NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[Modulair]

please, i have a question:
at april 2012, when i expect to come to NY, do you know what 1WTC will look like????
will it have reached its 415 meters ?
will it have its antenna installed ??
thanks

[Fishman92]

please, i have a question:
at april 2012, when i expect to come to NY, do you know what 1WTC will look like????
will it have reached its 415 meters ?
will it have its antenna installed ??
thanks

nah, it'll probs be topped out, but the antenna is at least another years work.

[sw5710]

New steel in the next day or two. 857' to the splices on the 70th floor

[STR]

The vaporous grease that would linger around the tower could be named "Freedom Fog," and the pigeons would grow obese licking it off the windows.

Which is great, because the people at Bon Appetite can kill said birds and write an annual issue on the best squab in the world.

http://i.imgur.com/uK5Uc.jpg (http://imgur.com/uK5Uc)

No, for two reasons:
1) It's only a 4" gap, narrowing to only 3" at the window edge. Compare to roughly 10x11 feet of exhaust space by using 5 two foot wide window cut-outs. Not much of an exhaust, and build up would reduce that further, requiring extenisve maintainence on the outside of the building.

2) It will blow hot grease and soot on to the stainless steel corners. Not desirable either.

[patriotizzy]

The vaporous grease that would linger around the tower could be named "Freedom Fog," and the pigeons would grow obese licking it off the windows.

lol, thanks for the humor :haha:

[sw5710]

What if it looks like the vents below the top.

[Traynor]

1) Drill through and duct to the floors above and below each corner, the number of spaces you need to achieve the square footage of venting. (You already rent several floors)

2) They have electronic and other high and low-tech filters to remove more than 90 percent of the suspended, airborne particulates.

3) Window washers will regularly give this spot of stainless steel, an extra scrub. I'm sure they won't mind.

[brian.odonnell20]

1) Drill through and duct to the floors above and below each corner, the number of spaces you need to achieve the square footage of venting. (You already rent several floors)

2) They have electronic and other high and low-tech filters to remove more than 90 percent of the suspended, airborne particulates.

3) Window washers will regularly give this spot of stainless steel, an extra scrub. I'm sure they won't mind.

maybe you should just let it go... your starting to sound like kanto trying to search for the highly-improbable-but-possible solutions of something you want... the vent really isn't gonna look that bad and no one's seeing it 95% of the time anyway. And why wouldn't the window washers mind? why would they want to do extra work for normal pay?

[Troubadour]

Conde Nast official rendering:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5071/5826247775_b7e0ce15c4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44615724@N05/5826247775/)
Freedom Bilge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44615724@N05/5826247775/) by troubadour (http://www.flickr.com/people/44615724@N05/), on Flickr

[brian.odonnell20]

Conde Nast official rendering:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5071/5826247775_b7e0ce15c4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44615724@N05/5826247775/)
Freedom Bilge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44615724@N05/5826247775/) by troubadour (http://www.flickr.com/people/44615724@N05/), on Flickr

Now it'll be LEED certified :tup:

[Dac150]

I’m sure they’ll do everything to make it as aesthetically tolerable as possible.

[STR]

1) Drill through and duct to the floors above and below each corner, the number of spaces you need to achieve the square footage of venting. (You already rent several floors)

Which leaves them with a complicated system that not only defeats the original purpose of the vent (simplifying construction and inspection), but destroys valuable corner office space.

[JayPro]

Once again, with my prop dead horse, steel-toed combat boots, and genuine Five Points-era shillelagh personally notched by Monk McGinn himself, I respectfully wish to point out the following:

1. This vent will be not even one story in height and 25'' in length.
2. Said vent will be located no higher than the 40th floor, from where said vent will be mostly obscured by the surrounding high-rises.
3. Said vent is therefore small enough to have absolutely no ill effect on any panoramic view of the Tower from where this dreaded bane of the cityscape :rolleyes: can possibly be detected, if at all.
4. There are as yet no--count them--no renderings of said vent; and on the strength of that fact alone, I continue to be astonished at the expressed degree of lamentation by way of speculation before even thing one has been publicized.
5. I am just as surprised and disappointed at the lack of faith being shown for those who will be tasked with finding a mutually acceptable resolution.

[Alliance]

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This is an excellent photo. It really puts the cladding it the best light I've seen.

[CoolCzech]

Yeah. smokes gonna come "billowing" out and 9/11 family members will go into shock and faint out right on the memorial plaza from the impact it has on them. LOL (Sitting waiting for horrific rendering of smoke billowing out of vents...anyone?)

I'm sure the grieving widows and children appreciate the humor, lame as it is.
Honestly, they could serve up shit on a shingle and there would always be somebody outrageously outraged that people took exception to it :rolleyes:

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[Kanto]

maybe you should just let it go... your starting to sound like kanto trying to search for the highly-improbable-but-possible solutions of something you want... the vent really isn't gonna look that bad and no one's seeing it 95% of the time anyway. And why wouldn't the window washers mind? why would they want to do extra work for normal pay?

Man, looks like I'm famous ........ now I dunno if that's a good thing or a bad thing :shrug:

[toren1776]

I think I can't stress this enough but from all the photos that have been taken of 1 WTC with the Brooklyn Bridge on the past few pages it is evident how much the Beekman Tower (New York by Gehry) dominates and will continue to dominate 1 WTC from Brooklyn. Jersey City is really the only decent vantage point from which views of the tower will be unhampered by 8 Spruce.

[599GTO]

I think I can't stress this enough but from all the photos that have been taken of 1 WTC with the Brooklyn Bridge on the past few pages it is evident how much the Beekman Tower (New York by Gehry) dominates and will continue to dominate 1 WTC from Brooklyn. Jersey City is really the only decent vantage point from which views of the tower will be unhampered by 8 Spruce.

Is there a problem with that?

Quite frankly, I hope more (beautiful) monster buildings are put up in the area until WTC is completely dominated. I LOVE the new WTC but Lower Manhattan can never have enough skyscrapers.

And on a side point...I wonder if anyone will ever put up a building taller than 1WTC in Downtown Manhattan? I really do hope so...

[Tall guy 31]

Seems all the webcams are stuck with images from last week. Damn, I'm hooked to this site. I visit it 2 or 3 times a day to see if any new progress is updated. I keep hoping I would blink my eyes and see the tower finished & topped off. No such luck, eh???

[sterlippo1]

Is there a problem with that?

Quite frankly, I hope more (beautiful) monster buildings are put up in the area until WTC is completely dominated. I LOVE the new WTC but Lower Manhattan can never have enough skyscrapers.

And on a side point...I wonder if anyone will ever put up a building taller than WTC in Downtown Manhattan? I really do hope so...

i couldn't have said it any better than that. i am in complete agreement and i LOVE 1WTC but there can't be enough of 'em that tall:tup:

[animatedmartian]

:previous: I'm less than optimistic about that. Just looking at the 15 Penn Plaza and ESB situation makes me think WTC would be treated the same way. Then again that's just my cynicism talking knowing WTC and ESB are completely different in a lot of ways.

[jigglysquishy]

ESB is in a complete other league than WTC when it comes to being an icon. The view of WTC doesn't really need to be preserved, especially since the view from Jersey will always be there. Its not like WFC is gonna get knocked down any time soon.


If any building dominated WTC it should be the Beekman. That and the Woolworth are my two favorite NYC skyscrapers.

[sterlippo1]

:previous: I'm less than optimistic about that. Just looking at the 15 Penn Plaza and ESB situation makes me think WTC would be treated the same way. Then again that's just my cynicism talking knowing WTC and ESB are completely different in a lot of ways.

oh, i'm not optimistic about it at all but only agreeing that more supertalls would be to my liking

[Fishman92]

wow, the PA cam is down... same image for the past 2 hours :O. I wanna see the steel !

[Matt]

And on a side point...I wonder if anyone will ever put up a building taller than 1WTC in Downtown Manhattan? I really do hope so...

Highly doubtful... I've always had a concern, and I'm pretty sure it will ring true in the future, is that the symbolism of the 1,776' height of the "Freedom Tower" will establish some sort of "gentleman's agreement" and impose an unofficial height limit on lower Manhattan; indeed, all of New York City.

Besides, there is only 220' of wiggle room you can build above the tip of 1 WTC before you reach 2,000' and need an act of Congress to lift the national height limit. That in itself is highly unlikely, especially for a private development like an office/hotel/residential structure.

[uaarkson]

:previous: The "national height limit" is a myth. Structures taller than 2000 ft. need special approval from the FAA, not an "act of congress."

As far as the gentleman's agreement goes, forget about it. As soon as building taller than 1WTC is profitable, you'll see 2000 ft. towers in Manhattan. Did you forget what kind of people operate down there?

[599GTO]

1WTC and ESB aren't comparable.

Empire State Building is a true global icon from a different era, and that style of tower, much like the Chrysler Building ,can never be replicated. As handsome as 1 WTC is, it is simply a tall glass tower that can easily be outdone by a taller more innovative more shiny glass tower.

Something like London's Shard with a pointed tip, and 2,500 ft to the tip (I know that's really pushing it, lol) would be amazing in Manhattan, IMO.

[Zapatan]

Highly doubtful... I've always had a concern, and I'm pretty sure it will ring true in the future, is that the symbolism of the 1,776' height of the "Freedom Tower" will establish some sort of "gentleman's agreement" and impose an unofficial height limit on lower Manhattan; indeed, all of New York City.

Besides, there is only 220' of wiggle room you can build above the tip of 1 WTC before you reach 2,000' and need an act of Congress to lift the national height limit. That in itself is highly unlikely, especially for a private development like an office/hotel/residential structure.




I disagree, there will be so many supertalls in NY in the future sooner or later one will be built as tall or taller than 1WTC.

[Matt]

:previous: The "national height limit" is a myth. Structures taller than 2000 ft. need special approval from the FAA, not an "act of congress."

As far as the gentleman's agreement goes, forget about it. As soon as building taller than 1WTC is profitable, you'll see 2000 ft. towers in Manhattan. Did you forget what kind of people operate down there?

There is, in fact, a national height limit of 2,000' imposed by both the FAA and FCC; it can be challenged and exceptions can be made for specific structures (notably TV towers), etc., but the justification behind the argument must be solid and introducing new layers of bureaucracy would turn many developers away. As for the FAA, every tall structure must be approved by them - it's the reason buildings have aircraft warning lights, and why there are different types of aircraft warning lights dependent on where a building is situated within an active flight path. (solid red, flashing red, white strobe).

As for the "gentleman's agreement", we will just have to wait and see. My gut instinct is that the IMPORTANCE of this memorial will establish one. Philadelphia had a similar "unofficial" height limit for the longest time; then the city finally came around in the 1990s. And really, who would want to be the villainous developer to propose building taller than America's beloved "FREEDOM Tower?" Just imagine the bad press.

Admittedly, there are many dynamics at play here (including market demand), but I wouldn't count on a supertall to surpass 1WTC in Manhattan anytime soon. That being said, will 1WTC eventually be eclipsed? Of course, I'm sure of it... but IMO not in this generation. :cheers:

[brian.odonnell20]

well... that kind of comes down to financial feasibility, doesn't it. you figure 80 *true* stories is around the max profit-wise.... and 80 true stories with a tall enough spire can get up to about the height of 1wtc. So really its all about how far businesses want to stretch their profit for height..

[MadGnome]

The 2000' "limit" is just a change in the approval process. A big one. It shifts the burden to the developer to prove that the structure won't be a hazard, with no clear procedure for doing so, making it extremely difficult.
Even the KVLY tower only made it because the antenna on top didn't count as part of the structure. I never really understood that rule, since antennas will bring a plane down just as well as the tower structure.
Childs originally wanted a 2200ft tower at WTC1. That was not likely to happen.

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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[Kanto]

I think there is nothing wrong in surpassing 1WTC in height. In fact, it's the exact opposite. It is desirable to surpass 1WTC because 1WTC is small when compared to nowadays skyscrapers and if NY wants to get back into the race, it needs to build something far taller. I really hope that a taller building will be built asap, though the economy has to improve first for that to happen. I would love to see NY with the tallest building in the world again, just as Donald Trump would.

[Fishman92]

just as Donald Trump would.

As long as it's got nothing to do with Donald Trump I will agree.

[jigglysquishy]

I gotta disagree with the tallest in the world sentiment. NYC would need a 2,900 foot building to be the tallest. It would totally destroy the skyline. Do you really think New Yorkers would be happy that something is twice as tall as ESB?

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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[2-TOWERS]

i don't see a building taller then the BURJ in manhattan, WTC #1 will be awesome and lets stay back on the topic here !!!!!!!!!

[Fishman92]

On topic? OK! I see splices going up.
http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

cmon guys,use your brains. In a place like NYC do you honestly believe that 1 WTC will be the tallest thing in the city in the next 50-100 years?

[MrSlippery519]

cmon guys,use your brains. In a place like NYC do you honestly believe that 1 WTC will be the tallest thing in the city in the next 50-100 years?

Agreed not a chance, someone is going to want to push that 2000ft barrier sooner than later in NYC. With every where else in the world seeming to surpass the US in this regard someone is going to want to make a statement.

[animatedmartian]

Oh hay, what's going on here?

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[Fishman92]

anyone notice that this has gone up another elevation?

[Matt]

Have to love these comments from people who are absolutely obsessed they're going to see a building taller than 1 WTC, particularly on the basis of "other countries are passing us by, so naturally America will have to build taller". In case you haven't noticed, that means nothing to American developers anymore; the United States is no longer in a "skyscraper race". We have already proven ourselves over the last 100 years to be a global economic titan, we have no need to build empty office towers ala Dubai or China to prove to the world we are somebody. We are, in fact, what other emergeing world economies hope to become. The theory behind and image associated with emerging countries building supertalls is to prove that they are "just as advanced as America". Plain and simple.

Just take a look at the mundane quality of high-rise architecture being built in the US today - pretty much boring glass boxes, nothing nearly as cutting edge and sophisticated as these grandiose and fancy skyscrapers being built in Asia and the Middle East. The US high-rise market works solely on market demand and financial feasibility; we don't have any oil-rich sheiks in the US building monuments to themselves, and we don't have skyscrapers funded by the government to prove our third-world society is advanced and sophisticated. We build functioning, justifiable real estate projects here, not monuments at any cost just to make a point. Let's be real here.

That being said, those who believe the US will be in the skyscraper race again are basing their beliefs solely on what they hope to see. Sadly, logic trumps hope here. A simple analysis of the US commercial real estate market will reveal the US can no longer be in a skyscraper race, nor do we need to be. Would it be nice to have the tallest building in the world? Sure it would, I'd be all for it. I'd love for us to reclaim the title. But would the numbers work for any developer who would want to bring home the trophy again? Probably not. And it's not just numbers proving to be the obstacle; it's also reverence for the Freedom Tower, NIMBYism, federal restrictions, difficulty getting a waiver from the 2,000' height limit, etc., etc. I hate to say it, but unless the market fundamentals shift drastically in our favor, New Yorkers can accept a building over twice as tall as the ESB, and the FAA-imposed 2,000 height limit is done away with (among many other obstacles)... New York will never hold the "world's tallest building" title again.

[Traynor]

:previous:

All very sound logic and entirely true for the present

However...

You are being extremely pragmatic and only extrapolating all of these factors into the future as if all of them are static and unchanging.

-America's economy WILL ALWAYS be based on what it is based on now. (No possibility that some unseen discovery or invention by the US could once again propel the US to an economic explosion of ridiculous wealth?)

-America WILL NEVER AGAIN have Robber Barons who wish to build monuments to themselves. (No possibility that some man will come along who's ego is almost as large as his pocketbook?)

-There will ALWAYS be a 2000 foot limit imposed by the FAA. (Rules and regulations will never again be able to be amended in the US? What you have now you will always have for eternity?)

Some of these "wishful thinkers" on here, used to be called dreamers and they were the ones that founded and designed a great America. Not the pragmatists. They were the ones left to figure out how to get it done. They didn't get to run things unless the economy was bad. (As it is now) And that is why your argument seems to make sense in these times.

[Zapatan]

. It is desirable to surpass 1WTC because 1WTC is small when compared to nowadays skyscrapers.

Don't know if I would go that far, you can count on one hand the buildings that actually make WTC look small. If something makes the WTC look small it would also make the sears tower look small, and that building will always be a massive titan no matter what. Just because 2 or 3 2000 footers exist doesn't make a 1400 foot tower short, in any way. People need to be happy with what they have, and sooner or later, more massive skyscrapers will pop up in NY

[aquablue]

There is really no room now for such large towers that Hudson yards is being built with small supertalls. NY will turn its attention to livability issues and becoming a more livable city rather than a place for ground breaking tall towers or a place where ego statements are made with tall buildings. NY is the new London. It will learn to find its new place in the world as other cities grow at much faster rates and become the future centers of the world (just as NY surpassed London years ago as the center for world finance). However, NY will hold its own just like London has. It will also be a better place to live than those other cities that are putting ego and prestige ahead of livability issues.

Asian cities usually build their 2k+ buildings on superblocks. Manhattan is too crowded for those now and I doubt nimbies would tolerate such a tall building along the street in super dense midtown. Due to airports and nimbies, the outer boroughs won't see anything like that either. Also, lower manhattan is out of room now for all intents and purposes. WTC1 is likely to be the new height limit out of respect for 9/11. How silly would it look if the 1776 pinnacle were surpassed by a new tower right next door?

[daHawk]

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I cant wait to see this fully constructed and lit up at night. :worship:

[aquablue]

There is also the consideration of light pollution and there are people living close to this building. Thus, I do not believe there will be any amazing lighting schemes going up

[Kanto]

LOL, the arguments that it would be disrespectfull to 1WTC or ESB if a taller building would be built make me laugh. I mean, the people who built these buildings wouldn't want them to be the tallest forever. No true skyscraper enthusiast would want that. It is the way of nature that new things overcome old things. How would the world look like if there was no evolution? Imagine nature saying about microbes that out of respect to them it won't evolve into more complicated life forms. That would be weird, wouldn't it? It is the nature of skyscrapers that they grow taller and taller, and I don't see any reason why this should end with ESB and 1WTC. Sure, the economy isn't skyscraper-friendly right now, but there have been depressions before and they were overcome. Nothing lasts forever, not even economical depression :tup:

Well, and now to get back to the progress. These night shots are amazing. I'd really like to see 1WTC lit with those construction lights when it reaches it's full roof height :notacrook:

[aquablue]

Sorry, but what sites would be available for such a tall tower in NYC? I don't see large skyscrapers being demolished because that is very expensive. Hudson yards was the place for such large towers, but even there Nimbies wouldn't allow anything very tall nor is it practical to build that tall in NYC anymore. I can't imagine a 1700-2000 footer in midtown unless MSG is demolished. Nowever else can i think of such a tall tower going foward with the nimbies shouting so loudly.

Lower manhattan is not as desirable as midtown and I doubt any developer will be willing to risk so much there on a sub-par location. Anyway, Lower Manhattan will soon be fully built out as a residential district outside of a few areas and more residents do not equal megaltalls.

The outer boroughs are out due to airport issues and low rise residential areas. NYC NIMBIES are very vocal. They just stopped the great plan to close of 3rd avenue to traffic for 6 nights a year. 6 nights for god's sake!! As you can see, they are conservative and do not like change. I doubt you'll see Pudong on Hudson any time soon.

I like to follow NYC, but my interest is now on NYC being able to produce better design rather than height, because really NYC has lost the height race to China and the Middle East and will never catch up. Even Trump won't be building that tall in NYC because he isn't a fool and he knows that NYC could not get such a tower built at that height.

The focus now should be on better city plans, like congestion charges, transportation or other schemes, greening the city, parks, and better building design and urban design (pedestrian streets, plazas, etc). NYC city is still not very innovative when it comes to design of modern buildings. It needs to focus on beautifying the city and becoming more innovative with its land use and transportation.

[Roadcruiser1]

Unless if Brooklyn sees massive skyscraper development. That might be possible in Downtown Brooklyn in 20-30 years from now. The slow Manhattanization of Brooklyn with residential skyscrapers has already begun, and it won't be a rare coincidence to see skyscraper proposals higher then 1,000 feet in Brooklyn for Residential, and Office use in the next economic boom we might sooner or later see in NYC. In fact a 1,000 footer was proposed in Brooklyn back in 2008. It was called the City Tech Tower, but it was never built due to NIMBYISM.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Sorry, but what sites would be available for such a tall tower in NYC? I don't see large skyscrapers being demolished because that is very expensive. Hudson yards was the place for such large towers, but even there Nimbies wouldn't allow anything very tall nor is it practical to build that tall in NYC anymore. I can't imagine a 1700-2000 footer in midtown unless MSG is demolished. Nowever else can i think of such a tall tower going foward with the nimbies shouting so loudly.

Lower manhattan is not as desirable as midtown and I doubt any developer will be willing to risk so much there on a sub-par location. Anyway, Lower Manhattan will soon be fully built out as a residential district outside of a few areas and more residents do not equal megaltalls.

The outer boroughs are out due to airport issues and low rise residential areas. NYC NIMBIES are very vocal. They just stopped the great plan to close of 3rd avenue to traffic for 6 nights a year. 6 nights for god's sake!! As you can see, they are conservative and do not like change. I doubt you'll see Pudong on Hudson any time soon.

I like to follow NYC, but my interest is now on NYC being able to produce better design rather than height, because really NYC has lost the height race to China and the Middle East and will never catch up. Even Trump won't be building that tall in NYC because he isn't a fool and he knows that NYC could not get such a tower built at that height.

lest we forget the entire west site that needs to be redeveloped. Theres plenty of stuff to tear down in Manhattan,though demand is the key. If the market demands the 2000 ft tower then it will happen.

[aquablue]

Unless if Brooklyn sees massive skyscraper development. That might be possible in Downtown Brooklyn in 20-30 years from now.

Downtown Brooklyn? Nope, too many Nimbies around there in RICH areas. I doubt it. Maybe a supertall or two. A mega-tall? Not likely.

I thought this was about 2000 footers +. I'm sure more smaller Supertalls will be built.

[aquablue]

lest we forget the entire west site that needs to be redeveloped. Theres plenty of stuff to tear down in Manhattan,though demand is the key. If the market demands the 2000 ft tower then it will happen.

Perhaps but the west side plan shows most of the plots to allow buildings no higher than 400m.

[aquablue]

To be honest, I think that if NYC wasn't as restricted for space it would be easier to get such buildings done. It seems that most of those hypertalls are done in less dense areas away from residential areas.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Perhaps but the west side plan shows most of the plots to allow buildings no higher than 400m.

Im not only talking about the yards but everything from trump place on the UWS to Tibeca in the next 20 years. Theres room for a lot of development and as for Nimbys,if someone like Chase,Goldman Saks,GE etc. wants to build they will. Money talks.

[Roadcruiser1]

I have faith someone would finish the Metropolitan Life North Building sooner or later.

[JesseNewYorkCity]

Hi everyone! I am new here at the SkyscraperPage Forum and I have read all of the numbers of posts by you guys!

I just wanted to give a HUGE thank you to everyone who is submitting in these pictures of the magnificent One World Trade Center!

I also just wanted to introduce myself and let you guys know I am a huge fan! :)

[JesseNewYorkCity]

Personally I love skyscrapers in NYC and I wouldn't care how many they built. They could build 30 3,100 ft buildings and I would still be happy.

I have to personally say; the more buildings Manhattan has, the more better the skyline would look! :)

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

I cant wait to see this fully constructed and lit up at night. :worship:
Thanks for the compliments; however, unless my pictures are linked back to the original page, people can steal my work, which is copyright protected. I've had problems with this before and wish to avoid any unpleasantries...I take the time to go to the places, set up, and give the forum some great shots, but they are mine and I wish to keep it that way...:tup:

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Citi looking for Manhattan office space

(Reuters) - Citigroup Inc (C.N) is in the early stages of looking for about 1 million square feet of office space in Manhattan and considering space at the World Trade Center site and at the Hudson Yards, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Citigroup currently leases over 1 million square feet in Manhattan from Boston Properties Inc (BXP.N), including its headquarters at 399 Park Avenue and a building at 601 Lexington Avenue.

It also has a long lease for 2.6 million square feet at 390 Greenwich Street in lower Manhattan. That building is owned by SL Green (SLG.N) and SITQ, the real estate unit of Canadian pension fund Caisse de depot et placement du Quebec.

Bloomberg reported earlier on Tuesday that Citigroup was considering leasing space at the World Trade Center site.

Hudson Yards is a 26-acre site on the west side of Manhattan that Related Cos and Oxford Properties are developing for office, retail and residential uses. The development -- sited on top of the rail yards -- is expected to accommodate much of Manhattan's growth over the next 30 years.

Citigroup spokeswoman Shannon Bell said in an email: "Although we are always in touch with the real estate community about space that is coming on the market over the next few years, we have no plans to change our footprint in New York City."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-citigroup-property-idUSTRE75D6JR20110614

[Roadcruiser1]

Hopefully they will lease space at Four World Trade Center. From what I have heard One World Trade Center is already almost fully occupied by potential tenants.

[CoolCzech]

Have to love these comments from people who are absolutely obsessed they're going to see a building taller than 1 WTC, particularly on the basis of "other countries are passing us by, so naturally America will have to build taller". In case you haven't noticed, that means nothing to American developers anymore; the United States is no longer in a "skyscraper race". We have already proven ourselves over the last 100 years to be a global economic titan, we have no need to build empty office towers ala Dubai or China to prove to the world we are somebody. We are, in fact, what other emergeing world economies hope to become. The theory behind and image associated with emerging countries building supertalls is to prove that they are "just as advanced as America". Plain and simple.

...New York will never hold the "world's tallest building" title again.


Well, since "World's Tallest Building" has become a symbol of Third World pretension... why would New York WANT it, after all?

[The Grand Architect]

Hopefully they will lease space at Four World Trade Center. From what I have heard One World Trade Center is already almost fully occupied by potential tenants.

No, not Four World Trade Center. If you want Towers 2 and 3 to be built, cross your fingers and hope the tenants will move in there, instead of Tower 4. Silverstein wants those tenants at those 2 towers or else there's a chance that the construction would be delayed- or even worst, not built. And I agree with Silverstein on this one. I mean who's going to build a skyscraper when no one is going to move into them?

Going back on topic:

Tower 4 is already being leased by alot of tenants. I don't know much or how many tenants are moving in there, but if it's being built right now, there's a pretty good chance that it's attracting alot of tenants.

[Roadcruiser1]

Actually UBS Bank is planning to lease room in Three WTC.

[The Grand Architect]

Actually UBS Bank is planning to lease room in Three WTC.

Yes, but just one corporation leasing space isn't going to make the tower rise faster. Who's going to build a tower with 5 or 6 floors rented out of 80 floors (3WTC)? They need lots.

[Zapatan]

Since when does having a building taller then WTC mean that it has to be a WTB? You can be higher than 1776 feet now a days and well below the Burj Kalifas pinnacle.

I personally think that as space gets more and more scarce, which it will, skyscrapers are going to become more and more of a necesity. The trend of supertalls is already beginning... NYC has never had 10 supertall builidngs planned at the same time (there are about that many)

NYC is obviously going in the right direction skyscraperwise.

1WTC
2WTC
3WTC
15 Penn Plaza
Manhattan West
Gira Sole
Tower Verre
Carnegie 57
225 57th or something
4WTC

hell there are/will be more. I think people are being way too pesimistic

[brian.odonnell20]

theres also the hudson yards development and the drake hotel

[uakoops]

Yes, but just one corporation leasing space isn't going to make the tower rise faster. Who's going to build a tower with 5 or 6 floors rented out of 80 floors (3WTC)? They need lots.

What UBS is looking at would be more like 25-30 floors plus the trading floors in the base. That's more than enough to get silverstein the financing he needs.
Now if only Citi will take half of Tower 2....

[RobertWalpole]

Yes, but just one corporation leasing space isn't going to make the tower rise faster. Who's going to build a tower with 5 or 6 floors rented out of 80 floors (3WTC)? They need lots.

UBS seeks just under 40 per cent of T3, which is more than enough to get it built.

[THE BIG APPLE]

80gays (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59767759@N06/5834173708)

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The prominence of this building is certainly being and will be diminished by Beekman, and later tower 2.

[THE BIG APPLE]

ashes1982 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashleyeckel/5831090714/)

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Last photo before i go to sleep and its a doozy.

[THE BIG APPLE]

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[Kevin Scott Koepke]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2612/5835748403_6dc89d7f95.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5835748403/)
lower manhattan; 6/15/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5835748403/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

[Fishman92]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2612/5835748403_6dc89d7f95.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5835748403/)
lower manhattan; 6/15/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5835748403/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

see, i said on the last few pages steel was going up, no one took any notice, and alot of the posts just seemed to disappear. The PA will have to move their camera in a few weeks.

[hunser]

found by Otie, over at SSC- some great shots here! :worship:

Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com/)


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^I particularly love this shot: first one reflecting the glass of 1 WTC on 4WTC.

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[JesseNewYorkCity]

I wish I could personally shake hands with all of the construction workers there building the new buildings.. It really means a lot :)

[animatedmartian]

Awesome!


Larry Silverstein Optimistic About Pace Of WTC Development
June 14, 2011
By Bobby Cuza
NY1 (http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/special_reports/911_a_decade_later/140983/9-11-a-decade-later--larry-silverstein-optimistic-about-pace-of-wtc-development)

After years of bickering and stalled plans at the World Trade Center site, leaseholder Larry Silverstein said Tuesday he is optimistic about the progress happening there and what it means for the future of Downtown Manhattan. NY1's Bobby Cuza filed the following report.

The power struggle is over, it seems, and now there is tangible progress at the World Trade Center site -- particularly on One World Trade Center, now 68 stories tall.

However, leaseholder Larry Silverstein of Silverstein Properties told a real estate conference Tuesday he still takes issue with the building's name. "They call it Tower 1, but for those of us who were here from the beginning, it's the Freedom Tower."

While the Port Authority is building Tower 1, Silverstein is building the other three towers, including Tower 4, which is now 32 stories.

Altogether, there is $20 billion of construction taking place at the site, and Silverstein said the high cost is in part because of safety standards that go beyond what’s required by law.

“We studied carefully and learned as a result of our study what happened on 9/11 and therefore how not to build a high-rise office building,” said Silverstein. "So the net result is, these buildings are much more costly because they’re much better buildings, much safer buildings.”

There was consensus at the Tuesday meeting that Downtown Manhattan's revival is in full bloom. The remaining point of contention was what took progress so long to get to this point, or given the site's complexity, whether it took so long at all.

"If you think about Metrotech or if you think about Battery Park City or if you think about major projects around the country, 10 years is really a short time for a major urban development," said Carl Weisbrod of the NYU Schack Institute of Real Estate.

"I still believe from a government efficiency standpoint, it would have made sense to have had less players involved. There were too many proverbial chefs in the kitchen," said Community Board 1 Chairwoman Julie Menin.

Construction on Towers 2 and 3 still depends on securing financing and tenants, but Silverstein is optimistic. "By 2016, we should be out of here. This should all be done, and it'll be an incredible advantage to Lower Manhattan," said Silverstein.

NY1 will observe progress at the World Trade Center throughout the summer from a workspace in the Millennium Hotel overlooking the site, and Bobby Cuza will file reports every night Tuesday through Thursday.


There's a video on the source website.

[Kanto]

I think someone should make a thread about confirmed and potential tenants of the WTC towers in Buildings & Architecture. Somebody who just recently came to this thread might not know about Conde Nast and UBS.

[uakoops]

Mybe NY1 can put a couple of live webcams in there for us to enjoy....

[NYCLuver]

June 15th, 2011

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[animatedmartian]

Man, today is just an awesome day for updates. Thanks for the pictures NYCLouver. :D

[jigglysquishy]

Is my math correct that the next jump will bring 1WTC above the Trump Tower and the Beekman?

Also, finally taller than Rockefeller Center!

[Fishman92]

Is my math correct that the next jump will bring 1WTC above the Trump Tower and the Beekman?

Also, finally taller than Rockefeller Center!

Yup, that's true. Beekman passing is just two weeks away, which is funny, they only just finished it and it's gunna be surpassed. Trump tower i believe has already been surpassed- there's ~1 meter difference in height between this and that.
But hey, it's in the top 10 in new york now! Which is amazing. Shame the gap between surpassing beekman and anything else will be so big.. but hey.
And 1 WTC is past the roof height of the american international building..

[Tall guy 31]

Is it me...or is there a glass panel in the top row of the last few photos a different color/shade as the rest??????

[sterlippo1]

Is it me...or is there a glass panel in the top row of the last few photos a different color/shade as the rest??????

nope, it's not you, i saw the same thing. it looks defective actually, at least to me:shrug:

[Davis137]

Very impressive sets of photos!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

how tall is it now?

[sw5710]

Yup, that's true. Beekman passing is just two weeks away, which is funny, they only just finished it and it's gunna be surpassed. Trump tower i believe has already been surpassed- there's ~1 meter difference in height between this and that.
But hey, it's in the top 10 in new york now! Which is amazing. Shame the gap between surpassing beekman and anything else will be so big.. but hey.
And 1 WTC is past the roof height of the american international building..

We are now at 857'4" to the splices on floor 70.

[jigglysquishy]

261m/856 ft

[Don098]

nope, it's not you, i saw the same thing. it looks defective actually, at least to me:shrug:

You actually see a glass pane there? I'm nearly 100% positive that the pane is simply completely missing. They probably broke it somewhere along the way, or something was wrong with it, and they're just waiting for a new one to install...

EDIT: Oh. I was thinking of some older pictures from probably the last page where it looked like a panel was missing...lol my bad. JSsocal is right, that's dust - no question

[JSsocal]

nope, it's not you, i saw the same thing. it looks defective actually, at least to me:shrug:

It just looks like dust, maybe it was at the top of the stack of panels.

[Domamania]

I am wondering and pardon my ignorance on this but, How many windex bottles and paper Towels is it going to take to clean all that glass when the facad installment is complete?
and how longs will it take to clean the whole building up?

[Traynor]

Looks like it could be a blown seal in that window. It happens from time to time on installation. The seal between the layers of glass fails and the inert gas (often argon) escapes and condensation can get between the layers.

I am surprised this seems to be the first one so far. That's pretty good for a project this size. They'll replace it in due time.

Or as JSsocal pointed out It just looks like dust, maybe it was at the top of the stack of panels. seems like a possibility too.

[Dac150]

I wasn’t aware that Citigroup was shopping for space….it’s really great to see that these bulge bracket financials have such interest in coming Downtown. The office consolidation trend seems to be gaining popularity throughout the industry. I wouldn’t be surprised if Morgan Stanley and BofA Merrill are two of those nine prospective tenants included in one of the articles.