NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[manchester united]

jeez, what's with you people always complaining about the floor number? mechanical floors are taller than office floors, so you can count them twice actually. a regular office floor is 13'4'', and the tower is 1373' to roof. just do the math and you'll get your respective floor number: 103.

This explanation is ridicolous. Every floor must be a roof and it isn't important if the floor is high 3 m or 20 m !!!

[NYguy]

This explanation is ridicolous.

No explanation was needed to begin with.


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[steveve]

1787 PINNACLE??? i just noticed that right now? is this a joke????

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

1787 PINNACLE??? i just noticed that right now? is this a joke????

Ya there will be a lightning rod on the spire that will bring the final height to 1,787 ft.

[CarlosV]

Hazy afternoon....last day of summer :(

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[sw5710]

"Love that view Carlos" The flashing light is at 1,776' The top of the structure is at 1,787' Then there is a lightning rod that tops out at 1,792' The overall height is listed on aviation charts as 1,792' above ground. The Empire state building is 1,454' to the top of the lightning rod above ground.

[Otie]

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[Symz]

I like this tower, honestly it's a behemoth, but I don't really care for the top of it..

[eaguir3]

Im really interested in how the top and the base come out like. Sorry im not an architect so im pretty sure there are better terms for "top" and "base", but anyway this building is pretty sweet so far.

[steveve]

Ya there will be a lightning rod on the spire that will bring the final height to 1,787 ft.

wait wut? I thought that mention of 1787 came from a forum member here, and was mentioned as a possibility in a news article?... I never knew lighting rods counted for height.... 1776 is still the "main" height though right? it's been mentioned so many times to the public, that i don't think they'll go away from it.

[JACKinBeantown]

For what it's worth, 1787 is the year the US Constitution was adopted, so it's just as important a number as 1776. So for people who are into that sort of thing, it's less about freedom and more about a properly representative form of government. 1787 is the year the US really came to represent the people. I'm a proud, patriotic American and it works for me. :)

[texcolo]

Have they worked out what type of glass they're going to use on the base yet?

I recently saw a documentary on the Science Channel stating that they were unable to use the prism glass that Childs wanted to use because it was too likely to break into shards.

[marshall]

Could anyone post a good side-by-side diagram/picture of the old twin towers next to new 1 wtc? Would be cool to see them side by side and compare similarities/differences :cool:

[STR]

This explanation is ridicolous. Every floor must be a roof and it isn't important if the floor is high 3 m or 20 m !!!

Yeah, it's certainly a stretch. I don't see anything wrong with this being a 85 floor building. It's a good design. I don't see a problem with them calling the 85th floor the 104th either. It's an 85 story building with a 104th floor. That's delightfully absurd. Given all of the solemness and misguided patriotism shoved into this pile of concrete and glass, a little crazy fun is mandatory. :tup:

Could anyone post a good side-by-side diagram/picture of the old twin towers next to new 1 wtc? Would be cool to see them side by side and compare similarities/differences :cool:

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STR, I have a question for you. I'm working on my own diagram, what are the elevations in feet and inches for the base of Tower 1 from the lobby all the way up to elevation 186' 8", always wondered about that. Also, on floor 102, is there another floor that goes up higher to elevation 1,278 or something like that? I also need the heights from the parapet all the way to the communication ring. I have all the other elevations but those I don't know for sure, could really use your expertise. Thanks.

You, and anyone else for that matter, should PM when they have questions like this. It's easy to loose track of posts like this. PM's will almost always get a response...eventually.

"Love that view Carlos" The flashing light is at 1,776' The top of the structure is at 1,787' Then there is a lightning rod that tops out at 1,792' The overall height is listed on aviation charts as 1,792' above ground. The Empire state building is 1,454' to the top of the lightning rod above ground.

Yep, for future reference, here's this:
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I was going to write in the antenna ring height as well, but since I lost the PM Zen sent me on that topic, and I didn't feel like opening 3DSM...meh.

Say STR,

are you contemplating putting the third row of radomes and vertical antennas on your renders? That would be sweet. :yes:

I personally like the "tiara" effect that the third level of the communications ring creates.

Sure. Maybe this weekend. Been busy lately.

[sw5710]

I think that the top ring is at 1,401'

[JoePDX]

For what it's worth, 1787 is the year the US Constitution was adopted, so it's just as important a number as 1776. So for people who are into that sort of thing, it's less about freedom and more about a properly representative form of government. 1787 is the year the US really came to represent the people. I'm a proud, patriotic American and it works for me. :)

OH BROTHER...this equating the height of this building with any historical events is so inane. Someone? WTF cares...lol. Im sure in the future in the year 2067 some proud grandparent will pat his grandchild on the back and say.."You know Poindexter that there FREEDOM TOWER is the same height as the year our beloved Constitution was adopted..so every time you see that there proud spire spiked up to 1787 resplendid feet you that your lucky stars you are an American born and bred in freedoms light" LOL

[N830MH]

Hey Guys!

You might want to see more pictures of WTC tower 1 on website. Here it is:

http://www.wtc.com/media/images/s/non-gallery-set?sid=1

Enjoyed the pics.

[m0by]

Hi at all!

I am new here and came over from SCC. Carlos could remember me...

I love the design of 1WTC and can't wait to see it in person next year! :notacrook:

greetz from Germany
m0by

[NewYorkSkyline117]

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I'm pretty sure the WTC is supposed to be in front of the Sears Tower

[Brian Dino Vabec]

I'm pretty sure the WTC is supposed to be in front of the Sears Tower

That's because this diagram is wrong..1WTC supposed to be in front of Sears..:yes:

[STR]

OH BROTHER...this equating the height of this building with any historical events is so inane. Someone? WTF cares...lol. Im sure in the future in the year 2067 some proud grandparent will pat his grandchild on the back and say.."You know Poindexter that there FREEDOM TOWER is the same height as the year our beloved Constitution was adopted..so every time you see that there proud spire spiked up to 1787 resplendid feet you that your lucky stars you are an American born and bred in freedoms light" LOL

But...in 1792 George Washington took the largest dump in American history, a record that stands to this day.

[Independence]

That's because this diagram is wrong..1WTC supposed to be in front of Sears..:yes:
It's just sorted by roof height...;)

[jsr]

That's because this diagram is wrong..1WTC supposed to be in front of Sears..:yes:

But it never will be, when sorted by roof height....:runaway:

[Brian Dino Vabec]

Well yeah, but that's not an official height..(Let's not start roof/spire debate please)

[NYguy]

^ Yes, and please stay on topic folks.


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[Yankee fan for life]

Is it true that the pinnacle height of 1 wtc is going to be 1792 with its lighting rod included?

[NewYorkSkyline117]

I have seen the skyline from Kingda Ka at Six Flags Great Adventure. One World Trade Center is also visible from the lift hill on Nitro.

[Alliance]

Ya there will be a lightning rod on the spire that will bring the final height to 1,787 ft.

Except that doesn't seem to meet CTBUH's definition of "functional equipment" at all. Then again, its not clearly defined and I cant remember any building fighting to add the height of a lightning rod to its Pinnacle height. Seems absurd to me.

Anyway the only important height is 1314', highest occupied floor. IE: How far does this get me off the ground.

[sw5710]

The overall height is 1,792' AGL to the highest steel foot. The Original 1 WTC was 1,727' to the top of the lightning rod assembly. The same with the ESB 1,454' Remember this is overall height to the last steel foot. I think it is for aircraft obstruction reasons on charts. The CTBHU has another definition is sounds like.

[Chicago103]

Anyway the only important height is 1314', highest occupied floor. IE: How far does this get me off the ground.

Yes, I like the new World Trade Center and in official height because of the spire it will technically be the tallest in the US but the reality also is that standing in the new WTC observation deck I will still be lower than the Sears Tower Skydeck. The old WTC2's rooftop deck was slightly higher than the Sears Tower Skydeck so until 9/11 it was the highest outdoor and overall highest observation deck in the US and the Sears Tower always had the highest indoor observation deck in the US being about 40 feet higher than old WTC2's indoor deck and old WTC1's Windows on the World and about the same difference with the new WTC1 deck. So on one hand WTC1 will have a higher spire than the old WTC but the highest observatory will be lower, I guess in the end it doesn't matter since we are only arguing about a few dozen feet here or there. The old twins, the new WTC1 and the Sears Tower are all in the same exclusive category in US skyscraper history.

[uaarkson]

It really baffles me that you people care so much about this.

[whiteford]

^^^ it baffles me as to why someone would be baffled that people would be so interested in a big New York skyscraper while cruising the threads of a website called Skyscraperpage. I ask you, what don't you understand here? this place it dedicated to people that are skyscraper enthusiast. these people, me included, have a real life interest in skyscrapers in general. the more they/we know about the subject of skyscrapers, Well then? Its the more we know i guess? the subject itself reveals a inseparable, highly connected planetary, operations system. construction, architecture, engineering, City development, transportation devices and their types, including, trains and their tracks, cars and their roads, planes and their airports. furthermore let include industries that have mega facilities and their mega smoke stacks, ships and their sometimes, "über"-modern ports. Parks, cities, bridges, canals. all of these subjects can be highly interesting to people who are artistic in there nature. again lets not forget that these things are all highly connected and are in many ways co dependent. all this engineering combines to create the very system we use to survive as a civilization. some here are into taking pictures, yet another reason for such vested interest in these subjects. all types of photography can be had; moreover, these types of subjects^^^ explode with visual expressions sometimes as breathtaking as nature itself.
i suppose i can understand why you are baffled about our seemingly endless and highly detailed interest in the new world trade center, hell we are selves cant truly put a scientific finger as to why we care, but what baffles me is why it would baffle you that we are interested in such things considering the website you are visiting here. SKYSCRAPERPAGE.COM
PS: skyscraperpage.com is a place where skyscraper enthusiasts frequent for reasons such as finding out the true height of the new World Trade Center. oh ya! i apologize for my really awful grammar i am about as educated at the Jethro Bodine. i got half my grade 12. grade 6. hahaha

[CarlosV]

* for the first time the entire side crane has surpassed 7 WTC :)

and more importantly 4 WTC is near the top of the Jacob K. Javits Federal Office Building roof!!

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[JACKinBeantown]

Nice pics, Carlos.

I'm guessing it will top out (roof) somewhere close to where the tops of the cranes are now. Anyone have any idea?

[Otie]

This may help :P

Pic by Carlos today..Current situation..Floor 82nd..

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[sterlippo1]

^^^ imagine we still have all that height on the way to look forward to? the thing is a monster!:worship::worship: oh, and the other two in the pic are pretty impressive as well

[Jaystang5]

Very interesting to finally see how the floors and core are at the different level of the building.

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Also, the stairwells configuration.

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[NewYorkSkyline117]

Does anyone know when the steel for the roof will be topped out??

[Roadcruiser1]

Early 2012

[Sid Vicious]

the view from New Jersey is the best imho :cheers:

[JACKinBeantown]

This may help :P

A picture is worth a thousand words. Thanks.

[chris123678]

When will Tower 4 begin to setback, i thought it started at floor 50? And whats up with towers 2 and 3?

[STR]

^Check the respective threads on each building.

Decided to finish the revamp of the top of my model. It's much more accurate now.
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[Yankee fan for life]

Right now the way things are looking 1 wtc will be topping out some time in march of 2012 if weather permitting .

[jd3189]

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I'm pretty sure the WTC is supposed to be in front of the Sears Tower

Okay,I don't like this. Why does it say on the first picture that 1 WTC is only 85 floors and then the second picture replies that it will be 105 stories into the air. I was never happy that this building would only be increased by the spire in height and that it had less floors than the towers that stood before it. I know I may be whining but is there any particular reason the floors in the top are extremely large? Sorry,but this doesn't make sense to me.This should be as close to 110 floors as possible. Not a stupid "85-story building with a 104 floor". Hope they can change the plans and maybe add a pod on the spire since it's huge enough. I just want this to be a true successor to the ESB like the Twins were. I'm done with the rant.

[STR]

^Buildings usually have futzed up numbers. As I've said elsewhere, the ESB only really has 98 stories, and that includes floors that are really glorified stair landings. It's a 98 story building with a 103rd floor. This is an 85 story building with a 104th. Trump Tower Chicago doesn't really have 98 floors either. How many western buildings are missing their 13th floor? How many chinese floors lack a 4th,14th, 24th, etc.? The Sears Tower and Yamasaki WTC are/were the exception in that they don't/didn't skip any floors. Even then, Sears counted the roofs in its marketing material to match the 110 floors of the NY buildings.

[CoolCzech]

I'm pretty sure the WTC is supposed to be in front of the Sears Tower

Stick around; it'll probably change. Consistency has never really been a strong suit at SSP.

[jd3189]

^Buildings usually have futzed up numbers. As I've said elsewhere, the ESB only really has 98 stories, and that includes floors that are really glorified stair landings. It's a 98 story building with a 103rd floor. This is an 85 story building with a 104th. Trump Tower Chicago doesn't really have 98 floors either. How many western buildings are missing their 13th floor? How many chinese floors lack a 4th,14th, 24th, etc.? The Sears Tower and Yamasaki WTC are/were the exception in that they don't/didn't skip any floors. Even then, Sears counted the roofs in its marketing material to match the 110 floors of the NY buildings.

So The Twin Towers were basically the only tall buildings that didn't skip floors? We have truly lost a lot on 9/11. Oh well,I still like the new WTC. I will wait until another supertall is planned.

[Phil McAvity]

So The Twin Towers were basically the only tall buildings that didn't skip floors? We have truly lost a lot on 9/11.

Not from an architectural standpoint we didn't. In fact, getting rid of those two huge, featureless behemoths is the one thing the terrorists did that I like. I can't imagine why it took so long to come up with replacements for the twin towers. Anything would have been an improvement.

[Ehrgeiz91]

Not from an architectural standpoint we didn't. In fact, getting rid of those two huge, featureless behemoths is the one thing the terrorists did that I like. I can't imagine why it took so long to come up with replacements for the twin towers. Anything would have been an improvement.

To each his own, I suppose, but I'm disappointed that anyone would think that. The twin towers were 2 mighty, iconic structures, and as cliche as it is, they were symbols of New York. Nothing said power like those 2 identical monoliths. Just because a building has all-glass cladding and an odd geometric gimmick or 2 doesn't make it better than the simple, would-be-everlasting design that was the twin towers. IMO, that design would still hold up better than many recent towers/proposals.

[STR]

^Don't feed the trolls.

Phil: Yeah, thanking mass murderers is trolling. I don't care if it was hyperbole. You should know better.

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[NYCLuver]

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[whiteford]

To each his own, I suppose, but I'm disappointed that anyone would think that. The twin towers were 2 mighty, iconic structures, and as cliche as it is, they were symbols of New York. Nothing said power like those 2 identical monoliths. Just because a building has all-glass cladding and an odd geometric gimmick or 2 doesn't make it better than the simple, would-be-everlasting design that was the twin towers. IMO, that design would still hold up better than many recent towers/proposals.

indeed.:yes:

[Roadcruiser1]

The Twin Towers were iconic structures. Symbols of New York they were, but to the rest of the world they were a symbol of globalization. People that hated our way of life wanted to destroy them, and they did, but we will rebuild better then ever with the new One World Trade Center, and the other buildings surrounding the site, and even though they might again symbolize globalization we shall defend those buildings from future Terrorist attacks.

[Don098]

So The Twin Towers were basically the only tall buildings that didn't skip floors? We have truly lost a lot on 9/11. Oh well,I still like the new WTC. I will wait until another supertall is planned.

:previous:In this economy? Don't hold your breath, whiner. You should be thankful for what's being built, sheesh!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

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[Zapatan]

Those renderings are awesome STR. I'm not sure though if they are going to be using that communications ring though because in the latest WTC video that was posted, and on the website, it shows the old one. Maybe they're just wrong though, like always. :haha:

[CarlosV]

Last Sunday of September...

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[Davidsam52]

Thanks, STR for those super renders and also those photos that show the extreme closeup detail of the cladding. Very Cool!!:tup::tup::tup:

[manchester united]

^Buildings usually have futzed up numbers. As I've said elsewhere, the ESB only really has 98 stories, and that includes floors that are really glorified stair landings. It's a 98 story building with a 103rd floor. This is an 85 story building with a 104th. Trump Tower Chicago doesn't really have 98 floors either. How many western buildings are missing their 13th floor? How many chinese floors lack a 4th,14th, 24th, etc.? The Sears Tower and Yamasaki WTC are/were the exception in that they don't/didn't skip any floors. Even then, Sears counted the roofs in its marketing material to match the 110 floors of the NY buildings.

OK, STR. But what is the reason why this great and about all serious site hasn't the REAL NUMBER OF FLOORS for every skyscraper ? If the ESB has 98 floors and the 1 WTC will have 85 floors I don't realize why we must to say 102 and 105 floors ( and therefore why not 130 or 200 floors ????? ). I think that even the real number of floors is VERY IMPORTANT in a skyscraper !!!

[Jeff900]

^Don't feed the trolls.

Phil: Yeah, thanking mass murderers is trolling. I don't care if it was hyperbole. You should know better.

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Hey guy,is this first rendering in Google Earth?OMG how could I get it,could u please give me the link to download this 3D building?
Is it the whole complex or only One World Trade Center...
Or give me the link to download the whole complex,the best to download,okay?
Thanks a lot!

[CarlosV]

floor count and height for me!!!!

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[NewYorkSkyline117]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6133665498_eda4956e04_b.jpg

One World Trade Center with suburban New Jersey- 31 miles away, Morristown, NJ

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Lower Manhattan 31 Miles Away-Morristown, NJ

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One WTC with the Empire State Building 31 Miles Away-Morristown, NJ

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9/11 Memorial with Empire State Building, & the Freedom Tower on the horizon 31 miles away-Morristown, NJ

[NewYorkSkyline117]

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6133665498_eda4956e04_b.jpg

One World Trade Center with suburban New Jersey, 31 miles away-Morristown, NJ

[CarlosV]

^^^
31 miles? wow!!!! I am only 3 miles away...

[NewYorkSkyline117]

^^^
31 miles? wow!!!! I am only 3 miles away...

Yupp it's pretty insane. And the craziest I've seen it from is from Kingda Ka at Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson, NJ which is 45 miles away

[RockMont]

Not from an architectural standpoint we didn't. In fact, getting rid of those two huge, featureless behemoths is the one thing the terrorists did that I like. I can't imagine why it took so long to come up with replacements for the twin towers. Anything would have been an improvement.



I know that they weren't the most outstanding works of architecture, as far as character and distinctiveness were concerned, but nether were they ugly or necessarily unspectacular. To say you actually 'liked' something the terrorists did. I think that is pretty sick!

[Yankee fan for life]

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One World Trade Center with suburban New Jersey, 31 miles away-Morristown, NJ i only live 12 miles away but somehow i find this more impressive.

[STR]

OK, STR. But what is the reason why this great and about all serious site hasn't the REAL NUMBER OF FLOORS for every skyscraper ? If the ESB has 98 floors and the 1 WTC will have 85 floors I don't realize why we must to say 102 and 105 floors ( and therefore why not 130 or 200 floors ????? ). I think that even the real number of floors is VERY IMPORTANT in a skyscraper !!!

So message one of the SSP editors and ask them to correct the diagrams. If they need blueprints, elevation plans, or whatever, have them contact me.

As for the forum threads, that's NYGuy's call.

As for the buildings themselves...meh. Good luck getting them to change their numbering. ESB has been using its current scheme for 80 years.

Hey guy,is this first rendering in Google Earth?OMG how could I get it,could u please give me the link to download this 3D building?

It's my model. It is not available for download. It will not be made available for download in the future. Many renders of this building, as well as many others can be found here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5069151

[Charlie Potts]

This is an interesting building, borne from tragedy. I don't care if it is 1776 feet, or 1492 feet, or 1666 feet, or if it has 103 floors or 87. It is great fun to watch it rise and godspeed to all the iron workers and others performing this dangerous work. Please be safe and take your time.

Also, thanks to everybody who posts pics. I wish I could, but I'm about 2800 miles away.

[jd3189]

:previous:In this economy? Don't hold your breath, whiner. You should be thankful for what's being built, sheesh!

I was thankful.Until I fully discovered. that lie about skyscrapers many have tried to feed down our throats. But I like what's being built and even in this economy,New York is getting new supertalls,by whatever means.

[NewYorkSkyline117]

i only live 12 miles away but somehow i find this more impressive.

Thanks, what town would 12 miles away be?

[Yankee fan for life]

Thanks, what town would 12 miles away be?
coney island brooklyn.

[Don098]

I was thankful.Until I fully discovered. that lie about skyscrapers many have tried to feed down our throats. But I like what's being built and even in this economy,New York is getting new supertalls,by whatever means.

What lie is that? I would think that in Florida with Miami you'd have a VERY good understanding of building economics...

[marshall]

After reading some of the recent comments, I had to add my own two-cents. The Twin Towers were amazing buildings, plain and simple. While they may not have been the most ornate, of fancy-shmancy, they embodied the simplicity and optimism of their time (1960s). They were unique in their immense size and scale. They grew to symbolize New York. Also, there were two of them, twins..This has not been duplicated anywhere else to my knowledge, except for Petronas Towers, which lets face it, are no Twin Towers. They had the highest occupied floors in the world along with Sears Tower. I miss them. Having said that, I like the new 1WTC quite alot and I think we are lucky it is being built in this lousy economy! It is a good mix of modern, and also has visual elements of the Twin Towers (the rough shape, antenna). I do wish they had built twins of it, as a kind of tribute to the old towers, but oh well. I think when it is topped out soon, more people will grow to like it. When people see the completed tower in the flesh, instead of visual graphics, they will admire it, Im sure.

[marshall]

Another point, someone earlier in this thread mentioned the sheer size of the new antenna/spire..They mentioned perhaps a pod of some kind could be added to it, perhaps for visitors craving an outdoor experience...Any chance of this happening, or maybe more floors being added at the last minute? :cool:

[sw5710]

OK, STR. But what is the reason why this great and about all serious site hasn't the REAL NUMBER OF FLOORS for every skyscraper ? If the ESB has 98 floors and the 1 WTC will have 85 floors I don't realize why we must to say 102 and 105 floors ( and therefore why not 130 or 200 floors ????? ). I think that even the real number of floors is VERY IMPORTANT in a skyscraper !!!

When you are at 1,300'+ you are usually from 105 to 108 floors in most buildings but how tall is a floor and what is counted.

[steveve]

Okay,I don't like this. Why does it say on the first picture that 1 WTC is only 85 floors and then the second picture replies that it will be 105 stories into the air. I was never happy that this building would only be increased by the spire in height and that it had less floors than the towers that stood before it. I know I may be whining but is there any particular reason the floors in the top are extremely large? Sorry,but this doesn't make sense to me.This should be as close to 110 floors as possible. Not a stupid "85-story building with a 104 floor". Hope they can change the plans and maybe add a pod on the spire since it's huge enough. I just want this to be a true successor to the ESB like the Twins were. I'm done with the rant.

the diagram comparison was probably drawn a few years ago, which is why it's so out of date ( i think the Burj Khalifa is actually 828m)

[Phil McAvity]

After reading some of the recent comments, I had to add my own two-cents. The Twin Towers were amazing buildings, plain and simple. While they may not have been the most ornate, of fancy-shmancy, they embodied the simplicity and optimism of their time (1960s). They were unique in their immense size and scale. They grew to symbolize New York. Also, there were two of them, twins..This has not been duplicated anywhere else to my knowledge, except for Petronas Towers, which lets face it, are no Twin Towers. They had the highest occupied floors in the world along with Sears Tower. I miss them. Having said that, I like the new 1WTC quite alot and I think we are lucky it is being built in this lousy economy! It is a good mix of modern, and also has visual elements of the Twin Towers (the rough shape, antenna). I do wish they had built twins of it, as a kind of tribute to the old towers, but oh well. I think when it is topped out soon, more people will grow to like it. When people see the completed tower in the flesh, instead of visual graphics, they will admire it, Im sure.

MikeinToronto? It MUST be you!

[jd3189]

What lie is that? I would think that in Florida with Miami you'd have a VERY good understanding of building economics...

I just have an interest with skyscrapers. If you hear a building is 100+ floors,you get excited. When you finally hear some of those floors don't even exist,you can possibly get angry and feel that you've been duped. This was a new thing I had to take seriously yesterday.

[STR]

View from the top antenna ring, a little over 1,400' up.
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/351/wtc1a016.jpg

[Private Dick]

^ Very cool. Thanks.

[CarlosV]

This is an interesting building...

Also, thanks to everybody who posts pics. I wish I could, but I'm about 2800 miles away.

2,800 miles away? where are you??

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[Kevin Scott Koepke]

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Please do not repost, copy, or otherwise reproduce this image. Thank you. :banana:

[Roadcruiser1]

Wow STR. You can compare it to the old observation deck pictures from the South Tower of the original WTC and really see the difference on our skyline in your (STR) renderings by 2020. In just 30 years our city will look good once again.

http://gb.fotolibra.com/images/previews/4614-view-over-manhattan-observation-deck-world-trade-center-1999.jpeg

[uaarkson]

Wow STR. You can compare it to the old observation deck pictures from the South Tower of the original WTC and really see the difference on our skyline in your (STR) renderings by 2020. In just 30 years our city will look good once again.

What? Right now the city is its best looking since the pre-war era. If you're talking strictly skyline, then I think the completion of the new WTC will bring the city right back to where it was before 9/11.

But really, never in history has there been a time when NYC didn't look beautiful.

[Guiltyspark]

Another point, someone earlier in this thread mentioned the sheer size of the new antenna/spire..They mentioned perhaps a pod of some kind could be added to it, perhaps for visitors craving an outdoor experience...Any chance of this happening, or maybe more floors being added at the last minute? :cool:

No, if you look at the shape of the building the final height is predetermined by where the angles meet at the top in the corners. There would be no graceful way to add height at this point.

[Otie]

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7 WTC 10 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joevare/6183377737/) by joevare (http://www.flickr.com/people/joevare/), on Flickr

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[justmehere]

floor count and height for me!!!!

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hi Carlos,
they are erecting 81st & 82nd floors. height 1017'-8":banana:

[Zapatan]

This building is going to dwarf everything, it's so great :D

Even ESB won't look that big by it's side.

so next floors are 81 and 82?

[NewYorker2009]

This building is going to dwarf everything, it's so great :D

Even ESB won't look that big by it's side.

so next floors are 81 and 82?

Floors 83 and 84 are next, 81 and 82 are being constructed as we speak. New steel should happen sometime later this week if the weather holds up.

[CarlosV]

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[Guiltyspark]

View from the top antenna ring, a little over 1,400' up.
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/351/wtc1a016.jpg

I still think Tower Verre looks like it is giving downtown the finger from this angle.. Also, lets hope some of those supertalls get release more design elements soon, because the big giant boxes are ruining the skyline in your model. :cheers:

[Zapatan]

I just have an interest with skyscrapers. If you hear a building is 100+ floors,you get excited. When you finally hear some of those floors don't even exist,you can possibly get angry and feel that you've been duped. This was a new thing I had to take seriously yesterday.

Yea but, it's the exact same height of a building that did have 110 floors, it's just about how big the floors are... as long as it's skyline impact is the same, I don't think it's a big deal.

[sterlippo1]

This is an interesting building, borne from tragedy. I don't care if it is 1776 feet, or 1492 feet, or 1666 feet, or if it has 103 floors or 87. It is great fun to watch it rise and godspeed to all the iron workers and others performing this dangerous work. Please be safe and take your time.

Also, thanks to everybody who posts pics. I wish I could, but I'm about 2800 miles away.

you truly "get it" great post:tup:

[uaarkson]

What I don't understand is why people are taking floor count so seriously. There are 40 floor buildings in the 700+ ft. range. There are 70 floor buildings as short as 600 ft. The final height is what you should be focusing on because that number is real. Floor count has never been consistent or reliable, as demonstrated by the ESB.

[hunser]

What I don't understand is why people are taking floor count so seriously. There are 40 floor buildings in the 700+ ft. range. There are 70 floor buildings as short as 600 ft. The final height is what you should be focusing on because that number is real. Floor count has never been consistent or reliable, as demonstrated by the ESB.

exactly. there are even supertall buildings (roof height) as the Kingdom Centre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Centre) with only 42 stories, and in Atlanta f.e. the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westin_Peachtree_Plaza_Hotel) with 73(!) floors and a height of 723ft.

nowadays , you just can't judge a building on how many floors it has anymore...

[manchester united]

What I don't understand is why people are taking floor count so seriously. There are 40 floor buildings in the 700+ ft. range. There are 70 floor buildings as short as 600 ft. The final height is what you should be focusing on because that number is real. Floor count has never been consistent or reliable, as demonstrated by the ESB.

Excuse me, but if the number of the floores isn't so important, what is the reason why the owners of the 1 WTC say that there are 108 floores, when in reality these are only 82 ? And why in 2001, when was built the Trump World Tower and Trump said that that tower had 90 floores, everybody ( RIGHTLY ) said that it wasn't true and that the real floores were only 72 ? What is the difference between these 2 buildings ? I think that it is simply necessary to respect the reality !!!

[Roadcruiser1]

Well some floors are mechanical so some people won't count them, and others are occupied by structural elements of the building but they aren't counted either by some people, but they are still floors so they are worthy of being deemed counted.

[Jeff900]

Wow this rendering is breathtaking!!!:D
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9770/wt1205.jpg