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[CarlosV]

all the concrete that has been poured over the last few days ...basically

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ HOLY CRAP! ACTUAL PROGRESS?!!!???!???!??!

Its nice to see some formwork in place marking some real progress instead of that symbolic beams BS they put in before. Looks like they are moving pretty quickly now! Time to check this thread more than once a week... Now if the off topic banter would just permanently subside now that there is something to look at...

[djvandrake]

Great pictures Carlos, Thanks for the ground level perspective. It's so hard to see what is hapening from the freedom tower cam, and it's nice to get this kind of update. Many thanks.

Love that new Avatar too. :tup: :yes:

[CarlosV]

:hi:
hey thanks Mr DJ...once the foundation is fully underway is gonna be more fun to photograph it!!

Farrah is my girl!!!!

[gzfollower]

Greetings: Looks like some "tanks"? were installed back in the middle of July. After they were placed, it appears forms/flooring were constructed overhead and then all the concrete work done. Anyone know for sure. BTW, great image from the north end of the structure underneath the recent work. I see the the "1st" columns are partially clad now.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1128/1125997218_9cb5c7b9f0_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1213/1125156065_480f33701d_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/1125156441_a8d93596df_b.jpg

[Daquan13]

Great ariel pics!! I noticed that the staircase from the old WTC is still there.

[2-TOWERS]

look at the shadows

[CarlosV]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/babosadas/LarrySilverstein2V.jpg

[Daquan13]

One of Silverstein's few photos that show him smiling.

[Green Jello]

The WTC Construction Video Project


High Res Version:
640x480 (http://www.warclan.net/Downloads/Freedom_Tower.wmv)


Updated through 8/13

[Stephenapolis]

Cool thing about that time lapse. You an also see progress on the excavation for the other towers.

[dubai 1]

:banana: :banana: :banana:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture098.jpg

is this anything of the tower. it looks like more of that tunnel that's going thru the site

[Daquan13]

It may be. Don't know for sure yet.

[Ghost]

It's something between tower 1 and memorial. Ground level, there is a street.

[DMAG]

The raised portion to the South of the core almost looks temporary...like a platform to assist in working on the columns they are creating in the center of it, The form work underneath almost seems like a heavy duty scaffolding. But I believe yesterday they covered the entire surface in concrete. Not sure what the heck all that is.

[charger1966]

So what is the next big concrete pour? I see that they finished the floor above the tanks yesterday. But what I don't see is any other rebar showing that looks like the next pour.

Lance

[Milllos]

There will be road on Fulton street, it´s a technical place under this road :tup:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2528/gzle5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with C5050Z (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=C5050Z&make=OLYMPUS+OPTICAL+CO.%2CLTD) at 2007-08-16

[Dac150]

Those tanks look like the makings of the utility level.

Millos- Good find with that pic!

[jmr85]

So when will additional steel arrive?

[Dac150]

^^^^^^^^
In a few months. The steel supply is currently in South Carolina where is will be touring up the cost for people to see and sign it. The next steel supply following the next will be much quicker. Being that this is the first steel (minus the columns already laid), people and officials are making a bigger deal out of it.

[37TimPPG]

There will be road on Fulton street, it´s a technical place under this road :tup:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2528/gzle5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with C5050Z (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=C5050Z&make=OLYMPUS+OPTICAL+CO.%2CLTD) at 2007-08-16

Thanks for putting in the drawings. Much easier to envision where everything will be! This is really exciting watching all this being built:banana: :banana: :banana:


GOD BLESS AMERICA

[dubai 1]

it puts everything into perspective

[CarlosV]

that memorial will be a waste of valuable NY real estate...what a waste....but i guess they want that...

[Dac150]

that memorial will be a waste of valuable NY real estate...what a waste....but i guess they want that...

A memorial that is dedicated to thousands of people who died in horrible deaths for nothing is certainly NOT a waste.

[dubai 1]

^^ exactly. PUSSY WILLOW you should understand that

[Daquan13]

And also, if it's not built, the 09-11 families will balk up, there'll be a big squabble,
they'll be threatening to sue. They'll also threaten to have the construction friggen stopped, and how many times have we seen that?!

The case would go to court and tie things up, creating another slowdown and delays. The whole constructon timetable will be thrown off.......... this..........that........ nah, nah, nah!!

We don't need any more delays now that the plan must meet a strict timeline!

[NewRussia]

the freedom tower has a smaller footprint than the orginal wtc towers:(

[CoolCzech]

the freedom tower has a smaller footprint than the orginal wtc towers:(

Wrong; it's got practically the same footprint and same roof height as the old Twins. However, the FT elegantly tapers, so it's interior volume is considerably lower.

But who cares? I don't remember ever looking at a tower and going, "WOW! Would you look at the volume of that thing!"

[CarlosV]

the freedom tower has a smaller footprint than the orginal wtc towers:(


don't go by that photo, the Foot print of the new WTC is the same dimensions as the old 207 feet each side!!!

[NewRussia]

really,:) thats great! thanks for the info

[CitySkyline]

Wrong; it's got practically the same footprint and same roof height as the old Twins. However, the FT elegantly tapers, so it's interior volume is considerably lower.

But who cares? I don't remember ever looking at a tower and going, "WOW! Would you look at the volume of that thing!"

Well, I was one of those people who did admire the volume of the original WTC towers. It wasn't just the height that was impressive, it was its girth. Out-of-towners were always so focused on how tall they were that they were always surprised when they would go near them and discover how BIG they really were. They always expected them to be thinner (just goes to show you how tall they really were, that they looked skinny but were really quite "fat").

And, since they didn't taper at all, the "bigness" was more pronounced as the person looked up at them.

Anyway, since I do believe the footprint of FT is that same, I'm satisfied. :cheers:

[CitySkyline]

that memorial will be a waste of valuable NY real estate...what a waste....but i guess they want that...

Don't forget that the original WTC towers did have that plaza in between, so there was some open space even before. I think with all the big towers going up, it's good to have some open space (otherwise, where can you sit and look up to admire all the buildings? ;) )

As for the memorial itself, I'm rather neutral. I do agree there should be a memorial, but I don't think it had to be so big (i.e., take up so many acres). But, the green space is good, so it doesn't bother me. I'm actually looking forward to seeing those two rather large and dramatic waterfalls.

[RockMont]

Don't forget that the original WTC towers did have that plaza in between, so there was some open space even before. I think with all the big towers going up, it's good to have some open space (otherwise, where can you sit and look up to admire all the buildings? ;) )

As for the memorial itself, I'm rather neutral. I do agree there should be a memorial, but I don't think it had to be so big (i.e., take up so many acres). But, the green space is good, so it doesn't bother me. I'm actually looking forward to seeing those two rather large and dramatic waterfalls.



I'm looking forward to seeing the whole thing in its entirety!:)

[NYguy]

As for the memorial itself, I'm rather neutral. I do agree there should be a memorial, but I don't think it had to be so big (i.e., take up so many acres). But, the green space is good, so it doesn't bother me. I'm actually looking forward to seeing those two rather large and dramatic waterfalls.

The thing about the memorial is that it will be mostly underground, topped by what is essentially a park and giant waterfalls. In that sense, its not a waste at all. We knew there had to be a memorial at the site, and in fact, some people wanted the entire site left for the memorial. I think we got a pretty good deal here. A very good deal.

[CarlosV]

True....but i wish the two waterfalls should have been pools instead!!! more serene....

[Daquan13]

Don't forget that the original WTC towers did have that plaza in between, so there was some open space even before. I think with all the big towers going up, it's good to have some open space (otherwise, where can you sit and look up to admire all the buildings? ;) )

As for the memorial itself, I'm rather neutral. I do agree there should be a memorial, but I don't think it had to be so big (i.e., take up so many acres). But, the green space is good, so it doesn't bother me. I'm actually looking forward to seeing those two rather large and dramatic waterfalls.



Part of that was that not only did the relatives go whining on Pataki's shoulders about not wanting the Twins back. They also asked him not to let anything be built on the two spots where the towers once stood.

They were also playing watchdog. If they felt or even had the slightest hint that something WAS being put there, such as part of the PATH Station platforms, they'd go running back to the officials and threaten to have the rebuild stopped.

That's how we ended up with the two giant voids where the towers were.

[CoolCzech]

The thing about the memorial is that it will be mostly underground, topped by what is essentially a park and giant waterfalls. In that sense, its not a waste at all. We knew there had to be a memorial at the site, and in fact, some people wanted the entire site left for the memorial. I think we got a pretty good deal here. A very good deal.

Yeah, I'd say so: a spectacular new city park complete with world-class water features. It's sobering to think that instead of an entire new district of stunning supertall towers and parks, we might have ended up with a 16-acre cemetery in the middle of an economic wasteland.

[Scruffy]

True....but i wish the two waterfalls should have been pools instead!!! more serene....

the sound of the waterfalls is meant to drown out the noise of traffic on west st and most other ambient city noise.

[CarlosV]

August 18, 2007

OMG this site must be cursed!!

a fire broke out today at the Deutsche Bank...:( :( :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture137-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture136-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture134-2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture143-2.jpg

[Daquan13]

Anyone get hurt?

Yes, you're so right!! It IS cursed, and it goes all the way back to when the Twins were being built!

[CarlosV]

^

YES several firefighters were seriously hurt!!!!

[rbowk]

omg i so feel sorry for those people

OMG

[CarlosV]

This will never end..one tragedy after another...damn

[PIZ]

2 firemen lost there lifes:(

[Dac150]

That is such a shame that two firefighters lost their lives.

[CoolCzech]

That is such a shame that two firefighters lost their lives.

Damn it, how much longer are they going to keep screwing around with this old hulk? Implode the damned thing before anyone else gets hurt. I wish they had just let the damn thing burn to the ground.

[Lecom]

^Implode a toxic tower in one of the world's densest downtown neighborhoods? How's that lessening the chance of someone getting hurt?

This tower has been taking way too long to take down, but I'm all for slowing down (though it hurts to say that, after so many delays and years of waiting for it to come down) the demolition process if it means more safety and less screwups that lead to tragic incidents like these.

[Ghost]

Omg that can't be true! Someone wake me up. How much this will delay (de)construction?

[Dac150]

Omg that can't be true! Someone wake me up. How much this will delay (de)construction?

At this point I want them to make the area safe so no more people get hurt. That is just horrible that those two firefighters died. That whole area is death strucken.

[Austin55]

sucks. my dads a firefighter.

[Daquan13]

At this point I want them to make the area safe so no more people get hurt. That is just horrible that those two firefighters died. That whole area is death strucken.



I knew it was coming sooner or later!!

This is sad and tragic! This process will probably be stalled once more!:hell:

[Knightwing]

Yea thats terrible...

[CarlosV]

http://www.newyorkology.com/archives/images/dbfire.doldman-thumb.jpg

how sad how this site had become a side freak show!!!!!burning tower, dying men...and these fools posing for a snapshot!!!

[37TimPPG]

OMG. This has got to be a terrible nightmare. How much more can NYC and the FDNY take?

God Bless those 2 brave firefighters and their families.

GOD BLESS THE F.D.N.Y.

I'm not superstitious but I'm beginning to believe the whole damn site is cursed!

[CarlosV]

That damn ugly eye sore should of been demolished/exploded
Weeks after 9/11 instead of dismantling it screw by screw.
Two fire fighters lost their lives for fear that knocking
Down the bank in a few minutes might bring awful memories
Back to local residents. To the residents take a long weekend
Off, blow that stupid building up and stop this method of
Madness.
To Our bravest...REST IN PEACE.


http://images.craigslist.org/01010301020901030120070819013e8da7946138e64200a203.jpg

To Firefighter Joseph Graffagnino and Robert Bedia – Please Rest in Pease

[Daquan13]

They couldn't implode it because of the fact that the tower was contaminated with cancer-causing asbestos and other toxins which could have gotten into the air and would have made an aweful lot of people sick.

The only other option is to do it like they're doing it now - piece by piece.

[NYguy]

Sadly, it was inevitable that tower would cause more harm.

[Daquan13]

Yeah, it seems no matter which way they go, it's still a deathtrap!:hell:

[djvandrake]

May those two brave men rest in peace, in a place of honor with their fallen brothers. :( :( :(

[Daquan13]

I wonder if they'll be added to the list of 09-11 heros who died then, since the tower was partially destroyed on that day.

[NYguy]

I wonder if they'll be added to the list of 09-11 heros who died then, since the tower was partially destroyed on that day.

Not likely. There are many people who died, or who will die because of complications from being caught in the dust and those who participated in the recovery of 9/11. The toll coninues to rise.

[Daquan13]

Not likely. There are many people who died, or who will die because of complications from being caught in the dust and those who participated in the recovery of 9/11. The toll coninues to rise.



Ironically, the tower was just on the NBC Nightly News, and true to my suspicions, Brian Williams says that the officials ARE blaming 09-11 for the two firefighters' deaths.

Demolition work has stopped. Again for what seems like the zillionth time!! City officials suspect that a cigarette might be the culprit for the fire.

Residents who live near Ground Zero say that the building should have been removed long time ago. They are frustrated, angry, pissed off and irate that the process of dismantling the tower has gone through so much red tape, BS and delays.

Some say, and we all know this is true, that the tower sat there too long and that nearly six years of waiting to get the structure removed was completely needless and inexcusable, and that they want the building removed immediatley

[charger1966]

So can anyone tell me when the next large scale concrete pour will be and for what part? The site is really starting to move now.

[Daquan13]

Probably more for the foundation and definitely more for the core.

[NYguy]

Residents who live near Ground Zero say that the building should have been removed long time ago. They are frustrated, angry, pissed off and irate that the process of dismantling the tower has gone through so much red tape, BS and delays.

Yet, its these same people who are constantly complaining about the demoliton every step of the way. Either they want it down, or they don't.

[Daquan13]

Yet, its these same people who are constantly complaining about the demoliton every step of the way. Either they want it down, or they don't.



Haha!!:haha:

Yeah, you're right!! And they've been known to switch back and forth when it's convenient for them.

And BTW, weren't THEY some of the ones who had sided with the relatives when they said that they'd seek to have the building's dismantling stopped when more remains were found?

Boy!! Talk about being two-faced!:hell:

[NYguy]

And BTW, weren't THEY some of the ones who had sided with the relatives when they said that they'd seek to have the building's dismantling stopped when more remains were found?

What else would they have to do if there was nothing to complain about?

The fact is, anyone who had a problem with the air or the process of removing that building should have moved long before now. I don't want to hear anymore of it from those people.

[Daquan13]

What else would they have to do if there was nothing to complain about?

The fact is, anyone who had a problem with the air or the process of removing that building should have moved long before now. I don't want to hear anymore of it from those people.



Part of the problem was that the decision on whether to save and restore the tower or to just get rid of it was tied up in court. The insurers didn't want to fork over any money to fix it up. They were more or less quibbling over every nickel and dime.

They thought that it was much better off being removed. So they paid for the removal rather than to renovate the structure.

The wreckage from the Twins, the nine-stories and 7WTC were removed from Ground Zero in just mere months, yet this dark dismal Relic from the Jurassic Park still remains standing six years later!!

[Daquan13]

What else would they have to do if there was nothing to complain about?

The fact is, anyone who had a problem with the air or the process of removing that building should have moved long before now. I don't want to hear anymore of it from those people.



Yeah, there's an old saying; If they can't stand the heat, then they should get out of the kitchen!

Part of the problem was that the decision on whether to save and restore the tower or to just get rid of it was tied up in court. The insurers didn't want to fork over any money to fix it up. They were more or less quibbling over every nickel and dime.

They thought that it was much better off being removed. So they paid for the removal rather than to renovate the structure.

The wreckage from the Twins, the nine-stories and 7 WTC were removed from Ground Zero in just mere months, yet this dark dismal Relic from Jurassic Park still remains standing six years later!!

[37TimPPG]

Ironically, the tower was just on the NBC Nightly News, and true to my suspicions, Brian Williams says that the officials ARE blaming 09-11 for the two firefighters' death.


At least they aren't blaming it on Larry Silverstein:jester:

[Daquan13]

At least they aren't blaming it on Larry Silverstein:jester:



They can't blame it on him because orginally, that wasn't one of his buildings.
It was out of his hands. And it's not his fault anyway that this happened.

But since the building was damaged by by the falling of the South Tower and it became contaminated with asbestos and other toxins and it was warer-damaged which it's interior had become infested with mold and mildew, and given the fact that the insures won't finance a a rehab, the structure has to come down.

And also, given that the tower is not being saved, the spot that which it sits on has become a part of Ground Zero.

[CarlosV]

:gaah:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/babosadas/LarrySilverstein2V.jpg

[Matt08642]

2 shots of Ground Zero from my friends trip to NYC.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2148/img1141bd1.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1351/img1139hh4.jpg

Not that great, just a different angle.

[RockMont]

I wonder if they'll be added to the list of 09-11 heros who died then, since the tower was partially destroyed on that day.



They should be. And then again there were work related deaths when the originals were going up, and unfortunately, there are likely to be some, during the construction of the new ones too.

[Daquan13]

Yeah, I wrote that in the new thread that I started in the WTC Redevelopment section called "Tragedies at the WTC Site to Date".;)

[Ghost]

I'm not sure, but it looks like the core is going to rise soon. Also, they are making second level already on that structure under the future street!

[Daquan13]

It DOES look like one of the crane platforms have gotten a little bit higher.

[wong21fr]

I'm not sure, but it looks like the core is going to rise soon. Also, they are making second level already on that structure under the future street!

Maybe, but you can definitely see forms that are almost certainly for the core being emplaced along the corners of the leftmost crane:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1356/1205323373_246ff0062f_o.jpg


Does anyone know what shape the FT's core will be? Square? Rectangular? A freakin' octagon?

[Daquan13]

Last I heard was that it'll be square.

What's that being built next to the tower's columns? Part of the infrasructure? Fulton Street maybe?

Yes, it looks as though the crane's platform on the left has gotten a little bit higher! I think the core is rising on that side as well.

[37TimPPG]

What's that being built next to the tower's columns? Part of the infrasructure? Fulton Street maybe?

Yes to both questions.

This is getting really exciting!:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

(Wow! 5 Dancing Bananas...I really should lay off the caffeine!)

[DUBAI2015]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1280/1214433481_c94d6dbed4_o.jpg

What is that I see around the crane?

[Dac150]

Scaffolding fell off the DB Building about 1&1/2 hours ago. Two more firefighters were injured. This thing is a damn death trap.

[rich_200]

Maybe, but you can definitely see forms that are almost certainly for the core being emplaced along the corners of the leftmost crane:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1356/1205323373_246ff0062f_o.jpg



Guys, is the wall underconstruction on the far left part of the FT or is it the future wall of the fountain that will be in the place of the former WTC???

[Daquan13]

I don't see it. Can you point it out to me?

Maybe with an arrow?

Yes Dac, you're right! This goddamn building is getting on my last nerve!! Every damn time that work is resumed on it, something else goes horribly wrong! Almost like the damn thing is cursed
with the devil!!:hell: :hell:

[Dac150]

It looks like the type of building that would be cursed.

[CarlosV]

the curse lives on.....how many more will die???

[Daquan13]

I'm afraid that only the Grim Reaper knows for sure!

[Dac150]

You have to expect at leat a few deaths in the construction. I pray that not be the case, but it is very possible. The construction of part of the new WTC already took 1 life with 7 WTC. And if you consider these two firefighters, I guess it would be 3.

[Ghost]

July pics from Port Authority of NY&NJ:
July 2007 - Freedom Tower Foundations (See #6 (http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/WTCSiteOverlay10.jpg))
http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/fredmtwr01.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/fredmtwr02.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/fredmtwr03.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2007/07/fredmtwr04.jpg

[NYguy]

It's just a matter of months folks...

[ATLksuGUY]

WOOOOHOOOO!!!:cheers: :cheers: Great to see actual progress, Im gonna die when i see the full core come out of the ground.


And on that note, pussywillow, your avatar is FREAKIN ME OUT MAN, what is it?????:sly:

[Lecom]

They should be. And then again there were work related deaths when the originals were going up, and unfortunately, there are likely to be some, during the construction of the new ones too.
I wish they were added, but sadly they must not be added because if they are, everyone and their mother will wish for their deceased relatives to be added that may or may not have somehow been tied to the World Trade Center. Sadly, I believe that a gesture as nice as adding those firefighters will result in a disappointing brawl about many more names and petty squabbling that has no place at such a solemn site (yet of which we've seen way too much already). Thus, with my teeth clenched, I say that the memorial roster remains the same, and everyone else's deaths are mentioned elsewhere on the site.

[Lecom]

To answer some questions on here, the most prominent thing under construction there is the shopping concourse that goes east-west directly to the south of the actual tower (in fact, the tower's columns form the hallway's north wall), going into the Calatrava terminal to the east and under West Street to the WTC to the west. Programmatically, the concourse is part of the FT, and its southern wall will be shared with the memorial complex directly to the south.

[Daquan13]

(Edit)

[Daquan13]

And BTW, just what IS that thing the guy is using in the bottom pic that looks somewhat like a lawn mower?

Looks like he's smoothing out the surface of the concrete that was just poured, but I'm not sure. I've seen that type of machine in use before.:shrug:

[Dac150]

It's used to dry the concrete.

[Dalton]

It's used to dry the concrete.

Actually it's a power trowel. It's used to float and finish the concrete.

[Dac150]

Actually it's a power trowel. It's used to float and finish the concrete.

As well as dry.

[wong21fr]

^Nope, it's used mainly to finish the concrete.

[Dac150]

^Nope, it's used mainly to finish the concrete.

As well as dry.