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Nomadd22
Oct 9, 2013, 8:28 PM
The communication ring is like any other floor in the building. It will be leased by tenants for their specific broadcast needs. When those tenants lease space, and build out their space, that is when you will see broadcast dishes and such begin to occupy the ring. I would guess that will not be until the building opens next year-ish. Remember the dishes on the roof need to link to equipment in the building on the broadcasting floors in order to function. Those floors won't be ready to be occupied for some time.

Also, there is no guarantee that the equipment that will be mounted to the rings will look anything like what we see in the building renderings. So, prepare yourself for something that may look quite different from what you have come to expect.

I doubt if you'll ever see it fill up with dishes. Point to point dishes are dying out fast as fiber takes over the backbone work. TV broadcast would probably be on the mast and I'm not sure if any LTE networks really want that kind of height. Phone networks need to keep coverage areas small in big cities so they can reuse frequencies as much as possible. I'm not sure what customers need that real estate bad enough to pay the sort of rental they're going to want.

NYguy
Oct 9, 2013, 10:56 PM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152797008/original.jpg

GeorgiaBoy24
Oct 10, 2013, 12:14 AM
Every time I see a covered spire rendering I cringe. :yuck: I still can't understand why the Port Authority chose to do this.

supertallchaser
Oct 10, 2013, 1:14 AM
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152797008/original.jpg

thats the super slim condo right? :???:

chris08876
Oct 10, 2013, 2:43 AM
^^^ Guy is probably admiring WTC2 more than the girl. Eh, i can't blame him. :yes:

GeorgiaBoy24
Oct 10, 2013, 3:23 AM
^^^ Dat glass :D

Harley613
Oct 10, 2013, 3:43 AM
Every time I see a covered spire rendering I cringe. :yuck: I still can't understand why the Port Authority chose to do this.

edit: decided my rant was uncalled for

Yackemflaber69
Oct 10, 2013, 4:40 AM
[QUOTE=hunser;6296300]By TheCap'n

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3690/10100802303_7dc1c7e4a6_k.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/4949378827_9df47641ee_b.jpg

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=184976&page=4

NYguy
Oct 10, 2013, 5:36 AM
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Yackemflaber69
Oct 10, 2013, 5:54 AM
nice pics NYguy

drumz0rz
Oct 10, 2013, 4:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Yks0Ky6.jpg
Source: Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1o55t2/the_completed_come_world_trade_center_stands_out/)

Hudson11
Oct 10, 2013, 5:23 PM
:worship: no words

WTCman7301
Oct 10, 2013, 6:12 PM
I'm in awe in that photo!

QUEENSNYMAN
Oct 10, 2013, 6:17 PM
I'm in awe in that photo!

Love how One World shines on the Harbor, it truly is a stunning picture:tup:

jsr
Oct 10, 2013, 6:22 PM
Drool

kpdrummer82
Oct 10, 2013, 6:41 PM
Can someone please explain to me what that structure is at the base? It's obviously not too temporary seeing as how they are putting up external walls...

The North One
Oct 10, 2013, 7:23 PM
^^^ Guy is probably admiring WTC2 more than the girl. Eh, i can't blame him. :yes:

The dude is hot as f*ck. :slob:

Must figure out his identity!

Nexis4Jersey
Oct 10, 2013, 8:12 PM
World Trade Center viewed from Weehawken

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7309/10191576965_46ef3dcb99_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191576965/)
021 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191576965/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7387/10191575825_e6435f269c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191575825/)
026 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191575825/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2871/10191654003_3349b29382_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191654003/)
056 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191654003/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/10191602716_08845ce401_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191602716/)
062 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/10191602716/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

jd3189
Oct 11, 2013, 1:23 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Yks0Ky6.jpg
Source: Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1o55t2/the_completed_come_world_trade_center_stands_out/)

This tower and the rest of the complex will not only dominate by size, but also by luminosity. Basically a beacon in itself leading all to NYC.

NYguy
Oct 11, 2013, 2:13 AM
This tower and the rest of the complex will not only dominate by size, but also by luminosity. Basically a beacon in itself leading all to NYC.

The building really does shine in the light that way. I see a lot of live shots on television, and the tower always shines in the light.



questforfire2010 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/behyar/10182623233/sizes/h/in/photostream/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3707/10182623233_cf39506dc6_h.jpg



JayKumar Photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaranini/10188777004/sizes/h/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5523/10188777004_3ee33ec7f0_h.jpg



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WonderlandPark
Oct 11, 2013, 3:50 AM
^^ that first photo is SICK, looks like CG from a movie or something

NYGrail
Oct 11, 2013, 4:23 AM
Does anyone else hope that they install lighting at the top portion of the building where the ventilation vents are? It looks really awkward with 1/3 of the top being in the dark like that. When I watch News4 nbc they have their anchors in front of the downtown skyline and right now at night all you see is the blinking red beacon light at the tippy top and then total darkness until the upper floors start again.

NYdude
Oct 11, 2013, 4:33 AM
I think some renders show an illuminated ventilation vents. The lights might be turned on later as the rest of the lights Ares still just construction lights. I could be wrong though.

uaarkson
Oct 11, 2013, 12:40 PM
Does anyone else hope that they install lighting at the top portion of the building where the ventilation vents are? It looks really awkward with 1/3 of the top being in the dark like that. When I watch News4 nbc they have their anchors in front of the downtown skyline and right now at night all you see is the blinking red beacon light at the tippy top and then total darkness until the upper floors start again.

Yes, the mechanical floors will eventually be lit by LEDs.

tdawg
Oct 11, 2013, 1:13 PM
This amazing photo was taken by James Kastner (by way of MOSSfull magazine and Reddit). There's something very Coruscant about NYC in this pic.

http://www.tonygamino.com/tumblr_mugu3crZdL1qa7r5jo1_1280.jpg

Reddit link: http://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1o55t2/the_completed_one_world_trade_center_stands_out/

ArtDecoRevival
Oct 11, 2013, 2:06 PM
It is an amazing building in many respects :slob: . We focus so much on what's missing (the spire, the original base), that we don't appreciate what we got.

Remember we were very close to getting this kind of uninspired crap at one point: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2002/12/18/nyregion/18wtc.slide6.jpg

Or this unworkable mess:
http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/T/H/libeskind01.jpg

Nothing ever ends exactly as you want and there are always disappointments (and yeah, the spire was a big one), but I think we succeeded more than we failed with One WTC as is, considering all the obstacles in its way.

drumz0rz
Oct 11, 2013, 2:09 PM
This amazing photo was taken by James Kastner (by way of MOSSfull magazine and Reddit). There's something very Coruscant about NYC in this pic.
Beat you to it (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6298242&postcount=33512) :pepper:It's ok though, it's so nice we get to see it twice :tup:

hunser
Oct 11, 2013, 3:27 PM
bonnarphoto
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsg999/10205011344/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5534/10205011344_72ab34149e_h.jpg

NYguy
Oct 11, 2013, 6:43 PM
It is an amazing building in many respects :slob: . We focus so much on what's missing (the spire, the original base), that we don't appreciate what we got.

Nothing ever ends exactly as you want and there are always disappointments (and yeah, the spire was a big one), but I think we succeeded more than we failed with One WTC as is,
considering all the obstacles in its way.

I think the vast majority of the people understand and appreciate that we got something back on the skyline. However, the disgraceful way in which this came about and continues to unfold
is inexcusable, particularly in light of what this site represents. This is no "mere" disappointment. I could probably show you many more "better" designs than I can "worse", but that's besides the point.



Anyway, an older but awesome photo from ...
https://www.facebook.com/NYonAir


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152820902/original.jpg

cadiomals
Oct 11, 2013, 9:25 PM
It is an amazing building in many respects :slob: . We focus so much on what's missing (the spire, the original base), that we don't appreciate what we got.

Remember we were very close to getting this kind of uninspired crap at one point: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2002/12/18/nyregion/18wtc.slide6.jpg

Or this unworkable mess:
http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/T/H/libeskind01.jpg

Nothing ever ends exactly as you want and there are always disappointments (and yeah, the spire was a big one), but I think we succeeded more than we failed with One WTC as is, considering all the obstacles in its way.

I totally agree. The current 1WTC is in all honesty quite bland and far from awe-inspiring (and the spire is a downright shame), but at least it isn't hideous, and based on the original concepts we could have done a lot, lot worse. The good thing about all the new WTC buildings is that they blend in with and complement the surrounding skyline, unlike many older concepts which would have destroyed it.

hunser
Oct 11, 2013, 9:46 PM
1 and 4WTC already look great. Just wait till 2 and 3WTC join the show! :cheers:

https://www.facebook.com/NYonAir
http://nyonair.com/

New York On Air

http://oi39.tinypic.com/r6ygd0.jpg

Camstonisland
Oct 12, 2013, 12:05 AM
I thought of an idea to fix the spire problem. One of the major problems the Port Authority claimed about the spire was that it would be impossible to clean and repair. What I thought would be to attach railings to the side of the spire for a robotic cleaner or person to replace or clean the fiberglass and foam casing, similar to the window washer on the original twin towers.
http://i.imgur.com/keZhTc9.png
a very poorly done rendering by me^^

ArtDecoRevival
Oct 12, 2013, 1:26 AM
What would everyone give the realized One WTC as a letter-grade? I'd give it a B- as is (with the spire intact I think it would have been upgraded to a B+).

The original Libeskind design would be an F for me, because I believe to this day it would have been impossible to build. It wasn't based in reality.

I think the vast majority of the people understand and appreciate that we got something back on the skyline. However, the disgraceful way in which this came about and continues to unfold
is inexcusable, particularly in light of what this site represents. This is no "mere" disappointment. I could probably show you many more "better" designs than I can "worse", but that's besides the point.


Well, that makes it sound like your beef is about something more than the spire. So what are the "better" designs you would have preferred? :shrug:

I thought pretty much all the entries in the '02/'03 competition, like the THINK skeleton-twins and that weird H-shaped design were uniformally terrible.

NYC GUY
Oct 12, 2013, 2:57 AM
Solid B grade for me. The original spire would've looked great in day but the new one looks amazing at night (When it's lit up of course). Overall I think we could've done a lot better and taller but what we get is fine with me. It restores the skyline to what it used to be. The tallest building in NYC doesn't have to be at the World trade Center.

NYdude
Oct 12, 2013, 6:01 AM
Solid "A" from me. Beautiful and powerful, yet elegant building.

NYguy
Oct 12, 2013, 8:18 AM
Well, that makes it sound like your beef is about something more than the spire. So what are the "better" designs you would have preferred? :shrug:

I thought pretty much all the entries in the '02/'03 competition, like the THINK skeleton-twins and that weird H-shaped design were uniformally terrible.

We won't even get into that here, because that's not what this discussion is about. That's ongoing here...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=166333

As far as what I was referencing, if I have to explain it, its probably lost on you anyway.



SVENLW (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53565195@N02/10180790053/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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ArtDecoRevival
Oct 12, 2013, 10:56 AM
As far as what I was referencing, if I have to explain it, its probably lost on you anyway.


You know what? Not worth it, but I'll just say I'm kind of shocked someone as rude, condescending and unwelcoming towards new posters ever became a mod. I asked a question, but I didn't ask it in a rude way and you should have recripocated that tone instead of acting like you're automatically superior to others (without even knowing a thing about them, like the fact they work for Foster & Partners).

QUEENSNYMAN
Oct 12, 2013, 4:29 PM
My latest video from this morning:

By: QUEENSNY121

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrT0m3fazx4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUa3fF4f0jp_YrtzeCuNTf5A

MadGnome
Oct 12, 2013, 5:42 PM
Not that I give a rat's ass what the CTBUH says, and I know I've said a stick is a stick, but the more I look at that ring and mast the more I think there's no way you can deny they're architectural components of the building.

Silverfox
Oct 13, 2013, 7:23 AM
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5534/10205011344_72ab34149e_h.jpg

Did they change the glass on the WFC buildings recently? It looks different in that picture.

mat97
Oct 13, 2013, 9:00 AM
Are they going to cover the beams of the communication rings with something or will remain pure steel?:uhh::philosoraptor:

Guiltyspark
Oct 13, 2013, 10:57 AM
Not that I give a rat's ass what the CTBUH says, and I know I've said a stick is a stick, but the more I look at that ring and mast the more I think there's no way you can deny they're architectural components of the building.

Weird cause I do deny it. Oh well. Everyone has an opinion.

Submariner
Oct 13, 2013, 4:02 PM
What makes this architecturally different from the spire on say, the BofA building?

Guiltyspark
Oct 13, 2013, 7:02 PM
What makes this architecturally different from the spire on say, the BofA building?

The spire on BofA does not hold communication equipment and thus was designed with nothing in mind but how it looks. This is designed to hold communication equipment and looks like it.

People seem to get engineering confused with architectural design. Height is height, that is the engineering element. An antenna or mast can be very robust, thick, prominent, what have you. That does not make it an architectural element. What you see now is the functional skeleton of what would have been a true spire if it had remained covered by an architectural element. Instead, they merely deleted the architectural elements (except for the very tip which now looks stuck on since it does not flow into anything like it was supposed to.

YankeesfaninUT
Oct 13, 2013, 7:32 PM
The spire on BofA does not hold communication equipment and thus was designed with nothing in mind but how it looks. This is designed to hold communication equipment and looks like it.

People seem to get engineering confused with architectural design. Height is height, that is the engineering element. An antenna or mast can be very robust, thick, prominent, what have you. That does not make it an architectural element. What you see now is the functional skeleton of what would have been a true spire if it had remained covered by an architectural element. Instead, they merely deleted the architectural elements (except for the very tip which now looks stuck on since it does not flow into anything like it was supposed to.

Technically you can look at this two ways. The Radome, while beautiful, really isn't a true architectural element. It is used everyday on functional radar domes. That being said one could argue that the radome shouldn't count either. Now to your argument that the current spire doesn't flow from top to bottom. Who says it has to. The grand thing about architecture is that it can be unique. This spire is very unique and in my humble opinion, I think it works for the building. And I don't believe the beacon looks stuck. It's made of metal. The rest of the spire is made of metal. Now if the beacon was made out of radome or something else then I could see your point, but it's not. The more I look at this spire the more I realize it was meant to be.

hunser
Oct 13, 2013, 10:05 PM
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3782/10239860046_67fb68e602_h.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daxis/10239860046/)
New York - Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daxis/10239860046/) by Daxis (http://www.flickr.com/people/daxis/), on Flickr

Empire state of mind
Oct 14, 2013, 3:13 AM
Epic!

Roadcruiser1
Oct 14, 2013, 3:44 AM
Did they change the glass on the WFC buildings recently? It looks different in that picture.

No.

Are they going to cover the beams of the communication rings with something or will remain pure steel?:uhh::philosoraptor:

Not really but they will put the dishes up there over time. It won't look the way it does now..........

NYguy
Oct 14, 2013, 2:02 PM
Not that I give a rat's ass what the CTBUH says, and I know I've said a stick is a stick, but the more I look at that ring and mast the more I think there's no way you can deny they're architectural components of the building.

To look at it that way makes it even worse.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152800693/original.jpg





The Radome, while beautiful, really isn't a true architectural element. It is used everyday on functional radar domes.

I don't know why you guys aren't getting this, but I'll keep repeating it. The radome itself wasn't the architectural element, it's what the architectural element was composed of.
There was a very specific design for the spire, in fact there were a few. What you see exposed now was never meant to be, nor is it an architectural element of design.



( October 13, 2013 )


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152874043/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152874043/original.jpg

atbglenn
Oct 14, 2013, 4:15 PM
I think the spire looks great, especially when illuminated at night. But what the hell do I know? I'm just your normal everyday schmuck who's lived in New York his whole life, 61 years.....

hunser
Oct 14, 2013, 5:41 PM
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2888/10205213363_ee46ffb06a_h.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsg999/10205213363/)
WTC dawn 06 18 13 01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsg999/10205213363/) by bonnarphoto (http://www.flickr.com/people/gsg999/), on Flickr


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5499/9959694116_623e7dc41d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonpiercephotography/9959694116/)
North Bergen & Guttenberg (NJ), the Hudson River, and Manhattan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonpiercephotography/9959694116/) by Jason Pierce Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/jasonpiercephotography/), on Flickr

King DenCity
Oct 14, 2013, 6:54 PM
Beautiful mountains of buildings!

superMike
Oct 14, 2013, 7:42 PM
The second pic is amazing Hunser !

QUEENSNYMAN
Oct 14, 2013, 8:35 PM
Hey everyone my latest video from today, hope ya like I took the Seastreak Ferry from Rockaway this morning, great shots of One World Trade!

By: QUEENSNY121

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqm_bvFKcbc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUa3fF4f0jp_YrtzeCuNTf5A

nyc7
Oct 15, 2013, 1:00 AM
From yesterday..
Pics can't describe how massive this thing is in person
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/KWBehn/IMG_0110_zpsd83e5f54.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/KWBehn/IMG_0100_zpscb837634.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/KWBehn/IMG_0123_zps1f99d1df.jpg

Base cladding looks just about done on the rear, and a quarter of the way there on the side with the elevator
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/KWBehn/IMG_0105_zps24520176.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/KWBehn/IMG_0106_zps4dfe746f.jpg
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/KWBehn/IMG_0108_zpse9dbae80.jpg

germancruiser
Oct 15, 2013, 5:13 AM
What wonderful pictures thank you all for shareing with us. A great building and still looking at is still something one has to get used to.

drumz0rz
Oct 15, 2013, 1:25 PM
bonnarphoto
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsg999/10205011344/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5534/10205011344_72ab34149e_h.jpg
Great photo but I think his copyright is a bit off...

NewYorque
Oct 15, 2013, 6:28 PM
I just downloaded the next version of Google Earth (recent update, 3D cities load faster)

But sadly the WTC 3D buildings aren't updated. 1WTC looks like in 2012, and so does 4WTC. How can I change that ?
Because in my former Google Earth version, 1WTC and 4WTC were updated (4WTC covered by glass, and 1WTC with an antenna).
I can't even click on the building, on the new Google Earth :hell:

Someone knows how to fix it?

Thanks :)

marvelfannumber1
Oct 15, 2013, 8:22 PM
:previous:

Just click on the button that shows older satelitte images and you should be getting all the old models again.

Yankee fan for life
Oct 15, 2013, 11:41 PM
quick clip of 1 wtc on the Q train going over the Manhattan bridge sorry of the shakiness i am on the train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkVroTqNXY0

rockinrolla
Oct 16, 2013, 12:31 PM
Well, I like this one

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/9795372465_f56239b6d4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayasrig/9795372465/)
Downtown view from Queensboro Bridge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayasrig/9795372465/) por jayasri.g (http://www.flickr.com/people/jayasrig/), en Flickr


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/10109555373_048619ec7e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53565195@N02/10109555373/)
Manhattan tour (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53565195@N02/10109555373/) por SVENLW (http://www.flickr.com/people/53565195@N02/), en Flickr

Yes Thank you! looks awesome

NYguy
Oct 16, 2013, 8:34 PM
Flipintex Fotos - Trying to make a comeback!! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flipintex/10309147633/sizes/h/in/photostream/)

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chris123678
Oct 16, 2013, 11:09 PM
The Lobby from WTC Progress

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cadiomals
Oct 17, 2013, 1:22 AM
The Lobby from WTC Progress

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Can people add more pictures of the interior please? I feel like the constant images of the largely completed exterior of 1WTC from different angles is getting repetitive, and would really like to see how progress is doing inside the building, where the majority of the construction is now happening. Thanks!

chris123678
Oct 17, 2013, 1:42 AM
Can people add more pictures of the interior please? I feel like the constant images of the largely completed exterior of 1WTC from different angles is getting repetitive, and would really like to see how progress is doing inside the building, where the majority of the construction is now happening. Thanks!

I doubt many people have access to actually see the building in it's entirety. I'd love to see some more interior pics to. Espically the office floors.

The office floors look very small to be honest, even on the low floors before the octagon

weidncol
Oct 17, 2013, 2:00 AM
I doubt many people have access to actually see the building in it's entirety. I'd love to see some more interior pics to. Espically the office floors.

The office floors look very small to be honest, even on the low floors before the octagon

That was one of the good things about the Twins; they had huge office floors for the whole building. This is obviously due to the fact the entire building was one shape unlike One World Trade Center. But trust me, they are not small :)

FMIII
Oct 17, 2013, 5:28 AM
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2888/10205213363_ee46ffb06a_h.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsg999/10205213363/)
WTC dawn 06 18 13 01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsg999/10205213363/) by bonnarphoto (http://www.flickr.com/people/gsg999/), on Flickr

It's a beautiful tower but the antenna is really ugly (especially in contrast with the tower).

I know it has been said a thousand times.. but there must be a thousand ways to design something better. The mistake was not to scrap the radome, the mistake was to forget to redesign the antenna in the process. But I guess that when they decided to scrap the radome, the antenna's skeleton was already built. The result is that now It looks like a Ferrari with chariot wheels. :rolleyes:

Let's hope that one day, a modern Rockfeller who truly love this city will be tired to look at it and will make a donation to put something better at the top of this tower.

HomrQT
Oct 17, 2013, 1:14 PM
It's a beautiful tower but the antenna is really ugly (especially in contrast with the tower).

I know it has been said a thousand times.. but there must be a thousand ways to design something better. The mistake was not to scrap the radome, the mistake was to forget to redesign the antenna in the process. But I guess that when they decided to scrap the radome, the antenna's skeleton was already built. The result is that now It looks like a Ferrari with chariot wheels. :rolleyes:

Let's hope that one day, a modern Rockfeller who truly love this city will be tired to look at it and will make a donation to put something better at the top of this tower.

I agree. I think a cleaner looking antenna would have suited the building better, but most likely it'll be there long enough for people to grow attached to it.

chris08876
Oct 17, 2013, 4:46 PM
I agree. I think a cleaner looking antenna would have suited the building better, but most likely it'll be there long enough for people to grow attached to it.

I think possibly a color change to the antenna/spire in the future would do wonders. It looks great from faraway, but up close, around Church Street when you look up you can see it kinda catches the eye; not in a good way. It stands out ,and doesn't seem to flow nicely with the whole tower. Similar to a man with a nice Armani suit ,but a hat with feathers; just kinda kills the whole look.

21bl0wed
Oct 17, 2013, 5:52 PM
The antenna has a third world feeling to it with those sphere/bulb looking things on it.

eleven=11
Oct 17, 2013, 6:23 PM
[QUOTE=chris123678;6305192]I doubt many people have access to actually see the building in it's entirety. I'd love to see some more interior pics to. Espically the office floors.

also pics of the base...

so earthcam is not working again
can anybody recommend another webcam??

FMIII
Oct 17, 2013, 7:59 PM
Similar to a man with a nice Armani suit ,but a hat with feathers; just kinda kills the whole look.

It's a very good comparison (better than mine) :tup:

Too bad, because it's really a wonderful skyscraper (whithout the hat)...

Kurtz
Oct 18, 2013, 2:34 PM
The Lobby from WTC Progress

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Pavonazzetto Marble rule! but i hope they don't cover anything with the same Marble to avoid the effect Massa Carrara Marble cave :yes:

Tectonic
Oct 19, 2013, 2:04 AM
10.18.13

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©tectonic

mat97
Oct 19, 2013, 6:25 AM
New base cladding at east... the last part to complete :cheers::rock::eat::awesome:

Roadcruiser1
Oct 19, 2013, 7:36 AM
Tectonic we were at the same place on October 18th 2013. I might have bumped into you but I didn't know who you were.

Enough talk. Here is are my pictures from October 18th 2013.

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hunser
Oct 19, 2013, 12:34 PM
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weidncol
Oct 19, 2013, 3:59 PM
Looks as though they have finally installed office lights on one of the floors. :awesome:

nyc7
Oct 19, 2013, 6:07 PM
I don't know the correct terminology, but does anybody know what those "dots" around the windows immediately above the base cladding on the 10th picture in roadcruisers post are? are they only temporary?

weidncol
Oct 19, 2013, 6:47 PM
I don't know the correct terminology, but does anybody know what those "dots" around the windows immediately above the base cladding on the 10th picture in roadcruisers post are? are they only temporary?

What dots? Construction lighting?

Thaniel
Oct 19, 2013, 8:34 PM
A few questions.
1: What's that big bow shaped thing in a bunch of the pictures above? I thought at first it was a hair on the lens of the camera or something but it's in the same spot on every photo? Is that a rope hanging down or something?

2: Does anyone know when they're gonna start taking down the service elevator? I realize they don't want to scuff up the 'good' elevators with the flatscreen TV walls with construction equipment going in and out of them but also at this point what big stuff do they have left to fill the tower with?

3. I forgot what I was gonna type for 3. Man, it as a good question though. Probably the best I was going to ask... damn. lol

4. When will the window washing equipment be up and running. Those windows are getting reallllllll dirty.

Thaniel
Oct 19, 2013, 8:37 PM
What dots? Construction lighting?

No, I think he's talking about the little things they put along the edge of new windows just above the podium windows.

nyc7
Oct 19, 2013, 8:48 PM
No, I think he's talking about the little things they put along the edge of new windows just above the podium windows.

yeah, thats what i meant. i noticed some on 4wtc as well. just curious as to what they are

Roadcruiser1
Oct 19, 2013, 11:25 PM
A few questions.
1: What's that big bow shaped thing in a bunch of the pictures above? I thought at first it was a hair on the lens of the camera or something but it's in the same spot on every photo? Is that a rope hanging down or something?

2: Does anyone know when they're gonna start taking down the service elevator? I realize they don't want to scuff up the 'good' elevators with the flatscreen TV walls with construction equipment going in and out of them but also at this point what big stuff do they have left to fill the tower with?

3. I forgot what I was gonna type for 3. Man, it as a good question though. Probably the best I was going to ask... damn. lol

4. When will the window washing equipment be up and running. Those windows are getting reallllllll dirty.

1. When I was there water was coming out of it so I am assuming that it's a temporary window washing track.

2. Not really but they have already started to take down the ones at Four World Trade Center so I don't think it will be up for long.

4. They are attempting their best right now to clean the windows though the progress is poor as pouring water through a tube isn't really going to help..........

Design-mind
Oct 20, 2013, 2:01 AM
I don't know the correct terminology, but does anybody know what those "dots" around the windows immediately above the base cladding on the 10th picture in roadcruisers post are? are they only temporary?

Those are what you call glazing clips. They hold the glass in place till the mullions can be installed. Don't worry though, that portion of cladding will look the same as the rest of the building.

mat97
Oct 20, 2013, 6:38 AM
I don't know the correct terminology, but does anybody know what those "dots" around the windows immediately above the base cladding on the 10th picture in roadcruisers post are? are they only temporary?

Yes, they're only temporary:tup:

nyc7
Oct 20, 2013, 1:25 PM
Those are what you call glazing clips. They hold the glass in place till the mullions can be installed. Don't worry though, that portion of cladding will look the same as the rest of the building.

alright, thanks man

thanks matt as well, glad to know they are only temporary

pnapp1
Oct 21, 2013, 1:55 PM
4. They are attempting their best right now to clean the windows though the progress is poor as pouring water through a tube isn't really going to help..........

Just to add to this, a lot of the grime you see is on the inside of the windows not the outside.

hunser
Oct 21, 2013, 2:06 PM
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/10361203545_70e3b4d028_k.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yogesharora/10361203545/)
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drumz0rz
Oct 21, 2013, 2:53 PM
Will this building feature a sky lobby? One of the floors mid-way appears to have some interior work being done. Does anyone know more about it? Seen below:
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And the floor with all the lights from the image immediately above.

StrongIsland
Oct 21, 2013, 3:36 PM
Will this building feature a sky lobby? One of the floors mid-way appears to have some interior work being done. Does anyone know more about it? Seen below: And the floor with all the lights from the image immediately above.

That floor your talking about IS the sky lobby. On the 64th floor.:yes:

NYguy
Oct 21, 2013, 3:44 PM
^ There will be a sky lobby.



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NewYorque
Oct 21, 2013, 4:40 PM
Just come back from an afternoon of watching videos of 9/11, twin towers' fall, Manhattan in a cloud of dust, etc etc

That was my "annual 9/11 remembrance"

Now I go to this forum again, and I see the beautiful HD pictures of a brand-new 1WTC, almost finished, dominating lower Manhattan again.

And for the first time since all those years I feel like the hole has finally been filled :cheers:

We should now forget the Twin towers. They bring only pain.

Submariner
Oct 21, 2013, 6:19 PM
Just come back from an afternoon of watching videos of 9/11, twin towers' fall, Manhattan in a cloud of dust, etc etc

That was my "annual 9/11 remembrance"

Now I go to this forum again, and I see the beautiful HD pictures of a brand-new 1WTC, almost finished, dominating lower Manhattan again.

And for the first time since all those years I feel like the hole has finally been filled :cheers:

We should now forget the Twin towers. They bring only pain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-iWbrT-nvI

drumz0rz
Oct 21, 2013, 7:45 PM
Just come back from an afternoon of watching videos of 9/11, twin towers' fall, Manhattan in a cloud of dust, etc etc

That was my "annual 9/11 remembrance"

Now I go to this forum again, and I see the beautiful HD pictures of a brand-new 1WTC, almost finished, dominating lower Manhattan again.

And for the first time since all those years I feel like the hole has finally been filled :cheers:

We should now forget the Twin towers. They bring only pain.
No offense, but I disagree with your last line, that we should forget the twins. Maybe that's the best way for you to cope, and if so, I'm glad it works for you, but for me, the twins bring a lot more emotion than just pain.

I think of what they stood for when they were built. Those 2 super talls dominating over the city, the country and the world. Their name, "World Trade Center", very evocative of the US's global superiority [complex?].

When I think back to that warm day in September, sure their is sadness, anger, but there is also that overwhelming feeling of community and support. A bunch of extremists on the other side of the planet attacked commercial buildings filled with average Joes. It was a horrible tragedy, but NYers, Americans, and millions across the globe stood together. We supported each other.

That's just a quick example of some of the thoughts that I am reminded of when I look across the Hudson from my desk, or I watch a rerun of a man jumping to escape an even worse fate creeping behind him. I never intend for forget anything.

Sorry to veer off-topic a little bit there...

franktko
Oct 21, 2013, 9:27 PM
No offense, but I disagree with your last line, that we should forget the twins. Maybe that's the best way for you to cope, and if so, I'm glad it works for you, but for me, the twins bring a lot more emotion than just pain.

I think of what they stood for when they were built. Those 2 super talls dominating over the city, the country and the world. Their name, "World Trade Center", very evocative of the US's global superiority [complex?].

When I think back to that warm day in September, sure their is sadness, anger, but there is also that overwhelming feeling of community and support. A bunch of extremists on the other side of the planet attacked commercial buildings filled with average Joes. It was a horrible tragedy, but NYers, Americans, and millions across the globe stood together. We supported each other.

That's just a quick example of some of the thoughts that I am reminded of when I look across the Hudson from my desk, or I watch a rerun of a man jumping to escape an even worse fate creeping behind him. I never intend for forget anything.

Sorry to veer off-topic a little bit there...

Agreed. It's on our license plates over here: Je me souviens - I remember

deepen915
Oct 21, 2013, 9:53 PM
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/10361203545_70e3b4d028_k.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yogesharora/10361203545/)
Newyork Sunrise (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yogesharora/10361203545/) by Yogi.Arora (http://www.flickr.com/people/yogesharora/), on Flickr

GORGEOUS! Thanks for the new Desktop Background ;)

ArtDecoRevival
Oct 22, 2013, 5:46 AM
Just come back from an afternoon of watching videos of 9/11, twin towers' fall, Manhattan in a cloud of dust, etc etc

That was my "annual 9/11 remembrance"

Now I go to this forum again, and I see the beautiful HD pictures of a brand-new 1WTC, almost finished, dominating lower Manhattan again.

And for the first time since all those years I feel like the hole has finally been filled :cheers:

We should now forget the Twin towers. They bring only pain.

It seems obvious to say, but (a) you can appreciate (and even love) the new WTC 1, while still remembering the Twin Towers. And (b) why does the memory of the Twin Towers always have to be associated with 9/11? Should we forget JFK because he was assassinated? Should we forget our deceased loved ones, just because they're no longer with us and their parting was painful?

NYguy
Oct 22, 2013, 5:55 AM
We should now forget the Twin towers. They bring only pain.

You should no more forget the Twin Towers than you would a loved one that is no longer here. 9/11 was but one day.

That being said, remembering the past doesn't mean you can't accept the present. This is the new World Trade Center.
So let us dwell on that, at least in this thread.



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NYguy
Oct 22, 2013, 3:26 PM
I'm not posting this article to stir up a spire vs. roofline height debate, we already know spires count towards the height. This is about the official height determination about the mast - spire or antenna.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303672404579149684278467204?mod=WSJ_NY_RealEstate_LEADNewsCollection

Will WTC Spire Rise to Top?
Council on Tall Buildings to Determine if Structure Counts Toward Measurement


By Eliot Brown
Oct. 21, 2013


In the years after the Twin Towers were destroyed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, New York leaders vowed to build the country's tallest tower in their place as a show of resilience. They're about to find out if they succeeded.

Early next month the nonprofit Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat—the accepted arbiter on matters of skyscraper height—is set to determine One World Trade Center's official "architectural" height. The developers of One World Trade, the site's signature tower that's set to open in 2015, say the Skidmore Owings & Merrill LLP-designed building measures 1,776 feet. That would be 325 feet taller than the roof of Chicago's Willis Tower, formerly the Sears Tower.

But the bragging rights to America's tallest tower aren't so straightforward.

At issue is whether the One World Trade's 408-foot steel mast is considered a "spire" that is part of the building's architecture. If it is found to be a structural spire, it counts toward the height; but if it is considered just an antenna, that would leave the building at 1,368 feet, the country's third-tallest, after the Willis Tower, at 1,451 feet, and the Trump International Hotel & Tower Chicago, at 1,389 feet.

The answer is subject to debate. "We are caught between a hard rock and a stone," Antony Wood, the Chicago-based building council's executive director, wrote in an email this month to landlord Douglas Durst, a part-owner of One World Trade.

The email points out that if the council, composed largely of top architects and engineers from around the world, rules in favor of the developer, it will upset a constituency that thinks the issue of defining height by a spire's reach has "got out of control." If it rules against the developer, it will upset "the vast majority of the entire USA public for whom the 1,776 symbolic height is sacred," says the email, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The council's guidelines are brief, calling for buildings to be measured to their "architectural top," including spires but not antennas or other functional equipment

Mr. Durst believes the answer is clear: "Logic and their guidelines dictate clearly that the building is 1,776 feet tall," said Jordan Barowitz, a spokesman for Mr. Durst.

Fueling the debate is a design change made last year. Originally One World Trade's mast was meant to have a geometric white shell. But Mr. Durst and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, Mr. Durst's partner, dropped it from the plan over cost and maintenance concerns, leaving a steel structure not designed for public view, ringed by service platforms.

The decision sparked criticism from the building's lead designer, Skidmore's David Childs, who said at the time it was "unfortunate" that the Port Authority removed an "integral part of the building's design." He has since refrained from public comment on the issue, and Skidmore Owings has said it supports Mr. Durst's view.

Some onlookers aren't enamored with the current design. "It looks like it's been bolted on. … It does not look like it's part of the building," Pat Crooks, a tourist from Salt Lake City, said of the spire on Friday. She likes the design of the building, she said, but "the top is disappointing."

But Mr. Durst and the Port Authority say a tall spire was a key component of the design, regardless of its outer shell, and the mast should count toward the height of One World Trade, which was formerly named the Freedom Tower. The spire cost $21 million to build and install, according to the Port Authority, and the building's marketing material advertises One World Trade as the tallest in the Western Hemisphere—a claim that depends on the council ruling in its favor.

The decision also has broader reach than a standard skyscraper given its role in preserving and honoring the memory of those who died on Sept. 11. "The idea of building on this sacred ground the tallest building in the U.S. … is very important," said Joseph Daniels, president of the National September 11 Memorial Museum.

;;;;;Architects at Skidmore Owings are scheduled to travel to Chicago to appear before the council's height committee on Nov. 8 to make their case. Peter Weismantle, an architect and the committee's chairman, says the architects "just have to prove to us that it's been designed."

Mr. Durst is angry with the council for even hesitating on an issue he sees as so clear cut. Mr. Barowitz, the Durst spokesman, said the council's process had become "politicized," and their determination "is being driven by a constituency that is offended by design changes that were necessary to make the spire feasible."

Mr. Wood, of the council, said that characterization was "ridiculous," as the criteria aren't specific enough to produce a clear-cut answer, and he expects a robust and intelligent debate over how to handle the tower's official measurement.

Even if the spire-versus-antenna issue is resolved, the building's height may not officially land at 1,776 feet: The council in 2009 changed its rules requiring building height to be measured from the top to the lowest building entrance. Given a slope on the site, One World Trade has an entrance lower than its main doors, which could put the height at 1,781 feet.



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