SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[HurricaneHugo]

Didn't the 747s have to be like at half capacity though?

[Trvlr]

Didn't the 747s have to be like at half capacity though?

Correct, they couldn't be fully loaded with fuel, passengers and cargo. Jet fuel is actually a big part of an aircraft's overall payload, so the fact that a 747 needs to be lighter for takeoff from Lindbergh acts as a double range limiter.

[OBomb]

Hawaiian Airlines does not have 777s in its fleet. As it stands, Hawaiian has 767-300s, 717s, and they have just started taking delivery of Airbus A330s which have not flown to San Diego. Hawaiian flies 767-300s between San Diego and the islands.

[dl3000]

Hawaiian Airlines does not have 777s in its fleet. As it stands, Hawaiian has 767-300s, 717s, and they have just started taking delivery of Airbus A330s which have not flown to San Diego. Hawaiian flies 767-300s between San Diego and the islands.

I stand corrected, I guess the one I was in was a refurbed/newer 767.

And like Trvlr said, 747s flew light through San Diego because they came from/went to Phoenix where they fully loaded and went on to London.

[HurricaneHugo]

Public Vote for Chargers Stadium not required

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_871309b0-d338-11df-9ec1-001cc4c03286.html

"A public vote for a new downtown Chargers stadium isn't required if the city of San Diego uses only redevelopment dollars, City Attorney Jan Goldsmith told me today."

Thats is HUGE news!

[Derek]

Thank goodness.

[voice of reason]

Most lefties arent believers in democratic principles. Voting-how unsophisticated.

[kpexpress]

Most lefties arent believers in democratic principles. Voting-how unsophisticated.

Oh it feels great to be back in SD.

[dl3000]

Most lefties arent believers in democratic principles. Voting-how unsophisticated.

You are ridiculous. I bet you less than 10% of the Chargers leadership are "lefties." Such the troll.

[kpexpress]

Good news, looks like the city isn't going to wait around for Pinnacle to develop the Rose Park on 13th Street between Island Ave and J Street. Bad news (in my opinion) they are proposing a fence to be built around the park (supposed to be temporary, but luckily paid for by the developer).

Here are the renderings of the fence. What are your thoughts on this? Yeah yeah yeah, who cares? It's just a fence. But it's a big deal and could effect the success of the park and how it is used. For obvious reasons they are building the fence to keep the homeless from sleeping in the park after hours, but how welcoming is a fence around a city park?

What are your thoughts on this?

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn60/kpexpress42/RoseParkFence.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

They could at least design the fence differently.

I agree with the fence though

[Derek]

They could at least design the fence differently.

I agree with the fence though



x2. Looks like a prison.

[voice of reason]

You are ridiculous. I bet you less than 10% of the Chargers leadership are "lefties." Such the troll.

What a stupid comment. You obviously didnt read the posts prior. Context is everything, little boy.

[HurricaneHugo]

More good news for the Charger Stadium.

The South Bay Power Plant has been OK'd for demolition.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/16/south-bay-power-plant-gets-demolition-ok/

So if DT falls through there's the CV waterfront. :)

[Derek]

More good news for the Charger Stadium.

The South Bay Power Plant has been OK'd for demolition.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/oct/16/south-bay-power-plant-gets-demolition-ok/

So if DT falls through there's the CV waterfront. :)




I still think I'd rather see it in Chula Vista, simply because they'd have a little bit more to work with. But I don't really care at this point. :P

[dl3000]

What a stupid comment. You obviously didnt read the posts prior. Context is everything, little boy.

I don't see anything wrong with my previous comment or the fact that Jan Goldsmith is a Republican, not a "leftie" and was the one who made the interpretation to begin with. Also, Nathan Fletcher, author of the deal, Republican as well. By the way, don't call people "little boys" or make contentious comments if you don't think you're a troll. I honestly don't understand what you are doing here.

[SDfan]

Good news, looks like the city isn't going to wait around for Pinnacle to develop the Rose Park on 13th Street between Island Ave and J Street. Bad news (in my opinion) they are proposing a fence to be built around the park (supposed to be temporary, but luckily paid for by the developer).

Here are the renderings of the fence. What are your thoughts on this? Yeah yeah yeah, who cares? It's just a fence. But it's a big deal and could effect the success of the park and how it is used. For obvious reasons they are building the fence to keep the homeless from sleeping in the park after hours, but how welcoming is a fence around a city park?

What are your thoughts on this?

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn60/kpexpress42/RoseParkFence.jpg


Hmmm.

I approve. The park requires a fence for now, at least until the area develops into a more residential-oriented center. I'd rather it not be destroyed by the homeless... (Horton Square...cough cough).

[kpexpress]

Anyone planning on attending tomorrows City Council meeting to share thoughts and opinions about the location of the Tent?

[HurricaneHugo]

I always love getting on the 805 on ramp from 43st, or should I say the 252. :D

http://www.gbcnet.com/roads/hwy-252.html

[eburress]

I always love getting on the 805 on ramp from 43st, or should I say the 252. :D

http://www.gbcnet.com/roads/hwy-252.html

That's interesting. It looks like Hwy 252's proposed intersection with I-5 was where the 15 currently connects with the 5. So had Hwy 252 been built, it would either have been a massive, three-highway interchange or I-15 would have gone elsewhere.

Edit-> It looks like the "Exist Rte 103" is today's 15, so this would have had to be a big-arse three-highway interchange between the 15, 5, and 252!

[kpexpress]

Looks like council approved Civic Concourse Golden Hall as the site for this years winter homeless shelter, pending the fiscal impacts of breaching the contracts the city already has in place with other companies and agencies.

I went to the meetings this week, and shared my view on the issue to the council. At times it felt like a mix of The People's Court and Jerry Springer. What a joke. When is this city going to get it's act together and work together toward a viable PERMANENT solution to the problem?

[HurricaneHugo]

I love looking up old maps of San Diego and seeing how much the topography has changed!

http://www.laplayatrail.org/images/La-Playa-Trail.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

http://www.laplayatrail.org/images/Point-Loma-1876.jpg

[SDfan]

Seeing these pictures makes me want to go to Presidio Park to the Historical Society Museum...

I love that park.

[kpexpress]

From the same developer of Allegro Tower (bright red stip of LED lighting that glows up and down the tower) a new tower is being proposed across the street from Allegro.....Arial Suites is going under design review (I guess redesign review since the design has changed significantly).

What are your thoughts?

http://www.ccdc.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2010/Item_4_Ariel_Suites.pdf

[eburress]

That seems like a nice looking building. Given the circumstances (economy, housing market, etc), I would be surprised if it actually got off the ground anytime soon though.

[Derek]

It's a good looking building...

[spoonman]

pretty plain, but not ugly and it does fit the "neighborhood"

[SDfan]

I like it. Too bad its going to block the whales...

[HurricaneHugo]

From the same developer of Allegro Tower (bright red stip of LED lighting that glows up and down the tower) a new tower is being proposed across the street from Allegro.....Arial Suites is going under design review (I guess redesign review since the design has changed significantly).

What are your thoughts?

http://www.ccdc.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2010/Item_4_Ariel_Suites.pdf

It looks pretty nice! :)

[HurricaneHugo]

I like it. Too bad its going to block the whales...

F this building then. :hell:

[bmfarley]

From the same developer of Allegro Tower (bright red stip of LED lighting that glows up and down the tower) a new tower is being proposed across the street from Allegro.....Arial Suites is going under design review (I guess redesign review since the design has changed significantly).

What are your thoughts?

http://www.ccdc.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2010/Item_4_Ariel_Suites.pdf

Long ago, I use to live one block from the proposed building. I don't think it looks bad, perhaps impressive. Only curious thing is the fin on top... it appears to be too brick-like for my tastes.

[Derek]

F this building then. :hell:



I'll take the building over a surface parking lot even if it covered up the whales. :P


I do like how the new building appears to have a whale painted one side to make up for it. :P

[SDfan]

Long ago, I use to live one block from the proposed building. I don't think it looks bad, perhaps impressive. Only curious thing is the fin on top... it appears to be too brick-like for my tastes.

Actually the brick work is what attracted my eyes the most. I love it! haha.

Did anyone else catch in the report that the neon-green outline on the fin and up and down the side of the building is up for debate and that the developer is still under violation for the neon-red line on Allegro (their other project)? :haha:

I also found it interesting that the building seems to be facing east and not west, like most other projects. It would be nice to see a fin not facing the bay for once, although it will look a bit odd when compared to the other towers (Sapphire, Bayside, Grande, etc.).

[Derek]

What's the light in violation of? It adds some nice color to the skyline...

[SDfan]

Horton Plaza Make-Over

...not what I was expecting...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/03/horton-plaza-due-radical-makeover/

[Urbanize_It]

Does anyone else find it interesting that they are under review to make the building larger… much larger. Moves like this, and the Equity purchase of Vantage Pointe, make me think that the downtown cycle could be on an upswing… maybe?

[Derek]

I definitely like that park idea...

[HurricaneHugo]

I like the idea but it better not look like the rendering!

I remember when they planned an office/residential tower at the Sam Goody building. :(

Also when they planned the Intercontinental Hotel tower at 400ft at the very small surface parking lot at the south end. :(

Maybe add a couple of small shops/restaurants and make the south portion of the space a dining area?

[bmfarley]

Horton Plaza Make-Over

...not what I was expecting...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/03/horton-plaza-due-radical-makeover/
I would love to see the Trolley put underground along Broadway and have a station at this location... complete with portal entrance to station at this park.

Just luv dreamin!

[HurricaneHugo]

I would love to see the Trolley put underground along Broadway and have a station at this location... complete with portal entrance to station at this park.

Just luv dreamin!

And it's also the start of the brand new yellow line that goes up Park blvd/El Cajon Blvd!

[S.DviaPhilly]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/pedbridge.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/pedbridge2.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/pedbridge3.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/pedbridge4.jpg

[SD_Phil]

^Not the most flattering shots. I'm hoping they aren't done cleaning and painting the bridge yet, looks quite grimey.

[SDCAL]

What a stupid comment. You obviously didnt read the posts prior. Context is everything, little boy.

What a tool you are. Go troll somewhere else with your lame political rants, that is not what this board is for. You will be reported if you continue your abuse on here.

[kpexpress]

Actually the brick work is what attracted my eyes the most. I love it! haha.

Did anyone else catch in the report that the neon-green outline on the fin and up and down the side of the building is up for debate and that the developer is still under violation for the neon-red line on Allegro (their other project)? :haha:

I also found it interesting that the building seems to be facing east and not west, like most other projects. It would be nice to see a fin not facing the bay for once, although it will look a bit odd when compared to the other towers (Sapphire, Bayside, Grande, etc.).

When did this ugly ass fin aesthetic sweep our skyline? I hate all the lame ass fins in the skyline...apart from Pinnacle Museum Tower. it's cheap looking and a worthless excuse of finishing off the top of towers (AVRP is notorious for NOT doing.....cough cough Smart Corner). It doesn't cost a lot to elegantly finish off the tower, couldn't be more than a wasteful fin. I wish the fin on this one was removed all together and accentuate the contemporary roof line (the slightly inverted V). I think that would be a better option and cost less.

Props to the green roofs. Not a fan of the neon green light scheme. Allegro works...sort of, but I think it's because that tower is so slender and better proportions. The fin on the green one doesn't do much to downplay the already stubby proportions that are not working in It's favor.

Love the materials though. This building has been approved by CCDC real estate committee, and will go before the CCAC Nov 10.

[kpexpress]

Horton Plaza Make-Over

...not what I was expecting...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/03/horton-plaza-due-radical-makeover/

I saw a presentation (unannounced to the public) on the future of Horton Plaza by the Architect. Probably shouldn't be talking about it.

Obviously HP was inward looking on purpose when it was built (context is everything.....right Voice of Reason?)

I think the future of HP is to open the mall up to as many areas surrounding the mall. That means demo-ing some buildings on the site that site around the perimeter and all as many people as possible to flood into the mall from anywhere along the perimeter. Opening up the Broadway side of HP seems like the cheapest way (given the economy) to open the mall up and allow direct site lines to the main entrance. If you read the comments posted by the public in the UT you might throw up in your mouth like I did.

Opening up the North side of the mall will give the city it's yet-to-be-defined center city open space. where does the city gather and protest? This will be THE place. restoring the fountain to it's original state is a great thing too. Now if we can just get the US Grant to restore their courtyard to mirror the fountain....

Many great things are planned for HP, but if any of these (including demo-ing the Post Modernist eye sore on the corner of Broadway and 4Th) better get rolling soon cause the Horton Plaza PAC expires in a few years. Bad timing with the economy.

[tommaso]

I got stuck on a jury so I snapped this shot of the new courthouse from the skywalk between the Hall of Justice and the County Courthouse. It's not significant I know. It's from my iPhone. I was just thinking of you guys. :D


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll120/derekadour/IMG_0025.jpg

Could we have an update of this lovely shot? Thank you :)

[Derek]

Yeah...if my trial was still going on. :P



Actually, anybody could just walk into the courthouse whenever they want...so you could actually see if for yourself if you wanted. (But who would go out of their way to go inside the courthouse?) :D

[SDfan]

When did this ugly ass fin aesthetic sweep our skyline? I hate all the lame ass fins in the skyline...apart from Pinnacle Museum Tower. it's cheap looking and a worthless excuse of finishing off the top of towers (AVRP is notorious for NOT doing.....cough cough Smart Corner). It doesn't cost a lot to elegantly finish off the tower, couldn't be more than a wasteful fin. I wish the fin on this one was removed all together and accentuate the contemporary roof line (the slightly inverted V). I think that would be a better option and cost less.

Props to the green roofs. Not a fan of the neon green light scheme. Allegro works...sort of, but I think it's because that tower is so slender and better proportions. The fin on the green one doesn't do much to downplay the already stubby proportions that are not working in It's favor.

Love the materials though. This building has been approved by CCDC real estate committee, and will go before the CCAC Nov 10.

But the fin makes everything look so hip and cool, its the Vancouver look that everyone wants!

Just Kidding, I am sick of the design as well, but again, at least its in a new direction! I feel like this is very much like the rest of San Diego, small steps towards a brighter(?) future...

And, any other details as to HP's future, or is all locked up KGB-style?

[SDfan]

Oh, and a quick question to whomever was the forumer who was working on the engineering phase of the LA-SD high speed rail: Whats going on with that?

Thank you.

[HurricaneHugo]

The Portland Beavers (AAA) will move to Escondido in 2012. They'll play in Tucson for the time being.

Nice.

[SDfan]

^^ Out of all the cities in the county they had to pick Escondido...

[kpexpress]

So what are people's thoughts on the Horton Plaza demo plan? Going before the CCAC tomorrow...

[kpexpress]

Convention Center Expansion news. I'm sure everyone has seen this, what are you thoughts on it?

Although I hate the idea of 'thickening' the berlin-wall-of-a-barrier I think this does add a new attribute that the public will love - elevated view platform/green roof park!

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/09/denver-architect-design-center-expansion/

[SD_Phil]

So what are people's thoughts on the Horton Plaza demo plan? Going before the CCAC tomorrow...

I wouldn't cry too much over it. The Horton Plaza had it's time and it served a crucial purpose for the revitalization of DTSD but that time has come and gone...BUT I really want to see what the replacement plans are in more detail. Something needs to be built there that fills the needs of both locals (affordable housing) and tourists (bars, shopping, restaurants, clubs). The Gaslamp does this, I know, but it's a pretty niche place (at least at night).

[SDfan]

Well, I like the park space for sure. I hope the design of the tower isn't so boxy though, although it would match up with the Hilton pretty well if it was.

Also, did anyone else notice that park seems to elevate upwards as it heads down the convention center? If its not just an optical illusion then that's going to be great place to take skyline pics.

I wonder what happened to the hotel planned for the marina that faces the convention center?

As for Horton, eh. I think its a bit odd to have that building sitting pretty much alone in a large plaza. Opening up the mall is important, but how are they going to make up for the lost retail space?

[dl3000]

Robinsons building demo would be great. They can expand the park aspect of Horton Plaza to something like San Francisco's Union Square and make it a focal point in downtown.

Convention Center looks good, I just didn't like the public art that was in the renderings but I think those already exist, at least the red thing I think does.

I read on signonsandiego that a Lane Field Park was also approved as a concession for the lack of Oval Park in the North Embarcadero plan. That could be good too. Yay parks, these type of parks are kinda lacking in downtown (Balboa is in a different league of park).

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/09/port-approves-embarcadero-park-lane-field/

[kpexpress]

in RE: to Horton Plaza demo work, the key is to convince the public that $0 will come from the general fund to pay for this, and Westfield is donating $1 Million to Balboa Theater, Lyceum Theater, and a Homeless Shelter (divided to all three). And Westfield will maintain the whole park (including Irvin Gill fountain) for 25 years - again no money from the general fund.

And remember, the renderings are not the final design - they are just an artist rendering. A slew of public workshops will be held to form the design, and the historic building left in the plaza will have cafes and restaurants on the plaza (would be great for lunch) and LIMITS only 1200 sqft of kiosks (max 4) in the plaza.

This will be amazing for downtown - think Bryant Park, Union Square (SF), etc. This city needs this and HOrton needs it more.

[SDfan]

in RE: to Horton Plaza demo work, the key is to convince the public that $0 will come from the general fund to pay for this, and Westfield is donating $1 Million to Balboa Theater, Lyceum Theater, and a Homeless Shelter (divided to all three). And Westfield will maintain the whole park (including Irvin Gill fountain) for 25 years - again no money from the general fund.

And remember, the renderings are not the final design - they are just an artist rendering. A slew of public workshops will be held to form the design, and the historic building left in the plaza will have cafes and restaurants on the plaza (would be great for lunch) and LIMITS only 1200 sqft of kiosks (max 4) in the plaza.

This will be amazing for downtown - think Bryant Park, Union Square (SF), etc. This city needs this and HOrton needs it more.

I like hearing this idea, but I have real concerns over homeless issues and design. San Diego tends to do a terrible job of both. Why am I imagining the current Horton Square but quadrupled in size with bag ladies and schizophrenics walking around aimlessly on a concrete/post-modern tragedy?

I'm not saying that this a bad idea, but this needs to be done the RIGHT way, and I'm not sure if this city is every really able to do anything the right way.

I really, really, really hope this works out, because we do need a space like the ones you've described.

And why am I surprised that Westfield is so willing to do all of this? Is this part of a long term strategy?

[eburress]

And remember, the renderings are not the final design - they are just an artist rendering. A slew of public workshops will be held to form the design, and the historic building left in the plaza will have cafes and restaurants on the plaza (would be great for lunch) and LIMITS only 1200 sqft of kiosks (max 4) in the plaza.


Lord. Let's get people who know nothing about design, city planning, or how to tie their own shoes help form the design. That has never not worked.

[kpexpress]

I like hearing this idea, but I have real concerns over homeless issues and design. San Diego tends to do a terrible job of both. Why am I imagining the current Horton Square but quadrupled in size with bag ladies and schizophrenics walking around aimlessly on a concrete/post-modern tragedy?

I'm not saying that this a bad idea, but this needs to be done the RIGHT way, and I'm not sure if this city is every really able to do anything the right way.

I really, really, really hope this works out, because we do need a space like the ones you've described.

And why am I surprised that Westfield is so willing to do all of this? Is this part of a long term strategy?

I'm sure Westfield is motivated due to their PAC expires in 2014. Gotta spend it now! I have faith that this can work out and be a great place. The key is to not ceed design approval to Westfield and participate in the community workshops and preliminary design review meetings to give your two cents and rally your neighbors to show up and make sure this turns into something we can all be proud of.

Call me an optimist, but this is better than doing nothing, but short of what really needs to happen to Horton Plaza to bring it back up to the competitive level on par with other regional malls like UTC and Fashion Valley.

I WANT AN APPLE STORE IN DOWNTOWN!

[sandiego_urban]

in RE: to Horton Plaza demo work, the key is to convince the public that $0 will come from the general fund to pay for this, and Westfield is donating $1 Million to Balboa Theater, Lyceum Theater, and a Homeless Shelter (divided to all three). And Westfield will maintain the whole park (including Irvin Gill fountain) for 25 years - again no money from the general fund.

And remember, the renderings are not the final design - they are just an artist rendering. A slew of public workshops will be held to form the design, and the historic building left in the plaza will have cafes and restaurants on the plaza (would be great for lunch) and LIMITS only 1200 sqft of kiosks (max 4) in the plaza.

This will be amazing for downtown - think Bryant Park, Union Square (SF), etc. This city needs this and HOrton needs it more.
I agree. I'm just hoping they don't use palm trees around the fountain like the rendering below shows. Can't we have some leaves? Jacarandas maybe? If done right, it could definitely be a gather place for people. A weekly farmer's market would be a good fit there, as well as food trucks and carts, small concerts, rallys, festivals. It's definitely better than that hideous building that's there now. I say bring it!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/UTI1553540_t593.jpg

[sandiego_urban]

Some more renderings of the convention center expansion -

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/CCE-home-expansion-banner1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/SDCC_after_t593.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/CCE-home-expansion-banner2.jpg

Why can't the exterior use more glass than this? It sits on the bay for crying out loud! :( http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/CCE-home-expansion-banner4.jpg

Definitely the best part of the project :tup:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/CCE-home-expansion-banner3.jpg

[sandiego_urban]

The new webcam atop the MTS building is cool. Just snapped these this morning -

New library site
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289493949618032.jpg

Pedestrian bridge is moving along nicely
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503550462.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503550032.jpg

Awesome density shots from this angle
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503554556-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503555034.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503556715.jpg

The broke-down stranded cruise ship, next to the new cruise ship terminal
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503551122.jpg

The new courthouse should be going up soon
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289507118115419.jpg

[SDfan]

Okay to call the architecture of the convention center expansion "striking" is really a stretch. The only thing really "striking" about the whole project is the park. Aside from that it looks like nothing special or memorable. I'll only concede that its functional and will be less expensive than expected (hopefully). Build it, but lets not lie to ourselves that this is an amazing design.

[mongoXZ]

The new webcam atop the MTS building is cool. Just snapped these this morning -

New library site
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289493949618032.jpg

Pedestrian bridge is moving along nicely
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503550462.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503550032.jpg

Awesome density shots from this angle
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503554556-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503555034.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503556715.jpg

The broke-down stranded cruise ship, next to the new cruise ship terminal
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289552503551122.jpg

The new courthouse should be going up soon
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/DT%20WebCam/1289507118115419.jpg

Glad to see the courthouse and library construction going forward at a good pace. How tall is the courthouse going to be again?

[northbay]

Glad to see the courthouse and library construction going forward at a good pace. How tall is the courthouse going to be again?

16 stories
source: http://newcourthousesandiego.com/default.aspx

[SDfan]

New Hospital Campus for Scripps La Jolla:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/17/scripps-to-overhaul-la-jolla-hospital/

[HurricaneHugo]

New Hospital Campus for Scripps La Jolla:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/17/scripps-to-overhaul-la-jolla-hospital/

Why can't hospitals ever be like 500 feet tall. :(

[mello]

The new renderings for the convention center expansion look terrible (the wall part along the walkway). What happened to the old proposal of those digital screens and windows along that walkway? That looked much more modern and clean. Big concrete and stucco walls... no thanks. They can come up with something better then that and it isn't that hard to do.

[kpexpress]

The new renderings for the convention center expansion look terrible (the wall part along the walkway). What happened to the old proposal of those digital screens and windows along that walkway? That looked much more modern and clean. Big concrete and stucco walls... no thanks. They can come up with something better then that and it isn't that hard to do.

Agreed, I have big issues with the wall facing the water as well. These are simple urban design principles that somehow are forgotten...... A LOT IN THIS CITY..cough..cough convention center and sight lines to the water..

[kpexpress]

I like hearing this idea, but I have real concerns over homeless issues and design. San Diego tends to do a terrible job of both. Why am I imagining the current Horton Square but quadrupled in size with bag ladies and schizophrenics walking around aimlessly on a concrete/post-modern tragedy?

I'm not saying that this a bad idea, but this needs to be done the RIGHT way, and I'm not sure if this city is every really able to do anything the right way.

I really, really, really hope this works out, because we do need a space like the ones you've described.

And why am I surprised that Westfield is so willing to do all of this? Is this part of a long term strategy?

In the OPA Westfield has agreed to maintain the space (horton square park as well) and program it with over 200 events annually (will help with the amount of vagrants) FOR 25 YEARS! As well as putting up a cool $1 Million for Balboa and Lyceum theater upkeep costs and a homeless shelter.

Great deal for the city, and the region.

[kpexpress]

I agree. I'm just hoping they don't use palm trees around the fountain like the rendering below shows. Can't we have some leaves? Jacarandas maybe? If done right, it could definitely be a gather place for people. A weekly farmer's market would be a good fit there, as well as food trucks and carts, small concerts, rallys, festivals. It's definitely better than that hideous building that's there now. I say bring it!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/UTI1553540_t593.jpg

I may be wrong, but I think the idea is to restore the square back to it's original design by Irving Gill.

[HurricaneHugo]

Aguirre not giving up on trying to block the new Chargers stadium...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/19/two-lawsuits-filed-downtown-redevelopment-cap/

[mongoXZ]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/UTI1553540_t593.jpg

That little building that I believe houses an Abercrombie should go. It just doesn't look right. Take that away and you have the makings of a great square.

[Derek]

Aguirre not giving up on trying to block the new Chargers stadium...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/19/two-lawsuits-filed-downtown-redevelopment-cap/

I've never liked that guy...

[SDfan]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/Jaygergon/downtown%20development%202/UTI1553540_t593.jpg

That little building that I believe houses an Abercrombie should go. It just doesn't look right. Take that away and you have the makings of a great square.

I don't think they can, I think that building may be historical.

[mongoXZ]

Well, maybe they can move it and integrate it as a retail portion of a mixed use project in East Village or the Gaslamp.

Yeah right.

[kpexpress]

I don't think they can, I think that building may be historical.

The Bradley Bldg is historic and can't be demo'ed. but can be reprogramed to activate the plaza like a restaurant, coffee shop, bookstore, etc. I think the abercrombie would have to go cause it's not part of the bradley but tacked onto the side of the Bradley.

Everyone needs to stop being shallow stop looking at this rendering as if that's the final design. The Bradley will be reprogramed and activate the plaza.

[Derek]

The Bradley Bldg is historic and can't be demo'ed. but can be reprogramed to activate the plaza like a restaurant, coffee shop, bookstore, etc. I think the abercrombie would have to go cause it's not part of the bradley but tacked onto the side of the Bradley.

Everyone needs to stop being shallow stop looking at this rendering as if that's the final design. The Bradley will be reprogramed and activate the plaza.



x2. I can see it having plenty of potential.

[sandiegodweller]

Looks like an RFQ has been issued for a big development downtown.

Go the the link below and scroll to bottom of document for links to the RFQ and Vision Plan.

Downtown San Diego Opportunity

Upper East Village presents a unique opportunity for creative and qualified developers to redevelop 5.38 acres of privately-owned property in Downtown San Diego. The redevelopment site consist of five contiguous city blocks, under one ownership, located south of San Diego City College.

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=8xrpfmcab&v=001fTAmhMmZbVLX6eirsFk79Yprt8TDp5ul2tb5XwoS38ApfBnoACYwv28NQICg7RThIKddcQ_cNT6GwWIrZYfHsnMDT8lmpPzlAWFbpOLvFPafG7AFWubMr637vSVGwZ2LQgE8KtsppZg8N-Cr_HA3FDH_SF3F0whMBC_H5FRn25JEVEXoLKYwnQ%3D%3D

[SDfan]

^^ I love the proposal by carrier-johnson in the "upper east village vision plan".

[kpexpress]

^^ I love the proposal by carrier-johnson in the "upper east village vision plan".

X2!!! Can't wait for this!

[Lipani]

I love just about every part of this proposal. It'll be great seeing this part of downtown getting a much needed makeover (literally!).

[HurricaneHugo]

Eh.

I'm happy as long as something is done with UpEasVil.

*UpEasVil is the future yuppified name ;)

[HurricaneHugo]

And Lipani, there can only be one Mexican in this thread. :twoguns:

[Lipani]

No worries! I'm a Mexicana-loving gringo! :banana:

Took the trolley for the first time in months today. I forgot how painfully slow it is going down C Street. Does anyone know if this will be fixed by the Trolley Renewal Project?

[HurricaneHugo]

I've always thought they should get rid of one of the stops in the middle...

[bmfarley]

No worries! I'm a Mexicana-loving gringo! :banana:

Took the trolley for the first time in months today. I forgot how painfully slow it is going down C Street. Does anyone know if this will be fixed by the Trolley Renewal Project?

Nothing too substantive. The renewal project will replace some tracks and reconstruct stations... lifting platforms to allow access for the new low floor light-rail trains that are on there way. It might reduce dwell times when disabled passengers in wheelchairs need access - cars will have ramps deployed from any car versus train operator using a lift-type device at front-right of train.

In my opinion, the Trolley needs to be underground in downtown. This will provide additional capacity - more trains. Right now, C Street can really only have about 12 trains per hour in each direction because of cross streets and pedetrians crossing tracks. Maybe 15 trains per hour. If underground, up to 24 trains could run downtown.

[brantw]

Guys, they have erected steel down at the new courthouse building. I will try to get a picture of it.

[Lipani]

In my opinion, the Trolley needs to be underground in downtown. This will provide additional capacity - more trains. Right now, C Street can really only have about 12 trains per hour in each direction because of cross streets and pedetrians crossing tracks. Maybe 15 trains per hour. If underground, up to 24 trains could run downtown.

I'm in complete agreeance on this. However, given the NIMBYism in San Diego politics I doubt this would happen by the time all of us are on social security. The trolley system can be notoriously backed up even when there isn't a Red Line service for the events at the convention center, Petco, the Q, etc. My other pet peeve: having two stops across the street from each other at Santa Fe and America Plaza. That's simply stupid.

[bmfarley]

I'm in complete agreeance on this. However, given the NIMBYism in San Diego politics I doubt this would happen by the time all of us are on social security. The trolley system can be notoriously backed up even when there isn't a Red Line service for the events at the convention center, Petco, the Q, etc. My other pet peeve: having two stops across the street from each other at Santa Fe and America Plaza. That's simply stupid.
It's not NIMBY's, it's that no one has invested in a vision. There simply is no one even thinking of Light-Rail service improvements in downtown San Diego. No one.

If San Diego looked at something like a subway - even for a a 2-mile segment - as a knee-jerk reaction, folks would probably balk at the cost. If someone set the table, a good argument has been cooking in the kitchen.

[eburress]

It's not NIMBY's, it's that no one has invested in a vision. There simply is no one even thinking of Light-Rail service improvements in downtown San Diego. No one.

If San Diego looked at something like a subway - even for a a 2-mile segment - as a knee-jerk reaction, folks would probably balk at the cost. If someone set the table, a good argument has been cooking in the kitchen.

Yeah, I think the resistance would be more from the vast majority who wouldn't want to pay for the cost of a subway and less from NIMBYs (burying the rail lines would seem to please the NIMBYs, actually). Either way, the people in this town are so frustrating. Nothing about this city is "can do."

[Lipani]

The cross-border terminal isn't much, but at least it will make life easier for those traveling to other parts of Mexico and Shanghai/Tokyo.

Cross-border airport terminal project advances

The San Diego City Council on Tuesday moved closer to establishing a cross-border terminal that would connect Otay Mesa via pedestrian bridge to Tijuana’s A.L. Rodriguez International Airport.

The council voted unanimously to go forward with a study to rezone the land just north of the U.S./Mexico border to house the terminal, hotels, parking lots and retail.

“This project is going to help us create jobs and improve our transportation infrastructure,” said Council President Ben Hueso.

The plans for the estimated $77.9 million privately built and operated terminal cleared a crucial hurdle in August when it received a presidential permit from the U.S Department of State — something groups on both sides of the border said eliminated the biggest obstacle.

Otay-Tijuana Ventures LLC, the group spearheading the project, expects to begin construction next year with the facility operational by late 2012 or early 2013.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/30/cross-border-airport-terminal-advances/

[SDfan]

Interesting pdf on regional transportation plans:

Just click the link and download the pdf on the right side titled "North Coast Transportation Improvements"

http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/I-5-Corridor/I-5-intro.aspx

Fun map on page 16.

[SDfan]

The cross-border terminal isn't much, but at least it will make life easier for those traveling to other parts of Mexico and Shanghai/Tokyo.


I think it will be more significant than you think. Hopefully it will integrate us more with TJ.

[brantw]

New Courthouse
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/5227876686_83a335ccc3_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5227280819_7f74d97019_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5227281131_b1ca831a45_b.jpg

Thomas Jefferson School of Law
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5227281185_e9b5670735_b.jpg

Library - 3 New cranes went up this week. Security wouldn't let me get any closer to take pictures.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5227281527_841ecfe85f_b.jpg

Pedestrian Bridge - Almost finished
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5227281743_fefd12a300_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5002/5227877888_a0bc08b84a_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5227878046_6d604e9b1a_b.jpg

[mongoXZ]

Go Library!

The new school looks slick!

[eburress]

Go Library!

The new school looks slick!

I agree about the new law school building. That's a much nicer structure than I expected!

[brantw]

After 12 years of talk, the San Diego Unified Port District board is planning to act Tuesday on the $28 million first phase of the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan.

At the same meeting, the board will consider a revision to the plans for hotels on Lane Field, located at the edge of the Embarcadero on property that's been vacant for more than 50 years.

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/09/03/nevp_image_3_8.2010_t593.png?f53c1bb70f629018cec0bd6246c82dae770b93ac

However, both actions are likely to require review by the California Coastal Commission, officials and activists said.

The meeting will take place at 1 p.m. at port headquarters, 3165 Pacific Highway.

The beautification plans for San Diego's "front porch" along the western Embarcadero, initially approved in 1998, involve tripling the width of the waterfront esplanade to 105 feet; adding two kiosks and a restroom; and adding extensive landscaping.

The first phase includes Broadway west of Pacific Highway and Harbor Drive between B Street Pier on the north and Navy Pier on the south.

The project, funded by a redevelopment loan to the port, was rejected by the coastal commission in April and appellants say they may appeal again, depending on the details of a new coastal development permit.

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/10/04/lane_field2_8.2010_t593.jpg?f53c1bb70f629018cec0bd6246c82dae770b93ac

The coastal commission already is scheduled to act Dec. 15 on the findings from its April denial. In a report the coastal staff reiterates its view that the port master plan ought to be amended before the Embarcadero permit is issued.

The Lane Field hotels were approved in 2006, but financial problems have delayed construction of an upscale InterContinental Hotel and midlevel Vivara by Woodfin Suites hotel.

The site at the Northeast corner of Broadway and Harbor Drive has been a parking lot ever since the minor league Padres moved to Mission Valley in 1958.

http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/10/05/port_t593.jpg?f53c1bb70f629018cec0bd6246c82dae770b93ac

The project is back before the port because of an agreement reached in October to carve out a 150-foot-wide, nearly 2-acre park or plaza on the Harbor Drive side of the hotel site, necessitating a redesign and rewriting of the lease agreement.

The port staff is proposing a new feasibility report to determine what kind of hotel should be built before setting the lease terms.

The coastal commission will eventually have to agree to any design changes since it issued the original development permit.

Read the original article at SignOnSanDiego (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/03/port-act-embarcadero-lane-field-hotel-plans/).