost in New York City through one thing or another. This time we can at least say it wasnt by choice but by events out of our control. I think the newer buildings at the site are quite nice though I wish they showed a bit more exploration. Construction in Chicago and New York vary because Chicagos bedrock is much deeper therefor foundations become easier to construct as needed without pain in the butt excavation. Buildings arne't rising quickly here either though, we have been seeing slow results that have made us just as impatient.

[CenIL_LA]

Nope, I dont actually know Slim

[Daquan13]

Has never been an eyesore exept for the days since 9/11.

Its possible replacement has potential to become a true eyesore. Have you seen the renderings lately? The new Tower 5 looks like a giant urinal! :yuck:

I said it once and I'll say it again, it would be so cool if the site was used for a replica of the demolished SINGER BUILDING!!! :tup: :yes:

Or what?

Can somebody please forward this idea?



I had originally wanted the building to be saved, but I soon realised that it's days were numbered once the insurers didn't want to pay for the tower to be repaired.

Yeah, the new tower that's planned to replace it DOES look like a urinal or commode.

[speedy1979]

I had originally wanted the building to be saved, but I soon realised that it's days were numbered once the insurers didn't want to pay for the tower to be repaired.

Yeah, the new tower that's planned to replace it DOES look like a urinal or commode.

Yes it will be called chasing the toilet.

[Daquan13]

Makes you kind of wonder if it was worth the trouble trying to repair this one or going for the gaint commode.

[seamus21514]

I was on an express bus today, and we passed by the WTC, and about maybe 5-10 feet above street level across from 7 WTC wa what truly looked like a core, with green steel, and the one of the large cranes were moving a large steel beam, like the ones that were put into december. I dunno what this is.

[NYguy]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2007-07-26T213248Z_01_N26468199_RTRIDST_0_NEWYORK-FREEDOMTOWER.XML

NY-NJ agency seeks Freedom Tower equity investors

Jul 26, 2007

NEW YORK, July 26 (Reuters) - The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey on Thursday said its financial adviser is seeking equity investors interested in buying a stake in the Freedom Tower, the centerpiece of the rebuilding site of the World Trade Center.

Selling all or part of the 1,776-foot (541 metre) skyscraper is not the only option.

The bi-state agency also wants partners that could help it raise capital for the $3 billion project, which might also rely on tax-free Liberty bonds, other project debt, and proceeds from insurance policies taken out on the World Trade Center.

The Port Authority on Thursday extended its contract with Jones Lang LaSalle, which will help it identify the "most advantageous structure to achieve the lowest cost of capital and highest risk adjusted return," according to board documents.

In February, the agency, which owns the 16-acre site in Lower Manhattan where the World Trade Center stood until the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, said real estate companies and hedge funds had expressed interest in buying the Freedom Tower.

The agency said six "leading" financial and real estate firms responded to its request for proposals to provide financial services for the project. It now is evaluating those responses.

Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman could not immediately identify the companies. He said it might take as long as six to 12 months to determine the best financing strategy for the Freedom Tower.

Port Authority Chairman, Anthony Coscia, after a board meeting, told reporters, LaSalle "will be looking at a whole variety of different mechanisms that we could use to finance in the most efficient manner the completion of construction of that project."

Asked if this could include bonds, he replied, "It would include all types of financing."


© Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.

[CarlosV]

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?&aid=72037&search_result=1&stid=8


:(

More Possible Human Remains Found At WTC Site

July 26, 2007

Workers have found 65 potential human remains at the World Trade Center site over the last two days.

The medical examiners office says they were recovered from the Liberty Street section of the site.

The remains will be tested to see if they belong to 9/11 victims.

City officials announced earlier this month that the search for remains was expanding and will continue for the foreseeable future.




http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=72031


September 11th Rescue Dog Dies Of Cancer

July 26, 2007

A black Labrador named Jake who became a four-legged hero in the aftermath of September 11th was put to sleep Wednesday after a battle with cancer.

The pup from Utah helped rescue workers search through the rubble at the World Trade Center site and later worked in Mississippi after Hurricane Katrina.

The 12-year-old was one of less than 200 federally-certified rescue dogs.

There have been reports from some rescue dog owners that their animals became sick from working at the Trade Center site.

Autopsy results on Jake's body will be part of a medical study of September 11th search-and-rescue dogs.

[Daquan13]

OMG!!

That's so sad. His name should be posted along the list of victims who died that day.

[NYonward]

PA: Freedom Tower rising
By Marlene Naanes, amNewYork Staff Writer
MNaanes@am-ny.com


July 27, 2007
The steel skeleton of the tallest building to replace the Twin Towers in the skyline will begin to soar next year, the Port Authority said.

"Progress at the Freedom Tower is moving rapidly forward," said Steven Plate, the authority's capital program director.

About 43,000 tons of steel will be used for the skeleton in the $76 million portion of the project authorized by the authority's board Thursday.

So far, contractors have poured nearly 10,000 cubic yards of concrete for the building's foundation and erected the initial structural steel columns for the tower, which will rise 1,776 feet and be completed in 2010. Five towers will eventually rise at the new World Trade Center.

The board also approved a $46 million project to build supportive walls for the museum, memorial and original World Trade Center site slurry wall. The support structure will allow museum visitors to see the original wall, which keeps the Hudson River from seeping into the site.

The board also approved a $13 million project to install 3-foot concrete-filled steel posts around some LaGuardia and Newark Liberty airport terminals to prevent vehicles from crashing into or driving explosives inside the buildings.

The first posts will be constructed by the end of the year around LaGuardia's Marine Air Terminal and Newark's Terminal B.

The authority will eventually construct posts around all 16 of the agency's owned and leased terminals.

The attack on Glasgow airport earlier this year didn't prompt the project, said authority Executive Director Anthony Shorris, "but obviously Glasgow reminds the importance of moving this forward."


Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.

[CHAPINM1]

OK I have a question. It seams that the core of the buildings usually rises before the outer shell. It's been almost a year and the core has not begun to rise. Why??? In Chicago the cores rise really fast why not here?

Remember in NYC the core rises usually behind the steel, look at Goldman Sachs and One Bryant Park. This has been discussed on the BOA thread among others... Even if you look at the BOA forum's current pictures, you'll see the massive core about 5 floors behind the rest of the structure.

[rbowk]

PA: Freedom Tower rising
By Marlene Naanes, amNewYork Staff Writer
MNaanes@am-ny.com


July 27, 2007
The steel skeleton of the tallest building to replace the Twin Towers in the skyline will begin to soar next year, the Port Authority said.

"Progress at the Freedom Tower is moving rapidly forward," said Steven Plate, the authority's capital program director.

About 43,000 tons of steel will be used for the skeleton in the $76 million portion of the project authorized by the authority's board Thursday.

So far, contractors have poured nearly 10,000 cubic yards of concrete for the building's foundation and erected the initial structural steel columns for the tower, which will rise 1,776 feet and be completed in 2010. Five towers will eventually rise at the new World Trade Center.

The board also approved a $46 million project to build supportive walls for the museum, memorial and original World Trade Center site slurry wall. The support structure will allow museum visitors to see the original wall, which keeps the Hudson River from seeping into the site.

The board also approved a $13 million project to install 3-foot concrete-filled steel posts around some LaGuardia and Newark Liberty airport terminals to prevent vehicles from crashing into or driving explosives inside the buildings.

The first posts will be constructed by the end of the year around LaGuardia's Marine Air Terminal and Newark's Terminal B.

The authority will eventually construct posts around all 16 of the agency's owned and leased terminals.

The attack on Glasgow airport earlier this year didn't prompt the project, said authority Executive Director Anthony Shorris, "but obviously Glasgow reminds the importance of moving this forward."


Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.

well thats good to no

[charger1966]

Remember in NYC the core rises usually behind the steel, look at Goldman Sachs and One Bryant Park. This has been discussed on the BOA thread among others... Even if you look at the BOA forum's current pictures, you'll see the massive core about 5 floors behind the rest of the structure.
OK May I ask what is the BOA ? and Please post a link,so I can read them. Thanks
Lance

[fleonzo]

OK May I ask what is the BOA ? and Please post a link,so I can read them. Thanks
Lance

Click here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=44861&page=78

[theWatusi]

OK May I ask what is the BOA ? and Please post a link,so I can read them. Thanks
Lance


http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/gallery/d/7807-1/Boa+Constrictor.jpg

[charger1966]

Thank you fleonzo I appreciate that link. And I see that the core to that building is 8 floors below the steel.
Lance

[Dr. Taco]

ok, so, nobody may care, but i just watched world trade center, and all i can say is, God bless the Freedom Tower! hurry up and stand tall, please!

[Daquan13]

ok, so, nobody may care, but i just watched world trade center, and all i can say is, God bless the Freedom Tower! hurry up and stand tall, please!



Aint THAT the truth!!!

This thing is going to be AWESOME!! When completed!

You'll be totally captivated, intrigued and just dazzled by this monster as you gaze upward to the top from the sides of the building in awe!!!

And it should be done well before the CS, given that it got started last year.:banana:

[RockMont]

Aint THAT the truth!!!

This thing is going to be AWESOME!! When completed!

You'll be totally captivated, intrigued and just dazzled by this monster as you gaze upward to the top from the sides of the building in awe!!!

And it should be done well before the CS, given that it got started last year.:banana:



Yes! And Bin Laden is going to be so pissed off and frustrated, that he can't keep this great country down, the son of a bitch won't know what to do! So take that, motherfucker!!!:hell:

[Independence]

:previous:

Allright. And now, please let's get back to the Freedom Tower or 1WTC or whatever you wanna call it. :frog:

[Lecom]

This thing is going to be AWESOME!! When completed!

Sure is. You haven't even seen the best part - the material they will use to cover the wall right behind the entrance. It's crazy. It's highly reflective, yet it reflects everything as blurry-ish shapes in very bright and not true-to-life colors (ex. green things may be reflected as bright purple, etc). When we were doing material testing on a mockup about 6-12 inches tall last year, it gave me that Christmas feeling of cheer immediately, though it was mid-summer. I was in a good mood for the whole day afterwards, ib big part because I watched such a groovy display. It's trippy, and I can't wait till it takes up a massive lobby wall. And I'm not even talking about the spire lighting tests we did, which is a whole other story.

[CarlosV]

courtesy of Myfreebird flickr

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1034/942643680_11a1cc876f_b.jpg

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/it-seems-that-freedom-is-just-another-name-for-1-world-trade-center/



July 30, 2007, 11:24 am
It Seems That Freedom Is Just Another Name for 1 World Trade Center
By David W. Dunlap


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/30/nyregion/30freedom.190.jpg

The Freedom Tower column, painted white above, was the first to be set in place last December, but now is getting lost — perhaps like the name itself. (Photo: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times)

Four years ago, Gov. George E. Pataki bestowed the name Freedom Tower on the tallest building planned for ground zero. Now, as the 1,776-foot high tower is finally taking form, is the name slowly fading from view?

In a news release last week, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey referred to the structure as “1 World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower.”
That seems to suggest that the more straightforward designation now gets top billing, to go along with 7 World Trade Center, which has already been rebuilt, and Nos. 2, 3 and 4 World Trade Center, which have been designed.

The “Freedom Tower” name has come in for its share of criticism and mockery. Christopher Hawthorne of Slate called the name inane and “bluntly jingoistic.” Curbed once quipped, “Freedom Tower, Now With 34% More Freedom!”

(The evolving design has drawn plenty of criticism too: Nicolai Ouroussoff, the architecture critic of The Times, said the fortress-like tower embodied “a world shaped by fear.” His predecessor, Herbert Muschamp, called it “a piece of bombast.”)

[Dalton]

courtesy of Myfreebird flickr

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1034/942643680_11a1cc876f_b.jpg

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/it-seems-that-freedom-is-just-another-name-for-1-world-trade-center/



July 30, 2007, 11:24 am
It Seems That Freedom Is Just Another Name for 1 World Trade Center
By David W. Dunlap


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/30/nyregion/30freedom.190.jpg

The Freedom Tower column, painted white above, was the first to be set in place last December, but now is getting lost — perhaps like the name itself. (Photo: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times)

Four years ago, Gov. George E. Pataki bestowed the name Freedom Tower on the tallest building planned for ground zero. Now, as the 1,776-foot high tower is finally taking form, is the name slowly fading from view?

In a news release last week, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey referred to the structure as “1 World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower.”
That seems to suggest that the more straightforward designation now gets top billing, to go along with 7 World Trade Center, which has already been rebuilt, and Nos. 2, 3 and 4 World Trade Center, which have been designed.

The “Freedom Tower” name has come in for its share of criticism and mockery. Christopher Hawthorne of Slate called the name inane and “bluntly jingoistic.” Curbed once quipped, “Freedom Tower, Now With 34% More Freedom!”

(The evolving design has drawn plenty of criticism too: Nicolai Ouroussoff, the architecture critic of The Times, said the fortress-like tower embodied “a world shaped by fear.” His predecessor, Herbert Muschamp, called it “a piece of bombast.”)

I agree with all these sentiments. The building should pay more homage to the 19 brave warriors of Islam who martyred themselves on 9/11. "Freedom Tower" is an insulting and embarassing name, as is the 1776 ft height. I suggest a tower with a roof height of 570 feet, representing the birth of the Prophet Mohammed and a spire height of 1968 feet, representing the birth year of Mohamed Atta. The building should be oriented such that every September 11th a beam of light gleams along an axis running through the western mountain region of Pakistan to honor the great leader who made 1WTC possible. This, no doubt, will satisfy Islamic terrorists to the point where they may allow the tower to remain standing.

But wait. "One World Trade Center"? Isn't "One" really a boastful claim? Typical American hubris to claim the building is #1! I don't think there should be a building #1. Labelling should start at #2 and go down from there. Also, the idea of a "world trade center" smacks of capitalist imperialism. This title should be dropped. I suggest that the building simply be known by its street address. That would be much better - perhaps even 34% better.

But wait, the building will be close to the intersection of West St. and Liberty St. How embarrassing! In order to further insure the new construction does not inflame the Islamists and placates liberal New York reporters, West Street could be renamed Middle East Street, Liberty Street could be renamed Abu Ghaib St, lower Manhattan could be named Upper Mohammed, and Tribeca could be recast as TriMecca.

[Dac150]

I agree with all these sentiments. The building should pay more homage to the 19 brave warriors of Islam who martyred themselves on 9/11. "Freedom Tower" is an insulting and embarassing name, as is the 1776 ft height. I suggest a tower with a roof height of 570 feet, representing the birth of the Prophet Mohammed and a spire height of 1968 feet, representing the birth year of Mohamed Atta. The building should be oriented such that every September 11th a beam of light gleams along an axis running through the western mountain region of Pakistan to honor the great leader who made 1WTC possible. This, no doubt, will satisfy Islamic terrorists to the point where they may allow the tower to remain standing.

But wait. "One World Trade Center"? Isn't "One" really a boastful claim? Typical American hubris to claim the building is #1! I don't think there should be a building #1. Labelling should start at #2 and go down from there. Also, the idea of a "world trade center" smacks of capitalist imperialism. This title should be dropped. I suggest that the building simply be known by its street address. That would be much better - perhaps even 34% better.

But wait, the building will be close to the intersection of West St. and Liberty St. How embarrassing! In order to further insure the new construction does not inflame the Islamists and placates liberal New York reporters, West Street could be renamed Middle East Street, Liberty Street could be renamed Abu Ghaib St, lower Manhattan could be named Upper Mohammed, and Tribeca could be recast as TriMecca.


ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKEN MIND!!!????? "Pay tribute and dedicate this building to those animals"???????

Did I read this right, or are you just a sick person??????????:hell: :hell:

[CarlosV]

I think he was being sarcastic...the NY Times critis i believe are muslims...

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[Dac150]

As long as he wasn't serious, then I'm fine.

[Daquan13]

I agree with all these sentiments. The building should pay more homage to the 19 brave warriors of Islam who martyred themselves on 9/11. "Freedom Tower" is an insulting and embarassing name, as is the 1776 ft height. I suggest a tower with a roof height of 570 feet, representing the birth of the Prophet Mohammed and a spire height of 1968 feet, representing the birth year of Mohamed Atta. The building should be oriented such that every September 11th a beam of light gleams along an axis running through the western mountain region of Pakistan to honor the great leader who made 1WTC possible. This, no doubt, will satisfy Islamic terrorists to the point where they may allow the tower to remain standing.

But wait. "One World Trade Center"? Isn't "One" really a boastful claim? Typical American hubris to claim the building is #1! I don't think there should be a building #1. Labelling should start at #2 and go down from there. Also, the idea of a "world trade center" smacks of capitalist imperialism. This title should be dropped. I suggest that the building simply be known by its street address. That would be much better - perhaps even 34% better.

But wait, the building will be close to the intersection of West St. and Liberty St. How embarrassing! In order to further insure the new construction does not inflame the Islamists and placates liberal New York reporters, West Street could be renamed Middle East Street, Liberty Street could be renamed Abu Ghaib St, lower Manhattan could be named Upper Mohammed, and Tribeca could be recast as TriMecca.



Are you out of your cotten picking mind?! Who pissed in YOUR corn flakes this morning? Surely, you can't be serious. You gotta be joking, right?

But seriously, why must you come here and spread such hatred as that? This is very distasteful and should be edited.

Those 19 men were NOT brave warriors! They are more acturately described as sick cowards who caused well over 2,000 innocent people to die needlessly.

And if you believe that those 19 cockroaches were heros, then you seriously need your head examined. You're beginning to sound like a terrorist yourself! Sure you're not one?:koko:

[malec]

Holy christ! Where's the humour from this board gone :lol:

[slurrey]

Hahahahahaha sarcasm, I love it :)

[Daquan13]

Joking or otherwise, I'd NEVER say a thing like that.

Because it's not a joke that those 19 madmen made an awful lot of people die
that day.

They were serious as a heart attack and even though they drove home a serious point, it was a sick dastardly diabolical one that had changed the lives of many all over the world.

Hence the Freedom Tower will proudly reclaim the skies over LM and restore pride and dignity in New York.

[Dac150]

That was very uncalled for and immature.

[Locofresh55]

As a New Yorker, I'M PISSED and OFFENDED. To even make light of what these 19 guys did is just uncalled for. 3000 people died that day and there is no room for humor in this day that WILL live in INFAMY. WHAT THE FUCK is going through someone's head in making a joke like that. Seriously.....inappropriate.

[wong21fr]

Did anyone at all notice that Dalton's post was satirical response to some of the points made in the article by David Dunlap regarding the name and design of the Freedom Tower?

Or did you all just fly off the handle?

[Dalton]

I thought it was quite obvious that it was sarcasm directed toward those who wish to bury the name "Freedom Tower" because it is "jingoistic" or "embarassing", or those who simply want to forget that 9/11 was an act or WAR against the United States and all it stands for, not simply a criminal act by a handful of misguided hijackers.

Why not evoke a little anger toward those who want to forget the attrocity of 9/11 or minimize it by denying the intent behind the targeting of the WTC? How about a little anger toward those who laugh and sneer at the mere mention of the word "freedom" as hokey or old-fashioned or "jingoistic? How about getting angry at the implication that 9/11 was somehow deserved or can be justified? That's what pisses ME off!

As much as many New Yorkers want to put the whole "incident" behind them and as much as some New York media liberals associate the term "Freedom" with right-wing (or even just Republican) politicians, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center has NATIONAL importance. The new towers rising at the World Trade Center are a symbol of American resilience and rebirth - not just New York's rebirth. Sorry, but it's true. The whole rebuilt center will be known as the World Trade Center. There will be a memorial to honor and reflect on the loss of 3000 souls, including the brave heroes who sacrificed their lives trying to save others. But the tallest tower demands an iconic name that represents the strongest ideal and aspiration of the America people, even as we struggle toward its full realization.

[Dalton]

I think when all is said and done, the Freedom Tower will not only be recognized as a bold addition to the lower Manhattan skyline but, with the base treatment I envision from the renderings, an elegant and inspiring building at ground level as well.

Askew latticework with wind turbines and hanging gardens be damned. This building is forthright and resolute. It definitely will not be a "bunker" or a monument to fear any more than the Washington Monument is. Let 2 WTC provide the subtleties the critics demand...

[Dr. Taco]

As a New Yorker, I'M PISSED and OFFENDED. To even make light of what these 19 guys did is just uncalled for. 3000 people died that day and there is no room for humor in this day that WILL live in INFAMY. WHAT THE FUCK is going through someone's head in making a joke like that. Seriously.....inappropriate.

straight-faced sarcasm is not equivalent to making a joke. and as an AMERICAN, you should be even more pissed that there are powerful snobs out there who don't want to name it Freedom Tower because they don't want to offend anyone

[Rise To The Top]

I <3 you Dalton! Daquan, go get hit by a bus, or learn what sarcasm is. Either one is fine.

Looks like they have made some progress since my last visit, I was hoping for a bit more. When is it supposed to be above ground again? 2009?

Also, to carry on the current argument of the name, they should drop the name Freedom Tower. Sounds kinda silly, but I understand the importance. 1 WTC sounds good.

[Trojan in NYC]

I thought it was quite obvious that it was sarcasm directed toward those who wish to bury the name "Freedom Tower" because it is "jingoistic" or "embarassing", or those who simply want to forget that 9/11 was an act or WAR against the United States and all it stands for, not simply a criminal act by a handful of misguided hijackers.

Why not evoke a little anger toward those who want to forget the attrocity of 9/11 or minimize it by denying the intent behind the targeting of the WTC? How about a little anger toward those who laugh and sneer at the mere mention of the word "freedom" as hokey or old-fashioned or "jingoistic? How about getting angry at the implication that 9/11 was somehow deserved or can be justified? That's what pisses ME off!

As much as many New Yorkers want to put the whole "incident" behind them and as much as some New York media liberals associate the term "Freedom" with right-wing (or even just Republican) politicians, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center has NATIONAL importance. The new towers rising at the World Trade Center are a symbol of American resilience and rebirth - not just New York's rebirth. Sorry, but it's true. The whole rebuilt center will be known as the World Trade Center. There will be a memorial to honor and reflect on the loss of 3000 souls, including the brave heroes who sacrificed their lives trying to save others. But the tallest tower demands an iconic name that represents the strongest ideal and aspiration of the America people, even as we struggle toward its full realization.

Why do have a problem with people that think the name "Freedom Tower" sounds jingoistic? IMO it does sound jingoistic.

[Independence]

Oh man.:(

I can imagine that some of you guys felt intimidated by the 'sarcasm' that our friend has spread above. I don't want to judge if it's adequate to call murderers heroes, even if meant as a joke, but i think it is necessary to see the text as a whole.

It sure is right in the face, but it is sarcasm. Nobody declared the barbarian acts that happened that sad day as holy, or the people who have done this to thousands of innocents as heroes. How? Because it is sarcasm, which doesn't have to represent the writers opinion.

Whether you felt this to be appropriate or not, the fact is that the text by Pussy Willow was NOT SERIOUS. I think that I can guarantee that he is not the one that really thinks this way.

[CarlosV]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/06/29/nyregion/tower_slide_4.jpg

no matter what the name it will be breathtaking!!

:tup:

http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg

[Daquan13]

And it will STILL be called the Freedom Tower by many!

[statler]

^^ And that name will still be mocked (deservedly so) by many. :rolleyes:

[witchypoo]

I agree with all these sentiments. The building should pay more homage to the 19 brave warriors of Islam who martyred themselves on 9/11. "Freedom Tower" is an insulting and embarassing name, as is the 1776 ft height.

I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but unfortunately there are some non-muslims that think this way..... Like Ward Churchill and other pro-Communists.

I like the name "Freedom Tower", but as America slips further and further into Socialism, and we become more and more controlled by PC thought/speech control police, I'm not so sure "Freedom Tower" pertains to this society. Or at least it won't in the future.

[Atlriser]

Dalton -- I love your intellect and thought your remarks brilliant. Sarcasm at its best! Well said and well written. Some just lack basic understanding of a great literary technique used by brilliant minds throughout history to prove their point by making a mockery of a counterpoint. Thanks I had to print your remarks and put them up on my cork board at work...hope you don't mind?!

[Dac150]

I personally prefer the name "1 WTC". I never liked the name "Freedom Tower". To me it takes away the business aspect of the new complex. A memorial is being built, there is no need the memorialize the entire complex.

Thats just my opinion.

[Rise To The Top]

I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but unfortunately there are some non-muslims that think this way..... Like Ward Churchill and other pro-Communists.

Hey, I'm Pro Communistic. Do you have a problem with that?

Also, nice renderings Carlos.

[northbay]

Hey, I'm Pro Communistic. Do you have a problem with that?

^ simple logic on this one:
the power of many > the power of one ;)

as for the name "freedom tower", its def jingoistic.

"1wtc" i like tho. ill prob get hated on for sayin this, i liked daniel liebskind's (or however u spell it) original design better. the new design is aight, but ill reserve my final judgment until the building is finished and ive seen it in person.

[NYonward]

I thought it was quite obvious that it was sarcasm directed toward those who wish to bury the name "Freedom Tower" because it is "jingoistic" or "embarassing", or those who simply want to forget that 9/11 was an act or WAR against the United States and all it stands for, not simply a criminal act by a handful of misguided hijackers.

Why not evoke a little anger toward those who want to forget the attrocity of 9/11 or minimize it by denying the intent behind the targeting of the WTC? How about a little anger toward those who laugh and sneer at the mere mention of the word "freedom" as hokey or old-fashioned or "jingoistic? How about getting angry at the implication that 9/11 was somehow deserved or can be justified? That's what pisses ME off!

As much as many New Yorkers want to put the whole "incident" behind them and as much as some New York media liberals associate the term "Freedom" with right-wing (or even just Republican) politicians, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center has NATIONAL importance. The new towers rising at the World Trade Center are a symbol of American resilience and rebirth - not just New York's rebirth. Sorry, but it's true. The whole rebuilt center will be known as the World Trade Center. There will be a memorial to honor and reflect on the loss of 3000 souls, including the brave heroes who sacrificed their lives trying to save others. But the tallest tower demands an iconic name that represents the strongest ideal and aspiration of the America people, even as we struggle toward its full realization.

It's very simple-minded to think that Al Qaeda attacked us because of "Freedom". They attacked us because of their perception of how our policies affect them. To have such a basic misunderstanding about this with all the information available is unacceptable in my opinion. It's not about politics, it's about truth.

[j korzeniowski]

wow, a lot of scary people in this thread. "freedom tower" is jingoistic and just cheapens the word, but that is the current state of this country. the words "patriot" and even "american" have been hijacked for jingoistic aims.

i also agree that the design is "meh", but at least nyc will be getting at least one 1,368' building back.

[Daquan13]

Thanks for the pic, Pussy Willow!

The last one shows the extreme massiveness of the base alone, after the tower is built

[StarScraperCity]

http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg

I'm so glad the original design of the base was dropped in favor of this. The original steel design would have been so hideous. This design actually has a bit of class to it.

[CoolCzech]

Yeah, I think the base of the Freedom Tower will be just fine. Between this great new building, and all the other spectacular structures coming, the former "Ground Zero" will be a world wonder. Who knows... even 5 WTC might just turn out far better than we think. For all the delays, it's nice to see that it actually paid off with some world class design...

[JMininger]

courtesy of Myfreebird flickr

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1034/942643680_11a1cc876f_b.jpg

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/it-seems-that-freedom-is-just-another-name-for-1-world-trade-center/



July 30, 2007, 11:24 am
It Seems That Freedom Is Just Another Name for 1 World Trade Center
By David W. Dunlap


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/30/nyregion/30freedom.190.jpg

The Freedom Tower column, painted white above, was the first to be set in place last December, but now is getting lost — perhaps like the name itself. (Photo: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times)

Four years ago, Gov. George E. Pataki bestowed the name Freedom Tower on the tallest building planned for ground zero. Now, as the 1,776-foot high tower is finally taking form, is the name slowly fading from view?

In a news release last week, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey referred to the structure as “1 World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower.”
That seems to suggest that the more straightforward designation now gets top billing, to go along with 7 World Trade Center, which has already been rebuilt, and Nos. 2, 3 and 4 World Trade Center, which have been designed.

The “Freedom Tower” name has come in for its share of criticism and mockery. Christopher Hawthorne of Slate called the name inane and “bluntly jingoistic.” Curbed once quipped, “Freedom Tower, Now With 34% More Freedom!”

(The evolving design has drawn plenty of criticism too: Nicolai Ouroussoff, the architecture critic of The Times, said the fortress-like tower embodied “a world shaped by fear.” His predecessor, Herbert Muschamp, called it “a piece of bombast.”)

Hey, NY Times ... your momma!

There. Hope that my biting sarcasm didn't offend anyone.

[CTownsFinest216]

i hope this building is never built :D


Amazing how it did not collapsed as the rest of the complex did

probably because bombs werent placed inside and detonated like in 1 WTC, 2 WTC, and 7 WTC

amazing how these supposed "terrorists" passports could be found all clean and sparkly amongst the rubble yet no black box was ever found


Those 19 men were NOT brave warriors! They are more acturately described as sick cowards who caused well over 2,000 innocent people to die needlessly.

funny that most of those 19 men are still alive today

[GVNY]

Take it somewhere else.

[Dac150]

i hope this building is never built :D



probably because bombs werent placed inside and detonated like in 1 WTC, 2 WTC, and 7 WTC

amazing how these supposed "terrorists" passports could be found all clean and sparkly amongst the rubble yet no black box was ever found



funny that most of those 19 men are still alive today

There is no room for your ingonrance, stupidity, and lack of sanity on this thread. Take you nonsense elsewhere. :maddown:

I think I speak for everyone.:yes:

[StarScraperCity]

i hope this building is never built :D

probably because bombs werent placed inside and detonated like in 1 WTC, 2 WTC, and 7 WTC

amazing how these supposed "terrorists" passports could be found all clean and sparkly amongst the rubble yet no black box was ever found

funny that most of those 19 men are still alive today

lol, you got this from Loose Change, didn't you? That piece of crap was disproved by dozens of independent sources. Why do you think that damn thing has had multiple versions made? Because they needed to cover the many flaws that they spewed the first time around.

[rich_200]

i hope this building is never built :D



I hope you get banned :tup:

[Dac150]

I hope you get banned :tup:

Agreed.

This guy is nothing but an insecure ignorant person. Let time do it's magic. This forumer will not be around much longer.:tup:

[JMininger]

i hope this building is never built :D



probably because bombs werent placed inside and detonated like in 1 WTC, 2 WTC, and 7 WTC

amazing how these supposed "terrorists" passports could be found all clean and sparkly amongst the rubble yet no black box was ever found



funny that most of those 19 men are still alive today

You have got to be kidding. :koko: Either that or you have to be one of the most gullible people alive.

[CarlosV]

:gaah:

This idiot CTownsFinest216 just wants attention....

[CarlosV]

July 31, 2007

on my way from 60 Wall street, I took a detour to the WTC construction site......most of the sidewalk is closed....except for the area around the PATH entrance.............

the whole area is buzzing with activity.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture347.jpg


:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture349.jpg



:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture352.jpg



:(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture354.jpg


tourists most likely from the midwest...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture356.jpg



:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture357.jpg

[JMininger]

Thanks for the update! I'm glad to hear there is a lot of activity on the site. It just feels like these projects are taking forever to see any measurable progress. Out of any of the supertalls currently under construction, there is no doubt that these will get built but sometimes I wonder what is going on behind the scenes. I am anxiously waiting to see something coming out of the ground.

The jury is still out for me as far as the design for the Freedom Tower (or 1 WTC :shrug: ) but it is 2 WTC that I really want to see.

[CarlosV]

Keep your panties on young jedi.....progress soon you will see LOL :hi:

[Daquan13]

:gaah:

This idiot CTownsFinest216 just wants attention....



You are so right, Pussy Willow!!!

He has nothing else better to do than to trash this thread with that conspiracy theory crap about 09-11! You'd think by now that we'd have heard the last of this and have had enough of it!

He needs to go get a damn life!!