NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[TechTalkGuy]

PMadflyer, your renders are absolutely gorgeous!! Well done!! Too bad the same can't be said about the bare spirtenna!!

It's not too late for a redesign of the spire/antenna. :shrug:

[jd3189]

:previous: That's what I'm saying. Durst is not going to get away with this. BTW, nice renders PMadflyer, and I'm sorry that I posted your renders without permission. Just wanted to clear out the controversy that was about to arise. :tup:

[Silverfox]

forget this post, the question was answered by another user. have this extremely low quality test render based on official renders. only pay attention to the cables in the entrance. I was experimenting with the facade's lighting.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8161/7657167576_300228ce04.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/7657167576/)
One World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/7657167576/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

I have a feeling that despite popular belief, the base isn't going to be as bunker-like as people think. Quite a bit of natural light will be let in from the small windows throughout the base, and the large windows above the doors.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

Nice pics everyone.

[eleven=11]

Wow, thats a lot more than I expected. TY :tup:

glad that earthcam is back and working.

with earthcam and kpi/silver web cams , im still confused...
where is that deck/floor concrete thing with the round hole
Im looking for it , not trying to be stupid.
the video say it is 2012 QTR3 / i thought it was newish
ive looked back through this blog and didnt see it

is it behind onewtc where the webcam cant see it?

[mat97]

glad that earthcam is back and working.

with earthcam and kpi/silver web cams , im still confused...
where is that deck/floor concrete thing with the round hole
Im looking for it , not trying to be stupid.
the video say it is 2012 QTR3 / i thought it was newish
ive looked back through this blog and didnt see it

is it behind onewtc where the webcam cant see it?

There written q3 2012 but not in 2012, it's an old video, it is the est square where the trucks arrive, Do you understand?

[CarlosV]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/7810644630_fa1bb9be6d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810644630/)
DSC_4862 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810644630/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

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:yes:

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7113/7810628446_588dcb3c87_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810628446/)
DSC_4865 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810628446/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[1wtcspiresavor]

It's not too late for a redesign of the spire/antenna. :shrug:

Yea I agree, something can always be added later as well. I am hoping its height is demoted because maybe that will encouraging people to be proactive about the situation ... the 1776 and the tallest in America is apparently a big deal to a lot of people.

[NewYorkDominates]

Amazing WTC video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot5rLxlxtOQ


http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c83.0.403.403/p403x403/418495_512204805463566_726391876_n.jpg
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The picture of 1WTC is from July 17,2012,so it was still missing around 45-50'.

[TechTalkGuy]

Here are some illustrations from Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com):
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/zQ/wtc1-photos-02-0512-lgn.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/pf/wtc1-photos-03-0512-lgn.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/3M/wtc1-photos-04-0512-lgn.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/WY/wtc1-photos-05-0512-lgn.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/tC/wtc1-photos-06-0512-lgn.jpg


http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/01/wtc1-photos-07-0512-lgn.jpg


http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/oG/wtc1-photos-08-0512-lgn.jpg


http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/d9/wtc1-photos-09-0512-lgn.jpg


http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/hj/wtc1-photos-11-0512-lgn.jpg

[mat97]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/7810644630_fa1bb9be6d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810644630/)
DSC_4862 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810644630/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

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:yes:

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7113/7810628446_588dcb3c87_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810628446/)
DSC_4865 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7810628446/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr


Today worked only the crane at north, and took 4 beams very high but not put them, waiting for Monday:yes:

[CarlosV]

Sunrise :)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7814094262_45ab9317c1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7814094262/)
DSC_4872 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7814094262/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[jd3189]

:previous: You can see the sun's reflection on the steel right above the glass. Nice way to start the day.

[mat97]

:previous: You can see the sun's reflection on the steel right above the glass. Nice way to start the day.

:previous:The reflection isn't on the steel but on the new glass inside the floor:yes::tup:

[NewYorkDominates]

Flickr.com
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7109/7812876398_4c970aee14_b.jpg

[QUEENSNYMAN]

Thanks Carlos for another great picture update!

[NewYorkDominates]

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Images by 77 Hudson Luxury Apartments

[chris123678]

Today worked only the crane at north, and took 4 beams very high but not put them, waiting for Monday:yes:

What's on Monday?

[Yackemflaber69]

That was a very awsome video 3 wtc has progessed alot damn

[hunser]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7123/7804516164_21891effa3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyshi/7804516164/)
World Trade Centers Today 8/17/2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyshi/7804516164/) von Tony Shi. (http://www.flickr.com/people/tonyshi/) auf Flickr

[NewYorkDominates]

Milestone of sorts,1WTC is starting to show up in New York Trucks,

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u4wzF8jR1qgbld8.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u51lh8so1qgbld8.jpg

New York’s skyline makes quite an impression on the senses - and on the sides of delivery trucks around the city, which display often quirky depictions of the city’s skyscrapers.

To this day, the Twin Towers of the original World Trade Center survive on many trucks, serving as rolling tributes to the lost complex. The Retrologist has documented the iconographic traces of the twins in posts you can read HERE and HERE.

Yesterday, I saw two trucks that serve as bookends of sorts in the history of the World Trade Center site, and in our popular conception of the skyline.

The one above shows the Twin Towers, and I must say it’s always welcome to see that silhouette in a commonplace, day-to-day context, woven into the pedestrian life of the city.

Below is the second truck, spotted on South William Street, just blocks from the World Trade Center. This one surprised me: It depicts the new One World Trade Center, which remains under construction but is already New York’s tallest building.

You can see it on the left, along with a depiction of the Empire State Building, Citigroup, and even the “Chippendale highboy in the sky,” Philip Johnson’s Sony building, built in the 1980s for AT&T.

Now here’s an idiosyncratic selection of buildings, from one not quite complete to one (Sony) that I’ve never seen depicted in this form — as a true symbol of New York, emblazoned on the side of a truck.

Just a year ago, the new One World Trade Center, originally called the Freedom Tower,  was barely noticable anywhere but downtown.

Today, it can be seen from dozens of miles away and has become, like its predecessors on those 16 acres, an essential part of the skyline. Soon, it will truly feel like an integral part of our collective identity. To think, today’s kids will have never known a city without its twisting, tapering profile.

Now that the silhouette of the new tower has made its way onto the side of a truck, you might say the new World Trade Center has finally arrived. 

http://rolandopujol.tumblr.com/post/29537789383/milestone-of-sorts-the-new-1-wtc-is-starting-to-show

[eleven=11]

i like that new truck , with the new tower
even the spire looks great!!!
the lady liberty looks tiny.

[NYC GUY]

I remember about 2 years ago Kanye West performed in the Thanksgiving day parade on a float with 1WTC and the Empire state building in it.

[jd3189]

This is just the beginning. Soon, when other noticeable supertalls show up, there will be trucks depicting the NYC skyline as a real version of Coruscant. It will be amazing.

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7820488486_836de933d9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/plasticfantasticphotography/7820488486/)
titans of new york; 8/19/2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/plasticfantasticphotography/7820488486/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/plasticfantasticphotography/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8421/7820489984_c61f27ec09_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/plasticfantasticphotography/7820489984/)
one world trade center; 8/19/2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/plasticfantasticphotography/7820489984/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/plasticfantasticphotography/), on Flickr

[mat97]

What's on Monday?

Yesterday they took 4 beams very high but not put them, "maybe" Monday:shrug::shrug:

[Nexis4Jersey]

My World Trade Center pictures from Yesterday

From Jersey City Heights

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7817909264_56344cfdf1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817909264/)
World Trade Center 1 & 4 from Jersey City Heights (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817909264/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

WTC 1 peaking up from Hoboken

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7258/7817908270_d99ff0f201_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817908270/)
024 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817908270/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

From the Jersey City Waterfront

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8422/7817905158_f1d1861344_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817905158/)
036 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817905158/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8298/7817904710_ae6c2e943e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817904710/)
038 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817904710/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8282/7817903356_89ebfe3f7d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817903356/)
World Trade Center 1 & 4 from Jersey City,New Jersey (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817903356/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

From the New Jersey Turnpike

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7817893200_a32ab00711_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817893200/)
055 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817893200/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7817899006_216f5e17ce_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817899006/)
World Trade Center 1 & 4 from The New Jersey Turnpike (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817899006/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8423/7817898656_eca57314be_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817898656/)
World Trade Center 1 & 4 from The New Jersey Turnpike (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817898656/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/7817897790_37544c47ca_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817897790/)
World Trade Center 1 & 4 from The New Jersey Turnpike (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/7817897790/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

[NYguy]

http://www.esquire.com/features/world-trade-center-rebuilding-0912

The Truth About the World Trade Center


http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/YQ/esq-01-wtc-0912-lg-59847551.jpg
Joe Woolhead
Ironworker Mike O'Reilly setting a steel column on the northeast corner of the 102nd floor, with the Empire State Building in the background


August 20, 2012
Scott Raab


The Freedom Tower's force is its 1,368 feet, exactly the same height as the old North Twin Tower. The building's spire — still being assembled in Canada — will lift it to 1,776 feet.......There will be taller towers in the world when this one is finished — the latest fond hope is early 2014 — but they weren't built atop a mass grave. Their perimeter columns were not sunk seven stories below street level, threaded among the tracks of an active commuter railroad. Those other towers were designed and built by men and women working unburdened by the memory of carnage — and by the certain knowledge that their tower will also loom as a thrilling bull's-eye....The Freedom Tower's true daddy is David Childs, the architect who designed it seven years ago, back when he was a lad of sixty-four with a mere three decades of experience as a partner at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, the world's premier corporate architecture firm.

...Spitzer in turn begat Blind David Paterson, who confessed his own philandering one day after his inauguration. And Paterson begat Andrew Cuomo, the current governor. Each had his own political agenda; each appointed a PA executive director of his very own; each viewed the World Trade Center rebuilding — and the Freedom Tower above all — as a redheaded stepchild. As the estimate for completing the tower rose past $3 billion, the PA struck a deal in 2010 with a city real estate developer, the Durst Organization, to help finish, manage, and lease the tower: For $100 million, Durst received a 10 percent equity interest in the building, plus a $15 million management contract that gave Durst 75 percent of any monies saved by cutting construction costs up to $12 million, and a mere 50 percent of every penny cut thereafter.

To nobody's surprise and David Childs's despair, Durst found costs to cut, particularly at the top and bottom of the tower. The prismatic glass chosen to wrap the base of the building was replaced with a cheaper version, requiring that the corners of the tower's first two hundred feet be squared off after those corners had already been tapered to meet the thousand-foot isosceles triangles of the curtain wall. Then Durst took its meat-ax to the tower's 408-foot spire: By simply scrapping the radome —
a sculpted shell of fiberglass and steel designed to sheathe the antennae and maintenance platforms atop the building — shazam! $20 million saved.

Childs learned from a Durst press report that the radome had been whacked, and issued a statement expressing his disappointment and his hope that SOM and the Port could find an alternate design. Durst claimed its radome decision was strictly about maintenance cost and safety, not money. Patrick Foye, current PA executive director, agreed, adding, "What was designed was impractical, unworkable, and quite frankly dangerous."

Considering that SOM has somehow managed to build and create maintenance plans for skyscrapers in many places for many years; and considering that Douglas Durst himself paid to place full-page ads in New York City newspapers in 2007, urging the new governor, Eliot Spitzer, to murder the tower; and considering that without the radome, what was a
spire may be discounted as an antenna mast by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat — the arbiter of building heights — which would mean that the Freedom Tower won't officially stand 1,776 feet tall: Regarding all this, David Childs is mum. Circumspect. Or plain worn-out.

"The simple, pure form — I'm proud of that," he says, and falls silent.



http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/s0/esq-06-wtc-0912-lg-78224188.jpg

The spire of 1 WTC, the feature that will bring the building to 1776 feet, being assembled in Montreal, July.



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145506917/original.jpg


http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/2011/09/images/One-Word-Trade-Center-11.jpg
http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/2011/09/one-world-trade-center.asp

[kpdrummer82]

^^^ That gives me hope that they might just go ahead with the randome/spire idea.

[NYguy]

^^^ That gives me hope that they might just go ahead with the randome/spire idea.

We can always hope. They could use that design without the radome, as it was originally intended (open air).



jag9889 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/7820145976/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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dutchmazz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28346433@N00/7820654698/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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[NewYorkDominates]

^ I'm very confident we're not getting such trash antenna for such a brilliant and elegant building like 1WTC.The skeletal portion of the the what-would-be spire makes sense in my opinion,and it has my vote over the toothpick nonsense.



http://4freedomtower.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/photo-25.jpg
http://4freedomtower.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/soaking-up-the-sight-of-freedom/

[CarlosV]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7138/7823440920_fb21bff33d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7823440920/)
DSC_4882 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7823440920/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[mat97]

New glass at south-est and est for the end of 82th floor!!!:cheers::banana::righton::awesome:

[mat97]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7138/7823440920_fb21bff33d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7823440920/)
DSC_4882 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7823440920/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

:runaway::omg:beautiful

[NewYorkDominates]

Went downtown for the first time in a year.Wow.1WTC is beyond anything I've seen.I mean I've seen taller structures(Taipei 101) and haven't been this awestruck.Definitely my favorite super-tall.Wow,I was lost for words.Pics don't do it justice.


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[Bill Ditnow]

http://www.esquire.com/features/world-trade-center-rebuilding-0912

The Truth About the World Trade Center]

Wow, that is some kick-ass article. Nice to see that once in a while, here and there, honest, straight-from-the-shoulder journalism can still be published. Where have you gone, Hunter Thompson?

The line that sums it all up for me comes early on:

Forget the details for now and focus on a simple fact: The Port and the politicians who run it are pigs.

:worship:

[chris123678]

So this right here is the antenna? Doesn't look half bad.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145506917/original.jpg

[pnapp1]

Wow, that is some kick-ass article. Nice to see that once in a while, here and there, honest, straight-from-the-shoulder journalism can still be published. Where have you gone, Hunter Thompson?

:worship:

100% Agree with you Bill and I usually don't.

Everyone here should read this article.
It's long but well worth your time. It's a fascinating and very informative read. Most of which I already knew about.

The Truth About the World Trade Center
http://www.esquire.com/features/world-trade-center-rebuilding-0912

The best thing that happened to this project was Chris Ward! :tup:

The worst thing that happened was Chris Ward being replaced by Cuomo. :hell:

Ward should have been able and the one to finish the project.

My favorite quote from the article:

But on May 22, another PA executive director took over, picked by Blind David Paterson, Spitzer's successor — and the new PA guy, Chris Ward, did something odd and wonderful right away: He called bullshit, publicly, in detail, on all the prior Ground Zero budgets and timetables, which everyone knew to be bullshit anyway.

By the end of June, Ward had issued a thirty-four-page study outlining the major problems — the PATH hub foremost among them: the PA still didn't have a final design for the Calatrava — and told the governor he'd need three months more to establish realistic schedules and budgets for rebuilding, and created a cross-project governing board to coordinate planning across the whole sixteen acres.

And by so doing, Chris Ward almost rescued the rebuilding.

Almost.

But thanks to Gov. Cuomo not giving a shit about the WTC site and Downtown, Chris Ward did not get the chance to finish what he fixed and started.

[NewYorkDominates]

Bill Ditnow

Wow, that is some kick-ass article. Nice to see that once in a while, here and there, honest, straight-from-the-shoulder journalism can still be published. Where have you gone, Hunter Thompson?

Gonzo Journalism is my favorite style of journalism.Hunter Thompson is definitely missed.

The article is one of the best written concerning WTC and how those "pigs" have caused such a disturbance to a sacred site.


Chris123678

So this right here is the antenna? Doesn't look half bad.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145506917/original.jpg

No,as you can see here:

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/2011/09/images/One-Word-Trade-Center-11.jpg

the the portion of the antenna you see is what the spire would have looked like with out the Radome.

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/2011/09/one-world-trade-center.asp

[hunser]

Such a refreshing article. Good to know there are some journalists out there who know that the American people got robbed and ripped off.

Childs is disinclined, by nature and professional diplomacy, to detail the resulting woe. Long story short: Pataki begat Eliot Spitzer, the Emperors Club VIP's whoremonger, who campaigned and took office harrumphing about killing the tower, changed his mind a month later, and resigned after little more than a year as governor, so foully disgraced by his penis that he recently was forced to seek refuge in Al Gore's wing-nut protection program, Current TV. Spitzer in turn begat Blind David Paterson, who confessed his own philandering one day after his inauguration. And Paterson begat Andrew Cuomo, the current governor.


:haha::haha::haha:

To nobody's surprise and David Childs's despair, Durst found costs to cut


Sad but true. :(

Childs learned from a Durst press report that the radome had been whacked, and issued a statement expressing his disappointment and his hope that SOM and the Port could find an alternate design. Durst claimed its radome decision was strictly about maintenance cost and safety, not money. Patrick Foye, current PA executive director, agreed, adding, "What was designed was impractical, unworkable, and quite frankly dangerous."

Considering that SOM has somehow managed to build and create maintenance plans for skyscrapers in many places for many years; and considering that Douglas Durst himself paid to place full-page ads in New York City newspapers in 2007, urging the new governor, Eliot Spitzer, to murder the tower; and considering that without the radome, what was a spire may be discounted as an antenna mast by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat — the arbiter of building heights — which would mean that the Freedom Tower won't officially stand 1,776 feet tall: Regarding all this, David Childs is mum. Circumspect. Or plain worn-out.


God, that Durst- pig makes me angry... :hell:

[mat97]

Some beams of the latest 14 beams were installed in the north-east!!:banana::notacrook::cheers::righton::thrasher::ohyeah:ohyeah:dancing::upload_71700::awesome:

Update: now north-est and south-west!

[1wtcspiresavor]

So this right here is the antenna? Doesn't look half bad.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145506917/original.jpg

No its the same antenna everyone thinks is crap
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7775366414_2b181a8d32_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7775365096_ed427b54ac_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8447/7775368370_1e5508f19f_b.jpg
http://www.anotherpartofme.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/1wtc_redesign_antenna2.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5798496&postcount=25870
^Notice the top of the antenna fans or spears out (whatever you want to call it) .. that "fan out shape" is a result of what you are seeing on the truck

[Bill Ditnow]

"What was designed was impractical, unworkable, and quite frankly dangerous."

It's hard to imagine why this obvious lie has not been called out in the media and provoked a discussion. We are asked to believe two things: First, That SOM, which has designed buildings all over the world, made a spire (at arguably the most important architectural site in the world) that was dangerous, and, second, that this charge of "dangerous" has nothing to do with the fact that Durst, by discarding the radome, saves a bunch of bucks.

This really amounts to a slander against Childs.

[Bill Ditnow]

IOW, Durst chose to disguise his true motive -- saving money -- by slandering Childs and SOM, charging that they had made a dangerous structure. This is really contemptible. Had he any integrity, he could have just said, "I'm replacing the artistic spire with a cheap toothpick because I care only about making as much money as possible and I don't give a damn about anything else." At least such a statement would have had the virtue of honesty, without slandering SOM and Childs.

[gramsjdg]

IOW, Durst chose to disguise his true motive -- saving money -- by slandering Childs and SOM, charging that they had made a dangerous structure. This is really contemptible. Had he any integrity, he could have just said, "I'm replacing the artistic spire with a cheap toothpick because I care only about making as much money as possible and I don't give a damn about anything else." At least such a statement would have had the virtue of honesty, without slandering SOM and Childs.


It's actually worse than that, because he's not replacing anything- just removing the radome, and like a slap in the face, leaving all the support structures for the radome which now serve absolutely no purpose except to make the antenna even uglier than a normal antenna such as the ones on the Sears Tower or the original WTC-1. :koko:

[NYC GUY]

I still have hope that they can add the radome.

[chris123678]

The antenna doesn't really look half bad based on the picture. But maybe it;s not better than having the enclosure.

[babybackribs2314]

Full update from this weekend:

One World Trade Center August 2012 Update (http://www.yimbynews.com/2012/08/construction-update-one-world-trade.html)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xOM7MiArm_o/UDJpxSSI85I/AAAAAAAAExw/Zdulmsomdzk/s640/20120818_170625.jpg

[NYC GUY]

The antenna doesn't really look half bad based on the picture. But maybe it;s not better than having the enclosure.

I agree it doesn't look that bad but it's not the best. Cause really in a project that's costed billions, 20 million isn't that much.

[nyc_alex]

This whole Durst/antenna thing is amazingly disgusting to even think about.

As I understand it, this change will save $20 million. So the PA will get $5 million of that savings, Durst gets the other $15 million for helping the PA save money.

So for that $5 million saved for the PA, I will, for possibly the rest of my life, have to live with looking at a sub-par design on the most visible thing in the city. It is something I CAN SEE FROM MY BED and wake up to. Millions of people see it on a daily basis.

Fuck you Durst.

[Zapatan]

I agree it doesn't look that bad but it's not the best. Cause really in a project that's costed billions, 20 million isn't that much.

+1

The new antenna looks kind of cool in those last pics, better than nothing at least but it still falls short.

Doesn't the building kind of have to be 1776 feet though? since that's what we've been promised and told for the past decade, they have to figure out something in order to reach the 1776 foot height

[eleven=11]

with or without the radome , the building is perfect.
Im more upset that in 3 weeks its 12 years and
we still have how many more months constuction?
the onewtc is perfect.
the memorial is perfect , lets just finish it.

[chris123678]

with or without the radome , the building is perfect.
Im more upset that in 3 weeks its 12 years and
we still have how many more months constuction?
the onewtc is perfect.
the memorial is perfect , lets just finish it.

Actually 11 years.

[DURKEY427]

I agree with many of you here. the pictures really do not show this building's beauty or the skylines until youv'e seen it in person. this year (Febuary little while back now) was the first time i ever visited New York and it blew me away and when i went to the memorial the power and the peacefulness there was incredible. and then i went on the staten island ferry and saw the skyline and it was one of the most beautiful things i have ever seen and i will never forgot looking out of the back of that ferry.

[NewYorkDominates]

Guys,calm down.It's not going to look like the picture from Canada,except for the top portion.The rest is going to look thin with ugly rings every 50' or so.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7274/7819076872_e7b94f6562_z.jpg
Ses7
Flickr.com

[kpdrummer82]

No its the same antenna everyone thinks is crap
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7775366414_2b181a8d32_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7775365096_ed427b54ac_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8447/7775368370_1e5508f19f_b.jpg
http://www.anotherpartofme.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/1wtc_redesign_antenna2.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5798496&postcount=25870
^Notice the top of the antenna fans or spears out (whatever you want to call it) .. that "fan out shape" is a result of what you are seeing on the truck
That antenna doesn't look nearly as bad now that we can clearly see it's not pencil thin. I believe the mass hysteria coming from the loss of the randome was that the antenna would be an eye-sore but honestly, it's not too shabby. Plus, who looks at an antenna when you can't see the top of the tower from street level...

[jd3189]

:previous: That's not the point. The antenna by itself makes no sense because the radome was integrated into the tower's design. Everyone was robbed of a very modern aspect of the skyline. Removing it just like that and lying about it is the saddest thing to just accept.



Considering that SOM has somehow managed to build and create maintenance plans for skyscrapers in many places for many years; and considering that Douglas Durst himself paid to place full-page ads in New York City newspapers in 2007, urging the new governor, Eliot Spitzer, to murder the tower; and considering that without the radome, what was a spire may be discounted as an antenna mast by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat — the arbiter of building heights — which would mean that the Freedom Tower won't officially stand 1,776 feet tall: Regarding all this, David Childs is mum. Circumspect. Or plain worn-out.

So, let me get this straight.... That bastard was always against this tower? Yeah, this corruption needs to be shown to the public.

[hunser]

:previous: That's not the point. The antenna by itself makes no sense because the radome was integrated into the tower's design. Everyone was robbed of a very modern aspect of the skyline. Removing it just like that and lying about it is the saddest thing to just accept.





So, let me get this straight.... That bastard was always against this tower? Yeah, this corruption needs to be shown to the public.

I think we are on the same level: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5804693&postcount=26040
:D

[Davidsam52]

Andrew Cuomo I think is a good governor, but clearly he made a mistake by removing Chris Ward from the head of the PA.

[hunser]

Andrew Cuomo I think is a good governor, but clearly he made a mistake by removing Chris Ward from the head of the PA.

That's like saying "he's a good pilot but due to his incompetence the plane crashed" lol. Let's be honest, Cuomo is right there- in the middle of the pig party.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7820145976_0b19fb4951_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/7820145976/)
Southern Tip Skyline, Manhattan, New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/7820145976/) von jag9889 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jag9889/) auf Flickr

[mheadroom]

Andrew Cuomo I think is a good governor, but clearly he made a mistake by removing Chris Ward from the head of the PA.

The funny thing about the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is that Andrew Cuomo doesn't run it. Instead, both governors from both states pick 6 board members each who then pick an executive director.

What you're probably thinking about is the notoriously difficult working relationship Ward and Cuomo had. Ward resigned because he hated working with Cuomo but that doesn't mean Cuomo fired him.

[Bill Ditnow]

This whole Durst/antenna thing is amazingly disgusting to even think about.

As I understand it, this change will save $20 million. So the PA will get $5 million of that savings, Durst gets the other $15 million for helping the PA save money.

So for that $5 million saved for the PA, I will, for possibly the rest of my life, have to live with looking at a sub-par design on the most visible thing in the city. It is something I CAN SEE FROM MY BED and wake up to. Millions of people see it on a daily basis.

Fuck you Durst.

While I understand your feelings, maybe you ought to take a bit more expansive view of matters.

Every day, you get to wake up and see, from your bed, Lower Manhattan.

How many people can say that?

How many people in the world wake up and see, oh, I don't know, rocks? How many people wake up and see another day of trying to eke out a living in some arid land, or trying not to get shot by some crazed militants, or ... etc. etc.

I think the take-home point here is, "count your blessings."

[Enigmatism415]

So close! Once the two spandrels on either side of the north corner node, and the two on either side of the south corner node, are placed... 1WTC will be topped out!

[kpdrummer82]

That's like saying "he's a good pilot but due to his incompetence the plane crashed" lol. Let's be honest, Cuomo is right there- in the middle of the pig party.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7820145976_0b19fb4951_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/7820145976/)
Southern Tip Skyline, Manhattan, New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/7820145976/) von jag9889 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jag9889/) auf Flickr
not really the best forum to go ahead and say quirky lines about planes crashing, ya think?

[CarlosV]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8447/7827183356_776e9c21a7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7827183356/)
DSC_4885 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7827183356/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[Davidsam52]

The funny thing about the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is that Andrew Cuomo doesn't run it. Instead, both governors from both states pick 6 board members each who then pick an executive director.

What you're probably thinking about is the notoriously difficult working relationship Ward and Cuomo had. Ward resigned because he hated working with Cuomo but that doesn't mean Cuomo fired him.

Well either way, this project after being a huge mess early on was humming along very nicely under Chris Ward's direction. When he left, everything began to go to pot again.:slob:

[NYguy]

No its the same antenna everyone thinks is crap


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7775365096_ed427b54ac_b.jpg
^Notice the top of the antenna fans or spears out (whatever you want to call it) .. that "fan out shape" is a result of what you are seeing on the truck

Looks even more ridiculous at the top of the antenna. Why they wouldn't just go ahead and build the whole thing without the radome is beyond me. The entire point of not building the spire was supposedly because of the radome.



The funny thing about the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is that Andrew Cuomo doesn't run it. Instead, both governors from both states pick 6 board members each who then pick an executive director. What you're probably thinking about is the notoriously difficult working relationship Ward and Cuomo had. Ward resigned because he hated working with Cuomo but that doesn't mean Cuomo fired him.

Both the board and directors are "puppets" of the governors, who pull the strings. That's how governor Pataki wielded so much power over the Freedoom Tower and its construction when he was in office. While both states must approve PA business, one side rarely interferes with action on the other side. Ward, who was appointed by Gov Patterson, left before there was a chance of him being pushed out.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ward_cleaver_andy_set_to_ax_pa_boss_ZQZDRkbZOXLYsdR9WTWLHO


Gov. Cuomo is planning to boot the Port Authority executive director -- who's widely credited with getting construction at the World Trade Center back on track after years of delays -- following the 10-year anniversary of 9/11, The Post has learned. Christopher Ward -- a Gov. Paterson appointee whose string of successes includes the recent $1.9 billion deal to bring Conde Nast to 1 World Trade Center -- never managed to develop a rapport with Cuomo, multiple sources told The Post.

That wasn't quite the case...


http://observer.com/2011/06/ward-boss-he-resurrected-ground-zero-but-can-chris-ward-save-himself/

The agency’s executive director is a gubernatorial appointee, and the prevailing assumption since Mr. Cuomo’s election has been that—regardless of Mr. Ward’s success—his days were numbered. That assumption finally found its way into print last month when the New York Post reported—according to unnamed Port Authority and administration sources—that Mr. Ward would be dismissed shortly after the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. "There are no plans to replace him at this time,” Cuomo spokesman Josh Vlasto told The Observer.



http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2011/10/3776584/cuomo-chips-away-chris-wards-pedestal-leaking-news-audit-bloomberg-

“A source close to the Cuomo administration” told Dicker that the an audit reveals Ward engaged in “extravagant overspending” in order "to step up the rebuilding" of the site for the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. “There is no doubt Ward got a lot of the construction going, and that he has a network of people he’s pleased as a result, but at what cost?” the source told Dicker. “But you can’t credit Ward with accelerating the construction without holding him liable for the bill. The economics of this are going to be terrible for New York for decades to come as the bills keep coming in.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/nyregion/port-authoritys-director-christopher-ward-is-said-to-be-leaving.html

Mr. Ward’s departure is planned for the end of October. It will create a formidable challenge for Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, who must now appoint a new chief for two of the most influential agencies under his purview: the chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, Jay H. Walder, also plans to leave next month, having announced his resignation in July. It is not unusual for new governors to replace the head of a powerful agency like the Port Authority, and Mr. Ward’s decision to resign had been widely predicted in municipal circles for months. Mr. Ward, who earned $304,922 last year as the authority’s highest-paid employee, declined on Wednesday to be interviewed for this article.

Say what you want about Ward, he did get things moving again, and we saw more real progress at the site.



agreatbigcity (http://www.flickr.com/photos/agreatbigcity/7818723148/sizes/z/in/photostream/)

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Mitch Waxman (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mitchwaxman/7813447528/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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[1wtcspiresavor]

That antenna doesn't look nearly as bad now that we can clearly see it's not pencil thin. I believe the mass hysteria coming from the loss of the randome was that the antenna would be an eye-sore but honestly, it's not too shabby. Plus, who looks at an antenna when you can't see the top of the tower from street level...

I think you are confused! No IT IS the same antenna that everyone was upset about and it is still pencil thin like most people are claiming ... nothing was changed with the antenna design since the radome was scraped. Let me go further and say ... nothing was changed with the spire design except the radome being scrapped! Hopefully now we are on the same page.
Looks even more ridiculous at the top of the antenna. Why they wouldn't just go ahead and build the whole thing without the radome is beyond me. The entire point of not building the spire was supposedly because of the radome.

I agree it does look ridiculous and I have no idea why they wouldn't carry through with what you suggest ... it is beyond me! I guess they are doing a "form follows function policy" and even though I am an engineer, I do not agree with incorporating that philosophy on a building that is supposed to be an aesthetic symbol. I don't know how to describe it but I guess the inconsistency in the antenna top makes it look very ridiculous!

[NewYorkDominates]

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1770/12ssftdgr1.jpg
WiredNY

This spire Radome "problem" was a lie by Durst.As can be seen:why did they also take away the outer skeletal portion of the spire?I know for sure it wasn't for the "weather-related problems" it would cause for the maintenance workers.It was robbery.It was robbery to America's grandest and greatest monument for Americas's future-yet Durst "hacks" one of the most important aesthetic features of this monumental tower.

I was never into this debate,but the more you notice and read about Durst's past,present and future,the more you notice and see their crime in pure daylight

[Silverfox]

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1770/12ssftdgr1.jpg
WiredNY

This spire Radome "problem" was a lie by Durst.As can be seen:why did they also take away the outer skeletal portion of the spire?I know for sure it wasn't for the "weather-related problems" it would cause for the maintenance workers.It was robbery.It was robbery to America's grandest and greatest monument for Americas's future-yet Durst "hacks" one of the most important aesthetic features of this monumental tower.

I was never into this debate,but the more you notice and read about Durst's past,present and future,the more you notice and see their crime in pure daylight

It runs in the family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Durst

[eleven=11]

Is that wiki stuff true about DirtBag?
kinda funny , almost like somebody made it up.

I think ONE WTC is perfect.
but I'll take either spire...
the first one was good...
the new one was ok...
with good lighting either one is ok

[Roadcruiser1]

The World Trade Center site is now so tied into politics that I think it's better to not have the World Trade Center at all in the first place. It's turning into one bitter argument over another. Not even the original World Trade Center was decided by politics and now the new one is? Ridiculous.

[YankeesfaninUT]

I think you are confused! No IT IS the same antenna that everyone was upset about and it is still pencil thin like most people are claiming ... nothing was changed with the antenna design since the radome was scraped. Let me go further and say ... nothing was changed with the spire design except the radome being scrapped! Hopefully now we are on the same page.

I agree it does look ridiculous and I have no idea why they wouldn't carry through with what you suggest ... it is beyond me! I guess they are doing a "form follows function policy" and even though I am an engineer, I do not agree with incorporating that philosophy on a building that is supposed to be an aesthetic symbol. I don't know how to describe it but I guess the inconsistency in the antenna top makes it look very ridiculous!

I have a question for you. Are you the spire savior or saver? Because if you are the spiresavor it would mean you enjoy the taste of the spire. Did we flunk the first grade spelling test? And you dont make sense either. You start attacking this guy saying he is confused yet he never said what you are accusing him of. All he said was that the spire didn't look as bad as everyone said. Everything looks a little smaller when it's that high in the sky. You are entitled to your opinion as other's are entitled to their's. I personally think it wont be that bad.

[NYguy]

Everything looks a little smaller when it's that high in the sky. I personally think it wont be that bad.

That's great to know. In fact, had we not seen the spire as it was intended, there would probably be less people who dislike it now. However, we have seen what was intended. And what we have now is a disgraceful "robbery" of this tower's crowning monument. It's the antenna laid bare. That's all it really is. And there's a very good reason it wasn't designed like that in the first place.



In other matters, I didn't pay that much attention to the observatory in the renderings...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/145526324/original.jpg

[Fluffybagel]

What Durst does on his free time :babyeat:

[mat97]

New row of glass!! 83rd floor!!!:banana::dancing::pepper::banaride::awesome::dancingtaco:dancingbacon:cucumber:

[NewYorkDominates]

NYGuy
In other matters, I didn't pay that much attention to the observatory in the renderings...

The floor to ceiling height is crazy.Twenty-three feet tall per floor?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7827428742_a6cdebc70d_z.jpg
WRBphotograph
Flickr.com


New Glass
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/images/smilies/banaride.gifhttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/images/smilies/banaride.gif

[1wtcspiresavor]

I have a question for you. Are you the spire savior or saver? Because if you are the spiresavor it would mean you enjoy the taste of the spire. Did we flunk the first grade spelling test? And you dont make sense either. You start attacking this guy saying he is confused yet he never said what you are accusing him of. All he said was that the spire didn't look as bad as everyone said. Everything looks a little smaller when it's that high in the sky. You are entitled to your opinion as other's are entitled to their's. I personally think it wont be that bad.

Glad you picked up on my pun! I wasn't attacking him, I was explaining to him that the design has not changed and it is still pencil thin. What he is seeing on the truck (The top of the antenna) is much thicker than the rest of the antenna so if he is using that to gauge whether or not it will look pencil thin then he is incorrect in his assessment. Nothing further to say!
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7775365096_ed427b54ac_b.jpg
^posted again for reference~!

[pnapp1]

I decided to take a trip around Manhattan on my boat on Saturday. Here are a couple of photos. Since this was a spur-of-the-moment trip I only had my iPhone with me.

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_2012-08-18_p1.JPG

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_2012-08-18_p2.JPG

[NewYorkDominates]

Are you sure those are iPhone?Amazing quality

[TechTalkGuy]

Are you sure those are iPhone?Amazing quality

I admit that my iPhone replaced my previous Canon camera.
This is now the only portable camera I use.

Oh heck, I even made my own tripod mount with supplies from Home Depot.

BTW, I agree that pnapp1 did an outstanding job !!
It's outstanding photos like these that make this forum special. :tup:

[pnapp1]

Are you sure those are iPhone?Amazing quality

iPhone 4s has a very capable camera. But I was pissed at myself for not having my Canon T3i with me.

BTW...Thanks Fish!

[NYguy]

The floor to ceiling height is crazy.Twenty-three feet tall per floor?


Don't know, I'll just be glad when it opens.



Kimmyman (http://www.flickr.com/photos/object_in_view/7827657356/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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ty law (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterlaw/7828360364/sizes/h/in/photostream/)

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[CarlosV]

more glass panels!! :yes: :banana:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8428/7831748358_ac365ef4f4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7831748358/)
DSC_4884 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7831748358/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[RockMont]

What floor is that red arrow pointing at?

[CarlosV]

I could be wrong but I think is 83

[mat97]

:previous:You're right, 83rd floor.:yes:

[mat97]

Do you know why the glass is slower of before?:shrug:

[uaarkson]

Not even the original World Trade Center was decided by politics and now the new one is? Ridiculous.

lol WHAT?

[sw5710]

They have just about completed the top row of spandrel beams for the parapet.

[eleven=11]

They have just about completed the top row of spandrel beams for the parapet.

Im not sure what a spandrel beam is....
parapet i get is the top piece of the building

my fav thing of the ONE WTC is
im not sure of the word
but the angle of the triangles
the vertical lines that angle up and down the sides
is there a name for that
just asking because thats my fav thing

it really stands out from far away pics
makes all the other buildings seem normal

[deepen915]

more glass panels!! :yes: :banana:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8428/7831748358_ac365ef4f4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7831748358/)
dsc_4884 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7831748358/) by ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on flickr

yes :d

[deepen915]

i'm prob headed to the city later today.. i'll try to get some close-ups ;)

[justmehere]

Im not sure what a spandrel beam is....
parapet i get is the top piece of the building

my fav thing of the ONE WTC is
im not sure of the word
but the angle of the triangles
the vertical lines that angle up and down the sides
is there a name for that
just asking because thats my fav thing

it really stands out from far away pics
makes all the other buildings seem normal

they are called diagonal braces. and spandrel beam i believe is another name for perimeter beam which is the outside beam.

[sw5710]

Yes the spandrel beams are the perimeter beams you see on the parapet. Speaking of the parapet. Carlos can you take a close in shot of the roof area. THANKS

[chris123678]

If base glass is going to be installed in October, why haven't they started to square the base off?

Delays again, i guess.

[dar124]

If base glass is going to be installed in October, why haven't they started to square the base off?

Delays again, i guess.


The base isnt going to be squared off?? Thought it's going to taper in towards the bottom??

[MrSlippery519]

If base glass is going to be installed in October, why haven't they started to square the base off?

Delays again, i guess.

They have been doing a bunch of work as the base this past week, there are 4 or 5 lifts you can see on the cams.

We have no idea what is involved in squaring off the base, maybe it's going to be a simple steel type structure that will essentially block off access and come straight down from the corners. Something like that would not take long to install and we are still 7 weeks until the start of October so a lot could happen in that time.

[Duck From NY]

Sorry if I didn't notice an explanation before, but why are the corners of the base no longer turned inward? Safety? Cost?

[Enigmatism415]

They have just about completed the top row of spandrel beams for the parapet.

Do you have pictures?

I took these yesterday afternoon:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/Enigmatism415/4parbeam.jpg