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[Jaystang5]

2WTC doesn't quite have the same level of bomb-proofness that 1WTC does, which is why it was an appealing building for some federal agencies. The feds are also looking to slash headcount in the next few years, so they probably won't need the space.

That's the most wtf question for me at that site, its like only 1 WTC will be a high priority bomb target?? Or, surely, the cost involving?

[jd3189]

I got a question. Who here has a YouTube Account and(but optional) focuses on One World Trade Center's construction?

[JesseNewYorkCity]

Just a quick question, but is WTC 7 lit up tonight?

[Alliance]

Looking out my window....

No. Its not.

[patrick989]

I looked on the live WTC construction cam and yeah, 7 WTC is lit on top.

[JesseNewYorkCity]

Sooo.. Which one is it? LOL

[Mr Man]

A little off topic maybe but is there a list of tenants in the freedom tower? What percentage of the space has already been leased?

[patrick989]

Sooo.. Which one is it? LOL

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html

Self-sufficiency seems to be a lost art these days.

[sterlippo1]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65951873@N08/6025524632/

[marvelfannumber1]

2WTC doesn't quite have the same level of bomb-proofness that 1WTC does, which is why it was an appealing building for some federal agencies. The feds are also looking to slash headcount in the next few years, so they probably won't need the space.

I guess terrorists know what their next target is then (sigh) :( (hope that will never happen)

[sterlippo1]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6061/6025524632_59b9d10660_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6208/6028863326_446f2517c3_z.jpg

[CoolCzech]

That's the most wtf question for me at that site, its like only 1 WTC will be a high priority bomb target?? Or, surely, the cost involving?

It may be because they didn't want the entire complex to have bunker-like bases.

[CarlosV]

Current height
Level 78
@ 975 feet

801 feet to go!!!!




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DSC_1833 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6028567529/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[Brian Dino Vabec]

August 8th, RoldanTTLB, WNY..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6025109513_35256cbd27_b.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6025109513_35256cbd27_b.jpg

[NYguy]

A little off topic maybe but is there a list of tenants in the freedom tower? What percentage of the space has already been leased?

There's the China Center, Conde Nast, reduced government offices..
what's remaining are mostly higher floors, some of which Durst will leave off the market untol rents return to normal.

[Brian Dino Vabec]

August 8th, ZippyTheChimp, WNY..

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6767/wtc344c.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/wtc344c.jpg/

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/60/wtc343c.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/wtc343c.jpg/

[CarlosV]

Dino, last pic so imposing!! I might go today and tale a look!!!

[Brian Dino Vabec]

Dino, last pic so imposing!! I might go today and tale a look!!!

It's huge..And looks like tapering isn't that obvious as I thought it will be from that angle..Looks great..:tup:

[yankeesfan1000]

Awesome updates as usual. It's amazing to think tower 4 will be this tall when it's done, and it's obviously the shortest of the bunch. Really puts the scale of all of these into perspective. Been too long since LM had 1000+ footers.

Anyway, won't have to wait long until NYC gets another super tall!

[CarlosV]

can't wait to see my view one year from now!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6029336332_cb2e74b79e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6029336332/)
DSC_1834 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6029336332/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr


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DSC_1826 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6028562927/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

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DSC_1837 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6028805583/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[justmehere]

as usual your pics are as informative as before Carlos V.
we can even see the lifting of the blue panels and the side crane.:cheers:
@ 78th floor does it becomes the highest now?

[sw5710]

Floor 78 = 960'
Floor 79 = 973'8'
Floor 80 = 1,000'
Floor 81 = 1,013'4''
Add 4' or 5' for column splices.
These are the next 2 jumps.

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6028961897_7206163d27_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6028961897/)
lower manhattan; 2002. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6028961897/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Just a reminder on how far we've come, so close to the tenth anniversary of September 11th, and how much Lower Manhattan has grown since then...

[Yankee fan for life]

Floor 78 = 960'
Floor 79 = 973'8'
Floor 80 = 1,000'
Floor 81 = 1,013'4''
Add 4' or 5' for column splices.
These are the next 2 jumps.

I think you chart is a little off from what i heard 1 wtc wont hit a 1000 ft until the 81 floor which you make it 1003 feet, but i could be wrong there is no grantee that a single column be be added for every floor

[Brian Dino Vabec]

This is how things are standing now from Carlos's terrace..Thanks for letting me use your photo..;)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2834/etrze.jpg
Do not repost without asking Carlos and me..

[Guiltyspark]

When I first saw the design for I WTC I was not a fan. It seemed a little out of date compared to structures going up around the world. While I was looking at some diagrams of cancelled projects in New York, I noticed that I WTC is basically a slightly updated version of the 1999 proposal for the New York Stock Exchange Tower. That being said, I think the cladding of I WTC is beautiful, and the tower itself will really give lower Manhattan some much needed height. I think New York suffers because it has so many towers that are nearly the same height. I WTC will be a great supertall. Overall I give it an A-. :)

[sterlippo1]

Brian, that is amazing! That is the best to date that i have seen giving us perspective on how tall these monsters are going to be especially compared to whats around, great stuff:tup:

[Tall guy 31]

Brian, that is amazing! That is the best to date that i have seen giving us perspective on how tall these monsters are going to be especially compared to whats around, great stuff:tup:


Ditto!!!!!

[pnapp1]

Looks like they are finally installing that missing piece of the curtain wall.

Image via: KPITV Cam. http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm
http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_2011-08-10.jpg :tup:

[Dave84]

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2834/etrze.jpg
Do not repost without asking Carlos and me..

:multibow well done dino! Thats spot on, just how it will look from carlos's viewing area! I bet he can't wait to look outside and seen that everyday.

[MadGnome]

Floor 78 = 960'
Floor 79 = 973'8'
Floor 80 = 1,000'
Floor 81 = 1,013'4''
Add 4' or 5' for column splices.
These are the next 2 jumps.

Floor 79 is 26'4" tall?

[patrick989]

I was just on the WTC live camera, and saw a really bizarre screen capture.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa53/patrickbnyc/crow.jpg

Is that a crow??

[Zapatan]

Floor 79 is 26'4" tall?

nah he skipped one, floor 81 is 1000 feet not floor 80

[Traynor]

I was just on the WTC live camera, and saw a really bizarre screen capture.

Is that a crow??

LOL No that is a pigeon.

:haha:

[JesseNewYorkCity]

I want to talk about that "N" thats going to be on top of the spire.. Why is it there and will it light up?

[pnapp1]

I want to talk about that "N" thats going to be on top of the spire.. Why is it there and will it light up?

There isn't going to be an N at the top. The light beacon will flash Morse code for the letter N for New York.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

I want to talk about that "N" thats going to be on top of the spire.. Why is it there and will it light up?

There wont be an actual N, the Spire light beam with flash N in more code from time to time for New York.

[STR]

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8095/e101.jpg

[scooterboy]

That pic by Dino of carlos view in when its finished is incredible:tup: New york skyline gets better and better

[patrick989]

There wont be an actual N, the Spire light beam with flash N in more code from time to time for New York.

I find it a little odd. If it's gonna flash an N, why not go ahead flash the Y and C also?

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

I find it a little odd. If it's gonna flash an N, why not go ahead flash the Y and C also?

Id say its probably due to the programming or something. cost efficiency on a technological level perhaps?

[Davidsam52]

This is how things are standing now from Carlos's terrace..Thanks for letting me use your photo..;)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2834/etrze.jpg
Do not repost without asking Carlos and me..

VERY COOL Overlay! Thanks! BTW definitely no "cheater" column this time!

[Davidsam52]

I was just on the WTC live camera, and saw a really bizarre screen capture.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa53/patrickbnyc/crow.jpg

Is that a crow??

That would be a crow:tup:

[CarlosV]

This is how things are standing now from Carlos's terrace..Thanks for letting me use your photo..;)


OH MY GOD...stunning work man!!!!! i cant wait! I'll fly you out here to celebrate!!
haha :cheers:

[RoyalOil]

Sweet render for Carlos's view Dino!

[animatedmartian]

From WTC's Twitter...

https://twitter.com/#!/WTCProgress
http://p.twimg.com/AWgw6Y8CIAAcHCd.jpg:large
http://t.co/mwGFz3Z

http://p.twimg.com/AWgwN_KCEAA-FDz.jpg:large
http://t.co/bjj5toP

http://p.twimg.com/AWgv6jcCAAIcypl.jpg:large
http://t.co/qXWVS5m

http://a.yfrog.com/img737/2914/54947240.jpg
http://yfrog.com/kh54947240j

[Otie]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6147/6026884709_f3aae87453_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6026884709/)
New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6026884709/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

[JesseNewYorkCity]

Why in the world is "ISLAND" written on the inside of the window??

[CarlosV]

7 WTC back in business!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6146/6031092344_529a46cabd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6031092344/)
DSC_1851 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6031092344/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[CarlosV]

Otie, how do they raise the external crane?

[Otie]

Why in the world is "ISLAND" written on the inside of the window??
I'll say it's advertising from the fireproofing company Island International Enterprises (http://www.islandcompanies.com/island-international-enterprises/).

[NYguy]

From WTC's Twitter...

https://twitter.com/#!/WTCProgress

http://p.twimg.com/AWgwN_KCEAA-FDz.jpg:large
http://t.co/bjj5toP


With views like that, this building will sell itself.

[Otie]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6070/6027393214_c68fe414e7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6027393214/)
New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6027393214/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr


Otie, how do they raise the external crane?

Hey man, I'm not an engineer so I rather prefer someone else answers your question at a detailed level, better than what I'm capable to explain.

[KN.]

With views like that, this building will sell itself.

You do know that view is only going to be there for a few years at best.

Tenants from 2WTC will be experiencing that view.

[CarlosV]

Hey man, I'm not an engineer so I rather prefer someone else answers your question at a detailed level, better than what I'm capable to explain.

LOL fair enough! It must be very challenging anyways just to hoist it up as the tower grows.

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DSC_1825 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6028561967/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[steve1young]

LOL fair enough! It must be very challenging anyways just to hoist it up as the tower grows.

Carlos, If I am remembering this correctly ... I think there's a way in which it utilizes its own crane machinery to actually raise itself, but not sure of the exact details.

[steve1young]

Otie, Your pics are great! I hope you'll post the other one on here that you already posted on that ... uhm ... other site. Great stuff.

[RoyalOil]

Otie, how do they raise the external crane?

Just like any other tower crane. However, I am not sure how they do it when the platform under the crane needs to be raised.

[animatedmartian]

Dan Nguyen @ New York City (http://www.flickr.com/people/zokuga/)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6065/6030538679_1d25474a45_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6030538679/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6082/6031093262_2b5ab6a88f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6031093262/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6083/6030535017_c02446ec3d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6030535017/)

:previous:
I'm starting to really like this angle.

[sterlippo1]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6193/6031503597_664eca2886_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6128/6031505195_bfa4565340_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6137/6031506613_941f47040f_z.jpg

[sw5710]

Yes. I was off.

Now at floor 78-960' or 964' to column splices.
Floor 79 = 973'4''
Floor 80 = 986'8'' or 990'8'' to column splices.
Floor 81 = 1,000'
Floor 82 = 1013'4'' or 1017'4'' to splices.

[Otie]

Otie,I hope you'll post the other one on here that you already posted on that ... uhm ... other site.

this?
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/6026888521_31e371cfa9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6026888521/)
New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6026888521/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

+ PANYNJ (http://twitter.com/#!/wtcprogress) on Twitter

http://p.twimg.com/AWgwVqwCIAEKr8I.jpg
"Finishing the 20th floor bathroom in T1"

[OptimumPx]

+ PANYNJ (http://twitter.com/#!/wtcprogress) on Twitter

http://p.twimg.com/AWgwVqwCIAEKr8I.jpg
"Finishing the 20th floor bathroom in T1"

I guess it's silly of me, but it never even crossed my mind that they would already be building the interior on the lower floors.

Awesome! :tup:

[NYguy]

You do know that view is only going to be there for a few years at best.

Tenants from 2WTC will be experiencing that view.

That's only one of many views (plural in case you didn't catch it). And yes, tower 2 will be in that view.

[Fishman92]

Id say its probably due to the programming or something. cost efficiency on a technological level perhaps?

That shouldn't be a problem. All they need to do is make a very simple circuit with a pc chip or something, program it to turn the lights on and off, just on a large scale. It shouldn't be hard, and to program would take literally 5 minutes. So, I think they are A: just being lazy or B: want to keep t 'simple'.

[WesleyTack]

Is it possible people will already be working in it while construction is still going on at the top floors?

[JesseNewYorkCity]

Is it possible people will already be working in it while construction is still going on at the top floors?

No/Yes. Elevators need to be working and they need access to any floors people will be working on. People will be putting their stuff in their offices and getting them prepared; I'm pretty sure.

[Brian Dino Vabec]

Is it possible people will already be working in it while construction is still going on at the top floors?

It is possible, but not in this project..The site is too complex and construction is going on on all 4 sides..No space for people goin' in and out all day..Not safe too..Plus, the lobby is not even close to be done yet..

[steve1young]

this?

that

:worship:

[Brian Dino Vabec]

OH MY GOD...stunning work man!!!!! i cant wait! I'll fly you out here to celebrate!!
haha :cheers:

I'm actually having in mind to go see the opening in 2013 with my friends..If there will be any special event..Those plans are pretty serious, so probably this is how it's gonna be..:D We'll see when 2013. comes..:cheers:

Carlos, If I am remembering this correctly ... I think there's a way in which it utilizes its own crane machinery to actually raise itself, but not sure of the exact details.

Yes, the crane rises itself, that's true..But how, I think I saw something about that, but I'm not sure what exactly..I think that crane hook himself somewhere on the tower and start pulling itself up..It just slides on the rails attached on the tower..

[Brian Dino Vabec]

From wtc.com

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2050/ghfgy.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/s/wtc-construction-1-world-trade-center?sid=1

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/439/1440201108041wtccreditj.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/s/wtc-construction-1-world-trade-center?sid=1

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1296/dasdasp.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/s/construction-wtc-site-overview?sid=1

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2320/143720110805wtcoverview.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/s/construction-wtc-site-overview?sid=1

[Brian Dino Vabec]

August 10th, lofter1, WNY..

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_1.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_2.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_3.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_4.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_5.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_6.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/110810_1WTCBroome_7.jpg

All from http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3672&page=733

[NYguy]

Is it possible people will already be working in it while construction is still going on at the top floors?

Possible and likely.

BTW, for anyone interested, there is an article at www.tvnewscheck.com that details Durst's efforts to lure the tv broadcasters back to the site and why it may or may not happen.

[shakman]

I guess it's silly of me, but it never even crossed my mind that they would already be building the interior on the lower floors.

Awesome! :tup:

Very typical with skyscrapers. If elevators and MEP are isolated for different types of uses, then skyscrapers can be partially occupied and functional while under construction. An excellent example of such is Trump Tower in Chicago. The hotel portion opened for business before the skyscraper was topped off.

[RockMont]

The vanities in that mcokup washroom look real nice, and no it is not all that unusual at all for the interiors to be completed on oh about the lower third of floors while the bones of the upper floors are still being constructed especially in buildings as tall as this.

[OptimumPx]

That's only one of many views (plural in case you didn't catch it). And yes, tower 2 will be in that view.

What I don't like is that tower 2 will also mostly (or completely) block that view from the observation deck as well. :(

[Traynor]

What I don't like is that tower 2 will also mostly (or completely) block that view from the observation deck as well. :(

I know I'll get a slew of reasons why it "Must Be This Way" to this remark and I also know that they are invalid, considering this whole area was a blank slate 10 years ago...

I never understood why they didn't switch where 2WTC and the Hub are going to be. There are several reasons why it would have been better.

1) It would have preserved that view of the Brooklyn Bridge for the 1WTC observation deck.

2) The diagonal stagger of 1WTC and 2WTC (if it were the Hub will be) would better mimic the original staggers of the Twins. Better replicating the classic view from Brooklyn that so many people are upset will not be. Furthermore, 2WTC would not block 1WTC from so many of the "classic" vantage points.

3) The Hub would be in a more pituresque and "Classic" viewline down Fulton Street, with its "Wings" towering over the trees of St.Paul's Chappel.

4) The Hub would not be squeezed between such tall towers. The Hub would be reflected in 1WTC and 2WTC such that when standing at Vesey and Church you would get an almost 360 degree view of its architecture.

5) The placement of 2WTC where the Hub will be still preserves the stepdown effect from 1WTC that so many people seem to crave.

[CarlosV]

TheCrimsonChin
Carlos, I hope you own that place? Wouldn't wanna get kicked out by the landlord just before is finished



ha ha that would suck!


no lonely column.....yet

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[Roadcruiser1]

Hey if it's possible at least Philippe Petit can string some sort of wire between the new 1 & 2 WTC and tightrope it. LOL

[NYguy]

What I don't like is that tower 2 will also mostly (or completely) block that view from the observation deck as well. :(

There's a nice rendering of that as well. Don't know if you ever made it up in the original, but the proximity of the other tower enhanced the view.

[OptimumPx]

There's a nice rendering of that as well. Don't know if you ever made it up in the original, but the proximity of the other tower enhanced the view.Sadly I never got the chance to go back then. First trip was in '08.

I know it'll be neat to be so close to another tower at almost the same level, but I would like seeing that famous view of the Brooklyn Bridge too.

Oh well, can't have everything. :shrug:

[Onn]

From wtc.com

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1296/dasdasp.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/s/construction-wtc-site-overview?sid=1


4WTC is going to make a mockery of everything else on the site, you could land a plane on that! :slob:

[sterlippo1]

^^^ lol, but it's still a stud building:yes:

[Servo]

4WTC is going to make a mockery of everything else on the site, you could land a plane on that! :slob:

I think the perspective makes it look bigger than it is. Not say it's small, but it does (from other pictures) look slender compared to how the renderings made it appear.

[justmehere]

Otie, how do they raise the external crane?

they called it the sliding crane. it has its own tracks that alternates from bottom to top.
so the crane slide up.
it is quite innovative eh::banana:

[Otie]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6030889157_35483596b3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/boscdanjou/6030889157/)
Busy spot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/boscdanjou/6030889157/) by Bosc d'Anjou (http://www.flickr.com/people/boscdanjou/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/6025650853_94a010db79_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27963340@N00/6025650853/)
20110809_003041.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27963340@N00/6025650853/) by stvtron (http://www.flickr.com/people/27963340@N00/), on Flickr

[Onn]

I think the perspective makes it look bigger than it is. Not say it's small, but it does (from other pictures) look slender compared to how the renderings made it appear.

I know what you mean, but it probably really is that big. The shiny cladding dosen't help anything either. Not complaining, just an observation. :haha:

[jthornton17]

I know I'll get a slew of reasons why it "Must Be This Way" to this remark and I also know that they are invalid, considering this whole area was a blank slate 10 years ago...

I never understood why they didn't switch where 2WTC and the Hub are going to be. There are several reasons why it would have been better.

1) It would have preserved that view of the Brooklyn Bridge for the 1WTC observation deck.

2) The diagonal stagger of 1WTC and 2WTC (if it were the Hub will be) would better mimic the original staggers of the Twins. Better replicating the classic view from Brooklyn that so many people are upset will not be. Furthermore, 2WTC would not block 1WTC from so many of the "classic" vantage points.

3) The Hub would be in a more pituresque and "Classic" viewline down Fulton Street, with its "Wings" towering over the trees of St.Paul's Chappel.

4) The Hub would not be squeezed between such tall towers. The Hub would be reflected in 1WTC and 2WTC such that when standing at Vesey and Church you would get an almost 360 degree view of its architecture.

5) The placement of 2WTC where the Hub will be still preserves the stepdown effect from 1WTC that so many people seem to crave.

I agree with you and have always thought the same thing. Maybe I'm wrong and there isn't enough room. You guys could let me know this. But where 5 WTC would go, would almost be a better place for 2 wtc. Now I understand if it's a big deal to have the height decrease. But It's as close as you get to the original twins, just like 1 WTC is. At the very least, having wtc 2,3,and 4 as neighbors next to one another, would be awesome. I'm sure there are legit reasons though why this didn't happen. I'm sure it was something talked about. I would love to know the reasons why it ended up like it is.

[RockMont]

That thing is starting to really dominate the skyline. And the good news is that it's not done yet. Now I'm looking forward to when it tops out. Lower Manhattan will have its rightful 100+ story building back, even if it just stands alone.

[NYguy]

I know it'll be neat to be so close to another tower at almost the same level, but I would like seeing that famous view of the Brooklyn Bridge too.

Oh well, can't have everything. :shrug:

If that's all you want, then maybe you can have everything
Tower 2 will only block a sliver of that view, and nowhere else will you get the dramatic view of that crown.



I agree with you and have always thought the same thing. Maybe I'm wrong and there isn't enough room. You guys could let me know this. But where 5 WTC would go, would almost be a better place for 2 wtc. Now I understand if it's a big deal to have the height decrease. But It's as close as you get to the original twins, just like 1 WTC is. At the very least, having wtc 2,3,and 4 as neighbors next to one another, would be awesome. I'm sure there are legit reasons though why this didn't happen. I'm sure it was something talked about. I would love to know the reasons why it ended up like it is.

There's an entire thread for that discussion.

[Otie]

Nice angle for a postcard.

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[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: NYBOY75
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE6u4mzDzf0

[Otie]

Queens, don't be shy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE6u4mzDzf0

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Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gstav/6032507870/) by GStav (http://www.flickr.com/people/gstav/), on Flickr

[jd3189]

Queens, don't be shy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE6u4mzDzf0

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/6032507870_0bd57a13ef_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gstav/6032507870/)
Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gstav/6032507870/) by GStav (http://www.flickr.com/people/gstav/), on Flickr

From that view,I understand truely why one of New York's nicknames are "the city so nice they named it twice. We have two skyline,and two kings that are going to dominate together.

[Yankee fan for life]

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2011/08/11/53190/world-trade-back-in-nyc-broadcast-picture

[animatedmartian]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6085/6033897747_651e6b8846_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmarella/6033897747/)
pmarella (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmarella/)

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[patrick989]

^ sorry to be a little OT but it's funny how random and out of place "Trump SoHo" looks in that picture, such an eyesore that doesn't fit its surroundings whatsoever.

[RoyalOil]

^^ Which one is that, tall one on the left?

[Crawford]

^ sorry to be a little OT but it's funny how random and out of place "Trump SoHo" looks in that picture, such an eyesore that doesn't fit its surroundings whatsoever.

It won't be "out of place" for long.

That area is zoned for highrise development, and there are proposals for considerably higher towers on some of the underbuilt sites.

And I certainly wouldn't call it an eyesore. IMO, it's one of the best looking buildings in its immediate neighborhood.

And why is it "out of place"? Because it's taller? So the WTC is "out of place"? ESB is "out of place"?

[JesseNewYorkCity]

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You know, I've never understood why they still have those log posts in the water like that.. Why not dig them up and get rid of them if they aren't in use?