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Puzzlecraft
Feb 9, 2009, 10:24 PM
Yes.... two more levels of steel rising at the south core - despite the dangle over the void at the north core!

New Skyline
Feb 9, 2009, 11:00 PM
Hello guys, new to this forum!

buildup
Feb 9, 2009, 11:28 PM
Why will it take another 4 years to complete (completion 2013)? Is it the approx. 200' base of the building that will be going slow in the next year or so? Also the footprint looks rectangular. I thought the tower was basically a square at the base. Is part of the foundation not yet available to be built for a while? I know these questions might not be answered unless someone has a set of plans and the construction schedule.

uaarkson
Feb 10, 2009, 12:07 AM
I've always wondered that myself. If the ESB could be built in 1 year back in the 30s (and during the great depression), why does it take so long for modern skyscrapers to be built?

Zerton
Feb 10, 2009, 12:10 AM
I've always wondered that myself. If the ESB could be built in 1 year back in the 30s (and during the great depression), why does it take so long for modern skyscrapers to be built?

This construction is a complex of multiple skyscrapers over a train station (among other things) built on a very complex site. And it will be completed in about the same time frame as the original WTC.

NYguy
Feb 10, 2009, 12:40 AM
They have removed a small part of the building if u look bottom right hand corner where people enter and exit the path station i cant seem to post a photo up of what i mean i hope you see what im talking about :)

Still not sure what you mean, but they aren't going to remove that entrance yet.

NYguy
Feb 10, 2009, 12:50 AM
two more levels of steel rising at the south core

Great, that will make the construction even more visible in the surrounding area. Will definitely check it out.

androo3
Feb 10, 2009, 1:10 AM
Why will it take another 4 years to complete (completion 2013)? Is it the approx. 200' base of the building that will be going slow in the next year or so? Also the footprint looks rectangular. I thought the tower was basically a square at the base. Is part of the foundation not yet available to be built for a while? I know these questions might not be answered unless someone has a set of plans and the construction schedule.

If I am not mistaken Compeletion and topout dates are different. Topout would be sooner, while completion of the whole tower including inside would be 2013 correct me if I am wrong.

NYguy
Feb 10, 2009, 1:13 PM
If I am not mistaken Compeletion and topout dates are different. Topout would be sooner, while completion of the whole tower including inside would be 2013 correct me if I am wrong.

That's correct. From our point of view, "completion" would be sometime 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if some tenants moved in that year as well.

drumz0rz
Feb 10, 2009, 2:54 PM
I can't wait for all of these buildings to really start to climb. I love downtown much more than midtown. The towers seem much taller and standout more down there.

drumz0rz
Feb 10, 2009, 2:58 PM
nenegogogirl (http://flickr.com/photos/97862355@N00/3257862095/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/3257862095_00e68b9eec_b.jpgA little off topic but, what's that going up behind the former Deutsche Bank Building?

sask1982
Feb 10, 2009, 3:24 PM
A little off topic but, what's that going up behind the former Deutsche Bank Building?

And speaking of the former Deutsche Bank, is ANYTHING happening with that? (Regarding the deconstruction...is there anything going on at all?)

colemonkee
Feb 10, 2009, 3:49 PM
^ ^ I believe that's 123 Washington (4 Albany St). There's a thread for it here (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=93680) in the Highrise Construction Forum.

uaarkson
Feb 10, 2009, 8:23 PM
someone get some pictures of the new steel!

NYguy
Feb 11, 2009, 1:00 AM
^ in due time

^ ^ I believe that's 123 Washington (4 Albany St). There's a thread for it here (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=93680) in the Highrise Construction Forum.

That's correct.

theWatusi
Feb 11, 2009, 1:11 AM
GreenwhichBoy on WNY
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6956&d=1234122674

Also reported on WNY, a North Core pour is coming soon.

NYguy
Feb 11, 2009, 2:03 PM
^ Excellent.

scalziand
Feb 11, 2009, 4:21 PM
The more I see the base of 7 WTC, the more I cringe. Is it really that bad in person?

2-TOWERS
Feb 11, 2009, 6:41 PM
get used to it . wait to you see this base

T-Mac
Feb 11, 2009, 6:53 PM
Isn't the base of 7 WTC a power plant? I actually don't think it looks too bad.

Nei!l
Feb 11, 2009, 11:08 PM
I'm happy
^^

gttx
Feb 11, 2009, 11:34 PM
Isn't the base of 7 WTC a power plant? I actually don't think it looks too bad.

As far as I know, it is one of 2 ConEd substations that power Lower Manhattan. Part of the reason the base is so...erm...Soviet is that it was built to protect that station from anything that might be attempted there. It's not totally hideous in person, but it's not great.

CGII
Feb 11, 2009, 11:45 PM
The more I see the base of 7 WTC, the more I cringe. Is it really that bad in person?

It's fine in person.

Dac150
Feb 11, 2009, 11:51 PM
I have no problem with it in person, but do admit that in photos it can come off 'unfriendly', if that makes sense. The building itself is beautiful.

NYC2ATX
Feb 12, 2009, 12:58 AM
Isn't the base of 7 WTC a power plant? I actually don't think it looks too bad.

It actually looks worse in pictures IMO. The metal actually has a sheen in person, especially on a sunny day, so that gives it some cool texture. scalziand, I recommend you see it in person. You might feel differently... :tup:

theWatusi
Feb 12, 2009, 1:04 AM
nykid17@ WNY

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3273033720_e342e6e001_b.jpg

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=273959&postcount=5607

NYguy
Feb 12, 2009, 6:38 AM
Beginning to get a feel for what will be...

fimoculous (http://flickr.com/photos/fimoculous/3271515087/sizes/l/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/3271515087_c80254bebd_b.jpg

2-TOWERS
Feb 12, 2009, 2:42 PM
looking great... still trying to figure out how the water fall drop will be in the south tower footprint because it will be directly over the path tracks... also it seems like that temp building on the right is in the way of the steel work ..will that be removed..

NYguy
Feb 12, 2009, 4:24 PM
looking great... still trying to figure out how the water fall drop will be in the south tower footprint because it will be directly over the path tracks... also it seems like that temp building on the right is in the way of the steel work ..will that be removed..

You have to remember that the waterfall "voids" are being built over the footprints, not on them. The PATH tracks will run underneath the void just as it did at 2 WTC and will at the Freedom Tower.

photoLith
Feb 12, 2009, 7:06 PM
Ive been wondering this for a while but whats the structure thats coming into shape on the bottom right side of that photo? Is that the base of the other memorial or something?

2-TOWERS
Feb 12, 2009, 10:49 PM
You have to remember that the waterfall "voids" are being built over the footprints, not on them. The PATH tracks will run underneath the void just as it did at 2 WTC and will at the Freedom Tower.
I KNOW THAT. it just seems like the voids go close to the bottom, so the center void will be right above the path tracks.

NYguy
Feb 13, 2009, 12:35 AM
I KNOW THAT. it just seems like the voids go close to the bottom, so the center void will be right above the path tracks.

Seems being the operative word there.

NYguy
Feb 13, 2009, 12:46 AM
The Port Authority WTC update says the south core is now 105 ft above street level...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109141282/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109141314/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109141322/original.jpg

theWatusi
Feb 13, 2009, 12:50 AM
I'm thinking the North Core is going to pick up speed after this pour.

zeno3333333
Feb 13, 2009, 1:19 AM
Anyone know where most of the steel is coming from?? I know most of the WTC steel came from the Pittsburgh and Chicago area. The only carbon steel mill left in Pittsburgh only makes flat sheets of steel, no I-beams from the Mon Valley Works there. So it must come from outside Pittsburgh.

H-man
Feb 13, 2009, 3:50 AM
if memory serves me right i remember reading an article that said most steel was coming from luxumberg

CHAPINM1
Feb 13, 2009, 5:36 AM
if memory serves me right i remember reading an article that said most steel was coming from luxumberg

I second that, I've also heard that as well. The contract was made back as early as 2006.

NYguy
Feb 13, 2009, 6:11 AM
Anyone know where most of the steel is coming from??

The first columns were shipped from Germany to Virginia, where they were prepared for the Freedom Tower. There were multiple contracts completed, but I don't remember specifically...

http://www.panynj.gov/abouttheportauthority/presscenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=968
At its monthly meeting this afternoon, the Port Authority Board of Commissioners took the following actions:

-Authorized the award of a $276.48 million contract to DCM Erectors for the fabrication, delivery and erection of the structural steel that will serve as the main skeleton of 1 World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower. This brings the total Freedom Tower contract awards to approximately $1.2 billion.


http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071106/FREE/71106007/1052/information
Montreal-based ADF Group won a $47 million contract to build a 70-ton steel structure for the Freedom Tower, according to a report in Quebec newspaper La Presse.

The company, which specializes in heavy and complex steel structures, was one of dozens of firms picked to work on the $2.8 billion Freedom Tower. At last count, $1.7 billion of contracts have been awarded. Tishman Realty & Construction, Germany elevator company Thyssenkrupp, and DCM Erectors of New York, which sources say subcontracted this deal to ADF, are among the firms that have been awarded contracts so far.

The contract also includes the steel for the base and mast of the approximately 380-foot high antenna that will top the building.

pattali
Feb 13, 2009, 8:31 AM
if memory serves me right i remember ... luxumberg

Luxembourg , a small country in Europe ,
Do you know if steel for Freedom tower come from Arcelor-Mital group ?
a little off topic -
Arcelor-Mital group moves to cut 9000 jobs in Luxembourg and France , in French here
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jb61-qWFnG8p6BndLnI-3kb0715A

NYguy
Feb 13, 2009, 12:48 PM
First steel, 2006
http://www.wtc.com/news/First-Steel-Produced-For-Historic-Freedom-Tower
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/announcements--and--events

Nomadd22
Feb 13, 2009, 12:54 PM
The first columns came from Luxembourg because no North American mill could fabricate anything that heavy. The rest will be from many contracts.

george
Feb 13, 2009, 2:38 PM
Beginning to get a feel for what will be...

fimoculous (http://flickr.com/photos/fimoculous/3271515087/sizes/l/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/3271515087_c80254bebd_b.jpg

Nice overview shot. Glad to see this site active & moving upward.

NYguy
Feb 13, 2009, 10:46 PM
FEBRUARY 13, 2009

Still just a spec on the overall WTC landscape, but it's at 105 ft above street level, and will only go up from there.

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164236/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164241/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164263/large.jpg

4.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164277/large.jpg

5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164281/large.jpg

6.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164295/large.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164303/large.jpg

8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164330/large.jpg

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164357/large.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164376/large.jpg

11.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164386/large.jpg

12.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164403/large.jpg

13.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164419/large.jpg

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164442/large.jpg

15.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164468/large.jpg

16.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164500/large.jpg

17.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164511/large.jpg

18. As the Freedom Tower rises, so does the memorial...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164525/large.jpg

19.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164530/large.jpg

20.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164535/large.jpg

21.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164597/large.jpg

Austin55
Feb 13, 2009, 10:56 PM
FEBRUARY 13, 20094.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109164277/large.jpg


Why are the two columns farthest left just hanging there?

CHAPINM1
Feb 13, 2009, 11:01 PM
Why are the two columns farthest left just hanging there?

If I had to guess those columns will eventually be integrated into the north core just as the current steel sitting atop of the south core will be.

NYCLuver
Feb 14, 2009, 12:40 AM
Passed through the World Financial Center(who knew so many hot guys worked there?) and came out all the way on the other side, near the pedestrian bridge to take this! :D

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0090.jpg

uaarkson
Feb 14, 2009, 12:55 AM
Passed through the World Financial Center(who knew so many hot guys worked there?) and came out all the way on the other side, near the pedestrian bridge to take this! :D

lol wat

NYCLuver
Feb 14, 2009, 1:04 AM
lol wat

What! Shhh, keep it on topic. :D:haha:

NYguy
Feb 14, 2009, 12:21 PM
If I had to guess those columns will eventually be integrated into the north core just as the current steel sitting atop of the south core will be.

That's correct.

talltowers08
Feb 14, 2009, 3:06 PM
they are doing a concrete pour for the north core today!!!

uaarkson
Feb 14, 2009, 6:14 PM
getting reports over at SC that north core pouring has started :)

theWatusi
Feb 14, 2009, 9:02 PM
The north core pour, picture by GreenwhichBoy on WNY

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6973&d=1234627855


The pour has been going on for approximately 15 hours so far and still going.

Austin55
Feb 15, 2009, 12:28 AM
Awesome, we should see some outer columns and the Diagonals in The atrium soon, no?

NYguy
Feb 15, 2009, 12:34 AM
That concrete pour goes along with the PA's schedule of things...

the north core is rising fast and should be above grade by late summer 2009. Once the sub-grade portions are complete, the Port expects one new floor to be built every week or two.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109141314/original.jpg

NYguy
Feb 16, 2009, 3:31 AM
A couple of years from now this view will be filled with enormous towers racing skyward...

christina.rejkjaer (http://flickr.com/photos/13758293@N04/3282299944/sizes/l/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/3282299944_4775b19d6f_b.jpg

drew11
Feb 16, 2009, 5:40 PM
Wow that is going pretty fast.

Dac150
Feb 16, 2009, 9:17 PM
Wow that is going pretty fast.

And it's only going to get faster. This is the peroid when everything will begin to shoot up.

CapitalCity
Feb 16, 2009, 9:27 PM
I'm so excited to see this start to shoot up!

New Skyline
Feb 16, 2009, 11:10 PM
Just don't get how the the steel frame will be encased with concrete

To me it looks Quite impossible

But it's great watching the activity progress!

theWatusi
Feb 16, 2009, 11:12 PM
^ simple, they add rebar, place forms, and pour concrete.

:wizard:

like magic!

Indescribable
Feb 16, 2009, 11:43 PM
Looks like 7WTC is fully occupied.

STERNyc
Feb 16, 2009, 11:53 PM
Al Qaeda Also Fed Up With Ground Zero Construction Delays:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/al_qaeda_also_fed_up_with_ground

StarScraperCity
Feb 17, 2009, 12:08 AM
Al Qaeda Also Fed Up With Ground Zero Construction Delays:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/al_qaeda_also_fed_up_with_ground

I love The Onion so much.

photoLith
Feb 17, 2009, 12:32 AM
lol, that was terrible but funny

QuarterMileSidewalk
Feb 17, 2009, 1:36 AM
The Onion definitely rules.:haha:

NYguy
Feb 17, 2009, 12:59 PM
Carly75 (http://flickr.com/photos/28900333@N08/3285295416/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3479/3285295416_6a01917f2b_b.jpg

NYC2ATX
Feb 18, 2009, 8:56 PM
When all is said and done, the Barclay-Vesey building is going to be drowning in a sea of glass like never before. It should be quite a sight to see. :tup:

Plokoon11
Feb 18, 2009, 11:55 PM
Man I want all the towers to go up fast but I know that isn't happening. It will be a wonderful site to see in the south end of the island.

colemonkee
Feb 19, 2009, 5:27 AM
Wow, 7 looks great in that shot.

A-K O.G.
Feb 19, 2009, 5:28 AM
Like NYguy stated, come back a few months from now, you WILL be estonished...but only in a few months, we have been thru the digging down, now rising up...

NYguy
Feb 19, 2009, 6:02 AM
Wow, 7 looks great in that shot.

Yeah, that's the slim, fit, and sharp angle of the tower. From the other side, you can see it's a fat one. Also, you can see how much more needs to be done before the floors really start jumping.

NYguy
Feb 19, 2009, 4:57 PM
belario (http://flickr.com/photos/belario/3291628079/sizes/o/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3291628079_41b1a5738f_o.jpg

DecoJim
Feb 19, 2009, 7:12 PM
When all is said and done, the Barclay-Vesey building is going to be drowning in a sea of glass like never before. It should be quite a sight to see. :tup:

While its great to see the new construction and the recovery from 9/11, the Barclay-Vesey Building is one of my favorite buildings (one of the first Art Deco style skyscrapers) and its a shame for it to become nearly hidden by all the modern structures.

hunser
Feb 19, 2009, 7:44 PM
While its great to see the new construction and the recovery from 9/11, the Barclay-Vesey Building is one of my favorite buildings (one of the first Art Deco style skyscrapers) and its a shame for it to become nearly hidden by all the modern structures.

sooner or later EVERY highrise building (including art decostyle - buildings / skyscrapers) is going to be HIDDEN or SWALLOWED UP by new supertalls. you just can't stop this process.

meh_cd
Feb 19, 2009, 9:33 PM
While its great to see the new construction and the recovery from 9/11, the Barclay-Vesey Building is one of my favorite buildings (one of the first Art Deco style skyscrapers) and its a shame for it to become nearly hidden by all the modern structures.

On the contrary, I think it'll be a nice contrast to the modern glass towers that surround it. If anything it'll stand out even more. I can't wait to look down at it from the observation deck!

DecoJim
Feb 19, 2009, 10:09 PM
On the contrary, I think it'll be a nice contrast to the modern glass towers that surround it. If anything it'll stand out even more. I can't wait to look down at it from the observation deck!

I have nothing against the contrast of different styles; on the contrary - I like it. I just do not like it when great buildings are surrounded on all sides by other structures so they become largely hidden from view. For example at first glance Houston has only modern glass boxes in its skyline, you have to get into the downtown to notice that there are some nice older high-rises as well.

QuarterMileSidewalk
Feb 20, 2009, 3:28 AM
sooner or later EVERY highrise building (including art decostyle - buildings / skyscrapers) is going to be HIDDEN or SWALLOWED UP by new supertalls. you just can't stop this process.

That would be incredible... can you just imagine a future when the Empire State Building is surrounded by towers a thousand feet taller than it?

Remember how small everything Downtown looked with the old Twin Towers?

NYguy
Feb 20, 2009, 6:45 AM
I just do not like it when great buildings are surrounded on all sides by other structures so they become largely hidden from view.

Density is the Manhattan way. The towers are just meant to be surrounded. You'd be surprised at the many hidden jewels if you walked around Manhattan. But that's New York. The BV isn't becoming invisible, it'll just be a part of a great canyon. And things could've been worse. It could have been destroyed on 9/11.

Kingofthehill
Feb 20, 2009, 7:11 AM
Sharp as a tack !

RockMont
Feb 20, 2009, 3:10 PM
Density is the Manhattan way. The towers are just meant to be surrounded. You'd be surprised at the many hidden jewels if you walked around Manhattan. But that's New York. The BV isn't becoming invisible, it'll just be a part of a great canyon. And things could've been worse. It could have been destroyed on 9/11.



OK you'll have to pardon my ignorance, but what is the BV?

RockMont
Feb 20, 2009, 3:11 PM
That would be incredible... can you just imagine a future when the Empire State Building is surrounded by towers a thousand feet taller than it?

Remember how small everything Downtown looked with the old Twin Towers?

It's going to look like that after the new towers have gone up too.

lakegz
Feb 20, 2009, 9:16 PM
By me taken today 2/20

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2341/49/115/2512086/n2512086_45139575_706.jpg

looking down on the north core
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2341/49/115/2512086/n2512086_45139572_333.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2341/49/115/2512086/n2512086_45139567_9586.jpg

Dac150
Feb 20, 2009, 9:22 PM
OK you'll have to pardon my ignorance, but what is the BV?

The Barclay-Vesey Building (aka. Verizon)

theWatusi
Feb 20, 2009, 10:56 PM
looks like the North core maybe has two pours till it's caught up

Plokoon11
Feb 21, 2009, 1:00 AM
I only see one core which is the concrete piece. What is this talk with two cores?

scalziand
Feb 21, 2009, 1:10 AM
^^The other (north) core is still below ground level, so that's why it's hard to see.

NYguy
Feb 21, 2009, 12:32 PM
A few more from yesterday

FEBRUARY 20, 2009

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405339/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405345/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405364/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405371/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405375/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405391/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405392/large.jpg


Bonus shots from the BV building...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405422/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/109405445/large.jpg

talltowers08
Feb 21, 2009, 12:45 PM
Any idea when they will get the freedom tower colums to suport the overhang at the north side of the tower ?

theWatusi
Feb 21, 2009, 1:46 PM
great set of pictures :cheers:

Puzzlecraft
Feb 21, 2009, 4:02 PM
Nice set of pictures - good shot of the rebar for the N. Core.

Since yesterday a some new steel has been placed in the latest staging area - laying on the roof of Calatrava's arched walkway - last time I saw steel staged there it went up really fast.

Indescribable
Feb 21, 2009, 4:17 PM
NYGuy,

In your third picture from the top, what is that building going up in the background? Is that a spire or crane on the top?

Dac150
Feb 21, 2009, 4:41 PM
NYGuy,

In your third picture from the top, what is that building going up in the background? Is that a spire or crane on the top?

Beekman Place, there's a thread for it in the highrise construction sub-forum.

pattali
Feb 21, 2009, 5:19 PM
At WTC earthcam, more steel is rising at west of the core .

george
Feb 21, 2009, 5:23 PM
The Emerald City is rising, bring it!

NYguy
Feb 22, 2009, 1:48 AM
At WTC earthcam, more steel is rising at west of the core .

That's always good news...

shakman
Feb 22, 2009, 6:53 AM
Yeah!!!

Big time progress. I hope it continues.

NYguy
Feb 22, 2009, 1:17 PM
cpckilcullen (http://flickr.com/photos/32691792@N08/3295383437/sizes/o/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3370/3295383437_1435aa5c4b_o.jpg

NYguy
Feb 22, 2009, 1:25 PM
morrongiello (http://flickr.com/photos/33965463@N00/3296076050/sizes/l/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3296076050_05ccdc6eae_b.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3293798708_4cfa362cb4_b.jpg

theWatusi
Feb 22, 2009, 2:39 PM
dig it

Dac150
Feb 22, 2009, 4:56 PM
Excellent, it's moving at a great pace.