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[Plokoon11]

New steel already? Holy cow!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

that last tower pic wasnt from today was it?

[Pbellamy]

that last tower pic wasnt from today was it?

No that's a day or two old

This is more recent.

http://gallery.me.com/petebellamy/101479/IMGP0623/web.jpg?ver=12832173290001

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

alright i thought so,thnx

[Zensteeldude]

Great pics Pbellamy, they really show that Ironworkers really earn there money !



Are they going to reopen Greenwhich street? and is there going to be a LIRR running to the WTC from JFK?


First question, yes. They are going to spent about $346 million to restore Greenwich Street, in fact towers 2, 3 and 4 will have Greenwich Street addresses. A direct WTC to JFK rail conection is not in the works at this time.

New steel already? Holy cow!

If not for the concrete and OSHA rules they could throw up ten floors a month. (OSHA rules state that the steel erection can not be more than three floors above the nearest decked out floor.)

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/2Q2010_Report.pdf

Page 3 is very interesting.

[NYguy]

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I hope you all enjoyed the view of the Barclay Vesey this past decade. It will now fade back into the backgroun.

[Domamania]

well in about 2 months it will

[NYguy]

^ It's already lost in many views of the FT as it continues to rise.


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[colemonkee]

Ha! Speaking of Barclay-Vesey, it looks like those first two shots were taken from the top floors.

[CoolCzech]

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I realize that pedestrian footbridge is strictly temporary... but it's actually pretty cool.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

what are they going to replace the bridge with? i wish they would just build something like the Tribeca bridge a few blocks away...

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[BStyles]

They're replacing it with the underpass, the East-West Connector.

[NYguy]

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/rivalries-rev-up

One World Trade Center vs. 11 Times Square

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SJP Properties' new office building in Midtown, 11 Times Square, is currently "the only significant block of brand-new Class A office space available," according to Real Capital Analytics' Fasulo. Law firm Proskauer Rose recently signed a 406,000-square-foot lease there, but the 1 million-square-foot building has some 500,000 square feet of space still up for grabs.

While leasing a new building in the current market has its challenges, it's also "a pretty enviable position to be in," to have no other identical product currently on the market, Fasulo said.

But One World Trade Center -- the centerpiece tower under construction at Ground Zero -- is starting to rain on 11 Times Square's parade. When it's completed in 2013, One World Trade Center will contain about 2.6 million square feet of office space. Publishing giant Condé Nast recently signed a letter of intent to occupy 1 million square feet there.

Meanwhile, the two buildings, the biggest new development office towers in Manhattan right now, are competing for tenants like Bank of America, which is reportedly looking for 1 million feet of space, UBS, and Bank of New York Mellon. "All these major corporations really desire 21st-century office space," Fasulo said. He noted that 11 Times Square is now move-in-ready, which may give it an edge over One World Trade Center for tenants ready to move now.

An advantage for One World Trade Center is that while both towers are asking about $70 per foot, the downtown skyscraper can get net effective rents down to the high $50s because of government incentives, sources explained.

Another competitor for One World Trade Center is Vornado's recently approved 15 Penn Plaza. Vornado has said it will not begin construction on the building until it finds an anchor tenant.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

im sure the banks just might want the WTC over a times square setting.

[Bucktown718]

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[37TimPPG]

im sure the banks just might want the WTC over a times square setting.

With its proximity to Wall Street, 1WTC will have quite an advantage over Times Square. What Bank in its right mind would want to be in the Zoo-like setting that is Times Square compared with the Financial Center of Lower Manhattan? (At least that is my opinion)

This is just an exciting time to be following this project. It seems like every day/every other day there is a positive development and a positive story in the media about the World Trace Center site. A welcome development, indeed...:D

[uakoops]

What's with those exit stairs (wrapped in blue) that end 100 feet above the ground? Are you supposed to jump when you get to the bottom?

[37TimPPG]

Apologies if this information is already out there, but I am curious and have a question to ask: At what Wind speed is all Construction/Tower Crane operations at 1WTC/WTC Site halted? With Hurricane Earl scheduled to zip up the East Coast in a couple days I was just curious as to the wind speed has to be reached to bring operations to a screeching halt?

Hope it isn't as bad as some forecasters are predicting. Last thing needed is any wind damage or structural damage to the site. Thanks again!

[patriotizzy]

I have a suggestion to make. Can someone upload a picture with a side by side comparison of the 1WTC in construction and its rendering? I really want to see how it compares. Thanks :)

[philvia]

I have a suggestion to make. Can someone upload a picture with a side by side comparison of the 1WTC in construction and its rendering? I really want to see how it compares. Thanks :)

less than 10 pages ago two examples were shown comparing the render with construction.




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[Zensteeldude]

Apologies if this information is already out there, but I am curious and have a question to ask: At what Wind speed is all Construction/Tower Crane operations at 1WTC/WTC Site halted? With Hurricane Earl scheduled to zip up the East Coast in a couple days I was just curious as to the wind speed has to be reached to bring operations to a screeching halt?

Hope it isn't as bad as some forecasters are predicting. Last thing needed is any wind damage or structural damage to the site. Thanks again!

Most construction equipment is rated safe in up to 40mph winds. But not all construction activity is safe to do at 39mph. Some cranes are rated as low as 25mph.

The buildings should be fine, the tower cranes can actually be lowered and there booms lowered and secured to the structure. The Manitowac 16000 and 18000 can also lower there booms.

[Domamania]

Most construction equipment is rated safe in up to 40mph winds. But not all construction activity is safe to do at 39mph. Some cranes are rated as low as 25mph.

Zen your absolutly right. i must say your one of the smartest ppl i know and very well informed on the construction of tower 1v2 and the whole wtc site.

[37TimPPG]

Most construction equipment is rated safe in up to 40mph winds. But not all construction activity is safe to do at 39mph. Some cranes are rated as low as 25mph.

The buildings should be fine, the tower cranes can actually be lowered and there booms lowered and secured to the structure. The Manitowac 16000 and 18000 can also lower there booms.

Thanks for the Info, Zen!:cheers:

[Dac150]

im sure the banks just might want the WTC over a times square setting.

The novelty of a bank being housed near the street is not necessarily alone a selling factor. If you look closely at trends over the last few decades you’ll notice that many banking institutions and traditional Wall Street firms have shifted towards Midtown offices.

A few notables include Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley (HQ’d in Times Square), Bear Stearns, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Oppenheimer, Blackstone, Smith Barney, etc.

What that shows is that these firms will migrate where they can get value in space for their operations. I personally don’t see a financial with trading needs moving into 1 WTC, but rather 2 or 3 WTC as those buildings are designed to accommodate financial institutions.

[NYguy]

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[Domamania]

is it me or this building is looking taller in real life then in its renderings.

[JACKinBeantown]

Maybe, but then again all the buildings around it look taller in real life at street level and in the photos above than in the renderings too. I think it's because the POV of the rendering above is at about 900' high, whereas the photos are from much lower (and of course street level is much lower), so you're looking up at the structure and the perspective makes it seem taller.

[NYguy]

is it me or this building is looking taller in real life then in its renderings.

I don't think a lot of people have truly grasped the scale of what's being built at the site, and won't really until the towers top out. After nearly a decade of staring at an empty site, people have forgotten just how much taller the towers were than everything around them. The new complex will double the number of towers taller than everything Downtown, with 3 supertalls, and one very near supertall. Add to that 30 Park Place, and what has recently been considered a "flat" skyline will suddenly become a very impressive one.


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[NYC4Life]

is it me or this building is looking taller in real life then in its renderings.

Only when the building tops out will we get our earliest true feel of how tall and massive this tower will become. Of course, it has to be seen in person to really appreciate that scale. Photograhs are always a tease.

[bkraig4life]

I cant remember which forum I read in a couple months back, but I thought the netting was to cover 16 floors, we're now at 16, so will it start moving as well next?

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

:previous: Lovely images NYGuy. I loved to see that one rising, every day.

Some information from the PA's 2Q 2010 report about One WTC: (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/2Q2010_Report.pdf)

One World Trade Center
- Metal Decking to 27th Floor – Complete
This represents the metal decking on the 27th floor slab, which is approximately
270 feet above street level. Concrete slab work begins immediately following the
welding and approval of the deck. Currently metal decking has been placed to the
30th floor level.

- Steel Erection to 32nd Floor – Incomplete
Steel erection reached the 28th floor prior to the end of the second quarter and is
currently at the 36th floor. This delay has not altered the ultimate completion date
of One World Trade Center because of built-in float to the erection schedule.
Both the concrete and steel contractors continue to reduce their cycle time for
floor construction and are targeting to reduce it further to achieve a sustainable
production rhythm. Furthermore, the steel contractor has developed a plan to use
temporary structural steel to enable the “gap” between the concrete and steel to
increase from 8 to 10 floors, which will help speed steel erection because the steel
contractor will not need to wait as long for the concrete contractor to “catch up.”
This process will provide more distance between contractors work effort and
facilitate a further reduction in cycle time.

- Start Spray Fireproofing – Incomplete
Although incomplete by the last day of June, the spray on fireproofer began work
shortly after the 4th of July holiday. The spray on fireproofing work will continue
up the building behind the steel erection and deck installation. Starting this work
in early July has no negative impact on the building’s critical path schedule.

[Zensteeldude]

I guess Earl decided to head to Cape Cod tomorrow.

WTC forcast.

1/4 of an inch of rain and wind gusts up to 20mph.

[Onn]

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[NYguy]

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[Dac150]

^^^ Is that yet more new steel or an older pic?

[Onn]

^^^ Is that yet more new steel or an older pic?

Older steel, those floors are getting decked out right now.

[YSL]

Does anyone know how long it will take them to put up the spire of this building after its built to the roof? I wonder if it will come immediately?

Will the spire be waiting in a storage somewhere and craned up or will it be physically built on the top of the tower?

[Draegen]

Does anyone know how long it will take them to put up the spire of this building after its built to the roof? I wonder if it will come immediately?

Will the spire be waiting in a storage somewhere and craned up or will it be physically built on the top of the tower?
I don't really know anything about this building or spires but im pretty sure it will be physically built

[NY-rob-NY]

when they started with the fasade(glas)?:shrug:

[NYguy]

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[JACKinBeantown]

From the Beekman thread. This really cool photo looks a few weeks old, but you can see 1WTC starting to peek up on the far right.

another great shot by andrew mace, flickr:

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[NYguy]

Older shot, but you can clearly see that the new WTC will be the hub of Downtown...

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[CoolCzech]

From the Beekman thread. This really cool photo looks a few weeks old, but you can see 1WTC starting to peek up on the far right.

It's striking how prominent the Beekman can seem from one angle (like from across the Brooklyn Bridge), and not so much from another.

[RKOwens44]

It looks like 4WFC's copper roof is finally starting to gets its first shades of green in! Only 20 or so years after its big brothers. Our little 4WFC is becoming a man!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Does anyone know how long it will take them to put up the spire of this building after its built to the roof? I wonder if it will come immediately?

Will the spire be waiting in a storage somewhere and craned up or will it be physically built on the top of the tower?

i believe that the spire will be prefabricated and then hoisted to the top when the tower tops out,but id as Zen just to make sure.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

Now the tower becomes a real part of the Downtown Skyline!

[sterlippo1]

just sitting at work with nothing to do i thought i'd start to look at the pictures when this thread started in january 2007. of course i couldnt look at every page but looked at many. i then started to look at every 50 then starting in 2010 every 10 or so and the progress on the site in 2010 alone is mind-blowing and so uplifting:cheers: can't wait to get back there in a couple of weeks:banana:

[winlinmac001]

Yes! Now that stupid Earl is out of the picture we can safely resume construction. :banana: :tup: :cheers: :notacrook:
:whip: :whip: :whip:
The progress is coming along very well now.

[hunser]

Now the tower becomes a real part of the Downtown Skyline!

yeah, i'm pretty sure many tourists passing by wonder about the progress being made. and every day anew 1WTC becomes even more prominent. soon, it will be a major tourist attraction. :)

[NYCLuver]

It looks like 4WFC's copper roof is finally starting to gets its first shades of green in! Only 20 or so years after its big brothers. Our little 4WFC is becoming a man!

:jester: :jester: :jester:

[gramsjdg]

Just a question: The port authority website says the observation deck will be at levels 100 and 101, with the "skyline" restaurant on 102. I assume then that floor 100 is at 1265 ft. What elevation would the restaurant be at? I would think close to 1300 ft.

[StoOgE]

Just a question: The port authority website says the observation deck will be at levels 100 and 101, with the "skyline" restaurant on 102. I assume then that floor 100 is at 1265 ft. What elevation would the restaurant be at? I would think close to 1300 ft.

I'm curious about that too. And will the restaurant have any open air or will it all be enclosed?

[RobertWalpole]

Older shot, but you can clearly see that the new WTC will be the hub of Downtown...

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Goldman is nice!

[meh_cd]

I'm curious about that too. And will the restaurant have any open air or will it all be enclosed?

You can hope for some kind of open air screened-in area like the John Hancock Center in Chicago, but I'm sure it will be closed.

What was is no more. Such is life.

[Zensteeldude]

Does anyone know how long it will take them to put up the spire of this building after its built to the roof? I wonder if it will come immediately?

Will the spire be waiting in a storage somewhere and craned up or will it be physically built on the top of the tower?

The current design for the spire calls for 20 foot high chunks to be hoisted and bolted into place. In the interest of cost it wont be fabricated until just before they are ready for it. (Like the steel for the rest of the building.)

Why not make it in bigger pieces ? Because the tower cranes can't lift them. The spire will weigh about a ton per foot.

[Zensteeldude]

Just a question: The port authority website says the observation deck will be at levels 100 and 101, with the "skyline" restaurant on 102. I assume then that floor 100 is at 1265 ft. What elevation would the restaurant be at? I would think close to 1300 ft.

That info does not jive with the prints. the Restarant is on floors 100 (1,240 feet) and 101 (1,253' 4"), the observation deck is on 102 and 102M. (1,266' 8" & 1,279' 10")

I'm curious about that too. And will the restaurant have any open air or will it all be enclosed?

It will be compleatly enclosed, as well the observation deck.

[Onn]

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[sw5710]

Has there ever been a 100 + story building built this solid.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

today

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[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

today

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[NYguy]

The current design for the spire calls for 20 foot high chunks to be hoisted and bolted into place. In the interest of cost it wont be fabricated until just before they are ready for it. (Like the steel for the rest of the building.)

Why not make it in bigger pieces ? Because the tower cranes can't lift them. The spire will weigh about a ton per foot.

Yeah, this will be a massive spire/mast. I don't think people are grasping that just yet.

[M II A II R II K]

FOX NEWS to Launch Year Long World Trade Center Series


http://www.suite101.com/content/fox-news-to-launch-year-long-world-trade-center-series-a282376


- FOX NEWS will take the viewer behind the fence to witness the progress of the construction for themselves. Viewers can also follow the developments on FOX’s website. A visit to Ground Zero’s sixteen acres can leave one wondering why the sacred spot is still scarred and seemingly barren.

[PhxPavilion]

Yeah, this will be a massive spire/mast. I don't think people are grasping that just yet.

Oh we grasp it, all 403' of it.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

@SkyscrapersOfNewYork: Lovely images, the tower is so pretty! Thanks for taking all the images. I collect all of them.

[NYguy]

Oh we grasp it, all 403' of it.

Not just speaking the length of it, which will be a little more than 403'. Think more in terms of the Empire State's mast and less in terms of recent spires like the Times, Bofa, or Trump Tower Chicago.

[wong21fr]

The New York Times has an awesome slideshow of the WTC site with some pretty nice behind the scenes shots:

Tangible Progress at the World Trade Center (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/09/05/nyregion/20100905-Zer0-SS.html?ref=nyregion)

[gttx]

The New York Times has an awesome slideshow of the WTC site with some pretty nice behind the scenes shots:

Tangible Progress at the World Trade Center (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/09/05/nyregion/20100905-Zer0-SS.html?ref=nyregion)

Nice article - but what is with the total omission of Silverstein? It basically said, "the Port Authority is doing a great job doing everything, aren't they?"

I'm sure we all have different opinions about the PA, but seriously - their stubbornness and power grabbing with this project has been a big part of the delays.

[Onn]

I yield the floor.

[M II A II R II K]

World Trade Center Complex Is Rising Rapidly


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/nyregion/05zero.html?_r=2&hp

The pace of construction is so swift that any status report these days gets overtaken rapidly by the arrival of new beams and columns, rebar and concrete, pipes and conduit. About 2,000 construction workers are on the job, weekends included, officials said, and that number will just keep rising. Visiting the site brings to mind the tumultuous first impressions of arrival in New York City: people, vehicles and objects are headed toward you from every direction at startling velocity, and the only prudent thing to do is to keep moving.

[NYCLuver]

September 4th, 2010

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[Don098]

Nice article - but what is with the total omission of Silverstein? It basically said, "the Port Authority is doing a great job doing everything, aren't they?"

I'm sure we all have different opinions about the PA, but seriously - their stubbornness and power grabbing with this project has been a big part of the delays.

I really don't understand how you perceived the article to be praising the Port Authority. From the article:

"Two years ago, it was difficult to imagine how the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site of the trade center and is building most of it, could ever finish the eight-acre memorial in time for the 10th anniversary of the attack, on Sept. 11, 2011. [PA in NEGATIVE LIGHT]

...

"So many conflicting demands were imposed on the site — it was to be a solemn memorial, a soaring commercial complex, a vital transportation hub, a vibrant retail destination and the keystone in Lower Manhattan’s revival — that none could advance. [PA and politics at large, yet again NEGATIVE]

... and finally ...

"In 2008, prodded in part by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, who heads the memorial foundation, the Port Authority adopted new schedules, approaches and construction techniques." [PA had to be pushed, NEGATIVE ONCE AGAIN]

The article only praises the work post-2008, and it accomplishes this precisely by illustrating how BADLY the PA was run before. Read more carefully next time.

[brian.odonnell20]

he's talking about the fact that they don't even mention silverstein in any of the comments....

[NYguy]

Well, I don't care about any of that. We all know that the entire site is active now, and two towers are now above street level. The media has been catching up as well, as will eventually those who like to talk of long "delays" and "inactivity" at the site, blah, blah, blah.

Back to the topic at hand:


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[CoolCzech]

Not just speaking the length of it, which will be a little more than 403'. Think more in terms of the Empire State's mast and less in terms of recent spires like the Times, Bofa, or Trump Tower Chicago.

It'll be the first real mast (as opposed to a mere pole) built in NYC in a long, long time - perhaps the first one anywhere, on that scale (unless the top 100 stories or so of the BD qualify as one, I guess). I think the FT will come to be recognized as the ESB of the 21st century.

[winlinmac001]

:previous: :previous: :previous: I AGREE! :) :D :notacrook: :cheers:

It'll be the first real mast (as opposed to a mere pole) built in NYC in a long, long time - perhaps the first one anywhere, on that scale (unless the top 100 stories or so of the BD qualify as one, I guess). I think the FT will come to be recognized as the ESB of the 21st century.

[Zerton]

I think what the media doesn't understand is how long it takes to develop a skyscraper. And in this case, it was removing the debris of two 110 story buildings, planning new train lines and streets, four skyscrapers, an underground complex, and a memorial. That honestly takes about a decade to figure out and build, especially in downtown Manhattan.

[Pizzuti]

I think 1 WTC makes an interesting parallel with the Empire State Building, which was also by far the biggest project going on in Manhattan and was also built during really bad economic times (the Great Depression) when other projects were being cancelled.

Depending on how long this recession drags on, I think the fact that 1 WTC is being built in spite of it (and providing economic activity during it) will someday become a big part of the narrative of this project.

[hunser]

I think what the media doesn't understand is how long it takes to develop a skyscraper. And in this case, it was removing the debris of two 110 story buildings, planning new train lines and streets, four skyscrapers, an underground complex, and a memorial. That honestly takes about a decade to figure out and build, especially in downtown Manhattan.

exactly. and it's not just the media, it's the people in general. i've given up explaining to colleagues and friends how complex the whole WTC actually is. :rolleyes:

btw lovely night shots NYCLuver!

[Zensteeldude]

Oh we grasp it, all 403' of it.

It's actually 441' 4". The spire sits on the roof (1,334' 8") not the top of the parapet (1,368').

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/3984663571_ed12f9dbc0_z.jpg?zz=1

This print also shows the thickened slab under the spire and the slab opening in the center for all the wiring.

And the unmistakable base surrounded by cooling towers.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2455/3984663647_5de901d16c_z.jpg?zz=1

The square structure around the base is just to keep the hole in the roof out of the weather and give them a place to hang lights (the dashed lines and circles).

OK, I'm off to play with the girls in the pool and eat some american barbi.

[NewYorker2009]

I think what the media doesn't understand is how long it takes to develop a skyscraper. And in this case, it was removing the debris of two 110 story buildings, planning new train lines and streets, four skyscrapers, an underground complex, and a memorial. That honestly takes about a decade to figure out and build, especially in downtown Manhattan.

I think you're being alittle too lenient. The removal of debris from the World Trade Center was quite fast, from (September 2001 - May 2002) when it was expected to take much longer. If they had a new plan in place like they did with the new 7 WTC, construction could have commenced in 2002 or 2003 on the new Towers but Libeskind's Master Plan wasn't picked until 2003 and then the focus was on Freedom Tower only, which had to undergo several changes in the design. Then the NYPD had to step in and demand the Tower be pushed away West Street to prevent another Truck Bombing. Finally in 2006, Silverstein released the designs for Towers 2, 3, and 4 which we all thought would be done by 2011 or 2012. The Port Authority was too slow in excavating the sites for the 3 Towers, preventing Silverstein from obtaining any financing before the Economy collapsed. At least now we are back on track with construction so hopefully we can at least get Towers 1 and 4 done by 2013, the Memorial and Museum done by 2012 or 2013, the Transportation Hub by 2014, and Towers 2 and 3 sometime within this decade. I could really care less what happens with the Performing Arts Center and Tower 5 although it would be a nice way to fill up the Downtown Manhattan Skyline even more. As amazing as the New World Trade Center Office Towers will look when completed, the most important project that needs to get completed first is the 9/11 Memorial and Museum.

[meh_cd]

The square structure around the base is just to keep the hole in the roof out of the weather and give them a place to hang lights (the dashed lines and circles).


Do you know of any preliminary or finalized lighting plans? I'm sure it will be lit with floodlights, but will they correspond to different occasions like the ESB?

[NYguy]

Do you know of any preliminary or finalized lighting plans? I'm sure it will be lit with floodlights, but will they correspond to different occasions like the ESB?

What has been said about the lighting scheme is that while similar to the ESB, it will be lit differently, with a color scheme that could change instantly. Silverstein, however, has said his towers will have a blue lighting scheme.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

What has been said about the lighting scheme is that while similar to the ESB, it will be lit differently, with a color scheme that could change instantly. Silverstein, however, has said his towers will have a blue lighting scheme.

so it'll be lit for holidays?

[Mr. Lion]

What has been said about the lighting scheme is that while similar to the ESB, it will be lit differently, with a color scheme that could change instantly. Silverstein, however, has said his towers will have a blue lighting scheme.

Please elaborate if possible:yes:

[Mr. Lion]

so it'll be lit for holidays?

I would imagine so. From what nyguy said it osunds that all the towers will normlly be lit in a light blue andwill have the ability to display a wide variety of colors for several occasions.Sounds good if you ask me

[evanmack]

It's actually 441' 4". The spire sits on the roof (1,334' 8") not the top of the parapet (1,368').

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/3984663571_ed12f9dbc0_z.jpg?zz=1

This print also shows the thickened slab under the spire and the slab opening in the center for all the wiring.

And the unmistakable base surrounded by cooling towers.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2455/3984663647_5de901d16c_z.jpg?zz=1

The square structure around the base is just to keep the hole in the roof out of the weather and give them a place to hang lights (the dashed lines and circles).

OK, I'm off to play with the girls in the pool and eat some american barbi.

Cool prints! :tup:

[Mr. Lion]

wow, the lobby looks so cramped and tiny, how are they going to fit people in there? not to mention a front desk.

i miss the open window look of the old WTC, it was so nice:(
Probably the best lobby ive seen. I wish they could change the design so thereare at least some more natural light.But its toolate now probably. They say they made it bunker-like for bomb issues but youdont see any of the other proposed towers like that

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Probably the best lobby ive seen. I wish they could change the design so thereare at least some more natural light.But its toolate now probably. They say they made it bunker-like for bomb issues but youdont see any of the other proposed towers like that

rather be safe than sorry....this tower is a target,if were going to build we have to realize that.

[winlinmac001]

I wouldn't be surprised if all of the lights installed at 1 WTC will be solely "LED." Then you can interchange between various colors easily. :banana:

[Mr. Lion]

rather be safe than sorry....this tower is a target,if were going to build we have to realize that.the other towers have pasive saftey systems without a bunker podium. you dont expect me to beieve the other towers are more prone to attack

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

the other towers have pasive saftey systems without a bunker podium. you dont expect me to beieve the other towers are more prone to attack

this is the "Freedom Tower" the initial tower on the site, and the others really are less prone to attack. like in the original complex the main towers were the targets while the smaller were not. though even though they dont have bunker podiums they do go above all mandated safety codes in NY.

[sw5710]

Cool prints! :tup:

Could they still make changes to these Prints? Or are they final.

[hunser]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4959219789_c3438bee34_b.jpg
JEF 96 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jef96/)

[nycdagreatest]

Any new steel today?

[Obey]

Could they still make changes to these Prints? Or are they final.

If I had to guess those prints are final. All the time and effort that they put into the plans was so they didn't need to make last minute changes. Why do you ask?

[J_M_Tungsten]

Will work be stopped on September 11th for any services that will be held?

[Obey]

Will work be stopped on September 11th for any services that will be held?

Most likely or very minimum work.

[NYguy]

Will work be stopped on September 11th for any services that will be held?

Work is supposed to be stopped at the entire WTC site for a few days.


They say they made it bunker-like for bomb issues but youdont see any of the other proposed towers like that

Those other towers also don't stand next to a highway, which is the entire reason the Freedom Tower had to be redesigned and pushed back.

[NYguy]

SEPTEMBER 6, 2010

Took a lot of photos, so I'll post in two parts...

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[NY-rob-NY]

thes are great shots