NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[NewYorkDominates]

But I never understood how a $10 million change dictates whether its 1,368' or 1,776'(that's a 408' difference),or whether its a spire or an antenna.Or it's just me thinking it too hard and looking at it from a financial standpoint and not the aesthetic.

[sw5710]

as per the CTBUH, a spire is an architectural element therefore it is considered the 'official' height. If you stick an antenna on the spire the official height remains the same, even if the antenna increases the pinnacle. A good example of this is 4 Times Square in NYC. (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=3837) Notice it has a spire height and an antenna height (the antenna was added later) The CTBUH recognizes the spire height as the official height.
1 WTC is a weird case. The mast is being built as a part of the building like a spire but it's purpose is to support broadcasting equipment. People also make the argument that the special beacon that sits atop the mast is an architectural element so the mast can be considered a spire

Interesting. Thanks for the info! I see on aviation charts for NYC that the 1WTC is listed as 1,792' AGL that is to the top of the lightning rod.

[TechTalkGuy]

:previous: The antenna spire looks quite huge in the photos, so I shall judge after the entire structure is complete. :cool:

[PZelda]

yeah its a spire.

I like the new glass with the slots.
slits in the glass seem strange , is there other tall buildings
with similiar glass?

I believe these slits are there to serve as vents for the mechanical floors. All the hot air that is produced has to go somewhere! :D IIRC the twins had some floors that were like that as well, but I don't quite recall which ones at the moment. Sky lobby floors? (44th and 78th in each tower, I think)

[OptimumPx]

I believe these slits are there to serve as vents for the mechanical floors. All the hot air that is produced has to go somewhere! :D IIRC the twins had some floors that were like that as well, but I don't quite recall which ones at the moment. Sky lobby floors? (44th and 78th in each tower, I think)
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tenants_in_One_World_Trade_Center) it was floors 7, 8, 41, 42, 75, 76, 109, and 108.

[NYguy]

nah
I think most people will say that the footprints of the original towers are the most important element.
That being said however, the loss of the radome enclosure does diminish the impact of this tower.

The memorial itself is not necessarily a part of the site plan (it had its own design competition). The site plan was for the spiral of office towers that climaxed with the symbolic spire of 1,776 ft, lit to be representative of Liberty's torch. It was the only design element mandated on the towers.



The antenna spire looks quite huge in the photos,


It will be huge. We're talking about a 400 ft structure. But the original was huge too. BTW, I haven't seen anything on when the cables will be installed, at what point.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/147498475/medium.jpg



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[mat97]

new glass on the north-east and south-west !!:worship::cheers:

[Hudson11]

lots of progress :cheers:

from earthcam
http://oi49.tinypic.com/2dmeas4.jpg

from KPITV cams
http://oi49.tinypic.com/24g360i.jpg

[-Filipe-]

wow glass is going up like crazy :O

[AlphaCentauri]

lots of progress :cheers:

from earthcam
http://oi49.tinypic.com/2dmeas4.jpg

from KPITV cams
http://oi49.tinypic.com/24g360i.jpg

0_0
Wow now the glass is going up fast!
It wont be long until this project is finally completed.

[pnapp1]

Also a lot of progress today on the North East side as well. :tup:

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_2013-01-17.jpg
Image via KPITV Webcam

[Trevor Birchett]

Wow, the new glass is amazing! It's almost surreal seeing the glass that high. I can't wait to visit someday.

[marshall]

Wow seeing the glass that high is amazing! So close to the top, finally! Hope the rest gets on fast. Any idea when the whole antenna will be finished? How about when all the glass is predicted to reach the roof?

[Hurricanes]

If I may ask, what are the purpose of the vents taking shape on the side of the building. They certainly have a cool look to them.
-Joel

[Otie]

She needs to breathe. ;)

[Roadcruiser1]

If I may ask, what are the purpose of the vents taking shape on the side of the building. They certainly have a cool look to them.
-Joel

They are mechanical vents for the mechanical floors. The ventilation helps cool the equipment in the tower. Skyscrapers all over the world have them to ventilate their mechanical equipment. Here are some examples....

The former Twin Towers of the World Trade Center had mechanical vents. Note the stripes on the Towers. Those stripes marked the mechanical floors in the Twin Towers.
http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/j/p/TwinTowers02iStock.jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/j/p/TwinTowers02iStock.jpg

The Ryugyong Hotel in Pyongyang, North Korea also has mechanical vents. Note the darker window stripes on the tower.
http://www.nknews.org/2012/09/finally-first-pics-inside-the-ryugyong-north-koreas-skyscraper-we-thought-theyd-never-finish/
http://www.nknews.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ImageProxy1.jpg

These skyscrapers are only some examples of skyscrapers with mechanical vents for their floors. There are plenty more out there.

Wow seeing the glass that high is amazing! So close to the top, finally! Hope the rest gets on fast. Any idea when the whole antenna will be finished? How about when all the glass is predicted to reach the roof?

Late February or early March.

[Hurricanes]

Excellent! Thanks for the response guys.
-Joel

[Marc from Rotterdam]

If I may ask, what are the purpose of the vents taking shape on the side of the building. They certainly have a cool look to them.
-Joel

The actual meaning of "mechanical vents" is that fresh air is taken into the building here (inlet vents).

Via one or more air handling units, the outside air is heated or cooled, and moisturised if necessary.

In general, 10% fresh (*) air is taken in continuously, while 90% is recirculated. So also 10% used air is blown to outside via the outlet vents.
If 100% would be taken in as fresh air, this would require a tremendous amount of energy. So this is never done.


As air handling equipment requires a lot of space for such buildings, the units are grouped on certain dedicated "technical floors".
These floors may be higher than the office or residential floors in a building.
Noise and vibrations are always an issue.


(*) This is a European/Dutch figure, it may be different in the USA.

[Skyguy_7]

The actual meaning of "mechanical vents" is that fresh air is taken into the building here (inlet vents).

Via one or more air handling units, the outside air is heated or cooled, and moisturised if necessary.

In general, 10% fresh (*) air is taken in continuously, while 90% is recirculated. So also 10% used air is blown to outside via the outlet vents.
If 100% would be taken in as fresh air, this would require a tremendous amount of energy. So this is never done.


As air handling equipment requires a lot of space for such buildings, the units are grouped on certain dedicated "technical floors".
These floors may be higher than the office or residential floors in a building.
Noise and vibrations are always an issue.


(*) This is a European/Dutch figure, it may be different in the USA.


I'm an HVAC Contractor in Chicago, and you are correct, Marc, though those percentages do vary between cities/states. Oh and we call them "Mechanical Floors" here, and not every opening will be dedicated to outside air intake.. They will utilize some openings for exhaust air coming from bathrooms, kitchens, server rooms etc.

[VerizonTower]

Well, I found two pretty cool renderings in Huffington Post:

Credit: Durst
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/243405/slide_243405_1344972_free.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/243405/slide_243405_1344976_free.jpg

[aquablue]

Why is the spire nearly invisible during the day? That is shocking, I'm appalled. All that big fuss about 1776 and now you can hardly see the spire at all during the day, what a laugh.

[-Filipe-]

Why is the spire nearly invisible during the day? That is shocking, I'm appalled. All that big fuss about 1776 and now you can hardly see the spire at all during the day, what a laugh.

wait and see when its completed.. then judge it lol

i dont like those renders..look at 4 wtc..it looks nothing like that in real life..(color of it) my favorite renderings are

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145266216/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145266217/original.jpg

[O-tacular]

Why is the spire nearly invisible during the day? That is shocking, I'm appalled. All that big fuss about 1776 and now you can hardly see the spire at all during the day, what a laugh.

Good! It looks better without the rusty toothpick. In all seriousness, now that they eliminated all aspects of the architectural design, it actually looks better without the antenna. I think the building design holds its own quite well.

[NewYorkDominates]

joshb_3d
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[NYguy]

It looks better without the rusty toothpick. In all seriousness, now that they eliminated all aspects of the architectural design, it actually looks better without the antenna. I think the building design holds its own quite well.

I think it does as well. It's actually a very nice looking building, and I love the way the light reflects off of it. It's always stunning when seen from live shots on tv. Pictures don't
really do it justice, but that antenna is not a nice way to top it off, though some people will like it obviously. Years from now, people will look back and wonder
"what were they thinking?"



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[-Filipe-]

or people are going to be thinking..why did i hate it to begin with :) we dont really know the final product till its completed..and people will eventually get to like it..

[hunser]

or people are going to be thinking..why did i hate it to begin with :) we dont really know the final product till its completed..and people will eventually get to like it..

As much as I hate to say it but people are easy to please. The majority will not be aware of the fact they got ripped off.

[ThatOneGuy]

Again people using 'rusty' to describe the antenna?

It's frigging silver. What's so hard?

[Fishman92]

Again people using 'rusty' to describe the antenna?

It's frigging silver. What's so hard?

Amazes me how people just can't tell that it was just the lighting in the render.

[O-tacular]

You guys do realize that unless they coat it with some form of paint it's going to go straight to rust in the elements right?

[O-tacular]

or people are going to be thinking..why did i hate it to begin with :) we dont really know the final product till its completed..and people will eventually get to like it..

I'm sure that's what Durst is saying. That misses the point though. People shouldn't have to eventually learn to tolerate it. It's not like it's some avant-guard architectural spire that takes people time to process. It's a stripped down antenna rig that never should have seen the light of day under the radome.

[deepen915]

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/9460765@N08/8392010679/sizes/l/in/photostream/

this has to be fake..

[Chapelo]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8518/8392485207_e729693088_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030045@N06/8392485207/)
1 WTC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030045@N06/8392485207/) by drken10003 (http://www.flickr.com/people/28030045@N06/), on Flickr

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[NYC GUY]

^^^
Whoa I have to say iv'e been impressed with the glass progress recently keep it going.

Just read something on ssc that the spire was installed wrong is this true?

[CoolCzech]

I'm sure that's what Durst is saying. That misses the point though. People shouldn't have to eventually learn to tolerate it. It's not like it's some avant-guard architectural spire that takes people time to process. It's a stripped down antenna rig that never should have seen the light of day under the radome.

I just find it odd that it took years to decide on a site plan, during which we were told that unless the redevelopment of the WTC was a public prolonged process the site would be developed by crass contractors that would build crap complete with hideous antennas.

Then overnight and without any comment by anyone in government at all, the single most important architectural element of the whole complex was redone in arguably the most crass way possible. I don't think the final product will really be all that bad - I'll wager quite a few will be singing the antenna's praises by the time it's finished - but still... the way it was decided upon makes a mockery of the entire site design selection process.

[Yankee fan for life]

Why is the spire nearly invisible during the day? That is shocking, I'm appalled. All that big fuss about 1776 and now you can hardly see the spire at all during the day, what a laugh.

From where i live i can see the empire state building antenna and i live 18 miles away, so 1 wtc mast will have to be visible just wait till the finished product and don't let those renderings fool you.

[AlphaCentauri]

joshb_3d
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8083/8392010679_88143f5bcf_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9460765@N08/8392010679/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8392728495_b05ced9064_z.jpg

http://www.well.com/~dmsml/empire.html

I was wondering when this would be seen again.

[Bluenote]

I being a Canadian am opposed to this antenna lol. It puts it 15 meters taller then our CN Tower and thus I am going to start a proposition to put a 16 meter flag pole on top of the CN Tower lol. :)


EDIT my mistake.

CN Tower still sits taller at 1,815.4 ft , no cheating guys and sneaking in a taller antenna lol

[Dense_Electric]

You guys do realize that unless they coat it with some form of paint it's going to go straight to rust in the elements right?

Yeah, I bet they're just going to leave their multi-million dollar antenna/spire/whatever out there in the elements without paint protection to rust :rolleyes:

[Yankee fan for life]

I being a Canadian am opposed to this antenna lol. It puts it 15 meters taller then our CN Tower and thus I am going to start a proposition to put a 16 meter flag pole on top of the CN Tower lol. :)

No the CN tower at 1,815 is still taller than 1 wtc by 39 feet,so there is noting to be worried aboot lol.

[Flash]

http://images.metroscenes.com/images/2013/new-york-city-january-2013/new_york_city_january_2013_metroscenes.com_35.jpg

http://images.metroscenes.com/images/2013/new-york-city-january-2013/new_york_city_january_2013_metroscenes.com_38.jpg

http://images.metroscenes.com/images/2013/new-york-city-january-2013/new_york_city_january_2013_metroscenes.com_39.jpg

http://images.metroscenes.com/images/2013/new-york-city-january-2013/new_york_city_january_2013_metroscenes.com_40.jpg

[Totojuice]

Yeah, I bet they're just going to leave their multi-million dollar antenna/spire/whatever out there in the elements without paint protection to rust :rolleyes:

um......I actually wouldn't be surprised with these cheapskates at Durst.

They'll probably say that they can't paint the antenna because then they'll have to repaint it in 20 years, and that would be too dangerous or something idiotic like that.

[Totojuice]

Why is the spire nearly invisible during the day? That is shocking, I'm appalled. All that big fuss about 1776 and now you can hardly see the spire at all during the day, what a laugh.

Because it's not a spire. It's a skeletal antenna...

[ThatOneGuy]

Maybe the antenna is nearly invisible because it's not standing yet...:facepalm:

[NYCrules]

finally glass panels are sticking...good to look at it...

[deepen915]

Maybe the antenna is nearly invisible because it's not standing yet...:facepalm:

i think he's referring to the renderings. lol

[ThatOneGuy]

^^ That's even worse.

[mrnyc]

:previous: Love the new glass!!!

yeah imo that the glass in general is the best part. glad i was able to see some of the panels up close early on. it is just stunning quality. it really makes this building. and i have to say, it will be a real emotional relief when they get all of it put up.

[NYCrules]

One WTC kinda reflects SWFC off some standpoints of view..Likewise why didn't they have to push the roof pretty higher, so it could be a concrete rival for this Chinese opponent. Plus One WTC is 1/3 times more expensive. Maybe they could have let it soar higher to put its name (Freedom tower) right like it will soon be dwarfed by the other guy in midtown and the name Freedom might not kinda ring...
Still love the New yorky thing though......

[CarlosV]

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[TechTalkGuy]

This tower is ONE WTC -- I just can't stand the name "Freedom Tower" -- it's just wrong in so many ways of how we lost so much freedom since 9/11/01.

[Davidsam52]

Anyone got anymore info on the rumored issues concerning the placement of the first spire piece.....or are they just that - rumors?:shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Thunderpriest]

I have been reading this thread for a few years now, and just wanted to throw my two cents in on a couple of issues. I won't change any minds, and that's fine....but I just want to get some of it off my chest.

#1. The tall metal thingy that will stick out of the top of the building will be recognized as a SPIRE. It is a guyed mast that is being built as an integral part of the structure.
1A. It is NOT an antenna. An antenna is defined as a "metallic device (as a rod or wire) for radiating or receiving radio waves". Whether or not other devices are mounted upon it for the purpose of radiating electromagnetic energy is not pertinent.
1B. According to the CTBUH, this structure will meet it's criteria for inclusion into the building's architectural height. From the CTBUH website:
- Height is measured from the level of the lowest, significant, open-air, pedestrian entrance to the architectural top of the building, including spires, but not including antennae, signage, flag poles or other functional-technical equipment. This measurement is the most widely utilized and is employed to define the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat rankings of the "World's Tallest Buildings."
- Functional-technical equipment: this is intended to recognize that functional-technical equipment is subject to removal/addition/change as per prevalent technologies, as is often seen in tall buildings (e.g., antennae, signage, wind turbines, etc. are periodically added, shortened, lengthened, removed and/or replaced).

OK? The SPIRE does not meet the definition of Functional-technical equipment.

#2. Yes, I much prefer the appearance of the spire with the radome enclosure, and I believe it was removed only as a cost savings measure. It is a travesty that it is not being included, as it was a key aesthetic element. I had earlier posited that the radome could be replaced with sections of tensile fabric that could be raised and lowered like sails...effectively replicating the look of the radome while avoiding the cost/danger of maintenance cited by Durst. Apparently, he doesn't read this forum. :koko:

#3. I personally do not like that the taper at the base of the tower has been squared off. It was an interesting design element, and the squared base is boring. I understand that the prismatic glass didn't work out, but another solution could've been found to maintain the original design. In any case, I can't wait for base cladding to begin in earnest so we can get a glimpse of how it will actually look.

#4. Lastly, I have been following this project since the Twin Towers were brought down....like most of you on here. I scoured the internet for the various proposals for the new WTC. The United Architects proposal was very good, as was Libeskind's original design. (Though the Vertical World Gardens was kinda hokey and would've been better utilized as office space.)
And thank God that the latticework tower design was scrapped!
My point is......it has long been known as the Freedom Tower, and it will carry that moniker for a long time. I know I have, and will, refer to it as the Freedom Tower. If that gets the fur on the back of your neck up...I simply don't care. I am not a New Yorker and would never consider living there...but I feel like this tower belongs as much to me as it does to New York. It is an iconic symbol of national pride, resilience, and defiance in the wake of the worst terrorist attack in history. If it were up to me...the tower would've been the tallest in the world.

Okay....that's all I have to say. I'm not going to argue any points with anyone. I will continue to read this forum until the tower is complete and I can take my sons to visit it in person.
Feel free to discuss amongst yourselves.
:tup:

[Marc from Rotterdam]

[QUOTE=Skyguy_7;5978390]
... and we call them "Mechanical Floors" here, ....
[QUOTE]

Also in Holland they are called mechanical floors by most architects, engineers and contractors.
But although most space is indeed required for mechanical equipment, also essential electrical equipment is installed in such area's (power distribution, fire detection panels, data distribution, etc.).
Therefore, the name "technical floor" is more appropriate to my opinion.

NB
In Holland, there is no building above 160 m. so far.
So in general we do not see more than one or two technical floors in high buildings over here.

[NewYorkDominates]

What could this be?

baqvIDrtJlY

[TechTalkGuy]

:previous: Wow, that looks so cool! :cool:
Now I have to wonder myself what this huge block of concrete will be used for.

[PittsburghPA]

part of the bridges for manhattan west project

[RobEss]

What could this be?

baqvIDrtJlY

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nycmayorsoffice/8384563972/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nycmayorsoffice/8384563972/in/photostream

[NewYorkDominates]

Ok,Thanks a lot guys! :)

helvetica57
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8076/8381205233_e5223b5fe5_b.jpg

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/1%20wtc

[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: QUEENSNY121

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJQCGdmZRw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlct82Qk5ng

[PZelda]

lots of progress :cheers:

from earthcam
http://oi49.tinypic.com/2dmeas4.jpg

from KPITV cams
http://oi49.tinypic.com/24g360i.jpg

Wow, that gave me goosebumps seeing the glass so close to the roof! :D

[NYguy]

or people are going to be thinking..why did i hate it to begin with :) we dont really know the final product till its completed..and people will eventually get to like it..

That's guaranteed.



I just want to get some of it off my chest.

1B. According to the CTBUH, this structure will meet it's criteria for inclusion into the building's architectural height. From the CTBUH website:
- Height is measured from the level of the lowest, significant, open-air, pedestrian entrance to the architectural top of the building, including spires, but not including antennae, signage, flag poles or other functional-technical equipment. OK? The SPIRE does not meet the definition of Functional-technical equipment.


Oh, but it does, and it will. It's why that other biggy, Durst 42nd Street antenna that will serve as a backup to this one isn't counted towards that building's height. However, I wills ay that it is the right thing for the CTBUH to wait until the building is completed. But it's pretty clear from Durst that this shouldn't be included in the buildings height, at least not the criteria used to determine world's tallest buildings. Obviously the tip of the mast will reach nearly 1,800 ft either way.

But beyond the issue of whether or not the antenna will count towards the buildings height, no determination is going to change what it looks like, which frankly is like crap thrown on top of an otherwise nice looking building. No sir, they can't help that. And from everything I've seen so far, the antenna will look exactly as planned.



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A spire extending 408 feet above the roof parapet of the 104-story One WTC will make the building 1,776 feet tall — an elevation set in the Ground Zero master plan. For the building’s architects, the element is more than a tactic for helping the tower achieve a symbolic height. “It is critical to the nature of the design,” says David Childs, SOM consulting design partner. He explains that it visually completes the tower, much the same way a capital completes a column.

For One WTC’s developers, the piece serves another purpose: It is a potential revenue source, providing leasable space for broadcast equipment. And although there are not yet tenants for this real estate, the spire has been designed to meet broadcast industry criteria, including tight limits on lateral movement. Near its tip, the underlying armature is engineered to deflect only 0.5 degrees in a sustained 50-mile-per-hour wind, according to Christian Rieser, an associate with Schlaich Bergermann, the structural consultant for the antenna.

Rieser’s firm devised a 411-foot-4-inch-tall mast with a base and seven stacked sections that gradually decrease in diameter (an eighth section contains an illuminated beacon whose enclosure marks a point 441 feet 4 inches above the roof slab and the 1,776-foot elevation). The mast sections, which range from 40 feet to just over 100 feet long, have different shapes and rely on different fabrication methods. For example, some sections will have 20 sides, others only four. Some will be made of steel plate with cutout zones so that equipment can be inserted, while others will have latticelike construction, affording equipment attachment points. Cast-steel connectors will allow for transition between adjacent sections with differing geometries.

Cables of aramid, a synthetic fiber selected because it does not obstruct broadcast signals, will anchor the antenna under a 65-foot-tall, 125-foot-diameter lattice ring at the mast’s base. The ring will support additional equipment, lighting, and window-washing rigs.

[CarlosV]

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[Dense_Electric]

I vote we all wait until the antenna/spire/mast/whatever else I need to call it to appease you people is completed, painted, and has had the beacon installed before we start trying to determine how it's going to look from a few renderings of varying quality. For that matter, I vote we wait until the entire exterior of the building is finished. THEN we can talk about how it works as a whole.

[Otie]

Miller Hare renderings are pretty accurate, drawings given by the Port Authority.

[jd3189]

Wow, that gave me goosebumps seeing the glass so close to the roof! :D

The day the glass reaches the roof will be the day this tower will be as close to perfect greatness as possible.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM QUEENSNY121

Evening video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCYjIdVJf0&feature=youtu.be

[Dwils01]

This is such a beautiful tower. I'm planning a trip to New York in 2014 and I hope to go up to this tower, would be a dream come true.

[NYCrules]

One WTC VS International Commerce Center??
Which has larger footprint?
Does anybody know???:shrug:

[marshall]

The vertical gap in the glass that runs partially up the tower on the west side, I'm assuming that was for a construction elevator that has since been taken down..When will they fill that gap in with glass? Also, will the dimensions of the base footprint of the tower when finished be the same as the old twins?

[Hudson11]

today from earthcam skyline cam
http://oi49.tinypic.com/1549avk.jpg

[davidinasia]

I've been reading this thread for years but this will be the first image of the building I have ever posted. From JFK airport, December 22nd.

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/3467531.jpg

I know, it's not that good but it's sentimental for me because this was the first time I ever saw WTC1 with my own eyes... the last time I was in NYC, the site was still just a pit except for the PATH station. There would have been better pics except I only spent one night in NYC after an international flight, and had to drive out the next day, didn't have time to go over to the site.

Sorry about the dorky labeling, I used the image for a christmas letter and my relatives wouldn't know what that shape is! ;)

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

Ok,Thanks a lot guys! :)

helvetica57
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8076/8381205233_e5223b5fe5_b.jpg

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/1%20wtc

This is an amazing photo.

[TechTalkGuy]

part of the bridges for manhattan west project

There we go, guys! :D

[bigreach]

One WTC VS International Commerce Center??
Which has larger footprint?
Does anybody know???:shrug:

I would bet ICC since the bottom 10 stories has about a 100 foot entrance, that looks like a ramp from above.

[DURKEY427]

When do you think the glass will be finished?

[PZelda]

The vertical gap in the glass that runs partially up the tower on the west side, I'm assuming that was for a construction elevator that has since been taken down..When will they fill that gap in with glass? Also, will the dimensions of the base footprint of the tower when finished be the same as the old twins?

The elevator is still there, AFAIK, but doesn't reach past about the 40th floor. They just didn't make the elevator any higher than that - the one on the east side (facing Brooklyn) is the only one that goes all the way up to the top. I guess they just decided to start cladding that gap a few floors ago. :D

[QUEENSNYMAN]

Take by me yesterday:

By NYMAN2010

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8357/8397449351_287e084a95_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397449351/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397449351/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8397448981_de736afbef_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397448981/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397448981/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8361/8397448395_f21e4217d6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397448395/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397448395/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8185/8398536346_ae7fdbcece_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398536346/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398536346/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8508/8398536016_3fa88b645a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398536016/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398536016/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8357/8398535500_5183ba7e31_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398535500/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398535500/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8513/8397446879_b98cd593b8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397446879/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397446879/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8498/8398534098_1bc9a485cd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398534098/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398534098/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8514/8398533790_2a7ab776a6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398533790/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8398533790/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8496/8397445453_6c97678ba5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397445453/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397445453/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

[Fluffybagel]

Nice pics :tup:

[N830MH]

Wow! Nice shot! Keep it up the good work.

Let keep'em it coming!!

[NewYorkDominates]

Freedom Pyramid

Tyler Merbler
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8396284329_9c5f8f4ceb_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37527185@N05/8396284329/sizes/l/in/photostream/

[NYguy]

chucknaldo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75709377@N06/8392580987/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8326/8392580987_19563e29fc_b.jpg



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8493/8393672010_083b979fd5_b.jpg



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8493/8393672010_c1c73aaf47_h.jpg

[Dac150]

Those windows need a good washing. ;)

[rockinrolla]

Is the glass past the observation deck yet? thanks

[Dense_Electric]

Nope ;) Those vents going are for the mechanical floors, which are directly underneath the observation decks.

[PMadFlyer]

This is my attempt at making one of those neat renderings you sometimes see in an advertisement or presentation. This took a lot longer than expected, so I might not ever do this again. I worked on the antenna mast base.

Antenna tip with lightning rod, to scale, from prints.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8400638684_e0e0dc854f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8400638684/)
spire tip (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8400638684/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

First attempt, using my new base, which is available to SketchUp users through the 3DWarehouse
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8216/8400639554_9418fd408c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8400639554/)
base red normal (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8400639554/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

The base, this took three renders and an hour.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8353/8399549241_6891f3f443_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8399549241/)
Tower Base layers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8399549241/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

The roof with the new antenna and updated temporary dog house to match the new photos of the roof. Took 2.5 hours, and 7 renders [three to correct for discrepancies among the faster, medium, and finer transparency settings, and the weird render that I'm saving for last.]
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8076/8399547801_9ac3268526_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8399547801/)
Final antenna product (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8399547801/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

What happens if you try to open and use other programs while rendering a 33.5 mb SkethUp model and you run out of RAM.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8400638556_1ff605441e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8400638556/)
Render fail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8400638556/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

so will there be a cast over the antenna?

[marshall]

So once the antenna is installed, will 1WTC be the main hub for all the news broadcasters in the city for their smaller antennas and also piggy-backing off of the main one? Because the old North Tower's roof had a ton of antennas and dishes used by broadcasters, it was the main communications center due to its elevation before the bombing, and then the Empire State Building had to shoulder all of them. So once 1WTC is finished, will 1WTC & the Empire State Building share the transmitters, or will it be the main go-to point for broadcasters like the North Tower?

Also, will there be a platform on top of the communications ring for maintenance workers? And does the tower have window-washing tracks like the twins?

[Thaniel]

[QUOTE=QUEENSNYMAN;5980615]Take by me yesterday:

By NYMAN2010

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8513/8397446879_b98cd593b8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397446879/)
1 World Trade Center January 19, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8397446879/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr


Pic I made from that pic. Left out the window vents:

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/12008666/1024/Anonymous/Finished-WTC6.jpg

[jd3189]

^^^ Pretty good. Was hoping 2 WTC would have shared some more dominance in that view.

[alandot]

man this is like watching grass grow

[PMadFlyer]

man this is like watching grass grow

Hey! I live in the Great Plains of the United States. I have hardly seen grass grow in the past year with this drought [60% below average rainfall since April 2012]. With that said, I think it's pretty exciting stuff to watch, even if it takes time.

[Kittywhompus]

Hey, I finally joined the forum after lurking here for many, many years. :uhh:

I've watched this "monster" rise since it was a hole in the ground! Also, I've enjoyed observing/learning so much here from others and their posts and pictures! Thanks to NYGuy, CarlosV and many more I can't think of off the top of my head for all your input. :cool: I've learned not to keep asking the same question over and over and not to argue about building height vs. a "spire-height" so I will try and be on my best behavior! :haha:

Please keep posting pics of this beauty as the construction progresses (and all others) as people like me really appreciate your great work make this website the best for us skyscraper fanatics!!! :slob::tup:

[NewYorkDominates]

beanhead4529
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8467/8399228908_a3bf508e3a_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8379824@N07/8399228908/sizes/l/in/photostream/

[NYguy]

man this is like watching grass grow

Then don't watch.




So once the antenna is installed, will 1WTC be the main hub for all the news broadcasters in the city for their smaller antennas and also piggy-backing off of the main one?
Because the old North Tower's roof had a ton of antennas and dishes used by broadcasters, it was the main communications center due to its elevation before the bombing,
and then the Empire State Building had to shoulder all of them. So once 1WTC is finished, will 1WTC & the Empire State Building share the transmitters, or will it be the main
go-to point for broadcasters like the North Tower?


It's being built as the main broadcasting hub, though an article I posted a while ago suggested that not all of the broadcasters would be moving back. Some are comfortable
back at the ESB, but it's all a matter of business. The antenna at the Conde Nast will serve as a backup to this one according to Durst's plans. They do believe that they will attract
most if not all of the broadcasters.




A view from Connecticut...

hsalov (http://www.flickr.com/photos/openmecarefully/8400773492/sizes/h/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8400773492_3a0004f27d_h.jpg

[NYCrules]

I would bet ICC since the bottom 10 stories has about a 100 foot entrance, that looks like a ramp from above.
Can you exactly tell me the magnitude of its footprint's length and breadth...
I wonder if it can really get well over 200 feet mark...

[PZelda]

Man. When 1 WTC is fully cladded... you guys will have to drag me away and attempt to mop up the massive amounts of saliva from my face that I'll be leaving behind when I take in the sheer beauty. :slob: And I've already been to NYC 4 different times - once when it was still just a hole in the ground (2006) and 3x since September 2011 so I saw 1 WTC when it was still a baby (albeit a pretty big baby by that point - it reached 1000' during my visit :D). Needless to say, I did a lot of staring at 1 WTC during my last visit! And I don't stare at Manhattan buildings anymore (except for 1/4/7 WTC). :D

:slob: :tup:

[Tall guy 31]

A view from Connecticut...



Do you know where in Conn this is taken from. It's a awesome long distance view.

[Dac150]

^^^ I'd say Greenwich, maybe Stamford.

[2-TOWERS]

^^^ I'd say Greenwich, maybe Stamford.

it looks like OLD GREENWICH private beach...my Aunt lives there and i go there all thew time....its awesome view....I have pics of the former TWINS froim that beach