NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[alan88]

:haha: He knows what he types, Carlos.
To clarify, DCM will not be erecting steel on sunday

[pnapp1]

Also Mothers Day tomorrow.

[NewYorkDominates]

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I think it's safe to say we're Currently on pic in the middle.

[Noll]

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[hunser]

^^

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[dchan]

I just watched The Debrief with David Ushery today on NBC 4. There was a small segment in which Ushery was talking with a correspondent about 1WTC in regards to the building's height. The correspondent used a pencil and a slim but substantial-looking paper cone that fits over the pencil to compare the new design that Durst wants to build with the original spire design.

The correspondent remarked that he had doubts about whether the building council would regard the stripped-down spire as an actual spire as opposed to an antenna, which would have a bearing on the 1WTC's official height. Both Ushery and the correspondent also made off-the-cuff remarks about the NYNJPA trying to save money on the spire. Therefore, IMO, the correspondent was really implying that the the new spire design was awful-looking and done out of cheapness. (note: this is only my opinion based on what I watched)

[Nexis4Jersey]

My World Trade Center 1 Photos from the past week...

From Manhattan...

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From Jersey City

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[CarlosV]

Happy Mother's day to all the mothers out there :haha:

crane inspection day.....


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[babybackribs2314]

From the SI ferry & full update!

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/05/world-trade-center-restoring-lower.html

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[meh_cd]

I just watched The Debrief with David Ushery today on NBC 4. There was a small segment in which Ushery was talking with a correspondent about 1WTC in regards to the building's height. The correspondent used a pencil and a slim but substantial-looking paper cone that fits over the pencil to compare the new design that Durst wants to build with the original spire design.

The correspondent remarked that he had doubts about whether the building council would regard the stripped-down spire as an actual spire as opposed to an antenna, which would have a bearing on the 1WTC's official height. Both Ushery and the correspondent also made off-the-cuff remarks about the NYNJPA trying to save money on the spire. Therefore, IMO, the correspondent was really implying that the the new spire design was awful-looking and done out of cheapness. (note: this is only my opinion based on what I watched)

I've kind of given up hope re: the spire, but it is nice to see the media picking up on the bullshit.

[pnapp1]

Nice pics guys! :tup:

[Zapatan]

If anyone can make the spire situation better, it's David Childs, I believe him when he says he'll do something about it, or at least try.

[Dave84]

Them last few pics from jersey city at dusk look brill. . ! Really hope they cap off this beautiful building with the proper spire what was first intended.

[NewYorker2009]

New steel is going up now folks for the 103rd floor. I can see it on Earthcam although the shot is kind of blurry, but let's wait for the Carlos cam for confirmation. :cool:

[NYguy]

You know its funny that they can be almost finished with this building and still have design issues :haha: You would think with all of the high profiled architects, engineers and other construction workers involved with this project that they can design a antenna/spire that is maintainable and cost efficient

It's not a matter of if they can, it's if it is desired, which it isn't according to Durst.


The correspondent remarked that he had doubts about whether the building council would regard the stripped-down spire as an actual spire as opposed to an antenna, which would have a bearing on the 1WTC's official height. Both Ushery and the correspondent also made off-the-cuff remarks about the NYNJPA trying to save money on the spire. Therefore, IMO, the correspondent was really implying that the the new spire design was awful-looking and done out of cheapness. (note: this is only my opinion based on what I watched)

Most people seem to agree that the change is not for the better, but the people who it really matters to don't care, and we suffer for it.



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[ThisSideofSteinway]

New steel is going up now folks for the 103rd floor. I can see it on Earthcam although the shot is kind of blurry, but let's wait for the Carlos cam for confirmation. :cool:

Indeed, and it's fairly clear on the live Torch Cam (along with a partially completed new row of glass). :tup:

[NYguy]

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/38589


In his remarks this afternoon, Port Authority Executive Director Patrick Foye reiterated the Port’s intention to refocus its core mission on transportation and away from real estate. “Multibillion dollar projects by starchitects don’t cut it anymore,” he said, adding later, “Governments don’t have the animal spirits to get real estate done.” Though he praised the efforts at the World Trade Center it remains clear from yesterday’s very public spat with David Childs that architectural flourishes will play second fiddle to infrastructure.

“There is a significant risk of backlash from the public for vanity projects that don’t get their return,” he said. Though he praised marketable details like floor to ceiling windows at One World Trade, he quickly returned to the transit theme. “One World Trade is the symbol of our resilience,” he said, “but it can and will be more than that because it incorporates transportation.”

[m0by]

yeah new steel as we talk right now!!! :cheers:

How many jumps do we need to t/o? two more? three? :shrug:

Let's wait for the carlos cam for new pics!

[Roadcruiser1]

yeah new steel as we talk right now!!! :cheers:

How many jumps do we need to t/o? two more? three? :shrug:

Let's wait for the carlos cam for new pics!

These steel beams are for floors 102M and 103. One World Trade Center is 1,293 feet tall. There is still at least 2 more jumps. The next set would be floors 104 and 105 followed by 106 and parapet. That would be the topping off ceremony.

[NYC=WTC]

Some very large pieces of steel are being put up right now... We are getting very close to topping out guys :banana::banana::banana::worship::worship::worship::cheers:

[Zafor]

[QUOTE=NYguy;5700244]It's not a matter of if they can, it's if it is desired, which it isn't according to Durst.




Most people seem to agree that the change is not for the better, but the people who it really matters to don't care, and we suffer for it.


Perfectly said.

[NYguy]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304192704577402582630239076.html?mod=WSJ_NY_RealEstate_LEADNewsCollection

Battles at One World Trade

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By ROBBIE WHELAN
May 14, 2012

After years of delays and fighting over the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the site is the battleground for yet another dispute, as the tallest structure on the site nears completion. But the fight is stunning nonetheless, because of the participants involved and the serious concerns it's raising about the architectural integrity of one of the most important skyscrapers to rise on the New York skyline in a generation. Here we have no one less than David Childs, the principal designer of One World Trade Center, publicly criticizing its developer for a last minute change to the building's top.

To make repairs and maintenance feasible, developer Douglas Durst and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey are scrapping the plan to crown the building with a 408-foot, narwhal's tooth-shaped sculptural spire, which was to be encased in a protective, fiberglass-like material known as radome. Instead, plans now call for the building to be topped by a needle-like mast hung with communications equipment, an emaciated, underfed version of the original design. The public so far has focused on whether or not the antenna will count to the tower's height as the spire did. If it doesn't, One World Trade can't claim to be the tallest building in North America.

But this brouhaha misses the much more important—and long-lasting—aesthetic issues. The upshot for the city's residents is that they will be getting an inferior, less coherent building, whose design has been hurt by a developer who has failed to recognize the importance of delivering on an architect's vision. Mr. Childs, perhaps best known in New York as the designer of Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle, has been reluctant to go into much detail publicly with his outrage over the change, saying little more than that he was "disappointed." But I interviewed him a few weeks before the dispute bubbled to the surface. He didn't voice his criticism about the change at the time, but from his description of the project, it's very clear why he's so unhappy about the major surgery that's being performed. The spire is integral to the sculptural integrity of the building, which was designed, unlike many of the International-style office towers designed by Mr. Childs's firm, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, in its early days, as a single, shimmering object.

...But for this uplifting vision of singularity to work, it has to be presented in its entirety and not altered at the very place that draws the gaze of uplifted eyes. The Washington Monument would look pretty bad with a squashed top. Mr. Durst's camp has argued that repairing the radome spire if it got damaged would be incredibly expensive and risky. The no-frills antenna also is costing less. But cost shouldn't be a big issue at this point, given how unlikely a profit is for the public agency. The Port Authority pegged the tower's value at $2 billion in 2010 when it sold a minority stake to Mr. Durst. It has cost more than $3.9 billion to build. In the end, New York City will get a skyscraper making a statement, but not the strong, confident statement that the architect intended.


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[MolsonExport]

Bah, the fukin heartless beancounters always get their way.

[sw5710]

for 10 Years we have heard about how the 1776' # was symbolic of freedom 20 mil is more important To save then that. No big loss now. I hope they come up with an affordable enclosure that works. But back to today any col
umns going up?

[CarlosV]

It's a beautiful sight on this cloudy day! :iagree:

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[MrSlippery519]

It's looking so much more imposing at the glass rises, great pictures as always Carlos

[Modulair]

hello everyone, i haven't been here since several weeks, so could anyone please inform me about the current situation :tup: ?

current height ??
current floor ??

and, by the way, i have seen on that forum THAT picture:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1075804.1336674615!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg


What does it mean ???? where is the former white antenna ? i hope it's a joke ... :(

[NYC GUY]

for 10 Years we have heard about how the 1776' # was symbolic of freedom 20 mil is more important To save then that. No big loss now. I hope they come up with an affordable enclosure that works. But back to today any col
umns going up?
I hope that Child's is able to at least make an alternate design that looks just as good as the original spire but hopefully Child's can convince them to keep the original spire with the radome.

[RockMont]

Soon it will be reaching another significant milestone. As far as I'm concerned , the rooftop height should be a cause for 'celebration' and not the height of the spire. With all of the rancor and chaoss about the change in style and material used for the spire, it is useless. Besides if the top floor is all that is accesible to the public, then that is what should be recognized anyway.

[Dac150]

Excellent to see some new steel!

[Roadcruiser1]

hello everyone, i haven't been here since several weeks, so could anyone please inform me about the current situation :tup: ?

current height ??
current floor ??

and, by the way, i have seen on that forum THAT picture:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1075804.1336674615!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg


What does it mean ???? where is the former white antenna ? i hope it's a joke ... :(

We are at floor 103 and we are 1,293 feet up. Sadly the mast thing is not a joke. If Durst get's their way this building would lose a massive amount of height dropping it from 1,776 feet to 1,368 feet because antennas don't count.

[hunser]

^^ That 1368 figure is old, the tower is 1374 to the parapet which is going to count.

:cheers: to new steel!

[TouchTheSky13]

We are at floor 103 and we are 1,293 feet up. Sadly the mast thing is not a joke. If Durst get's their way this building would lose a massive amount of height dropping it from 1,776 feet to 1,368 feet because antennas don't count.

Ok guys but let's consider this: If Durst does get there way and the Council on Tall Buildings declares what is atop 1WTC to be an antenna, then everyone will be pissed. The public outcry will be tremendous. This will tarnish the building's image as well as Durst's image. That's not good for business, meaning that Durst will have no real choice but to cover it in a decorative and protetive radome similar in design and function to Child's original design. I'm just as mad as all of you about all of this. It is yet another example of American corporations practicing crony capitalism to get their way. The federal government should have financed at least half of the project. However, special interests corrupted our lazy politicians yet again, and nothing was ever even brought to a vote. How sad...But I remain optimistic, and I hope you all do too, that this building will be crowned with a worthy and aesthetically pleasing spire, which will for decades to come mark 1WTC's place in the New York City skyline and that the building itself will be living proof of how we rose from the ashes of September 11, 2001. Only then will we ever be able to claim true victory. Let us continue to fight this issue to the end, whatever and whenever that may be. Nothing will be achieved if we silence our voices. We care. So let's let the world know.

[Tru Bert]

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New Columns!

[Roadcruiser1]

Ok guys but let's consider this: If Durst does get there way and the Council on Tall Buildings declares what is atop 1WTC to be an antenna, then everyone will be pissed. The public outcry will be tremendous. This will tarnish the building's image as well as Durst's image. That's not good for business, meaning that Durst will have no real choice but to cover it in a decorative and protetive radome similar in design and function to Child's original design. I'm just as mad as all of you about all of this. It is yet another example of American corporations practicing crony capitalism to get their way. The federal government should have financed at least half of the project. However, special interests corrupted our lazy politicians yet again, and nothing was ever even brought to a vote. How sad...But I remain optimistic, and I hope you all do too, that this building will be crowned with a worthy and aesthetically pleasing spire, which will for decades to come mark 1WTC's place in the New York City skyline and that the building itself will be living proof of how we rose from the ashes of September 11, 2001. Only then will we ever be able to claim true victory. Let us continue to fight this issue to the end, whatever and whenever that may be. Nothing will be achieved if we silence our voices. We care. So let's let the world know.

If I remember the results correctly a few days ago Wall Street Journal, and this other website which I now forgot did a survey. The results from the WSJ was 55% for the original spire and 45% for Durst. On the other website it was 65% for the original spire and 35% for Durst. So the majority of the people want the original mast, but the truth is Durst has the power to say what is on the top. We can only fight it.

[Tru Bert]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/truberto/7198108922/in/photostream/

Click Link. Sorry forums could not get it working.

[Don098]

I don't care about the height, honestly. It's the appearance of the spire that matters.

[Zapatan]

I don't get it, why don't they just wait and add the radome later then?

The article makes it hard to tell whether this is finalized or if Childs is still fighting it.

[TouchTheSky13]

i'm fine with it. counting a 400ft spire mast antenna in the height is beyond shady anyway.

while i liked the white radome slightly better, i do like the red antenna too if thats what it turns out to be. gives the top of 1wtc kind of a tokyo feel.

i'll just be relieved when its completed and we can go up in it and get back to business and all that.

i've been saving my wtc site architectural excitement for the calatrava station design anyway.

With all do respect, I don't want 1 WTC to have a Tokyo feel. I want it to have a New York feel, an American feel. This building was once called Freedom Tower for a reason. The new plan practically shits on that idea. I, too, am excited about Calatravas station, but I care more about the skyscrapers which will be towering over it. They are the real monuments to what happened at that site over a decade ago.

[TouchTheSky13]

I don't get it, why don't they just wait and add the radome later then?

The article makes it hard to tell whether this is finalized or if Childs is still fighting it.

I honestly have no idea. Probably because that would make sense and things are never allowed to make sense when it comes to rebuilding the WTC.

[hunser]

Probably because that would make sense and things are never allowed to make sense when it comes to rebuilding the WTC.

LOL, good one. :haha:

[Zapatan]

The spire has been made, but has the radome already made as well?

[sw5710]

We have columns up to floor 103 - 1,293' 4'' or 1,297'+ with the splices.

[RockMont]

I honestly have no idea. Probably because that would make sense and things are never allowed to make sense when it comes to rebuilding the WTC.

Unfortunately, when governments, and corporate beaureaucrats are too heavily involved, that is usually the end result.

[Jonboy1983]

I will email my 2cents regarding this spire/antenna fiasco. To whom do I send it? David Childs or one (or all of) the politicians?

[marshall]

Hi everyone, I emailed Jordan Barowitz of the Durst Organization on Friday of last week, and told him some of the general concerns about the change to the spire/antenna. Here is his response:

"Unfortunately the protocol we were provided to repair and service the cladding on the spire was logistically impossible and dangerous."--Jordan Barowitz



So it seems as if we had just better learn to love the new antenna unless Childs pulls a rabbit out of his hat.

[TouchTheSky13]

Unfortunately, when governments, and corporate beaureaucrats are too heavily involved, that is usually the end result.

It would have been so much easier if the feds had done the right thing funded the project entirely. They have created spending bills in excess of tens of billions of dollars anyway. Instead they left it up to corporate trolls and the Port Authority - Tweedldee and Tweedldumb. Everything always has to turn into a giant clusterfuck with these fools. Seriously, do they have any idea how the decisions they've made has turned an otherwise beautiful building into one that is banal and is in no way reflective of what the people of New York and the entire country want? It's ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.

[marshall]

We have columns up to floor 103 - 1,293' 4'' or 1,297'+ with the splices.


SOoo close to topping out! Exciting! :cheers:

[PZelda]

The columns are SOOOOOOO CLOSE to meeting now! :D :D :D

I leave for NYC a month from today - oh god I'm so excited to see it again in person, I could just pee myself. And it should be just about topped out by then if there are only about 2-3 more jumps?! Yesssss... :D

[Tru Bert]

Crazy tension guys! The tower is at 103 floors! So close to the topping out. I say at this great rate, a end of May or early June top off. I know that there are floors that are very weird such as 103M ( Its an example, don't correct me if it doesn't exist ), so I'm not gonna say that in one more jump it will be 104. How long do you guys think it will be till the toping out ( With parapet and without )?

[Chapelo]

Occupy the World Trade Center! Maybe they'll get it then :rolleyes:

[Zapatan]

how can anyone be excited now that the top is utterly ruined?

[Roadcruiser1]

Crazy tension guys! The tower is at 103 floors! So close to the topping out. I say at this great rate, a end of May or early June top off. I know that there are floors that are very weird such as 103M ( Its an example, don't correct me if it doesn't exist ), so I'm not gonna say that in one more jump it will be 104. How long do you guys think it will be till the toping out ( With parapet and without )?

3 more jumps. Topping off should be in mid June, 2012.

[Zapatan]

Does anyone have David Childs email? I'm curios if he has any plans up his sleeve or even has any power to do anything, it is his building after all.

[chris123678]

So, these columns look like the normal 20 feet, so how long will it take to build these floors? A week, two? They do look rather small, and short, will they be built like the office floors?

One jump to 104

[Smellymundelly]

whats up everybody, ive been following this forum for a while and decided it was time to finally make an account...and I am friggin pissed off about this decision by durst (globalist assholes) to remove the radome. obviously their claims that maintence would be to hard and dangerous is absolute BS. In SOM's description of the spire - "The geometry of the radome shell is based on a repeating modular system that allows for easy replacement and erection and also creates a protected maintenance area that is unique in the antenna industry. large helical channels, called strakes, are built into the geometry of the radome and wrap around the spire to direct wind up and away from the structure." http://www.som.com/content.cfm/one_world_trade_center

[Jonboy1983]

Hi everyone, I emailed Jordan Barowitz of the Durst Organization on Friday of last week, and told him some of the general concerns about the change to the spire/antenna. Here is his response:

"Unfortunately the protocol we were provided to repair and service the cladding on the spire was logistically impossible and dangerous."--Jordan Barowitz



So it seems as if we had just better learn to love the new antenna unless Childs pulls a rabbit out of his hat.

Then...

FIND... A... BETTER SOLUTION...



One that IS LOGISTICALLY POSSIBLE... and WILL NOT stand out like some emaciated bony MIDDLE FINGER to NEW YORK and the USA... And that thing is not it...

Sorry, Mr. Barowitz, but to me, you are going to disgrace yoruself and your company if you let that horrible thing go on top of One World Trade instead of what WE, THE PEOPLE, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA want!

Oh, and Smellymundelly, spot on, and welcome to the forum!

[Otie]

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WTC Tower 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tylersparks/7196900122/) by tyfihi (http://www.flickr.com/people/tylersparks/), on Flickr

[Roadcruiser1]

So, these columns look like the normal 20 feet, so how long will it take to build these floors? A week, two? They do look rather small, and short, will they be built like the office floors?

One jump to 104

They are not. These are mechanical floors as well and will take 2 weeks at least to finish. The next steel rise isn't till at least May 28th.

[sw5710]

These columns went from splices at 1,271' to splices at 1,297' They are the 26' ones.

[SouthAmboyGuy]

I am also a new member and so glad that I finally did join, after viewing this site and forum for some time.

I am so fed up with Durst and the PANYNJ that I find it hard to put into words.

Talk about a case of being "penny wise and pound foolish." If they go ahead with this scheme, I'm sure this will ultimately cost Durst far more than $20 million in bad will.

We're talking about *The Key Element* of this entire complex; something that will profoundly change the aesthetics of the building and complex. It will also affect the symbolic height of the building, as well as the building losing it's status as the tallest in the Western Hemisphere.

What irks me the most is that the savings is minute: 0.04 percent of the cost of the building. Why are they doing this? Surely it cannot be related to the "extra" cost.

This is wrong, wrong, wrong -- and it is my most sincere hope that we have not seen the end of this mean act of paltry miserliness.:yuck::shrug:

[marshall]

I agree I am not happy about the spire changes, but at this point, looks doubtful that it will change unless something happens at the last minute. I am glad to see the building close to topping out though! It definately will make quite a statement. One more question though, remember a few weeks back when they unveiled the new logo for One World Trade Center? Perhaps now they will have to revise it, given the narrower antenna? The logo for the building is seen here:

http://i48.tinypic.com/flyis7.jpg

[SouthAmboyGuy]

I agree I am not happy about the spire changes, but at this point, looks doubtful that it will change unless something happens at the last minute. I am glad to see the building close to topping out though! It definately will make quite a statement. One more question though, remember a few weeks back when they unveiled the new logo for One World Trade Center? Perhaps now they will have to revise it, given the narrower antenna? The logo for the building is seen here:

http://i48.tinypic.com/flyis7.jpg

Thanks for bringing up the matter of the logo. The spire is included in the logo. That's how important the spire is to this building. If they're only going to build a crappy antenna (an embarrasement to NYC after what has been promised all these years), then a new logo is required.

Can you imagine the Chrysler Building without its spire; and how do they manage to maintain its spire?

Very sad situation. Almost unbelievable, really.

On the other hand, I agree, it is thrilling to witness it being topped out--a once in a generation experience!!!

[599GTO]

...trying....so..hard ...to give a damn about it topping out but I just can't!

The day it tops out, i'll yawn. I am not into this tower anymore, unfortunately. :(

[StrongIsland]

They are not. These are mechanical floors as well and will take 2 weeks at least to finish. The next steel rise isn't till at least May 28th.

There are 2 jumps left. 103M/104 and one for the paraphet...topping off should be if not last week of May then certainly within the first week of June, which is probably going to happen.

[brooklynbandit]

so whats the current height

[SouthAmboyGuy]

Mark my words (sad though they may be): if this cheapy antenna thing gets built, 2 WTC will ultimately become a flattop. I can fully understand how people can lose interest.

So very disappointing and completely different from the can-do spirit with which the original towers were built.

Have we really lost our way? "Say it ain't so!"

That it from me, seeing how I'm new. I just needed to get this off of my chest. Thanks for providing the opportunity.

[Zapatan]

It is almost unbelievable, to think how much 1776 was thrown in our face for a decade and to now cop out.

[Roadcruiser1]

There are 2 jumps left. 103M/104 and one for the paraphet...topping off should be if not last week of May then certainly within the first week of June, which is probably going to happen.

No. From what information I can gather from Otie this building still has floors 105 and 106. Then comes the parapet which brings it to 109 and floor 110 is in the mast.

so whats the current height

1,293 feet.

Also you guys should look at this Wall Street Journal poll. The results are shocking from how many people wants the old mast not the Durst one.

http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/question-day-229/topics/should-spire-new-world-trade?dj_vote=25318

[Otie]

104 is the last real floor; 105 is the roof; 106 are the cooling tower catwalks; 107 through 109 will form the 3 level communications platform ring, and 110 is a small platform located at the mast.

[Roadcruiser1]

104 is the last real floor; 105 is the roof; 106 are the cooling tower catwalks; 107 through 109 will form the 3 level communications platform ring, and 110 is a small platform located at the mast.

Ah thanks, but I am not looking forward to topping off unless if the mast is changed back into the old one. Feeling sad that we are so close to having it topped off but an ugly monster is going to sit on top.

[sw5710]

Now at floor 103 or 1,293' + splices = 1,297 or 1,303' from the lowest entrance.

[Otie]

Ah thanks, but I am not looking forward to topping off unless if the mast is changed back into the old one. Feeling sad that we are so close to having it topped off but an ugly monster is going to sit on top.

Zen would have loved to see the mast exposed, just like the whole tower with no curtain wall dressing it. Steel porn they call it. :cool:

[chris123678]

Being that this building is going to be topped out soon, it's sad that David Childs will never see his vision the way he wanted to. He stayed on an extra 5 years to do One World Trade Center and they completely get rid of the things he worked hard for, the Base glass, the spire, the plaza. Sad.

[Zapatan]

I would be surprised if David Childs weren't livid with blind rage.

the PA PROMISED America a height of 1776 feet, so I guess they are lying filth.

[natiboy]

I'm just as pissed about the spire as everyone else, but I'm going to hold out hope that Childs will fight for the original design and be successful. There is no way he wants his name associated with the building with that monstrosity on top.

I guess what I'm saying is, wait and see.

[NewYorkDominates]

Such a simple,yet elegant tower topped out with a filthy antenna is wrong.The encased spire gave it a sense of magic,with it's unicorn-like spire.

[Zapatan]

I'd even go as far to say, why not just use thin plastic instead of the radome? it would look the same from a distance, no one would really notice. :koko:

I agree with people who say they can't imagine Child's letting this slide, I just can't see that. Not saying it can't happen, but it would be really unbelieveably sad if it did.

[1Boston]

Also you guys should look at this Wall Street Journal poll. The results are shocking from how many people wants the old mast not the Durst one.

http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/question-day-229/topics/should-spire-new-world-trade?dj_vote=25318

To be honest, im more surprised that that many people actually do want the Durst one. I would've expected to at least see and 80% gain over Durst.

[Zapatan]

well some people may actually think it's a safety concern when that's really just a cover up for "we don't want to spend the extra money"

There is nothing dangerous about the radome spire, people are just gullible.

[sterlippo1]

To be honest, im more surprised that that many people actually do want the Durst one. I would've expected to at least see and 80% gain over Durst.

agree but if they took out "worker safety concerns" from the question it would be 99% against, maybe 100%

[Modulair]

take a look on my homemade modified picture, showing 1WTC glass finished :tup: !


http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2012/20/1337083365-projetdingue.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2012-20-1337083365-projetdingue.jpg)

[Don098]

For the record, that poll is incredibly unscientific. Too many leading questions...I'm surprised that the results are not more skewed than they are.

[NYguy]

Being that this building is going to be topped out soon, it's sad that David Childs will never see his vision the way he wanted to. He stayed on an extra 5 years to do One World Trade Center and they completely get rid of the things he worked hard for, the Base glass, the spire, the plaza. Sad.

The planned base became impractical, so he was left with no choice. But his entire design for the tower first had to be compromised to accomodate Libeskind's spire at 1,776 ft. It was mandated to be so. But apparently, the new Port Authority director thinks it's ok to "cut cost" in the design because so many people are concerned about "overspending" by the agency. And I don't buy Durst's "concerns" about repairs one bit. The previous PA director didn't buy it either, according to some reports. I just wish they would be honest about the reason for this revision - it's all about COSTS, and has nothing to do with safety or repairing, as they would have us believe.



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[PZelda]

What's up with the white stuff on 4 WTC? Are they getting ready to clad it over or something?

I just freaking love the SI Ferry pictures of 1 WTC. The angles are SO pleasing to the eye. :)

[Chapelo]

What's up with the white stuff on 4 WTC? Are they getting ready to clad it over or something?

Eventually. The white blanket is where fireproofing is being applied.

[TouchTheSky13]

agree but if they took out "worker safety concerns" from the question it would be 99% against, maybe 100%

Hopefully Childs Please and Durstbag will reach a compromise and settle for something similar to BoA Tower's spire. As far as I know, that is nothing but steel and LED's and thus makes BoA Tower 1200ft tall instead of just 945ft to the roof. I prefer Childs original design better, but if that was what it came to, I wouldn't mind.

[Zapatan]

Hopefully Childs Please and Durstbag will reach a compromise and settle for something similar to BoA Tower's spire. As far as I know, that is nothing but steel and LED's and thus makes BoA Tower 1200ft tall instead of just 945ft to the roof. I prefer Childs original design better, but if that was what it came to, I wouldn't mind.

The spire is already assembled though, so they can't really modify it, they would just need to come up with a new plan to cover it.

[NYC GUY]

^^^
Hopefully Child's can make a new design thats at least nice looking.

[1Boston]

well some people may actually think it's a safety concern when that's really just a cover up for "we don't want to spend the extra money"

There is nothing dangerous about the radome spire, people are just gullible.

Yeah, they have not backed up any of these things they are saying about it being dangerous and too difficult to repair. There's no way that the project would get this far and then right before it t/o they realize its dangrous, i don't buy it for a second. Only if the right people had power then this would have worked out alright from the very beginning.

[NYguy]

Well, maybe if we get many days like this, we won't have to worry about it...:)


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[NYC GUY]

So who thinks that they will compromise on a new design that looks good and keeps the 1776' height? Or that Durst's antenna will be picked.

[chris123678]

So who thinks that they will compromise on a new design that looks good and keeps the 1776' height? Or that Durst's antenna will be picked.

Durst antenna is going to go up no matter what. It's already built, and going to be installed this summer. The question is will the fiberglass casing be incased around it.

I think that David Childs and the Port Authority will find some type of agreement. Probably not the original spire, but a spire with a very thin casing.

[Zapatan]

Durst antenna is going to go up no matter what. It's already built, and going to be installed this summer. The question is will the fiberglass casing be incased around it.

I think that David Childs and the Port Authority will find some type of agreement. Probably not the original spire, but a spire with a very thin casing.

God I hope so...

I hope the communication ring is also still part of the building, it looks like Durst wants to take that out too.

[jthornton17]

Well, maybe if we get many days like this, we won't have to worry about it...:)


SunnyDazzled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunnydazzled/7203188182/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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Has anyone noticed that with all eyes on 1 wtc, that 4 wtc is starting to dominate all the other buildings around? For all the disapointment around 1 wtc of late, 4 WTC is turning out much more awesome than I thought it looked in the models.

[WTCman7301]

I think Durst and SOM should come up with a compromise instead putting that ugly antenna, because sadly I'm slowly getting used to the design. It should at least be wrapped in a white metal casing.

[Zapatan]

from the same nyt article:

“we never have, never will, refer to it as an antenna,” said jordan barowitz, the director of external affairs at durst.

“when the building is complete in 18 months or so, there will be no broadcast equipment on the spire,” he added. “it will be a spire, lit with leds. I don’t know how you could call that an antenna. it’s a spire from which broadcast equipment will be suspended.” he referred to the three steel rings at the base of the mast, which will contain communication equipment.

Mr. Durst said the mast would “still be a fairly robust structure.”

“i don’t think it will affect the visual appearance,” he said. “i try not to get involved with the aesthetics.



Well everyone, we were all worried for nothing. If durst says its a spire, then it must be a spire:duh



Fail

[Hudson11]

Fail

you took that out of context :) he said when the building is complete there won't be any equipment on the spire. There will be eventually.

[mat97]

the crane is jumped!!!:banana:

[mac78130]

Hopes are dashed for WTC Morse code light

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/hopes_are_dashed_for_wtc_morse_code_yansKFKmzzmB179SxrDV4O?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Business