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[Lt. Washburn]

Thanks for the pictures.

Will they have to raise the cranes up pretty soon?

[HyperPower]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/2873693151_9ff6d6280c_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2873693093_4ffbaef8fe_o.jpg

...above the hole.

[Lt. Washburn]

Thanks!

[theWatusi]

What is that structure behind the FT infront of WTC7?

[Zerton]

I think thats the temporary PATH entrance

[Ghost]

Fantastic shots, thanks!

[talltowers08]

Great shots i was just wondering how do they raise the cranes ?

[M.K.]

My wondering is.. if they will put the Chicago Spire for on-hold some time cause the financial mortgages crises in US now, should have a chance also Freedom Tower and whole complex construction to be put on-hold as well ?

[eMKay]

My wondering is.. if they will put the Chicago Spire for on-hold some time cause the financial mortgages crises in US now, should have a chance also Freedom Tower and whole complex construction to be put on-hold as well ?

I think the chances of either project being put on hold because of the current economic troubles are very slim. First of all, the Freedom Tower is already funded. Second, the Chicago Spire is a very high end building, and rich people in position to buy such property are generally not affected by economic hiccups.

[photoLith]

They havent put the Chicago Spire on hold and dont start spreading rumors. Also, this project wont go on hold because theres too many people involved with it and lots of money invested into it. So the odds of either project going on hold is like nothing at all.

[talltowers08]

what about my question ^ How will they raise the cranes when it comes time ?

[androo3]

what about my question ^ How will they raise the cranes when it comes time ?

They are self rising... there is an external cage that goes on the steel tower that raises the crane and then a new tower section is added to the tower..bolted together then external cage is removed. Something along those lines anyways.

[eMKay]

They havent put the Chicago Spire on hold and dont start spreading rumors. Also, this project wont go on hold because theres too many people involved with it and lots of money invested into it. So the odds of either project going on hold is like nothing at all.

Yeah, exactly. I can't stand reading the Spire thread right now, because everyone seems to think that because they can't SEE work being done, that it's not being done. Just like this thread the last year or so. There has been so much work done on the foundation, but since nothing was rising,people though nothing was being done! It's so frustrating reading all these posts by people with no clue.

[Dac150]

Well just from looking at those above pics (taken from the 3 WFC I would say), in addition to seeing the site for myself on a daily basis, the progress that is taking place is simply outstanding. Work is being done on full force, and it seems that whenever I walk by the site I see steel being erected.

[Lt. Washburn]

Can anyone tell me how many floors or how many feet tall the base structure of this tower is? The part before it transitions to the faceted structure?

Anyone have a guess when it will reach that point? Perhaps within a year from now?

[CHAPINM1]

Can anyone tell me how many floors or how many feet tall the base structure of this tower is? The part before it transitions to the faceted structure?

Anyone have a guess when it will reach that point? Perhaps within a year from now?

I don't know the floor count, but I know that the base will be 186 feet high and will light up at night. ;)

[sask1982]

Is there going to be any underground parking anywhere at the WTC site? I haven't seen any indication of that or heard any discussion about it

[talltowers08]

:) Can anyone tell me how many floors or how many feet tall the base structure of this tower is? The part before it transitions to the faceted structure?

Anyone have a guess when it will reach that point? Perhaps within a year from now?

Basement levels 1-6 - Garage/Retail/Transportation
Ground floor - Main lobby
1st-45th floors (base) - Podium (not occupied on the base except for lobby)[citation needed]
46th-63rd floors - offices[citation needed]
64th floor - sky lobby
65th-84th floors - offices[citation needed]
85th-90th floors - transmission equipment[citation needed]
91st-100th floors - Mechanical
100th-101st floors - Restaurant
102nd floor - observation deck
103rd-108th floors - mechanical (unoccupied)
Top of the building - observation deck two (proposed)

Including basement floors, 1 World Trade Center will have a total of 114 floors. :)

[Kamatzu]

Looking good. Does the report come out tomorrow?

[Crawford]

Is there going to be any underground parking anywhere at the WTC site? I haven't seen any indication of that or heard any discussion about it

No, there will be no parking. Relatively few Manhattan office towers have parking.

[sask1982]

No, there will be no parking. Relatively few Manhattan office towers have parking.

What did the original WTC have for parking? Did it not?

[A-K O.G.]

Twin Towers had a relatively strong parking garage..

[Zerton]

What did the original WTC have for parking? Did it not?

remember what happened in 1993?

[Dac150]

Are you guys sure? I'm pretty sure I heard that there will be a garage. I know there will be one for commuter and tour buses.

[jjk1103]

:)

Basement levels 1-6 - Garage/Retail/Transportation
Ground floor - Main lobby
1st-45th floors (base) - Podium (not occupied on the base except for lobby)[citation needed]
46th-63rd floors - offices[citation needed]
64th floor - sky lobby
65th-84th floors - offices[citation needed]
85th-90th floors - transmission equipment[citation needed]
91st-100th floors - Mechanical
100th-101st floors - Restaurant
102nd floor - observation deck
103rd-108th floors - mechanical (unoccupied)
Top of the building - observation deck two (proposed)

Including basement floors, 1 World Trade Center will have a total of 114 floors. :)

....I guess I don't follow this tower much but ......the 1st 45 floors (base) are unoccupied ??? ..or did I read this wrong ?

[Lecom]

Are you guys sure? I'm pretty sure I heard that there will be a garage. I know there will be one for commuter and tour buses.

It will be in the underground levels of the entire WTC complex without any particular relation to the towers, and there will be no above ground parking. But you're right, the underground parking will accomodate buses.

[talltowers08]

....I guess I don't follow this tower much but ......the 1st 45 floors (base) are unoccupied ??? ..or did I read this wrong ?

No you didnt read it wrong i got this information from typing in freedom tower into google and u wikipedia it

[eduardo88]

No you didnt read it wrong i got this information from typing in freedom tower into google and u wikipedia it

why is there going to be nothing in the first 45 floors? seems like an incredible waste of space, it can't all be mechanical rooms, will they just sit empty?

[A-K O.G.]

Come on lets use our heads, you believe nearly half this tower will be vacant...
1st-45th floors (base) - Podium (not occupied on the base except for lobby)[citation needed].. ANYONE can add information to wikipedia...

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7788, THIS site states only the first 19 floors unoccupied, which makes more sense for a 186ft base. "which will contain the Freedom Tower's 80-foot tall lobby and three of its mechanical floors."
.

Take A look... http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/Section_06-27-06.jpg

[talltowers08]

I just read the informatation that is show it seems reliable but yeah maybe it is wrong. I thought it would be 45 floors vacant incase of car/ truck bombings to keep the workers of the tower safe. Touch wood it doesnt happen.

[Kamatzu]

What did the original WTC have for parking? Did it not?
The old WTC had underground parking, and I've seen a couple pictures with aboveground parking near the South Tower, which I still don't completely understand.

Anyway, the September status report on the WTC comes out tomorrow. (http://www.observer.com/2008/real-estate/coming-oct-2-september-wtc-report)
Something to look forward to! (Hopefully)

[jjk1103]

Come on lets use our heads, you believe nearly half this tower will be vacant...
1st-45th floors (base) - Podium (not occupied on the base except for lobby)[citation needed].. ANYONE can add information to wikipedia...

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7788, THIS site states only the first 19 floors unoccupied, which makes more sense for a 186ft base. "which will contain the Freedom Tower's 80-foot tall lobby and three of its mechanical floors."
.

Take A look... http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/Section_06-27-06.jpg

...ok, that makes a lot more sense. thanks

[NYguy]

The old WTC had underground parking, and I've seen a couple pictures with aboveground parking near the South Tower, which I still don't completely understand.

Yeah, the original WTC had underground parking. In fact, the Freedom Tower is being built over what remains of it. As far as surface parking, there was a little above ground parking on Church Street (in front of 4 and 5 WTC), but I don't remember exactly what it was for. It wasn't general public parking.

[NYguy]

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081001/FREE/810019973/1058/toc

Port Authority shocker: Trade Center making progress
Report due Thursday to conclude Silverstein can finish on schedule.

October 1, 2008

The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey is slated to announce Thursday that it will meet all its obligations to lay the groundwork that will allow Larry Silverstein to complete the three towers he is developing at World Trade Center site by 2012 as scheduled, sources say.

Thursday’s report, these say sources, will be nowhere near as bleak as imagined last June.

One source attributes the new, more optimistic view of progress at Ground Zero to design and engineering changes made in recent weeks. Currently, the Port Authority's Freedom Tower, like Mr. Silverstein’s buildings, are due to be finished by 2012.

[Ghost]

That's great news!

[Starsky]

Are they actually building vertically yet? All the government red tape!

Can you imagine back NYC in the 30's with buildings racing up at a floor a day! Hey, they look good and they are holding up just fine. So much for regulations.

[NYC4Life]

Are they actually building vertically yet? All the government red tape!

Can you imagine back NYC in the 30's with buildings racing up at a floor a day! Hey, they look good and they are holding up just fine. So much for regulations.

All the elements of the new WTC Complex are under construction, with the exception of 200 Greenwich (WTC Tower 2). The Port Authority has not yet completed excavation for the tower.

[NYguy]

http://curbed.com/archives/2008/10/02/ladies_gentlemen_your_new_and_improved_wtc_timetable_results_not_guaranteed.php#more

Ladies & Gentlemen, Your New and Improved WTC Timetable! (Results Not Guaranteed.)

Thursday, October 2, 2008, by Joey

The Port Authority issued its long-awaited report setting a new road map for the rebuilding of the World Trade Center site, the ass-kicking, name-taking final say on when our city's great shame will be replaced by memorials, museums, trains and gleaming glass towers filled with worker bees of uncertain employment. Now, issued press release just deals with the parts of the plan the Port Authority is in charge of (Freedom Tower, Santiago Calatrava's PATH station, the extension of Greenwich Street, etc.), but it is believed that developer Larry Silverstein will deliver Towers 3 and 4 in 2012, and Tower 2 (the diamondy one) a year later. On to the details!

[NYguy]

http://www.globest.com/news/1257_1257/newyork/174206-1.html

The report set a new timetable for completion of One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower and the site's entire public infrastructure. One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower, is scheduled for completion between the second and fourth quarters of 2013, at a cost of $3.1 billion.

The increased cost of One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower, is due to price escalation and project changes, including increasing the size of the observation deck from one to two levels and reducing the restaurant to one level to accommodate the projected number of visitors to the rooftop location.

[talltowers08]

If that is the best they can do then that is it nothing more can be done to speed this up.

[A-K O.G.]

The Offical PA Report, (70)pages long, found here.. http://www.panynj.gov/pdf/WTC_Report_Oct_08.pdf
Quite A good Read, i find it intresting the minimized path station will cost more than 100 million more then the freedom tower itself..umm.

[JDRCRASH]

What will it take to get this finished?


World Trade Center site faces fresh delays

Thu Oct 2, 2008 2:34pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Freedom Tower, centerpiece of the plan to rebuild Manhattan's World Trade Center, will not be completed until 2013(WHAT????!!!), well past the original target date of 2009, the landowning agency for the site said on Thursday.

The 1,776-foot (541-meter) tower, which is meant to symbolize the city's revival after the September 11, 2001 attacks, will cost $3.1 billion, said Christopher Ward, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

The Freedom Tower is the 16-acre site's most important office building, but other features will also be delayed, including the underground part of the memorial museum, a mass transit hub and part of the subway service that runs under it, said Ward, whose agency is overseeing the project.

Other parts of the memorial to the nearly 3,000 who perished -- the plaza, waterfalls, displays of victims' names and a gathering area -- will be finished by the 10th anniversary of the attacks, the agency promised.

The delays are the latest hurdles in the reconstruction of the World Trade Center, which has repeatedly stalled due to fights over insurance and wrangles between the major players -- state, city and federal agencies and developer Larry Silverstein, who leased it two months before it was destroyed.

Ward, who was appointed three months ago, was charged with issuing new and realistic cost estimates and timetables.

However, as the financial crisis grew worse this summer, many construction projects in the city and around the country were affected. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has noted that commodity prices, which had skyrocketed in recent years, have fallen and said this may help ease the cost burden.

Several major subways run through the site, in addition to the PATH trains that link Lower Manhattan with New Jersey, and these links were supposed to keep running during construction.

But now the No. 1 line will close for six weeks in the summer of 2010, and possibly also in part of 2009. PATH trains to the site will be shut some weekends from 2009 to 2011.

The hub, expected to cost $3.2 billion, will not be ready until the fourth quarter of 2013 or the second quarter of 2014. Its cost has spiraled by hundreds of millions of dollars, partly due its complexity, and it now will be simplified further by adding columns to the soaring open mezzanine envisioned by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava.

A spokesman for Silverstein, who is building three office towers on the site, had no immediate comment. The agency has already fallen behind in site preparation work for Silverstein, and paid stiff fines to the developer as a result.

One problem is the demolition of the Deutsche Bank building, just south of the site, in order to build a $633 million vehicle security center. The work was halted last summer after two firefighters died in a fire there.

The U.S. government has bowed out of the security aspect of project, which now will open in the first to third quarters of 2012, said Ward.

(Editing by James Dalgleish)

[37TimPPG]

Wow! FT wont be complete until 2013!?

I'm getting so sick and tired of all these delays and politicians who don't know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground.

You could never tell by looking at the pics from the live cam that this whole site is YEARS away from completion!

I'm Pissed!

...maybe if things turn out right the whole site will be completed by the 20th anniversary of 9/11 in 2021!!!

I realize this is an extremely complicated development. I just wish things would move along a little more quickly - as I am sure we all do. I mean no disrespect towards those who perished on 9/11 or anyone associated with this most momentious development.

[A-K O.G.]

Chill man, from an engineering standpoint this is an extremely complex site, you think downtown Atlanta was designed, funded, constructed, not to mention built by a standard security code never even imagined all in 13 years, all the while keeping in mind the respect for the families who lost loved ones, I dont..
Even if the site were to spring out of the ground at this very second, the vacancy rate for city office space is climbing at an alarming rate, leading to less value for the growing expense of this site, things will fall in place if not sooner, then later...
Im sick of people who cry for quick cheap development when they dont know the half of it, rather than waiting for quality product which is safer, will last longer and is more thought out, its about getting the best bang for your buck in a slipping market...
If you could see how many times I revise schematics for the smallest parts, im sure you would put a bullet in your head.. If you really want to help get off your computer, grab a shovel & put on a hard hat, walk down to the site & help them dig out the foundation for Silversteins Tower 2, It would do alot more then complaining, Thanks...

[CHAPINM1]

:previous: I definetly agree that this project take time and be built with the highest quality and effort. :previous:

Also, that's kickass news about the proposed roof observatory in addition to the one on floors 101 and 102. Anyway, things ARE happening!

[CoolCzech]

Also, that's kickass news about the proposed roof observatory in addition to the one on floors 101 and 102. Anyway, things ARE happening!

That's definitely some of the better news we've had about this tower in a long while. Now if only they could think of a way to accommodate a rooftop deck... :cool:

[NYC4Life]

Work on the site is being done, we will see it completed, even a few years late.

[tone99loc]

Personally, I'll be happy if I steel 5 stories above ground on Jan 1, 2009. Is that too much to ask for?

[NYC2ATX]

I'm very disappointed to hear of the design changes to the transit hub. If we keep simplifying it, it will not even be worth the trouble to maintain any aspect of the Calatrava design AT ALL. What's the point?

Seriously, I can't wait until 30-40 years from now, when everyone realizes how full of shit all this was.

[NYguy]

If that is the best they can do then that is it nothing more can be done to speed this up.

The tower will be completed in 2013, but there really is no big difference between 2011, 12, or 13. In fact, its not as if companies are knocking down the door to get into these towers, so the more time, the better. One of the reasons the towers are being built (besides replacing needed office space) is to restore the skyline. And as soon as these towers are topped off, it's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. The Bank of America tower isn't completed, but it is from a skyline standpoint. And finally, there are no delays, they're just telling us when these projects will be completed. Everyone knows these developments didn't begin when planned, so obviously they will be completed later.

[NYguy]

I'm very disappointed to hear of the design changes to the transit hub. If we keep simplifying it, it will not even be worth the trouble to maintain any aspect of the Calatrava design AT ALL. What's the point?

The Calatrava design is nice, but whatever they can do to cut the cost needs to be done. This is an office space development above anything else (not including the memorial). If anything, they can throw some of that money where its needed, like the Fulton St transit center just down the block (which many more people will use).

[CHAPINM1]

The tower will be completed in 2013, but there really is no big difference between 2011, 12, or 13. In fact, its not as if companies are knocking down the door to get into these towers, so the more time, the better. One of the reasons the towers are being built (besides replacing needed office space) is to restore the skyline. And as soon as these towers are topped off, it's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. The Bank of America tower isn't completed, but it is from a skyline standpoint. And finally, there are no delays, they're just telling us when these projects will be completed. Everyone knows these developments didn't begin when planned, so obviously they will be completed later.

Sorry if this is off topic, but I still think the Bank of America still has filling into do. The upper portion besides the spire has been incomplete for A YEAR ALREADY! Honostly, I wonder what the delay is with the completion of that project! It will be a year in December when the spire was completed and the building is still not completed.

[NYguy]

Sorry if this is off topic, but I still think the Bank of America still has filling into do. The upper portion besides the spire has been incomplete for A YEAR ALREADY! Honostly, I wonder what the delay is with the completion of that project! It will be a year in December when the spire was completed and the building is still not completed.

They have had several issues already with that tower, including glass falling a few times, and work has been halted a few times as a result.

If I can get back to the Calatrava design for a minute, here's an example of some of the "changes" we are talking about:

(downtown express)

http://www.downtownexpress.com/JULIESCO.jpg

The new design for the W.T.C. PATH station’s belowground mezzanine (right) adds columns and makes Santiago Calatrava’s original design (left) easier to construct. The design simplification will allow the 9/11 memorial to open by the 10th anniversary

[NYC4Life]

Considering much of the site is still just dirt, and Tower Two's foundation is still being excavated, the revised schedules are realistic.

[A-K O.G.]

I'm very pleased with this new time table, not necessairly the dates, but they do seem very realistic, good to think we shouldnt have to expect more lengthly delays (not to say it couldn't happen)... Seems like full steam ahead..

[A-K O.G.]

I'm very pleased with this new time table due to the fact we shouldn't have to expect more lenghtly delays (not that it couldn't happen)...full steam ahead... how do i delete posts, sorry...

[Apathanoia]

Hmmm...so comparing the old 2007 info (http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_277/waitforwtc.html)with this...

1 WTC/FT was 2014, now 2013
2 WTC was 2015, now 2013
3 WTC was 2014, now 2012
4 WTC was 2012, still 2012
Memorial Museum was 2015, now 2013
PATH Station was 2016, now 2014

The memorial itself is set for 9/11/2011, and the DB demo should be finished next August. Fiterman Hall (if you even remember it) is likely to remain the way it is...it isn't included in the plans.

So we have a probabilistic net savings of approximately 9 years for the 16 acres based on this...? What else has been changed besides having columns in the PATH station?

[NYC4Life]

Within 6 years, assuming there are no further delays, the site will be complete. The current progress at the site is undeniable.

[NYC4Life]

Today at 4:45 PM - From EarthCam

I enhanced the original EarthCam capture in Photoshop.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2516/77173605sb3.jpg

[MONACO]

Hell.....This is actually moderately reassuring.




Hmmm...so comparing the old 2007 info (http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_277/waitforwtc.html)with this...

1 WTC/FT was 2014, now 2013
2 WTC was 2015, now 2013
3 WTC was 2014, now 2012
4 WTC was 2012, still 2012
Memorial Museum was 2015, now 2013
PATH Station was 2016, now 2014

The memorial itself is set for 9/11/2011, and the DB demo should be finished next August. Fiterman Hall (if you even remember it) is likely to remain the way it is...it isn't included in the plans.

So we have a probabilistic net savings of approximately 9 years for the 16 acres based on this...? What else has been changed besides having columns in the PATH station?

[skellergroup]

This is so frustrating. I wish they just went back to the old design.

[Just-In-Cali]

Chill man, from an engineering standpoint this is an extremely complex site, you think downtown Atlanta was designed, funded, constructed, not to mention built by a standard security code never even imagined all in 13 years, all the while keeping in mind the respect for the families who lost loved ones, I dont..
Even if the site were to spring out of the ground at this very second, the vacancy rate for city office space is climbing at an alarming rate, leading to less value for the growing expense of this site, things will fall in place if not sooner, then later...
Im sick of people who cry for quick cheap development when they dont know the half of it, rather than waiting for quality product which is safer, will last longer and is more thought out, its about getting the best bang for your buck in a slipping market...
If you could see how many times I revise schematics for the smallest parts, im sure you would put a bullet in your head.. If you really want to help get off your computer, grab a shovel & put on a hard hat, walk down to the site & help them dig out the foundation for Silversteins Tower 2, It would do alot more then complaining, Thanks...

Hmm, I would suggest you take your own advice.
I have been following this project from the outset, as many here have. I do not live in New York, Im from Los Angeles, but I work in the design field, specifically architectual and mechanical engineering. I have seen many plans roll across my desk over the years, and I must say that the number of delays and overuns here would usually kill a project outright. This was not well thought out at all. All the designers want their imprint on this, and so they have complicated the project to the extent that there has been a virtual paralysis at the site for over 5 years. Only now are we seeing the smallest bit of real dynamic progress. Im glad for that at least, but its not wrong to demand accountability to those that have so mucked up this ever so important site. The worst part is its turning this iconic project into a footnote in the history of our ever fading status of a superpower. :(
All that said, lets just hope they can maintain their current schedule. It will be a marvel when finished, but its lost much of its luster. If they can pull off a miracle and get it done faster, then all of the critics, including me, can shut it...until then, I wont silence my disapointment. When did "half assed" become the standard for our country?

[Kamatzu]

Christopher Ward is a godsend. Where was he in 2002 when we needed him? =P

Good to see this is happening.

Also, what's this I hear about a rooftop obs. deck proposal? When did this happen?

[A-K O.G.]

Just-In-Cali,

Im sure a 3+ billion dollar plan has never rolled across your desk, the more expensive, obviously more intreicate, is generally going to have more redraws and more time getting things to work better together, at the start would you have proposed to build the roof of the transite center first to accomidate a faster rebuild of a memorial, I wouldn't of, didnt even think of it, but now its necessary in order to have this memorial near complete in 2011 instead of 3 years later, things come up, and when they do its always best to slow down, work out the best solution and go from there, an extra month of planning can save time even if your not building within that month....

Giving the nature of this site & significance to our country and every citizen, it would make sense alot of people would like to contribute, wouldnt you have liked to have some of your architecture displayed for this site, a site which people will make special trips to this city just to see? I sure would.. , I've taken my advice

[BrandonJXN]

This is so frustrating. I wish they just went back to the old design.

THIS?

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Images/US/NY/NYC/FreedomTower-002.jpg

[NYC4Life]

I think he meant this:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/wtc.ideas/designs/page.121/1.jpg

[NYC4Life]

Latest model of the Freedom Tower (Top portion at least)

By: philvia (http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=15193) - Wired New York

http://i38.tinypic.com/rszd51.jpg

[Apathanoia]

I think he meant this:


Or maybe...:gaah: new Twin Towers:gaah:
You could modify your image to have a twin flag tower (no Jesus though).:laugh:

Oh, and about the Just-in-Cali question of when half-assed became the standard...The answer is when they chose the politicians to handle everything.

...and about the rooftoop deck...wouldn't that mean the loss of the spire/antenna and reduce the official height to 1358 or something feet? The original WTC had the deck on the tower without the antenna, and the new one would have less space to stand on, even w/o the spire.

[Just-In-Cali]

Just-In-Cali,

Im sure a 3+ billion dollar plan has never rolled across your desk,

Giving the nature of this site & significance to our country and every citizen, it would make sense alot of people would like to contribute, wouldnt you have liked to have some of your architecture displayed for this site, a site which people will make special trips to this city just to see? I sure would.. , I've taken my advice

Actually, The Getty in Los Angeles, LA Live in downtown LA, and Petco Park in San Diego have all rolled across my desk at one time or another for work.
LA live is pushing 2 Billion, so yeah, I know what that is like. And of course everyone wants their name imprinted on a massive high profile project. My point was, all of the in fighting and political pandering going on has hindered what could have been an quick and inspiring construction. Not that they cant catch up, but they could have done much better. I just want to see them ramp it up now and show us all that it can be done.
Sorry to step on your proverbial toes...and I know you guys get VERY sensitive about the topic, but I was just taken aback at the tone of your first message.

[CGII]

http://i38.tinypic.com/rszd51.jpg

UGH. I'm so sick of these budget cuts.


;)

[M.K.]

I think he meant this:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/wtc.ideas/designs/page.121/1.jpg

Actually that is not too bad, it means Jesus receiving everybody and why not the Liberty Statue as well. Very nice thought btw. It is like the huge most famous 2 statues communicating side-by-side, strange, but the most racional sense of freedom...

[BrandonJXN]

^ Good point but it would never work.

[CGII]

Actually that is not too bad, it means Jesus receiving everybody and why not the Liberty Statue as well. Very nice thought btw. It is like the huge most famous 2 statues communicating side-by-side, strange, but the most racional sense of freedom...

That is the most terrifying proposal I have ever seen, and not just because I'm a hardcore atheist.

[Apathanoia]

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/07/wtc_memorial_may_open_for_91110_but.php

I don't know how much this belongs here (idk if there is a separate WTC memorial topic), but it looks like it took just five days for something to be pushed back even further...at most the memorial will be open for a few days on the 10th anniversary but close for another year for more construction.

[NYguy]

wtcrising.com

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[A-K O.G.]

Actually, The Getty in Los Angeles, LA Live in downtown LA, and Petco Park in San Diego have all rolled across my desk at one time or another for work.
LA live is pushing 2 Billion.

-My apologies for lack of credit where credit is due, pretty impressive, but i dont think it's all to far behind, 7WTC went up faster then i can remember simply due to the fact people behind it didnt have to rely on the PA, & with an extra 200+ million from the PA silverstein has just now gotten underway with his main projects, though they went through the finial design approvals months ago. Looking at the Port Authority, yea I believe way too many people were involved, (and still are) in this, but from the enginering-design team of Silverstein they completed as much as they could ON TIME as the PA would allow, since silverstein & the PA seem to have as much stake in the project as the next their both taking blame for the progress at the site when all it is is lack of management on behalf of the P.A. NY/NJ. Later this week,(probably next) when the east bathtub is handed down to Silverstein I believe then we will see amazing progress at every corner of the site, hold your breath..

[vanhenrik]

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[androo3]

Would this building go up very very fast once they get to the lobby due to the fact there is much to the first 200 feet?

[NYC4Life]

By: econ_tim (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/member.php?u=11327) - Wired New York

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[Northfield]

Well i'm happy to see this baby finally start to go skyward! Hopefully i'll be in the city soon and maybe take a few pics myself.

[PhxSprawler]

Actually that is not too bad, it means Jesus receiving everybody and why not the Liberty Statue as well. Very nice thought btw. It is like the huge most famous 2 statues communicating side-by-side, strange, but the most racional sense of freedom...

Jesus receiving everybody... except gays, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Taoists, and pro-choice supporters. Great message of freedom.

On a positive note, it is great to see progress!

[RockMont]

Jesus receiving everybody... except gays, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, Taoists, and pro-choice supporters. Great message of freedom.

On a positive note, it is great to see progress!



Ah, excuse me. I don't think this has anything to do with the significance of what this particular thread stands for, so you might want to take your hatemongering, or your version of it to another thread or forum. Only the last sentence is relevant.

[Apathanoia]

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From what I heard, that movie was crap.:maddown:

But given these images of 2 WTC (which was shown in commercials), I wonder why that is #2 and not the Freedom Tower. The 1776 point would have been the top corner, the building would still be without an antenna or spire, and the beam of light coming from the center could alternate between red, white, and blue.:tomato: :fruit: :righton:

[NYC4Life]

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[NYguy]

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Yeah, I saw that movie. Tower 2 also appeared in a comic book as well, I don't remember exactly which one, but it was D.C.

[Zerton]

They have had several issues already with that tower, including glass falling a few times, and work has been halted a few times as a result.

If I can get back to the Calatrava design for a minute, here's an example of some of the "changes" we are talking about:

(downtown express)

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The new design for the W.T.C. PATH station’s belowground mezzanine (right) adds columns and makes Santiago Calatrava’s original design (left) easier to construct. The design simplification will allow the 9/11 memorial to open by the 10th anniversary

Do you know of any other similar examples?

[Kamatzu]

Does anyone know why the north core hasn't risen since like... February?

Just curious.

[NYguy]

Do you know of any other similar examples?

Another example would be the opening that was to be in the "roof" of the main building. But those are the biggest changes visually.

[NYguy]

More skyline, model shots.

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[Wheelingman04]

^ Great models.

[Realthang]

In case you all didn't notice, the south core jumped again late this afternoon. The south crane is going to have to rise pretty soon, isn't it?

[NYC4Life]

The crane is getting swallowed up by the rising core.

[Ghost]

But what the hell is taking so long with the north core?

[theWatusi]

^ Due to economic troubles they are only going to build the South half of the tower at this time.

[Puzzlecraft]

Anyone know how many feet are involved with a core jump? If it is one floor per jump, then given the known three intervals in days, between the last four jumps (47 days, 63 days, 49 days), it will take around 14 years to build the building, lol. My guess is the core won't be so massively thick on the higher floors. Iit is taking a long time to do the rebar.

[NYguy]

^ Our patience will be rewarded.


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[NYC4Life]

Nice to see this latest rendering without its neighbor, Goldman Sachs Headquarters.

[HyperPower]

Tell the truth, do you people really like the spire on this tower? I hope they are going to fix it before they top out. It seems abnormal everytime I look at it.

It will be nice to see anything at this point in the Financial Disctrict as tall as this baby. I feel Foster's WTC 2 will overshadow or be the attention graber over this tower though.

[rich_200]

^
Other than if it should or should not count for the height(that I think it shouldn't) I like the spire because it is covered and not so thin so you can clearly see it from a distance so it is not just a pathetic attempt to be the tallest one, as the NYTT's spire

[NYguy]

^
Other than if it should or should not count for the height(that I think it shouldn't) I like the spire because it is covered and not so thin so you can clearly see it from a distance so it is not just a pathetic attempt to be the tallest one, as the NYTT's spire

That's an old rendering, so forget about that version of the spire.
It's the same height though, and just as thick. It's almost a little too thick for a spire, but it will wrap around an antenna.