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[charmedone]

Freedom tower is taller than the old WTC by roof height, spire, and pinnacle.

no its has the same roof hight as one world trade center did and its spire is the only thing that makes it really tall i wish they made this building 2001 feet but im happy with what :)

[gttx]

I think the whole design looks cluttered and unoriginal. I would have preferred the original twin towers rebuilt as they were, but with higher quality materials and some kind of high tech emergency evac system. Heck even TWO "Freedom Towers" of the same height right next to each other would have been better than all those shorter slanted roof buildings (despite it's intended sunlight objective- will it really be that noticeable anyways?). Still can't believe this design got accepted.

Have either of you actually kept up with this project? The newest (under construction) design is dramatically different from the picture you posted, and will be an incredible complex.

I don't understand the sentiment of "big towers spaced far apart" - these are huge towers packed tightly together. Say what you want about the architecture, but the density leaves little to be desired.

[onewiseman]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2829234523_606caa1035.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebroberts/2829234523/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebroberts/2830072352/

Photos via mikebroberts on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikebroberts/).

[Renton]

This tower is the same height as 1 World Trade Center (North Tower) at 1368 feet at roof level. They list the South Tower at 1363 feet. So it will be like having 1 of the old towers rebuilt. The new tower two (200 Greenwich Street) is listed at 1350 at top of sphere. Thats pretty tall, only 13 feet shorter than the old tower. So theres no complaints from me about this final approved buildings. People complaining about the new freedom tower should go back to all the other proposals that were submitted. I think its pretty good compared to some of those proposals.

[Lt. Washburn]

Thanks for the pictures. In one of them, you can see just on the other side of that big concrete wall where the underground concourse's beams are, that they have started steel construction for the memorial.

[Wheelingman04]

I wish they would build the towers back as they were. Maybe I am crazy.

[CoolCzech]

Have either of you actually kept up with this project? The newest (under construction) design is dramatically different from the picture you posted, and will be an incredible complex.

I don't understand the sentiment of "big towers spaced far apart" - these are huge towers packed tightly together. Say what you want about the architecture, but the density leaves little to be desired.

People tend to forget we're only talking 16 acres. When one looks out at the site from the Winter Garden atrium, it's actually hard to imagine how all the towers and other structures will fit.

[Scruffy]

9/2/08

Starting to sprout in front of the topped out Goldman Sachs Headquarters. For reference, Goldman is around 740ft.
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Street level view
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[2-TOWERS]

I was down there on sept 3rd and they have indeed made great progress. the whole pit where the ramp is is all concrete on the bottom. no more dirt is visible. i got up close to the path tracks also and took great pictures.

[NYC4Life]

Love the progression at the site. Can't wait for the other towers to start rising.

[theWatusi]

The site is looking more and more complicated every week.

Nice update :cheers:

[Lecom]

Remember, encased in conctrete, scribbled on one of the columns, is the SSP tag.

[harryc]

Thank you Scruffy - that first shot is spectacular.

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2008/Picture115.jpg

[OU812]

I wish they would build the towers back as they were. Maybe I am crazy.


Thank you! Me too!!


Maybe the plans will change yet again and they'll build 2 Freedom Towers of the same height, side by side... All the other buildings- faghettaboutit!


NYC wants it's twins back!!

[photoLith]

Good to actually see some pictures. Maybe with bringing this forum back to the rest of us it will reinvigorate it. Keep the pictures coming. In the past there was a picture maybe like once every 2 weeks or so.

People, dont start that crap about wanting the original towers back. People would never ever work there in a million years if they rebuilt them so it will never ever happen so drop it.

[NYC4Life]

Agree, the memory of what took place there would only be brought back to life with a rebuilt Twin Towers. Family members who lost a relative would never want to see them rebuilt.

[theWatusi]

Thank you! Me too!!


Maybe the plans will change yet again and they'll build 2 Freedom Towers of the same height, side by side... All the other buildings- faghettaboutit!


NYC wants it's twins back!!

Are you the reincarnation of TalB? :sly:

[harryc]

Thank you Carlos

[myshtern]

That is one incredibly complicated looking site.

[America 117]

so when are we going to start to see floors.

[charmedone]

so when are we going to start to see floors.

probley not till jan 09 i wanna say i could be wrong though

[Lt. Washburn]

Thanks for the pictures!

[Lt. Washburn]

Did anything come of this?

http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=1118

[talltowers08]

I hope who ever gets in will take some realy good photos like the ones we jst had put up . I also hope the media dont take the photos and make a report saying look how little progress they have made cause that is just Bulls#'! lol .

[Austin55]

Are you the reincarnation of TalB? :sly:

There are several,actually.:shrug:

Thank you guys for the pictures,much appriciated.

[Apathanoia]

There are several,actually.:shrug:

Thank you guys for the pictures,much appriciated.

Could we just delete their posts and pretend they never existed? Such talk today is tantamount to trolling.

In addition, those TwinHippie websites that think "big things will happen"--well, it may have comedic value.:lmao: Maybe you could find a way to make an Internet meme out of it--remember the Iraqi Information Minister?--but such material doesn't belong in any of these forums.

This is strictly about the Freedom Tower (and the rest of the WTC as it comes along). Just keep to that and hope that the timetable is more optimistic when it comes out later this month.

[williamchung taiwan]

The construction site makes me interesting.
Four buildings are in progress.

[2-TOWERS]

i was wondering if there is a moderator i can e-mail several close up pics i took when i was down there on sept. 3rd . maybe NY GUY
EVERYONE HAS BEEN POSTING GREAT PICS AND I WANT TO DO THE SAME AS I HAVE REALLY GOOD ONES

[Renton]

i was wondering if there is a moderator i can e-mail several close up pics i took when i was down there on sept. 3rd . maybe NY GUY
EVERYONE HAS BEEN POSTING GREAT PICS AND I WANT TO DO THE SAME AS I HAVE REALLY GOOD ONES

You could always use a site like Flickr to upload pics here. If you have a yahoo email account, that will get you access to Flickr. Site is free for small pic uploads. Fee for people with allot of pics.

[androo3]

When did they officially start construction on this one?

[ChicagoSpire2000]

Hey. Ive been following the site (as in the website, not the WTC site) for a while now and finally decided to join. And for the first post, I have 2 questions, one on topic, one a little bit off topic

On Topic
When will they start making floors?

A Little Bit Off Topic
What are the tallest Serious Proposals/Under Con. buildings in NYC that will rank tallest after the Freedom Tower?

[Austin55]

Hey. Ive been following the site (as in the website, not the WTC site) for a while now and finally decided to join. And for the first post, I have 2 questions, one on topic, one a little bit off topic

On Topic
When will they start making floors?

A Little Bit Off Topic
What are the tallest Serious Proposals/Under Con. buildings in NYC that will rank tallest after the Freedom Tower?

hmm,no sure? next year?

nothing.

[Scruffy]

the only new proposals that are up there in the rankings are all smaller than wtc 1 and 2. Tower Verre and Manhattan West are both 1100 something

[Lecom]

That is one incredibly complicated looking site.

It sure is. When you factor in the fact that the site isn't just some run-of-the-mill megaproject but is worked on by several developers, owners, public figures etc, not counting the dozens of subcontractors for various projects within, it's easier to understand the delays at hand.

[WonderlandPark]

I just saw the site yesterday. All of my NYC family and friends, locals and lifelong NYers are embarassed at the whole mess. The rebuilding has been a disaster on all levels, from the recovery that was not complete, the demolition of Deutsche Bank, the design process, the politics, the subway/PATH components, the budget, the egos, the painfully slowness, the delays, the blaming & finger pointing, and around and around the circle goes.

I agree with them. The rebuilding process is an embarassment. I overheard some Brits at the site saying "that's it?" yesterday on the bridge that you walk over to WFC on.

[NYC4Life]

the only new proposals that are up there in the rankings are all smaller than wtc 1 and 2. Tower Verre and Manhattan West are both 1100 something

Can't forget Hudson Yards and Penn Area redevelopment. Both redevelopments could produce towers with roofs higher than Freedom Tower.

[Scruffy]

^ true, but they aren't as far along or as certain as the top two. He asked for the most serious proposals.

[ChicagoSpire2000]

Is the Penn Station the same as the Madison Square Garden Towers?

And I am very excited that all 4 Towers are full steam ahead for the 7th Anni. of the attacks....

[NYC4Life]

Is the Penn Station the same as the Madison Square Garden Towers?

And I am very excited that all 4 Towers are full steam ahead for the 7th Anni. of the attacks....

Yes it is. However; the current MSG is being renovated instead of being razed as it currently stands.

As for the 4 towers, only the Freedom Tower has above grade construction. Estimates currently have the other 3 towers to reach street level by spring 2009.

[ChicagoSpire2000]

^^^Thank you. Because I have heard Penn Station and MSG used in ways that make them sound different, but others act like the same and Ive just been wondering.

And I cant wait for Spring '09 then!!!!

[talltowers08]

Hey any new photos to be put up ???

[2-TOWERS]

Great Pics Are On The Way

[talltowers08]

yaaaaaayyy thanks.

[37TimPPG]

Does anyone know when Gov. Patterson's report with the revised FT schedule will be presented?

[NYC4Life]

Does anyone know when Gov. Patterson's report with the revised FT schedule will be presented?


At the end of this month, possibly on the 30th.

[37TimPPG]

At the end of this month, possibly on the 30th.

Thanks! I know I'll be holding my breath - no more delays....time for full speed ahead!:notacrook:

[photoLith]

I love this building but hate the name. Freedom Tower, that sounds so hokey. It sounds like something that only a Republican could come up with. Why dont they just call it 1 WTC and just forget the whole freedom tower bit.

[ChicagoSpire2000]

^They should also just call 200, 175, and 150 Greenwich 2WTC, 3WTC AND 4WTC.

But I doubt they will. But Im pretty sure the general public will come up with nicknames for them, becuse if I recall properly, North Tower and South Tower were nicknames given to the originals by the people of NYC?

[Ryan81]

I love this building but hate the name. Freedom Tower, that sounds so hokey. It sounds like something that only a Republican could come up with. Why dont they just call it 1 WTC and just forget the whole freedom tower bit.


Real intelligent commentary.....Does it really matter?.....really? Completely irrelevant. Do you realize just how ignorant you make yourself look by your comment?

[37TimPPG]

When will the ramp into the pit be removed?

[Ryan81]

Sorry if this has been posted before. The link below will take you to a video showing the new World Trade Center complex.

http://www.nyc-tower.com/

[Kon133]

W Ground Zero prace nabrały tępa przy budowie Memorialu a dokładniej rozpoczyna się zabudowa tzw. Wanny i budowa basenów tam gdzie stały podstawy Twin Towers:

Have swindled zero in (to) at structure dull work Ground Memorialu but building is started exactly so called bathtub and there structure of basin where bases become Twin Towers

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7123/gjhghjghgjd5.png

[talltowers08]

that dont make sence but ok there is new steel to cover the Path rail lines Progress .

[HyperPower]

The time has come, the World Trade Center is rising again to show New York's financial power around the globe.

[CHAPINM1]

The time has come, the World Trade Center is rising again to show New York's financial power around the globe.

That has to honostly be the best thing I've seen on here other than anything construction related! BTW welcome to the forums!!! ;)

[malec]

Lol, for once this thread is more than half way down the page. :D
(well not anymore :()

[Thymant]

I belive that the freedom tower and WTC,2,3,and 4 should be droped for the ground zero site and instead the 574m (1883ft) WTC Twin towers 2 disign should be built instead. The freedom tower design should be moved to hudson yards or the msg instead because it is a nice design but just not strong enough alone to be the new world trade center.

[HyperPower]

:previous:

http://www.september11news.com/WTC1202DesignFosterPartnersDay.jpg

or

http://curbed.com/2007_09_wtc2.jpg

I'll take either one of the above, they are both very bold and powerful as a symbol of commercial/economic dominance.

[harryc]

Great Pics Are On The Way

These were forwarded to my by 2-Towers.

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[37TimPPG]

WOW! Those were some fantastic pictures!:worship: From the looks of things it would appear the south core of FT is about 2 or 3 stories above street level(??)

When will the north core start to catch up with it southern twin? Also, anyone know when the next delivery of steel beams for FT will arrive? when will the steel start to rise higher?

Progress.....sweet progress!:cheers:

(Looks like the media is overblowing the lack of progress at the WTC site?:shrug: )


And now....the bananas will dance:D
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[RockMont]

WOW! Those were some fantastic pictures!:worship: From the looks of things it would appear the south core of FT is about 2 or 3 stories above ground(??)

When will the north core start to catch up with it southern twin? Also, anyone know when the next delivery of steel beams for FT will arrive? when will the steel start to rise higher?

Progress.....sweet progress!:cheers:

(Looks like the media is overblowing the lack of progress at the WTC site?:shrug: )


And now....the bananas will dance:D
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:



Well once that stump starts to rise above street level, it's going to grow fast.

[Lt. Washburn]

Thanks for the pics! Has anyone ridden through the site on the subway? Is there much to see from the train windows?

[NYC4Life]

Thanks for the pics! Has anyone ridden through the site on the subway? Is there much to see from the train windows?


The 1 subway line runs through the site, but taking the PATH trains gives you a glimpse of the activities. Much of the PATH tunnel leading into and out of the WTC station is partly exposed.

[Starsky]

:previous:

http://www.september11news.com/WTC1202DesignFosterPartnersDay.jpg


I'll take either one of the above, they are both very bold and powerful as a symbol of commercial/economic dominance.

Usually I like Fosters designs but the above is just ugly, even with the spectacular sunset he is using to enhance the look. It is crooked, like some twisted abomination that would be forged in the mind of a Leibeskind or Gherry.

[photoLith]

Yes, I agree, that tower above is just terrible. It reminds me of the 80s for some reason which was full of horrid styles lol

[Puzzlecraft]

From the construction pictures it is not clear that there IS going to be a north core looking like the south core. The construction activitythere appears different. Maybe the north area will have larger interior spaces?

[Islander]

It's FINALLY happening! :hyper:

[RockMont]

I'll say this again:

It's about bloody time!

[Ccastro87]

http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/109346

Port Authority Approves Freedom Tower Contracts
by Bob Hennelly
NEW YORK, NY September 16, 2008 —Despite the current global financial turmoil, the Port Authority's Board of Commissioners went ahead today and approved several key contracts for the construction of the Freedom Tower.

WNYC's Bob Hennelly was there and has this report.

Fully 95 percent of the contracts needed to complete the $3 billion Freedom Tower have now been signed. Port Authority

Chairman Anthony Coscia said despite the current downturn, the agency's plans for the tower's 2.6 million square feet of office space remained viable.

COSCIA: This is an agency that for 80 plus years has been building through cycles and supporting the New York, New Jersey regional economy through good times and not so good. We built some of our most iconic structures frankly during the depression era

REPORTER: In two weeks, Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward is slated to release a report ordered by Gov. David Paterson that will include an updated timeline and cost estimate for the entire Freedom Tower complex and transportation hub.

For WNYC I’m Bob Hennelly

[NYC4Life]

New York Observer

Coming Oct. 2: The September WTC Report


by Eliot Brown | September 18, 2008

http://www.observer.com/files/imagecache/article/files/observatory_9_3.jpg
Joe Woolhead / Courtesy of Silverstein Properties.


Port Authority officials rushing to create a comprehensive report on the World Trade Center redevelopment by the end of the month are getting a small reprieve. The report, which is expected to have a new timetable for the site's completion and a new (higher) price tag, was once slated for issuance Sept. 29 but is now due to be released Oct. 2.

The reason, according to a Port Authority spokesman: Rosh Hashanah, which runs Sept. 29 - Oct. 1.

[10101000]

Usually I like Fosters designs but the above is just ugly, even with the spectacular sunset he is using to enhance the look. It is crooked, like some twisted abomination that would be forged in the mind of a Leibeskind or Gherry.

I liked it too.

[Apathanoia]

Usually I like Fosters designs but the above is just ugly, even with the spectacular sunset he is using to enhance the look. It is crooked, like some twisted abomination that would be forged in the mind of a Leibeskind or Gherry.

A strange thought came to me. Those long rejected Foster "kissing towers" made me think of jeans. Pants. The top of it would need a bit more added to the middle so it doesn't look like they expose the...you know...area.:naughty:

BTW, Why do I have this feeling even more delays are nigh, even after the timetable has been released? The 3 day delay in just getting the report...it may be happening already?

[talltowers08]

Looking at the earthcam images it looks like they are putting the last sub-grade floor in . I may be mistaken but look for yourself and correct me if im wrong thanks. http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

[Lt. Washburn]

Yeah, it looks like that! Looking around the site you can see a lot of stuff. More of that memorial steel looks like it's gone in. More of that trussing and it's covering over parts of the subway.

It really does look like they might be doing something I wondered about for awhile: filling in the hole around the tower up to ground level, rather than leaving it standing in an open pit while they built up. I still hope that they construct this tower sort of like how the Trump was done, so that lower levels get to at least looking complete with cladding as soon as it's possible, rather than waiting forever with mostly structural elements.

[FerrariEnzo]

Quote: The reason, according to a Port Authority spokesman: Rosh Hashanah, which runs Sept. 29 - Oct. 1.


The due date was Sept. 29th, that shouldnt be an issue, in addition if Rosh Hashanah was sacred then why is the date right after it? NYC never stops never sleeps but were gonna put on hold the cities most important project in a half century for some matza balls. Great.

[jjk1103]

......given the meltdown in the economy over the last month......we may all be looking at the WTC "big hole" for many years to come.........no matter how this is funded, it's going to cost NYC a lot of money.......and I think NYC just had a "big hole" put in its' budget.......

[Ccastro87]

Quote: The reason, according to a Port Authority spokesman: Rosh Hashanah, which runs Sept. 29 - Oct. 1.


The due date was Sept. 29th, that shouldnt be an issue, in addition if Rosh Hashanah was sacred then why is the date right after it? NYC never stops never sleeps but were gonna put on hold the cities most important project in a half century for some matza balls. Great.


Hey,
Be nice. Lets try to keep the anti-semitic remarks to a minimum.

[37TimPPG]

......given the meltdown in the economy over the last month......we may all be looking at the WTC "big hole" for many years to come.........no matter how this is funded, it's going to cost NYC a lot of money.......and I think NYC just had a "big hole" put in its' budget.......

It's really difficult to say at the moment how everything will work out. It is in NO ONE'S interest to have a 16-acre hole in lower Manhattan. New York City needs this area to be developed AND completed as quickly as possible.

OK, Mayor Bloomberg....time to crack the whip:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:

[aaron38]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/22/nyregion/22rocks_650.jpg

Ice Age Features Found at World Trade Center Site
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426103,00.html

NEW YORK — Construction workers digging at ground zero have uncovered a 40-foot pothole and other features carved by glaciers about 20,000 years ago.

Unearthing these glacial features has been critical in preparing the foundation for Tower 4 of the new World Trade Center, being built by Silverstein Properties at the southeast corner of the site. Engineers need a clear understanding of the contours of the rock.

"You want to make sure you're not perching something on a ledge," said Anthony Pontecorvo, a supervising structural engineer at Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers, which is working on the project.

The bedrock could not be mapped until the soil was removed and the surface was fully exposed. But besides being an engineering necessity, the unearthing of geological features has offered scientists a rare window into the deep past.

[Apathanoia]

It's really difficult to say at the moment how everything will work out. It is in NO ONE'S interest to have a 16-acre hole in lower Manhattan. New York City needs this area to be developed AND completed as quickly as possible.

OK, Mayor Bloomberg....time to crack the whip:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:

But doing so...could that mean 16 acres, zero (non-government) tenants?
Who knows how long this crisis will last...2 years, 5 years, maybe a Second Great Depression, maybe a Japanese-style bear market, maybe Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation.

Maybe the WTC will be scaled back...FT/1 WTC loses its spire/antenna, while 2-4 are half their height, and the DB site is a park? Chicago Spire may be scrapped or reduced 50%? I don't know, but I am kind of paranoid about the economy and pessimistic about all of this.

[Lt. Washburn]

......given the meltdown in the economy over the last month......we may all be looking at the WTC "big hole" for many years to come.........no matter how this is funded, it's going to cost NYC a lot of money.......and I think NYC just had a "big hole" put in its' budget.......

I'd find it unlikely that the freedom tower and the memorial wouldn't be finished. I don't have a good reason to believe the other buildings won't get built, but they're more believable for getting delayed somehow.

[RockMont]

......given the meltdown in the economy over the last month......we may all be looking at the WTC "big hole" for many years to come.........no matter how this is funded, it's going to cost NYC a lot of money.......and I think NYC just had a "big hole" put in its' budget.......

http://www.wtc.com/news/port--wtc-towers-will-weather-shaky-financial-storm

[nygirl1]

Lt. Washburn, don't you know? It is so in fashion to panic. I don't think jjk will see much of a slow down in NYC.

[PhxPavilion]

Considering the dumbasses in our government are wasting upwards of a trillion of the taxpayers dollars bailing out the morons running our banks I think it's unlikely the FT is in any danger of not being completed, especially considering the spotlight on it.

[CHAPINM1]

Taken by me Sunday around 4:00 PM at ground level. I'd probably say were now up to 20 to 30 feet... :tup:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/CHAPINM1/P1014693.jpg?t=1222234182

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/CHAPINM1/P1014694.jpg?t=1222234687 (javascript:void(0);)

[photoLith]

Only 1337 feet to go!

[Patrick]

Oh lordy what a failure.

[CHAPINM1]

Only 1337 feet to go!

More like 1,736... :rolleyes:

[NYC4Life]

More like 1,736... :rolleyes:

...And 5 more years :hell:

[37TimPPG]

...And 5 more years :hell:


Patience, my friends!.....patience.....:haha:

[NYC4Life]

Patience, my friends!.....patience.....:haha:

Difficult to have patience after seven long years :yuck:

[Lt. Washburn]

Will they build through winter. Do constructions sites shut down when it snows?

[theWatusi]

They will build all year long

[androo3]

Difficult to have patience after seven long years :yuck:

They built Burj in less time :sly:

[CGII]

They built Burj in less time :sly:

They also built the Burj with near slave labour in an environment where safety precautions are relaxed. Also the Burj was not built to be explosion proof or built on a majour transit hub. So really you are comparing apples to oranges.


In any case, I was watching the sunrise from DUMBO the other day and I was thinking about the skyline and how much it is going to change over the next few years. Everyone should just settle down and enjoy it the way it is now, it's in a very rare state, between World Trade Centers. Today will be, historically, that short and awkward period in the history of the downtown NY skyline where there were no Twin Towers but there also wasn't a new WTC. Like how there was a brief time where there was a Chrysler Building but no ESB. It's a unique period, historically, and we should be enjoying it while it lasts.

[Bergenser]

Good to see it rising!
We have waited long enough.

[Surrealplaces]

It's taking a long time, but now that it's above ground we should see it start moving faster. :tup:

[ardecila]

Considering the dumbasses in our government are wasting upwards of a trillion of the taxpayers dollars bailing out the morons running our banks I think it's unlikely the FT is in any danger of not being completed, especially considering the spotlight on it.

People love to blame the banks for screwing up our economy, and set this up as an us vs. them situation. None of you realize that the individual prosperity of Americans is directly linked to the financial well-being of banks and other financial institutions...

The better the situation of your bank, the more likely they are to extend you that loan on the bigger house or nicer car - major purchases and uses of credit that nearly ALL Americans require today. Even if you have good enough credit to get that loan/mortgage you need in this economy, you're probably getting a higher interest rate.

[NYC4Life]

More rebars in place

By: Lofter1 (Wired New York) (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=4502)

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6372&d=1222380702

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6373&d=1222380728