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Ryan81

Feb 18, 2013, 9:29 PM

^^^ And people are saying the mast will look better than we have predicted. I'm trying to deal with the fact that the radome may never be installed to the antenna, but it's hard to realize that this monstrosity will top what should have been a symbolic tower for years to come. Screw the "industrial feel" crap. That was never intended. I am hoping for the outcry. Durst needs to be shunned for the rest of his life for such a stupid and greedy act.

I will reserve final judgment until the end, but this...thing...is shaping up to be far worse than I anticipated.

I wouldn't sh*t where this thing sleeps....

DesignerVoodoo

Feb 18, 2013, 10:02 PM

I will reserve final judgment until the end, but this...thing...is shaping up to be far worse than I anticipated.

I wouldn't sh*t where this thing sleeps....

I don't know how many people that comment on the spire live in Manhattan or have even seen the building in person but you need to see it in person before posting such pedestrian remarks.
I have touched the spire and watch it being installed and still I hold my comments until the building is finished.

Ryan81

Feb 18, 2013, 10:31 PM

kpdrummer82

Feb 18, 2013, 10:44 PM

I've been wondering for months why they didn't do something similar to this.

Because that looks hideous.

Dense_Electric

Feb 18, 2013, 10:47 PM

Speak for yourselves, I don't think it looks anywhere near as bad as predicted - and I'll remind you that I was screaming louder than a lot of people over the radome decision. I still can't say I'm a huge fan of it, but it's not an eyesore, either.

CityGuy87

Feb 18, 2013, 11:15 PM

The only way there will ever be a public/media outcry against Durst and the PA is if the CTBUH doesn't count it as a spire, thus decreasing the official height, because only then will people take notice. If they counted this antenna as a spire, then nobody would be the wiser. The CTBUH ruling it as an antenna is probably our best hope in seeing some sort of pressure being thrust upon Durst/PA.

GeorgiaBoy24

Feb 18, 2013, 11:24 PM

Haven't checked the forum in a while but man the progress is fantastic! :D I think the slots in the glass like great and the whole building really dominates. I'm holding off my final opinion of the spire until it is actually finished, but right now it's not terrible but does not look that great either. I guess when it's completed there will still be some of those "spheres" on the spire? I think the use of those is to hold the radome so what's the purpose of keeping them now? Looks unrefined.

DURKEY427

Feb 18, 2013, 11:33 PM

I dont think the spires that bad.

NYC=WTC

Feb 18, 2013, 11:41 PM

They dropped the ball on the spire situation. The antenna was technically meant to be covered by a fiber glass radome spire. Now they will not cover it and its basically a situation of: what u see is what u get. I hope they will reconsider putting the spire on so this building so it can be complete.

Thaniel

Feb 18, 2013, 11:48 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8098/8482626784_0e4705a067_h.jpg

I gotta say I used to absolutely loathe the tapering toward the top of the building. But I think it looks better than if it hadn't been done now. It kinda looks like it's 'still rising' with that taper effect. And from some angles you can see the building where it doesn't appear to taper so this building really has the best of both worlds in my mind.

Yankee fan for life

Feb 19, 2013, 12:00 AM

As much as i like Andrew Cuomo, he is the real person that should be blamed for the radome removal .

Kevin Scott Koepke

Feb 19, 2013, 2:11 AM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8488005636_e47a99e515_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/plasticfantasticphotography/8488005636/)
New York City; 2/18/2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/plasticfantasticphotography/8488005636/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/plasticfantasticphotography/), on Flickr

599GTO

Feb 19, 2013, 2:15 AM

I don't know how many people that comment on the spire live in Manhattan or have even seen the building in person but you need to see it in person before posting such pedestrian remarks.
I have touched the spire and watch it being installed and still I hold my comments until the building is finished.

Nah, you're just a modern New Yorker who is so used to crappy/banal/ugly/cheap buildings so you're numb to it all and don't care.

New York used to be a city of high levels of taste and great civic pride and this catastrophe would have been unimaginable in the bygone era that brought way to the (thankfully) abundant number gems we still have standing in the way of this city looking like complete hellhole.

But from someone moving to New York from Paris, I still find this....thing..on top of the tower absolutely repulsive. Would never happen in Paris with a so called 'landmark' standing on such a highly visible central location. There would be uproar but then again, they take pride in how their city looks. Such a shame the old civilized New Yorker is dead and the current trashy era doesn't give a damn.

And yes, I live in Tribeca and see this building every single day from my window. That dumpy antenna is so ugly.

Big Rooster

Feb 19, 2013, 3:40 AM

Nah, you're just a modern New Yorker who is so used to crappy/banal/ugly/cheap buildings so you're numb to it all and don't care.

New York used to be a city of high levels of taste and great civic pride and this catastrophe would have been unimaginable in the bygone era that brought way to the (thankfully) abundant number gems we still have standing in the way of this city looking like complete hellhole.

But from someone moving to New York from Paris, I still find this....thing..on top of the tower absolutely repulsive. Would never happen in Paris with a so called 'landmark' standing on such a highly visible central location. There would be uproar but then again, they take pride in how their city looks. Such a shame the old civilized New Yorker is dead and the current trashy era doesn't give a damn.

And yes, I live in Tribeca and see this building every single day from my window. That dumpy antenna is so ugly.

I don't post much on this forum, but you're referring to Paris right? So I guess when all Parisians thought the Eiffel Tower was an eyesore, that was torn down as opposed to being kept right? Must be only me who thought it is still around....

I'm not a fan of the current spire either but please think before making such asinine comments.

NYC2ATX

Feb 19, 2013, 4:24 AM

Seriously, I rarely, if at all, read the comments on here anymore. I only come to see the pictures and then dip. :uhh:

599GTO

Feb 19, 2013, 4:25 AM

I don't post much on this forum, but you're referring to Paris right? So I guess when all Parisians thought the Eiffel Tower was an eyesore, that was torn down as opposed to being kept right? Must be only me who thought it is still around....

I'm not a fan of the current spire either but please think before making such asinine comments.

I'd suggest you go back and re-read that because you clearly missed the point. And then try studying a history book.

Eiffel Tower was an art exercise. It was designed by architects and was meant to look like that. It wasn't value-engineered like the World Trade Center. Sure, some saw the Eiffel Tower as ugly but it was just a provocative building erected by a passionate developer who didn't compromise his vision, unlike the 1 WTC. Many saw the Empire State Building as ugly and out of place but that's not my point. Maurice Koechlin and Émile Nouguier, engineers of the Eiffel, would have been stopped dead in their tracks if they abruptly devised a scheme to save money and pocket profits half-way through construction by foregoing the Eiffel's riveted wrought-iron in favor of the grey cheap and unsightly material used on the 1 WTC antenna.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem as I do now if 1 WTC was designed to look like this, because if it were actually designed then it wouldn't look so horrible. The dumpy and ratty antenna does not match 1 WTC's sleek design in the slightest bit and was meant to be hidden under an architectural spire that was specifically designed by David Childs play off of 1 WTC's sleek design. This tragedy is like adding a 450ft antenna of futuristic LED lights on top of Leaning Tower of Pisa. It's stupid and makes no sense. Even that ugly antenna on top of Conde Nast's tower in Midtown actually fits with the industrial accents on that building. And to add insult to the injury - this antenna looks even older and much crummier than the antenna at the top of the original Twin Tower!

And the fact that the developer has defaced the New York skyline to make a quick buck without any uproar at all is so sad. Durst would never get away with this in any other civilized city. I think it's insulting to NYC and it's sad that you don't feel the same. And Douglas Dust doesn't even live in NYC. So the bastard raped the NYC's skyline, collected and pocketed some extra money from cost-cutting and obviously couldn't care less what the New York skyline looks like from his small town 60 miles away in Northern Westchester....and you're getting all upset because I won't just get over it and praise his work?

Durst's name is all over the design of this tower (along with David Childs) since he single-handedly and radically changed the final product with his penny-pinching. It's his tower and I think it's garbage. Congratulations on single-handedly ruining New York City's newest landmark, you disgusting asshole.

babybackribs2314

Feb 19, 2013, 5:00 AM

RobEss

Feb 19, 2013, 6:43 AM

I'd suggest you go back and re-read that because you clearly missed the point. And then try studying a history book.

Eiffel Tower was an art excercise. It was designed by architects and was meant to look like that. It wasn't value-engineered like the World Trade Center. Sure, some saw the Eiffel Tower as ugly but it was just a provocative building erected by a passionate developer who didn't compromise his vision, unlike the 1 WTC. Many saw the Empire State Building as ugly and out of place but that's not my point.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem as I do now if 1WTC was designed to look like this, but the fact that the developer has defaced the New York skyline to make a quick buck without any uproar at all is so sad. Durst would never get away with this in any other civilized city. I think it's insulting to NYC and it's sad that you don't feel the same.

I agree completely.

KevinFromTexas

Feb 19, 2013, 6:56 AM

The antenna kind of looks like a hookah. lol

mheadroom

Feb 19, 2013, 1:13 PM

Speak for yourselves...

That's all anyone has done here. Not a single user has prefaced their opinion with, "on behalf of the forum, Americans, and humanity decency in general I hate the antenna and or base and or taper."

Now in my opinion (obviously), I can't express how exhilarating it has been to see this antenna rise so quickly. After years of walking past a hole in the ground and then a painfully slow-rising building — to watch it suddenly sprout its pinnicle? It's unbelievable.

That said, as excited as I am that we're so close to completion I'm still so disappointed that David Childs' design has been so utterly compromised. Instead of being the coherent icon it was designed to be, it's now a bureaucratic mishmash of cheaper features and paranoid fortifications. Every foot the antenna grows, the more angry I become at Douglas Durst.

I thought it would be fine in the end but It looks worse than I imagined.

The base looks stupid but not horrible.

Fortunately the building itself — the cladding, shape, taper — is beautiful.

Yankee fan for life

Feb 19, 2013, 3:29 PM

I see it in person almost every day. The antenna is horrifying.

horrifying ? come on would you please stop exaggerating ! the antennae is no way that bad for such a remark to be made .

TechTalkGuy

Feb 19, 2013, 3:38 PM

The antenna kind of looks like a hookah. lol

Wow !! :uhh:

Glad I don't know anything about a "hookah" (and please don't tell me (ignorance is bliss)).

It is my hope that the circular platforms on each section of the spire to be removed when it has been fully assembled.

Those platforms might be needed for constructing other elements that is not visibly noticeable to the public.

mheadroom

Feb 19, 2013, 3:40 PM

horrifying ? come on would you please stop exaggerating ! the antennae is no way that bad for such a remark to be made .

Probably meant horrible and I agree. It looks much much worse in person. Though, I wonder if the ring will help a little.

Yankee fan for life

Feb 19, 2013, 3:56 PM

Probably meant horrible and I agree. It looks much much worse in person. Though, I wonder if the ring will help a little.

There is still a lot left of the antenna to be done the ring; the guyed wires; etc,then once it's Finnish then is when we should past judgment.

TheCap'n

Feb 19, 2013, 4:57 PM

It would be AWESOME if this forum could drop all of the rancor going back-and-forth and get back to a mature discussion about this wonderful tower. It seems like everyone is so busy being pissed off at one another, that only 10% of the posts these days are actually about construction progress. More pics and videos!! :notacrook:

Guiltyspark

Feb 19, 2013, 4:58 PM

[QUOTE=TechTalkGuy;6020365]Wow !! :uhh:

Glad I don't know anything about a "hookah" (and please don't tell me (ignorance is bliss)).

A hookah (hukkā or huqqah)[1][2] also known as a waterpipe,[3] arghile, or qalyān is a single or multi-stemmed instrument for smoking flavored tobacco called shisha in which the smoke is passed through a water basin (often glass based) before inhalation.

Anyway, I do not have a problem with 1WTC having a mast instead of a spire. My problem is that the design of this mast is very ugly due to the fact that it was meant to be covered. If it looked like like the masts on Sears or JHC then I think it would be more appropriate. But removing the covering and leaving the skeletal form on top of such a sleek building seems really inappropriate.

babybackribs2314

Feb 19, 2013, 5:17 PM

You sound very misinformed and seem to have drifted off topic because I hurt your feelings.

I'm 27, and yes the WTC is only expensive because of New York incompetence and bureaucracy. Massive fines levied on this building for missing deadlines, enormous union costs, etc. That and over-the-top security measures to protect this building against another terrorist attack. The design of the exterior has nothing to do with it. So bravo! After 11 years, confusion and incompetence, this is your big reveal! A tapered box being topped with a ratty antenna! The most expensive building in the world, ladies and gents. Lol.

Go on, keep showering paradise on this heap of shit being placed on the top of this building.

Seriously, you hit the nail on the head. This tower is emblematic of EVERYTHING that is wrong with the US today--wasteful spending with an end result that is incredibly sub-par. It's a travesty that $4 BILLION DOLLARS were spent on this stupid building.

mrnyc

Feb 19, 2013, 5:54 PM

MOR BASS!

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o725/NYCnMore/nyc/25D34675-6BE7-4A0A-9D2E-C9C12E77CBD8-6874-0000064D2305FF54_zpsa3d163d4.jpg

Empire state of mind

Feb 19, 2013, 5:58 PM

rack776

Feb 19, 2013, 6:02 PM

Since this forum is starting to sound like the squaking on the hillbilly antique auto restoration forums I check out once in awhile
.....the childish Ford vs. Chevy arguements over there are now becoming the Antenna vs. Spire rants on here.
I Guess I'll add my 2cents while the bitchin is going on.

I agree I also think we lost a "joint" on top and gained a "hooka pipe".

To me the odd bumps and tapers of the mast look odd, I dont think the
guywires will have enough thickness to distract the viewer from the goofy mast shape.

It tells the post 9/11 story perfectly....."Its not done because we ran out of money".
I prefer to think of 1WTC as being perpetually unfinished....like the unfinished bell towers on a catherdal or spanish mission.

The base glass looks good so far, I wish the tapered corners were still there, its such a massive wall of steel & concrete
I can see why the taper was put there in the first place....to add some intrest & design at street level.

I wish they would just hurry up and finish the friggin thing.

mheadroom

Feb 19, 2013, 6:11 PM

Enough!!!!!!!!! If you lost a loved one in 9/11 you wouldn't think it's a waste of money. It's a sign of hope. Welcome to America, it's a capitalist county and I'm glad they built this building to reassure America we stand united and strong. Now put aside your ambivalence and move forward with actual good quality discussions about this building.

I lost a love one and suffered with friends who also lost loved ones. I still think the PA wasted a ton of money and ruined a beautiful and thoughtfully designed building.

I'm also not going to pretend my opinion of the building is controlling because I'm one of the thousands of unlucky New Yorkers to be touched by tragedy.

If you like the antenna, good. If you like the base, good. But, please don't pretend the PA's execution of this project is infallible because it's the World Trade Center.

Also, I don't know why people seem so against complaining? I thought we were allowed to talk about our opinion on the design? Or is this forum only for "AWESOME PICTURE CARLOS!"? "EARTHCAM IS DOWN/BACK"

NYdude

Feb 19, 2013, 6:13 PM

Yeah, it's becoming annoying with all these complaints regarding the dumb antenna/spire. If they don't count it, Durst will hear a mouth full, if they do, they do. Move on already. To me, this building is amazing, regardless of what the base or spire looks like. The fact that this building got built is a miracle in itself, but either way, I love to see the Downtown skyline restored with the height. This is the resting place of thousands of people, so the tower does deserve beauty, but the power of it is there, which is important IMO.

rack776

Feb 19, 2013, 6:13 PM

You sound very misinformed and seem to have drifted off topic because I hurt your feelings.

I'm 27, and yes the WTC is only unbelievably expensive because of New York/US incompetence and bureaucracy. Massive fines levied on this building for missing deadlines, enormous union costs, etc. That and over-the-top security measures to protect this building against another terrorist attack. The design of the exterior has nothing to do with it. So bravo! After 11 years, confusion and incompetence, this is your big reveal! A tapered box being topped with a ratty antenna! The most expensive building in the world, ladies and gents. Lol.

Go on, keep showering paradise on this heap of shit being placed on the top of this building.

Right On! Why would any terrorist attack this new "fortress" when there are a million other places in the country they could cause problems at.

Even if the site was left as a park with flat dirt & grass, you'd have wackos protesting or getting into trouble there. Idiots mess everything up.

So sad to see this is what we waited for, 2 out of 4 towers, no museum, and perpetual construction.

mrnyc

Feb 19, 2013, 6:14 PM

wait, why is anyone still debating spire vs antenna? i thought we dodged, i mean compromised to call it a mast.

deepen915

Feb 19, 2013, 6:17 PM

JUST STOP THE ANTENNA/SPIRE/MAST NONSENSE!

Enjoy the new WTC tower for what it is.. as much as we're frustrated at the lack of Radome, etc. It's not happening!

O-tacular

Feb 19, 2013, 6:19 PM

There is still a lot left of the antenna to be done the ring; the guyed wires; etc,then once it's Finnish then is when we should past judgment.

I'm sorry but unless this was autocorrected on your iPhone I can't take seriously the opinion of someone who mistakes finishing something with a Norse Culture.

TechTalkGuy

Feb 19, 2013, 6:34 PM

Just give this tower to Donald Trump (http://www.trump.com/Donald_J_Trump/Biography.asp) and I would be pleased with his name in gold at the base with a golden spire at the top in the shape of a "T" for Trump (http://www.trump.com) !! :haha:

islandxtreme26

Feb 19, 2013, 6:48 PM

"One WTC has some of the world’s largest elevator motors tipping in at 50,000 pounds each."

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/16405_435265746550669_1931463052_n.jpg

Courtesy of WTC Progress on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=435265746550669&set=a.133475800063000.32624.109423129134934&type=1&theater)

Thaniel

Feb 19, 2013, 6:50 PM

wait, why is anyone still debating spire vs antenna? i thought we dodged, i mean compromised to call it a mast.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8473913913_8911c23616_b.jpg

Well, in that case...
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/12227026/1024/Anonymous/Mast.jpg

PhillyToNYC

Feb 19, 2013, 9:51 PM

This is quite possibly the most out of order and disrespectful thread I have ever seen. People have opinions. Whether or not you agree with them is up to you. Does that mean that they are wrong for not thinking exactly what you were? No, it doesn't. How many of you are sitting at a desk, nowhere near New York City, and will most likely never see the tower? Seriously, if it really looked that bad (which my own, personal opinion, which I am entitled to, says it does not) how much would it impact your life? Do you wake up everyday and think, "I'm going to just give up on everything if this mast looks bad"? Try not to take yourself too seriously. It's a building, and a piece of metal on top of said building. Get over it.

NYguy

Feb 19, 2013, 10:04 PM

People have opinions. Whether or not you agree with them is up to you. How many of you are sitting at a desk, nowhere near New York City, and will most likely never see the tower?

Exactly. So if people are outraged over what was allowed to happen here, they have a right to be. It doesn't matter if they've never seen it, or probably will never see it. Lots of people never saw the original towers, but they were right to be outraged over what happened to them.

Durst needs to be shunned for the rest of his life for such a stupid and greedy act.

Durst won't be shunned. They'll take credit for getting the Freedom Tower leased - a building mind you they didn't want built - and it's business as usual.

The only way there will ever be a public/media outcry against Durst and the PA is if the CTBUH doesn't count it as a spire, thus decreasing the official height, because only then will people take notice.

People generally don't care enough about those things, even Daniel Libeskind hasn't cried about it in a long time. Most people probably never knew what the spire was supposed to look like, and will complain about what was built, adding it to a list of things done "wrong", not knowing it wasn't supposed to be that way. What we are seeing wasn't intended to be visible at all.

ajb's pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chekako/8487064915/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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Nexis4Jersey

Feb 19, 2013, 11:52 PM

My WTC picture from Yesterday

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8238/8490152244_daccb930ac_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8490152244/)
067 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8490152244/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8239/8490152158_338e153fbf_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8490152158/)
072 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8490152158/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 2:03 AM

Personally, I like this building. :tup:
It's one of my favorites right now in fact. ;)

I can't wait to see how the base looks when the fins are in place! :)
I wonder if it will resemble the shiny exterior of 7 WTC?

NYdude

Feb 20, 2013, 2:06 AM

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 2:36 AM

:cop: It's time for a forum reset. :cop:
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This is what it's about!

UrbanImpressionist

Feb 20, 2013, 2:37 AM

Ugh. I wanted to be positive and hope that only the awful CIRCULAR communication ring atop a RECTANGULAR building (even without any smooth transition between the two) would be the only design travesty. :no:

Now it looks like the damn gaudy Tokyo Sky Tree is sitting atop this beautiful building making it a full blown aesthetic tragedy.

http://aroundtokyo.net/blog/wp-content/gallery/hanami/dscf42771-11.jpg

NYC GUY

Feb 20, 2013, 2:43 AM

Soo to get off topic it looks like they've almost completely squared off the south east section of the base. I'm assuming base cladding resumes tomorow.

-Filipe-

Feb 20, 2013, 2:49 AM

:multibow:

Jonboy1983

Feb 20, 2013, 3:22 AM

I will just say this, The base is looking fantastic, and I can't believe how tall the spire has gotten already. I can't wait to see this thing finished. I've stated my opposition earlier on at the whole design change, but I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. My bickering about this is over, and I wish some others would follow suit...

JordanCam

Feb 20, 2013, 3:32 AM

I was wondering what the process is for closing the roof of the building. will the roof be flat or slightly curved and will the communication ring be installed once the roof is totally closed or as they close it.

Matt

Feb 20, 2013, 3:34 AM

We must be getting pretty close to the topping out ceremony. When is it supposed to happen?

jjmmagoo

Feb 20, 2013, 3:36 AM

I lost a love one and suffered with friends who also lost loved ones. I still think the PA wasted a ton of money and ruined a beautiful and thoughtfully designed building.

I'm also not going to pretend my opinion of the building is controlling because I'm one of the thousands of unlucky New Yorkers to be touched by tragedy.

If you like the antenna, good. If you like the base, good. But, please don't pretend the PA's execution of this project is infallible because it's the World Trade Center.

Also, I don't know why people seem so against complaining? I thought we were allowed to talk about our opinion on the design? Or is this forum only for "AWESOME PICTURE CARLOS!"? "EARTHCAM IS DOWN/BACK"

Well said! Having lost a family member as well, I agree with you completely!

texcolo

Feb 20, 2013, 3:38 AM

Have they decided how to clad the base yet???

chris123678

Feb 20, 2013, 3:55 AM

Have they decided how to clad the base yet???

Base cladding has already began and is well underway.

Roadcruiser1

Feb 20, 2013, 4:36 AM

We must be getting pretty close to the topping out ceremony. When is it supposed to happen?

The building is already topped out. Topping out means it was completed structurally. It already is. The antenna is not part of the structure.

bigreach

Feb 20, 2013, 4:44 AM

We must be getting pretty close to the topping out ceremony. When is it supposed to happen?

With 1800 posts, figured you were being sarcastic, there never once was a "real" ceremony, you had 1 afternoon where, Obama signed a beam that will likley be buried, and maybe a 1 min news clip when it topped out "months" ago. There was far more coverage when it passed ESB, and it didn't have an official top-out ceremony like WTC4.

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 5:37 AM

We must be getting pretty close to the topping out ceremony. When is it supposed to happen?

One World Trade Center topped out on August 30, 2012.
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StrongIsland

Feb 20, 2013, 6:53 AM

The antenna is not part of the structure.

I don't think that was ruled yet...

Sioux City

Feb 20, 2013, 7:41 AM

From the Tribeca Trib:
http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/1-wtcs-bomb-proof-base-gets-shiny-green-skin

Open the slideshow full-screen.

NYguy

Feb 20, 2013, 8:01 AM

I'll say this one final time for those that dont seem to get it. Everyone is allowed to state an opinion of this tower, love it or hate it. If you dont agree, and are somehow hurt because of it, hit the "x" at the top. What you WON'T do is insult others. I hope we are clear, because that's a warning for everyone.

Tectonic

Feb 20, 2013, 9:39 AM

People are very emotional about this building. It's just a building, because in the end it still boils down to $ & ¢. No physical component of the site will match what some lost and sacrificed on 911.

NYguy

Feb 20, 2013, 1:38 PM

This particular skyscraper is more significant than any other building (that helped push up the costs), even more significant than other towers being built around the site. It's why then governor Pataki insisted it be the first tower built, even though it wasn't intended to be. The symbolism of this building is heavy. And it is a building, just no ordinary one.

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mheadroom

Feb 20, 2013, 1:54 PM

The European-made glass, each piece measuring 13 feet 4 inches by two feet, has a special coating that absorbs sunlight while trapping minimal amounts of heat. Once the installation is complete, the glass will form a shiny skin around the the protective concrete walls of the base.

Oh-la-la! European-made glass.

Eosterwine

Feb 20, 2013, 2:56 PM

lol.... the crane installing the Antenna/Spire looks better than the Spire/Antenna.

aquablue

Feb 20, 2013, 3:50 PM

lol.... the crane installing the Antenna/Spire looks better than the Spire/Antenna.

Sure.

deepen915

Feb 20, 2013, 4:38 PM

They are going to paint the spire White i'm hoping? RIGHT? b/c it looks nasty right now.

O-tacular

Feb 20, 2013, 4:43 PM

I don't think so. What you see is what you get. Just wait for the rust to start showing.

NewYorque

Feb 20, 2013, 5:18 PM

Hey, please stop with the polemic of antenna.

It will always be possible to modify the tower, and to add a radome on it, sooner or later.

Just look at the original 1WTC, who received her antenna years after her completion.

I just don't get why everyone is having polemic. A spire, or antenna, is just a decoration. An accessory.
The TRUE tower, ends at 417 meters high.

As I'm from Paris, I can tell you that the Eiffel tower's antenna has been changed many many times these last 100 years. And nobody cares.

rack776

Feb 20, 2013, 5:50 PM

One World Trade Center topped out on August 30, 2012.
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I wonder if they will update the official "ONE" logo
with the "new" spire shape in the O?:shrug:

What a cluster@#$% of a project.
I watched them carry the ball to the 99 yard line and then just drop it.

Can anyone local post more base photos?
That part I would not mind seeing more of.

TheCap'n

Feb 20, 2013, 5:59 PM

I don't think so. What you see is what you get. Just wait for the rust to start showing.

It won't be white, but they did do some type of industrial galvanizing spray to prevent corrosion and rust.

mheadroom

Feb 20, 2013, 6:00 PM

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 6:11 PM

I love reading everyone's opinions on the spire that some refer to as an "antenna" or a "mast". ;)

It is in my belief that the purpose of the spire is to add a unique ornamental quality addition to this building.

Like a party hat, but without the balloons or streamers. Rather, just an attractive pole that serves no functional purpose, but to be pleasing to the eye.

If you do not find this quality objective reaching this target goal, then perhaps some of you could help fund the resources so a better fixture could be added? :shrug:

Yankee fan for life

Feb 20, 2013, 6:32 PM

Does anybody know when the last sections of the mast will be delivered?

vandelay

Feb 20, 2013, 6:43 PM

Will that pole structure have any broadcasting capability or will it be strictly ornamental?

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 7:17 PM

Will that pole structure have any broadcasting capability or will it be strictly ornamental?

From my understanding, a communications ring will be constructed just above the roof.

That's the reason I call this a spire and not an antenna. ;)

mheadroom

Feb 20, 2013, 7:58 PM

Perhaps some of you could help fund the resources so a better fixture could be added? :shrug:

This is actually a brilliant idea. We'd have to raise more than the $20 million since we'd need a design that reflects the realities of a retrofit. We'd also need to partner with the PA, which will suck. But, what an exciting Kickstater that would be.

Also I can't find the post but in response to the Yankee Fan's question, the antenna will have broadcast equipment on it. In addition to the microwave transmitters on the ring. It was discussed at length in this thread I believe. Page 1380ish?

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 8:28 PM

This is actually a brilliant idea. We'd have to raise more than the $20 million since we'd need a design that reflects the realities of a retrofit. We'd also need to partner with the PA, which will suck. But, what an exciting Kickstater that would be.

Also I can't find the post but in response to the Yankee Fan's question, the antenna will have broadcast equipment on it. In addition to the microwave transmitters on the ring. It was discussed at length in this thread I believe. Page 1380ish?

This is very interesting and I am not doubting your claim on the concept of how the ornamental structure was supporting additional communication electronics.

The ornamental structure, (spire, antenna, mast, toothpick, flagpole, etc.) was changed to save some cash.

Perhaps we can somehow initiate a fundraising effort on behalf of the citizens of the city, then we should start from the top -- let's see if the President of the United States (http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/president-obama) would be willing to help fund this initiative. :shrug:

I know that everyone posting here will contribute, based on the amount of posts in the past 24 hours, we should raise millions! :runaway:

-Filipe-

Feb 20, 2013, 8:52 PM

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 9:02 PM

ok i have a question..

how could this be an antenna if they say there going to add antenna to this.. how would they add an antenna onto another antenna? clearly this has to be a part of the building and not an antenna, because antennas will be added to it?

correct? lol

Correct. :)
The communications ring will be built to support the communications, while the spire will reach an historic height of 1,776 feet to signify our freedom.

Additional components added onto the spire will not change my opinion. ;)

TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 9:09 PM

This tower was not originally on my favorites list of construction sites because I have always felt that the original twin towers should have been rebuilt stronger and taller to the height of 2,001 feet to remind us of the year of the attack.

The reason I like this tower now is because it is turning out very well.
I am pleased with the visual appeal (although I do prefer art deco designs as seen throughout the city).

In my humble opinion, if they are going to add something on the top, it should be a statue or something.

Trust me, this is not the ugliest looking tower in the city.
Just compare this to the NY Times Tower and tell me how you feel about the prison bars and toothpick spire that cheats its way to surpass the Chrysler building in height.

Guiltyspark

Feb 20, 2013, 9:38 PM

ok i have a question..

how could this be an antenna if they say there going to add antenna to this.. how would they add an antenna onto another antenna? clearly this has to be a part of the building and not an antenna, because antennas will be added to it?

correct? lol

People are using the term antenna instead of mast. But what they mean by an antenna is a structure that is used to support communications equipment (like the one on top of the ESB unlike a true spire which is purely ornamental (like on top of Chrysler). Understand?

Kevin Scott Koepke

Feb 20, 2013, 9:52 PM

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TechTalkGuy

Feb 20, 2013, 9:55 PM

:previous: That's what I call a talented photographer! :tup:

Thank you, Kevin Scott Koepke! ;)

kpdrummer82

Feb 21, 2013, 12:50 AM

:previous: That's what I call a talented photographer! :tup:

Thank you, Kevin Scott Koepke! ;)

you can say that again!

TechTalkGuy

Feb 21, 2013, 5:19 AM

These photos are not exactly new, but they serve as a reminder of why we're here:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/wtc091012/s_w13_RTR2QAJF.jpg

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/wtc091012/s_w10_RTR2ZS64.jpg

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http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/wtc091012/s_w33_02035276.jpg
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hunser

Feb 21, 2013, 1:03 PM

I'm beginning to miss the black netting lol...

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Scrapernab2

Feb 21, 2013, 1:39 PM

An new pictures of the base cladding progress? I can't really see it clearly on the web-cams.

Traynor

Feb 21, 2013, 2:16 PM

StrongIsland

Feb 21, 2013, 2:37 PM

There have been so many back and forths about the observation levels and restaurant (which is no more) that I have forgotten where we have been left.

Which level will be the Public Observation Level and what is the latest plan for the other space, if any?

http://i.imgur.com/xIKip04.jpg

Level 100-102 are all observation now...there will be some type of food there as well but we don't know what yet or who will run it.

Design-mind

Feb 21, 2013, 4:48 PM

Speaking of the observation decks. Does anyone have any idea when they are slated to open. Will it be before they finish the office floors or after?

OptimumPx

Feb 21, 2013, 5:08 PM

Speaking of the observation decks. Does anyone have any idea when they are slated to open. Will it be before they finish the office floors or after?

Last I heard they're aiming for summer 2014, but they haven't picked the actual operator yet...so that could be pushed back.

rack776

Feb 21, 2013, 6:21 PM

I love the shots of the tall vertical gap in the windows where the service elevator is now gone....It looks like a big glass jacket being zippered up:tup:
The vents at the top also looking very nice, adds some visual detail, I had my doubts about that part looking so good.

Does anyone know if any of the lower glassed in floors are currently being fitted out & totally finished or are they waiting for
the entire exterior to be completed before adding finish paint, carpet, signs etc.?

I agree after a year or so it looks kind of funny with out the black netting at the top to show where the work is being done LOL!

CClaudio21

Feb 21, 2013, 6:39 PM

Even though I wish they had kept the radome, I am very excited and pleased by what the building looks like now. Can't wait to see it completed.

SFContributor

Feb 21, 2013, 7:32 PM

Even though the cladding isn't finished and the mast is still being erected, is interior work being done for offices and furnishings yet?

kpdrummer82

Feb 21, 2013, 8:18 PM

An new pictures of the base cladding progress? I can't really see it clearly on the web-cams.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8101/8496183646_f0eacca9cb_b.jpg

NewYorkDominates

Feb 22, 2013, 12:12 AM

1WTC at 0:09

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IntoTheLens827

Feb 22, 2013, 12:57 AM

N830MH

Feb 22, 2013, 1:27 AM

Even though I wish they had kept the radome, I am very excited and pleased by what the building looks like now. Can't wait to see it completed.

I agree with you. I can't wait to be completely. I am looking forward to it.

Last I heard they're aiming for summer 2014, but they haven't picked the actual operator yet...so that could be pushed back.

Right, if they doesn't finished the construction. If those date is subject to change. If they will pick the exact date is that. If they have a official date is being release.

Try to be more patiently. Give it some time.

IntoTheLens827

Feb 22, 2013, 4:00 AM

NYguy

Feb 22, 2013, 4:32 AM

A spire, or antenna, is just a decoration. An accessory.As I'm fr om Paris, I can tell you that the Eiffel tower's antenna has been changed many many times these last 100 years. And nobody cares.

Yes, a spire is a decoration. Which is why so many people have commented about just how horrible this one looks. And I don't think we have to discuss the difference in towers, which is obvious.

If you do not find this quality objective reaching this target goal, then perhaps some of you could help fund the resources so a better fixture could be added? :shrug:

Thanks, but I'll pass. I haven't contributed to the design and construction of towers I ldo like, and don't find it necessary to do here. It's being built, and it I don't like it, I don't like it. I'll call it what it is. They have the ability to build it the was always intended.

how could this be an antenna if they say there going to add antenna to this.. how would they add an antenna onto another antenna? clearly this has to be a part of the building and not an antenna, because antennas will be added to it? correct? lol

Durst has been misleading about many things, but when they say this antenna will serve as the main broadcasting source to Conde Nast's backup, I believe it. This is no ornamental spire. If they didn't need to build it, they entire thing would have been scrapped. There would be no need for so much maintenance up that high in the first place.

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