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[JSsocal]

The thing you have to remember too is that new buildings are physically bigger then they were 70 years ago. Ceilings are higher, lobbies are taller, floorplates are bigger. Buildings today are just plain different then say the Empire State Building.

[NYguy]

Sometimes I wonder if there could have been or will be some design changes that we won't know about untill they are built.

The physical appearance of the top of the building hasn't been revealed, though we have some idea thanks to ZenSteelduds's drawings. It's not clear if and when the Port Authority will release those details along with finalized spire plans.

[xnyr]

I don't think that will happen until early next year, at around the same time it will top Chase Manhattan Bank, leaving only a handful of skyscrapers Downtown to be conquered on its quest to skyline's tallest.

Reminds me of a wonderful book about the race for title of Downtown's tallest back in the '20s -'30s. Great book if you like to time travel. Everything old is new again.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhrJqftr2dIQL-79XsA0nRfoDkKNBWIE996KXphFLPNLjBtoM&t=1&usg=__UDVeO6_WnP_4vGwNTuCzzPhK8wk=

Skyscraper Rivals by Daniel Abramson (2001)

"The book focuses on the AIG Building-once known as the Cities Service Building-and three other major towers in the financial district, in their race to be the tallest, the most modern, and the most lavish. We meet the tycoons who paid for these structures, the architects who designed them, the workers who labored in them, and the artists and photographers who portrayed them."
ccebooks.net
Amazon.com

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Not really news...and NOT an invitation for a city vs. city or spire vs. roof argument.


http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2010/10/13/tallest-building-title-may-return-to-new-york/
Tallest Building Title May Return to New York

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-KL054_Willis_DV_20101013103929.jpg
The Willis Tower: Tallest in America, for now...

Maura Webber Sadovi reports:
October 13, 2010


Lovely, I can't wait to see NYC at the top in the Americas again!

[Bucktown718]

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[Zensteeldude]

:previous: Nice shot, looks to be about even with the B/V Building.


The physical appearance of the top of the building hasn't been revealed, though we have some idea thanks to ZenSteelduds's drawings. It's not clear if and when the Port Authority will release those details along with finalized spire plans.

I've been checking the PA website about once a week for any change orders involving the spire. It should be the only change to the top of the tower, but it well still look the same as it does in the latest renderings. Any change would be structural.

[rjb001]

i dont really think Chicago cares anymore if we have the tallest anymore lol

Not true in my book, I mean look at my signature!:haha:
But in all honesty, I think NYC deserves to get the title back right now because of everything that's happened in the past nine years.

[Boisebro]

... a three-story building in Idaho...

three stories?!? that would be SWEET!!!

:naughty:

[Don098]

Look at the Sears...I mean, Willis Tower. That's what most 2,000 foot towers will probably look like in the future, a future half or more empty. These kind of towers are huge and become outdated quickly. Furthermore your right, the space just isn't needed. We can look at our own cities and see the office vacancies already, imagine trying to get rid of a 2,000 foot tower. 1WTC will be successful being in the financial capital of the world, just as the Twins were before. But beyond that who really knows.

These are all good points, but I think they're only relevant in the short term. The current recession is going to take at least half a decade to even get back to pre-recession levels is term of employment which certainly affects vacancy rates. But beyond that, here are the long term trends:

-More than half of the entire world's population now lives in urban areas, and that trend is accelerating, not declining, especially in places like China, India and Africa.
-Global population is expected to reach 9 billion by 2050 in an information economy which equals office jobs
-As the human population grows, its use of land will require more space for cultivating crops and livestock which will infringe upon the exurbs and other areas, forcing more people in urban areas.

So, the five to ten year picture may be in a lull for supertalls, but we'll be seeing way more tall buildings as cities contract from the pressures of increased agriculture land use and urbanization in an information economy that use offices.

[sw5710]

the core scaffolding is now installed for floor 43,44. Can anyone tell if steel beams have gone up on 43,44 core yet?

[Zensteeldude]

The corn is higher !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<Zen> Ducks.

[Zensteeldude]

the core scaffolding is now installed for floor 43,44. Can anyone tell if steel beams have gone up on 43,44 core yet?

It's not so much installed as it is jacked up to the new level. Without actually checking, I would say it is or well be in a day or two.

[Draegen]

They should turn the white unicorn spire into glass and light it up different colors!

[Zensteeldude]

:previous: How do you know that that is not the plan ????!!!!!

[CoolCzech]

These are all good points, but I think they're only relevant in the short term. The current recession is going to take at least half a decade to even get back to pre-recession levels is term of employment which certainly affects vacancy rates. But beyond that, here are the long term trends:

-More than half of the entire world's population now lives in urban areas, and that trend is accelerating, not declining, especially in places like China, India and Africa.
-Global population is expected to reach 9 billion by 2050 in an information economy which equals office jobs
-As the human population grows, its use of land will require more space for cultivating crops and livestock which will infringe upon the exurbs and other areas, forcing more people in urban areas.

So, the five to ten year picture may be in a lull for supertalls, but we'll be seeing way more tall buildings as cities contract from the pressures of increased agriculture land use and urbanization in an information economy that use offices.

Regarding population growth, remember that demographic trends can turn on a dime. Who knew even 30 years ago that Europe would be looking at quite probable continent-wide depopulation, with a birthrate chronically below replacement level? America's population is growing only due to immigration. Japan and South Korea have stopped growing, and possibly face decline. The simple fact is, developed countries struggle to maintain healthy population growth. It's the poor ones that grow fast - and those aren't the ones that usually build 2,000 foot towers.

[sw5710]

I knew they jacked up the cranes. I didn't know they jacked up the scaffolding at the core. Thanks for the info.

[sterlippo1]

I'm sure everyone on this forum knows this, but the Empire State Building was known as the "Empty State Building" throughout the 1930's because it was built at the beginning of the Great Depression and remained largely empty after it was built. The same fate may or may not be true for so many supertalls being built throughout the world today. Be it bragging rights or supply filling demand... whatever. I appreciate great architecture at whatever size the building is. If it's a three-story building in Idaho or a 125 story building in Dubai, as long as the architecture is nice and the building makes sense in its location, I'm all for it.

One World Trade Center is being built (as is the entire WTC complex) in a location where demand will make sure the buildings are filled. As many of you will agree, I can't wait to see it fill the void left by the loss of the original World Trade Center (and the lives of all those who were lost that day).

Now back to the subject of the building itself...

BRAVO!!!!!! fantastic post:tup:

[sw5710]

So what is more important. Height or meaning. This tower complex has both!. More then any other project built today.

[NYguy]

Please keep the topic on the Freedom Tower. If you wanna discuss population trends, do so in a thread elsewhere. Thanks in advance.


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[sw5710]

Was that picture taken early this week?

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Please keep the topic on the Freedom Tower. If you wanna discuss population trends, do so in a thread elsewhere. Thanks in advance.


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powerful photo..not to mention it captures every aspect of the new skyline...thanks for posting :)

[Don098]

Please keep the topic on the Freedom Tower. If you wanna discuss population trends, do so in a thread elsewhere. Thanks in advance.


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Boy, WTC7's glass looks awful in this pic...fingers crossed WTC1's won't look like that without any light to create the mirrored look...kind of concerned about that

[NYguy]

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[meh_cd]

:previous: How do you know that that is not the plan ????!!!!!

Oh man that'd be sweet.

[Innsertnamehere]

5 days untill cladding!!!!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

5 days untill cladding!!!!

time to see it shine :worship:

[brian.odonnell20]

the curtain wall installation will begin on my birthday :haha:

[Plokoon11]

So did they add new steel or is that picture above these posts earlier?

[Domamania]

5 days untill cladding!!!!

well they said to me around the 20th, so dont be disapointed if it not on that day or a couple of days off. but when it done come on it will look good on tower 1v2.

[sw5710]

So did they add new steel or is that picture above these posts earlier?

Old picture. those floors are done now.

[NYguy]

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[slayerhk47]

I hope I don't have any plans for the 20th because I'll be here all day:haha: (like that's any different...)

I can imagine once the curtain starts going up there will be about 200 posts a minute here.

[FastFerrari82]

Really cladding on the way?? Sooooo excited!!!:cheers:

[The North One]

OH MY GOSH! its a christmas miracle! the facade is finally happening!

*scweels like little girl*

[JSsocal]

Are they going to start cladding above the twentieth floor with the normal office floors? They've been talking about pieces shipped from Portland, but the base glass will be manufactured in China, and I haven't seen any news on those yet.

[westmc9th]

4 New Webcams!
ok guys this is amazing 4 new webcams or daily pics of the tower are on the discovery channel
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-04.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-02.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-03.html

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11162&d=1287234516

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11163&d=1287234533

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11164&d=1287234555

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11165&d=1287234631

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Live shot, taken a few minutes ago...

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

[NYguy]

4 New Webcams!
ok guys this is amazing 4 new webcams or daily pics of the tower are on the discovery channel
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-04.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-02.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/ground-zero-pictures-03.html


I guess they figured we don't see enough of the Freedom Tower rising...;) But we need to see all angles. I'll add the links.


Are they going to start cladding above the twentieth floor with the normal office floors? They've been talking about pieces shipped from Portland, but the base glass will be manufactured in China, and I haven't seen any news on those yet.

No, we haven't seen that yet, and I've been waiting to see it. It won't be the usual glass we are used to seeing on skyscrapers.

[xnyr]

Are they going to start cladding above the twentieth floor with the normal office floors? They've been talking about pieces shipped from Portland, but the base glass will be manufactured in China, and I haven't seen any news on those yet.


According to the linked article, the glass is being fabricated by Viracon (http://www.azobuild.com/news.asp?newsID=3565) in Minnesota - not China.

BTW, Here's a local news piece showing Benson Industries fabricating the cladding.... I believe it aired 10/2/10...


mfos0quCzfI
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Benson also clad the NYT Tower.

[Mark P]

its really going fast now, everytime i see it , its a couple floors taller.

[CHAPINM1]

According to the linked article, the glass is being fabricated by Viracon (http://www.azobuild.com/news.asp?newsID=3565) in Minnesota - not China.

BTW, Here's a local news piece showing Benson Industries fabricating the cladding.... I believe it aired 10/2/10...


mfos0quCzfI
KOINlocal6.com

Benson also clad the NYT Tower.

I can't help but be a little gloatful, I spent 20 years of my life growing up in Minnesota just 30 miles southeast of Owatonna, MN and have a little pride due to the fact that Minnesota is doing it's part to be part of something this amazing!!! I was just back there and drove by the headquarters and each time can't help but get all excited like a school girl, hehehe...

[xnyr]

I can't help but be a little gloatful, I spent 20 years of my life growing up just 30 miles southeast of Owatonna, MN and have a little pride!!! I was just back there and know exactly where the Viracon facilities are located! :yes:

You should be proud!

I moved to Portland in 1989 and though I miss NYC (my home), I'm proud that the people of Portland (my new home) are playing a part in creating a building that will belong to the World!

[NYguy]

According to the linked article, the glass is being fabricated by Viracon (http://www.azobuild.com/news.asp?newsID=3565) in Minnesota - not China.


The glass for the BASE will come from China. That was the glass in question, and we haven't seen it yet.

http://www.owatonna.com/news.php?viewStory=105968

Viracon remains the glass supplier for floors 20 through 108 of the Freedom Tower, the old moniker for the shimmering memorial building the Port of Authority of New York and New Jersey is constructing to commemorate the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001.

Chinese glass will go into the lower levels, however. Viracon was not a contender for the bottom 20 floors, which requires a strength-enhanced, blast-resistant type of glass, said Rick Voelker, Viracon’s vice president of technical services.

“That’s not your typical window glass for a commercial building,” Voelker said. “That’s not really Viracon’s core competency. Our core competency is providing the energy efficient insulated glass that’s going into the remainder of the building.”

The Port Authority awarded a contract for the first 20 floors to a Canadian company called DCM Erectors.

According to a March article in U.S. Glass News, Port Authority Spokesman Steve Coleman said DCM then subcontracted with an American firm, Zetian, to acquire the glass from a Chinese manufacturer.

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[2-TOWERS]

those first two shots will be the new post card pictures

[hunser]

bright - brighter - goldman sachs!

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

I can't belive that this will top 7 WTC by the end of December....

[Zensteeldude]

The base cladding is to be manufactured and installed by a joint venture of Solera/DCM. Solera does the glass part and DCM's fabrication division (MRP LLC) does the metal part. Then DCM puts it all up.

The cladding is rather interesting in the fact that it's not a glass wall. It's a wall of grating, either stainless steel or aluminum depending on who you ask, with prismatic glass panels bolted to it. There are to be 1 foot wide spaces between the glass panels vertically, so the building can breath. (All the ventilation exhausts out the base mechanical floors. The intakes are near the top of the tower.)

http://www.dcmerectors.com/

The glass for the base is coming from a Chinese supplier, the manufacturing of the panels is being done in the US.

Visual Aids. This is of the corner where the wall is slanted out, but the vertical walls are the same detail.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5089965283_180bd8d761_b.jpg
The wall is not straight because I couldn't hold the print flat for the pic, I managed to break my left thumb about a week ago. (Word to the wise, I don't care how much experience you have, don't try to fix a garage door opener by yourself !)

[xnyr]

[QUOTE=NYguy;5019049]The glass for the BASE will come from China. That was the glass in question, and we haven't seen it yet.

I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out.

[patriotizzy]

I can't belive that this will top 7 WTC by the end of December....

Is it seriously? It looks like it's got a long ways to go. I'll start to question it until midway through November I suppose.

[brian.odonnell20]

That would be one flabbergastingly appalling sight if the new towers looked like the Goldman Sachs at night, with every room lit like that.

[Zensteeldude]

I'm pretty sure they are still doing finish fit out in the G/S Tower, thus all the lights are on.

Now that DCM and the concrete contractor have worked things out I do believe in a floor a week.

I Believe. (Insert X-files theme song here.)

In case anyone missed my last post on the subject, if God were the PA, DCM would be Christ.

[uaarkson]

Depending on your beliefs, God is the last thing I would compare the PA to. :)

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[Zensteeldude]

Depending on your beliefs, God is the last thing I would compare the PA to. :)

On this jobsite, the PA is God.

[colemonkee]

Wow, is that Deutche Bank Tower in the foreground of that second pic?

[GioFX]

^ yes it is, I believe about 5 floors to go.

[Don098]

^ yes it is, I believe about 5 floors to go.

That thing can't come down fast enough. I wonder when WTC5 renderings will be created, and if they're planning on using the old foundation or not.

[NYguy]

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[sterlippo1]

That thing can't come down fast enough. I wonder when WTC5 renderings will be created, and if they're planning on using the old foundation or not.

was just going to ask what will be put there when it is gone but that answers the question WTC5:tup:

[NYguy]

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[OneWorldTradeCenter]

:previous: Loevly shots! 42 stories after my count...

[mrnyc]

yesterday was the first day i realized you could actually start to see the new 1wtc from my place, so i walked down there in the late afternoon and took a walk around the site with my iphone:

from the hudson riverside park below w14th st
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/73d9e553.jpg

from tribeca
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/9de4ce79.jpg

you can run the table of downtown scrapers in this view at bpc
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/1ee6eb36.jpg

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/87602264.jpg

its almost as tall as its neighbor now -- and the cranes are even taller
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/de7878d7.jpg

this is the westside of the tower
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/d3b9689b.jpg

this is the ne corner
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/b503bf44.jpg

eastside
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/6ecadd49.jpg

more eastside
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/b527f710.jpg

just north of the wtc site, next to wtc7, is bmcc's fiterman hall rebuild
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/ebcab7e7.jpg

a peek thru the fencing looking south across the wtc site at maki's wtc4
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/e02b9bf3.jpg

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/bd2da73e.jpg

wtc4 going up in the se corner of the wtc site -- across from C21
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/732f6687.jpg

se corner
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southside view of 1wtc and wtc4
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looking just south of the wtc site -- whats left of the old deutsche bank tower
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10 floors maybe?
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southside of the deutsche bank building -- odd to see sunlight here above it :(
http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/meesalikeu5/album%20two/d9046614.jpg

great alley view that caught my eye :cool:
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new stuff -- world center hotel next to deutsche bank building site is open
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the new w hotel is across the street/south from deutsche bank
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then just south below the w hotel something else is set to up, this is albany/washington streets
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i dk what it is, but there is a big lot and lots of construction sheds and stuff onsite :shrug:
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this is looking north over liberty community garden in front of the brooklyn-battery tunnel entrance
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lots of really nice old buildings over here :tup:
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lastly, not related to the wtc, but new, noteworthy & very nearby is the goldman sachs office tower in bpc
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this strange and awkward walkway canopy has no regard to the building next to it
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i'm not a fan of this fat/bland corporate tool office building, some are, but anyway there it is
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oh i saw this on a bpc residential tower
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*** so there you are, definate visible progress now -- thats whats up all around the wtc site this fall ***

[sw5710]

Steel beams going up. Now 510' to top of steel.

[sterlippo1]

great shots MrNYC, thanks for sharing and a great one of the W hotel, I LOVE that building!

[NOPA]

Lots of good pics! thanks. At least the Goldman building isn't a square

[NYguy]

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[RockMont]

I love the curved facade siding of that one in the next photo above.

[Innsertnamehere]

tommorow!! :notacrook:

[STR]

I'm looking to redo my N1WTC model. I don't suppose anyone here has links to elevation drawings, blueprints or anything of that nature? I would make the work much easier and quicker. Like, by next weekend quick.

Really anything WTC related would also be appreciated. PM please.

[Zensteeldude]

42 floors or 480' even, or146.3 meters, plus about 4 feet to the column splice.

[Zensteeldude]

I'm looking to redo my N1WTC model. I don't suppose anyone here has links to elevation drawings, blueprints or anything of that nature? I would make the work much easier and quicker. Like, by next weekend quick.

Really anything WTC related would also be appreciated. PM please.

I have em, it's a matter of not being able to share. I would like to avoid jail time, if at all possible.

[Domamania]

I have em, it's a matter of not being able to share. I would like to avoid jail time, if at all possible.

on the matter of wtc tower 1, why would you go to jail for sharing the blue prints of the tower with some one else?

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

on the matter of wtc tower 1, why would you go to jail for sharing the blue prints of the tower with some one else?

because its a government funded structure that is a prime target for terrorism...think about it...

[Zensteeldude]

on the matter of wtc tower 1, why would you go to jail for sharing the blue prints of the tower with some one else?

It's called a non-disclosure agreement. All of the WTC site prints are covered by one. I signed one when I recieved the prints, couldn't get them unless I signed.

[NYguy]

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[westmc9th]

42 floors or 480' even, or146.3 meters, plus about 4 feet to the column splice.

its the 44th floor :)

[Zensteeldude]

LOL, NOW it is.:D

Let's see, 817' 10" - 311' 2" = 506'8" or 154.432meters. Plus the usual 4 feet for the splice, the zero point is 300' below mean high tide at Battery Park Point. (Yep, the ground floor is only 11' 2" above mean high tide. God save NYC if it gets hit by a hurricane.)

I guess I was counting floors on the wrong photo, thanks NYGuy for the up to date pic.

[STR]

I have em, it's a matter of not being able to share. I would like to avoid jail time, if at all possible.

I understand. Shame there isn't anything you could share. Just a list of the elevations of each floor would be a bigger help than anything else. I mean, the rest of the info I can solve for based on publicly available info, plus a bit of logic. I mean, this one bit of info seems to be out there given Culwalla has it in metric in his diagrams, and random people keep shouting out exact heights.

LOL, NOW it is.:D

Let's see, 817' 10" - 311' 2" = 506'8" or 154.432meters. Plus the usual 4 feet for the splice, the zero point is 300' below mean high tide at Battery Park Point. (Yep, the ground floor is only 11' 2" above mean high tide. God save NYC if it gets hit by a hurricane.)

I guess I was counting floors on the wrong photo, thanks NYGuy for the up to date pic.

Yeah, that is precisely the kind of info I need.

[RobertWalpole]

Goldman is a very nice tower. I'm unaware of any office building built in America (and outside of NY) in the past five years which is nicer.

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[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Goldman is a very nice tower. I'm unaware of any office building built in America (and outside of NY) in the past five years which is nicer.

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hey what about BofA?:D

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[JSsocal]

"Goldman is a very nice tower. I'm unaware of any office building built in America (and outside of NY) in the past five years which is nicer."

I don't know how to put this other then that you are wrong.
There's Comcast center, NY Times tower, Hearst Tower (You said 5 years), 11 Times square (debatable for sure), and 300 North La Salle. GS is far from a brilliant design. It is incredibly bulky, only made up for by the curve in the facade. It isn't a bad building, but I would say that if almost any other notable architect took a crack at this, they'd probably do a better job.

=========

Sorry for the off topic post.

Question:
As the diagonals running from the four corners of 1WTC to the top of the building in the center move up, and "cross over" the vertical beams, will there be any sort of complications or slowdowns, or is it as simple as one more piece of steal?

Also I assume these pieces meet up at the floorplate level and not between floors, no?

[Zerton]

Goldman is a very nice tower. I'm unaware of any office building built in America (and outside of NY) in the past five years which is nicer.


I nominate Aqua (Chicago)

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ok back to the WTC

[STR]

Elevations people, I know you have them. I know you want to see what I'll do with them...totally new verson of 3DS Max just sitting on my hard drive.

Look, I just pulled this out of my ###, right now, at this moment. Imagine how nice it will look with the final version of the building.
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[Onn]

Very nice! This is going to be the king of lower Manhattan. :)

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Elevations people, I know you have them. I know you want to see what I'll do with them...totally new verson of 3DS Max just sitting on my hard drive.

Look, I just pulled this out of my ###, right now, at this moment. Imagine how nice it will look with the final version of the building.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7720/teaseru.jpg

i hope we make it up to here by the New Year.

[STR]

Most useless bit of trivia in the history of this tower: the corners chamfer (widen) 1.01 inches for every foot in elevation of the building.

Anyone else looking to model this thing (and couldn't figure it out mathematically like I did) will probably find that extremely useful. See, if all of the floors are identical, you don't have to worry about a weird unit of measurement like that, you just take the chamfer per floor and scale that up the tower (which conveniently can be automated), which is pretty much what I did with the white floors below. With the gray ones, since they all have random heights (BIG THANKS to my info hookup, you know who you are), I apply the factor calculated above to figure out the right angle, as shown in the 2nd image. The net result: A an edge mathematically accurate by 1/1000 of an inch.

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[NYCLuver]

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[NYguy]

http://www.observer.com/2010/real-estate/everybody-go-downtown

Everybody Go Downtown!

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Sheldon Silver and Larry Silverstein.

By Dana Rubinstein
October 19, 2010

At the northern end of midtown, where the skyscrapers abut Central Park, there's a rarified realm called the Plaza district. Bounded, depending on whom you ask, by 54th and 64th streets, Park and Sixth avenues, this is where the kings among men work: the billionaires, the families with foundations, the private-equity royalty. It's expensive, exclusive and only a few blocks south of the community of co-ops on Fifth and Park avenues. In good weather, the men walk to work. In bad weather, they're driven.

The Plaza district itself is but a subset of the larger realm that is the midtown office market. Fortune 500 corporations and white-shoe law firms exchange sackfuls of money for 15 years tenancy on a nice floor high up in the midtown skyscraper forest. On the flip side is the downtown market, south of Chambers Street, where smaller-time firms have traditionally hunkered in drafty, prewar digs near Wall Street, and which has struggled to overcome first the recession in the early '90s; then Sept. 11; then the recession after that; and then the recession after that.

"In today's world, people prefer midtown to downtown," said Dale Schlather, chair of the New York chapter of real estate group CoreNet Global and a broker at Cushman & Wakefield. "The main reason for that is people who are commuting into Grand Central station don't want to go all the way down there."

Such has historically been the power balance in the New York City office market.

Far-fetched as this may seem, some real estate professionals predict that in 20 years, the balance will tilt in the other direction. Condé Nast is close to signing a lease for 1 million square feet in One World Trade Center (the former Freedom Tower), the anchor of a redevelopment project that looks like it might finally be on track; a project that will bring 10 million square feet of high-quality office space to an aging Manhattan office market; in a location surrounded by ever-more-successful residential neighborhoods in Brooklyn, New Jersey, downtown Manhattan and the Financial District itself; in a city whose center of gravity continues to shift southward. Some real estate professionals go so far as to predict that Lower Manhattan could become the new Plaza district, the most sought-after office market in the city, and by extension, the nation.

"Literally, we were talking about this in my office last week," said Thomas Wright, executive director of the Regional Plan Association. "There's a real possibility that at some point, its high-end offerings are going to be considered the most attractive."

BY 2030, MAYOR Bloomberg will no longer be the mayor of New York City, Governor Cuomo will have come and gone and the World Trade Center development will presumably be complete. That completion will represent more than just a long-delayed victory over terrorism, bureaucratic bungling, construction hold-ups, and a terrible real estate market. It will also, arguably, represent the largest injection of new office space into the Manhattan market since the last time the World Trade Center opened, in 1972, with 10 million square feet.

In a Manhattan office market of 450 million square feet, that's something of a proverbial drop in the bucket. And it may, like its predecessor in 1972, have some initial trouble finding tenants in a real estate market that is suffering for lack of demand.

But the new towers will have a major edge over time for one simple, compelling reason: They will be new. Right now, as in most downtowns, the average New York office building is about 60 years old, compared to an average of about 30 years in suburbs nationally, according to CBRE Econometric Advisors. New means office buildings with better light, greener features, better air circulation and fewer columns interrupting workflow. Those who can afford them generally choose them.

"If floors have a forest of columns, you are governed by the architecture," said Mary Ann Tighe, CEO of CBRE's tristate region and chairman of the Real Estate Board of New York, adding that tenants also put a premium on good light and air. "Where are you going to get that? In a building with punch windows that was built in the '60s and '70s, where basically the air gets re-circulated like you were on a long airplane flight all day?"

Larry Silverstein put it another way: "Let me tell you, we are spending about $20 billion. When you spend that kind of money, you do magnificent office buildings! World class in every regard! Iconic! With well-recognized architects! So the design is spectacular."

As Lower Manhattan is reborn, the central midtown market ages, with few major development sites left: the lot of the former Drake Hotel at Park Avenue and 56th street; Boston Properties' 250 West 55th Street; the Hotel Pennsylvania; and maybe the Roosevelt Hotel. The only looming rival for downtown could be the far West Side, which theoretically has a similar amount of square feet in the pipeline, assuming Moynihan Station and Brookfield's Manhattan West project move forward. (Mayor Bloomberg cut a very ceremonial ribbon on Moynihan's only fully funded portion this Monday - the expansion of a couple underground concourses.) And even then, the West Side will have only one subway line, to the Financial District's 13.

The final harbinger of Lower Manhattan's rise: the residential resurgence in surrounding neighborhoods, a resurgence that has pumped up property values in Soho, the West Village, Hoboken, Jersey City, Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, Dumbo, Carroll Gardens, Boerum Hill, Fort Greene and the Financial District itself, and made Tribeca even more expensive than the Upper East Side.

"At the time of the Plaza district's emergence, the Upper East Side and the, if you will, southern portion of the West Side were really the most prestigious places to live in the city," Ms. Tighe said. "A number of these new emerging neighborhoods, whether Chelsea, the meatpacking district or the West Village, and parts of Brooklyn, are now the most prestigious places to live."

Mr. Schlather made a corollary argument for the larger executive set.

"Right now, the decision makers in all the big companies tend to be boomers," Mr. Schlather said. "The boomers were an urban-moving-to-suburban society. They tend to live in Westchester and Connecticut and therefore must commute to Grand Central Station.

"Gen X and Gen Y are more sustainable. They don't want to commute an hour. It's just not the way they want to spend their lives," he continued. "They're becoming a more urbanized culture. And New York is becoming more suburbanized. You've got Home Depot, Costco, all the amenities that used to be reserved for the suburbs. They want to live in Brooklyn, Hoboken, Chelsea, Tribeca, Soho and the Lower East Side, not in Westchester and Connecticut. Transportation from these areas to downtown is actually easier than to midtown. So when the decision makers are the next generations, it is likely that the importance of Grand Central to the decision makers will decrease relative to today. Advantage, downtown."

Further, one could argue that, with the media company agglomeration in Hudson Square, the Whitney's planned move downtown and even a 92 Street Y in Tribeca, the city's entire center is drifting southward.

None of this even takes into account the impact of Sheldon Silver, who, with his "Marshall Plan" of rent subsidies at the World Trade Center and tax breaks for downtown tenants (along with hundreds of millions in direct state aid), is effectively helping pave the streets with gold—something that doesn't become clear until they're done paving in 2015 or so.

Ms. Tighe declined to discuss any aspect of her client Condé Nast's leasing negotiations for space at One World Trade, nor would Condé Nast comment as to the role that its workforce location—which we imagine has a healthy presence downtown and in Brooklyn—played in its desire to move to Lower Manhattan.

But consider where the tops of the mastheads live. Graydon Carter: West Village. Anna Wintour: West Village. Stefano Tonchi: West Village. Brandon Holley: Red Hook.

"It's going to go through," asserted Larry Silverstein, of the Condé Nast deal at One World Trade. "They want it, the Port wants to get it done, Condé Nast wants to get it done. They signed a letter of intent. I see no reason it shouldn't happen. Is it a harbinger? The first of many."

Mr. Wright, of the Regional Plan Association, sees Condé's imminent move downtown as a harbinger, too.

"In other words, what Condé did to Times Square is potentially what they can do to Lower Manhattan," Mr. Wright said, referring to Condé's move in 1996 to 4 Times Square, a move that helped kick-start the transformation of Times Square into Disneyland.

"What happens when the World Trade Center site is done?" said Mr. Schlather. "There will be a beautiful new transportation center, a beautiful memorial park, an arts center and a ton of new retail space to support the 50,000 or so workers who will be located there . And that blight of a hole is filled. All of a sudden that area, in the end, will be beautiful."

[hunser]

:previous: lower manhattan has a bright future, that's for sure. :tup: it will be an amazing rebirth, in the true sense of the word. exciting times are upon us!

[NYguy]

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[hunser]

:previous: is the guy selling some new WTC postcards? :haha: he must be a tourist guide or something...

[NYguy]

:previous: is the guy selling some new WTC postcards? :haha: he must be a tourist guide or something...

Looks like one of the various guides people have down there, I pick up a few myself from time to time. There are also a lot of tour groups, led by people giving specific knowledge of the rebuilding, or what they know of it. Sometimes they're accurate, sometimes not so much.

[Domamania]

Looks like one of the various guides people have down there, I pick up a few myself from time to time. There are also a lot of tour groups, led by people giving specific knowledge of the rebuilding, or what they know of it. Sometimes they're accurate, sometimes not so much.

Your right, cause when i was there like 3 weeks ago i was hearing a tour guide person and he said that tower 1v2 will be complete in 2015 and i yelled out wrong. Then i said it going to open in 2013 not 2015, and everybody laughed and he was angry.

[Pbellamy]

:previous: is the guy selling some new WTC postcards? :haha: he must be a tourist guide or something...

To be honest there are a bunch of people selling WTC memorabilia there. I'm amazed that tourists buy this stuff rather than go to the official sites where the profits go to 911 charities.

If I see people buying pictures of the planes hitting the towers (as they were last week) I ask them why they would be so disrespectful.

[slayerhk47]

Any word on if the glass is on site yet?

[NY-rob-NY]

At which day there startet with the fassade.
does anybody nowes??
Is it in this month??

[winlinmac001]

Oh my, I think Installation of the Curtain Wall has finally started!

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:) :banana: :cheers: :notacrook: :whip:

[Pbellamy]

Oh my, I think Installation of the Curtain Wall has finally started!

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:) :banana: :cheers: :notacrook: :whip:

I seriously doubt that... Look above floor 20 and then let us know...