SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[tyleraf]

If Derek wants to do that just let me know. I'm working on the list.

[Derek]

I can do that. :)

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

Here's a picture of 15th & Island I took from the new library the other day--not a close up but at least it gives you a decent view of the entire project site. I will snap another picture today when I walk my dog (I live right next door) from the ground level--but they are currently pouring the concrete for all this exposed steel rebar of the central core, and the underground parking garage for tower 1 is nearly done, they're pouring the ceiling concrete right now--which is great because once the parking garage is completed they are supposed to begin landscaping the park (Suporlock Pourier)
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deusxmachina4/media/photo1.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deusxmachina4/photo1.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo photo1.jpg"/></a>

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deusxmachina4/photo1.jpg

[Bertrice]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/872/790/33c7bf7e0b38fd355ddec9d739941d94_large.jpg?1377806137I don't live down there but this would make me visit
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1047290220/rad-lab-urban-park-in-downtown-san-diego

[spoonman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deusxmachina4/photo1.jpg

^Wow, great photo. When you zoom in all the way it is easy to see the project. Now that they are well above street level, hopefully this should gain momentum.

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deusxmachina4/photo32.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deusxmachina4/media/photo32.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deusxmachina4/photo12.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deusxmachina4/media/photo12.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deusxmachina4/photo22.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deusxmachina4/media/photo22.jpg.html)

Hopefully this works. The last picture shows the parking structure which is finally at street level and ready to be capped and begin the park (East Village needs a park SO desperately--but what I don't like is that they're going to build a fence around it, to lock everyone out after hours--which is probably for the best since the neighborhood is basically skid row)

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

I meant to mention something about the I.D.E.A. District, a project I think is smart one, considering the multiple uses for the building and the public ground floor atrium space. It's the fenced off lot just north of the NewSchool of Architecture campus between E and F street adjacent to the trolley line on Park Blvd (a space that is currently notorious for attracting sidewalk homeless camps and drug dealers, and sometimes violence.)

I had a short conversation with David Malmuth (one of two minds behind I.D.E.A. District) and he told me the day before it was made official that they were given the green light for their first building to begin construction, which will probably begin before winter.

http://ideadistrictsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IDEA-District-Book.pdf:cheers:

[tyleraf]

Thanks for updating the front page Derek!

[SDfan]

Thank you tyleraf!

[Bertrice]

10-02
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7448/10071796705_3db5bdb6f5_m.jpg
county administration garage

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7455/10071802965_6011ed6354_m.jpg
southside waterpark
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/10071780954_07f970ce46_m.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/10071871896_8a63809a5c_m.jpg
northside
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2856/10071864256_e137edaedf_m.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/10071951663_cd276ba6d3_m.jpg
nevp

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7304/10071846445_1e5e9d90d8_m.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/10071954063_281f8756ae_m.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2870/10071955923_5936bd5efb_m.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7401/10071861185_5c4c268b43_m.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3780/10071906736_6bf16d6ef3_m.jpg

[tyleraf]

Thanks for the update Bertrice! I'm looking forward to the new park and phase 1 to be completed.

[SDfan]

I really hope Stadium View starts soon. The tower is super slender and tall, and would be a nice addition to the EV skyline. I found some more renderings in the March 2012 Real Estate Committee docket on the civicsd website.

[tyleraf]

SDfan: So do I! That area of downtown could use some more height. Does anyone know the status of Blue Sky and Sempra? I think both were supposed to break ground last month.

[spoonman]

Not sure on the status of those.

Nice job on the compilation of projects. It's pretty exciting all of the projects that are now in queue.

Here is something I came across that details the height limit restrictions.

http://www.san.org/documents/aluc/sdia_alucp.pdf

Some of you may already know this, but the FAA doesn't actually regulate the building heights around the airport, the city does. That said, the FAA can threaten to shut down the airport if development creates dangerous conditions.

There is a minimum circling height of 800ft for planes over downtown within 2.3 miles of the airport (basically to the tip of Barrio Logan). As such, the city chose a 500ft height limit to provide a buffer. Ironically, the one place where buildings higher than 500ft could go (barrio logan) is zoned to somewhere around 60ft if I recall.

[tyleraf]

Maybe someone like Bosa will start pushing for higher height limits. I'm sure it would only increase his profits. Or maybe Barrio Logan could open up for skyscrapers. Either way I hope we can eventually break the 500 mark. Another interesting tidbit that I came across recently is that a very small portion of the ballpark village site (the one not currently in the works) has a 600 ft height limit, so technically we could end up with a spire that would break 500. I sure hope we become wise like Miami and start pushing for raised height limits though.

[Derek]

I've said it before, but if Vegas can have 600+ footers 2 miles from the airport, then so can San Diego.

[Bertrice]

SDfan: So do I! That area of downtown could use some more height. Does anyone know the status of Blue Sky and Sempra? I think both were supposed to break ground last month.

I saw that the sempra lot was fenced off with some earth moving equipment parked on it when I visited the library.

[S.DviaPhilly]

SDfan: So do I! That area of downtown could use some more height. Does anyone know the status of Blue Sky and Sempra? I think both were supposed to break ground last month.

Took this last Thursday from a condo in The Legend...parking lot gone!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/photo-417_zpsdef1b690.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Spiewak/media/photo-417_zpsdef1b690.jpg.html)

[tyleraf]

Wow! Nice to see the progress. Thanks Sdviaphilly and Bertrice.

[Puzzlecraft]

Broadstone project at 5th & Thorn 10/5/2013: A rendering has been posted at the site.

1.
http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/SanDiego/5th_thorn_20131005a.jpg
The rendering view is from 4th & Thorn. Two small houses which were removed from the site are shown put back with red roofs. Preservation edict?

2.
http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/SanDiego/5th_thorn_20131005b.jpg

[TransAustin]

Regarding the projects on:
http://wwww.civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/planning/PROJECTSTATUSLOGJULY2013.pdf
Can anyone specify if the projects that are pending construction (development permits approved) are almost certainly going to be built or if they are are still up in the air? Basically, what is the probability of a building with this status to be constructed?

[SDfan]

Regarding the projects on:
http://wwww.civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/planning/PROJECTSTATUSLOGJULY2013.pdf
Can anyone specify if the projects that are pending construction (development permits approved) are almost certainly going to be built or if they are are still up in the air? Basically, what is the probability of a building with this status to be constructed?

Honestly, it depends on the economy. We lost a lot of projects in the last recession. Most of these should be built if things are still humming along. Anything by Bosa and Pinnacle are safe bets - they're in it for the long haul. The Gray development is starting construction soon, I think. Don't count on any office construction though - unless it's built to suit. Speculative office construction probably won't return to downtown San Diego for years to come.

[SDfan]

Broadstone project at 5th & Thorn 10/5/2013: A rendering has been posted at the site.

1.
http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/SanDiego/5th_thorn_20131005a.jpg
The rendering view is from 4th & Thorn. Two small houses which were removed from the site are shown put back with red roofs. Preservation edict?

Interesting project - expect more of this in the uptown area. Smaller versions in Hillcrest/North Park.

As for the preservation, probably. I'm sure someone's mother farted in there making them significant for future generations.

[aerogt3]

As for the preservation, probably. I'm sure someone's mother farted in there making them significant for future generations.

LOL :haha:

Historical preservation in SD/CA is a joke. Built in 1940? OH MAH GAWD THAT'S SO OLD!!!!11!!11!

:uhh: :koko:

[psychotron]

Happy to see a lot of projects in the pipeline, spread across different areas too. I'm rather looking forward to CAC Waterfront Park.

That preservation is pretty laughable. Unless the building had an important occupant, I don't see anything architecturally significant about it. It looks like so many other homes around southern CA. Progress always has its costs. It's not like we're fighting to preserve the original Penn Station!

[Prahaboheme]

LOL :haha:

Historical preservation in SD/CA is a joke. Built in 1940? OH MAH GAWD THAT'S SO OLD!!!!11!!11!

:uhh: :koko:

To play devil's advocate, while these buildings may not be terribly old or historic they do exhibit the character and feel of San Diego. More importantly, they break-up a super block which makes it more pedestrian. I think the new development will be enhanced by the presence of these buildings not detracted by them.

[Streamliner]

LOL :haha:

Historical preservation in SD/CA is a joke. Built in 1940? OH MAH GAWD THAT'S SO OLD!!!!11!!11!

:uhh: :koko:

While 1940 doesn't seem like that long ago, it is still 73 years old. Penn Station was only 54 when it was destroyed, and they tried to demolish Grand Central after only 55 years of use.

I'm not trying to compare these San Diego buildings to the NY train stations. My only point is that you shouldn't disregard something because you don't think it's old enough.

That said, I don't know why these bungalows are important, or why they are being preserved. Anybody know? I think it's healthy to be skeptical of these kinds of decisions. Many of our old neighborhoods needs to densify, but if we keep marking every aging building as historic, we might paint ourselves into a corner.

[SDfan]

While 1940 doesn't seem like that long ago, it is still 73 years old. Penn Station was only 54 when it was destroyed, and they tried to demolish Grand Central after only 55 years of use.

I'm not trying to compare these San Diego buildings to the NY train stations. My only point is that you shouldn't disregard something because you don't think it's old enough.

That said, I don't know why these bungalows are important, or why they are being preserved. Anybody know? I think it's healthy to be skeptical of these kinds of decisions. Many of our old neighborhoods needs to densify, but if we keep marking every aging building as historic, we might paint ourselves into a corner.

I agree with your points. There is historical merit in this city, it's just been terribly overstated by many who just wish to obstruct development they don't personally like.

Historical designation is an important part in maintaining significance and character in a city. It's just really too subjective in San Diego.

[SDfan]

Yay, more litigation to come!

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/oct/10/coastal-commission-convention-expansion-plan-bay/

Commission approves convention expansion
By Lori Weisberg5:22 p.m.Oct. 10, 2013 UTSan Diego
Overriding the objections of its own staff, the California Coastal Commission on Thursday cleared the way for a $520 million expansion of San Diego's convention center.

The commission's unanimous approval removes a huge hurdle to getting the bayfront project built, which backers say is key to retaining conventions like Comic-Con that have outgrown the center and luring much larger meetings projected to deliver millions of dollars in hotel tax revenues.

Still threatening to delay the expansion, however, is pending litigation challenging the financing plan, which relies heavily on a hotel room surcharge of 1 percent to 3 percent already approved by the city's hotel owners. While a judge has upheld the levy as legal, opponents have appealed the ruling, setting the stage for potentially lengthy delays.

[tyleraf]

What do you know. The buffoons of the navy broadway complex coalition are at it again. I'm glad the coastal commission ignored the recommendation of its staff though. At least the expansion is now approved.

[spoonman]

According to this link posted by TransAustin

http://wwww.civicsd.com/images/stori...OGJULY2013.pdf

And this story in the UT...

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Oct/10/renters-housing-market-marriage-delayed/2/?#article-copy

"And capital is getting easier to find for big projects downtown, with a major hotel deal expected to be announced in the next 60 days, said Robert Green, a veteran hotel developer (and no relation to USC’s Richard Green)."

...It appears that plans for a 362 room hotel will finally be announced for the property that was slated to become the never-built Marriott Renaissance Gaslamp. That lot has been empty for about a decade, since eminent domain was used to demolish the structure that was there previously. With 362 rooms on only part of a city block, I imagine this hotel will max out at the Gaslamp's 12 story height limit.

[Nerv]

Yay, more litigation to come!

It'll get built. They'll delay it some (although I'm kind of doubting as long as the Chargers were claiming) and it will probably cost us more in the end but as long as the laws remain as they do I would expect nothing less.
:cheers:

[Nerv]

To play devil's advocate, while these buildings may not be terribly old or historic they do exhibit the character and feel of San Diego. More importantly, they break-up a super block which makes it more pedestrian. I think the new development will be enhanced by the presence of these buildings not detracted by them.

Exactly. I'm no fan of saving anything old since a lot of old things are just ugly but it's a good thing to work some of the older structures with the new into your city plans. Hey I don't live there but I know sometimes in these local areas the neighborhood actually wants the old stuff to remain too. There are a lot of older structures worth saving that aren't historic. I kind of like the way it breaks up the block too and stops the new structure from overpowering everything. My opinion only.
:tup:

[Erip]

I agree completely. I liked the casitas, and am very glad they're going to be incorporated in the new project. I do find it kind of odd that the new development's architecture is so different and out of line with the old buildings they saved though. I wish they found a way to creatively blend the old and new...kind of like the north park post office project, you are here, or even petco park. The main broadstone building is very blah. Looks like we can add another onion to go with Park at Sixth.

[Urbanize_It]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/872/790/33c7bf7e0b38fd355ddec9d739941d94_large.jpg?1377806137I don't live down there but this would make me visit
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1047290220/rad-lab-urban-park-in-downtown-san-diego

Rad Lab urban dog park funded! I think this will be a nice addition to East Village! :cheers:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1047290220/rad-lab-urban-park-in-downtown-san-diego/posts

[tyleraf]

Here is the redesign of Ballpark Village. The height is now 411 ft. Also I'm glad to hear that RadLab will happen. It will add a lot to East Village.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/10303672423_8a2d5f2b63.jpg

[spoonman]

^ Nice that they lost the "mullet".

[JPAztec]

Hey everyone, long time reader, first time poster here. Loving the activity in SD these days, and even if our city has it's share of problems, it's still managing to make some headway on public and private developments, good to see.

Since I drive south and then back north past DT nearly daily, I've seen the crane for 15th and Island for some time, but have yet to see that little bugger popping up...anyone know if there is an active web cam of the area? This thing is going to be highly visible, it's got me excited to see it rise.

[tyleraf]

East Village construction update. Sorry about the low quality iPhone pics.
15th and Island:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/10321582636_6291f64fc2.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5544/10321582246_a55c31d58f.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/10321583426_80e5712fe0.jpg
15th and Market:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3723/10321582666_6af64d8e89.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3709/10321583156_e163b3de9e.jpg
13th and Market:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3824/10321583786_7aec438d6a.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

Here is the redesign of Ballpark Village. The height is now 411 ft. Also I'm glad to hear that RadLab will happen. It will add a lot to East Village.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/10303672423_8a2d5f2b63.jpg

Looks a lot better!

[Nerv]

I'm thinking the change to the look of its Colour is what's having more of a impact. The design does seem more subtle but I can't tell if it's just the drawing or that much changed on it.

[tyleraf]

Nerv: the design changes are subtle, but major improvements and yes, thankfully they changed the color.

[SDfan]

Nerv: the design changes are subtle, but major improvements and yes, thankfully they changed the color.

What are some of the major improvements?

[tyleraf]

The lack of the orange mullet and better integration of the crown. The building now looks a lot less messy.

[tyleraf]

Here is a better render of the crown.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5528/10338647184_87b82242cf.jpg

Also here are some more construction photos from downtown.
9th and Broadway:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2813/10338647174_2e8fee9fd9.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5476/10338647144_161f27e267.jpg
I.D.E.A. 1 site. The site is fenced off, but no construction yet.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/10338646694_832eca2f99.jpg
Some bonus pics of downtown.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7460/10338647254_a3eacd8635.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2827/10338647514_f01da7b040.jpg

[Prahaboheme]

Are we sure that there are design changes to Ballpark Village or is this just a more flattering rendering?

[Derek]

The roof line is still weird to me.

[tyleraf]

There are changes. I have both files saved on my iPad.

[spoonman]

Wow, 9th and Broadway is going to do a lot for that part of Broadway. It will help bridge the gap between the Chase building, and Smart Corner.

Here is a rendering.

http://server.mediataskforce.com/clients/sold10041MVEI/uploads/1_b_272_G1_9th_Broadway_01.jpg

[spoonman]

Here is the downtown partnership plan. Among other things, it mentions reductions in parking requirements, a supposed sticking point for many developments.

http://www.downtownsandiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Imagine-Downtown-Presented-by-the-Downtown-San-Diego-Partnership.pdf

[Nerv]

I'm not sure of the current order of likely construction starts in downtown but I was thinking (hoping) that the next two might be the new Sempra and IDEA buildings. I thought both projects might break ground by years end.

I know it's still probably nowhere set in stone yet but what was the "expected" start time of construction on the ballpark village tower? Also if it's 411 feet what was the previous announced height of the building?

It's not looking that bad now and I do like what I saw before of its ground level buildings for retail. Better than what's there now and should add to the expanding ballpark surrounding areas.

Downtown has slowing started to get interesting again.:tup:

Now if only they could get more "must see" retail like a NY has...;)

[Nerv]

Yeah, 9th and broadway will be a welcomed addition there too.

For anyone interested in following its "rise" here's a webcam link:

http://http://www.earthcam.net/projects/bridgehousing/ (http://www.earthcam.net/projects/bridgehousing/)

[tyleraf]

Nerv: Sempra has already broken ground and work is underway. I'll try to take a picture of it today. Also the original height of Ballpark Village was 402 ft so it had a 9 ft boost.

[spoonman]

So the under construction list of high rises for East Village is:

15th & Island
9th & Broadway
Sempra Headquarters

[JPAztec]

Looks a lot better!

Maybe it's just me, or just the perspective from this angle, but it looks pretty dang tall! A welcome addition in my eyes, something different for our city.

[TransAustin]

So the under construction list of high rises for East Village is:

15th & Island
9th & Broadway
Sempra Headquarters
Yes, for highrises, but 15th and Market is also under construction which is 6 stories i believe. They are working on the 4th floor now.

[tyleraf]

Here are a few more construction photos from downtown. Sorry about the low quality.
Horton Plaza:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/10352657473_b1884ffc4e.jpg
Sempra:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2893/10352466975_0bf3741881.jpg
Urbana:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/10352460504_33f99e50e6.jpg

[Yackemflaber69]

going to san diego tommorrow

[TransAustin]

Made a SD development map on Google. I will continue to update it.
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=203393253126333935823.0004e908c0c1c977e8f23&msa=0
Key:
Green: Under construction
Blue: Approved
Cyan: Partially Approved
Pink: Proposed

[Bertrice]

The headquarters
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6j3PO3_NJSY/UmNyzO2YKQI/AAAAAAAAACU/3QEdF9q8hEo/w881-h587-no/TerramarRetailCenters-TheHeadquarters_2013102020004.jpg

[Bertrice]

car rental center

http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs103/1101091656837/img/831.jpg?a=1115041243601

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/A...id=0jN3_J8Oguc

[Puzzlecraft]

Thanks for putting this together

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=203393253126333935823.0004e908c0c1c977e8f23&msa=0

Certainly a LOT happening downtown!

[SDfan]

The headquarters
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6j3PO3_NJSY/UmNyzO2YKQI/AAAAAAAAACU/3QEdF9q8hEo/w881-h587-no/TerramarRetailCenters-TheHeadquarters_2013102020004.jpg

Sweet, thank you for the pic!

[SDfan]

Made a SD development map on Google. I will continue to update it.
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=203393253126333935823.0004e908c0c1c977e8f23&msa=0
Key:
Green: Under construction
Blue: Approved
Cyan: Partially Approved
Pink: Proposed

This is awesome! Thank you.

[TransAustin]

This is awesome! Thank you.

My pleasure! I'll go back when I get the chance to make it nicer like adding my references and some picture links for each building.

[tyleraf]

Thanks for the map TransAustin. It's amazing to see how much development will be happening downtown.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Made a SD development map on Google. I will continue to update it.
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=203393253126333935823.0004e908c0c1c977e8f23&msa=0
Key:
Green: Under construction
Blue: Approved
Cyan: Partially Approved
Pink: Proposed

Nicely done, this is impressive! good job SD

[SDfan]

LA is still in Southern California too, right?

I know, right? I was about to say, "uhhhh, what?"

[SDfan]

Question TransAustin, is Columbia Tower really 47 stories? I thought it was around 20-22? Or am I confused?

[TransAustin]

Question TransAustin, is Columbia Tower really 47 stories? I thought it was around 20-22? Or am I confused?
I just did some research and no it will not be 47 floors. It was downgraded to only 19. :/ I read it on the first page of this thread "A mixed-use development at 1270 Columbia St. in downtown San Diego is being planned for a local record-size 47-story tower with hotel and residential components, as well as a possible timeshare. No construction timeline has been established." Also on the civicsd project status logs, it says that it will be a 387 room hotel but it doesn't mention haw many floors it will be. 15th and Island will be about 480 apartments so assumed it would be somewhat similar in size.

http://civicsd.com/projects/major-downtown-projects/projects-landing-page/columbia/815-columbia-tower.html

[Nerv]

With continued remarks the last few years about a shortage in the city for hotel rooms and the convention center expansion now picking up some speed I wonder if more hotels will see the green light sooner and maybe a few might try and go bigger?

I know the Hilton hotel expansion by the convention center with its second tower looks to be the obvious to get going sooner now and the last I heard it was still being looked at to be built over the current parking structure there but has anyone heard what it's height is expected to be?

Also has anyone ever heard more of the Marriott hotels at the convention center site plans for expansion? They announced a few years back now some big plans to have a couple of large meeting space rooms built for conventions to be added to the current site but nothing since that I'm aware of. Did these plans die or just waiting out a tough economy?

[spoonman]

I know the Hilton hotel expansion by the convention center with its second tower looks to be the obvious to get going sooner now and the last I heard it was still being looked at to be built over the current parking structure there but has anyone heard what it's height is expected to be?

The tower for the Hilton expansion will be identical to the existing tower (height, style, etc.) with the exception that it will not be quite as wide.

[S.DviaPhilly]

I took a tour of The Headquarters last week and snapped a ton of photos, what an amazing project!!! Here are a few...


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/photo1_zps55fcf1fc.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Spiewak/media/photo1_zps668e2210.jpg.html)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/photo1_zps668e2210.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/photo1_zps2c254d4a.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Spiewak/media/photo1_zps2c254d4a.jpg.html)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/photo2_zpsa015bd27.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Spiewak/media/photo2_zpsa015bd27.jpg.html)
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[SDfan]

^^ I'm excited to see this project open. I haven't been to that area in a year and a half or so (I live two miles away), so it will be nice to see what's up. I hope the seaport village redevelopment works out as well. I just wish they would pick one theme, instead of the western/spanish/cape code scheme that's been going on.

[SDfan]

Also has anyone ever heard more of the Marriott hotels at the convention center site plans for expansion? They announced a few years back now some big plans to have a couple of large meeting space rooms built for conventions to be added to the current site but nothing since that I'm aware of. Did these plans die or just waiting out a tough economy?

A long, long time ago, the Marriott planned a third tower for their site. It was maybe 10 stories taller than the towers it has now, and was in between them on the north side of the development. I don't believe it was a go ahead because the coastal commission and the city would have lost it over the coastal access/loss of harbor view from that type of project. If I can find the rendering I'll post it.

[Bertrice]

A long, long time ago, the Marriott planned a third tower for their site. It was maybe 10 stories taller than the towers it has now, and was in between them on the north side of the development. I don't believe it was a go ahead because the coastal commission and the city would have lost it over the coastal access/loss of harbor view from that type of project. If I can find the rendering I'll post it.

here's Marriott's plan
http://www.portofsandiego.org/images/stories/Real-Estate/devprojects/marriott/newpix/web-fig-4.jpg

[Nerv]

I know the Marriott wanted a third tower long ago but I was thinking of any news on this:




San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina Plans $182 Million Improvement Project
Contact: John Gilmore (619) 686-7206 on September 07 2010.
The San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina, is planning a $182 million major remodeling that includes replacement of its main ballroom and exhibit hall.

The work will begin in early 2011 and is expected take up to 20 months to complete.

As part of the extensive renovation, the Port of San Diego has conducted a detailed review of the project and concluded the makeover will have no significant adverse impact on the environment. Several elements were examined, including the project’s impact on traffic and transportation, land use and air pollution.

San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina Improvement Project Documents
The public may comment on the Port’s draft findings beginning Wednesday, Sept. 8, 2010, through Oct. 7, 2010. The document is available for review at the Port of San Diego and the Downtown Library.

The 25-story Marriott, which is located on prime waterfront land at 333 West Harbor Drive (map) in downtown San Diego, is one of the city’s signature hotels. It is operated by Host Hotels & Resorts LP and features 1,305 rooms, 55 suites, dozens of meeting rooms and a 446-slip marina.

The makeover includes a new 40,000 square foot ballroom and a 40,000-square-foot exhibit hall. The new ballroom and exhibit hall would be constructed at the existing Marriott Hall conference building adjacent to Harbor Drive. There also are plans to construct an outdoor event area, a pedestrian promenade, and extensive landscaping improvements.

The Port District’s draft finding, called a mitigated negative declaration, is available at the office of the Port District Clerk, 3165 Pacific Highway, San Diego, CA 92101 (map). The draft may be viewed online and at the San Diego Downtown Central Library, 820 E St., San Diego CA 92101.



Here's a link to the original article:

http://www.portofsandiego.org/real-estate/2240-san-diego-marriott-hotel-and-marina-plans-182-million-improvement-project.html



After 3 years and not a peep?
Is this dead now or something that may get going again with the convention center expansion? The amount of space available so close to the convention center would have a nice big positive effect on big shows like comic con.:tup:

[Nerv]

^^ I'm excited to see this project open. I haven't been to that area in a year and a half or so (I live two miles away), so it will be nice to see what's up. I hope the seaport village redevelopment works out as well. I just wish they would pick one theme, instead of the western/spanish/cape code scheme that's been going on.

I agree but in the case of the new Headquarters they were stuck with the Spanish look. I prefer the nautical or ocean related concepts of design like the original phase of the convention center on projects in the marina.

[bushman61988]

I know the Marriott wanted a third tower long ago but I was thinking of any news on this:




San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina Plans $182 Million Improvement Project
Contact: John Gilmore (619) 686-7206 on September 07 2010.
The San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina, is planning a $182 million major remodeling that includes replacement of its main ballroom and exhibit hall.

The work will begin in early 2011 and is expected take up to 20 months to complete.

As part of the extensive renovation, the Port of San Diego has conducted a detailed review of the project and concluded the makeover will have no significant adverse impact on the environment. Several elements were examined, including the project’s impact on traffic and transportation, land use and air pollution.

San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina Improvement Project Documents
The public may comment on the Port’s draft findings beginning Wednesday, Sept. 8, 2010, through Oct. 7, 2010. The document is available for review at the Port of San Diego and the Downtown Library.

The 25-story Marriott, which is located on prime waterfront land at 333 West Harbor Drive (map) in downtown San Diego, is one of the city’s signature hotels. It is operated by Host Hotels & Resorts LP and features 1,305 rooms, 55 suites, dozens of meeting rooms and a 446-slip marina.

The makeover includes a new 40,000 square foot ballroom and a 40,000-square-foot exhibit hall. The new ballroom and exhibit hall would be constructed at the existing Marriott Hall conference building adjacent to Harbor Drive. There also are plans to construct an outdoor event area, a pedestrian promenade, and extensive landscaping improvements.

The Port District’s draft finding, called a mitigated negative declaration, is available at the office of the Port District Clerk, 3165 Pacific Highway, San Diego, CA 92101 (map). The draft may be viewed online and at the San Diego Downtown Central Library, 820 E St., San Diego CA 92101.



Here's a link to the original article:

http://www.portofsandiego.org/real-estate/2240-san-diego-marriott-hotel-and-marina-plans-182-million-improvement-project.html



After 3 years and not a peep?
Is this dead now or something that may get going again with the convention center expansion? The amount of space available so close to the convention center would have a nice big positive effect on big shows like comic con.:tup:



But this is still a totally different project than the original proposal that SDFan was talking about...although I don't have the renderings, that proposal called for a tower that was exactly the same color and shape on top of what is now the main entrance and fountain in between the two marina towers now. It would have completely walled off our bayfront with monolithic blue towers.

[Nerv]

Yeah. Again I'm interested if the project I posted on is dead or not. I know a third tower is long dead.

If I remember correctly both Hyatt and Marriott proposed new towers. Marriott was told no and the Hyatt got a green light to build their second way back when.

The project above wasn't a tower but adding some size able meeting room space. It sounded like it was a go if Marriott wanted to build it since I saw nothing of it as "pending any approval" so I assumed it was good there.

I'm guessing it might be a money issue at the time or just waiting for the right time in the economy to build it? Either way, the project remains silent so is it dead, dead or new library slightly dead (which we all know finally did get built.)


I talked with comic con organizers back in 2010 or 2011 and they were excited about it back then but I hadn't thought to bring it up since I even forgot about it.

This is one of those smaller projects that could be a big benefit to larger trade shows like comic con. The size of those meeting rooms would be like adding two more Ballroom 20's to the convention center. It would be nice if this was just being delayed for money/economy reasons and not shelved completely.:???:

[Bertrice]

China camp building is fenced off.Also noticed a few smaller construction projects/fenced lots in L.I.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K4cVcikkqlM/UmbKllf9S4I/AAAAAAAAADc/ZAWFNKw1_kQ/s328-p/013.JPG

[Nerv]

Is this the most current rendering of the project or has it been updated?

http://sandiegodowntownnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/FatCityHotel-SW-web.jpg

[tyleraf]

No nerv, that is the most recent. I'm glad to see fat city getting started it will add some much needed density to that part of Little Italy.

[Erip]

Finally, this project is about to get some movement! I was worried that since Graham Downes was the developer, his death would have put an end to it. Goodbye Mandarin House, hello Mandarin Haus
http://eater.cc/1gyKZQy

[TransAustin]

Finally, this project is about to get some movement! I was worried that since Graham Downes was the developer, his death would have put an end to it. Goodbye Mandarin House, hello Mandarin Haus
http://eater.cc/1gyKZQy

:/ Having mixed feelings about that one.

[spoonman]

It must be pick on Chinese restaurants week. First China Camp, now Mandarin House. At least it's not Imperial House, and there is another location of Mandarin House in La Jolla.

[tyleraf]

Good news! Lane Field is scheduled to break ground on March 1st. Hughes Marino - Downtown Dirt Q3 2013 (http://www.hughesmarino.com/hughes-marino-blog/columbia-centers-new-name-union-banks-new-deal-and-sublease-space-galore/)

[Derek]

It's about damn time...


I'll believe it when I see it.



What the hell is the status on the NBC project???

[tyleraf]

The coastal commission sued Manchester construction is scheduled to start at the earliest in 2015. http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jan/28/navy-broadway-complex-coastal-commission-sue/

[Derek]

Really? That is so depressing.

[spoonman]

La Jolla Commons 3 is going to break ground soon on an office tower, for an early 2015 completion. This takes the corner spot at La Jolla Village/Judicial, which most recently was to be a hotel.

I don't have a height for the tower, but it looks like the other 2 on the site.

Hines seems very aggressive to develop this site. In looking at the old renderings with the condo-hotel towers, I can't help but wonder if they will use the remaining land next to the parking structure for a hotel/condo tower.

Story

http://www.hughesmarino.com/hughes-marino-blog/building-up-in-utc/

http://www.hughesmarino.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/LJC-III-231x300.jpg

Old Rendering

http://www.officeblvd.com/images/HINESsdlajollacommon.jpg

[Nerv]

I wasn't a big fan of how La Jolla Commons tower 2 looks. Not horrible, just very,very plain and shorter than expected.

La Jolla Commons tower 3 does look a little bit better it seems. It's still just a box but it's a little better looking box.

There's also another project scheduled to be built in the same time frame, La Jolla Centre 3. It's 14 stories so expect around 200+ feet in height.

http://www.irvinecompanyoffice.com/view/san-diego-3/university-towne-centre-3/la-jolla-centre-iii-241

http://www.irvinecompanyoffice.com/resources/property%20slideshow%20image/property/241/slide-01-102.jpg


If they both get going as expected you'll see them completed by 2015.

[Nerv]

I say "if" too because the market probably only needs one tower right now, not two. So if no one blinks and we get two towers built in 2015 the market will likely be over built. Not unusual though...

[Nerv]

Also moving right along with construction is UC Jacobs Medical Center in La Jolla due to open in 2016.

https://health.ucsd.edu/jacobs/news/PublishingImages/JMCModel-127-sml.jpg

http://www.annualreport.ucsd.edu/2010/images/health-science.jpg


It's part of San Diego's recent flurry of hospital expansions and new construction although this baby will be state of the art. Here's the webcam if you want to follow the construction:

http://oxblue.com/open/JacobsMedicalCenter

[Prahaboheme]

Is this the most current rendering of the project or has it been updated?

http://sandiegodowntownnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/FatCityHotel-SW-web.jpg

I really like this project. It will have a nice visual impact at this intersection and will hopefully go a long way to making this a more pedestrian friendly stretch of sidewalk.

[Chapelo]

I work for the firm that's leasing La Jolla Commons II, we begin move-in in February of 2014. Our real estate group said we may taking space in Tower 3, as we have filled up Tower 2.

[spoonman]

I work for the firm that's leasing La Jolla Commons II, we begin move-in in February of 2014. Our real estate group said we may taking space in Tower 3, as we have filled up Tower 2.

That's good news for the project.

Is there still a dirt hole near the parking garage? In looking at maps and pictures, I wonder if a hotel could fit there?

[Chapelo]

That's good news for the project.

Is there still a dirt hole near the parking garage? In looking at maps and pictures, I wonder if a hotel could fit there?

It was landscaped and is now a little "park", they also expanded the parking garage slightly. Of course, they could always remove the park later if needed.

You can see it in the lower right.

http://i.imgur.com/5fuRjpBl.jpg (http://imgur.com/5fuRjpB)

[SDfan]

SD development is building up, not out
By SAMANTHA HENRY, The Daily Transcript
Wednesday, October 23, 2013
http://www.sddt.com/RealEstate/article.cfm?SourceCode=20131023czb&_t=SD+development+is+building+up+not+out#.UmhgWvmKK3g

Once-overlooked properties are now the center of the action as developers build up instead of out. Properties that were overlooked in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s may have been passed over because they were too difficult, too small, opposed by neighbors or had entitlement or hazardous waste issues, said Gary London, president of The London Group Realty Advisors. The focus has shifted back to those properties for good reason, he said.“The development industry that preceded the Great Recession doesn’t exist anymore,” London said. “Those guys that built … homes mostly are gone. Those who are left are building sort of their own suburban infill projects.

“The people that are really at the center of where the action is are the people … who are taking a look at these properties that were once overlooked, and they said to accommodate the population and the growth that’s projected for San Diego … we have to look at these properties again and we have to figure out new, innovative ways to develop them. And that means what has happened since the Great Recession is a certain renaissance of new companies filled with people with new skills and new kinds of ambitions.”Panelists discussed projects in the works that seek to accommodate those needs at an event Wednesday hosted by San Diego State University’s Corky McMillin Center for Real Estate.

Robert Little, vice president of development for Kilroy Realty, explained how its One Paseo project in Carmel Valley will serve the marketplace, which is looking for collaborative-lifestyle-driven workplaces with an emphasis on LEED and sustainability. One Paseo is on 23 acres and is designed to have three land uses: retail, office and residential.
The design features a Main Street environment with residential and a cinema over the shops on Main Street. Little said the project creates an “authentic heart of the community,” which he said is lacking in that area. Discretionary income leaves the area because there aren’t enough amenities there, Little said. He added that he believes the combined uses will benefit each other.

The project has faced some controversy with residents in the area opposing it, claiming it will increase traffic. Little said it adds trips to the system but in a mixed-use format, which ebbs and flows differently than a single-use property. Little said that through the process the company tried to improve and rethink the plan to address concerned citizens, but “you can never make everybody happy.” The tension from any project comes from the change it creates, London said. From a market perspective, London said the project is a “no-brainer” and may serve as a model for allowing people to live, work and shop in a community.

Richard Paul Buss, president of OliverMcMillan, also faces residents’ complaints with a property in Hazard Center in Mission Valley. The property was built in the 1980s and is “ripe for a re-do,” Buss said. The project is designed to have more than 450 residential units in row homes and two tall residential buildings. “This kind of infill is good for our city. That doesn’t mean it’s easily accepted by those in low-rise condos,” Buss said. The project is waiting for a tunnel to be built under the trolley pass to access Fashion Valley, Buss said, and doesn’t expect to break ground for two to three years due to marketplace issues, adding that the primary issue is that approvals are tight.

Marco Sessa, senior vice president of Sudberry Properties, said the company’s Civita project in Mission Valley has 1,500 units in various phases of development. The project looks to satisfy those who want the orderly nature of a master plan but the urban feel, Sessa said. Younger people want to live in urban, not suburban, areas, Buss said.
Two large groups of buyers and tenants at Civita are 25- to 35-year-olds with kids younger than 5, and a 55-and-older group. Similarly, Little said, One Paseo hopes to provide more housing and price point options to those who don’t live in Carmel Valley because of the cost. He said there are many locals who “love the idea of downtown” and the walkability aspect, but don’t want to leave their community or network to move to downtown. Mixed use can become “mixed-up use” when too much is stacked in one area, Buss said. London added that the goal is to create a community where the uses complement each other.

London said some of the richest people he knows are people who never sell. Sessa said Sudberry plans to own its rental projects indefinitely. Little said One Paseo maximized its flexibility to be sold off in pieces, but there is a long-term hold strategy and intent to hold all pieces. Buss said the company intends to hold about half of the project."

Interesting note on the Hazard Towers.