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bunky
Dec 27, 2010, 7:56 PM
Hi Guys,

Would like to share a couple of pics I took today

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5297150937/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5297745800/in/photostream/

NYguy
Dec 27, 2010, 10:19 PM
^ Great shot...

Benjamin Rosamond (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5297745800/sizes/l/in/pool-18964236@N00/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5297745800_63e086916e_z.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5297745800_63e086916e_b.jpg

Bucktown718
Dec 28, 2010, 12:23 AM
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Dave DiCello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/evad310/)

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MadGnome
Dec 28, 2010, 2:49 AM
They should issue everyone walking over the Brooklyn Bridge a can of WD-40.

Obey
Dec 28, 2010, 4:05 AM
That last shot is incredible.

antoine-c
Dec 28, 2010, 7:59 AM
Hi Guys,

Would like to share a couple of pics I took today

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5297150937/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/5297745800/in/photostream/

Nice shots with unusual angles !

GulfArabia
Dec 28, 2010, 10:33 AM
its a skyscraper already :)

NYguy
Dec 28, 2010, 2:39 PM
Something else to look forward to:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/durst_trips_the_lights_fantastic_BPpGXqjYgXJUGjmQwHd06H
Durst trips the lights fantastic on 42nd St.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/12/28/news/photos_stories/bank_of_america--300x450.jpg

The Bank of America Tower is now illuminated at night, shifting from blue to green to gold, thanks to energy-efficient lights from Philips.


By STEVE CUOZZO
December 28, 2010


The City That Never Sleeps has a new reason to stay up at night.

In the past few days, without fanfare, the Durst Organization lit up the previously dark spire atop 1 Bryant Park, aka the Bank of America Tower, at Sixth Avenue and 42nd Street. The ornamental shaft -- rising to 1,200 feet, taller than the Chrysler Building's -- now pulsates from blue to green to gold.

The ever-shifting hues powerfully punctuate 1 BP's "wall of white" facade lighting that turns night to day.

At the same time, the broadcast antenna of developer Douglas Durst's 4 Times Square next door was similarly illuminated in a surprise move, making for a choreographed duet above 42nd Street. Although Durst was known to be planning something fun for the top of 1 BP, he'd kept the work on 4 TS under wraps.

Eventually, Durst told us, he hopes the tower tops will "play off" a proposed illuminated spire at 1 World Trade Center downtown, where he's partnering with the Port Authority. The 1 WTC shaft will reach to a symbolic 1,776 feet above ground.

Durst's $3.5 million Midtown lighting scheme was created by Cline Bettridge Bernstein Lighting Design and installed during the course of a year by Fred Geller Electrical. The spires are lit from dusk to midnight.

NYguy
Dec 28, 2010, 2:58 PM
granloman (http://www.flickr.com/photos/granolaman/5299049718/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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OneWorldTradeCenter
Dec 28, 2010, 3:15 PM
Shows the scale of the building and the lobby:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5041/5297150937_7a86c20a85_b.jpg


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=930

NYguy
Dec 28, 2010, 3:43 PM
Cam shot from today...

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1057043-T800600.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1057043.jpg

NYC4Life
Dec 28, 2010, 8:37 PM
This is going to be one incredibly reflective tower as already seen by the installed panels.

sterlippo1
Dec 28, 2010, 8:46 PM
This is going to be one incredibly reflective tower as already seen by the installed panels.

i know it.............they look almost like a big flat screen TV with the reflection

HyperPower
Dec 28, 2010, 9:04 PM
How tall is the tower right now?...I'm guessing around 180-190 meters. If it's halfway done with 54 floors complete it would be 210 meters, but it seems way shorter than 7 WTC (228.6) at the moment.

Zensteeldude
Dec 28, 2010, 11:51 PM
52 floors is half of 104 floors but it is no where near half of 1,368'. This Tower is not metric but I will be glad to convert for our friends who do not live in the US. (One of the only countries in the world who do not use the metric system.)

The 52nd floor is 641' 10" or 195 meters. (Current top of steel.)

The Tower will be 416.966 meters to the top of the parapet. The 104th floor is 1,313' 10" or 400.3 meters.

I have several programs with Imperial to metric converters but here is a link to a good one online. (It goes both ways, AC DC, lol.)
http://www.worldwidemetric.com/measurements.html

All of this is made more difficult by the PA system of elevation, I have to subtract 311' 2" from what ever is shown on the prints. (The elevation of the finished Lobby floor.)

Tumbleweed_Tx
Dec 29, 2010, 4:18 AM
Cam shot from today...

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1057043-T800600.jpg





Nice!
<ctrl>b.. new background

animatedmartian
Dec 29, 2010, 4:31 AM
Totally loving the way the light shines off that steel. I'd be more worried about being blinded by the building rather than the snow!

JSsocal
Dec 29, 2010, 4:45 AM
^^^I'm thinking its a built in snow melting death ray:D

Plokoon11
Dec 29, 2010, 8:41 PM
Looking at the wtc7 cam view, looks like we will have steel very soon.
*Insert jaws music* Watch out WTC7!

sw5710
Dec 29, 2010, 9:07 PM
[QUOTE=Zensteeldude;5107460]52 floors is half of 104 floors but it is no where near half of 1,368'. This Tower is not metric but I will be glad to convert for our friends who do not live in the US. (One of the only countries in the world who do not use the metric system.)

The 52nd floor is 641' 10" or 195 meters. (Current top of steel.)

The Tower will be 416.966 meters to the top of the parapet. The 104th floor is 1,313' 10" or 400.3 meters.

I have several programs with Imperial to metric converters but here is a link to a good one online. (It goes both ways, AC DC, lol.)
http://www.worldwidemetric.com/measurements.html

All of this is made more difficult by the PA system of elevation, I have to subtract 311' 2" from what ever is shown on the prints. (The elevation of the finished Lobby floor.)[/QUOTE

Is the 52nd floor 613' or 641' above the lobby. I thought floor 50 was 586'

Zapatan
Dec 29, 2010, 10:28 PM
52 floors is half of 104 floors but it is no where near half of 1,368'. This Tower is not metric but I will be glad to convert for our friends who do not live in the US. (One of the only countries in the world who do not use the metric system.)

The 52nd floor is 641' 10" or 195 meters. (Current top of steel.)

The Tower will be 416.966 meters to the top of the parapet. The 104th floor is 1,313' 10" or 400.3 meters.

I have several programs with Imperial to metric converters but here is a link to a good one online. (It goes both ways, AC DC, lol.)
http://www.worldwidemetric.com/measurements.html

All of this is made more difficult by the PA system of elevation, I have to subtract 311' 2" from what ever is shown on the prints. (The elevation of the finished Lobby floor.)



I always thought there was a 105th floor that was 1335' or something like that...

maybe just my imagination:frog:

Zensteeldude
Dec 30, 2010, 2:42 AM
Oppppssss the 52nd floor is 613' 4".


The 105th floor is the roof, 1,334' 8".

sw5710
Dec 30, 2010, 3:17 AM
Top of steel now is 618'

MadGnome
Dec 30, 2010, 12:49 PM
Too bad they're not building 3 floors at a time instead of 2. That way, it would be rising exactly 40' a shot and save a lot of math.

NYguy
Dec 30, 2010, 2:40 PM
Cam shot from today...

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1059664-T800600.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1059664.jpg

OneWorldTradeCenter
Dec 30, 2010, 3:40 PM
Some shots, the last one appears strange but cool:

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Corner.jpg

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/WTC2.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5048/5305254306_e7a304aa54_b.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=931

antoine-c
Dec 30, 2010, 4:20 PM
http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Corner.jpg



Really nice similitude between 7 & 1 WTC glass !
Those two will be magnificient completed.

Zensteeldude
Dec 30, 2010, 7:34 PM
Too bad they're not building 3 floors at a time instead of 2. That way, it would be rising exactly 40' a shot and save a lot of math.

I couldn't agree more. It would also reduce the "drop off" (waste, scrap). Forty foot lengths are a standard in the US. I strongly suspect they are using 60 footers (also a standard length) and are getting two 26' 4" columns out of each one, but that still leaves 7' 4" of drop off.

PS: A standard length beam from the mill is usually an inch or two over so there would be enough length for milling the ends. (Column ends are milled to within a few thousandths of an inch of square to ensure full bearing.)

NYguy
Dec 30, 2010, 7:44 PM
shanestroud (http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanestroud/5297911834/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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2-TOWERS
Dec 30, 2010, 8:30 PM
moving along great...so much has been done since i was there 2 weeks ago......and its nice to finally not see the ugly blue path station...the new arches are almost done....

STR
Dec 30, 2010, 10:01 PM
Requires Quicktime, the actual, invasive Apple version. WMP, or QT Alternative won't work.

It's still worth it. I told you the view from the top is great.
http://www.mediafire.com/?q36l95v8bul3b8s

gttx
Dec 31, 2010, 12:54 AM
Requires Quicktime, the actual, invasive Apple version. WMP, or QT Alternative won't work.

It's still worth it. I told you the view from the top is great.
http://www.mediafire.com/?q36l95v8bul3b8s

Wow, bravo!

As far as I can tell, the observer is stationary but can look in any direction. Is it possible to do another view from the northern edge of the building - ie, looking towards Midtown?

Fantastic work, though.

STR
Dec 31, 2010, 2:23 AM
Yep. It's basically a 360x360 panable panorama.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2117/demoqj.jpg

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Dec 31, 2010, 4:04 AM
Yep. It's basically a 360x360 panable panorama.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2117/demoqj.jpg

your a liar STR, these arnt rendering made by you at all! you have a time machine and these are pictures you've taken from the future!

STR
Dec 31, 2010, 6:34 AM
This one...this is probably going to be THE point to shot pictures of the whole center.
http://www.mediafire.com/?8wli6i7xny1gcwr

Roadcruiser1
Dec 31, 2010, 3:06 PM
Your renderings are awesome STR why didn't you become an architect?. Or are you one?. Maybe you are a civil engineering?. Whatever your renderings are awesome.

2-TOWERS
Jan 1, 2011, 2:49 AM
Happy New Year Everyone And Our 2011 Will Be Amazing With Our Wtc Complex Being Built !!!!!!! Happy And Healthy Everyone Especially To Zen And Ny Guy Who Give Us So Much Info Here

OneWorldTradeCenter
Jan 1, 2011, 3:18 PM
Some recent images:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5284/5307740500_419c02fc66_b.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8529/wtc226c.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4876/wtc227c.jpg


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=932

J.M.
Jan 1, 2011, 4:46 PM
I dislike the silver like trim along the window and corners. It seems visually cheap, but then again, a pre-judgement, thus I might change my opinion when the building is near complete.

CoolCzech
Jan 1, 2011, 5:45 PM
I dislike the silver like trim along the window and corners. It seems visually cheap, but then again, a pre-judgement, thus I might change my opinion when the building is near complete.

I think the point is to emphasize the basic geometry of the chamfered shape. I'm not sure having all the edges just glass would look any "richer." The Hearst tower has similar edging - a lot more of it, actually - and I think it's fair to say it looks fine.

37TimPPG
Jan 1, 2011, 9:53 PM
I get chills everytime I visit this site and see how far along in construction this magnificent tower is. I cannot wait until the tower is complete and New York City once again takes its (rightful) place as home of the tallest building in the United States of America.

Personally, (and this is my view only) I think 1WTC is going to be an architectural masterpiece along the lines of the Chrysler building.:D

brian.odonnell20
Jan 2, 2011, 4:50 PM
I get chills everytime I visit this site and see how far along in construction this magnificent tower is. I cannot wait until the tower is complete and New York City once again takes its (rightful) place as home of the tallest building in the United States of America.

Personally, (and this is my view only) I think 1WTC is going to be an architectural masterpiece along the lines of the Chrysler building.:D

i think the freedom tower looks pretty good, but i wouldn't put it anywhere close to the likes of the Chrysler building or the Empire State building for that matter. The best architecture today simply cannot not touch the best art deco. Think about it, despite the quality of the glass, it really isn't that interesting of a design, and is not minimalist enough to be excused as such, like 4wtc. I'm not saying it won't look really good, but when you talk about the best, another one may never come along in the ranks of chrysler or empire state.

patriotizzy
Jan 2, 2011, 5:43 PM
i think the freedom tower looks pretty good, but i wouldn't put it anywhere close to the likes of the Chrysler building or the Empire State building for that matter. The best architecture today simply cannot not touch the best art deco. Think about it, despite the quality of the glass, it really isn't that interesting of a design, and is not minimalist enough to be excused as such, like 4wtc. I'm not saying it won't look really good, but when you talk about the best, another one may never come along in the ranks of chrysler or empire state.

Sure, architecture isn't what it used to be. We all can agree with that. However, 1WTC, in my personal opinion, will look so beautiful and magnificent that all those intricate designs you see in older architecture won't matter much. Again, this is my opinion.

Dac150
Jan 2, 2011, 8:41 PM
It will look appropriate for what it is folks. The purposes of this building are to fill voids in both the skyline and Downtown office space. It will be an attractive modern building that will efficiently and rightfully fill its purposes.

NYguy
Jan 2, 2011, 9:48 PM
Great to be back, can't wait to get my own photos...

coolz0r (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coolz0r/5310971730/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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CSABA8
Jan 2, 2011, 10:16 PM
Great to be back, can't wait to get my own photos...



We waiting ! :)

Plokoon11
Jan 2, 2011, 10:57 PM
Wow the WTC so far is really starting to creep up.

jigglysquishy
Jan 2, 2011, 11:01 PM
Fifth row of windows!

spwelan
Jan 3, 2011, 12:25 AM
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NYCLuver
Jan 3, 2011, 4:06 AM
January 2nd, 2011

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http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/IMG_2401.jpg

NYguy
Jan 3, 2011, 3:21 PM
^ Thanks.

A cam shot from today, on a beautiful morning...

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1066479-T800600.jpg



http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1066479.jpg

searstower17
Jan 3, 2011, 8:33 PM
I used to think this was the ugliest new building design. The renders definitely did not do the building's beauty justice. That glass is truly amazing and I can't wait until it's finished!

Dac150
Jan 3, 2011, 8:36 PM
Glad to see they’re getting a routine going again with the façade installment. To echo to ongoing comments, the glass looks fantastic.

detroitmetro101
Jan 3, 2011, 8:41 PM
this construction site is the most beautiful thing i have ever seen. one quastion for those of you in the ny area, do you thing the recent fast pace of construction in the area is due to the 10 year anniversery of 9/11, or is it that they have cleared all the legal and financial aspects and now all thats left is the constraction.

NYguy
Jan 3, 2011, 10:31 PM
one quastion for those of you in the ny area, do you thing the recent fast pace of construction in the area is due to the 10 year anniversery of 9/11, or is it that they have cleared all the legal and financial aspects and now all thats left is the constraction.

As far as this building goes, it's just the phase that this tower is in. Generally, once floors start rising, - residential or office - the pace is a lot quicker.


http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/11472?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AN_blog+%28A%2FN+Blog%29
World Trade Center Continues Upward Despite Blizzard

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/WorldTrade_20101230_WTC3.jpg

12.30.10 | Tom Stoelker

[ As the World Trade Center continues its ascent, The Architect's Newspaper will be checking in each week (http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/tag/wtc-weekly-photos) for signs of progress at one of the country's most exciting construction sites. ]

The blizzard did little to deter holiday crowds from flocking to the World Trade Center this week. With few office workers in town, hundreds of tourists crushed onto the slushy sidewalks of Church Street. From behind St. Paul’s Chapel, a cacophony of languages could be heard. Construction moved forward with few signs of delay or disruption from this week’s snow and by Wednesday afternoon the site was humming as usual.


http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/WorldTrade_20101230_Window-500x324.jpg

Workers install a window onto the western side of the building.

Zapatan
Jan 3, 2011, 10:43 PM
I used to think this was the ugliest new building design. The renders definitely did not do the building's beauty justice. That glass is truly amazing and I can't wait until it's finished!

Agreed, most renderings make this building look terrible, especially with the alternative top (communications ring) and for the other towers as well, STR's renderings are the only ones that make this complex look good, like real good... And I bet it will look real good once completed aswell.

gramsjdg
Jan 3, 2011, 11:00 PM
Question: If the roof (parapet) is actually 1373 ft instead of 1368 ft as measured from (which?) entrance, does that mean the spire will be 1781 ft?

NYguy
Jan 3, 2011, 11:37 PM
Question: If the roof (parapet) is actually 1373 ft instead of 1368 ft as measured from (which?) entrance, does that mean the spire will be 1781 ft?

No. The PA has stated that the spire will be 1,776 ft and when it's built I'm sure it will be.


Nate Hudson (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hudsonphotos/5317732833/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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Structures:NYC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/structures-nyc-photos/5320509187/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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LOOMingTOWER
Jan 4, 2011, 9:22 AM
January 2nd, 2011


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/IMG_2401.jpg


Shouldn't the panes of glass on the edge be flush with the angle of the trim? Looks like a design flaw (or in any case, weird) where the joints fall at a random place in respect to the layer above.

Remy_Bork
Jan 4, 2011, 11:19 AM
Do you mean the seams between the glass panes not lining up with the seams in the trim? They might look like they're not lining up because the photo is taken at a low angle and the trim is angled inward, giving the illusion that the seams are not aligned. I think if you look closer, you will find that everything lines up nicely.

Alliance
Jan 4, 2011, 2:42 PM
Shouldn't the panes of glass on the edge be flush with the angle of the trim? Looks like a design flaw (or in any case, weird) where the joints fall at a random place in respect to the layer above.

The glass sits on top of the trim. Its not a design flaw.

The quality of the glass though....that most certainly is. What happened to the great mock-up glass we had?

OneWorldTradeCenter
Jan 4, 2011, 3:04 PM
At the 62nd floor it will pass 7 WTC.

NYguy
Jan 4, 2011, 3:32 PM
DSTS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tsmith591/5323056812/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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NYguy
Jan 4, 2011, 3:36 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/if_state_bails_wtc_scores_hsHEF9tRXHYXwN2MVQOAeN

If state bails, 1 WTC scores

By STEVE CUOZZO
January 4, 2011

All indications are that the marketing team for 1 World Trade Center will have nearly 600,000 square feet more to offer prospective tenants -- a rare instance of what's usually bad news for a landlord being good news.

Sources familiar with the Port Authority's fast-rising tower said the likelihood of the state Offices of General Services going through with a long-discussed lease there are increasingly remote.

Insiders cited an "expectation" it won't happen. We'll go farther out on a limb and say it's as dead as the Giants' playoff hopes, which just fell to mathematically zero.

The OGS "lease" was announced three years ago, along with a slightly larger one for the federal General Services Administration. Neither deal has been completed, however.

Now, Condé Nast has a letter of intent for 1 million square feet in the 2.6 million square-foot tower -- which just passed the halfway point and makes an arresting sight, especially to anyone walking west on Fulton Street. Several financial tenants are also kicking the tires.

Too much space leased to government offices automatically cheapens a commercial building's image. The last thing "iconic" 1 WTC needs are government workers hogging more than one-third of its floors at subsidized rents higher than public entities should be paying, but still far below market.

The PA, its partner Douglas Durst, and the leasing agent, Cushman & Wakefield's Tara Stacom, all declined to comment. An e-mail to Gov. Andrew Cuomo's spokesman, Josh Vlasto, was not returned.

The federal lease is still on the table, sources said. And the OGS lease is not formally dead. But a new governor committed to saving the state from fiscal collapse is not likely to look kindly on expensively relocating an agency whose tasks include providing state employees with parking spaces.

The Condé Nast talks have changed the dynamics of leasing at 1 WTC. The OGS would have moved into floors at the bottom of the tower. But Condé now wants the floors -- meaning the bureaucrats would have to go higher, where the rent would be higher too.

wong21fr
Jan 4, 2011, 3:45 PM
The glass sits on top of the trim. Its not a design flaw.

The quality of the glass though....that most certainly is. What happened to the great mock-up glass we had?

Take a picture from fifty feet away at eye level of the glass and you'll get your "great mock-up glass". It's the same glass, it's the distance from which it's photographed that is showing an apparent distortion.

sw5710
Jan 4, 2011, 5:06 PM
The trim has angles to it. It turns inward near the glass. But if you look at it from the same height it is level. Is the quality of the glass a design flaw? I see wavy reflections in every glass building in NY and every other city ive gone to!

meh_cd
Jan 4, 2011, 5:58 PM
The glass sits on top of the trim. Its not a design flaw.

The quality of the glass though....that most certainly is. What happened to the great mock-up glass we had?

The mock-up picture was taken relatively close up in the California sun at an angle that was nearly perpendicular to the glass. We have no other frame of reference for the mockup other than close objects reflect with little aberration, which you also find on the "real" glass.

Oops, someone kind of covered this already. The point still stands. I suspect that the building will look radically different depending on the season and the location of the sun in the sky.

Kevin Scott Koepke
Jan 4, 2011, 6:05 PM
[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5009/5323393403_20d60a7da6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5323393403/)
lower manhattan at dawn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5323393403/) by kevin s koepke (back to college i go) (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr [img]

Lecom
Jan 4, 2011, 6:20 PM
At the 62nd floor it will pass 7 WTC.

Given that most nearby buildings are pretty much exactly the same height at best, and the Downtown skyline level tops off around 700-800 feet for the most part, passing 7WTC would pretty much mean breaking above the Downtown plateau, something we haven't seen at the WTC site in almost exactly 10 years.

Lecom
Jan 4, 2011, 6:23 PM
[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5009/5323393403_20d60a7da6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5323393403/)
lower manhattan at dawn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/5323393403/) by kevin s koepke (back to college i go) (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr [img]

The way the dark bulk of AT&T Long Lines Building looms to the right in the photo, I had to strain for a while to figure out why I'm seeing an obvious ghost of 130 Liberty, with the same shape, height, location and abandoned look.

Dac150
Jan 4, 2011, 7:27 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/if_state_bails_wtc_scores_hsHEF9tRXHYXwN2MVQOAeN

If state bails, 1 WTC scores

By STEVE CUOZZO
January 4, 2011

Glad to hear this; I think as much space within these buildings should be open to private sector businesses as possible. It also sounds like there is a great deal of interest from private sector businesses to lease space within this building. I give a lot of credit to Conde for leading this charge, and in a big way (1 msf).

LOOMingTOWER
Jan 4, 2011, 8:35 PM
Do you mean the seams between the glass panes not lining up with the seams in the trim? They might look like they're not lining up because the photo is taken at a low angle and the trim is angled inward, giving the illusion that the seams are not aligned. I think if you look closer, you will find that everything lines up nicely.

Sorry if I was unclear, I meant where the panes of glass are cut out with a diagonal to meet the trim. The way the joint of the edges of the panes meet the glass above them as circled here looks awkward.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q7GC4_AKzis/TSOC12GcwWI/AAAAAAAAAAY/tCLjmdNiBCI/s1600/IMG_2401+copy.jpg

Dac150
Jan 4, 2011, 8:39 PM
I noticed that as well when they were first installed and opted to just overlook it as it is a minor detail. Unless you go out of your way to notice it, it’s not something that jumps out at you, especially from the street.

Remy_Bork
Jan 4, 2011, 8:51 PM
Oh okay, I don't like that very much either. It seems like they could have just placed another seam in there and it would have looked better.

2-TOWERS
Jan 4, 2011, 9:08 PM
Same here I thought another seem could have been there and we will see the same thing as the shape continues Also I thought where the edge is they put a seem and I think it could have looked better a one piece

sask1982
Jan 4, 2011, 9:17 PM
^^ Ppl it's definitely because that angle is looking up at the building. If you were looking straight on they would line up perfectly i bet.

sterlippo1
Jan 4, 2011, 9:23 PM
The way the dark bulk of AT&T Long Lines Building looms to the right in the photo, I had to strain for a while to figure out why I'm seeing an obvious ghost of 130 Liberty, with the same shape, height, location and abandoned look.

that's interesting.....AT&T LLB, aka, The Building With No Windows:slob: :shrug:

rjb001
Jan 4, 2011, 9:25 PM
It actually looks like the gray part that is attached to the glass ends where the seam behind it is and then the glass starts above it. I would also rather it be a defining border though, instead of just going from the gray to blue.

uaarkson
Jan 4, 2011, 10:04 PM
^^ Ppl it's definitely because that angle is looking up at the building. If you were looking straight on they would line up perfectly i bet.

Yep.

Get some three-dimensional cognizance, people.

philvia
Jan 4, 2011, 10:29 PM
^^ Ppl it's definitely because that angle is looking up at the building. If you were looking straight on they would line up perfectly i bet.

Yep.

Get some three-dimensional cognizance, people.


the conversation is about the joints of the glass, not the big silver trim.


i agree with everyone else, it looks awkward. not only the two areas circled, but the glass above on the angle. i'm not sure why that pane of glass is in two pieces rather than one.

STR
Jan 4, 2011, 10:57 PM
i agree with everyone else, it looks awkward. not only the two areas circled, but the glass above on the angle. i'm not sure why that pane of glass is in two pieces rather than one.

No it isn't. I've been showing the same thing for 2 months and nobody even noticed.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7955/n026l.jpg

NYguy
Jan 4, 2011, 10:59 PM
Glad to hear this; I think as much space within these buildings should be open to private sector businesses as possible. It also sounds like there is a great deal of interest from private sector businesses to lease space within this building. I give a lot of credit to Conde for leading this charge, and in a big way (1 msf).

I agree with that. The Durst Organization has a lot of confidene in this tower, as it should. The upper floors of the tower will be kept off the market for now because they want to lease those floors for what they will go for when things pick up.

NYguy
Jan 4, 2011, 11:02 PM
YoungAdventure (http://www.flickr.com/photos/youngadventure/5323273044/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5005/5323273044_6a14845d8d_b.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5323258652_d2c7f9106b_b.jpg



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5010/5323256552_036bc3e035_b.jpg

Obey
Jan 4, 2011, 11:26 PM
Well, this is going to be the year when we see this baby turn into a giant.

Zensteeldude
Jan 5, 2011, 12:04 AM
No it isn't. I've been showing the same thing for 2 months and nobody even noticed.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7955/n026l.jpg

I don't know if it's going to make you feel any better or not STR, but I noticed. I think I said this before, but I will repeat myself.

STR's renderings are the best most accurate rendering of this tower until the real thing is finished !

Personally I think all the folks complaining about the glass and the curtain wall in general are just ignorant about such things.

I have been working in construction for over 30 years and this tower is going to be beautiful

(STR I know some people, they do things to people, for a price of course, I'll pick up the tab.)
KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, I have a full set of drawings for Tower One. No, you can't have any.

Yes, I meant to repost STR's rendering, it's &@^@#$^ beautiful.

OK, I am just going to say it, I know more about this tower than anyone on this forum and STR has my unabridged endorsement and support.

Dac150
Jan 5, 2011, 12:22 AM
As that rendering above demonstrates, you really have to go out of your way to notice it. And even having already known about it, I still had difficulty immediately noticing it in that rendering.

patriotizzy
Jan 5, 2011, 12:47 AM
As that rendering above demonstrates, you really have to go out of your way to notice it. And even having already known about it, I still had difficulty immediately noticing it in that rendering.

I don't even know what all the fuzz is about. I see nothing wrong with the facade or glass, or whatever it was people were talking about...

Zensteeldude
Jan 5, 2011, 12:52 AM
Nit pickers.

Dac150
Jan 5, 2011, 1:03 AM
Nit pickers.

My thought exactly. :yes:

NYCLuver
Jan 5, 2011, 3:47 AM
January 4th, 2011

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Don098
Jan 5, 2011, 4:23 AM
Yep.

Get some three-dimensional cognizance, people.

Guys, that will be 100% invisible from street level. Once we move about four more floors higher, nearly no one will ever photograph that exact spot again. In other words, who the heck cares? Sheesh!

The-T
Jan 5, 2011, 9:57 AM
wow, these white engles are great under the sinshine, i guess its getting seems to old WTC :D

LOOMingTOWER
Jan 5, 2011, 5:52 PM
Nit pickers.

Why is criticism of these buildings or dissenting opinions frowned upon in this forum? Nitpickers, really? Is this supposed to be a cheerleading website for tall buildings or an informative and accessible place to discuss architecture? (I'd prefer both)

STR's renderings are indeed incredible and I love looking at them too -- I hadn't noticed how the seams of the glass along the edge of the tower line up until the new closeups photos of the construction. In the totality of the facade maybe the seams don't look as awkward, but then again as Charles Eames said, “The details are not the details. They make the design.”

gramsjdg
Jan 5, 2011, 6:27 PM
Finally! I thought the next two floors would never start- must have been the snowstorm. :yes:

The new rendering from STR rocks! :worship:

BostonBuild
Jan 5, 2011, 6:28 PM
:previous:

Love that render capture, STR. 1 WTC looks spectacular from that angle and you can clearly see the descending height relationship from 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 WTC. Never noticed the different height step outs on the North and South sides of 3 WTC until your renders. Can't wait to be able to look up at the real towers from that angle. :tup:

sw5710
Jan 5, 2011, 6:34 PM
Is this about the vertical seam on the 3rd office floor between the glass and how it ends there and dosn't go to a point on the 4th office floor. And also how the horizontal lines go from glass to trim to glass and don't appear to be a straight line. On to something else now 641' floor 54

Biff
Jan 5, 2011, 6:36 PM
I'm not sure what you would expect the designer or glass manufacturer to do. It's and angle. At some point and time (and it will repeat again all the way up the building) you are either going to have a seam or a larger pane of glass. You can only make a sliver of glazing so small and be able to securely attach it to the building.

BostonBuild
Jan 5, 2011, 6:42 PM
Yes, I see what you mean, sw5710, it looks like this will happen at 6 and 7, 9 and 10, 12 and 13 and so on... It will probably look less awkward in the entire context. Plus from a distance and with sun reflecting off the stainless steel as in the 2nd to last photo in NYCLuver's post above you can barely notice.

Domamania
Jan 5, 2011, 6:46 PM
I was wondering if anyone can post the current height of tower1v2 and and put the old twins in the same picture to comapre the progress of how tall this tower is right now to the old twins, i would really appreciate it cause it would anwer so many question for me about the new tower thats on the rise. Thank you.

sw5710
Jan 5, 2011, 6:56 PM
STRs post shows how it will look. And the scale model that was built at least 1 year ago probly several was 30or 40' tall. It had the same lines ending the same way.