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[CarlosV]

hi everybody im back. i have missed a lot have not been on this since december 16,2011. i was sick for most of that time. but im back. Happy New Year,everybody. so anyway back to 1 WTC, whats the facts as of January 15,2012? :banana:


^^^
i thought you were dead. LOL just kidding welcome back!

Since you last visit the tower looked like this..............now you be the judge on the progress!

Dec 16, 2011

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Today Jan 15, 2012

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[CarlosV]

NO not true....1 WTC still at 90th floor level.....

[SupertallSkyline88]

^^^
i thought you were dead. LOL just kidding welcome back!

Since you last visit the tower looked like this..............now you be the judge on the progress!

Dec 16, 2011

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Today Jan 15, 2012
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looks like it made a little progress. thanks carlos. :banana:

[Davidsam52]

looks like it made a little progress. thanks carlos. :banana:

If you look to the extreme lower left of the last pic you can make out a jetliner inbound for Newark Int'l. Kinda spooky looking!

[uaarkson]

Weather is not the problem. NYC has been unseasonably warm and dry all month.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

If you look to the extreme lower left of the last pic you can make out a jetliner inbound for Newark Int'l. Kinda spooky looking!

It's weird because I noticed that the black cloud in the first picture looked like a plane too..:eek:

[NewYorkSkyline117]

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[RockMont]

What ever it is that is going on, can anybody give an official, valid answer? Is there any truth to any of these rumours? Has construction really come to a halt? If so, or if not, please confirm or deny? Anybody that is a reliable source. I know that with the floors close to the top, being mechanical floors, that it will take more time to complete, and it will be a slower process. I just hope to hell that it is not an indefinite delay, due to politics or bureaucratic bullshit. If it is slowed because of the complexity of the mechanical floors, that's all right. That is, if that is due to the details of the job, and if that was to be expected. There are just so many rumours and hearsay bandied around here, so can somebody give credible answer?



Once again, can somebody please confirm the truth?

[marshall]

Hey all, haven't been on here for some time, just wondering what the status of 1WTC is now? Is construction stalled? When is the tower going to be topped out? Thanks

[Roadcruiser1]

Hey all, haven't been on here for some time, just wondering what the status of 1WTC is now? Is construction stalled? When is the tower going to be topped out? Thanks

Still under construction not stalled. Topping off is April 2012.

[RockMont]

Thanx, Roadcruiser. Now maybe we can put these tumours, I mean rumours to sleep.

[jd3189]

:previous:Yeah,I couldn't find any news on DCM's bankruptcy. Guess it was just some propaganda crap that someone made up or a misunderstanding. Can't wait until One World Trade Center is the tallest building in NYC. Speaking of that,judging from these conditions, when will 1 WTC surpass the ESB?

[SearsTower]

:previous:Can't wait until One World Trade Center is the tallest building in NYC. Speaking of that,judging from these conditions, when will 1 WTC surpass the ESB?

My guess would be in late February or early March but I don't know for sure.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

:previous:Yeah,I couldn't find any news on DCM's bankruptcy. Guess it was just some propaganda crap that someone made up or a misunderstanding. Can't wait until One World Trade Center is the tallest building in NYC. Speaking of that,judging from these conditions, when will 1 WTC surpass the ESB?

Well it has about 112 feet to go to surpass the ESB

[AerialView]

Has this been asked before? If not then I have to ask because it sounds interesting. What materials are being used for the antenna/spire? Considering how tall the One World Trade's Spire/antenna is, How "shiny" will the antenna get once the sun hits? Could the shine of the antenna be seen miles "deeper" within New Jersey or any other place from lower Manhattan given the materials used ?

[Roadcruiser1]

Has this been asked before? If not then I have to ask because it sounds interesting. What materials are being used for the antenna/spire? Considering how tall the One World Trade's Spire/antenna is, How "shiny" will the antenna get once the sun hits? Could the shine of the antenna be seen miles "deeper" within New Jersey or any other place from lower Manhattan given the materials used ?

From http://www.wtc.com/about/freedom-tower/1-world-trade-center-design

The crown of 1 World Trade Center is the 408-foot antenna, which will consist of a mast and a communication platform ring. The mast will be protected by a one-of-a-kind fiberglass panel system that will resist wind loading, and create a protected maintenance area. At the base of the mast, a tetrahedral lattice ring will support media transmission equipment and brace eight radio-frequency transparent Kevlar guy cables that support the mast. When lit at night, a beacon at the top will send out a horizontal light beam that can be seen from miles away.

Basically the mast would be steel covered with fiberglass, have a beacon that would be lit at night, and would be anchored to the roof with Kevlar cables.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

Has this been asked before? If not then I have to ask because it sounds interesting. What materials are being used for the antenna/spire? Considering how tall the One World Trade's Spire/antenna is, How "shiny" will the antenna get once the sun hits? Could the shine of the antenna be seen miles "deeper" within New Jersey or any other place from lower Manhattan given the materials used ?

Well by shiny, the glass is extremely bright at sunset from here in Morristown, NJ: 40 miles away. I posted a photo a little while back of it at sunset...however I can only see it from a high point here, such as the 9/11 memorial ironically. The spire will light a beacon that will be project a beam visible nearly 3,000 feet up and seen from 70 miles+..it will also flash the letter "N" for New York in morse code:):tup:

[Roadcruiser1]

Well by shiny, the glass is extremely bright at sunset from here in Morristown, NJ: 40 miles away. I posted a photo a little while back of it at sunset...however I can only see it from a high point here, such as the 9/11 memorial ironically. The spire will light a beacon that will be project a beam visible nearly 3,000 feet up and seen from 70 miles+..it will also flash the letter "N" for New York in morse code:):tup:

I expect the mast to be covered with this, but they would probably be a lot wider and bigger than the ones in the picture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/GFK_Bearbeitung.jpg/577px-GFK_Bearbeitung.jpg

[AerialView]

Well by shiny, the glass is extremely bright at sunset from here in Morristown, NJ: 40 miles away. I posted a photo a little while back of it at sunset...however I can only see it from a high point here, such as the 9/11 memorial ironically. The spire will light a beacon that will be project a beam visible nearly 3,000 feet up and seen from 70 miles+..it will also flash the letter "N" for New York in morse code:):tup:


Thanks ! :)

[chris123678]

So is the mast being constructed now or is it already done, and waiting to be placed on after the roof is constructed.

How Long after the topping out, will it take to place the mast on?

And how long

[jd3189]

So is the mast being constructed now or is it already done, and waiting to be placed on after the roof is constructed.

How Long after the topping out, will it take to place the mast on?

And how long

I don't know about th current state of the mast,but the PA says that it will take six months to construct it.

[Roadcruiser1]

So is the mast being constructed now or is it already done, and waiting to be placed on after the roof is constructed.

How Long after the topping out, will it take to place the mast on?

And how long

I don't even think the mast has been built yet. I think everyone should just wait and see instead of asking questions though. The building will be done when everyone sees it done.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

Thanks ! :)

no problem!

[599GTO]

I don't even think the mast has been built yet. I think everyone should just wait and see instead of asking questions though. The building will be done when everyone sees it done.

.....so whats the point of this thread? To stare at photos only? :rolleyes:

Well by shiny, the glass is extremely bright at sunset from here in Morristown, NJ: 40 miles away. I posted a photo a little while back of it at sunset...however I can only see it from a high point here, such as the 9/11 memorial ironically. The spire will light a beacon that will be project a beam visible nearly 3,000 feet up and seen from 70 miles+..it will also flash the letter "N" for New York in morse code:):tup:

I don't get it...so it will let out a vertical light and flash N at the same time???? Where would the N be? How does that work?

[Otie]

I don't even think the mast has been built yet. I think everyone should just wait and see instead of asking questions though. The building will be done when everyone sees it done.
I think right the opposite, the more you ask, the less ignorant you'll be. DCM has ordered to the steel shop to fabricate the mast steel more than 6 months ago.


First of all, let me clarify that once the tower reaches the roof, work will be devided in two separate projects: construction of the antenna with the erection of the roof and installing the mechanical systems.

Antenna
The antenna alone will weight about 400 tons and it will be assembled in 7 stacked sections that decrease in diameter the higher they go, there's an 8th section that will sit up above the rest that will form the beacon, the top of the 8th section will mark the 1776' elevation from Main Lobby.

These sections are all different between them, some of them will have as much as 20 sides while others will only have 4 sides, some will have a lattice steel structure while others will be made of steel plates with cut-out zones. The mast includes a variety of fabrication and construction methods so that transmission equipment can be inserted into it and can also give attachment points for antenna and satellite dishes.

The transition between sections will be achieved by using cast-steel connectors, this solves the problem of placing a structure above another one with different geometries.
The antenna will be anchored to the roof slab with 8 Kevlar guy wires, each of them being 8" thick. These cables will be made of aramid, a synthetic fiber that does not obstruct broadcast signal. (See picture below)
http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/aramid-fiber-reinforcement-for-rope-and-cable-99050.jpg
Cable of aramid fiber reinforcement

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Larger version (http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9313/a01up.jpg)

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Radome Enclosure
The radome enclosure was necessary not only for aesthetic purposes but will also solve practical issues with the antenna and the wind loads.
The enclosure will have attached stiffness due to the 2.5" thick panels made of fiberglass and foam (See picture below), this stiffness will help resist the wind load. Fiberglass and foam are radio-frequency “transparent” materials, and were selected in order to avoid problems with the broadcasting equipment.

http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-g/sandwich-panel-fiberglass-pvc-foam-189053.jpg
Fiberglass-and-foam sandwich panel

The enclosure will also help protect personel at the maintenance areas inside the spire (platforms) and its repeating modular system will allow easy replacement in case they need to replace any section.
The radome will be assembled in 20 foot sections, all of them consisting of octagonal modules.

For further wind support, large helices or stakes will wrap the radome and will direct wind away from the mast, mitigating vortex shading and reducing structural fatigue. This, along with the guy wires, will help reduce the range of deflection to as much as 0.5 degrees in a constant 50 mile-per-hour wind,an engineering achievement...

Crown, or Communication Platform Ring
The three-level circular lattice ring will house microwave dishes, ENG antennas and whip-type radio antennas that television companies will use.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9811/a06n.jpg

The Window Washing Track consists of 3 circular tracks located just below the lower platform ring and above the parapet line, it will allow three window-washing cranes to ride on it. These cranes will have telescoping arms, they will look similar to the Burj Khalifa's boom units (see image below).
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01_01/BurjCleanerAfpG_650x400.jpg


May 2012?
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[MadGnome]

Very nice Otie. But it would suprise me if the antenna configuration was like that when it's finished. It's kind of 90s, before fiber took over most of the microwave link business. Those round enclosures must be 10 feet tall. Room enough to house dozens of smaller elements each. That ring would be a great place for some of the fancy spot beam data services you see in other countries.
Never heard of "Electronic news gathering antennas".
I imagine a lot of the configuration will depend on if they get the broadcasters back.

Any idea if they're building it from the top down and jacking it up?

[CarlosV]

Glass continues to rise....on another very cold day in NY...16 degrees when i got up this AM to go to work!!! brrrrrrrr


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[uaarkson]

Working on MLK? These guys are committed.

[meh_cd]

Very nice Otie. But it would suprise me if the antenna configuration was like that when it's finished. It's kind of 90s, before fiber took over most of the microwave link business. Those round enclosures must be 10 feet tall. Room enough to house dozens of smaller elements each. That ring would be a great place for some of the fancy spot beam data services you see in other countries.
Never heard of "Electronic news gathering antennas".
I imagine a lot of the configuration will depend on if they get the broadcasters back.

Any idea if they're building it from the top down and jacking it up?

I think that is just the "ideal" configuration. It'll probably never look that pretty, if it even looks like that at all in the coming decades.

Fantastic post, Otie. I had another question you might be able to answer. Since they have apparently removed the restaurant service elevator (is this confirmed?), does that also mean that it would prevent them from placing a bar up top? If we can't get Windows on the World back right away, perhaps we can at least get The Greatest Bar on Earth back? Seems to me like a bar serving only drinks and some small appetizers would require far less equipment.

[Otie]

^The PA decided to scrap the restaurant idea a while ago, but it was until November we got official information about using the empty space as an extra level for the Observation. (See post 17414 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5465611&postcount=17414))..
The restaurant service elevator used to be in the empty red square, the shuttle elevator still remains at its original position, and it will provide service to the disabled people. Though I still can't figure it out how will people access to the levels below or above them, the floorplans I have show some stairs at the yellow rectangle, but seing this more recent plan makes me wonder if we're going to be able to access to only one floor, being the lower floors (100 and 101) a bit cheaper than the 102nd.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6444/20111103tower2custom12.jpg
Hope this helps :tup:

Fantastic update, Carlos!

[CarlosV]

Are you crazy? I love your renderings how do you do that? you must work for the PA! :P

[Otie]

^Research, my friend, it takes hell alot of time, and can get frustrating if you don't organize all the info. I wish I could get a chance to get involved in the rebuilding...

Very nice Otie. But it would suprise me if the antenna configuration was like that when it's finished. It's kind of 90s, before fiber took over most of the microwave link business. Those round enclosures must be 10 feet tall. Room enough to house dozens of smaller elements each. That ring would be a great place for some of the fancy spot beam data services you see in other countries.
Never heard of "Electronic news gathering antennas".
I imagine a lot of the configuration will depend on if they get the broadcasters back.

Any idea if they're building it from the top down and jacking it up?

The mast structure is accurate, and if the PA gets into contract again with broadcasting companies (MTVA's the closest), it will get filled with antennas all the way up, looking more like a jungle, thank God it will be hidden. :D

The enclosure will be as wide as 30 feet in diameter and the sections are 20' tall, excluding the lower ones, which are a bit taller.
Never heard of the ENG antennas either, but they do apppear to exist... The only photo I could find over the internet:
http://www.mt2w.com/Photos/Broadcast/ENG_Install/3_std.jpg

Based on the photo above:
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9934/engshit.jpg

[Domamania]

Does anyone one know if the mast aka the spire is being construcuted? and if so, where is is being made right now? Thank you so much...

[Otie]

The steel was ordered to be fabricated at South Plainfield, New Jersey by MRP LLC (http://www.dcmerectors.com/MRP/home.html). Everything will come in parts and be assembled at the top (please read).

[hunser]

Thanks Otie for sharing, it was pretty informative. :tup:

[gramsjdg]

I am pretty sure that if for some reason there is not a need for that many microwave radomes they will still install the empty housings to make it look uniform...:rolleyes:

[jd3189]

Now I know why that outdoors obs deck would have never worked. Too much equipment up there. But if a taller building is built somewhere else in Manhattan that can possess an broadcasting antenna,there still might be hope for it.;)

[NewYorkSkyline117]

.....so whats the point of this thread? To stare at photos only? :rolleyes:



I don't get it...so it will let out a vertical light and flash N at the same time???? Where would the N be? How does that work?

When I say flash the letter N, it doesn't mean you'll see a giant letter N flashing zin the sky.. It's morse code which is in flashes so like N would be a few quick flashes then 2 slower ones... That could be with a red, green, blue or any color at the tip and then above a huge white beam would project vertically into the night sky.

[06hdfxdwg]

When I say flash the letter N, it doesn't mean you'll see a giant letter N flashing zin the sky.. It's morse code which is in flashes so like N would be a few quick flashes then 2 slower ones... That could be with a red, green, blue or any color at the tip and then above a huge white beam would project vertically into the night sky.

Actually "N" is just one long flash and then a quick one......or Dash,dot (-.)

"Y' would be -.-- or dash,dot,dash,dash

"C" would be -.-. or dash,dot,dash,dot.

THEREFORE: -.-.---.-. = NYC spelled out in morse code.

[Tadd]

It's morse code which is in flashes so like N would be a few quick flashes then 2 slower ones... T


N is _. or long followed by short
D is _.. or long followed by two shorts

The dash/long is 3 times longer than the dit/short. The spacing between the dash and the dit is the same length as the dit/short.

What you're going to see, I guess, is a flashing light that lights up for about 5 seconds, then off for 1.5 second, then on for 1.5 second, then off for 5seconds, then repeat.

[Tadd]

Actually "N" is just one long flash and then a quick one......or Dash,dot (-.)

Yeah. Like he said!

[CarlosV]

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[NewYorkSkyline117]

N is _. or long followed by short
D is _.. or long followed by two shorts

The dash/long is 3 times longer than the dit/short. The spacing between the dash and the dit is the same length as the dit/short.

What you're going to see, I guess, is a flashing light that lights up for about 5 seconds, then off for 1.5 second, then on for 1.5 second, then off for 5seconds, then repeat.

Okays guys I just took a wild guess at what N in morse code was!

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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[antoine-c]

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Stunning photo!
It's a pity that it is a little bit out of focus, though. Just kidding :P

[Otie]

Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com)'s blog (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/).

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[CarlosV]

^^^

Amazing. :tup: . It gives it that human touch!

[RockMont]

These guys are true American heroes. Putting themselves at risk to put skyscrapers, back where they belong, in order to stand up in the face of terror in the eyes of this world.

[CarlosV]

:happysad: 4 WTC on schedule.....and 1 WTC glass up another floor!!!


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[meh_cd]

^The PA decided to scrap the restaurant idea a while ago, but it was until November we got official information about using the empty space as an extra level for the Observation. (See post 17414 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5465611&postcount=17414))..
The restaurant service elevator used to be in the empty red square, the shuttle elevator still remains at its original position, and it will provide service to the disabled people. Though I still can't figure it out how will people access to the levels below or above them, the floorplans I have show some stairs at the yellow rectangle, but seing this more recent plan makes me wonder if we're going to be able to access to only one floor, being the lower floors (100 and 101) a bit cheaper than the 102nd.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6444/20111103tower2custom12.jpg
Hope this helps :tup:

Fantastic update, Carlos!

Thanks. It kind of does. I know we have three levels up top. 100, 101, and 102. It used to be 2 for the restaurant and 1 for observation, correct? Then it was changed to 2 for observation and 1 for the restaurant, right? Then it was 2 for observation, and 1 for event space. Am I on the right track here? And now they have changed it to 3 observation deck floors? That is complete overkill.

The problem is, even if they are ever going to use the old restaurant floor for event space, how are they going to manage to do so without the service elevator? Part of me hopes that the diagram was a mistake and they will put it in anyway. At the very least I want a bar up there so I can have a few stiff drinks and forget everything but the lights outside.

And you bring up another good question with regards to accessibility between observation levels. I imagine they may just put in staircases between the two floors like some tenants did in the original WTC. The thing is, that will take up quite a large amount of space by itself. This whole thing just seems like they didn't think it through.

Here is the same or a similar floor from Zen's plans, which my guess is you already have. I don't see a service elevator on here either.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/Obdeck.jpg

[Otie]

Correct to the flipping part, there was never an official confirmation of using the 102nd as an event space, but sure it was for an extra observation level.

Zen's 102nd floorplan shows only the main structural elements, hiding the HVAC and MEP shafts that we can barely see on the floorplan released by the New York Times (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/readying-a-destination-at-new-yorks-new-summit/). I made a mistake, there will be convenience stairs, located at the yellow rectangle I draw, but only will interconnect 100th and 101st. These floors will be separated from the 102nd.

[NYguy]

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[FMIII]

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Beautiful picture Carlos! :)

Thanks also a lot Otie for all your contributions. Your pictures showed us at which point it is a complicated process to erect such a building.

1WTC does look great. Can't wait to see how it will look when it's topped out.

[NYguy]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/conde_nast_taking_more_space_at_jlfiRAl0uQLnAXCe2EXO1H

Conde Nast taking more space at One World Trade Center

By STEVE CUOZZO
January 17, 2012

Conde Nast is expanding at One World Trade Center even before the iconic tower is finished. The Newhouse family's glam-magazine house plans to take 133,000 square feet more on top of the 1.05 million feet it signed for last year, sources told The Post.

The publisher of Vanity Fair and Vogue, among other titles, is expected to soon finalize a deal for floors 42-44 in the 104-story skyscraper. The original commitment for lower floors has been hailed as one of the most momentous leases ever signed in New York, heralding the birth of a new World Trade Center and symbolizing downtown's post-9/11 rebirth.

"Conde Nast had an option to expand and they told the Port Authority and the Durst Organization they were going ahead with it", a source said. The PA and Durst are partners in 1 WTC, which is is scheduled to open for tenants in mid-late 2014.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

So does any have at least an idea of when vertical steel is possible? i heard about the rumor with the cranes and all but is that affecting steel?

[Roadcruiser1]

So does any have at least an idea of when vertical steel is possible? I heard about the rumor with the cranes and all but is that affecting steel?

No we don't and I highly doubt the steel work is being affected since the cranes are moving and people are still working on the building's floors and decking.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

No we don't and I highly doubt the steel work is being affected since the cranes are moving and people are still working on the building's floors and decking.

Alright that's good to know. At least they've used this time to work on the glass and looks like even 4 wtc

[jd3189]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/conde_nast_taking_more_space_at_jlfiRAl0uQLnAXCe2EXO1H

Conde Nast taking more space at One World Trade Center

By STEVE CUOZZO
January 17, 2012

This demand of tenant space needs to spread to the other towers so we can see them start going up this year. But at least this should be enough to get 1 WTC finished.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

I took this yesterday from Greystone Park in Morristown, NJ. Nearly 40 miles away and the tower is still quite visible over the hills in the distance. I keep finding new places where NY can be seen and im sure theres alot more to be discovered.......:)

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[M II A II R II K]

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[NewYorkDominates]

Great picture,but is it me or does the tower look wider in these given angle.

[Tru Bert]

:Hi everyone I'm new to the site. And I already have information to contribute, Everyone right now is talking about the delay on One Wtc. Well I have a good idea of why its been going on, this time last year the tower was also going thourgh a delay during the winter months, which can show that weather could be the source of this years delay as well. Anyway feel free to have your inputs on my speculation on my first small opinion.

[Roadcruiser1]

:Hi everyone I'm new to the site. And I already have information to contribute, Everyone right now is talking about the delay on One Wtc. Well I have a good idea of why its been going on, this time last year the tower was also going thourgh a delay during the winter months, which can show that weather could be the source of this years delay as well. Anyway feel free to have your inputs on my speculation on my first small opinion.

Weather isn't the problem this year. This winter has been mild and dry. No wind conditions either. It might be a problem with the steel shipments which comes in from New Jersey again. It doesn't mean that DCM went bankrupt it means that manufacturing those steel beams for the mechanical floors might be a bit more difficult than we think since again each floor uses a different floor plate then the floor below. Each floor plate and steel has to be custom made for One World Trade Center. It isn't the same over and over again like in the original World Trade Center Twin Towers.

[NYC GUY]

:Hi everyone I'm new to the site. And I already have information to contribute, Everyone right now is talking about the delay on One Wtc. Well I have a good idea of why its been going on, this time last year the tower was also going thourgh a delay during the winter months, which can show that weather could be the source of this years delay as well. Anyway feel free to have your inputs on my speculation on my first small opinion.

I don't think it has to do with the weather cause its been unusually warm here in New York.

[Roadcruiser1]

I don't think it has to do with the weather cause its been unusually warm here in New York.

You know I have a better idea. If anyone here works near the World Trade Center right now I need them to look out the window of their office every now and then to see if there are any trucks coming in from the Holland Tunnel on the West Side Highway with steel beams on them headed for One World Trade Center. If we know that steel is arriving then it is certain that this steel will rise along with One World Trade Center. Ignore the trucks headed for the other World Trade Center buildings though. Just for One World Trade Center.

[CarlosV]

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[Otie]

You know I have even a better idea, research. http://www.coloradoprospector.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/research.gif

Steel Firm's Woes Snag WTC (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204555904577167323343069432.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

Wall Street Journal | JANUARY 18, 2012 | By ELIOT BROWN


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Some of DCM's problems appear to have stemmed from costs for the transportation hub, pictured.

Long beset by delays and cost overruns, construction at the World Trade Center site faces another potential snag: the financial struggles of the company responsible for erecting the massive steel skeletons of two towers and a $3.4 billion transportation hub.


Some of DCM's problems appear to have stemmed from costs for the transportation hub, pictured.

For months, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has been quietly advancing money to the contractor responsible for fabricating and putting up steel for the projects, which include One World Trade Center, according to people familiar with the matter.

The company, DCM Erectors, has more than $700 million worth of steel contracts at the site. The firm has told the Port Authority that it is facing cash-flow problems in part because of the project's complexity, and also because of the amount of time it takes for the agency to approve extra costs.

Fearing holdups, the Port Authority also has been paying some of DCM's subcontractors directly, the people said.

The company's role is crucial: Its workers erect the steel for each floor of the towers at a rate of about one floor a week before other crews can follow. DCM also owns a plant in New Jersey where steel is fabricated.

A spokesman for the Port Authority, Steve Coleman, declined to say how much money the public bi-state agency has advanced DCM.

"The Port Authority has and will continue to work closely with DCM in order to maintain its construction effort," he said in a statement, adding that DCM is still delivering steel.

Larry Davis, DCM's president, said he is working with the Port Authority and doesn't expect construction to stop. "I'm sure we're all going to work out the issues down the road," he said.

The New York-based DCM is one of the city's largest steel companies and has worked on many skyline-shifting projects, including the Time Warner Center and Bloomberg LP's Lexington Avenue headquarters.

It has been involved in the World Trade Center site for years.

The company was a contractor involved with the demolition of the site after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. And it was on hand at the early stages of rebuilding, as it won a contract to put up steel for the site's signature tower, One World Trade Center, in 2006.

In addition to holding the steel contract at One World Trade Center, DCM is putting up steel for 4 World Trade Center, a 72-story tower. And in 2009, Phoenix Constructors, the now-defunct construction management company for the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH station and transportation hub, awarded DCM its biggest contract, a $339 million job for the station.

The company's troubles speak to some of the larger problems with the site's redevelopment, which is running billions of dollars over original budget projections. The transportation hub alone has a price tag of $3.4 billion, up from an expected $2 billion in 2007.

DCM's woes stem largely from the station, which features giant steel arches that soar over a large train hall, and the 1,776-foot-tall One World Trade Center. Officials aren't as concerned about 4 World Trade Center.

In part, DCM appears to have underestimated costs: For instance, the company has told the Port Authority it believes it may lose money on One World Trade Center, people familiar with the matter said.

Another factor is that it can take months for DCM to negotiate additional costs with the Port Authority. DCM has numerous claims for added payment—known as "change orders"—pending with the Port Authority, the people said.

Amid the cash-flow problems, DCM's main lender, Canada-based Maple Trade Finance, has taken control of some of the company's assets, said Carole-Ann Miller, Maple Trade's president. Ms. Miller declined to specify the assets but said the company is working "closely" with DCM: "We are confident that we are going to have a resolution in the short term."

John Gallagher, a spokesman for Tishman Construction, the general contractor overseeing construction of the towers and hub, said DCM hasn't caused any delays and the contractor is working overtime on its projects.

[CarlosV]

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[Big Rooster]

^^^Carlos, awesome pictures as usual. Thanks so much.

Being my pedantic self, just wanted to point out that you've spelt "anywhere" wrong in your disclaimer on your photos! :-)

[06hdfxdwg]

Can't seem to find out who the mods are for the forum. If anyone knows please let me know or if one happens to read this,shoot me a PM,if you would.

[nydavid]

I took these on monday afternoon heading north on i95

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Its gaining on the ESB ;)

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[NewYorkSkyline117]

I just went through from page one and skipped every few pages and it's just amazing to see how far we've come..i saw so many of you guys nearly 4-5 years ago all upset about when the first steel beams would rise for the lobby..and now we wait for the beams over floor 91

[Modulair]

has the tower reached 360 meters high ?
And when will it FINALLY reach its full height ?
one year ago, it was said on wikipedia that the tower would be topped out by the end of 2011 !!

[NewYorkSkyline117]

has the tower reached 360 meters high ?
And when will it FINALLY reach its full height ?
one year ago, it was said on wikipedia that the tower would be topped out by the end of 2011 !!

One: It's about 41 feet from 360 meters but why that height? It still has a little less than 200ft after that..
Two: Don't trust wikipedia, anyone can write that, and that probably wasn't updated since 2006 :tup:

[NYC GUY]

Soo I guess its not going to be topped out til may?

[uaarkson]

Soo I guess its not going to be topped out til may?

Please come back when predicting the future is possible, i.e. never.

[Roadcruiser1]

Has the tower reached 360 meters high?
And when will it FINALLY reach its full height?
One year ago, it was said on Wikipedia that the tower would be topped out by the end of 2011!!

To be completed by April 2013. One year after topping off.

Soo I guess its not going to be topped out til may?

April 2012.

[SupertallSkyline88]

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/conde-nast-expands-at-1-world-trade-center_b51000

[Roadcruiser1]

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/conde-nast-expands-at-1-world-trade-center_b51000

NYGuy told us that several pages back.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

Soo I guess its not going to be topped out til may?

Let's hope not..hopefully as soon as the steel goes up, it will go up rapidly after that..plus the spire was supposed to begin installation in April-May..:cool:

[Roadcruiser1]

One: It's about 41 feet from 360 meters but why that height? It still has a little less than 200ft after that..
Two: Don't trust Wikipedia, anyone can write that, and that probably wasn't updated since 2006 :tup:

He's asking that question because 360 meters is the height of the Empire State Building or 1,250 feet. Once it passes that it is the tallest building in NYC.

[SupertallSkyline88]

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[SupertallSkyline88]

NYGuy told us that several pages back.
I was gone for a month from December 16,2011 to January 15,2012.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

He's asking that question because 360 meters is the height of the Empire State Building or 1,250 feet. Once it passes that it is the tallest building in NYC.

360 meters is only 1,181 feet? I think he meant 381 meters

[Roadcruiser1]

360 meters is only 1,181 feet? I think he meant 381 meters

Probably. Or he could be talking about Three World Trade Center.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

Probably. Or he could be talking about Three World Trade Center.

Yeah true

[CarlosV]

Hey,I'm new to the site and I'm glad I joined.These is my first forum for that matter and hope to give helpful information just as I've recieved reading the many people in these site(Special Thanks to Carlos and Otie)

:hi:

^^^Carlos, awesome pictures as usual. Thanks so much.

Being my pedantic self, just wanted to point out that you've spelt "anywhere" wrong in your disclaimer on your photos! :-)

ha ha the Y and U are close to eachother, plus i fired my secretary!! LOL




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[NYguy]

^ Use the PMs folks.


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[chris123678]

Is there some type of reason why they build the core first, for example tower 3, in comparison to tower 1, where core steel comes with the perimeter columns

[sbarn]

oh lord....

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Amazing!! As much fun as it is to see it being built, I can't wait to see this thing in its full glory.

Sidenote: it does like some steel work is being done up there, but the pace has definitely slowed WAAAY down.

[summersm343]

I wonder if the number of pages in this thread can get to the the height of the tower (1,787) lol. Jesus that is a lot of pages :runaway:

[AerialView]

Steel Firm's Woes Snag WTC
By ELIOT BROWN
The Wall Street Journal
January 18th 2012

Long beset by delays and cost overruns, construction at the World Trade Center site faces another potential snag: the financial struggles of the company responsible for erecting the massive steel skeletons of two towers and a $3.4 billion transportation hub.


A spokesman for the Port Authority, Steve Coleman, declined to say how much money the public bi-state agency has advanced DCM.

"The Port Authority has and will continue to work closely with DCM in order to maintain its construction effort," he said in a statement, adding that DCM is still delivering steel.

John Gallagher, a spokesman for Tishman Construction, the general contractor overseeing construction of the towers and hub, said DCM hasn't caused any delays and the contractor is working overtime on its projects.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204555904577167323343069432.html?mod=dist_smartbrief#articleTabs%3Darticle

I hope it's all OK using quotes to highlight key elements from the article . Seriously. What do all of you think ?

[Roadcruiser1]

Is there some type of reason why they build the core first, for example tower 3, in comparison to tower 1, where core steel comes with the perimeter columns

Tower 1 was built the same way. The core rises first because it can support the floors below and they both would rise into the sky.

[jd3189]

Steel Firm's Woes Snag WTC
By ELIOT BROWN
The Wall Street Journal
January 18th 2012







http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204555904577167323343069432.html?mod=dist_smartbrief#articleTabs%3Darticle

I hope it's all OK using quotes to highlight key elements from the article . Seriously. What do all of you think ?

At least they aren't going out of business. There aren't that much mechanical floors either so if they get back on track,I'm seeing at least a floor every 2-3 weeks.

[Davidsam52]

I just hope we see some new steel erection soon!!!

[NYguy]

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[crewex]

Having the Tallest BUILDING?! it's ALL about the competition, I'm infuriated that the richest and most productive country in the world wouldn't have the tallest. No matter if it's economical or not! I WANT THE TALLEST BUILDING IN THE U.S. And it should be in NEWYORK where it belongs