NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[talltowers08]

Yes, stairs D E F and G run from below grade to the second floor,as does stair C within the core. On the second floor the four stairs connect to the core stairs A & B. Stair C is for Fire and Rescue personnel only.

Zen i understand what you mean and can clearly see it in the photos aswell so thank you for the info :)

[NYguy]

For me I get a kick mostly from seeing things like the plaza take shape.

Yeah, because in a sense, for the first time we are seeing things as they will actually be. In the future, when you're crossing that plaza, you'll remember when you first saw it taking shape.

[Puzzlecraft]

NY Guy.... a couple of the best pictures yet. Thanks.

I noticed today that the steel staging structure over what is to become Fulton St., is now being dismantled, now that the newly poured concrete around the "tree fountain" has quickly been used for storage.

[Ghost]

Update from EarthCam (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/):

http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg

[drumz0rz]

The proximity of the RR tracks to the south tower footprint is interesting. I hope they are able to build enough of a buffer so that you don't hear the low rumbling of the trains passing from the memorial.

[NYguy]

NY Guy.... a couple of the best pictures yet. Thanks.

I noticed today that the steel staging structure over what is to become Fulton St., is now being dismantled, now that the newly poured concrete around the "tree fountain" has quickly been used for storage.

Wonder if the Fulton St side will also be used as a staging area....

[AustinSkyscrapers]

The current camera shot. From RebuildGroundZero:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

[Zensteeldude]

Wonder if the Fulton St side will also be used as a staging area....

It most certainly well be. Space is one thing the WTC site has not nearly enough of.

The steel removed from above the Fulton St. corridor was temporary support for the slab. Once the cement had cured it was no longer needed. If you look at some of the pics on WTC. com you can see the hanger rods. (rough guess on the cost, about $3,800 per ton of temp steel x 12tons)

[Zensteeldude]

Something that has been bothering me for a few days, the forum header quotes the roof height as 1,368 feet, the top of the parapet is 1,368 feet. The roof well be 1,334 feet 8 inches, there are also just 86 full floors, not 108. If the admens. need proof I can provide photos of the prints (provided the pics do not include sensitive info).

75th floor structural.
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7355&d=1246590837

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7358&d=1246591174

[Duffstuff129]

Something that has been bothering me for a few days, the forum header quotes the roof height as 1,368 feet, the top of the parapet is 1,368 feet. The roof well be 1,334 feet 8 inches, there are also just 86 full floors, not 108. If the admens. need proof I can provide photos of the prints (provided the pics do not include sensitive info).

75th floor structural.
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7355&d=1246590837

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7358&d=1246591174

Zensteeldude, I know you have the prints, so is there any chance of an outdoor observation deck? And if not is the last floor (1334' 8") the observation deck?

[Dac150]

Well if you want a good look at what is going on underneath this part of the complex I would advise everyone who can the ride the PATH. I did just that yesterday and literally spent 15 minutes just watching the underground areas taking shape. The concourse is going to be quite extensive from what I saw, and the WFC tunnel is just massive. It was worth me missing my train and having to wait for the next one.

[Zerton]

^ take photos next time! :D

[Dac150]

^ take photos next time! :D

Will do. It was my first time on the PATH, so I didn't know what to expect, but I know now for next time.:tup:

[Zensteeldude]

Zensteeldude, I know you have the prints, so is there any chance of an outdoor observation deck? And if not is the last floor (1334' 8") the observation deck?

With the way the window washing cranes are configured and the 3 comunications rings I see no chance of an open air observation deck on top.

Even if it were possible to put one above the comunications rings the building would need major redesign to get people up to it.

The observation deck is on the 102nd floor 1,266' 8" above the Lobby floor.

[NYguy]

Something that has been bothering me for a few days, the forum header quotes the roof height as 1,368 feet, the top of the parapet is 1,368 feet. The roof well be 1,334 feet 8 inches, there are also just 86 full floors, not 108.

The top of the parapet is the roof height. Also, the 108 is not the actualy count of floors, but what they are calling the top floors, though I think it's at 102 now.

[NYguy]

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[MercurySky]

I cannot wait until my visit starting 9/9/09. I like the progress and the delays only frustrate me slightly. It will really start moving soon.

[CHAPINM1]

You people are all forgetting that the communications element is gone! GONE!!! Also that design changes can be made VERY quickly with the computer technology that is going into the design. NYGUY posted something about that a while back. I wouldn't at all be suprised if the restaurant and the observatory are both to be bumped up in height.

[Duffstuff129]

With the way the window washing cranes are configured and the 3 comunications rings I see no chance of an open air observation deck on top.

Even if it were possible to put one above the comunications rings the building would need major redesign to get people up to it.

The observation deck is on the 102nd floor 1,266' 8" above the Lobby floor.

Well. That's really low and sucks a lot. :(

[Zensteeldude]

The top of the parapet is the roof height. Also, the 108 is not the actualy count of floors, but what they are calling the top floors, though I think it's at 102 now.

I have no idea where they got the 108 floors from. The floors are not numbered consecutively and the top numbered floor is 105 witch happens to be the roof (it's also the height of the original Tower Two).

The top of the parapet is 34' above the roof and is there to hide the cooling towers, window washing track etc( the top of the parapet is also the hight of the first Tower One).

[Zensteeldude]

You people are all forgetting that the communications element is gone! GONE!!! Also that design changes can be made VERY quickly with the computer technology that is going into the design. NYGUY posted something about that a while back. I wouldn't at all be suprised if the restaurant and the observatory are both to be bumped up in height.

The "communications element" is far from gone. The MTVA backing out of it's commitment just means that about 14 tv antennas (all mounted in the spire) well not be installed and the spire well be redesigned to be lighter and cheaper (the current design weighs over 400 tons). Also that leaves the 89th and 90th floors empty, for now.

As far as design changes NYGUY is absolutely right, CAD programs make it rather easy to make new revised prints. That is the easy part, the hard part is changing contracts already signed and sealed to build the tower according to the current design. (The PA web site has a list of contracts, about 93% of the tower is bought and payed for)

I also see no way for the restaurant and observation deck to be moved higher up in the tower, there are elements of the HVAC equipment that must stay were they are, just below or just above the roof.

[drumz0rz]

It's more of a pipe dream. The open air roof observation platform on 2 WTC was a wonderful, unique place (i remember being up there one night, as the wind was blowing up the building, making one side extremly windy, while the other side was slient, and there was a distinct line between the two). The sad truth is that we can't get that expirience back, which is a real shame. Maybe in the next half century someone else will build a massive sky scraper downtown, and put an open air platform on top. One can only hope...

[uaarkson]

You guys act like it would be impossible to add an open-air observation deck at some point in the future. Sure, it's unlikely to happen anytime soon, but it could always happen.

[Dac150]

There's no need to further discuss this because it is irrelevant to the current planned reality.

[Zensteeldude]

You guys act like it would be impossible to add an open-air observation deck at some point in the future. Sure, it's unlikely to happen anytime soon, but it could always happen.

It's not impossible, just unlikely in the extreme, now or ever. However here is something that may very well happen in the near future.

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/travel/sears-tower-sledge/

Say 3 or 4 on each side. I don't think the sloped sides of the tower are an issue.

[Antares41]

^ take photos next time! :D

The Police may not let you take any photos from the PATH Station. Don't know this for certain, but, don't be surprise.

[NYguy]

( the top of the parapet is also the hight of the first Tower One).

That's the plan.

[NYguy]

Update from morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3717728294/sizes/l/) (July 13)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3717728294_4bb56e1f90_b.jpg

[Dac150]

The Police may not let you take any photos from the PATH Station. Don't know this for certain, but, don't be surprise.

Yes, there was quite a lot of security so I don’t know if they would allow it.

[NYguy]

Yes, there was quite a lot of security so I don’t know if they would allow it.

You can do it. Just take the pic, don't ask. It's the same around the Goldman Sachs building (of which you aren't supposed to photograph). But just take your shot and move on, nobody will bother you. You can also take shots from the train when it pulls in.

[Dac150]

Alright, I’ll give it a shot next time I’m down there. There certainly is much to show, it really is pretty cool what’s going on under there.

[Dirty Sandpit]

is it me or has the north core caught up with the south core? Either way it looks like one giant core! Great progress, and thanks for posting pic because the Earth cam webiste won't let me on anymore for some reason!

[NYguy]

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[Puzzlecraft]

The north core hasn't jumped yet. Maybe within 2 weeks?

Picture is within the last hour:

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/20090714_WTC1_status.jpg

Meanwhile looks like a big pour is about to happen on the ground level south of the south core. Also the south core form cladding is being removed from the south side of the south core, meaning a different construction method will commence beyond the current level of south core concrete, eventually.

Finally on Vesey St. (N. of the N. core), demolition of the overhang has made progress (lower right).

On another forum, people are asking what the steel forms which were recently removed from Fulton St. were for. Someone here mentioned the steel forms for used for staging material until the plaza to the East was poured. The plaza area is now being used for temporary storage / staging.

[CHAPINM1]

Appears that they are doing a pour tonight judging by the concrete trucks!

[pattali]

Black and Red dress for north core, Black dress for south core ...

http://mathias.attali.free.fr/bldg/gzrobotic11607.jpg

[NYguy]

Update from morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3724841468/sizes/l/) (July 15)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3724841468_b834176290_b.jpg

[NYguy]

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[Puzzlecraft]

Something happened with the S Core - clearly a jump can be seen - floor form or work platform jumped - plus a darker wall form or is this just a curtain?

Slow starting animated gif:

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/20090716_WTC1_score_jump.gif

Cropped NYguy pic showing the removal of the old form cladding from the S. side of the S core.

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/20090716_WTC1_score_cladoff.jpg

As for the funky red and black skirt on the N. core form, any idea why? I was thinking to keep the light aqua colored "foam tiles" from shedding (space shuttle problem), lol.

Still no pour at the S side mat. A pour at the N Core last night could mean that we'll see a jump there this weekend.

[uakoops]

Looks like the S core inside forms were jumped up. They will put the rebar around them then put the outside forms on.


Something happened with the S Core - clearly a jump can be seen - floor form or work platform jumped - plus a darker wall form or is this just a curtain?

Slow starting animated gif:

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/20090716_WTC1_score_jump.gif

Cropped NYguy pic showing the removal of the old form cladding from the S. side of the S core.

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/20090716_WTC1_score_cladoff.jpg

As for the funky red and black skirt on the N. core form, any idea why? I was thinking to keep the light aqua colored "foam tiles" from shedding (space shuttle problem), lol.

Still no pour at the S side mat. A pour at the N Core last night could mean that we'll see a jump there this weekend.

[Starsky]

This question has probably been asked before many, many times...but when are we going to see something significant. Didn't the Empire State Building rise at a rate of about 1 floor per day? Obviously not expecting that, but maybe 1 floor every couple weeks would be ok!

[NYguy]

This question has probably been asked before many, many times...but when are we going to see something significant.

I suppose whenever you decide you've seen something significant.

[Puzzlecraft]

I thought there had been a pour at the N. Core and the forms might jump this weekend. I think this was wrong. Apparently there was a pour but on the mat area NW of the core.

[QuarterMileSidewalk]

This question has probably been asked before many, many times...but when are we going to see something significant.

Umm, foundations? Core? Massive memorial complex, transit center, and at least one other skyscraper being built all around it, after removing 10 floors of ruins? Impressive so far, if you ask me.


Didn't the Empire State Building rise at a rate of about 1 floor per day? Obviously not expecting that, but maybe 1 floor every couple weeks would be ok!

I thought the ESB's rate was more like about 1&1/2 floors per week, but still, I think once the major structural work of the foundations and the memorial area are done, we'll start seeing this one fly, too.

[uakoops]

South lobby floor being poured today!!

[J.M.]

Really, thats worth seeing the result... if only work can start to focus more up north though.

[Zensteeldude]

The south half of the core has reawakened,(form jumps) probably in response to the north half catching up soon. Looks like about one third of the lobby slab is now poured. I'm guessing they are 1 to 2 weeks from a pour on the west side. There are some huge grade beams over there that well take some time to form out and bar up.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3273015312/in/photostream/

[derekski99]

I rarely post because I'm really not educated in architecture to the extent all of you are, but I have a question that's been bugging me for a while now. Where is the second memorial water feature going to go? I can see the square footprint for one of them, but don't really see anything resembling the second one for the second tower. Has it just not been started yet?

[RoldanTTLB]

I rarely post because I'm really not educated in architecture to the extent all of you are, but I have a question that's been bugging me for a while now. Where is the second memorial water feature going to go? I can see the square footprint for one of them, but don't really see anything resembling the second one for the second tower. Has it just not been started yet?

The outline is not as well formed, but if 1WTC is on your right, and the outline you can make out is to the left of that, then if you look further left and slightly down, you can see the other square. Only the west wall is completely there, you can see the south and north walls coming off it ever so slightly. Looking at this photo: http://www.wtc.com/media/images/d/14_44_Memorial-July-2009.JPG it is the outline back and to the left of the very obvious outline.

[RoldanTTLB]

Well, I do not update on this thread terribly often, but here she be. I give it until September until this site just takes off.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-PAAE1MI/AAAAAAAAC9E/6frLp2nQm7I/s800/DSC01849.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-UaCdR6I/AAAAAAAAC9M/d9tFC3jYHiw/s800/DSC01852.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-ZaPY_nI/AAAAAAAAC9Q/Rkfy93jfME4/s800/DSC01853.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-dmYjIqI/AAAAAAAAC9U/nG9p3gDcFcQ/s800/DSC01854.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-h5ht6CI/AAAAAAAAC9Y/8NyZw7giAD8/s800/DSC01855.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-mv9TgUI/AAAAAAAAC9c/NjNKV1DcoI0/s800/DSC01860.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-sa-XJuI/AAAAAAAAC9g/wjh5ooHK6nM/s800/DSC01862.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SmE-wkBqqeI/AAAAAAAAC9o/UKNpXfwucf8/s800/DSC01863.JPG

[Phil McAvity]

Perhaps someone can explain why this building wasn't built years ago because it seems to be taking forever.

[Puzzlecraft]

Right now, interior section.

[talltowers08]

the north core has just jumped !!!

[Zensteeldude]

We may actually see the tower reach the 20th floor next quarter! Give em a month and they'll have the erecting steel on the entire core up to the 4th floor . Once the erecting steel is up the perimiter columns can go higher and we well actually see floor beams going in ! Note: the 2nd floor hangs from the core and the 3rd floor so the 3rd floor needs to go up first. (yes, I am excited I've waited 2 years to see the prints made real on the Tower site)

[Zensteeldude]

Perhaps someone can explain why this building wasn't built years ago because it seems to be taking forever.

The short answer is that the WTC is the site of our nations greatest tragedy since Pearl Harbor ! The difference is that most of the dead were civilians .

[Crush_Buds]

Mostly because of politics and bureaucratic BS.

[37TimPPG]

the north core has just jumped !!!


A celebration is in order. And now...The Dancing Bananas
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[uaarkson]

This is it folks.

[drumz0rz]

Umm, foundations? Core? Massive memorial complex, transit center, and at least one other skyscraper being built all around it, after removing 10 floors of ruins? Impressive so far, if you ask me.




I thought the ESB's rate was more like about 1&1/2 floors per week, but still, I think once the major structural work of the foundations and the memorial area are done, we'll start seeing this one fly, too.

The ESB rose at a rate of 1 floor per day in steel only, the brickwork and every thing else weren't as fast. Also, the ESB was one of a few buildings under construction at the time and had priority.

[CHAPINM1]

I knew it would be days rather than weeks!!! HEHEHE...

[Austin55]

I am really getting the impression this will be huge.

[talltowers08]

http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg

Just so people dont have to go back to page 259 to get the link

[NYguy]

We may actually see the tower reach the 20th floor next quarter! Give em a month and they'll have the erecting steel on the entire core up to the 4th floor . Once the erecting steel is up the perimiter columns can go higher and we well actually see floor beams going in !

It's what everyone's been waiting for, when the "form" of the tower begins to make its presence felt.

[NYguy]

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[Puzzlecraft]

The previous N. core jump took 38 days, this one 32 days. Things continue to come together for upcoming big steel phase!

If a person on the planet wants me to put together yet another jump gif I will..........

[37TimPPG]

The previous N. core jump took 38 days, this one 32 days. Things continue to come together for upcoming big steel phase!

If a person on the planet wants me to put together yet another jump gif I will..........


yes, please!:D

[J.M.]

The previous N. core jump took 38 days, this one 32 days. Things continue to come together for upcoming big steel phase!

If a person on the planet wants me to put together yet another jump gif I will..........

I usually stare at em for 5-10 minutes :slob:

[Puzzlecraft]

There are four pictures in this sequence. The first on 7/17 before anything started. There was some black fabric over the outer form that was not present in the last three pictures. The second and third about 15 minutes apart around noon (East coast time) on 7/18 showing the interior section jumping. The fourth one a short while ago on 7/19 well after the exterior section jumped.

The program I use to put together the gif is about 15 years old and can only handle 256 colors which is why the images are a little grainy.

I had to tweak the rotation of the photos as the camera rotates slightly over time causing the raw pictures not to line up decently.

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/20090718_WTC1_ncore_jump.gif

[Aleks]

That core is huge! Please tell me it will eventually get smaller as the tower goes up. Look at how little floor-space is available! It's good to hear that's its finally rising again. Another small step towards an amazing complex.

[J.M.]

That core is huge! Please tell me it will eventually get smaller as the tower goes up. Look at how little floor-space is available! It's good to hear that's its finally rising again. Another small step towards an amazing complex.

If you look at the Wiki main photo it looks like the above base floors will have way more space. But also remember their is walking space in the core. So all of use SSP members should meet up when this opens well those who want to go..

[hunser]

wow, great news. :) 1 wtc is speeding up. can't wait till the floors finally begin to rise.

[Lecom]

Umm, foundations? Core? Massive memorial complex, transit center, and at least one other skyscraper being built all around it, after removing 10 floors of ruins? Impressive so far, if you ask me.


Yea, all that jazz is important in any building of its height, yet most of them seem to rise much faster thah this one. Sure, none of them have such overbeefed safety standards (concrete system 5x stronger than required by code, every pour is meticulously tested) or complicated site in such a complicated neighborhood (a train running through your U/C basement... hmm) but you can't deny that the process is going quite frigging slow, despite all the progress.

[Aleks]

Yup. Doesn't the Shanghai WFC also have extra security features? Like crossbeams within the core walls. It's also taller and has a slightly more difficult shape. Yet it rose out of the ground in no time! But didn't the SWFC also have 24 hour construction?

How many hours a day do crews work on this site?

[Dac150]

How many hours a day do crews work on this site?

For the most part, construction on the areas that aren’t facing any political and financial debates pretty much occur 24 hours a day (at least that’s what I’ve noticed and heard). I’ve also seen work being done on the weekends as well.

Remember, complexity may be an overused reason as to the pace of construction, however there is much to be completed and or significantly in place underground before work can and could commence on the above ground portions.

Considering all of what has occurred I am quite pleased with where we are now despite the complications surrounding the other half of the site. Things are moving along.

[Dirty Sandpit]

yeah but 5 years to get out of the ground? I'm sorry but the site around here in Cincinnati (Queen City Square) rose from ground about 8 stories below to about 240 feet in the air in about 5.5 months. How do you like them apples. Granted the security and financial/politcal problems weren't there. But you can't say this site is slow because of construction, but merely because people were sitting on their asses not getting the job done. It would have been a great testament to our will as a country if this site had been rebuilt sooner. So we can give the Middle finger to the Terrorists! I check this site everyday, and I do see lots of progress but mainly in the last year though which is odd.

[meh_cd]

Yup. Doesn't the Shanghai WFC also have extra security features? Like crossbeams within the core walls. It's also taller and has a slightly more difficult shape. Yet it rose out of the ground in no time! But didn't the SWFC also have 24 hour construction?

How many hours a day do crews work on this site?

Ahahaha. It took almost 12 years to finish SWFC. Fast indeed.

[Dac150]

It is what it is, bottom line, whether you like the pace of construction or not, it will be built according to the timetable. Again, this is clearly one of the most complicated construction projects in the country (if not the world) from all angles.

[NewYorker2009]

Ahahaha. It took almost 12 years to finish SWFC. Fast indeed.

Groundbreaking for the Shanghai WFC occured in late August 1997 and that was it until 2003 when foundation and superstructure work began due to the Asian Financial Crisis that occured during the late 1990's. One World Trade Center broke ground in 2004 and construction began in 2006. Here we are in 2009 so it has taken alot of time but it will be worth it in the end.

[CHAPINM1]

Yup. Doesn't the Shanghai WFC also have extra security features? Like crossbeams within the core walls. It's also taller and has a slightly more difficult shape. Yet it rose out of the ground in no time! But didn't the SWFC also have 24 hour construction?

How many hours a day do crews work on this site?

Your wrong, this building will be taller than the SWFC, plus the SWFC has NOWHERE NEAR the same codes or quality that this building will have. The two don't even compare.

[CHAPINM1]

only if you want to get into a roof vs. pinnacle/spire debate. SWFC's roof ( and thus, the peak of its primary structure) is about 75m higher than this one's will be.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=43809958

Still taller, plus don't start that whole spire/roof/pinnacle/mechanical penthouse/spire/pinnacle horse shit. This has been discussed on here at no end and it's beyond sickening!!!

[Crush_Buds]

Wikipedia lists official ground breaking on April 27, 2006, and I'm sure it has hit many financial and political roadblocks before and since then. So A: Where are people getting the idea that the project started 5 years ago? It may have initially started then, but its construction has been nowhere near constant. So why is there so much concern and debate about it? And B. This is not China. We have unions and labor laws. It will take time. There has been more controversy to this building than any other in the country. Replacing two buildings that each had their own damn zip code!!! ...So it'll be done when it's done!

[NYguy]

Just a reminder people, this thread is not meant to be a discussion ground for spire vs. roof debates. As far as the pace of construction goes, we are well aware of what has gone on until now. Those of us who bother to read the thread are also generally aware of when to expect things to move. The constant complaints over pace of construction and spire vs. roof debates have become tiresome to some, so please leave your whining to another thread, no need to keep beating a dead horse.

[NYguy]

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[pattali]

Back on topic , this morning a lot of truck coming from West street delivering steel , maybe for 1 wtc ...

[NYguy]

Back on topic , this morning a lot of truck coming from West street delivering steel , maybe for 1 wtc ...

That would be great.

[colemonkee]

Is that dude carrying a murse (man purse)?

[FLBlake]

Is that dude carrying a murse (man purse)?

:haha: He's also wearing capri pants. That's superfabulous.

[Duffstuff129]

Is that dude carrying a murse (man purse)?

:haha: He's also wearing capri pants. That's superfabulous.

And walking next to a guy wearing super short pants and drinking a super-duper iced coffee.

Hm...

But I love the progress! I have a feeling the progress of this tower could be mapped using the function x^3 as a visual tracking of its progress.

[NewYorker2009]

Wikipedia lists official ground breaking on April 27, 2006, and I'm sure it has hit many financial and political roadblocks before and since then. So A: Where are people getting the idea that the project started 5 years ago? It may have initially started then, but its construction has been nowhere near constant. So why is there so much concern and debate about it? And B. This is not China. We have unions and labor laws. It will take time. There has been more controversy to this building than any other in the country. Replacing two buildings that each had their own damn zip code!!! ...So it'll be done when it's done!

I wouldn't rely on wikipedia for specific information on One World Trade Center as some of the information on there has been proven false or hasn't been updated for quite some time. Here is a website you should check out about when One World Trade Center broke ground.
http://glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php
Note: Groundbreaking is just a ceremony where a cornerstone is laid and July 4th, 2004 is when One World Trade Center's cornerstone was laid. Construction was then on hold for 21 months because of Silverstein and the Port Authority. To save you from visiting the website here is what it says:

"4 July, 2004 - Groundbreaking. A 20-ton granite slab is used as the cornerstone of the project. It is inscribed with the words "To honor and remember those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001 and as a tribute to the enduring spirit of freedom." - July Fourth, 2004."

"Ceremonial groundbreakings often precede the actual start of construction by many months."

[meh_cd]

That cornerstone was later removed, though. I wouldn't consider that the of groundbreaking for the current form that the tower has taken.

[RockMont]

That cornerstone was later removed, though. I wouldn't consider that the of groundbreaking for the current form that the tower has taken.


That's because, that was going to be the beginning of that ridiculous nightmare, that was designed by that architect named Liebeskind. Thank God it was replaced by what is about to go up now.

[NewYorker2009]

That cornerstone was later removed, though. I wouldn't consider that the of groundbreaking for the current form that the tower has taken.

Yes it was removed but it's only temporary. It will probably be returned to the site once the Tower is near completion or sometime after that. It was still the official goundbreaking ceremony. They had to remove the cornerstone for construction to begin which occured in June 2006.

[Aleks]

Your wrong, this building will be taller than the SWFC, plus the SWFC has NOWHERE NEAR the same codes or quality that this building will have. The two don't even compare.

Actually, the SWFC is taller by roof which is what I'm referring to. Even with that silly hole at the top. Btw, my post wasn't meant to start a debate on the whole spire vs. roof. It was other forumers who did.

And the Shanghai WFC had a redesign after 9/11 where they added extra safety features that exceeded the building codes of even American cities. A look at the internal structure and it's components will show you that the building is one of the safest skyscrapers anywhere on earth.

And I'm not complaining about the schedule, but you must admit that it has taken a while for everything to start coming together. I know that there's this and that along the way and thats caused the construction to be slow, but it in fact has taken a long time. Which is all I'm pointing out. Other than that I'm pretty happy with the progress. It's better to see this complex coming together now than later.

Btw, does anyone have an idea of how much steel is used for 1 core floor? I imagine it must be way above average. And aren't the core walls supposed to be like 3 feet thick? Do we have an exact measurement?

[BStyles]

I've been watching One World Trade Center's progress since about a few months before they installed Calatrava's arches, and it has been slow, but they blew me away when they installed the steel cage on the S. core.

Think of it this way. The original World Trade Center started in 1964 and ended in 1973. They had to remove an entire neighborhood before they could start work on it. Thw new World Trade Center has to remove the remains of the original, so it's less than their time frame.

One World Trade Center will beat the WTC's record by about two years, so progress is very fast. If it were any faster, work will be rushed and the safety features won't be all that ''safe.'' This building plans to exceed normal building code, while aiming to achieve the LEED gold standard, so tat adds on to the progress too.

[NewYorker2009]

I've been watching One World Trade Center's progress since about a few months before they installed Calatrava's arches, and it has been slow, but they blew me away when they installed the steel cage on the S. core.

Think of it this way. The original World Trade Center started in 1964 and ended in 1973. They had to remove an entire neighborhood before they could start work on it. Thw new World Trade Center has to remove the remains of the original, so it's less than their time frame.

One World Trade Center will beat the WTC's record by about two years, so progress is very fast. If it were any faster, work will be rushed and the safety features won't be all that ''safe.'' This building plans to exceed normal building code, while aiming to achieve the LEED gold standard, so tat adds on to the progress too.

The original World Trade Center actually began in 1966. Demolition work on Radio Row began in March 1966 and Groundbreaking occured in August 1966 so it's strange how forty years later the process would have to be repeated with new, stronger Towers.

[Dirty Sandpit]

I've been watching One World Trade Center's progress since about a few months before they installed Calatrava's arches, and it has been slow, but they blew me away when they installed the steel cage on the S. core.

Think of it this way. The original World Trade Center started in 1964 and ended in 1973. They had to remove an entire neighborhood before they could start work on it. Thw new World Trade Center has to remove the remains of the original, so it's less than their time frame.

One World Trade Center will beat the WTC's record by about two years, so progress is very fast. If it were any faster, work will be rushed and the safety features won't be all that ''safe.'' This building plans to exceed normal building code, while aiming to achieve the LEED gold standard, so tat adds on to the progress too.

Now that you put it that way, I tend to agree. Considering this hole in the earth looks like a neighborhood was demolished, I guess we can't complain when it's not being built as fast as a rocket to space. But then again. They were building two buildings this is just one. But you could argue well yeah they built them at the same time. Either way I see your point.

[Dac150]

This conversation is really becoming tiresome and dragged out to no end in sight. When it’s built it’s built; bottom line. No sense in going on comparing and contrasting and discussing the same old song and dance.

[Zensteeldude]

Actually, the SWFC is taller by roof which is what I'm referring to. Even with that silly hole at the top. Btw, my post wasn't meant to start a debate on the whole spire vs. roof. It was other forumers who did.

And the Shanghai WFC had a redesign after 9/11 where they added extra safety features that exceeded the building codes of even American cities. A look at the internal structure and it's components will show you that the building is one of the safest skyscrapers anywhere on earth.

And I'm not complaining about the schedule, but you must admit that it has taken a while for everything to start coming together. I know that there's this and that along the way and thats caused the construction to be slow, but it in fact has taken a long time. Which is all I'm pointing out. Other than that I'm pretty happy with the progress. It's better to see this complex coming together now than later.

Btw, does anyone have an idea of how much steel is used for 1 core floor? I imagine it must be way above average. And aren't the core walls supposed to be like 3 feet thick? Do we have an exact measurement?

I am not at all surprised that the SWFC is one of the safest towers in the world after all Leslie Robertson is the senior structural engineer on that project. I though he was a broken man after 9/11 but I am very happy to see him bounce back strong ! For those of you who do not know Leslie Robertson was the senior structural engineer on the Twin Towers.

Having read only about 400 of the 2,487 pages of the New York City Building code personally I find your clams to be highly questionable.

I do know how much steel is in the core floors, I also know how thick all the core walls are, however, that information is need to know.

Now, on to what I really came here for. I found myself in South Plainfield,NJ yesterday and drove past the location of the company that is fabricating the steel for Tower One. I happened to see a friend of mine who is a welding inspector and stoped to say hello and of course find out all I could about the progress. Although he was very tightliped about happenings I did see about 10 trailers loaded with perimiter column sections ready to ship. I also saw some of the massive branching connections for the 3rd floor being welded. The next few months should be very interesting at the job site.
(The place is HUGE and I only saw about 15% of it)

[meh_cd]

Now, on to what I really came here for. I found myself in South Plainfield,NJ yesterday and drove past the location of the company that is fabricating the steel for Tower One. I happened to see a friend of mine who is a welding inspector and stoped to say hello and of course find out all I could about the progress. Although he was very tightliped about happenings I did see about 10 trailers loaded with perimiter column sections ready to ship. I also saw some of the massive branching connections for the 3rd floor being welded. The next few months should be very interesting at the job site.
(The place is HUGE and I only saw about 15% of it)

*hops up and down excitedly*

[QuarterMileSidewalk]

BStyles, welcome to the forum, and nice start! Well put, I think.