NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS

[babybackribs2314]

Yesterday & full update:

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/05/construction-update-one-world-trade.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E0PLyCkCrPc/T60fFzQcUXI/AAAAAAAABFA/CBlv7iZkAGM/s1600/2012-05-10+15.41.26.jpg

[pnapp1]

IMO, if they paint it white it would help.

[Yankee fan for life]

IMO, if they paint it white it would help.

the render that most people are showing of the antenna is set during sun rise or sun set which gives it a bronze like affect but it is not the true color.

[Don098]

Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't mind if David Childs took this to court and delayed the whole project. The outcome is what matters here, not the path taken. 50 years from now no one will remember the story of how it was built (and Durst will probably have little recollection of his decision), but everyone will sure as hell see that ugly ass spire and imagine what it would look like without it.

[gramsjdg]

From CNN article:

"A spokesman for the building owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, said they are not worried that the design change will significantly alter the structure's height.

"If truth be told, this discussion is irrelevant. One WTC will be the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere," said Steve Coleman, the port authority's spokesman."

Can you believe this load of BS? Even the PA is in dreamland:koko:...

Tallest building in the western hemisphere my ass. Keep dreaming Steve...:dunce:

[meh_cd]

Pretty clear that the new head of the Port Authority either lacks a spine when it comes to Durst's demands, or they are in this together.

I think in the past I may have said that I disliked Chris Ward (the director of the Port Authority until recently). I take all of that back. He was the only guy holding these morons back. Haven't all of the podium and plaza changes taken place after he left as well?

Hey, NY Guy, any news on what or where Conde Nast's vent is going to go? Given recent developments I imagine it will be some horrible monstrosity on the south side of the building facing the memorial. :rolleyes:

[Otie]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7078/7176587938_e8fd8221cc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisschoenbohm/7176587938/)
'Lower Manhattan', United States, New York, New York City, Lower Manhattan, Sunset (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisschoenbohm/7176587938/) by WanderingtheWorld (www.LostManProject.com) (http://www.flickr.com/people/chrisschoenbohm/), on Flickr

[gramsjdg]

Cool shot Otie!

[CarlosV]

Another beautiful day in Gotham :tup:

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[NYC GUY]

^^^
It is a nice day :) judging by that photo it looks like they've started the decking.

[DesignerVoodoo]

Do you think they have considered wrapping a staircase around the spire? There are solutions to problems and to me it seems like Mr. Durst is making excuses.

BTW, I have contacted ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, The View, Anderson Cooper, Howard Stern and 2 local bloggers trying to get the word out about the proposed change to the design and possible height change.

[CHAPINM1]

Do you think they have considered wrapping a staircase around the spire? There are solutions to problems and to me it seems like Mr. Durst is making excuses.

BTW, I have contacted ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, The View, Anderson Cooper, Howard Stern and 2 local bloggers trying to get the word out about the proposed change to the design and possible height change.

Thank you for all of your efforts!!!

[NYC GUY]

What if you contacted NY senator Chuck Schumer maybe he would help because when the shuttle arrived in NY he kept mentioning how he liked One World Trade Center.

[mt_climber13]

I like the newly designed "pole." And I don't think that a spire or mast or radio antenna should ever be considered in a building's height. This building will never be 1,776 feet in my eyes.

[Totojuice]

I think I speak for all of us when I say, "fuck Durst." That name will be a dirty word with me from now on.

Agreed. And to those who say "It is what it is" or "Embrace the reality" I call BS. We are Americans. We fight for what we believe in, we don't just roll over and "embrace" something because we are told to.

Popular movements CAN produce change. Pressure can produce results.

This antenna is a disgrace.

[Totojuice]

Well, there IS another option to make this building structurally taller without compromising the current design: Put a glass and steel (same as curtain wall facade) pyramid roof on it similar to the Washington monument's "cap" It could be an observation area (like the Pingyang tower) and there would be no antennas. The HVAC equipment could vent out the sides. That would bring the actual roof height to between 1500 and 1550 ft. Maybe Otie or STR could render it?:tup:

It would make it look more like an obelisk or monument- but isn't that what its supposed to be ?

That might actually look really cool....

[TouchTheSky13]

Pardon my french, but if David Childs has any balls he will go to bat for his design and not merely lament the Durst redesign half-assed. Childs is the one who has been front and center promoting the design, and the symbolic height, so the way I see it, Durst has thrown Childs and SOM under the bus. I hope Childs stands up to this stupid redesign, we shall see if he has any backbone.

I don't think that Childs is going to role over on this. He even said he wouldn't:

"Eliminating this integral part of the building’s design and leaving an exposed antenna and equipment is unfortunate. We stand ready to work with the port on an alternate design that will still mark the One World Trade Center’s place in New York City’s skyline,” Childs said.

[Renton]

Already saw this rendering, but it is bigger and is in more detail so I am going to post it again. Can't zoom in any closer.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5gaFlvcWEy6s3DzVZ62P2QwRmpJHQ?docId=23e4c0f4117c4d1297b006c87d83d787&size=l

Thats it. I don't know, maybe it will grow on me. But for now, I don't like it.

[NYC GUY]

So does anyone think that Child's will make an alternate design?

[Zapatan]

^He said he would... one can only hope.

[chris123678]

They claim to have "redesigned" it but they have stripped this spire of all it's unique characteristics.

I don't understand why they won't just make the cladding around the spire thinner, it never really looked right that fat, just a little thinner, not completely strip the damn thing.

[Trinity2112]

Get it right, Durst. :hell:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/ONEWTC.jpg

[marshall]

I like most people are quite pissed off at the latest developments about the spire, but I continue to hold out a slim hope that maybe SOM & Durst can come to some common ground before the spire is actually hoisted into place...That being said, I have a question...Durst claims it would cost 20 million to maintain the spire, or something along those lines. Why couldn't they simply install the spire as intended by SOM on a TRIAL basis, and try it out first? This would enable 1WTC to claim its intended height of 1776 feet, and become the tallest in the US and the Western Hemisphere by pinnacle height (if only for a time)....It would also enable the detractors like Durst to see if in fact the spire would actually be as hard to maintain as they seem to think...But the main thing would be that if the spire were installed on a temporary basis, like maybe a year or so, it would allow the building to go ahead and claim the intended height records. If you recall the original Twin Towers, they were only the tallest in the world for like a year or so before the Sears Tower came to be...So why can't they try SOM's spire, then if for whatever reasons it doesn't work out, agree to install the stripped antenna as designed by Durst, hideous as it is?? Just some of my thoughts..

[MrLegendardisch]

I actually, as a outstander, sended you ny governer a e mail.

I think they could do the antenna cladding and radome in a latter fase. but its the money i see. Someone reached the media or any big person in the us?

[NYC GUY]

^^^
I think someone should also try to contact NY Senator Schumer since he's said on tv how 1WTC is a symbol of New York and the tallest building in America.

[Davidsam52]

If Durst has half a brain they will reconsider....All this negative publicity they are getting skewered (and rightly so)!!!

[marshall]

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/Contact/contact_chuck.cfm

There is the link to Senator Chuck Schumer's email..I sent him a detailed email about the concerns about the spire re-design. I am not a resident of New York, but I emphasized the aesthetic aspects, and how the spire as intended by SOM should be maintained because of the importance of the site and prominence of 1WTC...Anyone else who wishes to write the Senator, just please be respectful and do not use any profanity. I also wrote to Durst and Mr. Barowitz of Durst.

[MrLegendardisch]

Still they could do the cladding and radome later. On a side note. Can us cutizens (not me im dutch)
take justicial steps to sue the pa and drust to let the spire thing eventually happen.
If so why not just do it? Sounds stupid i know

[babou95]

it's maybe the antenna who is in the spire, no ?

[detroitmetro101]

guys, this website and its members can stop this change, lets email the ny senators and the ny governor...otherwise, why are we here every day, looking at updates and marveling at buildings and cities. We should not simply stand by, because it is an embarrassment for the city, state, and country...this is not just some other building, the grounds it is being built on are hallowed, and only the outmost quality should be applied in the construction, at least on this one…i for one did not only email the ny legislators, but i will email my own as well, just so they are aware...politicians use this site and the events that took place there at will, they should know about the developments taking place there, and hopefully object to them...

[Roadcruiser1]

I like most people are quite pissed off at the latest developments about the spire, but I continue to hold out a slim hope that maybe SOM & Durst can come to some common ground before the spire is actually hoisted into place...That being said, I have a question...Durst claims it would cost 20 million to maintain the spire, or something along those lines. Why couldn't they simply install the spire as intended by SOM on a TRIAL basis, and try it out first? This would enable 1WTC to claim its intended height of 1776 feet, and become the tallest in the US and the Western Hemisphere by pinnacle height (if only for a time)....It would also enable the detractors like Durst to see if in fact the spire would actually be as hard to maintain as they seem to think...But the main thing would be that if the spire were installed on a temporary basis, like maybe a year or so, it would allow the building to go ahead and claim the intended height records. If you recall the original Twin Towers, they were only the tallest in the world for like a year or so before the Sears Tower came to be...So why can't they try SOM's spire, then if for whatever reasons it doesn't work out, agree to install the stripped antenna as designed by Durst, hideous as it is?? Just some of my thoughts..

Because you can't build something to try it out. There is no such thing as building a house for someone to try out. If built it's permanent. Not being mean but some of you guys really have to take architecture and engineering classes, because some of you guys have no idea on what you are talking about.

[marshall]

Because you can't build something to try it out. There is no such thing as building a house for someone to try out. If built it's permanent. Not being mean but some of you guys really have to take architecture and engineering classes, because some of you guys have no idea on what you are talking about.

Well excuse me but I don't claim to be an architecture or engineering expert. I am merely someone who cares about the site and was just throwing out ideas. Who the hell died and made you King Expert?

[Roadcruiser1]

Well excuse me but I don't claim to be an architecture or engineering expert. I am merely someone who cares about the site and was just throwing out ideas. Who the hell died and made you King Expert?

I am not labeling just you. Just some of you need to do some studying to see what is possible and what is not.

[Totojuice]

I've emailed Mayor Bloomberg, and posted a comment to the WSJ article.

I'm emailing the Governor next.

We also have an ally in Nicole Gelinas (op-ed writer for NY Post and NY Times) who has been a really thoughtful contributor to the ever-evolving conversation about the rebuilding of WTC....not sure where she is these days, but doing some digging....

[Kippis]

Not to start a riot here, but something else seems a bit off about that rendering, other than the obvious *nasty-ass* design change of the spire...where in the world did 175 Greenwich/3WTC and 200 Greenwich/2WTC go?

[CarlosV]

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[599GTO]

^^^
I think someone should also try to contact NY Senator Schumer since he's said on tv how 1WTC is a symbol of New York and the tallest building in America.

Thanks. Just e-mailed Schumer.

[WTCman7301]

Thanks. Just e-mailed Schumer.

That guy is going to get so much emails (including me) he's gonna have to change his mind.:)

[2-TOWERS]

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[BStyles]

Not to start a riot here, but something else seems a bit off about that rendering, other than the obvious *nasty-ass* design change of the spire...where in the world did 175 Greenwich/3WTC and 200 Greenwich/2WTC go?

175 is in the dead lower right hand corner of the photo and 200 is observing its uncertain fate. Durst wanted so bad to change the site that they're sweet talking the PA and making it look like garbage to compensate.

[chris123678]

I was just looking at the difference of the two.

A Spire is a architecture feature that tapers; a structure or formation. Such as the Pentronas towers, or One Liberty Place In Philadelphia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:One_Liberty_Place.jpeg

An antenna is a electrical device that sends signals.

My question is, isn't a spire, built along with the building, an antenna mounted?

So how would they build this?

It's odd because One Liberty place in Philliy's spire was mounted

[CarlosV]

photo taken by my buddy Tom from LIC ....on 4/29/12

pretty soon i will be visiting his work so I can get shots from his 14th floor office

:)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7179393496_6cfdd2501e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7179393496/)
WTC by tom from LIC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7179393496/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[chris123678]

Hate to keep bring this up but look at One Liberty Place Spire. It looks like an antenna itself

[Zapatan]

Hate to keep bring this up but look at One Liberty Place Spire. It looks like an antenna itself

It has antennas on it, but it goes with the building originally


from emporis.com

http://www.emporis.com/images/show/328926-Large.jpg

[chris123678]

It has antennas on it, but it goes with the building originally


from emporis.com

http://www.emporis.com/images/show/328926-Large.jpg

But it's not an antenna, it's a spire. It looks similar to the new spire planned for One World Trade Center. So maybe it will be still a spire.

[Roadcruiser1]

I was just looking at the difference of the two.

A Spire is a architecture feature that tapers; a structure or formation. Such as the Pentronas towers, or One Liberty Place In Philadelphia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:One_Liberty_Place.jpeg

An antenna is a electrical device that sends signals.

My question is, isn't a spire, built along with the building, an antenna mounted?

So how would they build this?

It's odd because One Liberty place in Philliy's spire was mounted

A spire is basically a structural part of a building. It's attached to the building and serves as sort of a decoration as well. An antenna is put onto the roof of the building. No structural attachment except it is anchored to the parapet. An example of this is the antenna on the North Tower which was attached to the parapet and the hat truss not the main structure. An antenna or spire is made in a factory and is assembled onto the roof. It's either lifted by cranes or helicopters. The old mast before Durst came along had the radome outside and the antenna inside. The radome was part of the structure it was a structural element, but the antenna inside is not. Now if you remove the radome the only thing left would be the antenna. It's not attached to the building's structure except for the parapet and the hat truss. So technically it's no longer part of the building.

This diagram from the New York Times will do a perfect job of explaining. The orange area is the antenna. If Durst gets their way the entire gray area will be removed leaving the orange area.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2012/0510-met-wtc/0510-met-WTCweb.png

[chris123678]

A spire is basically a structural part of a building. It's attached to the building and serves as sort of a decoration as well. An antenna is put onto the roof of the building. No structural attachment except it is anchored to the parapet. An example of this is the antenna on the North Tower which was attached to the parapet and the hat truss not the main structure. An antenna or spire is made in a factory and is assembled onto the roof. It's either lifted by cranes or helicopters. The old mast before Durst came along had the radome outside and the antenna inside. The radome was part of the structure it was a structural element, but the antenna inside is not. Now if you remove the radome the only thing left would be the antenna. It's not attached to the building's structure except for the parapet and the hat truss. So technically it's no longer part of the building.

This diagram from the New York Times will do a perfect job of explaining. The orange area is the antenna. If Durst gets their way the entire gray area will be removed leaving the orange area.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2012/0510-met-wtc/0510-met-WTCweb.png


Thanks for explaining. I doubt that they will give up the 1,776. Thanks agian.

[Otie]

The spire consists of two major components: a steel tower called guyed-radio-mast (not antenna) and an architectural enclosure wrapping it.
Neither the mast nor the enclosure are structural elements of the tower, in fact a +400 ton mast sitting on top of the roof slab just adds extra weight to the whole structure. The core will take all the gravity load of the mast, while the guy cables anchored to the roof slab will add to the mast extra support against wind loads.
The radome enclosure is extremely light compared to the steel tower or mast.
There's no hat truss in this tower, it's structural configuration simply doesn't need it.

See post 19228 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5552179&postcount=19228) for more info.


:tup:

[chris123678]

The spire consists of two major components: a steel tower called mast (not antenna) and an architectural enclosure wrapping it.
Neither the mast nor the enclosure are structural elements of the tower, in fact a +400 ton mast sitting on top of the roof slab just adds extra weight to the whole structure. The core will take all the gravity load of the mast, while the guy cables anchored to the roof slab will add to the mast extra support against wind loads.
The radome enclosure is extremely light compared to the steel tower or mast.
There's no hat truss in this tower, it's structural configuration simply doesn't need it.

See post 19228 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5552179&postcount=19228) for more info.


:tup:

So are you saying that no matter what it will reach 1,776 feet?

[Otie]

It will be taller than that number. Vito Corleone's post at SSC answers your questions.

Originally posted by Vito Corleone (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91233310&postcount=32171)

Taken into account that the building should be measured from the lowest open-air pedestrian entance, which is actually 5' 8" lower than where they took the 1776' measurement from, the real height figures should now be:

Height to tip of lightning rod: 1797.67'/547.93m
Height to top of parapet (official height?): 1373.67'/418.7m
Height to highest occupied floor: 1274'/388.32m



Originally posted by Vito Corleone (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91237863&postcount=32209)
The 5' 8" figure came from a reliable source which I cannot disclose yet, because of the sensitive nature of this obsession of hitting the 1776' figure.

I don't see how the Council can classify this latest design as a decorative spire. And yes, the original design would have had an offical height of 1781' 8", and 1797' 8" to the tip of the lightning rod.

Maybe they will chop off some height of the antenna to at least make the total height at 1776. Who knows what they are going to do, but it will be fun to follow all of the controversy in the next several months. :popcorn:

[WTCman7301]

Are they going to work on the building on Saturday and Sunday?

[meh_cd]

So are you saying that no matter what it will reach 1,776 feet?

Of course it will, but that hasn't been the issue. The issue is spire vs. antenna and whether or not the "redesign" (simply the removal of the outer shell + keeping the beacon... big whoop) will nullify the 1776 foot height.

[mat97]

Are they going to work on the building on Saturday and Sunday?

Last saturday and sunday they worked, maybe also today:)

[NYC=WTC]

You know its funny that they can be almost finished with this building and still have design issues :haha: You would think with all of the high profiled architects, engineers and other construction workers involved with this project that they can design a antenna/spire that is maintainable and cost efficient :haha: Since they redesigned the lower portion of the building from the original plans, including having a 20 story blast proof barrier and redesigning the glass for the base, then I am pretty sure that Mr David Childs can redesign the spire to accommodate his clients and the general publics concerns:yes::yes::yes:

[hunser]

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[CarlosV]

Guten Morgen Hunser :hi:


Are they going to work on the building on Saturday and Sunday?

they sure are working right now!

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.

one year ago :yes:

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[car2004]

photo taken by my buddy Tom from LIC ....on 4/29/12

pretty soon i will be visiting his work so I can get shots from his 14th floor office

:)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7179393496_6cfdd2501e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7179393496/)
WTC by tom from LIC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7179393496/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Wow...seriously, what a f***ing great picture man! It is really nice!!! This website has so many great photographers!

[hunser]

Guten Morgen Hunser :hi:


Hehe, auch dir einen guten Morgen Carlos!
A day at SSP starts at visiting the 1WTC thread and check out the Carlos' Cam. :) So you better do your job, or I'll get cranky pretty fast! j/k :haha:

Btw nice comparison to the progress one year ago...

[car2004]

Ever since the news of the new "redesign," much has been debated and discussed. Many people here make good points; many of which I agree with (those that dislike the the change, but to be honest - I always found the lower potion of the spire odd looking, like some cheap UFO with badly placed lights). However, Part of moving on, in my opinion, is not holding on to the past. To me, keeping a height of 1,343 (sorry, typing on phone and do not remember the exact height of the old tallest Twin Tower) and using a spire of over 400 feet to justify a height of 1776 (for reasons we Americans know why) is silly. Let me get to the point - the structure of the building is very strong. The building, I would think, can take on more floors. Why not simply add on more floors?! I mean, much of this building has gone to protecting it, which I have no complains about. Nevertheless, it has takes billions, years, lives, and the world has seen many and will see many more tall structures. We need something that will stand the test of time. Between the years of 2001 and 2014 - when the building will open - is a long time. I think this new redesign, may, and you just never know, give us a chance to take a look at how tall this structure is, which is already a monster. I would think we could look forward and make the extra 400 ft actual floors and not just some antenna/spire as an excuse to make it up to 1776 - a number that greatly means much to the American people. I clearly am no expertise in building structure and design. I freely admit this. I am just expressing my opinion, desire, and dream; a building that really is 1776 in height among the people of the United States of America. I think back to one building that added extra floors. If this building, which did not/does not have the same type of structure, engineering and strength built into it, then I would think our new One World Trade (A.K.A., Freedom Tower) could support the extra floors. The building I refer to is the Blue Cross Blue Shield Tower in Chicago, ILL, which built atop its 33 stories an additional 24 stories in 2009. I understand this particular building was planned ahead of time in the "just in case they needed extra room" but I am sure that huge 400+ spire would have added much weight either way. That is all I have to say. How I await the experts on this site to express their thoughts and to tell me if that would even be possible.

[car2004]

Thats it. I don't know, maybe it will grow on me. But for now, I don't like it.

(we all must expect what the redesign is now and will forever be. All I have to go on is what this structure represents)

I think it will. But, the color is what I have an issue with. If the color were silver, then I would be 'okay' with it.

[PZelda]

Looks like the black netting has been raised - there were 3 exposed floors before, now it's 5. :D And they started cladding the south side, but you can just barely see it on the WTC Progress cam. Don't think they put up glass at all yesterday - so that's only one day (I think) that they haven't put up glass since they started cladding again last month. :) (not too shabby!)

[car2004]

Hey guys I have been following this forum for years, I know who most of you are and recent situations finally caused to create an account.
Now that being said I think just sitting here whining on forums wont change a thing .. we have ONLY three options!

1. Just live with it and do nothing (aka stop complaining)
2. Everyone get together and fight this; arrange protests, get SOMs attention, get the medias attention, get tourists at the sites attention! We have numbers here, power is always in numbers; it is just a question of can we organize the numbers we have?
3. Start a fund raiser to raise 10 million dollars. (Though this is an option it is the hardest and least likely of the two with less than a 5% chance of success) However I have been thinking about the numbers and this could be pretty kool if you think about it
NYC has 8 million people; so theoretically if everyone gave a $1.25 we would be good! However the chances of 1 person running into everyone in NYC and getting money from everyone and it being at least a buck 25 is near impossible. However if we have 100 people collecting money the 8 million people they would have to meet goes down to 80,000. Now if you cut that by 50% you now have 200 members trying to meet 40,000 people and get a $1.25. Very hard yes, unlikely ... no not at all! Large universities, stadiums, concerts, and just on the streets of New York would be a very good place! For one person to meet 40,000 people it would take 11 hours if they were to meet someone every second! As youc an see this idea is plausible but very unlikely because obviously people cant spend 8 hours doing this for a week or so since we all have jobs and other obligations.

These are your options everyone, two are not very good; but options are options!

Great positive thinking! However, why not just make a website and have people use Paypal. And if people want to give more, let them. Plus, this is not just an issue/cause for only New Yorkers - remember that. I love design. I love buildings. I love trees. I love everything about NYC and the World Trade Center, and the people that work their butts off trying to make it a building America deserves and desires. Would I contribute - you bet ya. Would I contribute more than $1.25, without question. Will I say how much, no. LOL. I like your positive and forward thinking. I respect your opinion greatly. I just wonder - can this happen?! We do still have a year or two. Do not forget that changes can be made, as is the issue with the Willis Tower (A.K.A., Sears Tower) in which they changed the name and, I believe it is still in debate, may soon change the color of the Tower to Silver.

[mat97]

The coverage of the floor 101 and 102 is started:cheers::banana:

[MikelAS]

Ever since the news of the new "redesign," much has been debated and discussed. Many people here make good points; many of which I agree with (those that dislike the the change, but to be honest - I always found the lower potion of the spire odd looking, like some cheap UFO with badly placed lights). However, Part of moving on, in my opinion, is not holding on to the past. To me, keeping a height of 1,343 (sorry, typing on phone and do not remember the exact height of the old tallest Twin Tower) and using a spire of over 400 feet to justify a height of 1776 (for reasons we Americans know why) is silly. Let me get to the point - the structure of the building is very strong. The building, I would think, can take on more floors. Why not simply add on more floors?! I mean, much of this building has gone to protecting it, which I have no complains about. Nevertheless, it has takes billions, years, lives, and the world has seen many and will see many more tall structures. We need something that will stand the test of time. Between the years of 2001 and 2014 - when the building will open - is a long time. I think this new redesign, may, and you just never know, give us a chance to take a look at how tall this structure is, which is already a monster. I would think we could look forward and make the extra 400 ft actual floors and not just some antenna/spire as an excuse to make it up to 1776 - a number that greatly means much to the American people. I clearly am no expertise in building structure and design. I freely admit this. I am just expressing my opinion, desire, and dream; a building that really is 1776 in height among the people of the United States of America. I think back to one building that added extra floors. If this building, which did not/does not have the same type of structure, engineering and strength built into it, then I would think our new One World Trade (A.K.A., Freedom Tower) could support the extra floors. The building I refer to is the Blue Cross Blue Shield Tower in Chicago, ILL, which built atop its 33 stories an additional 24 stories in 2009. I know this build planned ahead of time in the "just in case they needed extra room" but I am sure that huge 400+ spire would have added much weight either way. That is all I have to say. How I await the experts on this site to express their thoughts and to tell me if that would even be possible.

How do you propose they add more floors? It simply will not work with the way the building is designed...

[car2004]

How do you propose they add more floors? It simply will not work with the way the building is designed...

Why will it not work? I say (type), simply just "add on".

Reviewing several of the comments on here, I have one more thing to say - I really do love the spire, the design, but it really is simply too big and a waste of space. I mean, 400 ft (?) on a building that is to take the place of our lost twins? With the growing population and the growing market of jobs, I believe this building will be simply too limited in the future. Let floors 100-110 be mechanical, and just add on another 20 floors, go back to adding the restaurant (as it should have been), and then add the original design of the spire. I do not believe an extra 28 floors would look bad. Just think of it has a longer tapper down; as it gets taller, it becomes less wide.

I do not know. Love to hear your thoughts. On a separate note, I just feel weird that Two World Trade (God willing it be built) will be almost the same height, almost overpowering it. However, nonetheless, one element that will not overpowering One World Trade is how bulky it is, it is simply massive. What I was referring to in the aforementioned was simply height.

[alan88]

Sunday there are tower crane inspections scheduled, so they will not be erecting steel

alan

[Roadcruiser1]

Why will it not work? I say (type), simply just "add on".

Reviewing several of the comments on here, I have one more thing to say - I really do love the spire, the design, but it really is simply too big and a waste of space. I mean, 400 ft (?) on a building that is to take the place of our lost twins? With the growing population and the growing market of jobs, I believe this building will be simply too limited in the future. Let floors 100-110 be mechanical, and just add on another 20 floors, go back to adding the restaurant (as it should have been), and then add the original design of the spire. I do not believe an extra 28 floors would look bad. Just think of it has a longer tapper down; as it gets taller, it becomes less wide.

I do not know. Love to hear your thoughts. On a separate note, I just feel weird that Two World Trade (God willing it be built) will be almost the same height, almost overpowering it. However, nonetheless, one element that will not overpowering One World Trade is how bulky it is, it is simply massive. What I was referring to in the aforementioned was simply height.

That can't happen because it's architecturally/engineering impossible. Once a building is under construction or is done you can't add extra floors unless if the design allows it. I already explained this a billion times. If you went back 2 pages I already explained why it can't happen. Like I told everyone some of you really need to study and see what works and what doesn't work. There are buildings that are however design for additional floors for example the Metropolitan Life North Building is one, and the other one is the Sears Tower, but One World Trade Center wasn't design to allow additional floors. Once it was up it was impossible to consider it. It won't happen now and it will never happen.

Also Otie I thought they just reconfigured the building to allow a hat truss. I don't really know but that is what I found. I forgot the link though...

[chris123678]

Why will it not work? I say (type), simply just "add on".

Reviewing several of the comments on here, I have one more thing to say - I really do love the spire, the design, but it really is simply too big and a waste of space. I mean, 400 ft (?) on a building that is to take the place of our lost twins? With the growing population and the growing market of jobs, I believe this building will be simply too limited in the future. Let floors 100-110 be mechanical, and just add on another 20 floors, go back to adding the restaurant (as it should have been), and then add the original design of the spire. I do not believe an extra 28 floors would look bad. Just think of it has a longer tapper down; as it gets taller, it becomes less wide.

I do not know. Love to hear your thoughts. On a separate note, I just feel weird that Two World Trade (God willing it be built) will be almost the same height, almost overpowering it. However, nonetheless, one element that will not overpowering One World Trade is how bulky it is, it is simply massive. What I was referring to in the aforementioned was simply height.

Their a multiple of reasons that they can't add floors. One, the foundations set for the towers support that of a 104-105 floor foot tower. Adding 20 extra floors could be dangerous. Watch Marvels Engineering Disasters. They have a few episodes on things like that.
Secondly, the building tapers, the triangles will be coming together, within the next 2 to three jumps. There is no way that you can do this. If this building was like the twins, were it doesn''t taper, you could do that. But then again, only if foundations allow that.

[gramsjdg]

Also Otie I thought they just reconfigured the building to allow a hat truss. I don't really know but that is what I found. I forgot the link though...[/QUOTE]

Why would they add a hat truss? Even with the radome gone, wouldn't the antenna be anchored the same way as originally planned?

[car2004]

That can't happen because it's architecturally/engineering impossible. Once a building is under construction or is done you can't add extra floors unless if the design allows it. I already explained this a billion times. If you went back 2 pages I already explained why it can't happen. Like I told everyone some of you really need to study and see what works and what doesn't work. There are buildings that are however design for additional floors for example the Metropolitan Life North Building is one, and the other one is the Sears Tower, but One World Trade Center wasn't design to allow additional floors. Once it was up it was impossible to consider it. It won't happen now and it will never happen.

Also Otie I thought they just reconfigured the building to allow a hat truss. I don't really know but that is what I found. I forgot the link though...

Well, my friend, that is why I asked for an experts opinion on this site. If I were to research into this, I would be starting up another PhD. I am a Research Associate in Social Sciences, if I gave my name, you would be able to see my peer-reviewed work. Nonetheless, buildings and structures have always interest me. I really would have thought it not impossible considering many factors that went into this building. I guess if we ever were to have a world like that of the Fifth Element (movie) - which I know is very much impossible - we could always therefore lift this very much important building up into the skies, as the Statue of Liberty was depicted in the aforemented movie. - just a joke.

[car2004]

Their a multiple of reasons that they can't add floors. One, the foundations set for the towers support that of a 104-105 floor foot tower. Adding 20 extra floors could be dangerous. Watch Marvels Engineering Disasters. They have a few episodes on things like that.
Secondly, the building tapers, the triangles will be coming together, within the next 2 to three jumps. There is no way that you can do this. If this building was like the twins, were it doesn''t taper, you could do that. But then again, only if foundations allow that.

Thank you, man. I will look into 'Marvels Engineering Disasters'.

[MrLegendardisch]

But still couldn't they build the antenna cladding and radome later when the money is there, like a chrysler building effect.

Oh and ofcourse build a starcase or something arround the antenna

[mrnyc]

it would seem to me the antenna could use a radome exterior spire as protection, but at the same time i can also see how its really not necessary and that the upkeep would be very difficult.

what i do not understand is instead of dropping the radome or casing spire or whatever ya callit altogether, can't they just make it out of cheaper and more durable material like plastic or something? whos gonna notice or care way up there? i ask that because it seems the issue is that there must be a radome spire to count as height, but not necessarily any issue re whats its made out of.

thoughts?

[CarlosV]

Steel is going up!!!! :) :banana::banana: Higher and higher baby!!!


Sunday there are tower crane inspections scheduled, so they will not be erecting steel

alan

wrong!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7239/7183472962_bfc051df6b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183472962/)
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[mat97]

Steel is going up!!!! :) :banana::banana: Higher and higher baby!!!




wrong!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7239/7183472962_bfc051df6b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183472962/)
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:banana::multibow:multibow:upload_71700::fireworks

[chris123678]

Really? Seems very soon. Are these perimeter or core columns?

Looks like core columns.

[NewYorkDominates]

:banana::multibow:multibow:upload_71700::fireworks

Yea boy!!!!Come at me 1WTC haters!!!!1WTC rules


Edit:What just happened?

[CarlosV]

:shrug::shrug::shrug:

I don't get it...they placed the steel column down flat on the roof after 30 minutes of being up...??? that has never happened before :(

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5032/7183658890_4650e5ac56_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183658890/)
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[WTCman7301]

:shrug::shrug::shrug:

I don't get it...they placed the steel column down flat on the roof after 30 minutes of being up...???

Mabye this week they will put it back on again. They were probably getting ready for this week.

[mat97]

The coverage of floor 101 and 102 is finished, we will see new steel next week,

[CarlosV]

this is crazy they are raising the steel column again!!!! :koko: :) and put it down again... LOL

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7183844550_0701a210f3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183844550/)
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[mat97]

this is crazy they are raising the steel column again!!!! :koko: :) and put it down again... LOL

Are you sure????

[CarlosV]

LOL yes...i'm like watching a dramatic movie here ... ;):)

[Roadcruiser1]

Maybe there is a problem up there?

[mat97]

Maybe for the wind?

[CarlosV]

I dunno but seriously they have lifted that column at least 5 times and put it down again.....it just went down again....

[rider15]

Maybe they are testing cranes :D

[Tall guy 31]

Carlos, today is Saturday...NOT Sunday. lol

Steel is going up!!!! :) :banana::banana: Higher and higher baby!!!




wrong!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7239/7183472962_bfc051df6b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183472962/)
DSC_0433_1 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183472962/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

[J.M.]

Maybe the placement of that specific column is trickier?

[Jonboy1983]

That can't happen because it's architecturally/engineering impossible. Once a building is under construction or is done you can't add extra floors unless if the design allows it. I already explained this a billion times. If you went back 2 pages I already explained why it can't happen. Like I told everyone some of you really need to study and see what works and what doesn't work. There are buildings that are however design for additional floors for example the Metropolitan Life North Building is one, and the other one is the Sears Tower, but One World Trade Center wasn't design to allow additional floors. Once it was up it was impossible to consider it. It won't happen now and it will never happen.

Also Otie I thought they just reconfigured the building to allow a hat truss. I don't really know but that is what I found. I forgot the link though...

Somewhat off topic, but is the US Steel Building designed that way?

In any event, I guess One WTC will still look incredible whether it be with the awesome spire or uninspiring antenna. I still want it to be constructed with the previously designed spire tho for all reasons mentioned. You bet that I'd contribue something, whether it be $$$ or my twocents to some two-bit politician...

[CarlosV]

Carlos, today is Saturday...NOT Sunday. lol

I know I know but i thought he meant that because they were going to test the cranes on Sunday nothing would be erected until then..... :rolleyes:

[WTCman7301]

this is crazy they are raising the steel column again!!!! :koko: :) and put it down again... LOL

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7183844550_0701a210f3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183844550/)
DSC_0443 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/7183844550/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

WTF! This is so funny.

[NewYorkDominates]

Steelception!!!!!!

[Roadcruiser1]

Somewhat off topic, but is the US Steel Building designed that way?

In any event, I guess One WTC will still look incredible whether it be with the awesome spire or uninspiring antenna. I still want it to be constructed with the previously designed spire tho for all reasons mentioned. You bet that I'd contribue something, whether it be $$$ or my twocents to some two-bit politician...

Don't think so.

[meh_cd]

I know I know but i thought he meant that because they were going to test the cranes on Sunday nothing would be erected until then..... :rolleyes:

If the cranes are undergoing inspection, it looks like they are just putting on a show for the inspectors and proving that they can lift columns without difficulty. Also demonstrating their tandem lift setup.

[Domamania]

well enjoy those cranes now cause within a few months from now they wont be there any more. If you think about this the next generation and so on will ask us all about this tower and we will look back in memeory and say, you know we saw it go up.. :) :)

[marshall]

^^^

Well said! It is indeed a rare sight these days to see a super tall building being built, especially one as high-profile as 1WTC...So enjoy it while it lasts! Won't be long before the steel tops out and those cranes vanish! ;)

[Fabb]

Went to the site this afternoon...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6469/p1090653e.jpg

[alan88]

The coverage of floor 101 and 102 is finished, we will see new steel next week,

Correct, erection of 101 & 102 completed today, a productive day. Tomorrow is annual crane inspection. I don't know what they were doing with that column since I am not at site today but 10 trucks of steel for 102M & 103 are scheduled for Monday.

[Otie]

Sunday there are tower crane inspections scheduled, so they will not be erecting steel

alan

wrong!


:haha: He knows what he types, Carlos.