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[hunser]

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[SylNYC]

Video by PANYNJ --- Flipped, saturated, sped up (7.5x) - with music by Havana - Feel My Love.

http://youtu.be/pXSadqEYxTU

[NYguy]

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[PZelda]

Base cladding has begun on the west side of the building! :) I walked by there yesterday and saw it when I was crossing West St near 1 WTC.

[NYguy]

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[xnyr]

I don't post here very often but I follow the forum every day and want to post this video I put together. It is a mashup of the Today show broadcast (which I learned of here) and the PANYNJ video originally posted by NYC4Life.

Although, I am non-plussed about this building's design, putting this together truly had my heart racing because it was such an exciting moment. I'm also thrilled that the tech exists to be be able to observe this event in such detail. Be sure to watch in 1080p. Enjoy! :tup:

Part 1 here:

8VCHvWkln7s

and to cut to the chase:

iJHSEcMUHUg

[Biff]

I thought originally it was supposed to be a guyed mast. It sure is tall for not having any supports.

[MadGnome]

I thought originally it was supposed to be a guyed mast. It sure is tall for not having any supports.

They'll have em up for hurricane season. I think the temporary crane platform is in the way.

[antinimby]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/8737794388_892c3901d3_h.jpgLower Manhattan skyline restored!

[PMadFlyer]

Could that even be physically possible?:rolleyes:

perhaps. It would require new materials like graphene and carbon nano tubes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Graphen.jpg/750px-Graphen.jpg
Wikipedia:
"Graphene is a material composed of pure carbon, with atoms arranged in a regular hexagonal pattern. Graphene can be described as a one-atom thick layer of the mineral graphite, (many layers of graphene stacked together effectively form crystalline flake graphite). Amongst its other well-publicised superlative properties, it is very light, with a 1-square-meter sheet weighing only 0.77 milligrams."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene


Carbon Nano Tubes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Carbon_nanotube_zigzag_povray.PNG
Unfortunately carbon nano tubes have been shown in early studies to cause effects in the lungs identical to asbestos, so graphene might be the more likely contender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MWNT#Multi-walled

[Thaniel]

Could that even be physically possible?:rolleyes:

Yeah, but with modern technology it'd look like this. lol

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/13042056/img/Anonymous/heights3.jpg

With carbon nanotubes as mentioned above it would be possible though.

[PZelda]

Yeah, but with modern technology it'd look like this. lol

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/13042056/img/Anonymous/heights3.jpg

With carbon nanotubes as mentioned above it would be possible though.
Bestest. Thing. Ever. :D

[net222]

Oh god, look at this thread, look at this! :haha::lmao::banana:

[rocketman_95046]

perhaps. It would require new materials like graphene and carbon nano tubes:

Wikipedia:
"Graphene is a material composed of pure carbon, with atoms arranged in a regular hexagonal pattern. Graphene can be described as a one-atom thick layer of the mineral graphite, (many layers of graphene stacked together effectively form crystalline flake graphite). Amongst its other well-publicised superlative properties, it is very light, with a 1-square-meter sheet weighing only 0.77 milligrams."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene


Carbon Nano Tubes:

Unfortunately carbon nano tubes have been shown in early studies to cause effects in the lungs identical to asbestos, so graphene might be the more likely contender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MWNT#Multi-walled

Better not eat hot dogs or hamburgers then, because pretty much any time you burn something organic you create nanotubes. Are "individual" nanotubes potentially dangerous, yes. Fortunately, they don't exist like that outside of extremely controlled environments. Due to extreme Van der Waals forces they bundle together as soon as they escape into the environment. A rope of nanotubes would be harmless.

the fear comes from companies thinking of using "individual" nanotubes for things like drug delivery.

[1wtcspiresavor]

Not true...

According to the CTBUH, in order to be eligible for the Tallest Building List, more than 50 percent of the building's height must contain usable floor space:

http://i.imgur.com/Hyttiu4.jpg
(From CTBUH website found HERE (http://www.ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/HeightStatistics/Criteria/tabid/446/language/en-US/Default.aspx) )

However, that rule would then allow 1WTC to possibly beat Burj Khalifa for world's tallest, if the spire had been 49% of its height: :D

http://i.imgur.com/1pDIE.jpg
Thanks for the correction, my mistake.

[Totojuice]

Yeah, but with modern technology it'd look like this. lol

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/13042056/img/Anonymous/heights3.jpg

With carbon nanotubes as mentioned above it would be possible though.

ok. Come on. Second best post of the year :)

[Totojuice]

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OK. If you hold the photos about 3 feet away and squint your eyes really tight, the antenna doesn't look thaaat bad.

[Fishman92]

this antenna needs to be covered, preferably with LEDs. it should be a beacon

Can't tell if serious or not. It is having LEDs put on it, and it is going to have a beacon on top?

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Are they going to keep those platforms on the spire?

[Hudson11]

Can't tell if serious or not. It is having LEDs put on it, and it is going to have a beacon on top?

the LEDs will project light onto the mast, they aren't installed directly onto it. It will look like the mast of the North Tower on the old WTC but with a bright, rotating beacon at the top.

[Fishman92]

the LEDs will project light onto the mast, they aren't installed directly onto it. It will look like the mast of the North Tower on the old WTC but with a bright, rotating beacon at the top.

No- all antennae legally have to have LEDs installed to notify aircraft. I'm sure there are some actually on it.

[Hudson11]

No- all antennae legally have to have LEDs installed to notify aircraft. I'm sure there are some actually on it.

yes, at the very top there are FAA mandated warning lights.

[Traynor]

Because I am tired of seeing this question on every page and the very bad answers that follow.

http://i.imgur.com/99ung3K.jpg

[MadGnome]

No- all antennae legally have to have LEDs installed to notify aircraft. I'm sure there are some actually on it.

They don't have to be LEDs. Regular incandescents or strobes are used.

[NYguy]

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[hunser]

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[sw5710]

Because I am tired of seeing this question on every page and the very bad answers that follow.

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Thank you Tranor! I was thinking the same thing the other day but forgot to post.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

Yes thank you Tranor for clarifying.

[mheadroom]

From the top floor of the Standard

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[Yankee fan for life]

The top platform underneath the beacon is not staying, there are going to be 5 rings on the mast including,the guyed wires attachments .

[jsr]

http://www.zeit.de/reisen/2013-05/fs-world-trade-center/seite-20

http://images.zeit.de/reisen/2013-05/fs-world-trade-center-bilder/20-Reuters-%28mecom%29-00016016444158-HighRes.jpg

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We've come a long way...

[TouchTheSky13]

The top platform underneath the beacon is not staying, there are going to be 5 rings on the mast including,the guyed wires attachments .

Yes it is. According to this rendering by Otie (all credit goes to him), it will be staying. I trust Otie's judgement because he's rarely ever wrong about this sort of thing. Don't trust the Miller Hare renderings - they are misleading

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[Blaze23]

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We've come a long way...

The real thing actually looks better than the render. Glad we got our skyline back! Looking better than ever and there's more to come!

[TechTalkGuy]

Watch the rise of the spire in this video:
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[PhxPavilion]

This building would look better without the antenna. Wish NY got the SWFC instead.

Pretty funny that a condo tower is going to be taller.

[LMich]

The real thing actually looks better than the render.

I was thinking the same thing with the oft-heard caveat, however, that it also shows how aenemic the antenna tower is. I know it's beating a dead horse, but it's such a thin piece of mess to put on a tower so graceful. I'm not even angry that they didn't put the exact radome they have on it in the rendering, but rather that even though they didn't they didn't do something better than what it's been given. Meh.

Anyway, that picture and the ones in the harbor are awesome. The harbor shot is my new background.

[NYguy]

it also shows how aenemic the antenna tower is. I know it's beating a dead horse, but it's such a thin piece of mess to put on a tower so graceful. I'm not even angry that they didn't put the exact radome they have on it in the rendering, but rather that even though they didn't they didn't do something better than what it's been given.


That's the joke of the whole thing. Ok, so you didn't want to build the radome spire for "maintenance" reasons, so this was the only other alternative? The answer is, anything else would have added to the costs, just like the radome. If they could get by with the beacon, and they just might, its a win for them, screw the City and everyone else who looks at the building. "Looks don't pay no rent", lol. Meanwhile, it will be a couple of years or so before the broadcasters can even make a move or start putting equipment up there.


http://broadcastengineering.com/towersantenna/new-yorks-world-trade-center-has-new-spire-no-broadcasters-top

The only thing it’s missing is a broadcast antenna and television (and radio) transmission equipment, as agreements to move the region’s local broadcasters from their nearby Empire State Building and 4 Times Square locations have not been reached. Broadcasters we contacted declined to comment publicly on the on-going negotiations, but there is interest once current leases with Empire State and 4 Times Square, some set to expire in 2015, run out.

An agreement to move local stations’ equipment may be a bit farther off, as current lease deals and reluctance among some stations to move, will delay any activity in this regard....“We are in active conversations with several of the broadcasters right now,” Lyons said. “The major holdup right now is the looming repacking of channels [which will occur once the broadcast spectrum auctions are completed in June of 2014]. Basically, we’re all waiting to see what happens with the auction. For us, it’s holding up which antenna we choose what I buy and other equipment, because right now we don’t know what frequency they will be operating at.”

“While we wait, we are having discussions with stations and finding out what their requirements are,” Lyons said. At this point there has been no construction on transmission rooms or other accommodations at the top of one World Trade Center, but Lyons said there would be. Space has been allocated and several 2MW backup generators have already been installed. ”Everything they need for a fully functioning broadcast facility will be supplied once agreements are reached,” Lyons said.

... one concern for broadcasters that are considering a move is the building’s height. Since 1WTC is now higher than the Empire State Building (at 1,454 feet), stations are cautious about not losing local DMA viewers by “overshooting” them. Extensive field-testing needs to be done, as the 1776 ft height of 1WTC could reduce the effective radiating power of the UHF antenna. In addition, the FCC has a rule that power levels must be lowered as you go higher up in elevation so as not to interfere with airline communications. But none of this can be tested without an antenna on top of 1WTC.

“Understandably stations are concerned that what we put up there will retain the audience they currently have in the near-field urban market of New York City,” Lyons said. “And we don't want to be building something that does not meet the broadcasters’ requirements. So, we’re listening to the stations and looking to come up the best facility we can.”




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[speedbird2]

I was gazing-up at the recently added spire yesterday. I found here that some of these platforms are temporary while others will stay. I don't recall seeing any platforms on the antenna of the destroyed 1 WTC. Why are these platforms needed? Are they for maintenance? Also, the model I have from the Danbury Mint, shows a series of wires attached to the spire, when was that plan changed?

[MadGnome]

I was gazing-up at the recently added spire yesterday. I found here that some of these platforms are temporary while others will stay. I don't recall seeing any platforms on the antenna of the destroyed 1 WTC. Why are these platforms needed? Are they for maintenance? Also, the model I have from the Danbury Mint, shows a series of wires attached to the spire, when was that plan changed?

I'm just guessing, but the platforms would allow antenna systems with 240 degree cardioid type coverage that some phone systems use. Broadcast antennas also need to be a ways from the mast.
You hear a lot about the rings are meant for this and the mast is meant for that, but it's not that simple. Any system can use various antenna systems that might be better off the rings or mast. I haven't heard anything about it for WTC 1, but some military applications could even use very low frequency antennas that could go from one platform to another.
The rings in the depictions are filled with point to point dishes, but there isn't that much demand for those now days and I doubt if the reality will look anything like that.

This is my big problem with the cladding removal. A nice clean spire isn't bad. But if they're highly successful in leasing tower space, the mast could wind up being a much worse mess than the ESB. The rings could also get pretty ugly.

[Traynor]

... I don't recall seeing any platforms on the antenna of the destroyed 1 WTC. Why are these platforms needed? Are they for maintenance? Also, the model I have from the Danbury Mint, shows a series of wires attached to the spire, when was that plan changed?

The permanent platforms were originally NOT platforms but the underlying support for the fibreglass radome that was to cover the mast.

The reason the platforms change size from top to bottom is that they match the profile of the tapering fibreglass radome that was supposed to be attached to them. The railings on the permanent platforms may stay, but some renders show them gone as well.

The guy wires are still to be attached but the cranes and temporary "doghouse" above the communication rings must be removed first.

[Kurtz]

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We've come a long way...

It's a shame cause by no means radome would had look like this platinum plated spire in rendering :haha:

[pnapp1]

I was gazing-up at the recently added spire yesterday. I found here that some of these platforms are temporary while others will stay. I don't recall seeing any platforms on the antenna of the destroyed 1 WTC. Why are these platforms needed? Are they for maintenance? Also, the model I have from the Danbury Mint, shows a series of wires attached to the spire, when was that plan changed?

The main reason for the platforms now are for the lighting fixtures. They are the black boxes in the image below.

http://images.zeit.de/reisen/2013-05/fs-world-trade-center-bilder/18-RTXZHF8.jpg

[hunser]

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[DMTower]

Even though the spire isn't what it was planned to be, I think there is something beautifully gothic and very New York about it.

[goldcntry]

It's kinda growing on me...

[deepen915]

Even though the spire isn't what it was planned to be, I think there is something beautifully gothic and very New York about it.

It's kinda growing on me...

def agreed with both of you :yes:
it will look great once the glass panels are complete and the spire gets lit up by the LEDs

[NewYorkDominates]

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[PMadFlyer]

This is what I have so far. I angled it so Version Three is on the left and Version Two is on the right. I'll make more adjustments and add LED fixtures when I find the time.

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[patrick989]

Will the cranes on the roof start coming down once the rings are done?

[Zapatan]

Tower 4 looks so small next to that thing

[Roadcruiser1]

Will the cranes on the roof start coming down once the rings are done?

Yes.

[deepen915]

They seriously need to paint the spire white.. and anybody notice the 16th piece is whiter than the others?

[JMGarcia]

They seriously need to paint the spire white.. and anybody notice the 16th piece is whiter than the others?

They seriously do. It's so disappointing that they couldn't do that if they were going to dump the radome. There is one piece that seems lighter than the others but I think it's because of it's shape and how it catched the light.

What's really ironic is that they're going to end up installing some antennas up there and then cover them with radome bands a la 4 TSQX; that'll be white and that'll be radome. :shrug:

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[PMadFlyer]

They seriously need to paint the spire white.. and anybody notice the 16th piece is whiter than the others?

That's because section 316 (16th section) along with section 317 are galvanized while the sections below are metallized. The galvanized sections are coated with a protective metal in a bath while the larger sections below are coated with protective material in the open atmosphere. Section 318 (beacon) is stainless steel framed. Its the different method of coating the steel that gives it a slightly different coloring.

[JMGarcia]

Why it's ridiculous for the CTBUH to differentiate spires and antennas when counting height. They just need to stick to pinnacle height and roof height for measuring buildings.

http://i0.wp.com/localtvwjw.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/spire.jpg?fit=1000,1000

By KUTV http://www.kutv.com/news/features/national/stories/vid_2073.shtml

[bigreach]

They seriously do. It's so disappointing that they couldn't do that if they were going to dump the radome. There is one piece that seems lighter than the others but I think it's because of it's shape and how it catched the light.

What's really ironic is that they're going to end up installing some antennas up there and then cover them with radome bands a la 4 TSQX; that'll be white and that'll be radome. :shrug:

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I agree with you guys, paint it white,that would definitely make it look better and much more prominent. And why is it necessary to keep some of the platforms on the a/s/m. Why do they need any other than the 1 that holds the wires?

[NYguy]

It's a shame cause by no means radome would had look like this platinum plated spire in rendering :haha:

That rendering was pre-radome. It was just a stand in for a spire that hadn't been designed yet.



Why it's ridiculous for the CTBUH to differentiate spires and antennas when counting height. They just need to stick to pinnacle height and roof height for measuring buildings.

We're getting a little off the point, but there is no broadcasting from the Times spire, similar to the BofA. There may be issues with the way the CTBUH classifies things, but whatever they are were there before this building went into construction. Whatever the rules are, they are. The only thing now is to see how this fits in.



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[sw5710]

This is what I have so far. I angled it so Version Three is on the left and Version Two is on the right. I'll make more adjustments and add LED fixtures when I find the time.

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V3 and V2 at 310 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8745405726/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8745405056_873d0cbcb4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8745405056/)
V3 and V2 at 315 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8745405056/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8745402926_33474a0d0e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8745402926/)
V3 and V2 down at 317 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8745402926/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8744283217_c85f1e8a7a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8744283217/)
V3 and V2 Up (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8744283217/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

Great stuff:cheers: Are you going to create a detailed one of the top 2 sections that they installed last friday'

[PMadFlyer]

Great stuff:cheers: Are you going to create a detailed one of the top 2 sections that they installed last friday'

I just need to model the top five feet or so of the second to last piece, but the beacon is done.

I'm sorry if you don't have SketchUp, it's free. Anyway I'm not on the computer with the model and its pretty late at night, so here is the model for you to look at.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=9f4fe7e087dc2f44bb5af0555db46d8a

I'll try to add the LED fixtures, red FAA beacon, and the final touches to the structure in the next week or so. After all that I'll start work on the Communication rings and see if I can persuade a certain other forum member to render a floodlight image of the spire.;)

[sw5710]

I just need to model the top five feet or so of the second to last piece, but the beacon is done.

I'm sorry if you don't have SketchUp, it's free. Anyway I'm not on the computer with the model and its pretty late at night, so here is the model for you to look at.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=9f4fe7e087dc2f44bb5af0555db46d8a

I'll try to add the LED fixtures, red FAA beacon, and the final touches to the structure in the next week or so. After all that I'll start work on the Communication rings and see if I can persuade a certain other forum member to render a floodlight image of the spire.;)

I just looked at the model. It looks real good. Will the LEDs run along areas or are all the LEDs floodlights on platforms. And can you tell where the 1,776' point is and do you have elevations of these areas. The Bottom of the lightning rod. The red FAA beacon area. The FAA strobe area. The rotating beacon. Thanks!

[PMadFlyer]

I agree with you guys, paint it white,that would definitely make it look better and much more prominent. And why is it necessary to keep some of the platforms on the a/s/m. Why do they need any other than the 1 that holds the wires?

This is METALLIZED STEEL
http://www.emetalizing.com/images/I71_135_8-4-00_13.jpg
SOURCE (http://www.emetalizing.com/story.cfm?id=17)

This is GALVANIZED STEEL
http://www.lughertexture.com/images/textures/details/metals_11/rusted_metal_13/galvanized_iron_20120518_1481218768.jpg
SOURCE (http://www.lughertexture.com/metals-iron-steel-aluminium-hires-textures/rusted-metal-hires-textures/galvanized-iron-323)

This is the metalizing process
http://www.tennesseemetallizing.com/images/process1a.jpg
SOURCE (http://www.tnmetals.com/process.html)

This is the galvanization process
http://www.sinoconcept.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/steel-galvanizing.jpg
SOURCE (http://www.sinoconcept.com/2012/11/galvanized-steel-bollards/)

The larger sections below the square sectioned section 316 are metalized because they can't fit in a bath. The sections 316 and 317 do fit in the bath and were treated with a process called hot dip galvanization. The beacon is framed with stainless steel for an almost infinite lifespan. One can be made to look darker depending on many variables. The point is this, the reason that the last two sections are a different color is because they were coated using a different technique. I hope that this helps out you guys. Its not a question of laziness. The metalized coating wears off more quickly. If the parts would have fit in the bath, the whole thing would have been galvanized.

[PMadFlyer]

I just looked at the model. It looks real good. Will the LEDs run along areas or are all the LEDs floodlights on platforms. And can you tell where the 1,776' point is and do you have elevations of these areas. The Bottom of the lightning rod. The red FAA beacon area. The FAA strobe area. The rotating beacon. Thanks!

The LED floodlights will be placed on the platforms above section 309. Below that they will be placed on the communication rings and aimed at the spire.

Take a look at this.

From IrishInNYC
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16952

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16952
It also states the material used on the far left side, see my post about metalization versus galvanization.

[spwelan]

From this morning
bluishhue ‏@bluishhue2
#nycskyline May 17, 2013
https://twitter.com/bluishhue2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKd4XFSCEAAbl8i.jpg:large

[NYguy]

( May 16, 2013 )



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[Ninja Man]

Awesome pictures! I can't wait to see both of the skyscrapers finished!

[T-Mac]

This was from my trip to New York last week.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/8743623620_fa4f34a9bf_b.jpg

[Scrapernab2]

Stunning picture T-mac!

[randy1991]

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/temp_images/1368804497898.jpg

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/temp_images/1368804502189.jpg

[JMGarcia]

It's the view where the spire lines up with the apex of the triangular facade (N,S,E,W) that it really adds to the building and the impression of height IMO.


( May 16, 2013 )

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[detroitmetro101]

can they still clothe the antenna, as originally planned, except at a different time...

[Silverfox]

can they still clothe the antenna, as originally planned, except at a different time...

The radome panels were designed to be replaceable, so I don't see why not. I'd imagine they'd just have to temporarily remove the guy wires in order to put cranes up to install the panels, however it's highly unlikely they'd do it in the near future, if ever, under the current ownership. If a new owner takes over someday, and that's the way they want it, then it could very well happen. I wouldn't anticipate any changes for several decades, though.

[jmatero]

Wow, you don't realize how dirty that building is until new panels go up. Wait until they clean a year's worth of NYC crud off... it will be a MIRROR finish!!!!!

[hunser]

Wow, you don't realize how dirty that building is until new panels go up. Wait until they clean a year's worth of NYC crud off... it will be a MIRROR finish!!!!!

Watch out when 4WTC gets its cleansing. It will be spectacular.

[NYC GUY]

Hey in Nyguy's pic number 14 are the base fins out???

[Nexis4Jersey]

My World Trade Center Photos from yesterday...

From Smith-9th Streets...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/8746981994_56c0f7cbaf_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8746981994/)
010 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8746981994/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8415/8745858785_16751d0b35_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8745858785/)
009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8745858785/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

IKEA Brooklyn

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8125/8746981968_32d2c47a2b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8746981968/)
012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8746981968/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/8745858753_13aecddcff_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8745858753/)
013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/8745858753/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

[uaarkson]

Wonderful photos NYguy and Nexis, what a beautiful day. The base cladding looks amazing.

[bigreach]

This is the metalizing process
http://www.tennesseemetallizing.com/images/process1a.jpg
SOURCE (http://www.tnmetals.com/process.html)

This is the galvanization process
http://www.sinoconcept.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/steel-galvanizing.jpg
SOURCE (http://www.sinoconcept.com/2012/11/galvanized-steel-bollards/)

The larger sections below the square sectioned section 316 are metalized because they can't fit in a bath. The sections 316 and 317 do fit in the bath and were treated with a process called hot dip galvanization. The beacon is framed with stainless steel for an almost infinite lifespan. One can be made to look darker depending on many variables. The point is this, the reason that the last two sections are a different color is because they were coated using a different technique. I hope that this helps out you guys. Its not a question of laziness. The metalized coating wears off more quickly. If the parts would have fit in the bath, the whole thing would have been galvanized.[/QUOTE]

Wow they look incredible when they 1st come out.

[JayPro]

I simply must beg forgiveness for this slight deviation; but the way 150G simply disappears into the clear blue sky in those last two panos is simply flabberghasting...........
Otherwise, while I am a bit disappointed that they're going to take down some of the extenstions from the spire (because that's what IMO gave the structure what I would've called its "New Yorkishness"), there shouldn't be enough noticeable difference for me to change my oft-registered opinion.
In fact, viewing the subtractions as a sort of "clean-up" of the spire might do some good...I'll hafta see.

It'll obviously further help matters when the work on the satellite rings is done, too.

[jking24]

Sorry if this has been covered already, but what's the purpose of the structure being erected on the east side of the base of WTC1? New temporary unloading docks?

[MercurySky]

Excuse me if this question has been answered on here before at some point but how will the fins open and will they stay open? I am guessing that it is mechanical?

[sw5710]

Nice pictures.

[CClaudio21]

Excuse me if this question has been answered on here before at some point but how will the fins open and will they stay open? I am guessing that it is mechanical?

I've been wondering about that as well I don't think it has been answered before.

[Traynor]

I simply must beg forgiveness for this slight deviation; but the way 150G simply disappears into the clear blue sky in those last two panos is simply flabberghasting...........


Exactly why I dislike modern skyscrapers with mirror finishes. What's the point of all that height if they simply disappear?

True Scraper-Geeks wanna see their skyline grow!

:D

[PMadFlyer]

:new:
Extremely preliminary renderings.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7309/8749161598_bd65060415.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161598/)
Side Spire Blue (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161598/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/8749161594_3e1da81d99_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161594/)
Red Spire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161594/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/8749165720_234103e1ac_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749165720/)
Working spire at dusk (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749165720/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/8748054359_35e5c248ac_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8748054359/)
Spire Green (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8748054359/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

[PZelda]

Wow, you don't realize how dirty that building is until new panels go up. Wait until they clean a year's worth of NYC crud off... it will be a MIRROR finish!!!!!

And you know what? The panes of glass right above the base -- didn't they start to clad 1 WTC at the end of 2010? So, these panes now have 2.5 YEARS' worth of crud on them. I'm really looking forward to the cleansing, I know it will be epic!! :tup:

[PMadFlyer]

And you know what? The panes of glass right above the base -- didn't they start to clad 1 WTC at the end of 2010? So, these panes now have 2.5 YEARS' worth of crud on them. I'm really looking forward to the cleansing, I know it will be epic!! :tup:

Actually, I think they washed the glass around the anniversary using baskets. I remember Carlos posting pictures of them.

[PZelda]

Actually, I think they washed the glass around the anniversary using baskets. I remember Carlos posting pictures of them.

Huh, I visited NYC then but didn't see that. Plus I wouldn't join here for another 5 months :D I'll have to look back and see if I can find these posts! OK- so 1.5 years of crud, we know for sure :)

[bigreach]

I simply must beg forgiveness for this slight deviation; but the way 150G simply disappears into the clear blue sky in those last two panos is simply flabberghasting...........
Otherwise, while I am a bit disappointed that they're going to take down some of the extenstions from the spire (because that's what IMO gave the structure what I would've called its "New Yorkishness"), there shouldn't be enough noticeable difference for me to change my oft-registered opinion.
In fact, viewing the subtractions as a sort of "clean-up" of the spire might do some good...I'll hafta see.

It'll obviously further help matters when the work on the satellite rings is done, too.

Don't mean to be nosey, but what exactly are you 2 referring to when you talk about 150G disappearing in the clear blue sky, are you talking about the building or the something in the way you make your up-close animated renders?

[PMadFlyer]

Don't mean to be nosey, but what exactly are you 2 referring to when you talk about 150G disappearing in the clear blue sky, are you talking about the building or the something in the way you make your up-close animated renders?

The glass is so reflective that on a clear day the reflection matches the color of the sky and it looks invisible beside the window frames.

[Makaveli96]

:new:
Extremely preliminary renderings.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7309/8749161598_bd65060415.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161598/)
Side Spire Blue (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161598/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/8749161594_3e1da81d99_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161594/)
Red Spire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749161594/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/8749165720_234103e1ac_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749165720/)
Working spire at dusk (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8749165720/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/8748054359_35e5c248ac_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8748054359/)
Spire Green (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmadflyer/8748054359/) by PMadFlyer (http://www.flickr.com/people/pmadflyer/), on Flickr

Whoa wait are these official or just what they will look like?

[Ninja Man]

I hope that they do light up the whole antenna in different colors! It would be really awesome!

[QUEENSNYMAN]

Some pictures by me this late morning:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7299/8751095720_26372eb1a8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751095720/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751095720/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/8749971325_5d9afd71db_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749971325/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749971325/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/8751096062_3f6b417d69_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096062/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096062/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/8751096062_3f6b417d69_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096062/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096062/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5328/8751096808_ce834576a1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096808/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096808/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8122/8751096958_a2ba0d622b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096958/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751096958/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3773/8751097474_00ff965969_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751097474/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751097474/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/8751097618_a0b94b6950_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751097618/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751097618/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7456/8749973759_4c7eda1348_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749973759/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749973759/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5450/8751099190_f2be43d815_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751099190/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8751099190/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8553/8749976853_c8844434d3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749976853/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749976853/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3750/8749977717_363b422dd5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749977717/)
One World Trade Center May 18, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51949497@N08/8749977717/) by NYMAN2010 (http://www.flickr.com/people/51949497@N08/), on Flickr

Hope ya like.

[QUEENSNYMAN]

My video from this morning,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebukb6BICaY

[RockMont]

Awesome progress! Pretty soon, all that will be left, is 'zipping up that "zipper" '. Up the side of the building where the construction elevator is.

[NYguy]

It's the view where the spire lines up with the apex of the triangular facade (N,S,E,W) that it really adds to the building and the impression of height IMO.

That's always been my impression of the building, from since it was first revealed. Similar in a way to the Jin Mao...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150258429/original.jpg_http://www.molon.de/galleries/China/Shanghai/JinMao/images01/01%20Jin%20Mao%20tower.jpg
http://www.molon.de/galleries/China/Shanghai/JinMao/img.php?pic=1



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150258430/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150258433/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150258431/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150258432/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150241265/large.jpg_http://www.architectureartdesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Jin-Mao-Building.jpg
http://www.architectureartdesigns.com/impressive-supertall-buildings-architecture/



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150241288/large.jpg

[JACKinBeantown]

Jin Mao is such a cool building.

[PMadFlyer]

Whoa wait are these official or just what they will look like?

Thanks for the compliment, but these are just renders.
This guy here has pictures of the real deal. I'll post them in response to a similar question.
ironmike40 (http://statigr.am/ironmike40)

[PMadFlyer]

I hope that they do light up the whole antenna in different colors! It would be really awesome!

Pictures from the ground during testing.
ironmike40 (http://statigr.am/ironmike40)
http://distilleryimage2.s3.amazonaws.com/a5e1a746b04111e2af3622000a9f17ea_7.jpg

http://distilleryimage3.s3.amazonaws.com/29c0eb26b04211e2a3ec22000a9d0dfd_7.jpg

http://distilleryimage3.s3.amazonaws.com/fb05d756b04111e2928c22000a9f3092_7.jpg

[CityGuy87]

I hope that they do light up the whole antenna in different colors! It would be really awesome!

Well this is a Durst property, so I'd be surprised if it didn't.

[Albaholic]

One thing that's been on my mind throughout this whole "is-it-1776-or-isn't-it" conversation.

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Not so much of a willie-measuring contest as it is masturbation.