NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[sterlippo1]

I don't know how some people do not like this building.

100% agree:shrug:

[Yankee fan for life]

Very disappointed they deleted 1 wtc in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 don't understand why since they have wtc 2 and wtc 3 in it. :(

[sterlippo1]

nm:shrug:

[steveve]

Very disappointed they deleted 1 wtc in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 don't understand why since they have wtc 2 and wtc 3 in it. :(

are you serious?... they had it in the trailer(s)... i just ordered the game, lol! i hope you'll be fighting on streets where the towers will be visible. it'll be like living in a render :D

[CarlosV]

I guess it will be 360m tall at christmas time! :banana::worship::cheers:

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[NYguy]

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[Plokoon11]

I have to say that man, it is really feeling nostalgic now seeing how high it is. It already is giving me the presence that the twins had. Which is a great thing, especially from that last picture.

[animatedmartian]

are you serious?... they had it in the trailer(s)... i just ordered the game, lol! i hope you'll be fighting on streets where the towers will be visible. it'll be like living in a render :D

I actually saw it in game. The have the other towers, but the in-game version of Tower 1 isn't the same as the real-world tower. In-game, it was square all the way up with two spires on top. It still had chamfered corners but was massively more taller than Tower 2.

Edit: Actually, I'd have to recheck that part. There's a quick part where you're in a heli leaving south over Manhattan but it clearly shows the WTC site.

[Roadcruiser1]

She is going to be amazing :slob:.

[Yankee fan for life]

I actually saw it in game. The have the other towers, but the in-game version of Tower 1 isn't the same as the real-world tower. In-game, it was square all the way up with two spires on top. It still had chamfered corners but was massively more taller than Tower 2.

Edit: Actually, I'd have to recheck that part. There's a quick part where you're in a heli leaving south over Manhattan but it clearly shows the WTC site.

I am pretty sure thats wtc 3

[SkylineFan]

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Went down and took a pic of the WTC today! :) The beast is growing!

[Otie]

How old are you guys? :rolleyes:

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[jd3189]

:previous: I go by 25.

[SkylineFan]

26 here! :)

[animatedmartian]

I am pretty sure thats wtc 3

Nope, pretty sure they have a different 1 WTC design. 3 WTC is clearly distinguishable as well as 2 WTC.

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[Yankee fan for life]

I don't think that's a different design for 1 wtc i think its a building they put their to just fill in for it .

[animatedmartian]

I don't think that's a different design for 1 wtc i think its a building they put their to just a fill in for it .

I guess. I think it's sort of odd considering that the trailer showed a more accurate to real-life version. Those screenshots are ones I just took in-game. Why would they change it? :shrug:

[jd3189]

:previous: Maybe they didn't want it to be reminisce of 9/11?

[animatedmartian]

I dunno, it's a video game that shows dead people and burning skyscrapers with missiles flying into them. Also, I think the square tower with the double spires on top makes me think more about the original towers rather than the new one.

But now that I think about it, the trailer was probably made after the game was developed or mostly developed. So Yankee would be right about it being a place holder building that they probably didn't change until they made the trailer.:duh

[rider15]

A interesting video about 1 WTC :http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-World-Trade-Center-Iron-Workers-Building-Steel-133179753.html

[Danielson27]

The cocoon moving on up!!

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[xnyr]

[/URL]The cocoon moving on up!!

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What webcam did you get this shot from?

NEVER MIND.. found link http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/ (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/)

Also, anyone know how the cocoon panels are widened/narrowed as they progress up the tower? Do they do this work [U]after they are raised?

[pnapp1]

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World Trade Center from about 20 minutes ago.

This could not have been taken yesterday. This pic is weeks old! Easy to see if you know what you're looking at... just saying!

[N830MH]

The cocoon moving on up!!

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Looking good!! Keep it up!!

[NYguy]

http://www.downtownexpress.com/?p=4454

Mixed forecast for One W.T.C., says leasing exec

November 9, 2011
ALINE REYNOLDS

DE: What is so appealing about 1 W.T.C., from the perspective of an office tenant?

It’s truly a chance for a company to get on a global stage. The tower is a global icon — it’s going to be the largest, tallest building in the Western Hemisphere. It’s only up to 86 stories in steel, yet it makes an extraordinary impression.

DE: Talk about the tenants you’ve secured thus far.

The first tenant which signed is Vantone, for about 190,000 square feet on floors 64 to 69. The second is Conde Nast, which took just over one million feet on floors 20 to 41.

DE: What kind of company is Vantone?

It’s actually a division of Vantone called China Center New York, a Chinese entity that houses companies from China coming to the U.S. to do business.

DE: Are there any other office tenants you’ve lined up that we don’t know about yet?

Conde was unusually out of the box early! There are more than a dozen that we’re tracking, including a creative firm and a law firm. Their brokers would prefer that I not mention their names.

[SkylineFan]

This could not have been taken yesterday. This pic is weeks old! Easy to see if you know what you're looking at... just saying!

Oops. Nope, that picture was from September 8, 2011. You are correct.. I selected the wrong one on my iPhone.

[CarlosV]

Another amazing sunset!

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[CarlosV]

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[CarlosV]

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[NYguy]

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[jigglysquishy]

Its weird seeing 1WTC tower over 7WTC. It wasn't that long ago that we were celebrating 1WTC becoming taller than 7WTC.

[Danielson27]

A couple of pics I took today

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These pics are amazing. The second one shows, indeed from a certain angle, 1wtc along with Beekman will give the illusion of new "Twin Towers". As for the third shot, never have seen this angle before. Was this taken from the Chrysler Building?

[jd3189]

:previous: This is going to be one of the greatest comebacks in history.

[ThisSideofSteinway]

As for the third shot, never have seen this angle before. Was this taken from the Chrysler Building?

The flickr page says it was taken from 383 Madison, which is (or was, I suppose) the Bear Stearns building.

[patrick989]

These pics are amazing. The second one shows, indeed from a certain angle, 1wtc along with Beekman will give the illusion of new "Twin Towers".

Oh not this again :rolleyes:

[sterlippo1]

Oh not this again :rolleyes:

lol:haha:

[2-TOWERS]

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Carlos amazing , stunning sunset shot.....check out 4 wtc rising alon side the BEAST !!!!!! Carlos Cam Rocks !!!!!!!! thanks for the beautiful shots :cheers:

[Otie]

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[Big Rooster]

Hi guys, first time post on this forum. Been going through the pages of this site for some time now – first of all a big thank you to everyone posting their incredible pictures. I moved to NYC a year ago so the building of 1WTC has mesmerized me since I joined these shores from London. Living in Greenwich Village doesn’t really give me the vantage point to take such righteous pictures, (nor does my inability to take a good picture!). So keep up the great job guys!! :cheers:

Last week, I was walking down 5th Ave, at about 40th street, looking straight down the avenue and saw 1WTC in its glory. This building is going to look immense, as part of the skyline, from a distance in Manhattan, and maybe most importantly when you are walking by it.

I’ve seen some negative posts about 1WTC lately, which kind of compelled me to post as well. A lot of comments about its blandness. Naturally everyone is entitled to their opinion, which makes these discussions so fascinating. IMHO this building checks all the right boxes. Fair enough, some may argue that it ticks all the boxes without ‘wowing’ any of them, but when you are building something which is going to change the face of the world’s most famous skyline, you have to be careful. After reading these negative posts, I looked again at all the other proposals. Seriously if any of the others were built, we would be in uproar that it is a complete eyesore or far too big for Manhattan’s skyline. 1WTC is strong, monolithic but it is not going to dominate the skyline. It’s tall, but not too tall to look ridiculous amongst the other buildings. It has a powerful look, but with an elegance that gives it an understated class, particularly due to the tragedy that led to this building.

On another note, I’m falling in love with 4WTC. The glass is astonishing, the setback is a touch of class and I think I might cut myself on those razor sharp edges!! Definitely my favourite of the 4 main buildings of the WTC.

[SkylineFan]

Hi guys, first time post on this forum. Been going through the pages of this site for some time now – first of all a big thank you to everyone posting their incredible pictures. I moved to NYC a year ago so the building of 1WTC has mesmerized me since I joined these shores from London. Living in Greenwich Village doesn’t really give me the vantage point to take such righteous pictures, (nor does my inability to take a good picture!). So keep up the great job guys!! :cheers:

Last week, I was walking down 5th Ave, at about 40th street, looking straight down the avenue and saw 1WTC in its glory. This building is going to look immense, as part of the skyline, from a distance in Manhattan, and maybe most importantly when you are walking by it.

I’ve seen some negative posts about 1WTC lately, which kind of compelled me to post as well. A lot of comments about its blandness. Naturally everyone is entitled to their opinion, which makes these discussions so fascinating. IMHO this building checks all the right boxes. Fair enough, some may argue that it ticks all the boxes without ‘wowing’ any of them, but when you are building something which is going to change the face of the world’s most famous skyline, you have to be careful. After reading these negative posts, I looked again at all the other proposals. Seriously if any of the others were built, we would be in uproar that it is a complete eyesore or far too big for Manhattan’s skyline. 1WTC is strong, monolithic but it is not going to dominate the skyline. It’s tall, but not too tall to look ridiculous amongst the other buildings. It has a powerful look, but with an elegance that gives it an understated class, particularly due to the tragedy that led to this building.

On another note, I’m falling in love with 4WTC. The glass is astonishing, the setback is a touch of class and I think I might cut myself on those razor sharp edges!! Definitely my favourite of the 4 main buildings of the WTC.

Welcome to the forum! I'm Jesse! :) :cheers:

[Big Rooster]

Welcome to the forum! I'm Jesse! :) :cheers:

Thx Jesse - definitely gonna be posting more from now on! The next few years are gonna be awesome for skyscrapers in NYC!

[Otie]

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[Guiltyspark]

So, just so we are clear. 1WTC being featured or not in major media is not something we are allowed to talk about for a page or two in a 800+ page thread?

[Dac150]

It's sort of surreal to see the presence this building is now starting to re-caputre in the area.

[Roadcruiser1]

One World Trade Center is starting to fill the void left by the fallen Twin Towers :).

[CarlosV]

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[Roadcruiser1]

I see some steel sticking up. Does that mean another 3 floor jump soon?

[Otie]

^Nope, next jump will occur in 2 weeks and the columns will extend to the 90th fl.

[CHAPINM1]

What is the exact height in feet at this point? I lost track on what it was after this last jump. Thanks in advance... ;)

[antoine-c]

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I can't believe that the sunset was so nice!!
Really great shot with amazing colors :worship:

Thank you so much and keep doing the good job!

[NYguy]

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[RockMont]

One World Trade Center is starting to fill the void left by the fallen Twin Towers :).



And that's only the beginning.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

I see some steel sticking up. Does that mean another 3 floor jump soon?

Nope that's just the top of the steel that was put in.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

^Nope, next jump will occur in 2 weeks and the columns will extend to the 90th fl.

According to Port Authority, it IS already on the 90th floor at 1,118 feet. ;)

[sw5710]

According to Port Authority, it IS already on the 90th floor at 1,118 feet. ;)

The last jump was 3 story columns from floor 86-89.

86 = 1,066' 8''
87 = 1,080'
88 = 1,093' 4''
89 = 1,107' 8''
90 = 1,130' 8''
91 = 1,151' 8''
92 = 1,181' 8''
Not including splices!

[CarlosV]

A very hazy day in Gotham...

...Thank you so much and keep doing the good job!

:tup:


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[NewYorkSkyline117]

The last jump was 3 story columns from floor 86-89.

86 = 1,066' 8''
87 = 1,080'
88 = 1,093' 4''
89 = 1,107' 8''
90 = 1,130' 8''
91 = 1,151' 8''
92 = 1,181' 8''
Not including splices!

Hmm well wikipedia's source didn't say that........and besides how do you know the exact heights anyways?

[NewYorker2009]

Hmm well wikipedia's source didn't say that........and besides how do you know the exact heights anyways?

Well, wikipedia isn't always that reliable so whoever is placing that information in there that the Tower is on floor 90 must think the Tower rises one floor per week and that floor 89 was finished already but that isn't the case right now. Those are the exact heights according to the late ZenSteelDude's prints that he had of Tower 1.

[sw5710]

Check this out. 13' x 12'' = 156'' + 4'' =(160'') per floor or 13' 4'' so 160'' x 68 floors = 10,880'' divided into a foot of 12'' = 906.66 feet of office floors to floor 88 + the 187' base = 1,093.66' feet to floor 88.:) The 88th floor is the 1st taller office floor 14'4'' The xtra tall columns that are standing up at the core are for future floor 89.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

Well, wikipedia isn't always that reliable so whoever is placing that information in there that the Tower is on floor 90 must think the Tower rises one floor per week and that floor 89 was finished already but that isn't the case right now. Those are the exact heights according to the late ZenSteelDude's prints that he had of Tower 1.

True actually. I gotchya guys now :tup:

[marshall]

So it sounds like they finally got a solution for putting glass on the concrete base, to make it more inviting and blend better with the glass on the rest of the tower? When will they start putting it on? The old WTC towers were a tube structure that were designed to sway in high winds high up. Is this tower designed that way, I know it has a much stronger concrete core....Any idea when in 2012 they will start putting up the antenna?

[Roadcruiser1]

1) The glass on the base should start on late 2011 to early 2012.

2) The old WTC sway in the wind because of it's design. Box structures are more prone to sway in the wind since the wind would blow a box building in one direction. One World Trade Center is designed to allow the wind to blow around it causing less sway.

3) Mast construction should start once the roof has been topped off, and the telecommunications rings have been installed. I would say mid to late 2012.

[Otie]

According to Port Authority, it IS already on the 90th floor at 1,118 feet. ;)

I wouldn't trust 100% on the PA either. There's a big gap of communications between DCM and the PA, DCM reports to Tisman, which again reports to the PA. Trust me, this forums sometimes have more true data than any official source. :tup:

[dchan]

The old WTC towers were a tube structure that were designed to sway in high winds high up. Is this tower designed that way, I know it has a much stronger concrete core....

All skyscrapers and tall structures are designed to sway in high winds because those are the primary dynamic forces that they encounter. As Roadcruiser mentioned, the aerodynamic design of the skyscraper dictates the degree which high winds will sway the building.

As for the reinforced concrete core - it's perhaps stiffer, and definitely more fire-resistant than the old WTC towers' steel frame cores. But it's not necessarily stronger, but it depends on what you mean by the term "strength". In engineering terms, the strength of a material usually refers to the load at which it finally yields. For steel, the yield strength is actually lower than the ultimate strength, but you never want to design for the ultimate strength because that occurs at a point in which the steel is no longer behaving elastically and has been permanently deformed (that is, it will no longer go back to its original length after the load is removed).

[NewYorkSkyline117]

I wouldn't trust 100% on the PA either. There's a big gap of communications between DCM and the PA, DCM reports to Tisman, which again reports to the PA. Trust me, this forums sometimes have more true data than any official source. :tup:

Haha okay then I guess I'll rely on this forum instead. And you're right, it does seem unreliable. :yes:

[SearsTower]

Great progress! :yes: Can't wait for the next jump, does anyone know how many floors they'll put up next time?

[Roadcruiser1]

Probably 3 like last time, or 2...

[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: NYBOY75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B29zAuqAiMU

[m0by]

Trust me, this forums sometimes have more true data than any official source. :tup:


:haha: So true!

But I'm still waiting for an answer --> What time do they need to build these "doublefloors"? Just like the normal floors, one floor per week?

[flemington]

Guys, frankly speaking, I assume the ONLY reliable source to know what exactly is being done on 1WTC is to work (to be) there... It would be nice to have some of the ironworkers or superintendants on the forum to update the progress.

However, I am trully happy to know that those guys are doing their job every single day to make all in time. I'm grateful to them.

For sure we'll see the result in February 2012, so I'm sure they'll make their job as best as possible. NYC is not Mumbai or Dubai. They know what they do since 1900's

[ESB/WTC fan]

1 WTC in another commercial, around the 0:17 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1c_It0ekC0

[CarlosV]

Daily Update

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[2-TOWERS]

[QUOTE=CarlosV;5476994]Daily Update

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You want daily updates well the Carlos Cam is the best you get zoom shots and
Super zoom as well as the time of day and what event is going on in the Big City
Anyway look at the size of the King !!!!!

[yankeesfan1000]

Sickkkkk. I love those photos where you put in how much is left. Love your updates Carlos!

[NYYskyline]

1 WTC in another commercial, around the 0:17 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1c_It0ekC0

Im glad to see that. There are still commricals showing lower manhattan like nothing is going on. Like across Lower Manhattan in 2008 when there was nothing there.

[Yankee fan for life]

No offence to the people of Chicago but cant wait for 1wtc to be completed so new york can take back the tallest in the country crown again, i know their are going to be some people out their that will say that 1 wtc is cheating with its spire and that the Willis tower has the taller roof.

[Otie]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6113/6333948059_4eafe62d30_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flatbushgardener/6333948059/)
Tower One Rising Into Fog (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flatbushgardener/6333948059/) by Flatbush Gardener (http://www.flickr.com/people/flatbushgardener/), on Flickr

[Yankee fan for life]

No offence to the people of Chicago but cant wait for 1wtc to be completed so new york can take back the tallest in the country crown again, i know their are going to be some people out their that will say that 1 wtc is cheating with its spire and that the Willis tower has the taller roof.

[cityenthusiast]

No offence to the people of Chicago but cant wait for 1wtc to be completed so new york can take back the tallest in the country crown again, i know their are going to be some people out their that will say that 1 wtc is cheating with its spire and that the Willis tower has the taller roof.

Sorry to nitpick but Chicago has always had the tallest sears tower is 442m and the original world trade center was 417 m so when the new world trade centers spire is raised y'all will have taken back the tallest since the sears tower topped out in the mid 70s

[animatedmartian]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6058/6336444996_55364717f0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6336444996/)
World Financial Center, WTC 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6336444996/) by Dan Nguyen @ New York City (http://www.flickr.com/people/zokuga/)

[sterlippo1]

No offence to the people of Chicago but cant wait for 1wtc to be completed so new york can take back the tallest in the country crown again, i know their are going to be some people out their that will say that 1 wtc is cheating with its spire and that the Willis tower has the taller roof.

then hopefully chicago builds that chicago spire thing. to me, if it's in the US, the more the merrier:cheers:

[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: NYBOY75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoaN6AChTkM

[CarlosV]

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[Guiltyspark]

No offence to the people of Chicago but cant wait for 1wtc to be completed so new york can take back the tallest in the country crown again, i know their are going to be some people out their that will say that 1 wtc is cheating with its spire and that the Willis tower has the taller roof.

I know this has been beaten to death, but I still think spires should not count. Only habitable floors with every day use should count. Just look at the US Diagram, it looks really high, then low (at Bank of America) then high again (Aon and John Hancock) then really really low (NYT Tower)... And if we are going to measure by spires then why do spires that have a function not count? AKA radio and TV spires? And dosent the WTC's "spire" have broadcast equipment?

It seems like you could build a 50 story tower with a 50 story "spire" on the top and bam, you now have the tallest building in the United States.

[Plokoon11]

Well I believe it can be the tallest point in which a human being can be on. And I'm sure spires have ladders inside. ;)

[CarlosV]

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[uaarkson]

I know this has been beaten to death, but I still think spires should not count. Only habitable floors with every day use should count. Just look at the US Diagram, it looks really high, then low (at Bank of America) then high again (Aon and John Hancock) then really really low (NYT Tower)... And if we are going to measure by spires then why do spires that have a function not count? AKA radio and TV spires? And dosent the WTC's "spire" have broadcast equipment?

It seems like you could build a 50 story tower with a 50 story "spire" on the top and bam, you now have the tallest building in the United States.

If you measured like that you'd be lopping hundreds of feet off Burj Khalifa's true height. When people want to know how tall a building is, they want to know how tall it actually is, not how high the last "habitable floor with every day use" (man, is that vague) is.

[Roadcruiser1]

The Twin Towers won't have 110 floors in your judgement GuiltySpark, because it had mechanical floors too. It would have had only 100 or less floors.

[CarlosV]

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[Guiltyspark]

If you measured like that you'd be lopping hundreds of feet off Burj Khalifa's true height. When people want to know how tall a building is, they want to know how tall it actually is, not how high the last "habitable floor with every day use" (man, is that vague) is.

Exactly, then a spire and antenna both should count. How is it any more vauge and arbitrary than calling something a spire or antenna when they both have communication equipment. Is a flag pole a spire? And you didnt answer my question so I will ask again. If I built a 50 story tower with a gigantic spire, would that count? Also, it isnt vauge at all, it is called the roof height, and every building in the diagrams has one listed.

[Guiltyspark]

The Twin Towers won't have 110 floors in your judgement GuiltySpark, because it had mechanical floors too. It would have had only 100 or less floors.

No, you are twisting my words or just making words up. lol. Sure mechanical floors can count, this conversation is not about floor count, it is about height. Roof height vs spire/antenna height. I just dont understand why a antenna that we call a spire (as in 1WTC) counts but one that admits what it really is does not. Anything that you can look at and say obviously, that is an add on so the developers can claim the building is much taller than it actually appears should not count. And people act like this would be so hard to figure out, when it would not be. The roof heights are already listed on the diagram. I think someone on these forums actually made a diagram by roof height and it seemed much more logical.

Anyway, while I really like 1WTC, it seems like we have lost the knack for making a spire blend with the rest of the building the way they used to. The Spire on the ESP and Crysler building seem to grow fit perfectly with the structure. Now it seems like one just gets tacked on. Maybe Art Deco just lent itself to spires.

[Guiltyspark]

Well I believe it can be the tallest point in which a human being can be on. And I'm sure spires have ladders inside. ;)

So do antennas. And I would be amazed if Trump or NYT Tower could fit a ladder inside.

[meh_cd]

It was fun when Sears and the original WTC were constantly one-upping eachother by adding height to their antennas. We won't be seeing that again. :( Well, I spose Sears could increase an antenna to surpass 1 WTC's spire, but that'd be a dick move.

Anyway, on the topic of 1 WTC, it'll be nice to see a sleek modern tower take the title back. I love Sears, but the facade needs a serious facelift/cleaning.

I just hope they figure out some way to leave the possibility for a restaurant at 1 WTC. If it's true that they took out the restaurant service elevator, then how boned are we? I really think the PA is underestimating the desire for a high end restaurant in the sky in NYC. All of the others have closed, or are not in ideal locations.

Finally, I can't wait to see how they light up the mechanical floors and the spire.

My hope is that they install LEDs on the mechanical floors so that they can adjust the colors like the ESB's top setbacks, and then use floodlights on the spire ala Bank of America or Conde Nast.

Imagine 3 strips of red, white, and blue on the mechanical floors and a dynamic lighting scheme on the spire. :slob:

[Otie]

^Restaurant is gone. Floors 100, 101st and 102nd will be used for the Observation Deck. Your lighting description matches with dbox renderings and I don't see any obstruction or element that can ruin that arrangement. :tup:

[Dac150]

What a shame . . . that's really disappointing that they'll be no restaurant.

[m0by]

:previous: In my eyes it's more inportant to have an obersation deck than a restaurant. But having both would be ok too ;)

[Chicago103]

^Restaurant is gone. Floors 100, 101st and 102nd will be used for the Observation Deck. Your lighting description matches with dbox renderings and I don't see any obstruction or element that can ruin that arrangement. :tup:

Why on earth do they need three whole floors for an observation deck? I mean unless it's an indoor/outdoor deck like the old WTC there really shouldn't be more than one floor for an observatory, especially a strictly indoors one. Is it some crowd control thing where they just want massive massive capacity? What is the floor space for each of those floors? I mean look at the Empire State Building and how little space they have, the Sears Tower has one 11,000 square foot floor for an observatory so I don't see why an observatory even in NYC needs 100,000+ square feet of indoor space. Even if there is no formal dining restaurant you could have a pretty big food court on one of the floors, heck the old WTC observatory had a small food court.

[Roadcruiser1]

Too bad that can't happen. They got rid of the food/restaurant service elevator. There isn't a way to get food up to the top unless if they turn one of the normal elevators into a food/restaurant service elevator.