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OneWorldTradeCenter
Feb 22, 2010, 6:00 PM
WOW; great. Where do I find it??? Great! Is there some model of the completed tower...??

uaarkson
Feb 22, 2010, 6:10 PM
Are you talking about the U/C model of 1WTC? It should be there by default when you go to Manhattan in Google Earth. As for a completed WTC set, they have one somewhere on the internet available for download.

sask1982
Feb 22, 2010, 6:19 PM
Someone posted a pic a while back of a Freedom Tower replica, already in existence, just a shorter version...does anyone remember the name of the bldg or where it was?

You Need A Thneed
Feb 22, 2010, 6:32 PM
Let's see, all the plumbing is in the core. The HVAC ducts are all above the ceiling.

The office spaces are to be "Tenant fit out" so if someone wants a raised floor system they can have it, as long as they pay for it.


It doesn't really make sense for a tenant to do it themselves, as elevators stop at a certain point, which if a raised floor would be added, would be too low. (among other reasons why a tenant wouldn't add one after the fact)

I'm assuming what you are saying is that 1WTC doesn't have a raised flooring system.

JDRCRASH
Feb 22, 2010, 7:57 PM
Watched 60 Minutes last night on the whole project. Just sad...

MadGnome
Feb 22, 2010, 8:36 PM
It doesn't really make sense for a tenant to do it themselves, as elevators stop at a certain point, which if a raised floor would be added, would be too low. (among other reasons why a tenant wouldn't add one after the fact)

I'm assuming what you are saying is that 1WTC doesn't have a raised flooring system.

Elevators stop wherever they want them to stop. I'm sure they have different sensors or switches than they did in my day, but I doubt it's rocket science to adjust the stop point.

You Need A Thneed
Feb 22, 2010, 8:45 PM
Elevators stop wherever they want them to stop. I'm sure they have different sensors or switches than they did in my day, but I doubt it's rocket science to adjust the stop point.

It's not just adjusting a stop point, the tenant would also have to physically alter the elevator doors (raise them up a foot). Could be done, but it would be a big hassle after the fact.

uakoops
Feb 22, 2010, 9:45 PM
It doesn't really make sense for a tenant to do it themselves, as elevators stop at a certain point, which if a raised floor would be added, would be too low. (among other reasons why a tenant wouldn't add one after the fact)

I'm assuming what you are saying is that 1WTC doesn't have a raised flooring system.

The elevator lobby would not have a raised floor. There would be steps/ramp into the actual tenant space where the floor is raised. Every telecom CoLo that I've worked at is set up like that.

NYguy
Feb 23, 2010, 1:28 AM
Matt Wootton (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattwootton/4380151426/sizes/o/)

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4380152664_f85d81a76c_o.jpg

Continental180
Feb 23, 2010, 1:49 AM
its so nice to see it finally leveled off for the base.

NYguy
Feb 23, 2010, 2:21 PM
Rise baby..

feelsgoodlost (http://www.flickr.com/photos/feelsgoodlost/4381337605/sizes/l/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4381337605_6a4788dc54_b.jpg


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Govertical
Feb 23, 2010, 4:03 PM
What is the building U/C dressed in blue on the first pic?

CalibratedZeus
Feb 23, 2010, 4:17 PM
Its getting deconstructed actually. The old Deutsche Bank Building, still standing but never used again since 9/11.

Biff
Feb 23, 2010, 4:59 PM
Rise baby..

feelsgoodlost (http://www.flickr.com/photos/feelsgoodlost/4381337605/sizes/l/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4381337605_6a4788dc54_b.jpg





No one bite my head off here, but i have thought this for some time....to me One World Trade Centre seems small. By that i mean floorplate size. I am only comparing it to the buildings around it - the World Financial Center Towers, 7 World Trade Center etc...there is no denying that it will be tall and apparently fairly skinny, it will definitely soar. I just remember pictures of the Twins before and thinking that they are not only tall but massive buildings. Maybe the pictures just don't do it's size (width) justice, but it is just my observation.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Feb 23, 2010, 5:04 PM
WOW, great images :cheers:

Continental180
Feb 23, 2010, 5:20 PM
No one bite my head off here, but i have thought this for some time....to me One World Trade Centre seems small. By that i mean floorplate size. I am only comparing it to the buildings around it - the World Financial Center Towers, 7 World Trade Center etc...there is no denying that it will be tall and apparently fairly skinny, it will definitely soar. I just remember pictures of the Twins before and thinking that they are not only tall but massive buildings. Maybe the pictures just don't do it's size (width) justice, but it is just my observation.

i swear to god, i was thinking the same thing. It looks so small compared to even just the WTC site. I guess in person it will be grand and all.

uakoops
Feb 23, 2010, 5:21 PM
No one bite my head off here, but i have thought this for some time....to me One World Trade Centre seems small. By that i mean floorplate size. I am only comparing it to the buildings around it - the World Financial Center Towers, 7 World Trade Center etc...there is no denying that it will be tall and apparently fairly skinny, it will definitely soar. I just remember pictures of the Twins before and thinking that they are not only tall but massive buildings. Maybe the pictures just don't do it's size (width) justice, but it is just my observation.

1WTC is about the same size as the original twins, approx. 200' x 200'.

russbaseball
Feb 23, 2010, 5:25 PM
good to see this getting up there. great photo updates!!

CalibratedZeus
Feb 23, 2010, 5:36 PM
It is funny because just taken from the photos, I envisioned it smaller as well. That is until I went and saw it in person, photos just do not do this tower justice, the scope of the steel and just the sheer amount of steel is mind-boggling.

It almost makes me sad that all of that steelwork will one day be covered.

I posted this one a few days ago, but maybe just to help with the size I blew this up a little bit, notice the worker in the middle compared to the two beams.

http://distinctdisadvantage.comuv.com/pictures/wtc/worltradesteel.jpg

Continental180
Feb 23, 2010, 5:51 PM
It is funny because just taken from the photos, I envisioned it smaller as well. That is until I went and saw it in person, photos just do not do this tower justice, the scope of the steel and just the sheer amount of steel is mind-boggling.

It almost makes me sad that all of that steelwork will one day be covered.

I posted this one a few days ago, but maybe just to help with the size I blew this up a little bit, notice the worker in the middle compared to the two beams.



lol yeah that helps with size. thats one big lobby then, right?

MadGnome
Feb 23, 2010, 7:16 PM
You can see the footprint of the original right next to #1. I think it's 8' smaller than the actual building was, but it's close.

blue_dragon
Feb 23, 2010, 7:41 PM
if it's 200x200 ft at the base, how much will it be at roof height? from the design, it seems like the building shrinks as it rises, like 150x150 ft at the top?

tulip city madman
Feb 23, 2010, 8:21 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4382303205_ff8d2a89a3_o.jpg

CHAPINM1
Feb 23, 2010, 8:47 PM
Once finished, I remember hearing that the base will be 205' by 205' Zeensteeldude said if I remember correctly.

kenratboy
Feb 23, 2010, 9:56 PM
The originals were 208' x 208'

An acre is 43,560 sq. ft.

The square root of 43,560 is 208'

Clever ;)

BrownTown
Feb 23, 2010, 11:53 PM
1WTC is about the same size as the original twins, approx. 200' x 200'.

At the base it is, but it tapers such that the roof has a much smaller baseplate.

Zensteeldude
Feb 24, 2010, 12:54 AM
The Twins were 212' square all the way up (rounded off to the nearest foot), Tower One well be 205' square at the 20th floor. ( current top of steel)

Tower One well be 144' square at the top of the parapet, a square rotated 45 degrees from the base of course.

All measurements are to the outside of the curtain wall or cladding. ( Overall outside dimension)

Zensteeldude
Feb 24, 2010, 12:59 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4382303205_ff8d2a89a3_o.jpg
Your drawing is perfect, but is to the center of the columns.:)

I'm cheating, I have a full set of prints.

CHAPINM1
Feb 24, 2010, 4:35 AM
With construction where it is and with all the plans and renderings, I am really getting excited for this one! When it is done, those of us in NYC or who plan to visit should make a huge push to be amongst the very first to visit the observatory!

Pizzuti
Feb 24, 2010, 10:01 PM
No one bite my head off here, but i have thought this for some time....to me One World Trade Centre seems small. By that i mean floorplate size. I am only comparing it to the buildings around it - the World Financial Center Towers, 7 World Trade Center etc...there is no denying that it will be tall and apparently fairly skinny, it will definitely soar. I just remember pictures of the Twins before and thinking that they are not only tall but massive buildings. Maybe the pictures just don't do it's size (width) justice, but it is just my observation.


To put this in perspective, this building is 48-feet farther across at its widest point than a football field is wide, meaning that it extends about from the first row of seats to the opposite first row of seats in the average stadium.

I agree that the base seems dwarfed in the image you were referring to, which is very deceptive based on both the distance of the building's base and the size of the surrounding buildings and the site in general. Envision a football stadium next to the tower base in the image and you get a sense of the scale of all the buildings in this area.

You can see the footprints of the old WTC in the image and they aren't any bigger.

NewYorker2009
Feb 25, 2010, 12:52 AM
If you feel One World Trade Center's Footprint is too small in pictures, you may want to go down to the Tower itself and see just how massive the footprint really is. Not to bring up bad memories but when the South Tower collapsed on 9/11 and the North Tower was left standing it didn't look so massive anymore because it was just One Tower. What I'm trying to say is because there were Two Towers we got used to them and it gave off a massive effect. Freedom Tower is big enough. It looks much bigger in person trust me. This has got to be the greatest project currently going on in Manhattan right now not only because it will be the tallest, but it will change our skyline for the best.

Dac150
Feb 25, 2010, 2:04 AM
This is something you need to experience for yourself if you ever get the opportunity to do so. Judging by some of the pictures there are different perspectives that are given off which could in turn make the base seem on the smaller side in some cases. Inaccurate in reality, as the base is quite large and very much mirrors the base area of the former towers.

NYguy
Feb 25, 2010, 3:01 AM
Rise baby..

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4381337605_6a4788dc54_b.jpg

The Freedom Tower is smaller, relatively speaking, than a lot of New York office buildings because the floorplates are smaller (obviously). The floorspace is pushed "up" rather than "out" for obvious reasons. But it is more massive and higher than the base of a typical NY tower. Compare that photo to renderings, and you can see why it would appear "small".

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/104641641/large.jpg_http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/104519099/large.jpg

Originally, the PAC was planned as a part of Freedom Tower's base, which would have made it larger, but that later evolved into a separate entity.

Another, older aerial of the base...

Abrams Books (http://www.flickr.com/photos/abrams_books/4273594251/sizes/l/in/set-72157623084220285/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4273594251_c10318ac2f_b.jpg

Nowhereman1280
Feb 25, 2010, 4:16 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4381337605_6a4788dc54_b.jpg

Its amazing how fat the World Financial Center towers look in the photo compared to 7 WTC, 1 WTC and even the new Goldman Sachs tower. Interesting angle for sure!

NYguy
Feb 25, 2010, 4:21 AM
^ That also has a lot to do with the angle. Check the other aerial above.


Sit in on the Port Authority board meeting, interesting WTC updates...
http://www.panynj.gov/corporate-information/board-meeting-videos.html

CoolCzech
Feb 25, 2010, 9:10 PM
Even though I realize the base of the FT is every bit as huge as that of the old Twins, so far it just doesn't seem as massive. Maybe that will change once the whole tower is standing.

Dac150
Feb 25, 2010, 9:26 PM
Tall height = smaller floor plates. We’re not used to seeing that in this day of age (in the Western World), so naturally what we’re seeing can be deemed ‘out of the norm’. This one isn’t stopping at 700’. One can even say that this is the reason why office buildings aren’t regularly built to these heights anymore. This case is different, and perhaps the last opportunity to see this kind of construction in an American city.

steveve
Feb 25, 2010, 11:14 PM
Yeah! I noticed how skinny the tower is gonna be compared to rest of the skyscrapers surrounding it! Its base actually isn't very large! This tower is gonna looks freakin tall! :D

MadGnome
Feb 25, 2010, 11:22 PM
Lookin at the east side...Is Big Red gone?

uaarkson
Feb 26, 2010, 12:19 AM
Lookin at the east side...Is Big Red gone?

Lookin at the east side on what, exactly? Cause you can't see shit on either of the cams.

JSsocal
Feb 26, 2010, 12:25 AM
He's referring to the arial photo posted earlier, and no, it's still there, (just hard to see).

Bucktown718
Feb 26, 2010, 12:31 AM
Lookin at the east side on what, exactly? Cause you can't see shit on either of the cams.
Maybe because we're having an another snow storm for 2 days :/
So far February was the slowest month in construction of One World Trade Center due to weather.

Zensteeldude
Feb 26, 2010, 2:04 AM
Lookin at the east side...Is Big Red gone?

Big Red is still there, it's just hard to see in that pic. Big and Bigger Red should be there for at least another month. And don't forget, Bigger Red well be moved to the Transit Hall once it's finished at Tower One ( possibly with a MAX-ER kit added).

OneWorldTradeCenter
Feb 26, 2010, 3:45 PM
I hope it won´t snow anymore that they can continue with progress on the tower.:worship:

Domamania
Feb 26, 2010, 5:16 PM
wow i only live 50 miles from the freedom tower and in the area its allways snowing, i have a feeling this is going to push the project back a month or so.

Continental180
Feb 26, 2010, 5:48 PM
wow i only live 50 miles from the freedom tower and in the area its allways snowing, i have a feeling this is going to push the project back a month or so.

yeah im around the same. about 30 miles in nj from wtc, and its still snowing like crazy.

like you said, this could be pushed back because of this wintery month.

NYguy
Feb 26, 2010, 5:57 PM
^ It's snows every year. Relax people, the tower is still on schedule. If behind at all, what's a day or two?

Ghost
Feb 26, 2010, 6:54 PM
Rise baby..

feelsgoodlost (http://www.flickr.com/photos/feelsgoodlost/4381337605/sizes/l/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4381337605_6a4788dc54_b.jpg
Woah, have they finally got rid of the Fitterman Hall? :notacrook:

Great picture btw.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Feb 26, 2010, 8:42 PM
^ It's snows every year. Relax people, the tower is still on schedule. If behind at all, what's a day or two?

Yes, I agree. But I can´t wait until it is getting much taller. :)

M.K.
Feb 26, 2010, 10:45 PM
hey NewYorkers, curiosity, do much people still call 'ground zero'? seems totally out seeing those recent pics now.

canadate
Feb 27, 2010, 3:09 AM
hey NewYorkers, curiosity, do much people still call 'ground zero'? seems totally out seeing those recent pics now.

Yes, a lot of us (NOT including me) still do. I can't stand it..so many people are clueless about what's going on..it's pretty rediculous to me. I mean, it's in your on freakin city!! I blame it on the media. I just really wish that people would pay more attention to what's happening in the city as a whole and not just their neighborhoods. I could give you tons of examples of this ignorance, could you believe that they're are New Yorkers that haven't got a clue about the second avenue subway? :shrug:

Aleks
Feb 27, 2010, 3:35 AM
look how thin it looks! holy craps!

i just can't wait to see this in person!

M.K.
Feb 27, 2010, 3:55 AM
Yes, a lot of us (NOT including me) still do. I can't stand it..so many people are clueless about what's going on..it's pretty rediculous to me. I mean, it's in your on freakin city!! I blame it on the media. I just really wish that people would pay more attention to what's happening in the city as a whole and not just their neighborhoods. I could give you tons of examples of this ignorance*, could you believe that they're are New Yorkers that haven't got a clue about the second avenue subway? :shrug:

Thanks a lot for the answer. The still big deal problem in humans is this *

OneWorldTradeCenter
Feb 27, 2010, 9:37 AM
hey NewYorkers, curiosity, do much people still call 'ground zero'? seems totally out seeing those recent pics now.

I think WTC-Site is a much better name.... like 1 WTC is better than Freedom Tower....

Domamania
Feb 27, 2010, 12:34 PM
well to answer your question most people that i talk to still call the site ground zero. i cant say all of us new yorkeres call it but i definatly know a good portion of us still do.

NYguy
Feb 27, 2010, 2:10 PM
^ Most people still call it "ground zero", but that's because most people don't follow what's going on down there the way we do. People who haven't been Downtown are shocked to see actual buildings rising.

morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/4390781952/sizes/l/) (Feb 26)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4390781952_041ae3dcc1_b.jpg

canadate
Feb 27, 2010, 3:38 PM
No problem M.K. but NYguy; I definitely agree with your statement but I've even heard people at the site say rediculous things like that refer to there being nothing being done at the site. People are just so boxed in to there own little world..like I said before, it's not only the wtc site that people don't know about, there's many projects (like new stations monyihan & the fulton transit center, subway line extensions, parks, major buildings, road/street work, tunnels) just major things going on that people have no clue about. I bet half 40% of us can't even tell you who the governor is. I haven't even mentioned they're awareness to what's going on in the rest of the country and the world. Ugh...I'm done ranting. Sorry everyone. Getting back on topic.. Does anyone know how the snow removal is coming along? I haven't been down to the site since last tuesday. Hopefully we won't get another snow like this for the rest of the year; it's getting old.

Jonovision
Feb 27, 2010, 4:21 PM
What is the construction site for behind 7 wtc in the last full site shot?

Continental180
Feb 27, 2010, 4:29 PM
What is the construction site for behind 7 wtc in the last full site shot?
based off of renderings and model shots, it looks like they are gonna reconfigure the roads, and make a mini park in between.

NewYorker2009
Feb 27, 2010, 5:24 PM
Since 9/11, I have continued calling the site World Trade Center despite the horrible events that happened there. Ground Zero was the name given by the Media because the term Ground Zero means a point where an explosion occurs or the location of any disaster. What did people call the original World Trade Center when it was under construction. I doubt people still referred to it as Radio Row because it was demolished. People should just call it World Trade Center since it is under construction. Then again New Yorkers are forever reminded by 9/11 so much so that they aren't ready to move on until something is finished. Also, if New Yorkers don't follow the progress they think nothing is going on other than the disputes between Silverstein and the Port Authority so they continue to call it Ground Zero until something is finished there.

canadate
Feb 27, 2010, 6:02 PM
What is the construction site for behind 7 wtc in the last full site shot?

That's the site of BMCC's former Fitterman Hall. They're rebuilding it.

canadate
Feb 27, 2010, 6:05 PM
Since 9/11, I have continued calling the site World Trade Center despite the horrible events that happened there. Ground Zero was the name given by the Media because the term Ground Zero means a point where an explosion occurs or the location of any disaster. What did people call the original World Trade Center when it was under construction. I doubt people still referred to it as Radio Row because it was demolished. People should just call it World Trade Center since it is under construction. Then again New Yorkers are forever reminded by 9/11 so much so that they aren't ready to move on until something is finished. Also, if New Yorkers don't follow the progress they think nothing is going on other than the disputes between Silverstein and the Port Authority so they continue to call it Ground Zero until something is finished there.

Exactly, and since most people aren't going to care enough to find out for themselves it's up to the media to fix that problem. They need to stop focusing so much on the negative things and shed some light one what is being done...but that's for the news for ya right? Almost always being negative.

Zensteeldude
Feb 27, 2010, 6:11 PM
When I do an estimate for a project I always check weather history. For example, how many days, on average, does it rain in June, or how many days does it snow/rain in February. I simply add so many days to the schedule, and budget, to compensate for lost time due to weather.

The folks building Tower One did the same thing.

PS: Everyone in construction calls it the WTC site.

meh_cd
Feb 27, 2010, 6:12 PM
I've run into many New Yorkers who seem to be proud of the fact that they've never been to the top of the Empire State Building or visited the Statue of Liberty. These places are too "touristy" for them. I imagine that the WTC site is the same thing for them.

M.K.
Feb 27, 2010, 6:21 PM
the term Ground Zero means a point where an explosion occurs or the location of any disaster. .

I thought it was because all tall things remained at ground level zero, i mean street level. But this was everytime my personal interpretation, cause i never knew from where that term came, which, because this fact, i never repeated spread which meant to me nothing close to be so called so, but most people suddenly liked the term like using as same proportionality like for soft drinks: Please give me a Coke..

canadate
Feb 27, 2010, 11:26 PM
I've run into many New Yorkers who seem to be proud of the fact that they've never been to the top of the Empire State Building or visited the Statue of Liberty. These places are too "touristy" for them. I imagine that the WTC site is the same thing for them.

That's also true and very rediculous. If we're so proud to be New Yorkers we should embrace our landmarks and be proud of those also. A lot of places don't have the things that we (or at least most of us) take for granted. Not being cocky but a lot of people would love to be in our place..the New Yorkers that hate tourism and everything else about the city so much should move elsewhere.

Zen: Good point, I didn't think of that. Great, we'll be on time after all. :tup:

iamtal
Feb 28, 2010, 12:06 AM
Hi,

Pics taken by me.

http://sxktlw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pzdUeWp6T5N0ti98OOFbOjEQKk70KdH_vuixBGuj1Uv3gjephAeRLBRnFXwEcEzb4M5Q3URPtD3CqzaUpIR6-cQyEpRb3Jqmb/DSCN2469.JPG

Zoom on the second floor (above the lobby)

http://sxktlw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pVSjCCQXHElM6wqxtCs5kd8_4ZLUNCyKhSvYpBxoeV1m-5fhe7F7-Jbx26VboOvHwRUzd-k4sfvl1thHAxvw5QFTFi980kIb5/DSCN2485.JPG

And another one from the south-west side
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1psbAzHM8fbyz7fCZYO7zqQP6crbR1FWA7jfqAhc70tUKVE2Fd4YHKtY4i0izxFqQYYWhyzgFfmLa2W9JzBfzIIg/DSCN2518.JPG

And last picture shows the WTC with the rest of the site (notice the current height of the Deutsche Bank building)
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6X7wkbb5H5edwgXP2MRoCUHG55MSlTPmIJtQh5mxHyO9gA9frsUx7FS8eLOFhynDHCAw0L5JgMM38abNRjJKgg/DSCN2502.JPG

NYguy
Feb 28, 2010, 2:26 AM
^ Clearly you can see how massive the base is.

Everyone in construction calls it the WTC site.

So will everyone else, eventually. It's the World Trade Center, no question about it. But ats long as it's under construction, most people will still refer to it as ground zero, or what's under construction at ground zero.

Domamania
Feb 28, 2010, 3:05 AM
the base by it self can be considered a building, i cant wait in 2 years you can see the building from miles away.

I got one quuick question, How are they going to cover up the red color of the steel to make the building the same color as it is on the completed design pictures of it?

Bucktown718
Feb 28, 2010, 4:24 AM
the base by it self can be considered a building, i cant wait in 2 years you can see the building from miles away.

I got one quuick question, How are they going to cover up the red color of the steel to make the building the same color as it is on the completed design pictures of it?

I'm pretty sure that 1WTC will be visible from miles away in less than 2 years, but of course if everything will go by schedule with no big delays which i doubt will happen.

and yeah i was wondering too about the red steel, how are they going to cover that up :???:

eaalkaline
Feb 28, 2010, 10:37 AM
I still call it by both names (Ground Zero and WTC) depending what I'm talking about. I think the Ground Zero name will always have a place.

M.K.
Feb 28, 2010, 10:38 AM
^ probably silver paint. It has easy technics in this direction today after all already done, but needs impermeabilization first, cause this color is the weak but necessary layer of corrosion in the steel, which in same way protect it inside, i heard some time that.

What impress me most is not the building itself, but those huge cranes and quantity in site.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Feb 28, 2010, 11:09 AM
WOW, nice pictures!!:banana: :banana:

BStyles
Mar 1, 2010, 12:13 AM
That's also true and very rediculous. If we're so proud to be New Yorkers we should embrace our landmarks and be proud of those also. A lot of places don't have the things that we (or at least most of us) take for granted. Not being cocky but a lot of people would love to be in our place..the New Yorkers that hate tourism and everything else about the city so much should move elsewhere.

You know, as a kid, I never really paid much attention to the World Trade Center. They were just buildings that I knew should've been there. When they were gone and you look back through pictures at how majestic they were, such architecture and all the man hours it took to make it the way it was, you start to realize...damn....how could I let something like this slip past me?

I live in New Jersey now, and I suppose if the old WTC were still standing, I would've taken the easy way out and taken the PATH directly to the WTC, instead of Penn Station. By now I would have loved the complex. That's what some New Yorkers lack.

NYguy
Mar 1, 2010, 1:57 AM
Most New Yorkers did love the WTC, same as they do the Empire State. There are a lot of things in New York that are taken for granted, not just the iconic skyscrapers. Most New Yorkers see the city as the way things are supposed to be, rather than just a fact of where they are. It's only on moving to some other part of the country that realization sets in. That being said, a lot of New Yorkers do take in the "touristy" sites. For example, despite what many people say, 42nd Street is still a huge draw for New Yorkers, although obviously there are tourists there as well. But I was always aware of the Empire State and the World Trade Center. I remember early on when I realized that the Empire State wasn't as tall as the Twins, and feeling a little disappointed. But those skyscrapers have always been there.

For people born in the next few years, a New York topped by the Freedom Tower is the New York they will know.

Kevin Wardle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwardle/4395647497/sizes/l/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2691/4395647497_91543390a9_b.jpg

Dac150
Mar 1, 2010, 2:06 AM
When this is all said and done, having that gap in Lower Manhattan filled again is something no New Yorker will take for granted.

MadGnome
Mar 1, 2010, 12:18 PM
Makes me wish I was back on Governor's Island again. I got to watch the WFC going up back in those days.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Mar 1, 2010, 2:00 PM
GUYS, I have new information about 1 WTC. I asked the port about the floor count of the tower. It is 104 stories.

The PA wrote to me:

Dimi,

Thank you for your inquiry. 1 WTC will be 104 stories tall plus a 408 foot mast. The first office floor starts at floor 20 and there will be a total of 71 office floors.

Regards, Tom

Thomas P. Maher
Assistant Director
World Trade Center Redevelopment
Office: 212 435-6531
Cell: 917 656-3992
tmaher@panynj.gov


I send this to Marshall Gerometta, the CTBUH´s database coordinator as well.

NYguy
Mar 1, 2010, 3:16 PM
^ Sounds good, though truthfully the mast will be taller than 408 ft. I think the massiveness of it will catch some people off guard.

j katt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_katt/4396218949/sizes/l/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4396218949_e0706228dd_b.jpg

OneWorldTradeCenter
Mar 1, 2010, 3:35 PM
I think we should change the floorcount to 104.

Is there still so much snow in New York?

NYguy
Mar 1, 2010, 3:56 PM
^ Those last few floors are just the levels of the "ring", not actual office floors.

NYguy
Mar 1, 2010, 4:07 PM
Meanwhile, back to business at the site...(cam shot from today)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/122392963/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/122392963/original.jpg

OneWorldTradeCenter
Mar 1, 2010, 4:45 PM
Ok.

Progress seems to move slow due the weather.:rolleyes:

jackie60
Mar 1, 2010, 5:16 PM
http://curbed.com/archives/2009/12/23/a_field_trip_to_1_world_trade_center_hardhats_not_included.php
A nice photo update from Curbed this morning.

OneWorldTradeCenter
Mar 1, 2010, 5:35 PM
http://curbed.com/archives/2009/12/23/a_field_trip_to_1_world_trade_center_hardhats_not_included.php
A nice photo update from Curbed this morning.

Wow, nice shoots there. Thanks for the interesting link!

NewYorker2009
Mar 1, 2010, 6:10 PM
To me, a Supertall building like the Freedom Tower doesn't have to be about how many floors it has although it is nice for New York's Tallest Building to have 100+ Floors. Look at Taipei 101, 1,470 Feet (Rooftop) 1,671 (w/ Spire) and only 101 Floors, or the Shanghai World Financial Center, 1,614 Feet (Rooftop) and 101 Floors as well. If the building is tall that is enough to satisfy me. For example, take the CN Tower in Toronto or the Stratosphere Tower in Las Vegas, those may not be skyscrapers but they are pretty tall and that is what matters to me.

JZeig1
Mar 1, 2010, 7:56 PM
^ Sounds good, though truthfully the mast will be taller than 408 ft. I think the massiveness of it will catch some people off guard.

j katt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_katt/4396218949/sizes/l/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4396218949_e0706228dd_b.jpg

NYGuy... I just want to indicate that this is the first photo which actually gives me a good prespective on how "The NY Tower" will look in relationship to the other buildings.
Oh,,, I don't know if there is such a thing as "The NY Tower", but this is the one for me.:)

Zensteeldude
Mar 1, 2010, 9:06 PM
They have to call each floor something so they give it a number so the elevator guys can make the buttons.:)

So now they have 71 office floors, that means they are including the two broadcast floors as office floors.

Continental180
Mar 1, 2010, 9:41 PM
based off of cam, they finished all but one corner of the flooring for that top floor. Im thinking we could see the next level to rise maybe tomorrow?

1ajs
Mar 1, 2010, 10:37 PM
whys the office floors start 20 floors up?

Indescribable
Mar 1, 2010, 11:12 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4396218949_e0706228dd_b.jpg

That's a really neat angle you don't see too often.

Continental180
Mar 2, 2010, 12:26 AM
whys the office floors start 20 floors up?

lobby + mechanical floors.

2-TOWERS
Mar 2, 2010, 12:46 AM
That's a really neat angle you don't see too often.you dont realize how far out in the water they go...all the former WTC landfill...

BStyles
Mar 2, 2010, 1:09 AM
whys the office floors start 20 floors up?

The base is 20 floors high from ground level.

It's amazing that they took all the dirt out of the WTC site and made an entire community next to it, that's still building beautiful skyscrapers, even today. Now that's as green as you can get.

I'm really thinking that that inspired the Palm Islands' developers in Dubai.

Bucktown718
Mar 2, 2010, 1:55 AM
Hey guy's i know im off the topic im really sorry about that, but just using one of our wonderful senses called imagination can you imagine how could/would Manhattan look in perhaps 50-200 years?
Any chances of anything being build on the island taller than 1WTC?
and again i apologize to be off topic, since nothing much happened on the site in recent week and people weren't talking about nothing new i though it would be interesting to bring this question up. ;)
http://i48.tinypic.com/2r25405.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/jayxdi.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2ajuxhe.jpg

NYguy
Mar 2, 2010, 2:21 AM
Hey guy's i know im off the topic im really sorry about that, but just using one of our wonderful senses called imagination can you imagine how could/would Manhattan look in perhaps 50-200 years?
Any chances of anything being build on the island taller than 1WTC?


Yeah, that is off topic. But you can discuss it over in this thread. (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=177742)



http://curbed.com/archives/2009/12/23/a_field_trip_to_1_world_trade_center_hardhats_not_included.php
A nice photo update from Curbed this morning.

We posted those a while back, but still great views.

Vesey
Mar 2, 2010, 4:43 AM
PdwgxTCORRA

New construction video, complete with 80's montage music! Didn't see it posted here, I enjoyed.

NYC2ATX
Mar 2, 2010, 6:04 AM
Digging the '80s montage music. :haha:

metafizarc
Mar 2, 2010, 6:06 AM
...imagine how could/would Manhattan look in perhaps 50-200 years? ... ;)
http://i45.tinypic.com/jayxdi.jpg


-this is BRILLIANT :)

pattali
Mar 2, 2010, 6:18 AM
Double Freedom Tower, this picture is from "Click" the movie with A Sandler, K Beckinsale, C Walken, D Hasselhoff.

Enjoy it !

But stay on Topic now.