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NYguy
May 22, 2007, 12:08 AM
http://www.panynj.gov/drp/gallery/showPics.php?year=07&month=cr04&pnav=crpicstble
Not sure if this was reported but the Port Authority posted pics about 6 days ago from April.
Yeah, they were posted here...
NYonward
May 22, 2007, 12:14 AM
The June 2007 issue of Esquire has the 4th installment of "The Rebuilding" series, this one named "The Steel". Not much new or interesting except this:
"The Port Authority, a billion over budget and panting hard to find a private-sector partner with deep pockets, has quietly renamed the thing. Hello, One World Trade Center. Farewell, Freedom Tower."
Rise To The Top
May 22, 2007, 1:28 AM
The June 2007 issue of Esquire has the 4th installment of "The Rebuilding" series, this one named "The Steel". Not much new or interesting except this:
"The Port Authority, a billion over budget and panting hard to find a private-sector partner with deep pockets, has quietly renamed the thing. Hello, One World Trade Center. Farewell, Freedom Tower."
One World Trade sounds cleaner. It makes the WTC seem more unified, rather 1 building having an exclusive name. I like it.
Realthang
May 22, 2007, 2:05 AM
That is why those crane operators get the big big bucks. they know their stuff. The old ones were built the same way but with 4 cranes which i still hold out is the way this one will rise. very impressive stuff
Won't happen.. the cranes you see today are the only ones you'll see thru 2011
Scruffy
May 22, 2007, 3:18 AM
Speaking of cranes.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04870.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/Scruffy66/DSC04871.jpg
These pictures do not do it justice but standing by 1 Liberty Plaza looking towards GS, there were exactly 12 cranes of varying sizes and functions. It looked rather impressive
CoolCzech
May 22, 2007, 3:19 AM
The June 2007 issue of Esquire has the 4th installment of "The Rebuilding" series, this one named "The Steel". Not much new or interesting except this:
"The Port Authority, a billion over budget and panting hard to find a private-sector partner with deep pockets, has quietly renamed the thing. Hello, One World Trade Center. Farewell, Freedom Tower."
Yeah, whatever :rolleyes:
The address was ALWAYS "1 WTC." This is the same sort of accurate journalism that consistently gives wrong floor counts, height figures, etc.
kznyc2k
May 22, 2007, 4:54 AM
2007.. five and a half years later and we finally get a forest of cranes.
And that 7 WTC.. it may be just an unimaginative box (well, ok, a parallelogram) but it sure is a good looking box. ROI meets Brooks Brothers.
NYonward
May 22, 2007, 7:31 PM
Yeah, whatever :rolleyes:
The address was ALWAYS "1 WTC." This is the same sort of accurate journalism that consistently gives wrong floor counts, height figures, etc.
They're not talking about the address, they're talking about the name of the building.
Daquan13
May 22, 2007, 9:22 PM
The June 2007 issue of Esquire has the 4th installment of "The Rebuilding" series, this one named "The Steel". Not much new or interesting except this:
"The Port Authority, a billion over budget and panting hard to find a private-sector partner with deep pockets, has quietly renamed the thing. Hello, One World Trade Center. Farewell, Freedom Tower."
It's STILL named Freedom Tower, and will always be because of it's symbolic height of 1,776 feet.
You know, the Declaration of Independance for freedom, signed during that year on July 4.
NYguy
May 22, 2007, 9:37 PM
The June 2007 issue of Esquire has the 4th installment of "The Rebuilding" series, this one named "The Steel". Not much new or interesting except this:
"The Port Authority, a billion over budget and panting hard to find a private-sector partner with deep pockets, has quietly renamed the thing. Hello, One World Trade Center. Farewell, Freedom Tower."
Don't believe the hype. This building has always been One World Trade Center. It's still the Freedom Tower, yes, in name. Even the other WTC towers won't be called what they really are (Freedom being WTC tower 1, Fosters being WTC tower 2, etc.)
Rise To The Top
May 22, 2007, 9:51 PM
It's STILL named Freedom Tower, and will always be because of it's symbolic height of 1,776 feet.
You know, the Declaration of Independance for freedom, signed during that year on July 4.
REALLY? NO WAY!!!! I prefer 1. All of buildings are equally brilliant. 1 should'nt stand outand become more popular just because it has an antenna that makes it taller and to the fact that it is the "Freedom Tower".
NYguy
May 22, 2007, 9:52 PM
Another quote...
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,101730.shtml
Viracon Awarded Glass Supply Contract for Freedom Tower in NYC
Mon, 07 May 2007
Benson Industries of Portland, Oregon, who was recently awarded the curtain wall contract for the World Trade Center Tower One, has named Viracon, Inc. of Owatonna, Minnesota as their glass supplier for the project. The World Trade Center Tower One, also known as the Freedom Tower, is being developed by the Port Authority of New York/New Jersey and will be constructed on the site of the World Trade Center buildings destroyed by terrorists in 2001.
At 1,776 feet tall, a tribute to our country's freedom with the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, the Freedom Tower will be the tallest building in North America when complete.
NYguy
May 22, 2007, 9:53 PM
REALLY? NO WAY!!!! I prefer 1. All of buildings are equally brilliant. 1 should'nt stand outand become more popular just because it has an antenna that makes it taller and to the fact that it is the "Freedom Tower".
Life is tough all over. Deal with it...:rolleyes:
NYguy
May 22, 2007, 10:05 PM
More on the Freedom Tower...
http://www.panynj.gov/pdf/Fact_Sheet_for_Web.pdf
A public observation deck on the 102nd floor, a skyline restaurant on the
100th and 101st floors and an antenna mast rising to an iconic height of 1,776 feet. All floors will be served by elevators. The Skylobby on the 64th floor serves as a dramatic entrance for the office floors above. A loading dock with five bays will be accessible from Washington Street.
antinimby
May 22, 2007, 11:30 PM
This is very funny. :haha:
http://www.curbed.com/2007_05_AtlanticYardsTomorrow.jpg
Daquan13
May 23, 2007, 12:04 AM
REALLY? NO WAY!!!! I prefer 1. All of buildings are equally brilliant. 1 should'nt stand outand become more popular just because it has an antenna that makes it taller and to the fact that it is the "Freedom Tower".
Yeah, whatever!:rolleyes:
NYguy is right!! Life IS rough. Deal with it. Wanna change it? Try getting past the officials.
They'll laugh right in your face, just like I'm doiing right now!:lmao: :lmao:
Who took that pic above? It makes all the towers look short and stubby!
ramvid01
May 23, 2007, 4:45 AM
Yeah, they were posted here...
Sorry. Didn't see you posted them. No need to get angry or anything.
NYonward
May 23, 2007, 2:17 PM
The World Trade Center Tower One, also known as the Freedom Tower
With the PA officially (even though it was quiet) changing the name, this is a sign of things to come.
The trade center was known as different names to different people before and after the attacks. I suspect that it will be the same when rebuilt. It might be that only rubes will call it Freedom Tower.
Daquan13
May 23, 2007, 2:26 PM
Who, or what are rubes?
The tower had a few different names earlier, I think. One of them was the Vertical World Gardens.
-GR2NY-
May 23, 2007, 5:27 PM
These pictures do not do it justice but standing by 1 Liberty Plaza looking towards GS, there were exactly 12 cranes of varying sizes and functions. It looked rather impressive
Only 8 in the pictures right?
Daquan13
May 23, 2007, 5:34 PM
But there is now a lot of construction activity between Ground Zero and the GST constr. site, so it should make obsevers happy to see THIS much activity there.
All of those cranes in the pics above kind of remind me of threaded needles in a pin cushion.
And BTW, who is the constr. co. that's building the GS Tower anyway, Tishman?
Scruffy
May 23, 2007, 7:40 PM
Only 8 in the pictures right?
9.
There is one on the far right arching off frame.
2 more around tower 2's site
2 for Tower 1
4 on Goldman Sachs.
But walking around the pit i had spotted 3 more. Although 1 of those I might have mistaken as a crane. It was from far away.
GVNY
May 23, 2007, 7:47 PM
I am pleased to hear about the observation deck and restaurant. I am sure it will be a great space.
RockMont
May 23, 2007, 8:12 PM
I am pleased to hear about the observation deck and restaurant. I am sure it will be a great space.
Most Definitely!
Dalton
May 23, 2007, 8:25 PM
With the PA officially (even though it was quiet) changing the name, this is a sign of things to come.
The trade center was known as different names to different people before and after the attacks. I suspect that it will be the same when rebuilt. It might be that only rubes will call it Freedom Tower.
The "sophisticates" in New York City undoubtably will refuse to call it "Freedom Tower" because the name was not proposed by Hillary Clinton. Most of these people don't consider the 9/11 incident an act of war, but rather a criminal act perpetrated by either: a) a group of 19 or 20 political activists with legitimate grievances against the United States empire, or b) the Bush administration itself.
donybrx
May 23, 2007, 8:34 PM
The "sophisticates" in New York City undoubtably will refuse to call it "Freedom Tower" because the name was not proposed by Hillary Clinton. Most of these people don't consider the 9/11 incident an act of war, but rather a criminal act perpetrated by either: a) a group of 19 or 20 political activists with legitimate grievances against the United States empire, or b) the Bush administration itself.
Feel 'free' to take your profound political insight to the apppropriate
political threads/ forums.....
donybrx
May 23, 2007, 8:38 PM
It's STILL named Freedom Tower, and will always be because of it's symbolic height of 1,776 feet.
You know, the Declaration of Independance for freedom, signed during that year on July 4.
Oh yeah *snap*......the one signed in Philadelphia.......:)
djvandrake
May 23, 2007, 8:41 PM
This really applies to the WTC 2,3,4 towers more since its Silverstein, but I didn't want to post it three times. :)
Insurance firms settle World Trade Center dispute with developer
A group of insurance companies has reached a two-billion-dollar settlement with the developers of the World Trade Center over payouts related to the September 11 attacks, officials said Wednesday.
New York Governor Eliot Spitzer said that the agreement by seven insurance firms settled all outstanding claims made by developer Larry Silverstein in relation to the attacks more than five years ago.
"The unsettled insurance claims were the last major barrier to rebuilding and have been bitterly and intensely contested for almost six years," Spitzer said in a statement.
"The settlement is the result of an extensive collaborative effort by many and it ensures that the Port Authority and Silverstein Properties will have the financial resources to meet their obligations" to rebuild the site, he said.
Silverstein, who took over the lease of the downtown New York complex just two months before the Twin Towers were destroyed, has already received more than two billion dollars in insurance payouts.
Silverstein launched a lawsuit in 2004 to get a bigger payout than the 3.5-billion-dollar limit of his policy, arguing that because two planes hit the Twin Towers, he should be eligible to collect twice from the insurers.
In 2004, a court ruled that Silverstein should receive no more than 4.6 billion dollars, but some of the insurers refused to pay up, contesting the argument that the attacks were separate incidents.
Last year, a US appeals court upheld a previous ruling that forced some of the insurers to treat the attacks as two separate events.
Silverstein and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site, are working together to rebuild the World Trade Center site, the centerpiece of which is to be the 541-meter (1,776-foot) Freedom Tower.
Construction on the skyscraper finally began last year after a series of delays.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg welcomed Wednesday's announcement, saying the settlement would help in the reconstruction of the lower Manhattan site.
"Today's announcement is another major step forward in our efforts to ensure that the redevelopment of the full World Trade Center site occurs as quickly as possible," he said in a statement.
The seven companies involved in Wednesday's settlement were Travelers Companies, Zurich American, Swiss Re, Employers Insurance Company of Wausau, Allianz, Industrial Risk Insurers and Royal Indemnity Company.
source was AFP: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070523/ts_alt_afp/usattacksinsurance;_ylt=AraDzU82cqGlzi1M8ycIhBGyFz4D
JMGarcia
May 23, 2007, 8:42 PM
The "sophisticates" in New York City undoubtably will refuse to call it "Freedom Tower" because the name was not proposed by Hillary Clinton. Most of these people don't consider the 9/11 incident an act of war, but rather a criminal act perpetrated by either: a) a group of 19 or 20 political activists with legitimate grievances against the United States empire, or b) the Bush administration itself.
Bullshit
The "sophisticates" in New York City...
:haha:
Did some preacher man tell you 'bout them thar "sophisticates"?
Seriously, what a complete and utter bullshit post.
NYonward
May 23, 2007, 8:55 PM
The "sophisticates" in New York City undoubtably will refuse to call it "Freedom Tower" because the name was not proposed by Hillary Clinton. Most of these people don't consider the 9/11 incident an act of war, but rather a criminal act perpetrated by either: a) a group of 19 or 20 political activists with legitimate grievances against the United States empire, or b) the Bush administration itself.
Sounds like rush limbaugh has got you all pent up over there. I suggest you go eat some freedom fries and get over it.
CoolCzech
May 23, 2007, 8:59 PM
Is the name of a tower REALLY worth all this angst?
Dalton
May 23, 2007, 8:59 PM
Bullshit
:haha:
Did some preacher man tell you 'bout them thar "sophisticates"?
Seriously, what a complete and utter bullshit post.
The use of the word "sophisticates" is no less foolish than the original poster's description of those who use the term "Freedom Tower" as "rubes". The difference is, he was serious. It's kind of sad that those who use the term "freedom" are considered "rubes" by some. It's obvious that the objection he and many other have to the naming of the tower are based on partisan political views; I would hope that the terms such as "freedom" haven't become so controversial, even in a city whose population is so steeped in NY Times editorial viewpoint. Otherwise, why not rename the "Statue of Liberty" as "That green statue received as a gift from France"?
Seriously though, what is wrong with referring to the building as "Freedom Tower"? I want to know what the objection is....
nygirl1
May 23, 2007, 10:11 PM
Because it is not the Freedom Tower it is One World Trade Center, The Freedom Tower as far as I know is in Miami, Florida. The title of 'Freedom' Tower is just kind of ... well...dumb. Noone will truely be reffering to this thing as 'Freedom' Tower upon completion and after while it is in use. Most will probably be calling it what it really is and that is One World Trade just like Foster will be called Two World Trade and not Freedom 2 or Foster's tower, and three will be known as Three World Trade and not Rogers' Tower. It's why we call tower 7, Tower Seven and not David Child's Tower. I agree with whomever said it before: Rube's from west bumblefk will be calling this thing the Freedom Tower everytime they come to visit it or see it in the media but the locals, and tenants, and anyone else with some sense that knows what this building replaced and really stands for is the World Trade Center. Freedom Tower screams publicity when it isn't needed. It's the rebuilding of one of this country's most prominent landmarks and financial/commercial institutions it's not hidden on the back burner and doesn't need a corny name for people to know what it is. The Freedom Tower didn't burn and collapse on Sept. 11'th, the World Trade Centers did. I don't know I guess that is just how I see it. I could be wrong.
NYguy
May 23, 2007, 10:52 PM
Because it is not the Freedom Tower it is One World Trade Center, The Freedom Tower as far as I know is in Miami, Florida.
The building that is under construction in this thread, with the spire reaching a height of 1,776 ft is named the FREEDOM TOWER.
Once again, it will no more be called 1 WTC than towers 2, 3, and 4 will be called 2, 3, and 4, WTC. Those towers may not even be called by their given addresses of 200, 175, and 150 Greenwich Streets.
It's a simple concept, I don't understand why so many people can't grasp it. The GE Building (formerly the RCA Building) may be at 30 Rockefeler Plaza, but its known as the GE Building. Same concept.
Another thing that many people may not be aware of, but most New Yorkers didn't refer to the WTC as the World Trade Center. It was simply the "Twin Towers".
We all know that the complex is still the World Trade Center, you'd have to be foolish not to know it. But the towers still have their individual names, and this one is called and will continue to be known as the FREEDOM TOWER.
It makes no sense to keep bringing up a dead issue.
Here's the owner's website that gives you everthing you need to know about the tower:
http://www.panynj.gov/pat_wtc_rebuilding.html
Daquan13
May 23, 2007, 10:59 PM
One last time - it IS called the Freedom Tower.
Some of you might not like it and some of you probably DO like it. Your choice.
Be that as it may, the name Freedom Tower was, is now, and is what it will ALWAYS be called. The towers will be numbered from one to 7, even though their street addresses will also be given to them as well.
Things aren't the same as when the former towers were there. This is a whole new thing - the NEW BREED.
Thanks, NYguy. I think that while I was writing MY post, that you were writing yours. But you're right!
NYguy
May 23, 2007, 11:05 PM
More on the settlement...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/23/nyregion/23cnd-insure.html?em&ex=1180065600&en=6eff2c8d2aa1cf62&ei=5087%0A
Settlement on Ground Zero Insurance Claims
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/23/nyregion/23cnd_spitzer.650.jpg
Gov. Eliot Spitzer, right, with developer Larry A. Silverstein during a news conference today.
By CHARLES V. BAGLI
May 23, 2007
The Spitzer administration announced this afternoon the settlement of insurance claims at ground zero, ensuring that $4.55 billion will be available for rebuilding the World Trade Center site and ending an often bitter, five-year battle with insurers over payouts related to the terrorist attack.
The settlement with seven of the two dozen insurers — Allianz Global Risk, Travelers Companies, Zurich American, Swiss Re, Employers Insurance, Industrial Risk Insurers and Royal Indemnity — that provided coverage for the World Trade Center is the culmination of a two-month campaign by the state insurance superintendent, Eric R. Dinallo, involving meetings in Geneva, Paris and Delaware.
In recent weeks, Gov. Eliot Spitzer joined the negotiations, which lasted until the early morning hours today. The other insurers made good on their claims.
The agreement removes a dark cloud over the rebuilding effort, although the insurance money represents only about half of the $9 billion cost of rebuilding the office towers and retail space at ground zero.
Without the money, officials say they might not have been able to obtain private financing or the use of tax-free Liberty Bonds. The dispute, officials say, could have dragged on for some time without a resolution, while eating up millions of dollars in lawyers’ fees.
“The unsettled insurance claims were the last major barrier to rebuilding and have been bitterly and intensely contested for almost six years,” Governor Spitzer said in an interview. “This means we can now fund construction, access the financial markets and move on to what should be our primary focus: rebuilding.”
He said the agreement, which ends all the litigation, was part of a collaborative effort on the part of many officials who had lost “patience with the ongoing fighting that didn’t serve the public interest or the effort to rebuild.” Mr. Dinallo was working in tandem with the retired judge Albert Rosenblatt, who was overseeing an arbitration proceeding in the case.
Business leaders downtown, who have been frustrated by years of delays and political and legal wrangling, were elated by the news.
“The downtown business community is pleased that the efforts of the governor and the insurance superintendent in removing the remaining uncertainty over the financing of the World Trade Center site,” said Eric J. Deutsch, president of the Alliance for Downtown New York. “In conjunction with a strong office market, the settlement will ensure success.”
So far, the two dozen insurers at ground zero have collectively paid about $2.55 billion on a maximum claim of $4.68 billion.
Under the settlement, the seven insurers who disputed some of the claims will pay an additional $2 billion. All parties to the settlement have signed confidentiality agreements concerning the specific amounts paid by each company.
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the land at ground zero and built the trade center, will get about $870 million from the settlement, which will go toward the cost of erecting the $3 billion Freedom Tower, the tallest and most symbolic skyscraper planned for ground zero, as well as the retail space at the complex. the developer Larry A. Silverstein will get the remaining $1.13 billion for three large office towers to be built along Church Street, between Vesey and Liberty Streets.
The Port Authority and Mr. Silverstein, who had leased the trade center complex six weeks before Sept. 11, had to relinquish their claim that the companies owed in excess of $500 million in interest relating to delays in making the payments.
This is not to say that nothing has happened at the 16-acre trade center site. The Port Authority is building a $2 billion PATH train station and work has begun on the Freedom Tower. The authority expects to turn over the eastern portion of the site to Mr. Silverstein at the end of this year.
“Look how far we’ve come in the last year,” Mr. Silverstein said.
“A year ago today, we opened 7 World Trade Center, a huge success and a validation of downtown as a world class business district,” he said. “We’ve started construction on the Freedom Tower. We reached an agreement on who would build what and when. And now we have resources to rebuild as quickly and spectacularly as possible.”
Daquan13
May 23, 2007, 11:38 PM
Good news!!
It's high time that those remaining insurers cough up the funds to rebuild Ground Zero! Now there shouldn't be any more delays related to this, and things should go smoothly from here on.
GarCastle
May 24, 2007, 1:28 AM
Due to the fairly minimal pics on this thread, I took the day off work and did what had to be done. :^) Though I will say... the site is pretty well shielded by fencing and mesh that is likely there to keep construction dust from getting on the outside streets/etc.
I had to get up at 4:45am to get there so these are in no particular order. I walked from Penn Station down to the site, which I would not recommend cause then you are beat arse tired the rest of the day.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4831/dscn0529id3.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7933/dscn0531my2.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7048/dscn0532rq5.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8437/dscn0533po5.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3937/dscn0534sf9.jpg
When the other gent mentioned a dozen cranes, he only meant the BIG ones, there are so many truck cranes as well. It's quite a symphony of movement. Here's a reflection shot off one of the WFC buildings (I believe) with me sort of in it as well. One of the firemen liked my Arrogrant Bastard beer shirt and told me where a bar was that has it on tap (but the bar wasn't open for lunch when I went there). I actually went into another bar that looked promising and as it turns out they were not open either which they told me when they found me staring at their taps with thirsty eyes as they came down the stairs - I guess the door was supposed to be locked LOL. Went into Jameson's Bar and had some Brooklyn Lager and then some Smithwick's.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9555/dscn0540xt1.jpg
Ramblings aside, more pics!
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2093/dscn0546fm2.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3870/dscn0548le3.jpg
This one _kinda_ gives you the crane feel, sort of:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1391/dscn0549ri4.jpg
JMGarcia
May 24, 2007, 2:31 AM
The use of the word "sophisticates" is no less foolish than the original poster's description of those who use the term "Freedom Tower" as "rubes". The difference is, he was serious. It's kind of sad that those who use the term "freedom" are considered "rubes" by some. It's obvious that the objection he and many other have to the naming of the tower are based on partisan political views; I would hope that the terms such as "freedom" haven't become so controversial, even in a city whose population is so steeped in NY Times editorial viewpoint. Otherwise, why not rename the "Statue of Liberty" as "That green statue received as a gift from France"?
Seriously though, what is wrong with referring to the building as "Freedom Tower"? I want to know what the objection is....
Nothing as far as I'm concerned. Its no more hoakey than the "Statue of Liberty".
FerrariEnzo
May 24, 2007, 3:24 AM
garcastle, great pictures and even better commentary! made me laugh
nygirl1
May 24, 2007, 3:36 AM
The building that is under construction in this thread, with the spire reaching a height of 1,776 ft is named the FREEDOM TOWER.
Once again, it will no more be called 1 WTC than towers 2, 3, and 4 will be called 2, 3, and 4, WTC. Those towers may not even be called by their given addresses of 200, 175, and 150 Greenwich Streets.
It's a simple concept, I don't understand why so many people can't grasp it. The GE Building (formerly the RCA Building) may be at 30 Rockefeler Plaza, but its known as the GE Building. Same concept.
Another thing that many people may not be aware of, but most New Yorkers didn't refer to the WTC as the World Trade Center. It was simply the "Twin Towers".
We all know that the complex is still the World Trade Center, you'd have to be foolish not to know it. But the towers still have their individual names, and this one is called and will continue to be known as the FREEDOM TOWER.
It makes no sense to keep bringing up a dead issue.
Here's the owner's website that gives you everthing you need to know about the tower:
http://www.panynj.gov/pat_wtc_rebuilding.html
Not for nothing but I know alot more ppl that use the term 30 Rock rather than the GE. Infact most ppl I know that aren't skyscraper enthusiasts refer to it as 30 rock. All my family members in the local 3 refer to it as 30 rock. I really only first started seeing it commonly called GE on these websites and not for nothing there are alot more ppl that aren't skyscraper enthusiasts that go by addresses rather than names they may get mixed up. It's a big world. Also if I asked most people on the street what they were building down at ground zero it's a 75% chance they will say WTC. In general ppl in this city aren't as nutty about skyscrapers as we are and they outnumber us by many. What you call the freedom tower WILL be more commonly known as the WORLD TRADE CENTER. I mean unless they put a huge sign on top that says Freedom Tower. Wouldn't that be lovely? I'm not deliberatley trying to be confrentational but even if theres a huge freedom tower on the steel column most New Yorkers I know just say world trade. Just going by word of mouth and not articles.
djvandrake
May 24, 2007, 4:03 AM
Those are awesome pics Garcastle, thanks for the street level view! :)
beanhead4529
May 24, 2007, 4:12 AM
steel!!!! yay!!!! :banana:
Beyond 1000
May 24, 2007, 5:21 AM
The above post on the "sophisticates" et al is why I have stopped posting on the Freedom Tower. The politics in this thread are piled up so high they need wings to keep them up.
Finally they are building this one.
I love the design.
Daquan13
May 24, 2007, 10:51 AM
The above post on the "sophisticates" et al is why I have stopped posting on the Freedom Tower. The politics in this thread are piled up so high they need wings to keep them up.
Finally they are building this one.
I love the design.
Hi, Beyond 1000!
So, that's why I haven't seen you here.
Yes, people DO have negative talk here, and they need to stop hating on the ones who want to see the tower built, mainly me.
DMAG
May 24, 2007, 11:43 AM
Great pictures!
I've made that long walk a few times...it was a beautiful day for it!
NYonward
May 24, 2007, 11:46 AM
Due to the fairly minimal pics on this thread, I took the day off work and did what had to be done. :^) Though I will say... the site is pretty well shielded by fencing and mesh that is likely there to keep construction dust from getting on the outside streets/etc.
I had to get up at 4:45am to get there so these are in no particular order. I walked from Penn Station down to the site, which I would not recommend cause then you are beat arse tired the rest of the day.
Great photos. Early morning and late afternoon shots are the best. Keep them coming.
M.K.
May 24, 2007, 1:56 PM
Ohhhhhhhhh... finnally one crane more, 2 then and where is the bldg?... nothing.. just cranes. 6 years only for 2 cranes. For a bldg make requires 600 years ..... or 6000000 years? :haha: :jester: :haha: Make me as clown. We will never have this bldg up. It is just marketing, marketing of ground zero forever.
fioco
May 24, 2007, 3:15 PM
GarCastle, your photos are amazing!!! It's difficult to portray the true scope and immense size of the project; your shots really give a "You Are There" type of presence.
The slurry wall is quite impressive in this shot:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8437/dscn0533po5.jpg
Again, thank you for an early morning call and an arse-tiring day. We all appreciate it!
colemonkee
May 24, 2007, 4:24 PM
GarCastle, you are a trooper!
RockMont
May 24, 2007, 8:44 PM
Nothing as far as I'm concerned. Its no more hoakey than the "Statue of Liberty".
Just to make it more formal and official, it should be called "The Tower of Freedom"
CoolCzech
May 24, 2007, 9:17 PM
Nothing as far as I'm concerned. Its no more hoakey than the "Statue of Liberty".
Oh, is that what they call it?
I always thought it was One Liberty Island.:haha:
NYguy
May 24, 2007, 9:56 PM
Not for nothing but I know alot more ppl that use the term 30 Rock rather than the GE. Infact most ppl I know that aren't skyscraper enthusiasts refer to it as 30 rock. All my family members in the local 3 refer to it as 30 rock. I really only first started seeing it commonly called GE on these websites and not for nothing there are alot more ppl that aren't skyscraper enthusiasts that go by addresses rather than names they may get mixed up. It's a big world. Also if I asked most people on the street what they were building down at ground zero it's a 75% chance they will say WTC. In general ppl in this city aren't as nutty about skyscrapers as we are and they outnumber us by many.
Most people will know this tower as the Freedom Tower. Do a google search on the name and see what you come up with. Likewise, do a search on 1 WTC, and see what you come up with. Big differnce. It's the Freedom Tower, has been the Freedom Tower, and will be know by the people as the Freedom Tower. YES, the entire concept is the WTC, and will always be. That much is obvious.
What you call the freedom tower WILL be more commonly known as the WORLD TRADE CENTER. I mean unless they put a huge sign on top that says Freedom Tower.
A ridiculous statement. Are you saying only the Freedom Tower alone will be known as the World Trade Center? You must have forgotten the other large office towers rising there. Again, I'll give you the GE Building. We know it's Rockerfeller Center, but the buildings have their own individualities. And what have we been calling 1 Bryant Park? The BofA tower.
It's ridiculous for me to even be having this discussion.
NYguy
May 24, 2007, 9:59 PM
Silverstein, happily smiling over his Freedom Tower construction...
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_05_silvserstein.jpg
gothamist.com
CoolCzech
May 24, 2007, 10:07 PM
Quite honestly, I rather expect the term "World Trade Center" to gradually fade from public use. I always thought of the WTC as the Twin towers; I didn't even realize there WAS a 7 WTC (or a six or five or four, for that matter) prior to 9/11. It's quite clear to me that most visitors within a decade will not even realize that there is any particular relationship between the FT and, let's say, 4 WTC... no more than there is between the BOFA and the Verizon.
Within a decade, aside from a the Post Office and a few skyscraper fans, the term "World Trade Center" will (for the vast majority of the public) reference merely the old Twin Towers that once stood where the waterfalls will be. The radical difference in height and style between the new towers will ensure that.
The famous building will be... the Freedom Tower, famously 1,776 feet tall.
It's a catchy name, one that has already caught on and is sure to remain as firmly planted in the public's mind as, let's say, the comparatively cumbersome - and to most people, inexplicable - "Empire State Building."
NYguy
May 24, 2007, 10:12 PM
^Most people simply called it the Twin Towers. Few people even knew (or cared) that there were smaller buildings around the towers, also part of the World Trade Center.
The complex will still be known as the World Trade Center, even though the buildings themselves go by individual names. Silversein already has his towers as 200, 175, and 150 Greenwich Streets. Who knows what Tower 5 will be called?..
NYguy
May 24, 2007, 10:16 PM
A few more pics from the site (taken Sunday, May 20th)...
They are also working on the West St underpass that will connect to the Freedom Tower and
the rest of the WTC complex, making it possible to travel underground from BPC all the way to
the Fulton Street Transit Center...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/79350930/large.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/79350934/large.jpg
"Ground Zero" is very active in all corners...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/79350956/large.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/79139563/large.jpg
But everyone knows what the star attraction is at this point...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/79350966/large.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/79350966/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77566378/medium.jpg
nygirl1
May 24, 2007, 10:22 PM
Who knows what Tower 5 will be called?..
Five World Trade? ;) Just Kidding. Good point about the BoA.
NYguy
May 24, 2007, 10:29 PM
Five World Trade? ;) Just Kidding. Good point about the BoA.
Didn't mean to sound too harsh, but this complex will always be known as the World Trade Center. The Freedom Tower is a part of that, but it's not the only part. There's now the memorial, the perorming arts center, Calatrava's PATH terminal, etc. It's all the World Trade Center.
CoolCzech
May 24, 2007, 10:53 PM
Oh, I know it will officially be called the WTC, and even in newspapers and such... but I think tourists, for one thing, will be specifically excited about the FT and therefore use THAT name a lot more. Even most New Yorkers, I bet, won't think of the entire place as a complex, even if intellectually they'll likely be aware that in fact it is.
But why argue? Time will tell.
Daquan13
May 24, 2007, 11:38 PM
You're right!!
No need to get into fisticups with these non-believers. We already know what it will be called. Seems that they just want something to argue about.
tone99loc
May 25, 2007, 12:01 AM
lol daquan - it's fisticuffs man, not fisticups!
Daquan13
May 25, 2007, 12:03 AM
Whatever.
You know what I mean. This is not a spellchecker thread. It's about the Freedom Tower.
JMGarcia
May 25, 2007, 1:35 AM
In normal day to day use almost everyone I've ever known in NY called it the "trade center". I'm sure the name isn't going away. The "twin towers" was used more in the media that in day to day use.
The name I really hate is "ground zero". That, IMO, is the worst of them all.
Dalton
May 25, 2007, 2:51 AM
I don't recall anyone outside of the New York City area really using the term "Twin Towers" until after 9/11. And certainly outside of NYC no one used "1 WTC" or "2 WTC" or "North Tower" or "South Tower". Before 9/11 the two buildings were referred to together as the "World Trade Center", and most people never even considered anything other than those two buildings as part of a "WTC complex". For a while, in post 9/11 news reports, the phrase "the twin towers of the World Trade Center" was used, quickly being shortened in the American lexicon to just "Twin Towers" as the event was burned into every American's consciousness.
Only time will tell what names come into common usage for the new 1 WTC. I'm pretty confident few people will call it "one world trade center". Maybe the hep jazz cats will call it "the eff tee" or simply "the Tower". But I'm sure us "rubes" out here in fly-over country will simply call it "Freedom Tower". Sorry if that offends some in NYC. No one out really here cares about Pataki or associates him with the name. Nor do most consider the word "freedom" hoaky. The term "ground zero" will only begin to fade when construction is to the point where there isn't a huge hole in the ground, although it will probably live on as an alternative name for the memorial for a while (Ground Zero Memorial), simply because it is so evocative of the tragedy.
nezzybaby
May 25, 2007, 11:13 AM
how about the freedom trade centre? fair compromise?
M.K.
May 25, 2007, 12:25 PM
For North-Americans the term WTC is the twin towers, undoubtly, but do not forget WTC is all over the world with smaller complexes. In Brazil, each big city has a Word Trade Center building and abroad in China, Europe, Asia and so on. The name WTC is a business. Of course the famous name started with twin towers in NYC, but after 9/2001 in America this name was dead, while abroad is still alive. Freedom Tower is a very good name for the disaster, Ground Zero and a tower that symbolises the replacement and renew, but in some way still remembering the tragedy from obsures hands there made. So for new generations the Freedom Tower will be a famous name. If someone more intelligent ask, where this name came from? then an ancient can tell, please look our park of twin towers old WTC contour here. :tup:
NYonward
May 25, 2007, 12:39 PM
Quite honestly, I rather expect the term "World Trade Center" to gradually fade from public use. I always thought of the WTC as the Twin towers; I didn't even realize there WAS a 7 WTC (or a six or five or four, for that matter) prior to 9/11. It's quite clear to me that most visitors within a decade will not even realize that there is any particular relationship between the FT and, let's say, 4 WTC... no more than there is between the BOFA and the Verizon.
Within a decade, aside from a the Post Office and a few skyscraper fans, the term "World Trade Center" will (for the vast majority of the public) reference merely the old Twin Towers that once stood where the waterfalls will be. The radical difference in height and style between the new towers will ensure that.
The famous building will be... the Freedom Tower, famously 1,776 feet tall.
It's a catchy name, one that has already caught on and is sure to remain as firmly planted in the public's mind as, let's say, the comparatively cumbersome - and to most people, inexplicable - "Empire State Building."
With the breakup in the streets and the distinct buildings, I think there is a chance they will be referred to by address and not by "world trade center". Although, a very slim chance because WTC is so ingrained now and the area will still be called that officially.
Freedom Tower - I don't think it's about being catchy at all. Jm likened it to "statue of liberty" and I disagree with that...it really was a beacon for liberty for immigrants and a symbol of the city. The FT and freedom have no connection and I think it's future name will be subject to who is talking about it. A tourist will likely call it the "freedom tower" while someone who works there may call it "one world trade center". Who knows, I'll be satisfied when it's built.
Daquan13
May 25, 2007, 1:31 PM
With the breakup in the streets and the distinct buildings, I think there is a chance they will be referred to by address and not by "world trade center". Although, a very slim chance because WTC is so ingrained now and the area will still be called that officially.
Freedom Tower - I don't think it's about being catchy at all. Jm likened it to "statue of liberty" and I disagree with that...it really was a beacon for liberty for immigrants and a symbol of the city. The FT and freedom have no connection and I think it's future name will be subject to who is talking about it. A tourist will likely call it the "freedom tower" while someone who works there may call it "one world trade center". Who knows, I'll be satisfied when it's built.
And so will I.
Freedom Tower and 1 WTC are one in the same. And it can't be called a Twin Tower because there is no Twin.
At this point, I just want to see the thing get built as well.:haha:
CoolCzech
May 25, 2007, 5:20 PM
I don't know, Tonyo...
I just can't picture a family of tourists flying in from Omaha or whatnot and the little daughter pleading, "Daddy! Daddy! Can we go see One World Trade Center??!!!"
As for "meaning," well... how many people that even live in New York realize that New York State is - or was, at one time - referred to as "the Empire State?" How many know why?
Jingoistic or not, at least the reason for referring to the FT as such is pretty clear to most people.
Patrick
May 25, 2007, 5:33 PM
I don't know, Tonyo...
I just can't picture a family of tourists flying in from Omaha or whatnot and the little daughter pleading, "Daddy! Daddy! Can we go see One World Trade Center??!!!"
As for "meaning," well... how many people that even live in New York realize that New York State is - or was, at one time - referred to as "the Empire State?" How many know why?
Jingoistic or not, at least the reason for referring to the FT as such is pretty clear to most people.
Most likely everyone will refer it to the "New World Trade Center" or the Freedom Tower. I doubt the 3 other towers will ever become as famous as the original Towers.
Daquan13
May 25, 2007, 6:58 PM
Most likely everyone will refer it to the "New World Trade Center" or the Freedom Tower. I doubt the 3 other towers will ever become as famous as the original Towers.
The Twins had dominated the skies over Lower Manhattan for close to 30 years, and I wish that they were still there so that I could have the chance to visit them at least. They were the tallest buildings on the Eastern Seaboard.:(
Scruffy
May 26, 2007, 2:35 AM
Most likely everyone will refer it to the "New World Trade Center" or the Freedom Tower. I doubt the 3 other towers will ever become as famous as the original Towers.
I doubt any out of staters, tourists or whatever, forumers not included, will call the "New" world trade center. Freedom tower will be used more by out of staters than 1 wtc. in the city, its a tossup. But i can't see them even calling the complex the world trade center when for the past 5 years its been ingrained into everyones brain that it is ground zero. so i believe the majority of people, outside of the press, will simply call it ground zero and freedom tower.
i call it 1wtc. it just works for me. its really just a matter of preference. not a big deal at all.
Daquan13
May 26, 2007, 5:06 AM
Five World Trade? ;) Just Kidding. Good point about the BoA.
How about calling it the Ground Zero Tower? Something to be given the name after the place is all rebuilt. Haha!!
But I think it WILL be called 5 WTC.
NYonward
May 26, 2007, 3:21 PM
I don't know, Tonyo...
I just can't picture a family of tourists flying in from Omaha or whatnot and the little daughter pleading, "Daddy! Daddy! Can we go see One World Trade Center??!!!"
That's basically what I was saying. To everyone from outside NY it will likely be known as the freedom tower. To New Yorkers and the tri-state area it may be known as something else. To those who work there it may be known as some third name entirely. If we are all still talking on SSP in 10 years then we will know who was right and say "I told you so" then.
Daquan13
May 26, 2007, 5:39 PM
To my best knowllege, it will be known as the Freedom Tower and 1 WTC. Now as to whether it will be named by it's address, like the OTHER towers, that still remains to be seen.
But the building numbers from 1 to 7 will stick.:tup:
TAFisher123
May 26, 2007, 8:57 PM
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Daquan13
May 26, 2007, 9:30 PM
:slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob:
This is very :offtopic: and you need to stop it.
Chicago_Illa_Noiz
May 27, 2007, 12:31 AM
while its obvious this design is very plain the building is tall. is this tower going to be the tallest in the country?
Daquan13
May 27, 2007, 12:34 AM
Yes. At least for the time being.
But you know that Windy City will be hot on its heels.
Corbin Dalus
May 28, 2007, 3:19 AM
Please excuse my failure to stay abreast of the progress of this tower, but, what's going on, exactly? Why no major progress in so long? Has it even begun to rise out of the hole, yet?
Daquan13
May 28, 2007, 3:26 AM
You can read some of the previous posts in this thread to get the heads-up.
This will help you keep abreast of the goings-on at Ground Zero.
M.K.
May 28, 2007, 9:42 AM
:haha:
bahhh... :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: This tower never comes....:slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: sick waiting that. Maybe my grandchildren also are going waiting to this raising... Forever. :haha: :jester::haha:
GVNY
May 28, 2007, 9:51 AM
You know, maybe if you just add water, it will pop up out of the ground! Yeah!
Go try it! See what happens.
Daquan13
May 28, 2007, 11:51 AM
:haha:
bahhh... :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: This tower never comes....:slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: sick waiting that. Maybe my grandchildren also are going waiting to this raising... Forever. :haha: :jester::haha:
It's posts like this that put this and other threads in danger of being closed.
Anyway, for those who ARE antisipating the steel to rise for this one, it should something spectacular. Truly something to behold!!:banana:
pico44
May 28, 2007, 11:58 AM
It'll be a while yet before this tower begins to rise. If seeing substructure development is boring to you, then perhaps you should focus your attention on other skyscrapers. Or go read a book.
Daquan13
May 28, 2007, 12:46 PM
I'm NOT complaining about the duration of the tower's construction, dude.
I know all about it.
pico44
May 28, 2007, 7:26 PM
I'm NOT cmplaining about the duration of the tower's construction, dude.
I know all about it.
Relax. I was in no way referring to your posts.
BrandonJXN
May 28, 2007, 7:34 PM
:haha:
bahhh... :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: This tower never comes....:slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: :slob: sick waiting that. Maybe my grandchildren also are going waiting to this raising... Forever. :haha: :jester::haha:
There are more important things to worry about than a skyscraper rising slowly. Seriously...:sly:
nezzybaby
May 29, 2007, 12:14 AM
Im still struggling to understand why people think this is going too slow. When did this officially start construction, has it even been a year yet?? its very very difficult to start the piling and foundations for a tower of this size, even harder when something was built there before. A year is standard for this part of construction, 2 years would be an expected ammount of time when you have to remove or at least alter previous foundations in a complex area in the centre of a major city like new york. The timeline for this structure has been posted in the past, and everything is going to plan, if anything the second tower crane came early. I wonder how many people on this forum are only watching this tower be constructed and are offended by its speed as a result.
BE PATIENT we know that when it starts to rise it will go quick, by quick i mean at a standard rate ie one floor a week. I get the feeling that when we do start to see this rising above ground we will get comments daily going "wow this is fast" as well as those saying "wow this is slow", listen to this if nothing else, building skyscrapers takes time, wait and you will see something incredible.
The piling for this tower started along with many of the towers in dubai's marina supertalls, and none of them are above ground yet, why are you surprised???????????????
edit: what annoys me the most about all this is that once this post has been written i will get 10 people saying "hear, hear" and "well said". Which will push this thread to another page where people will start ranting about how slow it is all over again. If only the timeline could be posted as a sticky at the top of each page, i aint posting this every week till we see steel above ground.
pottebaum
May 29, 2007, 4:20 AM
Al Qaeda Also Fed up With Ground Zero Construction Delays (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/al_qaeda_also_fed_up_with_ground)
Scruffy
May 29, 2007, 5:17 AM
im sorry, that was funny.
a lot of people have been complaining about the slow progress. The building did only start construction about a year ago but more importantly, remember the size. Counting up to the highest occupied floor, this is the tallest building built in this country in 33 years since the Sears Tower was built. This is not filler, this is not a mctower that will come preassembled. Its complex and its not something that should be rushed.
Daquan13
May 29, 2007, 4:06 PM
Al Qaeda Also Fed up With Ground Zero Construction Delays (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/al_qaeda_also_fed_up_with_ground)
I wonder what the connection with this is. Are they waiting to attack the complex again once it is buiult?
Why all this concern for the construction to move along faster all of a sudden? I thinks that something stinks here!!:sly:
CitySkyline
May 29, 2007, 4:18 PM
I wonder what the connection with this is. Are they waiting to attack the complex again once it is buiult?
Why all this concern for the construction to move along faster all of a sudden? I thinks that something stinks here!!:sly:
Dude, it's by The Onion, you know, satire, not real, a joke. The joke being that, yeah, they're wanting the thing to be finished quickly so they can attack again (and what makes it funny is how they're blatantly saying this on "network" TV). But it's just a joke.
nezzybaby
May 29, 2007, 4:35 PM
Some people have no grasp of comedy, that thing made me piss myself laughing.
KevinFromTexas
May 29, 2007, 4:42 PM
Amazing shots, there GarCastle! Thanks for the effort.
It's incredible seeing the foundations of these giants. Simple amazing to see just how huge they are.
Daquan13
May 29, 2007, 7:25 PM
Dude, it's by The Onion, you know, satire, not real, a joke. The joke being that, yeah, they're wanting the thing to be finished quickly so they can attack again (and what makes it funny is how they're blatantly saying this on "network" TV). But it's just a joke.
Well, I DID have my suspicions on that anyway.
Because NO ONE from that network has publicly spoke beforte on the NWTC, and why now? What a joke?:banana:
RockMont
May 29, 2007, 9:33 PM
im sorry, that was funny.
a lot of people have been complaining about the slow progress. The building did only start construction about a year ago but more importantly, remember the size. Counting up to the highest occupied floor, this is the tallest building built in this country in 33 years since the Sears Tower was built. This is not filler, this is not a mctower that will come preassembled. Its complex and its not something that should be rushed.
It took quite a few years to complete the twin towers.
GarCastle
May 30, 2007, 2:48 AM
Im still struggling to understand why people think this is going too slow. When did this officially start construction, has it even been a year yet?? its very very difficult to start the piling and foundations for a tower of this size, even harder when something was built there before.
No worries Nezzy, some people are just practiced retards. And my phrase for those folks: Halt sei ein verlangsamt!
It's an impressive construction site. I plan to make it out there again in a couple months for more photos.
newstl2020
May 31, 2007, 5:49 PM
It took quite a few years to complete the twin towers.
Correct me if I am wrong on this point, but I believe the twins had a total construction time of 5 years. As in, they were both finished in 5 years. Doesn't seem like that long to me.
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