NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[SearsTower]

Some people here really needs to go to the World Trade Center site. If 4 World Trade Center and 1 World Trade Center looks small to you then you haven't been there.

That's pretty true, I remember when I visited over a year ago and it looked huge even then. The concrete base of 1 WTC makes it look really impenetrable.

[CarlosV]

I will go tomorrow to the site...and see how everything is coming along....upclose and personal!

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[meh_cd]

... 1 WTC doesn't seem to be tall anymore,at least to me. Seeing those pictures comparing it to the rest of of New York's tallest,it's just a step up. Hope the new projects go higher and higher and here's hoping 1 WTC's rooftop gets a jump. I know it can happen,even if everything is planned,existing structures can act as "floors".

It replaces what we lost. That is enough for me. The only thing that ruffles my feathers now is the possible loss of the restaurant. If they have removed the service elevators, then they will have a tough time opening any kind of restaurant or food service operation in the future.

If someone wants to build bigger and taller in Manhattan, then let them. The WTC will always be special to those of us who were alive during 9/11.

Fantastic shots as always, Carlos. What I wouldn't give to spend a day on your balcony gazing at the skyline. Can I buy a ticket? :haha:

[gramsjdg]

Unfortunately, adding floors would ruin the design, (unless you turned the top into an enclosed pyramid like the Washington Monument) but they could turn the communication rings into enclosed observation decks, and maybe a rotating restaurant. Then it would have a higher obs. deck than Sears, at least. The rings would need to be a little thicker and they would have to add an elevator or two that would rise from floor 102, but there should still be plenty of room for the HVAC exhausts. Put the communication ring antennas on some other more nondescript building. :ohyeah

[Roadcruiser1]

Unfortunately, adding floors would ruin the design, (unless you turned the top into an enclosed pyramid like the Washington Monument) but they could turn the communication rings into enclosed observation decks, and maybe a rotating restaurant. Then it would have a higher obs. deck than Sears, at least. The rings would need to be a little thicker and they would have to add an elevator or two that would rise from floor 102, but there should still be plenty of room for the HVAC exhausts. Put the communication ring antennas on some other more nondescript building. :ohyeah

There are already observation decks in One World Trade Center, and there is going to be empty floors in Two World Trade Center that could be convertible into restaurants so there isn't need for that.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: NYBOY75

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[CyberEric]

It was a good question. It was just a dumb answer. They're not working on every floor all the time and don't need all those lights for what they do. The lights are enough to keep surfaces a fraction of a degree warmer than surrounding air as long as the air temp doesn't change too fast. They keep condensation down.
And Partick has probably been obnoxious since Truman was President. That's can be a problem with honest men.

Thank you for the answer and for being kind and respectful. :)

[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: NYBOY75

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[QUEENSNYMAN]

FROM: NYBOY75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjR6pr3eMcs

[sw5710]

Otie. On the diagram of 1 WTC it has floor 93 at 15' 2'' tall but there is no 93m listed.

[Otie]

^I got messed while editing, actually now that I took a look it's also missing 102M and 104M, the spire's strakes as well as some construction stuff like hoisting elevators; I need also to relocate the lable "Top of structure" to the top of parapet since the perimeter columns extend all the way to this elevation, "top of structure" is not the appropiate term to use now that I think; I need also to fix the guy wires, the angle is not correct... Missing the "64th Skylobby" label too. haha :tup:

[flemington]

Anyway, there's a great progress made. Now the 1WTC really makes a presence in Manh. I don't have an idea how it's gonna look after the "spire" gets installed. THE GREATEST CITY ON EARTH!!!

Carlos - awesome photos, as always!!!

[sw5710]

^I got messed while editing, actually now that I took a look it's also missing 102M and 104M... I'll fix it.

Cool great work!:)

[Otie]

There are already observation decks in One World Trade Center, and there is going to be empty floors in Two World Trade Center that could be convertible into restaurants so there isn't need for that.

Interesting proposal but there are some technical issues: WSPC&S would need to add an extra elevator bank and convert it into express to the top, and really there isn't any space to add it into the current design, also the top of the building will get eventually filled with mechanical stuff, including HVAC & elevator machines, the upper area of the diamonds is way too small to put a restaurant up there...
We ain't gonna see another Windows on the World style restaurant at this site, more likely restaurant chains at the concourse levels and maybe at the podium of 3WTC.. Still waiting for a public release from Westfield for true data.

[Dense_Electric]

What's Westfield's relationship with the site?

[Otie]

It won the contract to operate 488,00 sq feet of retail through the concourse levels. Brookfield will compete with a revamping of the WFC.

[Otie]

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[ThisSideofSteinway]

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Another quick and dirty iPhone photo from about 10:30 this morning. Took it on the 7 train, between 33rd Street and Queensboro Plaza.

[MadGnome]

Unfortunately, adding floors would ruin the design, (unless you turned the top into an enclosed pyramid like the Washington Monument) but they could turn the communication rings into enclosed observation decks, and maybe a rotating restaurant. Then it would have a higher obs. deck than Sears, at least. The rings would need to be a little thicker and they would have to add an elevator or two that would rise from floor 102, but there should still be plenty of room for the HVAC exhausts. Put the communication ring antennas on some other more nondescript building. :ohyeah

The comms ring doesn't work so well if it's blocked in certain directions by taller buildings. Being able to clear every other nearby building gives it a unique advantage. Providers don't have to add so many secondary sites to complete coverage.
They could always open up a strip of roof inside the parapet, under the ring for observation if they wanted. I'm not sure if the roof will be crowded with mechanical stuff or not.

[gramsjdg]

Interesting thing is, at around the 1500 ft mark, above the guy wires, the spire is about as wide as the 102nd floor obs. deck on the ESB. You could put in a spiral staircase and glass panels in place of the radome panels at that point...

[Roadcruiser1]

Interesting thing is, at around the 1500 ft mark, above the guy wires, the spire is about as wide as the 102nd floor obs. deck on the ESB. You could put in a spiral staircase and glass panels in place of the radome panels at that point...

Problem is there are communication equipment that spews out radiation at the top. That is why there was no observation deck on the North Tower on the original World Trade Center either.

[jd3189]

It replaces what we lost. That is enough for me. The only thing that ruffles my feathers now is the possible loss of the restaurant. If they have removed the service elevators, then they will have a tough time opening any kind of restaurant or food service operation in the future.

If someone wants to build bigger and taller in Manhattan, then let them. The WTC will always be special to those of us who were alive during 9/11.

Fantastic shots as always, Carlos. What I wouldn't give to spend a day on your balcony gazing at the skyline. Can I buy a ticket? :haha:

I agree.

[jd3189]

Interesting thing is, at around the 1500 ft mark, above the guy wires, the spire is about as wide as the 102nd floor obs. deck on the ESB. You could put in a spiral staircase and glass panels in place of the radome panels at that point...

That's what's I was thinking about. Add another obs deck there. Then views of the Brooklyn Bridge and East River directly east of Lower Manhattan will not be blocked by 2 WTC if it won't have any space for one. Some things have to be compromised.

Problem is there are communication equipment that spews out radiation at the top. That is why there was no observation deck on the North Tower on the original World Trade Center either.

So,even in the 21st century they still can't lower radiation emissions from building antennas?

[Roadcruiser1]

So, even in the 21st century they still can't lower radiation emissions from building antennas?

There is a reason why they didn't put an observation deck on the telecommunications ring. They planned one but it failed. It would have provided the same view you guys want now but it's not happening.

[sw5710]

The ESB has tv transmitters and dishes mounted on the mast just above the 86th floor outside observation deck. Just not as many as the WTC will have near the roof with the ring.

[jd3189]

There is a reason why they didn't put an observation deck on the telecommunications ring. They planned one but it failed. It would have provided the same view you guys want now but it's not happening.

No,not on the rings. The part of the spire that is at the 1,500 ft spot is as large as the 102th floor of the ESB. If an elevator or line of stairs is built inside,there would be a higher view looking out above 2 WTC.

[Roadcruiser1]

No,not on the rings. The part of the spire that is at the 1,500 ft spot is as large as the 102th floor of the ESB. If an elevator or line of stairs is built inside,there would be a higher view looking out above 2 WTC.

But this is where the radiation spews out. It won't work.

[jd3189]

:previous: So,I guess the chances of getting a taller deck are gone of 1 WTC. But at least it's getting built.

[Zapatan]

yea but as pessimistic as I usually am about this project, even I say 1270 feet isn't exactly low, its decently high


30 feet aint gonna make a difference between the this and the old WTC indoor deck

outdoor deck? go to ESB

[Roadcruiser1]

yea but as pessimistic as I usually am about this project, even I say 1270 feet isn't exactly low, its decently high


30 feet aint gonna make a difference between the this and the old WTC indoor deck

outdoor deck? go to ESB

It's still taller than the Empire State Building. SMH Everyone just wants tall. If they really want tall then they should take a helicopter ride of NYC for a day with 100 bucks. Now that would give you a even better view than the original World Trade Center.

[MadGnome]

Problem is there are communication equipment that spews out radiation at the top. That is why there was no observation deck on the North Tower on the original World Trade Center either.

Because of the directional nature of those antennas, you received more rf radiation on the roof of the South tower than you did on the roof of the North tower.

[Roadcruiser1]

Because of the directional nature of those antennas, you received more rf radiation on the roof of the South tower than you did on the roof of the North tower.

The South Tower was far enough from the North Tower to not really be affected by the radiation coming from the North Tower. The radiation zone didn't affect the buildings surrounding it. It came off the roof of the North Tower and only affected the roof of the North Tower. That is why the roof of the North Tower was closed to everyone except for building personnel.

[CarlosV]

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[chris123678]

I love One World Trade Center but, why are we making it smaller? I researched and the spans bewteen the outer wall and the core is 40 feet on this building.

But on the orginal twins it was 60 feet bewteen the core and outerwall. Why are we making a smaller tower?:(

[CarlosV]

^^^
:shrug:

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[Roadcruiser1]

I love One World Trade Center but, why are we making it smaller? I researched and the spans bewteen the outer wall and the core is 40 feet on this building.

But on the orginal twins it was 60 feet bewteen the core and outerwall. Why are we making a smaller tower?:(

The shape for One World Trade Center is an octagonal prism compared to the Twin Towers which were rectangular prisms.

[chris123678]

The shape for One World Trade Center is an octagonal prism compared to the Twin Towers which were rectangular prisms.

Yeah but what does that have to do with why they are shorter?

[Roadcruiser1]

Yeah but what does that have to do with why they are shorter?

The shape of an octagon is bent inwards compared to a square which is equal at all sides.

[Roadcruiser1]

Yeah but what does that have to do with why they are shorter?

Here is a picture of their floor plans drawn by me, but was mentioned in the PDF. Which is smaller the square or the octagon?

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[Otie]

Chris, the spans between the outer columns and the core walls at both north and south sides is 45'-0" on every office floor. This distance is kept all the way up to the last floor. What changes is the spans at the east and west sides. The proportion of space that takes the core is more or less kept at every floor due to the constant changing of size. I can send ya a couple of floor plans so you can draw your own conclusions, just PM me. :tup:

[chris123678]

Here is a picture of their floor plans drawn by me, but was mentioned in the PDF. Which is smaller the square or the octagon?

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the octagon looks smaller but, the lengths bewteen the core and outer wall look just about the same to me. The octagon's core looks a little bit smaller to me.

[chris123678]

Chris, the spans between the outer columns and the core walls at both north and south sides is 45'-0" on every office floor. This distance is kept all the way up to the last floor. What changes is the spans at the east and west sides. The proportion of space that takes the core is more or less kept at every floor due to the constant changing of size. I can send ya a couple of floor plans so you can draw your own conclusions, just PM me. :tup:


yes will you please send them to me. I'm so confused

[MadGnome]

The South Tower was far enough from the North Tower to not really be affected by the radiation coming from the North Tower. The radiation zone didn't affect the buildings surrounding it. It came off the roof of the North Tower and only affected the roof of the North Tower. That is why the roof of the North Tower was closed to everyone except for building personnel.

You really need to stop posting on subjects you don't understand. You obviously have no knowledge whatsoever of the nature of rf or antennas. Or lighting or anything else you pretend to be an expert on. Your gratuitous use of the scary term" radiation" might impress a few folks just as dumb as you are, but to anybody who knows anything at all, it's just annoying.

[Roadcruiser1]

I am not lying. Stop drawing on that conclusion, because I had used the PDF. You are just angry that I have proved that the mast idea won't work.

[Roadcruiser1]

You really need to stop posting on subjects you don't understand. You obviously have no knowledge whatsoever of the nature of rf or antennas. Or lighting or anything else you pretend to be an expert on. Your gratuitous use of the scary term" radiation" might impress a few folks just as dumb as you are, but to anybody who knows anything at all, it's just annoying.

Here is the darn PDF. You can see the floor plan and everything else if you want.

http://www.cushwake.com/OneWorldTradeCenter/OneWTC.pdf

Now stop picking up fights with people that have statistics and facts.

[Otie]

Antenna radiation is not the principal reason why SOM rejected the outdoor O.D. plans; the cooling towers and the 3 window washing cranes (specially these ones) were the principal obstacles.

[Roadcruiser1]

Antenna radiation is not the principal reason why SOM rejected the outdoor O.D. plans; the cooling towers and the 3 window washing cranes (specially these ones) were the principal obstacles.

Thanks for proving that antennas release radiation.

[Roadcruiser1]

Oh yeah if you look at the PDF I drew the floor plan for floor number 50. It's the most easiest one because the other ones aren't that easy to draw out.

[gramsjdg]

Guess we'll just have to wait until somebody builds a skyscraper in NY with a higher roof height to get an Obs deck that's significantly higher than what NY used to have with the South Tower...

Just finish the MetLife building for Pete's sake.:shrug:

[CarlosV]

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[jd3189]

Guess we'll just have to wait until somebody builds a skyscraper in NY with a higher roof height to get an Obs deck that's significantly higher than what NY used to have with the South Tower...

Just finish the MetLife building for Pete's sake.:shrug:

I know right? I don't hate the new WTC but I just wanted it to be more than what we're actually getting.

[CarlosV]

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[06hdfxdwg]

Guess we'll just have to wait until somebody builds a skyscraper in NY with a higher roof height to get an Obs deck that's significantly higher than what NY used to have with the South Tower...

Just finish the MetLife building for Pete's sake.:shrug:

Hmmm. Your post makes me wonder if they actually could go higher. What i mean is,when 1 wtc tops out,it actually becomes square again at the roof. I'm not good with cad software or photo software.........in fact i suck with it. What im wondering is how 1 wtc might look if they went up with the square configuration for a few floors to get the roof height itself up to a level where it could be labeled as having the highest roof height,observation deck etc etc. I know there would be some extra engineering involved. Perhaps one of you young people could do a rendering of it and post it,i dunno. Just a fleeting thought but hey maybe it wouldn't look too bad. Just wondering is all. I mean i would kind of like to see there be no discrepancies about anything and that its the tallest in every category.........in the United States anyway. *shrugs shoulders*

[Roadcruiser1]

Hmmm. Your post makes me wonder if they actually could go higher. What i mean is,when 1 wtc tops out,it actually becomes square again at the roof. I'm not good with cad software or photo software.........in fact i suck with it. What im wondering is how 1 wtc might look if they went up with the square configuration for a few floors to get the roof height itself up to a level where it could be labeled as having the highest roof height,observation deck etc etc. I know there would be some extra engineering involved. Perhaps one of you young people could do a rendering of it and post it,i dunno. Just a fleeting thought but hey maybe it wouldn't look too bad. Just wondering is all. I mean i would kind of like to see there be no discrepancies about anything and that its the tallest in every category.........in the United States anyway. *shrugs shoulders*

Can't. The building has been designed to fit the dimensions it has now. Anything else would throw the building off balance. Maybe a taller building can be built in the Hudson Yards up at Midtown.

[CarlosV]

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[Roadcruiser1]

The problem most people have with One World Trade Center seems to stem from the high amount of mechanical floors. Sometimes I do wonder what they put so much up there, but I have a feeling it's to save lives during another 9/11 like event. It isn't to trigger arguments or anything just meant to protect lives. It's also the reason why the base of One World Trade Center is a massive concrete block. Also you have to remember that this site has been attacked once and they will come back. Maybe not tomorrow morning, maybe not next week, but they will come back.

[CarlosV]

^^^
Correction..attacked twice my friend 1993 & 2001!

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[N830MH]

^^^
Correction..attacked twice my friend 1993 & 2001!

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Wow!!! Looking good. Keep it up the good work! I can see it more.

[06hdfxdwg]

The problem most people have with One World Trade Center seems to stem from the high amount of mechanical floors. Sometimes I do wonder what they put so much up there, but I have a feeling it's to save lives during another 9/11 like event. It isn't to trigger arguments or anything just meant to protect lives. It's also the reason why the base of One World Trade Center is a massive concrete block. Also you have to remember that this site has been attacked once and they will come back. Maybe not tomorrow morning, maybe not next week, but they will come back.

I think you make a valid point. I think they wanted a symbol of our resolve,yet in the back of someones head,they were thinking "what if?" so that,in my opinion has something to do with the location of the observation deck and the lack of a restaurant (i don't think there is going to be one). Someone a while back had posted that they would have liked to see the roof at 1776' and the tip of the spire at 2001' and i really sort of agreed with that. Being a former military man,that,in my opinion really would have been the ultimate F**K Y*U to the people that bought the twins down. I know that might sound arrogant,and perhaps it is and i know people might disagree with me and thats fine too. It's just my own personal belief. I guess what irritated me was the pandering that went on as i was watching the whole design competition unfold in 2003. That whole process,in my opinion was corrupt from the get go. Anyway,i'll get off my soapbox as it's late and my pillow beckons.

[CarlosV]

Almost there....

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[Roadcruiser1]

I think you make a valid point. I think they wanted a symbol of our resolve,yet in the back of someones head,they were thinking "what if?" so that,in my opinion has something to do with the location of the observation deck and the lack of a restaurant (i don't think there is going to be one). Someone a while back had posted that they would have liked to see the roof at 1776' and the tip of the spire at 2001' and i really sort of agreed with that. Being a former military man,that,in my opinion really would have been the ultimate F**K Y*U to the people that bought the twins down. I know that might sound arrogant,and perhaps it is and i know people might disagree with me and thats fine too. It's just my own personal belief. I guess what irritated me was the pandering that went on as i was watching the whole design competition unfold in 2003. That whole process,in my opinion was corrupt from the get go. Anyway,i'll get off my soapbox as it's late and my pillow beckons.

One World Trade Center actually almost perfectly matches the former Twin Towers. The shape might be different but the roof height is the same at 1,386 feet, the mast height is higher than the one on the North Tower (1727 feet vs 1787 feet), and the base is 200 by 200 feet. Same in almost every way. Missing a Twin is the only thing it has missing.

[CarlosV]

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funny sign one block away.....

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[Roadcruiser1]

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funny sign one block away.....

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That sign should have said World Trade Center 2013. Come and visit once it's complete, and featured a rendering of One World Trade Center.

[NYCLuver]

I haven't been down to the site in a month! I need to go back and take some photos! Maybe next weekend. :)

[CHAPINM1]

To those making invaluable contribuations to this thread with all your photos and information, thank you for everything!!! Carlos, I've followed your updates for years whether it was the Bank of America Tower, New York Times Tower, ect, please keep it up with the WTC! Despite all the absurd trolling and off-topic comments, all the great photos and updates keep me checking on this thread more than one can phathom! ^^

[Zafor]

I love One World Trade Center but, why are we making it smaller? I researched and the spans bewteen the outer wall and the core is 40 feet on this building.

But on the orginal twins it was 60 feet bewteen the core and outerwall. Why are we making a smaller tower?:(

Remember, the mass of the twins is spread throughout the new four world trade center buildings. Don't forget 5 WTC too. At first, I did not like how this building got smaller as it tapered to the top, but there is a reason why they did it. Safety. 1 World Trade possesses an illusion. On one side it looks like the Washington monument (I do not really like this angle, but its futuristic) on the other the tower looks like the north and south tower put together in one building(personally my favorite angle of the tower because it looks as if it does not get smaller as it gets to the top-even though it does)I think a thinner building is more modern too. The twins were a little fat to me. But yeah, I guess symbolism in a building attracts terrorists, which may have been why the Freedom Tower name was converted to 1 WTC.

[CarlosV]

To those making invaluable contribuations to this thread with all your photos and information, thank you for everything!!! Carlos, I've followed your updates for years whether it was the Bank of America Tower, New York Times Tower, ect, please keep it up with the WTC! Despite all the absurd trolling and off-topic comments, all the great photos and updates keep me checking on this thread more than one can phathom! ^^

Thanks :hi:

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[yankeesfan1000]

To those making invaluable contribuations to this thread with all your photos and information, thank you for everything!!! Carlos, I've followed your updates for years whether it was the Bank of America Tower, New York Times Tower, ect, please keep it up with the WTC! Despite all the absurd trolling and off-topic comments, all the great photos and updates keep me checking on this thread more than one can phathom! ^^

+1

To anyone expecting new steel or even photos today, don't count on it. Fog is so thick I literally can't see more than a 100 yards out my window.

[2-TOWERS]

To those making invaluable contribuations to this thread with all your photos and information, thank you for everything!!! Carlos, I've followed your updates for years whether it was the Bank of America Tower, New York Times Tower, ect, please keep it up with the WTC! Despite all the absurd trolling and off-topic comments, all the great photos and updates keep me checking on this thread more than one can phathom! ^^
HEY CHAPINM I couldn't have said it better ....thank God Carlos came here to SSF , because I would only visit SSC to to see the Carlos Cam...not to mention the photos he took at the memorial...it was like we were there....

[Chicago103]

Right, because the original 107th floor of the South Tower was 1,298' 4" above elevation 310 or street level so it was 1,308' 4" above sea level. The new one on floor 102 will go up to 1,266' 8" and I guess 1,277' 10" above sea level so not too bad. I'm glad they scrapped the restaurant. They could always put places to eat up there to mix in with the Observation Deck like the South Tower had with Sbarro and Nathan's.

So the 1,310 feet measure I have read for the old WTC 2 observatory was measured from sea level and not street level?

[justmehere]

Carlos,
Most of your picture were looking North, but thanks for the latest pictures thread 919. it shows us the South/ SouthEast
of the WTC1. and as always great images.:worship:

[meh_cd]

The problem most people have with One World Trade Center seems to stem from the high amount of mechanical floors. Sometimes I do wonder what they put so much up there, but I have a feeling it's to save lives during another 9/11 like event. It isn't to trigger arguments or anything just meant to protect lives. It's also the reason why the base of One World Trade Center is a massive concrete block. Also you have to remember that this site has been attacked once and they will come back. Maybe not tomorrow morning, maybe not next week, but they will come back.

There are so many mechanical floors because they are incorporating HVAC into the building itself. The original towers used a gigantic chiller plant underground (west of the mall) to service the towers. Hence only a few mechanical floors per tower, and no gigantic fans and vents at the top of the building.

This time, the chiller plant will primarily service the underground portions of the site. It isn't as large, in part, due to environmental concerns in the Hudson River.

[NewYorker2009]

So the 1,310 feet measure I have read for the old WTC 2 observatory was measured from sea level and not street level?

Till this day I still have no real idea where they got the 1,310' figure from. The heights I mentioned are the correct ones from the blueprints. Tower One will won't be as high but will still offer pretty much the same views just more to the northwest direction.

[Danielson27]

+1

To anyone expecting new steel or even photos today, don't count on it. Fog is so thick I literally can't see more than a 100 yards out my window.

I see new steel :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6461247717_7ec6af0c8e_b.jpg

[CarlosV]

+1

To anyone expecting new steel or even photos today, don't count on it. Fog is so thick I literally can't see more than a 100 yards out my window.


You spoke too soon....steel has been added at the perimeter of the columns and i can take photos even thru the damn fog!!!! :) with my X ray lens!!!

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[NYC4Life]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6458721031_02f110b04a_b.jpg

Looks like we're getting an early preview of what the spire will look like :haha:

Great shots Carlos.

[CarlosV]

i love this one....

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[NewYorkSkyline117]

When is the saftey netting going up? For some reason it makes look more solid let alone taller

[sw5710]

I thought the netting would go up before they start beams.

[animatedmartian]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6460808275_63f9e09778_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakashi/6460808275/)
Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakashi/6460808275/) by nakashi (http://www.flickr.com/people/nakashi/)

[NYC GUY]

^^^
Amazing :)

[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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one world trade center; 12/5/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6461940527/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Please do not repost, copy, or otherwise reproduce. Thank you. :banana:

[jd3189]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/98131992@N00/
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6457691721_2b4f4e15bb_b.jpg

[george]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6460808275_63f9e09778_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakashi/6460808275/)
Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nakashi/6460808275/) by nakashi (http://www.flickr.com/people/nakashi/)

This shot really shows the soaring height of 1WTC.

[CarlosV]

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[2-TOWERS]

This shot really shows the soaring height of 1WTC.

this side shows the look of 200 x 200 all the way up.... and we make 1000 pages by 2012 at the rate we been going these days....

[Islander]

How high is that steel now?

[NewYorkSkyline117]

How high is that steel now?

1, 132 feet :tup:

[NewYorkSkyline117]

http://www.wtc.com/images/wtc_final_420px.2011.10.03.mp4

[Big Rooster]

http://www.wtc.com/images/wtc_final_420px.2011.10.03.mp4

What A Video.

:worship:

A pint of beer to the first person who invents a time machine so we can just fast forward 5 years and see the WTC in all its glory.

[CarlosV]

today and this evening, extremely foggy ....

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[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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through the fog of uncertainty, i shall stand resolute. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6463514911/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Do not repost, copy, or otherwise reproduce. Thank you.:banana:

[gramsjdg]

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through the fog of uncertainty, i shall stand resolute. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6463514911/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Do not repost, copy, or otherwise reproduce. Thank you.:banana:


Woah- that shot is badass! :worship:

[599GTO]

http://s1.directupload.net/images/111206/uvflfgr7.png
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*faints*

[599GTO]

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[flemington]

Great shots guys!!!

I hope that they will reconsider the height of observation deck(s).
Would be great to have an outdoor deck too. Parapet could be an answer...

[sterlippo1]

http://www.wtc.com/images/wtc_final_420px.2011.10.03.mp4

I have an uncontrolled goose bump attack...that was incredible!!!!!:worship:

and, the post above said its 1132 ft now which means 2WTC and 3 WTC will both be taller still than 1 WTC is right now:cheers:

[NewYorkSkyline117]

I have an uncontrolled goose bump attack...that was incredible!!!!!:worship:

and, the post above said its 1132 ft now which means 2WTC and 3 WTC will both be taller still than 1 WTC is right now:cheers:

Right I went crazy. And wow that's so true... I can't even imagine. The poor Empire State Building lol :notacrook:

[CarlosV]

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