SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[bmfarley]

FYI...
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/farleybrandon/Rail/ModeTime.jpg

[Derek]

do you have a larger version of the map?

[Urban Sky]

^^hmm. interesting. a bit of a benefit, i see.

[bmfarley]

do you have a larger version of the map?I was just searching and capturing images. yes.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/farleybrandon/Rail/HSR-SoCal.jpg


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/farleybrandon/Rail/HSR-SD.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

what the hell?

i leave for a couple of hours and all of the sudden you guys post 4 pages of stuff >_<

as for as for CAHSR, how much are tickets projected to be?

[Derek]

thanks Brandon

[HurricaneHugo]

and am i the only one who doesn't like having to go through riverside in order to get to LA?

i'd much rather have a straight shot....

[bmfarley]

thanks BrandonNo problem. And a YouTube video marketing the san Diego segment....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ZpGxv32_I

[bmfarley]

and am i the only one who doesn't like having to go through riverside in order to get to LA?

i'd much rather have a straight shot....Nope, you're not. I am 99.9% certain the alighnment through the IE is a result of Orange County and San Diego Coastal nimby's. I don't mind it going up through Escondido and Temecula/Mirida... but from there is could cut northwest and tunnel through the hills/mountains to get to Irvine... a proposed southern terminus of the Orange County segment.

[Derek]

^do you work from a transit co?

[HurricaneHugo]

i hope thats not the final coloring of the trains...

[Derek]

woah! new avatar!

[Urban Sky]

what the hell?

i leave for a couple of hours and all of the sudden you guys post 4 pages of stuff >_<

as for as for CAHSR, how much are tickets projected to be?

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[Urban Sky]

woah! new avatar!

yeah, whats that all about? bring the cat back!!

[HurricaneHugo]

yeah, whats that all about? bring the cat back!!

ill have a new cat avatar once i take a pic of my kittens ^_^

[bmfarley]

yeah, whats that all about? bring the cat back!!Sweet avatar.... a huricane is perfect. Gee... sounding a bit geeky. g'night all.

[spoonman]

I miss the cat already:(

[spoonman]

I believe the plan was to upgrade the tracks to Orange County to make them allow for faster trains, but stopping very short of making it high speed.

[Urban Sky]

i say go all the way,...high speed...might as well


wheres you avatar spoonman?

[Urban Sky]

^^ ahh, i see it now! niceee

[Derek]

Mission Valley is definitly burning right now...turn to NBC channel 7

[Urban Sky]

^^ huh i dont see anything

[Derek]

oh...it was breaking news...sorry...but um...i guess a downed power line started a fire by the trolley tracks in Mission Valley...nothing major...

[Urban Sky]

anyone hear about the project by montgomery field that was halted by the crypt-keeper Donna Frye? something about it being too tall to be next to an airport. its only 20ft from being topped out at 12 floors. what a bunch of BS. dont you think the FAA would have done something about this BEFORE they started construction if something needed to be done?

[Derek]

^i thought it was going ahead anyways...everytime i look at it, something new has been put on the building:shrug:

[Urban Sky]

Office tower already too tall, agency says
By David Hasemyer
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

April 1, 2007

SAN DIEGO – Sunroad Enterprises has asked the FAA five times for permission to use a crane and a helicopter to place heavy equipment on top of the office tower the company is building near Montgomery Field.


HOWARD LIPIN / Union-Tribune
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070401/images/met-faa280.jpg
A plane took off from Montgomery Field, a short distance from a 12-story building under construction. The FAA says the building is a hazard to planes landing in bad weather.
Each time, the FAA said no.

“We're not going to allow additional increases in the height of a building that we already determined is a hazard to air navigation, even if those increases would be temporary,” Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said.

The FAA's denials have slowed but not stopped progress on the building, which the FAA says is a hazard to planes landing at Montgomery Field in bad weather. Sunroad has found other ways to install some of the equipment, which it says is essential to finishing the 12-story building.

The huge air-conditioning and heating units, as well as the elevator components, are being dismantled and hauled to the roof on a small construction elevator. The units are then reassembled.

“Disassembling those components is an expensive and time-consuming chore, but that appears to be the only option available to us,” said Tom Story, Sunroad's vice president of development.

Story said the company will hold the city liable for the expense, which he estimates will run into the tens of thousands of dollars.

The Sunroad project has triggered increasingly heated exchanges between City Attorney Michael Aguirre and city officials over Aguirre's attempts to force the developer to comply with FAA safety standards.

The latest outburst came last week after Superior Court Judge George “Woody” Clarke unsealed a search warrant connected to the project. Aguirre was using the warrant to seek evidence that Sunroad got special treatment from city officials, because Story was once deputy director of the planning department and chief of staff to former Mayor Dick Murphy.

Police Chief William Lansdowne refused to serve the warrant, but Sunroad has been voluntarily giving Aguirre some of the documents he was seeking. Aguirre then accused Lansdowne of deliberately hampering the investigation, and the chief said Aguirre was engaging in character assassination.

In August, the FAA declared the company's 180-foot-tall building a hazard because it exceeds the agency's 160-foot height limit. Planes that fly into the airport when the weather brings low clouds or high winds must circle within 400 feet of the building. Those approaches account for about 15 percent of the landings each year.

Aguirre has filed a lawsuit to force Sunroad to take down the top two floors, claiming the building is a public nuisance. Sunroad has countersued for $40 million, saying it abided by construction permits issued by the city's Department of Development Services.

Those permits were issued before the FAA was made aware of the building and declared it a hazard. City building officials have said they had no indication before the FAA's declaration that a tall building near the airport would be dangerous.

In October, the city ordered Sunroad to stop work on the top 20 feet of the building until the FAA's safety concerns could be addressed. The order was modified in December to allow Sunroad to weatherproof the project by adding a roof and building a room for the elevator equipment.

That work has been done, and Sunroad is now erecting the side walls on those top floors.

Marcela Escobar-Eck, the director of development services, has approved that work, even though the modified stop-work order didn't mention exterior walls. But when Aguirre learned that walls were being added, he ordered Sunroad to stop all work on the top.

Sunroad has ignored that order, contending that the city attorney has no authority in the matter.

The FAA has no jurisdiction over land-use decisions outside the airport proper, but the agency can control what Sunroad does in the sky above the building.

Sunroad first asked to erect a crane on top of the building Jan. 30. Two more rejections for cranes came within weeks of the applications.

A fourth request for a crane was filed Monday and was denied Thursday.

On Feb. 8, the FAA cited the city's stop-work order when it denied Sunroad's request to use a helicopter to lift the equipment to the top of the building.

“We respect local government decisions, and the applicant was unable to show that the work they proposed to do would not have violated the stop-work order,” Gregor said.

Story maintains that by continuing the work, the company is not disregarding the safety of pilots or of the people who may occupy the building.

“We are proceeding on the basis that there is no safety issue here,” he said.

The hazard designation no longer matters, Story said, because the FAA has warned pilots about the building and told them to fly around it.

[Derek]

i think the FAA is a little too strict on such rules...i have never ever seen a plane fly anywhere near that site in the past...

[Urban Sky]

not to mention that they ALREADY APPROVED IT! Now they are asking them to Deconstruct the top two floors....what the hell is that?!!!?

[Derek]

^it seems some members on the city council are way too attached to this thing, too...


(in a negative way)

[Urban Sky]

its a pride thing. they want to be right. thats why aguirre ran down there with his little clipboard when he heard they were still working. and Donna Frye was out there today in front of the place with a microphone yapping about i dont know what. i saw it on the news. im so happy she didnt wain the mayoral election. EEK

[eburress]

I just hate Donna Frye...and I hate her ass face!*

We'd all better pray that that bitch doesn't become mayor. Look at Dallas with their resident psychotic ho-bag mayor Laura Miller.

I also hate the FAA. It sounds like in the name of safety, they are making for some pretty unsafe conditions. Leave the freaking building alone.



*bonus points for the person who IDs this movie line.

[Derek]

I just hate Donna Frye...and I hate her ass face!*

We'd all better pray that that bitch doesn't become mayor. Look at Dallas with their resident psychotic ho-bag mayor Laura Miller.

I also hate the FAA. It sounds like in the name of safety, they are making for some pretty unsafe conditions. Leave the freaking building alone.



*bonus points for the person who IDs this movie line.

i couldnt have said it better! ass face really set the tone:tup:

movie : Waiting for Guffman?

[eburress]

BINGO! Fine work! :)

[Derek]

:jester: havent seen that movie in a looooong time

[Urban Sky]

Donna Frye
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/frye-win_files/15468307.jpg
Alternate Image (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b113/abaniko/ugly_dog.jpg)

[SD_Phil]

I voted for that bitch and would do so again. So much hate? Where did that come from? It's a minor problem and we can all agree it's being handled badly (mostly by the FAA). I was really suprrised at some of these posts.

[Derek]

Urban Sky, wow

SD Phil, people express thier opinions, and i respect yours as well, i just dont think Donna Frye would make a good mayor, but thats just me...dont worry:)

[Urban Sky]

did you read they article? the city is being kind of ridiculous

[eburress]

Back to the FAA, does anybody know what actual power they have to influence things? I.E., do they have any real authority over that building in Kearny Mesa or what happens in downtown?

For example, if Pei/Cobb were to propose a 700 ft tall "signature" tower downtown that the CCDC approved, could the developers proceed with the building's construction without an FAA approval? Could the FAA stop them? Would the government send in the National Guard to force the developers to stop construction?

[Derek]

speaking of Gap and hippies...Donna Frye was totally a hippy!

[Derek]

Back to the FAA, does anybody know what actual power they have to influence things? I.E., do they have any real authority over that building in Kearny Mesa or what happens in downtown?

For example, if Pei/Cobb were to propose a 700 ft tall "signature" tower downtown that the CCDC approved, could the developers proceed with the building's construction without an FAA approval? Could the FAA stop them?

im guessing yes, considering it would "interfere" with flight operations due to the close proximity of the site, however, a 700 footer in the East Village near the water, then you could maybe have some challenges (as ive stated a million times...man i wish i was a developer:( )

[Urban Sky]

Back to the FAA, does anybody know what actual power they have to influence things? I.E., do they have any real authority over that building in Kearny Mesa or what happens in downtown?

For example, if Pei/Cobb were to propose a 700 ft tall "signature" tower downtown that the CCDC approved, could the developers proceed with the building's construction without an FAA approval? Could the FAA stop them? Would the government send in the National Guard to force the developers to stop construction?


Im guessing the FAA could stop them. and it wouldnt take the national guard. But in this case, they are both hiding behind each other (the city and the faa). The FAA is now just saying they want to respect the cities ruling on the matter etc...what a cop out.

The bottom line is, the rules were followed, the building was approved, contruction was started and now all of sudden everyone is changing their mind? It doesn't make sense to me.

[eburress]

Donna Frye
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/frye-win_files/15468307.jpg
Alternate Image (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b113/abaniko/ugly_dog.jpg)

Oh shit - is that really a recent photo of her??? I'm almost certain it is a joke, but it really does look like her.

[Derek]

^yes, thats a recent photo:jester:

[Urban Sky]

Oh shit - is that really a recent photo of her??? I'm almost certain it is a joke, but it really does look like her.

no, that REALLY is a photo of her...no kidding.

[Derek]

latest on some projects:

Mondrian (Gray Development) – Centre City/Site Development Permit for 846 residential units (79 affordable) and approximately 33,000 square feet of commercial space in a 39-story (410 feet) tower located on the full block bounded by Eighth and Ninth avenues, and A and B streets. The project requires final approval by the Planning Commission, anticipated in June 2007 – East Village.
First & J (Bosa Development) – Marina Development Permit for 172 residential units and 22,600 square feet of street-level retail in a 38-story (438 feet) building located on the full-block site bounded by J Street and First, Second, and Island avenues. The project will involve an Owner Participation Agreement and the vacation and conversion of J Street into a public park/plaza – Marina.

havent seen this yet...
East Village Square Comprehensive Sign Plan (Cisterra/Bosa/JMI) – Centre City Comprehensive Sign Plan for the East Village Square, a master planned development located immediately north of the ballpark outfield between J and K streets, and Seventh and Tenth avenues. The proposed Sign Plan includes the previously approved signs at the Diamond View Tower project, project identification signs for the overall development, directories and directional signs for the overall development, and signs for individual tenants. This application requires approval by the City Council – East Village.

[Urban Sky]

Mondrian is 39 stories now?
What happened to:

"Gray Development is proposing a 42-story mixed-use project with 903 residential units (67 price-restricted) and approximately 47,800 square feet of commercial space on the block bounded by Eighth and Ninth avenues, and A and B streets. No construction schedule has been set."

http://www.ccdc.com/images/propertyImages/Mondrian.jpg

[Urban Sky]

also, i notived the commercial space went down and price-restricted units went up

[Derek]

^expect more changes, this project has gone through a lot...

[Urban Sky]

why are they choppin floors off? is donna involved in this one too? :haha:

[Derek]

well, at least it didnt really lose height (yet)

it was originally planned at 411'...now its down to 410'

[Urban Sky]

i didnt see any height figures, but i assumed it lost height since it lost floors. whats making up the difference? ornamentation? higher ceilings?

[eburress]

i didnt see any height figures, but i assumed it lost height since it lost floors. whats making up the difference? ornamentation? higher ceilings?

I'm thinking it's more to do with ornamentation -- specifically the building's crown.

[Urban Sky]

i guess it doesnt matter then about the floors! reduce away! ;)

[HurricaneHugo]

it can stand to loose a couple of pounds:rant:

[Urban Sky]

too thick?

[eburress]

too thick?

It is rather thick, but because of its location, I don't think that is a bad thing. Like I've said before, I think Mondrian will add a lot of density and there are plenty of nearby spots available for slender, sexy towers.

[Derek]

^its a good spot too, this along with VP are gonna increase pedestrian activity dramatically...

[eburress]

no, that REALLY is a photo of her...no kidding.

Holy cow...she looks like the Crypt Keeper!!! Those are definitely not highway miles, either!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/talesfromthecryptdvd250.jpg

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/frye-win_files/15468307.jpg

BTW, the main reason I don't like Donna Frye is that she is a NIMBY. If you thought SD had a difficult time getting things done before, just wait until she is mayor.

[Urban Sky]

that spot has been on the cusp of having more activity anyway. theyve been revamping the ground-level business around that area for a while now anyway, so im sure this is going to help tremendously.

[Urban Sky]

first of all, i called her crypt keeper above and you tisk-tisked me for it. next, i thought you liked donna frye. and last...shes never going to win an election. so weve got nothing to worry about there.

but :haha: re: the highway miles comment

[Derek]

that spot has been on the cusp of having more activity anyway. theyve been revamping the ground-level business around that area for a while now anyway, so im sure this is going to help tremendously.

the old Chicago Trust building is being converted into office condos as well (across the street from VP)

[Derek]

first of all, i called her crypt keeper above and you tisk-tisked me for it. next, i thought you liked donna frye. and last...shes never going to win an election. so weve got nothing to worry about there.

but :haha: re: the highway miles comment

oh i pray thats she is never elected, half of our new highrises would be demolished for park space:(

[Urban Sky]

or she'll have them "take down" several already completed floors and use that material as recycled park mulch

[Derek]

^good point!

[<ak/>]

the old Chicago Trust building is being converted into office condos as well (across the street from VP)

another high-rise in the neighbourhood:

Monaco (Ghods Builders Inc.) – Centre City Site Development Permit for 286 units and approximately 9,800 square feet of commercial space in a 34-story (350 feet) building on the north side of Broadway between Eighth and Ninth avenues. This project is pending completion of revised drawings – Core.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/klepika/dt/vp1.jpg

1 - mondrian
2 - vp
3 - monaco

[Derek]

^oh, good find:tup:

now if we can only take care of that large surface parking lot between the Mondrian and Monaco sites

[Urban Sky]

there are a lot of surfaces that need to be taken care of in the vacinity. good find AK.

wasnt someone planning on doing something with the ugly WaMu building?

[Derek]

^i dont recall...but it definitly needs a makeover;)

[<ak/>]

^oh, good find:tup:

now if we can only take care of that large surface parking lot between the Mondrian and Monaco sites

half of that lot is going to be North Central Square:
• 0.6-acre, half-block plaza integrated into the full block development, but fully open to streets on the west, south, and east (along 8th, 9th, and C streets).
• Northern anchor of Northwest Neighborhood Center.
• Accommodations for special events, such as art shows, twilight movie showings, small concerts.
• Potential for permanent kiosks.
• Public art.
• May include below-grade parking accessed from and below development on the northern portion of the block.

according to ccdc (http://www.ccdc.com/resources/resource_files/SDCP_04_Parks_Open_Space_Recreation.pdf)

[Derek]

^wow, you are on top of things AK!:tup:

[<ak/>]

^wow, you are on top of things AK!:tup:

i have my money in that area ;)

[Urban Sky]

woah. very nice. and renderings for the future plaza?

[Derek]

i have my money in that area ;)



its gunna look great in a few years;)

[Urban Sky]

im glad they are at least getting creative with the area.

[Derek]

^mmhmm, i was shocked when i first saw the Chicago Trust building being redone...but it was in a good way;)

[<ak/>]

woah. very nice. and renderings for the future plaza?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/klepika/dt/ncs2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/klepika/dt/ncs1.jpg

[Derek]

^great find!! i think thats one none of us have heard about yet!

[Urban Sky]

hot damn! thanks! that'll add some color to the area.

[Derek]

^i like how the parking lots we were just talking about are all filled in that rendering :tup:

[spoonman]

With regard to land use, I've heard from a legitimate source that the FAA has no power what-so-ever. The FAA is merely an advisory board. The city really does have the ultimate say so. The FAA only has two options in any situation. 1) Close the airport, or 2) Work around the problem. Since the city approved these buildings already, the only way these 2 floors will ever come down is with a city mandate. If that happens, the city will owe Sunroad a hell of a lot of money for their fuck-up. I don't know if any of you know, but there are two more towers scheduled to start construction there. This is the shortest one. They are to be 12, 14, and 16 floors. I believe the others are on the opposite side of the 12 floor tower in relation to the airport, so they may be ok, but I'm not sure.

[Derek]

With regard to land use, I've heard from a legitimate source that the FAA has no power what-so-ever. The FAA is merely an advisory board. The city really does have the ultimate say so. The FAA only has two options in any situation. 1) Close the airport, or 2) Work around the problem. Since the city approved these buildings already, the only way these 2 floors will ever come down is with a city mandate. If that happens, the city will owe Sunroad a hell of a lot of money for their fuck-up. I don't know if any of you know, but there are two more towers scheduled to start construction there. This is the shortest one. They are to be 12, 14, and 16 floors. I believe the others are on the opposite side of the 12 floor tower in relation to the airport, so they may be ok, but I'm not sure.

good report:tup:

[Derek]

from CCDC :tup:

SAN DIEGO, CA— Downtown San Diego’s Ballpark and Neighborhood Revitalization Project was chosen as one of 23 finalists for the 2007 Urban Land Institute’s (ULI) Awards for Excellence from among a broad mix of projects – 167 in all – from North and South America. A jury panel will review all finalists and select up to 10 to receive awards at ULI’s International Conference to be held this May in Chicago.

[dl3000]

With regard to land use, I've heard from a legitimate source that the FAA has no power what-so-ever. The FAA is merely an advisory board. The city really does have the ultimate say so. The FAA only has two options in any situation. 1) Close the airport, or 2) Work around the problem. Since the city approved these buildings already, the only way these 2 floors will ever come down is with a city mandate. If that happens, the city will owe Sunroad a hell of a lot of money for their fuck-up. I don't know if any of you know, but there are two more towers scheduled to start construction there. This is the shortest one. They are to be 12, 14, and 16 floors. I believe the others are on the opposite side of the 12 floor tower in relation to the airport, so they may be ok, but I'm not sure.

Yeah, like that damn parking structure right under the approach, I think that thing alone bumps back the runway approach a couple hundred feet, and the FAA didnt do anything about it except shorten the usable landing runway. Based on what spoonman mentioned and what you see, it seems that if San Diego wants to keep using Lindbergh, then they cant mess with the airspace in the vicinity because then the FAA would render it useless and then the city is forced to get a new airport. That would be an awesome tactic lol, but Im just guessing here.

[<ak/>]

some updates on the bridge situation:
http://www.ccdc.com/resources/resource_files/2007_Harbor_Pedestrian_Bridge.pdf

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/klepika/dt/hdpb2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j220/klepika/dt/hdpb1.jpg

[Derek]

i cant wait for that thing to get underway:tup:

[Urban Sky]

With regard to land use, I've heard from a legitimate source that the FAA has no power what-so-ever. The FAA is merely an advisory board. The city really does have the ultimate say so. The FAA only has two options in any situation. 1) Close the airport, or 2) Work around the problem. Since the city approved these buildings already, the only way these 2 floors will ever come down is with a city mandate. If that happens, the city will owe Sunroad a hell of a lot of money for their fuck-up. I don't know if any of you know, but there are two more towers scheduled to start construction there. This is the shortest one. They are to be 12, 14, and 16 floors. I believe the others are on the opposite side of the 12 floor tower in relation to the airport, so they may be ok, but I'm not sure.

At least they havent started construction on the other two yet.

That's interesting info on the FAA. For some reason I thought they had more say because of set height restrictions and all. The city really screwed this one up and now they are trying to make it seem like the builder is the one in the wrong when all theyve done is keep it legal. I heard a representative from the Pilots Association saying (on the news) that they are working with the FAA on this one and for now have informed pilots about the building (as if they hadn't noticed it) and told them to "fly around it". I thought that was a funny statement. You can even see that in the picture I posted with the news story, the building isn't even in the flight path.

Anyway, it's good news that the FAA isn't the Iron Fist I thought they were. That means the city better get crackin on raising those height restrictions in east village (at least)!

[eburress]

first of all, i called her crypt keeper above and you tisk-tisked me for it. next, i thought you liked donna frye. and last...shes never going to win an election. so weve got nothing to worry about there.

but :haha: re: the highway miles comment

Oh you did? I totally missed it!! hahaha I didn't mean to steal your stuff! :)

[Urban Sky]

Oh you did? I totally missed it!! hahaha I didn't mean to steal your stuff! :)

no no, i dont mind. i just thought you liked Donna Frye..thats why i said something.

[Derek]

Anyway, it's good news that the FAA isn't the Iron Fist I thought they were. That means the city better get crackin on raising those height restrictions in east village (at least)!

at least someone agrees;)

[eburress]

It's exciting to think that other buildings might soon go up in that Kearny Mesa area. Outside of a few small pockets, there's not much height in SD, but it's nice to see that might change.

[Derek]

^we need more in Mission Valley!! id love to see more highrises there!

[eburress]

^we need more in Mission Valley!! id love to see more highrises there!

I guess that would be OK, but since stuff can't be taller than the valley's rim, it makes me wonder what's the point. hahaha

[Derek]

^id sacrifice density for height in that neighborhood anyday;)

[HurricaneHugo]

how tall is the valleys rim anyways?

[Urban Sky]

how tall is the valleys rim anyways?

its about 380 feet ASL on both sides where most of the highrises are. the valley floor is 50ft above sea level so that would make the maximum building height approx. 330ft. thats still a good sized tower.

ive never heard that rule before. where did you hear that the buildings had to be below the rim?

[Urban Sky]

^id sacrifice density for height in that neighborhood anyday;)

id rather see any and all highrises built downtown. in fact, id like to transplant some of the cool ones from mission valley and sorrento mesa to downtown.

[eburress]

its about 380 feet ASL on both sides where most of the highrises are. the valley floor is 50ft above sea level so that would make the maximum building height approx. 330ft. thats still a good sized tower.

ive never heard that rule before. where did you hear that the buildings had to be below the rim?

This came up sometime last year when some of us wondered why CalTrans didn't use some kind of suspension bridge for I-805 where it intersects with I-8. Besides the obvious cost issues, somebody said that there was an ordinance (or something along those lines) that limited the height of structures in Mission Valley.

[Derek]

id rather see any and all highrises built downtown. in fact, id like to transplant some of the cool ones from mission valley and sorrento mesa to downtown.

i gotta disagree, i think diversity is good, but i do agree with focusing highrise construction downtown

[Derek]

oops! i made a typo...i meant to say id sacrifice height for density in that neighborhood anyday;)




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