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JMGarcia

Feb 15, 2013, 7:55 PM

The shape is sort of interesting but couldn't they have at least painted the freaking thing white. It's kind of an embarrassment the way it is now.

Well, NY remains unique among cities at least. I can't imagine this sort of BS "value engineering" happening anywhere else in the world.

I'm currently consulting in offices in Jersey City right across the river from the tower. A number of people, none of whom have any clue about the whole process and haven't followed anything to do with the reconstruction, have had negative things to say about it.

Enigmatism415

Feb 15, 2013, 8:23 PM

Dunno if anyone's asked this yet but: Why haven't they covered over the center of the east right side up triangle wall with windows yet? That service elevator was taken down a longggg time ago. Are those missing windows going to be used to take down the roof cranes or something?

Yeah, what gives? :shrug:

Onn

Feb 15, 2013, 8:33 PM

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69261_433671923376718_1797336450_n.jpg
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This is some crazy base cladding. I never would have expected a horizontal pattern like that. Seems like they're breaking new ground here, I don't think this has ever been done before. :hmmm:

uaarkson

Feb 15, 2013, 9:18 PM

Oh please. Wait till they pop the fins out at least, before you bitch.

aquablue

Feb 15, 2013, 9:30 PM

Oh please. Wait till they pop the fins out at least, before you bitch.

I don't think he was being critical...

Anyway, what are the fins?

meh_cd

Feb 15, 2013, 9:44 PM

I'm currently consulting in offices in Jersey City right across the river from the tower. A number of people, none of whom have any clue about the whole process and haven't followed anything to do with the reconstruction, have had negative things to say about it.

Good, they should. Despite what the small minority on these fans sites have said, this thing looks bad when compared to almost anything else around the world. It's a discombobulated mess without the radome.

kpdrummer82

Feb 15, 2013, 10:15 PM

Notice how the section around the guy wire pick-up points actually carries the frame for the radome. Sadly, the closest we will get.:(

That's for the guide wires not the randome

NewYorque

Feb 15, 2013, 10:35 PM

Oh please, I have a question; I'm sorry, but I am quite ignorant about the financial aspect of 1WTC construction:

The building is said to cost around 4 billion dollars.

My question is simple:

Who pays the four billions? The city of New York? the State? public spendings? Private company?

Once again, sorry if it has been already answered. I really wonder about that question..

laser110

Feb 15, 2013, 10:37 PM

Exactly!!! And when several of those parts are downgraded it downgrades the entire building. I think it was Eames who said "the details aren't the details, they are the design."

I don't think a thing has been downgraded here. Things change for various reasons when constructing a building. Again, I don't see the point of making issues of it here, nothing is going to change, and nothing any of us say or do WILL change it.

Scott

kpdrummer82

Feb 15, 2013, 10:38 PM

kpdrummer82

Feb 15, 2013, 10:38 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8477540076_dc5331eb2b_b.jpg
The skyline looks gorgeous tonight :D

gramsjdg

Feb 15, 2013, 10:43 PM

That's for the guide wires not the randome

It may have something to do with supporting the pickup points. Either way, I'm pretty sure those triangular sections around the pickup points are for the radome, as is the very top cone-shaped section of the antenna. NYguy will probably be able to confirm/deny that however.

CCs77

Feb 15, 2013, 11:07 PM

Silverstein pays 1 billion, NYS pays 250 million, and the PA pays 1 billion, the rest will be payed with taxes and toll hikes.

But later, I guess the PA will get a percentage of the rents generated by this buiding, won't they?

aquablue

Feb 15, 2013, 11:09 PM

Good, they should. Despite what the small minority on these fans sites have said, this thing looks bad when compared to almost anything else around the world. It's a discombobulated mess without the radome.

The thing does not look bad. Looks pretty fantastic actually, despite the antenna issue. The building itself is the most important thing, and it looks great.

PMadFlyer

Feb 15, 2013, 11:13 PM

It may have something to do with supporting the pickup points. Either way, I'm pretty sure those triangular sections around the pickup points are for the radome, as is the very top cone-shaped section of the antenna. NYguy will probably be able to confirm/deny that however.

No, its not the frame for the actual panels (they were to be 2 inch foam). I think there was to be a section at the height of that piece which did not have radome panels over it. Basically, the panels start on either side of that section so it has to be architectural and structural at the same time. I think another possible cause for the removal of the radome was the lighting scheme. Durst likes lattice antennas with colorful displays. The panels at the top would have been back-lit, the lighting would probably have produced over saturated areas next to overly dim ones. It would require LEDs to be fitted behind every face instead of localized on mounts.

aquablue

Feb 15, 2013, 11:14 PM

Oh please. Wait till they pop the fins out at least, before you bitch.

Explain the pop out of the fins please.:shrug:

aquablue

Feb 15, 2013, 11:15 PM

No, its not the frame for the actual panels (they were to be 2 inch foam). I think there was to be a section at the height of that piece which did not have radome panels over it. Basically, the panels start on either side of that section so it has to be architectural and structural at the same time. I think another possible cause for the removal of the radome was the lighting scheme. Durst likes lattice antennas with colorful displays. The panels at the top would have been back-lit, the lighting would probably have produced over saturated areas next to overly dim ones. It would require LEDs to be fitted behind every face instead of localized on mounts.

Durst likes antennas with colorful displays? What is he now, a lighting designer?

NYC GUY

Feb 15, 2013, 11:46 PM

Explain the pop out of the fins please.:shrug:

It's the icing to the cupcake Im not the best at explaining it but they will be like pieces of glass sticking out of the cladding. They will look something like this.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6049/6356847431_f13c28575a_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6356739391_3fe5554e9d.jpg

-Filipe-

Feb 15, 2013, 11:51 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8385/8476435531_6d8ac1150d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030045@n06/8476435531/)
1 wtc (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030045@n06/8476435531/) by drken10003 (http://www.flickr.com/people/28030045@n06/), on flickr

:d

SupertallSkyline88

Feb 16, 2013, 12:10 AM

Wow, this has made alot of progress since the last time, I have been on here. :):cheers::notacrook::D:worship:

Davidsam52

Feb 16, 2013, 1:55 AM

From NY1.com:

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/177149/workers-begin-installing-energy-efficient-glass-panels-at-1wtc

Stratosphere

Feb 16, 2013, 2:37 AM

The building is said to cost around 4 billion dollars.
Why so expensive comparatively to a building like the Shanghai Tower which is taller, has a larger total floor area, and only costs $2.2 billion?

-Filipe-

Feb 16, 2013, 2:38 AM

Why so expensive comparatively to a building like the Shanghai Tower which is taller, has a larger total floor area, and only costs $2.2 billion?

more safety precautions.. and maybe better quality material?

TechTalkGuy

Feb 16, 2013, 2:42 AM

more safety precautions.. and maybe better quality material?

Definitely !! :tup:

NYC GUY

Feb 16, 2013, 2:56 AM

Why so expensive comparatively to a building like the Shanghai Tower which is taller, has a larger total floor area, and only costs $2.2 billion?

Because a load of political bs that led to so many delays in construction plus it is supposed to be a high quality building with a lot of safety features.

DesignerVoodoo

Feb 16, 2013, 3:33 AM

I went down tonight to see the base but they have started with the south side and I couldn't see it without going into the memorial. I really love the mechanical floors vents. http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/8127/img2138x.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/img2138x.jpg/)

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bigreach

Feb 16, 2013, 4:55 AM

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69261_433671923376718_1797336450_n.jpg
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Now that looks nice!! That's what I like, a bigger pic and more progress, so you can get a perspective of how it'll look,, 1 or 2 pieces, u can't tell a thing. It's very impressive. Nice photo, do they still talk about moving messages(crawlers, like on tv) on the base of this bldg with advertsments,, They said they were adding 1000's of LED lights in the base glass, I hope they don't make the base some kind of advertising garbage, I remember reading awhile back, probably quite awhile, they were contemplating moving messages or crawlers if you will, I sure as hell HOPE NOT!!! Uaarkson when will they start these "fins" you're talking about?

TheCap'n

Feb 16, 2013, 5:18 AM

I think another possible cause for the removal of the radome was the lighting scheme. Durst likes lattice antennas with colorful displays. The panels at the top would have been back-lit, the lighting would probably have produced over saturated areas next to overly dim ones. It would require LEDs to be fitted behind every face instead of localized on mounts.

This is a good point. The lighting, and more importantly the maintenance of the lighting, would have been far more difficult and ultimately less uniform in appearance than the way it's being done now. And yes, Durst does like the color-changing masts. I just hope they show a little restraint with this mast with the color-changing and just stick with the plan to keep it white most of the time. In my opinion, the white light is more elegant and classy than all of that color-shifting which seems kitchy and tacky to me when it's overdone. This building doesn't need that to draw people's attention.

TheCap'n

Feb 16, 2013, 5:23 AM

Durst likes antennas with colorful displays? What is he now, a lighting designer?

He definitely likes the color-changing LEDs on his masts. See the BoA building and the Conde Nast building for examples of what he likes to do with masts in NYC. The fixtures atop 1WTC will have RGBW capabilities, but the beacon is all white, thankfully. Can you imagine a color-changing rotating beacon shooting out for miles in all directions??? :duh The skyline would look like a bad circus was going on!

StrongIsland

Feb 16, 2013, 5:55 AM

I don't know what it is but it looks like the crane is picking something up right now weird time to do something no? I could be wrong...

TechTalkGuy

Feb 16, 2013, 5:58 AM

One of the cranes are currently picking something up, it's about 1am...weird time to be doing this no?!

That's great news! :hyper:

SFContributor

Feb 16, 2013, 6:06 AM

The arrival of more mast pieces?

NYCrules

Feb 16, 2013, 6:20 AM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8477540076_dc5331eb2b_b.jpg
The skyline looks gorgeous tonight :D
One WTC looks undulating, how come???

kpdrummer82

Feb 16, 2013, 7:42 AM

One WTC looks undulating, how come???

Well, that's most likely just the quality of the camera, I can assure that not undulation will occur when this tower is complete nor has any occured :P Still looks great though eh?

NYCrules

Feb 16, 2013, 9:03 AM

the building u/c next to Goldman Sachs yonder there, I am not sure if it is 56 Leonard..
What's that??
Maybe off-topic,though...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8225/8475311670_79a38e950a_h.jpg

Noll

Feb 16, 2013, 10:51 AM

The antenna without cranes and temporary platforms:

http://i.imgur.com/iU6JQ0t.jpg

Original photo by kenfromjersey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030045@N06/8476435531/in/contacts/

AlphaCentauri

Feb 16, 2013, 12:06 PM

The antenna without cranes and temporary platforms:

http://i.imgur.com/iU6JQ0t.jpg

Original photo by kenfromjersey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030045@N06/8476435531/in/contacts/

Only two of the platforms currently up there are permanent (and one of them is on top of the disc structure half-way up).

That is a really good shop though :tup:

fleonzo

Feb 16, 2013, 12:37 PM

Where are the rings??

MadGnome

Feb 16, 2013, 1:37 PM

Where are the rings??

I imagine the rings won't go up until the temporary platform is gone.

hunser

Feb 16, 2013, 2:07 PM

Good, they should. Despite what the small minority on these fans sites have said, this thing looks bad when compared to almost anything else around the world. It's a discombobulated mess without the radome.

Eh no. The antenna / spire issue sure is a mess but the buidling itself is just gorgeous. The cladding works quite well, and the edges reflect the (sun)light in a unique way. The shape of the tower fits in perfectly with the surrounding towers. It's not too overwhelming, but still dominates.
Also the base cladding seems to be better than expected. So yes, overall 1WTC is a very classy tower.

alan88

Feb 16, 2013, 2:56 PM

I imagine the rings won't go up until the temporary platform is gone.

Rings start arriving next week and go up before top sections of spire go up in march.

Rings start arriving next week and go up before top sections of spire go up in march.

Actually, I just spoke to site and first part of ring came in over night given weather forecast, eg. high winds at start of week. So if you look at the KPI-TV camera you will see ring on vessy street now that spire sections are not occupying all of vessy street.:tup:

NYguy

Feb 16, 2013, 4:08 PM

The spire reminds me of the Tokyo Sky Tree

That's exactly what I thought when I first saw it.

Well, NY remains unique among cities at least. I can't imagine this sort of BS "value engineering" happening anywhere else in the world.

Yeah, you know I like skyscrapers, a lot. But I love the City, and I think it's a shame what they have done here. Whether you liked the earlier design or not,
it at least was an attempt to be something special. This is no ordinary tower, no ordinary site, but Durst (and the PA) just gave a big middle finger to the rest
of the City. SHAME on the Port Authority - and the governors who allowed this. And SHAME on Durst - yeah, the same one who didn't think we should have a
Freedom Tower at all.

The antenna / spire issue sure is a mess but the buidling itself is just gorgeous. The cladding works quite well, and the edges reflect the (sun)light in a unique way.

The building always looks gorgeous in the light, especially in live shots on tv. But the only "good" thing I can say about the spiretenna is that the details aren't
as visible from the street. It's a mess, but you can't see just how much of a mess it is. People will wonder what happend here, how did we go from a great, signature
spire to this functional looking mast that could be on any building, anywhere in the world as an afterthought. They'll get used to it, but wonder why there wasn't better.

I can't wait for the documentary...:cool:

Some photos taken yesterday....( FEBRUARY 15, 2013 )

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807449/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807450/original.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807451/original.jpg

4.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807452/original.jpg

5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807453/original.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807454/original.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807455/original.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807456/original.jpg

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807457/original.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807458/original.jpg

11.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807459/original.jpg

12.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807460/original.jpg

13.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807461/original.jpg

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807462/original.jpg

15.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807463/original.jpg

16.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807464/original.jpg

17.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807484/original.jpg

QUEENSNYMAN

Feb 16, 2013, 5:42 PM

Great pictures thanks everyone for your great contributions!

My latest video sorry if it is not that clear but I wanted to make update.

By: QUEENSNY121

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ij6BZGDWo&feature=youtu.be
a8ij6BZGDWo

Thaniel

Feb 16, 2013, 6:23 PM

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807462/original.jpg

Now are those slitted floors (and the floor directly below them) supposed to have different color windows or is that just months of snow, rain, and dirt covering the other windows?

PiJay

Feb 16, 2013, 6:35 PM

Now are those slitted floors (and the floor directly below them) supposed to have different color windows or is that just months of snow, rain, and dirt covering the other windows?

I actually think that's just an optical illusion since there's darker background to those windows!

nycaddict

Feb 16, 2013, 6:43 PM

Welp. It's official. My New York City curse has been broken. After 5 months of trying and ultimately failing to get into the city, I made in today for my sisters wedding. Was able to see the tower from the drive in but it was foggy and I couldn't even see the top. Ill be going back tomorrow to show my sisters roommates around So ill see if I can make it down. Finally.

ThatOneGuy

Feb 16, 2013, 6:52 PM

I like the slightly industrial look of the mechanical floors' slotted glass revealing the steelwork underneath.

hunser

Feb 16, 2013, 9:32 PM

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AlphaCentauri

Feb 16, 2013, 10:08 PM

Good, they should. Despite what the small minority on these fans sites have said, this thing looks bad when compared to almost anything else around the world. It's a discombobulated mess without the radome.

the only "good" thing I can say about the spiretenna is that the details aren't
as visible from the street. It's a mess, but you can't see just how much of a mess it is. People will wonder what happend here, how did we go from a great, signature
spire to this functional looking mast that could be on any building, anywhere in the world as an afterthought. They'll get used to it, but wonder why there wasn't better.

Both here and on SSC there is a lot of armchair criticism about what Durst did by removing the architectural component of the spire.

My question is: Has anyone on here or otherwise actively tried to protest about this? I realize that it is probably a small minority of people who really care about this building, and even less of us who are mad about the spire; but the fact remains that this building may be around for the next 500 years...

In my opinion, all these cuts to the WTC (the spire, 3wtc's height&cross-bracing) are really removing the integrity that this plan originally had.

Why can't we do something? There is nothing from stopping us from trying. A lot of things could be done, even if it is just going to the press about it and explaining that not rebuilding in the best way possible is an insult to the memory of those who were killed here...
We could even put out a fundraiser to raise the ten million. After all, the population of NY is around ten million, and there are sure to be people all across the nation who would give for such a cause.

This may sound like just beating the dead horse, but I am legitimately disappointed (as a lot of you are) about this spire thing and I hope that we won't be stuck with this thing for the rest of our lives.

Picture related: the glory of the original plan... :(
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8107/8480336526_87f520ba77_c.jpg

meh_cd

Feb 16, 2013, 10:24 PM

Eh no. The antenna / spire issue sure is a mess but the buidling itself is just gorgeous. The cladding works quite well, and the edges reflect the (sun)light in a unique way. The shape of the tower fits in perfectly with the surrounding towers. It's not too overwhelming, but still dominates.
Also the base cladding seems to be better than expected. So yes, overall 1WTC is a very classy tower.

I was only referring to the spire. The base is a bit of a mess as well, but yes I would agree that the "main" portion of the building looks great.

CalibratedZeus

Feb 16, 2013, 10:47 PM

From the Garden State Bridge, exit 127 heading north, roughly 21 miles sight distance. Did the best I could going 80 MPH.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8479360033_9fcca0b871_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67172991@N06/8479360033/)
DSC_5362 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67172991@N06/8479360033/) by calibratedzeus (http://www.flickr.com/people/67172991@N06/), on Flickr

NewYorkDominates

Feb 17, 2013, 12:35 AM

Hunser,your time has come... Lol

http://www.flickr.com/photos/noamg/8479445443/sizes/h/in/photostream/

The reason I can't follow the procedures you gave me on how to post a secured picture is because I'm using a tablet.

yankeesfan1000

Feb 17, 2013, 1:01 AM

^^ Awesomee colors.

Edit: Can someone post it?

TheCap'n

Feb 17, 2013, 2:00 AM

14.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/148807462/original.jpg

Is it just me, or does section #6 look really White is this photo??? could be just the way the sun is hitting it.....

Thaniel

Feb 17, 2013, 4:15 AM

I actually think that's just an optical illusion since there's darker background to those windows!

No, cus the right side up triangle south face is also 'clearer' and bluer. I think the other windows are just covered in dirt though since there's no window washer ring on top of the building yet. They stopped the window progress from like November? to late Jan. so I'm assuming the winter grime is all over the floors below where they restarted the mechanical floor windows.

Dense_Electric

Feb 17, 2013, 4:22 AM

Both here and on SSC there is a lot of armchair criticism about what Durst did by removing the architectural component of the spire.

My question is: Has anyone on here or otherwise actively tried to protest about this? I realize that it is probably a small minority of people who really care about this building, and even less of us who are mad about the spire; but the fact remains that this building may be around for the next 500 years...

In my opinion, all these cuts to the WTC (the spire, 3wtc's height&cross-bracing) are really removing the integrity that this plan originally had.

Why can't we do something? There is nothing from stopping us from trying. A lot of things could be done, even if it is just going to the press about it and explaining that not rebuilding in the best way possible is an insult to the memory of those who were killed here...
We could even put out a fundraiser to raise the ten million. After all, the population of NY is around ten million, and there are sure to be people all across the nation who would give for such a cause.

This may sound like just beating the dead horse, but I am legitimately disappointed (as a lot of you are) about this spire thing and I hope that we won't be stuck with this thing for the rest of our lives.

Picture related: the glory of the original plan... :(

Yeah, you're about a year late to the party. We tried rallying people together, it didn't work. There are a few hundred people at most who are actively following this thing, we're not going to come up with $20 million. Be realistic.

Furthermore, a lot of us like some of the changes. The only one I'm really disappointed about at this point is the change to the plaza immediately around the base of 1WTC. I'm really to the point where I don't care about the radome anymore (the spire as-is actually looks a lot better than I'd hoped), and I prefer the squared-off base more than the original. As for the cross-bracing on 3WTC, I'm glad they ditched that. It made the whole thing too noisy and it stood out too much from the rest of the complex. The new design blends better while still retaining enough bracing along the sides to act as highlights. The original height of 3WTC made it jut out of the spiral too much, the new height preserves the spiral much better.

QUEENSNYMAN

Feb 17, 2013, 4:48 AM

FROM: QUEENSNY121

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InztwgtLKmU&feature=youtu.be

More to come!

Chapelo

Feb 17, 2013, 7:31 AM

Edit: Can someone post it?

Here you go.

noamgalai (http://www.flickr.com/photos/noamg/8479445443/sizes/h/in/photostream/)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8509/8479445443_4df0ff0227_h.jpg

hunser

Feb 17, 2013, 1:22 PM

^ Thanks. And great find NYD, I got a new desktop background.

Bit old (Feb. 12) but I like the cladding here...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8472774634_9e7668c0a9_o.jpg
mik_leach (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_leach/)

NYguy

Feb 17, 2013, 2:33 PM

nader7 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nader7/8478626822/sizes/z/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8478626822_cd927fe0c6_z.jpg

spotwas2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/spotwash/8481180218/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8481180218_067677092b_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8481180218_50e781959e_h.jpg

Glenn Courtney (http://www.flickr.com/photos/specialkfan/8479863921/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8515/8479863921_5889b8b1d1_b.jpg

R36 Coach (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29997762@N05/8480296748/sizes/c/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8480296748_3a01f9ce2b_c.jpg

John Skelson (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnskelson/8478506579/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8527/8478506579_3a8cb74238_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8527/8478506579_398d65fa00_o.jpg

TechTalkGuy

Feb 17, 2013, 2:57 PM

:previous: That massive spire looks pretty tall so far! :tup:

NYguy

Feb 17, 2013, 3:07 PM

I may be coming to the conclusion that they would have been better off with the original antenna. It was just as ugly in it's own way, but fit the tower more.
We'll see what it looks like on completion. I think this one looks too "raw".

Paul Js (http://www.flickr.com/photos/58275086@N07/8481492716/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8481492716_86deaab9fa_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8481492716_9a402b55f1_h.jpg

bryan kelley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryankelley/8476850923/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8091/8476850923_9d3d3c4c94_b.jpg

-Filipe-

Feb 17, 2013, 3:08 PM

i think it would look cool if they put led lights where the vents are lol so at night you would have a nice color show :D and those pics are great!

THE BIG APPLE

Feb 17, 2013, 3:32 PM

^ I think the vents are designed to mimic the original trident facade. Actually I know this to be fact. But that's an ok idea, if logistics comprehend.

PZelda

Feb 17, 2013, 3:47 PM

God, all these pics on about the past 10ish pages or so... ABSOLUTELY SICK. I can't handle them. :slob: Pretty excited about finally seeing it again in person... hopefully most/all of the cladding will be done by then! :tup:

george

Feb 17, 2013, 4:32 PM

I'm lovin' the spire/ antenna, really cool.^

QUEENSNYMAN

Feb 17, 2013, 5:18 PM

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FROM QUEENSNY121

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ttry8VA6Kk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR9VHReVrWg

NYdude

Feb 17, 2013, 5:21 PM

Honestly, I don't think the spire/antenna is terrible. In fact, I kind of like it now... Well it is what it is.

jd3189

Feb 17, 2013, 5:48 PM

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I hate to bring up the debate again, but I just can't help but wonder how tall this tower would really be if either the roof height was higher or the spire was built in the way it was supposed to be. Or, better yet, both of these plus something similar to this.

http://www.searchingtoronto.com/pictures/plog-content/images/toronto-attractions/cn-tower/cn-tower-skypod.jpg

ih8pickingusernames

Feb 17, 2013, 7:11 PM

^^^

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8457281802_aeafefba58_z.jpg

JayPro

Feb 17, 2013, 8:43 PM

IMO Spotwas2012's two pics show the antenna bracing in quite a better light than I thought. It doean't seem to look as spindly as some folks seem to make it want to look like.
It somehow makes me glad that the somewhat bloated radome coating got scrapped. The comparative delicate form here seems to do better justice to the structure's overall appearance.

hunser

Feb 17, 2013, 8:51 PM

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Roadcruiser1

Feb 17, 2013, 9:04 PM

^ I think the vents are designed to mimic the original trident facade. Actually I know this to be fact. But that's an ok idea, if logistics comprehend.

Nope. All skyscrapers have vents to ventilate the mechanical floors. So it's incorrect.

i think it would look cool if they put led lights where the vents are lol so at night you would have a nice color show :D and those pics are great!

I don't think that's possible. I will let Otie try to answer that one.

I hate to bring up the debate again, but I just can't help but wonder how tall this tower would really be if either the roof height was higher or the spire was built in the way it was supposed to be. Or, better yet, both of these plus something similar to this.

http://www.searchingtoronto.com/pictures/plog-content/images/toronto-attractions/cn-tower/cn-tower-skypod.jpg

There is no need for this tower to be any taller. We don't need the tallest building in the world. A majority of the towers that are being built in the world are empty unlike One World Trade Center which will be occupied. So there is no need for this.

^^^

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8457281802_aeafefba58_z.jpg

Not going to happen.

Can all of you please just shut up about the antenna mast issue for once? It's getting annoying and redundant. This building is not even close to being done and it is being judged by you guys. Wait till it's done and then talk about it.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork

Feb 17, 2013, 9:05 PM

^^^

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8457281802_aeafefba58_z.jpg

I've been wondering for months why they didn't do something similar to this.

RobEss

Feb 17, 2013, 9:18 PM

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PMadFlyer

Feb 17, 2013, 10:12 PM

i think it would look cool if they put led lights where the vents are lol so at night you would have a nice color show :D and those pics are great!

Not to worry, the louvre walls behind the glass cladding on the mechanical levels is to be backlit according to renders, and the color of the base and spire is to remain white except for special occasions. It would look cheesy to put multicolored LED lighting in the middle of a building.

THE BIG APPLE

Feb 17, 2013, 10:32 PM

Nope. All skyscrapers have vents to ventilate the mechanical floors. So it's incorrect.

Not going to happen.

Can all of you please just shut up about the antenna mast issue for once? It's getting annoying and redundant. This building is not even close to being done and it is being judged by you guys. Wait till it's done and then talk about it.

No for this building they are specifically designed to mimic the twins as each tower in the new complex does.

And don't say people's opinions don't matter on this thread. It's not allowed.

Hudson11

Feb 17, 2013, 10:36 PM

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TheCap'n

Feb 17, 2013, 10:41 PM

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It's cool to see the entire mirror system in motion. The LED panels will be above and below this piece for anyone wondering.

Thanks for posting!

ih8pickingusernames

Feb 18, 2013, 1:21 AM

That beacon is ginormous! It would be cool if it flashed different colours :D

NYGrail

Feb 18, 2013, 1:51 AM

Daniel Rice's youtube page posted some nice helicopter footage of the spire/antenna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuXm4Ben5fo
iuXm4Ben5fo

chris123678

Feb 18, 2013, 1:59 AM

Nope. All skyscrapers have vents to ventilate the mechanical floors. So it's incorrect.

I don't think that's possible. I will let Otie try to answer that one.

There is no need for this tower to be any taller. We don't need the tallest building in the world. A majority of the towers that are being built in the world are empty unlike One World Trade Center which will be occupied. So there is no need for this.

No need for an attitude. One of the most important aspects of this building is being constructed before our eyes, naturally it's going to bring about discussion.

Not going to happen.

Can all of you please just shut up about the antenna mast issue for once? It's getting annoying and redundant. This building is not even close to being done and it is being judged by you guys. Wait till it's done and then talk about it.

No need for an attitude. One of the most important aspects of this building is being constructed before our eyes, naturally it's going to bring about discussion.

JordanCam

Feb 18, 2013, 3:16 AM

Are they placing something behind the slits in the Mechanical floors or are we going to see right into the beams of those floors?

NYC=WTC

Feb 18, 2013, 5:07 AM

Are they placing something behind the slits in the Mechanical floors or are we going to see right into the beams of those floors?

I was wondering the same thing. What safety measures will keep people from falling out of those mechanical slots? Will there be a safety glass or screen?

Hudson11

Feb 18, 2013, 5:10 AM

only authorized personnel are allowed on mechanical levels and i doubt they're stupid enough to fall out of a slot in the wall

Thaniel

Feb 18, 2013, 6:44 AM

And don't say people's opinions don't matter on this thread. It's not allowed.

So isn't his opinion saying other people's opinions are stupid also not not allowed? lol *mind blown*

eleven=11

Feb 18, 2013, 1:44 PM

only authorized personnel are allowed on mechanical levels and i doubt they're stupid enough to fall out of a slot in the wall

it does look funny , when the sun hits it early or late in the day
wonder if they could light it up at night from inside in diff colors??

the top floors of the observations decks
are they double floors??

PMadFlyer

Feb 18, 2013, 2:14 PM

New One World Trade Center Spire render, this time without shadows and rendered 20 times faster. I added the Permanent platforms.
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for (on-topic) comparison:
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NYguy

Feb 18, 2013, 2:18 PM

I've been wondering for months why they didn't do something similar to this.

They didn't even have to do that much. You know the story about the radome covering was just an excuse to build the antenna as is,
without any type of architectural element. As we know, the original plan was for the spire to be "open". There was no excuse given
for that one because it didn't really matter. Once the Port Authority was on board, they were going to do what they were going to do.

If it wasn't so outrageous, it would almost be comical how out of place and touch this thing is with the rest of the building. The critics
will come hard when this is complete, and I will have to agree. It should have stayed hidden.

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fleonzo

Feb 18, 2013, 2:54 PM

ih8pickingusernames

Feb 18, 2013, 3:06 PM

^^^ It looks like the top of the Ostankino, ugly.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8104/8457659355_13ce24b3ca.jpg

Onn

Feb 18, 2013, 3:11 PM

Daniel Rice's youtube page posted some nice helicopter footage of the spire/antenna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuXm4Ben5fo
iuXm4Ben5fo

Really like this flyby of 1WTC in the morning! Kind of reminds me of a shoot done by AboveAllPhotography over the Sears Tower!

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meh_cd

Feb 18, 2013, 4:47 PM

I agree NYGuy but at this point the best that can be hoped is that it will look "less" out of place once the rings are build. I think that the rings will give the top portion of this building a more industrial look (i.e. mechanical) which is better suited with this spire/antenna! IMHO :uhh:

The biggest offender is going to be the large piece that bumps out near the guy-wire connectors. That delineates the width that the spire would have been with the radome, so it is really going to stand out.