SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[HurricaneHugo]

I always felt that it'd be better to building a garage under the zoo's parking lot and under the 6th avenue park and just have people walk to the park

Maybe have a shuttle for old/disabled people

[dl3000]

I always felt that it'd be better to building a garage under the zoo's parking lot and under the 6th avenue park and just have people walk to the park

Maybe have a shuttle for old/disabled people

Good call. Besides, they already run shuttles anyway so it would be a very minor adjustment.

[SDCAL]

Can anyone answer why the FAA has a blanketed height restriction on DT when there are parts of EV and the Gaslamp that are further than a mile and a half from the runway? I always understood the 500 ft height limit to be specifically for projects within 1.5 miles of Lindbergh, but when I checked on the distance of some projects from EV, specifically Ballpark Village, they are further away than that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but in 2016, with GPS and other major advances in aircraft technology and safety, isn't there some room for negotiation on this? I get that a number of projects being approved by Civic SD aren't even coming close to 500, but then again, this skyline could use some more height.

This height limit has been discussed and complained about here over the years on this forum, and I think most of us have given-up realizing that if it does change in our lifetimes, we will be very very old when it does. I agree with you that in east village which is further from the airport than the older parts of downtown there might be room to challenge the height limit, but it doesn't seem like the status quo - developers and politicians alike - really care to challenge it. They all seem content with the plateau skyline we are building. Maybe in like 50 years when space is much more scarce and the airport finally moves it won't be an issue anymore.

[The Flying Dutchman]

I used to be really annoyed by our stumpy skyline as well - But I kind of like our medium-density life in San Diego.

I also never got why there wasn't a shuttle from Balboa Park to Downtown. I guess it has to do with tax money somehow. :brickwall:

[kyzerky1986]

Hello everyone,

After years of following this forum, I finally joined and wanted to include some recent development pics of Downtown San Diego. Enjoy!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102470080126485&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102470080181375&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102469849643375&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102469849703255&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102469849608445&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102469849149365&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102469208882465&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102469208877475&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102389875252695&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102389859010245&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102389859090085&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102377196630755&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102377196441135&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102377196391235&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363096292945&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363096213105&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363095833865&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363095384765&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363095479575&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363094591355&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363094636265&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363094456625&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363093278985&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363092660225&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363092525495&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363092570405&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102363095200135&set=a.10102363083708165.1073741834.6416057&type=3&theater

[SDCAL]

Thanks for the photos and welcome to the forum!! The new courthouse building bewilders me - from certain angles, especially from the side and when driving into downtown from the 5, it looks like a big, bland, boxy eyesore. From the front looking up at it with the wave motif like you captured it actually looks like a cool building. It's amazing how much different certain buildings look from different angles

[SDfan]

Hello everyone,

After years of following this forum, I finally joined and wanted to include some recent development pics of Downtown San Diego. Enjoy!

Great pics. Sidenote, Lambda Man one time... :cheers:

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[The Flying Dutchman]

Updated DCPC project list:
http://dcpcsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/DCPC-Project-List-2016.pdf

Nook, Park & Market, plus the Beacon
http://dcpcsd.com/pre-design-subcommittee-agenda-tuesday-july-12-2016-515pm/

[RST500]

Horton Plaza is too good to let fade away


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/04/horton-plaza-nordstrom-refugees-070516-letters/

[RST500]

This height limit has been discussed and complained about here over the years on this forum, and I think most of us have given-up realizing that if it does change in our lifetimes, we will be very very old when it does. I agree with you that in east village which is further from the airport than the older parts of downtown there might be room to challenge the height limit, but it doesn't seem like the status quo - developers and politicians alike - really care to challenge it. They all seem content with the plateau skyline we are building. Maybe in like 50 years when space is much more scarce and the airport finally moves it won't be an issue anymore.


There are serious plans to move the Airport to Mira Mesa? Also if the sell the Coronado Military base than Northern Coronado and the Airport site could become the Miami Beach of the West.

[nezbn22]

The new Hilton Garden Inn/Homewood Suites on the old China Camp site has opened:

http://www.hotelbusiness.com/Brands/Hilton-Opens-Dual-Brand-Property-in-San-Diego/54504

[nezbn22]

Bosa's Kettner and Ash building finally got some press after being under construction for a little while now:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/06/bosa-kettner-ash/

[HurricaneHugo]

There are serious plans to move the Airport to Mira Mesa? Also if the sell the Coronado Military base than Northern Coronado and the Airport site could become the Miami Beach of the West.

Voters voted it down but even if it passed it'd be hard to kick out the military.

We can only dream though...

[Boatguy619]

I've been following these boards for a while now, decided to post some of my own photos as well. Originally raised in Jamul, lived in LA the past 5 years, returned in February and living aboard my boat in Point Loma. Gotta say though we have a awesome downtown and skyline. I recently had a friend from LA come visit and he said, "I always forget what a massive downtown San Diego has, it trumps LA". I think our level looking skyline makes the buildings look taller. Imagine a 900ft tower that made the rest look small.
https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/010013875888/media/51363906531/medium/1468294265/enhance
https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/010013875888/media/51363906983/large/1468294272/enhance
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https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/010013875888/media/51364032555/medium/1468296786/enhance

Can't wait till bosas waterfront projects fill in the gaps

[Bertrice]

Bosa's Kettner and Ash building finally got some press after being under construction for a little while now:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/06/bosa-kettner-ash/

trench is a lot deeper now

http://scottfinnhomes.com/downtown/new-construction-downtown/bosa-kettner-and-ash/

http://scottfinnhomes.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/05/Kettner-and-Ash-construction.jpg

[Streamliner]

I've been following these boards for a while now, decided to post some of my own photos as well. Originally raised in Jamul, lived in LA the past 5 years, returned in February and living aboard my boat in Point Loma. Gotta say though we have a awesome downtown and skyline. I recently had a friend from LA come visit and he said, "I always forget what a massive downtown San Diego has, it trumps LA". I think our level looking skyline makes the buildings look taller. Imagine a 900ft tower that made the rest look small.


Great first post, Boatguy. It's been nice having these posts with photos lately!

[superfishy]

Pretty cool comparison pic I saw on reddit.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmzLZBMUkAAw8ho.jpg

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Anytime i hear someone spew the bullshit that ballparks and arenas dont do anything for cities i will be sharing that photo and a pic of DTLA around Staples Center. What a transformation! Great job SD

[kyzerky1986]

Hey everyone!

How do I paste images into my post rather than having to create a hyperlink? Assistance much appreciated. Thanks! :)

[Streamliner]

Hey everyone!

How do I paste images into my post rather than having to create a hyperlink? Assistance much appreciated. Thanks! :)

You need to put the image brackets around your hyperlink. For example: hyperlink. There is a button in the posting box that does this for you. If you are posting from facebook though, you will have to find the address for the image, not the slideshow. You can get this by right clicking the picture in facebook and opening it in a new tab, and then using that URL as your hyperlink. This guide goes into more detail on posting (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/misc.php?do=bbcode)

Hope that works, I flipped through your album, they are great pics.

[nezbn22]

Driving to work this morning, I saw a backhoe starting what looked like a demo of the old building on the northeast corner of 7th and A. Might be the start of this condo tower:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2014/oct/30/cortez-hill-residential-tower/

[spoonman]

^That would be awesome for that area. Looks like its supposed to be completed in 2017. Some additional height near the 5 would look cool since it has been difficult to get height there with the airport. It appears that there is an 18 story building also scheduled to go in on the same block. Might help to spur more activity in that area.

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2014/10/27/Aerial_View_1_r900x493.jpg?122770e84b36f1c039d5c4c2ca15c2d8bc4ecd52

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2014/10/27/Southwest_perspective_view_2_t837.jpg?5df2a6e0ac564ff4ddc2702f3c8561935b88c24b

[nezbn22]

Signs of movement for the 7th and Market site?

http://civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/planning/public-notices/NOPH_-_Cisterra_7th__Market_LLC_-_7.13.16.pdf

[HurricaneHugo]

What's going up at 12th and park?

[nezbn22]

Pleasantly surprised the Port didn't screw this one up (yet at least):

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/13/seaport-spire-jacobs-san-diego/

[The Flying Dutchman]

I'm getting really annoyed by those vertical cylindrical concrete supports you see now... makes the building look cheap.

[Nerv]

Pleasantly surprised the Port didn't screw this one up (yet at least):

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/13/seaport-spire-jacobs-san-diego/


Ugh. I'm going to guess a "thrill ride" probably isn't going to play well with public opinion of what ends up there.

[SDCAL]

Ugh. I'm going to guess a "thrill ride" probably isn't going to play well with public opinion of what ends up there.

True, and there's time to tweak things, but overall this proposal
is by far the best one. At least the "thrill ride" looks somewhat unique and isn't another Ferris wheel

[SDCAL]

Any word on the ritz/whole food project? I saw it was on the agenda yesterday for civic sd, but not sure what they were discussing. I thought it already cleared there and needed to go before the city council for final approval??

[Nerv]

True, and there's time to tweak things, but overall this proposal
is by far the best one. At least the "thrill ride" looks somewhat unique and isn't another Ferris wheel


I actually thought the new sports arena project was the better deal for the city. It seemed ok for impact of the land and besides replacing the old out dated arena it would help much with comic con and other possible events that could use it. I guess I'm tired of driving my GF up to LA for all the concerts that pass us by too.

Also the story on the local news did seem to suggest there were some pretty strong doubts on when and how (finance) they are going to build it which the article mentioned only slightly. The city should set a very tight timeline for whoever builds so we aren't talking about seaport village projects in 2025.

Finally I'm really tired of the amount of "proposed" towers for tourists to peer out of on our bay. These seem to come up semi regularly. I'm not a fan of the one in Vegas and don't really care to waste valuable land for a tourist gimmick.

[Nerv]

Any word on the ritz/whole food project? I saw it was on the agenda yesterday for civic sd, but not sure what they were discussing. I thought it already cleared there and needed to go before the city council for final approval??




The last news on that project I saw was back in December 2015 when the City Council agreed to negotiate a deal with the developer. Crickets since although the Whole Foods people are saying they will be in SD downtown in the future so ???

[Streamliner]

Finally I'm really tired of the amount of "proposed" towers for tourists to peer out of on our bay. These seem to come up semi regularly. I'm not a fan of the one in Vegas and don't really care to waste valuable land for a tourist gimmick.

I think I agree with you on this point. If the observation tower were iconic or tall, I'd be more okay with it. But it's no more special than other towers like in the one in San Antonio or Calgary or Knoxville.

It would be the shortest one I can think of. It's shorter than the Hyatt and One America Plaza, and not much taller than Sea World's observation tower. I'd rather they put their money into making the high rise something truly iconic. Let BIG go crazy and design us something interesting like their pyramid project in NY:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/25786963780_5061a1882a_o.jpg

[dragonsky]

http://www.sandiegostreets.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/20150418_520_w_ash_rendering_001.jpg


High-Rise Proposed for 520 W. Ash in Little Italy
http://www.sandiegostreets.com/2015/04/24/high-rise-proposed-for-520-w-ash-in-little-italy/

[202_Cyclist]

San Diego's dream trolley line extension getting closer to reality

By Joshua Stewart
LA Times
July 14, 2016

"A new trolley line for San Diego is getting closer to realty.

The California Coastal Commission has approved a permit for the planned Mid-Coast Trolley, a mark of progress that follows action in Washington that is expected to provide funds to pay for a new tracks and stations between Old Town and University Town Center.

Commissioners voted unanimously Wednesday to give the San Diego Association of Governments approval to build the new line, which will roll through 3.5 miles of designated coastal zone. The 11-mile project to extend the existing Blue Line includes nine new stations and will link the county’s two largest job regions..."

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-sd-trolley-20160714-snap-story.html

[spoonman]

Good grief, I thought thi was already under construction.

I thought this article was going to be about a train line to North Park, SAN international, or even the beaches.

[SDCAL]

Good grief, I thought thi was already under construction.

I thought this article was going to be about a train line to North Park, SAN international, or even the beaches.

Me too!!!!!! Holy shit stuff in this town takes literally decades to get off the ground. I was just talking about this extension with people at work last week (I work in the UCSD area) and we all thought this was a done deal and under construction, so it's not just you, clearly previous reports on this made it seem like it was already broken ground. Maybe it'll be done by the time I'm 89 and I can get my cane and waddle onto it marveling at how convenient it would have been before retirement when I lived downtown and worked near UCSD :(

By the way, no line to North Park, SAN or the beaches for likely the next 30 years at a minimum. SANDAG removed their line to balboa park/north park from their 30 year plan and put in a line from the border through Chula Vista to Kearney Mesa in. My guess, it's because SANDAG is composed of mayors from all over SD county so they needed the votes of people like the CV mayor to do this.

This article discusses this new line, and if you look at SANDAG's 2035 goals, this is the ONLY trolley line proposed (except for the UCSD extension). So no beaches, no balboa park/center city lines and no airport line anymore are even on their long-range radar

http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2016/06/21/mayors-endorse-half-cent-sales-tax-to-build-new-trolley-line/

[HurricaneHugo]

1934 Aerial view of San Diego

https://i.imgur.com/OuHjY4e.png

[Wayward Memphian]

Ugh. I'm going to guess a "thrill ride" probably isn't going to play well with public opinion of what ends up there.

This on a more refined tower may be an awesome addition:
https://youtu.be/Ly4QP7pOfCs

[mello]

Unbelievable LA is building light rail lines like crazy and now our one line that seems to have been planned forever is now not going to be finished until 2021. First it was 2018, then 19 now 21 wow :rolleyes: I seriously have pretty much given up on San Diego ever implementing any of decent transit on a large scale. Unless you happen to work downtown which is rare, it isn't really a big job hub at all especially for white collar, and live along the new rapid bus route or in a super expensive apt in Mission Valley you are pretty much screwed.

Regarding those towers in Bankers hill glad one is finally a go, I remember hearing about those years ago and being excited because towers up on the hill make the Skyline look more dense and give it a bit of the San Francisco feel. I hope the other project gets going soon along with the Calif Theatre and the other big tower on Ash/or A. That part of downtown really needs more height and it will make a huge impact on the skyline.

[Nerv]

I'm not sure why anyone is upset about the trolley utc construction. The article states that construction will start this year as has been expected all along as its timeline. It's hardly running massively behind schedule or anything considering how all these type of projects move along. It's coming and it's going to be really cool for the system.

Long term plans for transportation are usually pretty loose and not set in stone one way or another so I wouldn't get to hung up on them.

[Nerv]

This on a more refined tower may be an awesome addition:
https://youtu.be/Ly4QP7pOfCs


Eh, I'm not against thrill rides just not a fan of wasting the land in seaport village for it. The hotels they'll build on the site are for the tourists so get something else on the rest of the land that the locals can use. That's why I leaned towards the sports arena project because it could benefit the locals and do something for the convention trade downtown that already exists. All the other crap they are pushing is for the tourist industry which is fine to an extent but put something there the 3 million plus locals can use.


Either way I'm not going to get uptight about it. The more I hear about the project the more curious I am about the backers delivering to the city what they promise. Just a gut feeling about it.

[Nerv]

http://www.sandiegostreets.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/20150418_520_w_ash_rendering_001.jpg


High-Rise Proposed for 520 W. Ash in Little Italy
http://www.sandiegostreets.com/2015/04/24/high-rise-proposed-for-520-w-ash-in-little-italy/


Nothing iconic or dazzling but I like it!

:tup:

[Nerv]

I'm going to be at Comic Con next week. I kind of know some of the projects under construction downtown right now but is there a list of all projects that are currently under construction downtown?

Is much happening in Little Italy right now with construction?

[SDCAL]

I'm not sure why anyone is upset about the trolley utc construction. The article states that construction will start this year as has been expected all along as its timeline. It's hardly running massively behind schedule or anything considering how all these type of projects move along. It's coming and it's going to be really cool for the system.

Long term plans for transportation are usually pretty loose and not set in stone one way or another so I wouldn't get to hung up on them.

Disagree. I realize major transportation projects don't happen overnight, but San Diego seems to lag behind other large cities in:

Planning
Timelines
Communications regarding mass transit projects

There's no excuse for it, it's sub-par

[Nerv]

Well like a lot of other people I've been waiting for this project to get started too.

I do know that the two biggest delays were caused by the wait for federal funds (out of the cities control) and the area the trolley goes through has some pretty dense areas involved with right a ways that needed to be resolved (that coming from someone involved with the project).

Fair enough though, it's been annoying. But they said a few years ago that the project would break ground in 2016 so unless it slips they are on the announced schedule from at least a couple of years ago.

The biggest problem with mass transit here is what others have repeatedly said and that's mass transit only starts to happen in places like here on a large scale when commuters are forced out of their cars because the traffic is the worse option. If more people used what we already have in place the pace for getting new projects built would happen faster. Face it, this is a city where everyone likes to drive and usually alone in their own car.

[Filambata]

Eh, I'm not against thrill rides just not a fan of wasting the land in seaport village for it. The hotels they'll build on the site are for the tourists so get something else on the rest of the land that the locals can use. That's why I leaned towards the sports arena project because it could benefit the locals and do something for the convention trade downtown that already exists. All the other crap they are pushing is for the tourist industry which is fine to an extent but put something there the 3 million plus locals can use.

Either way I'm not going to get uptight about it. The more I hear about the project the more curious I am about the backers delivering to the city what they promise. Just a gut feeling about it.

After all, more than 30 million tourists visit San Diego annually. LOL!

[Streamliner]

I'm going to be at Comic Con next week. I kind of know some of the projects under construction downtown right now but is there a list of all projects that are currently under construction downtown?

Is much happening in Little Italy right now with construction?

Check out this map:

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/development-map/

It's a comprehensive list of under construction projects in the downtown area. From Comic-Con the Ballpark Village project will be the most prominent construction site. Little Italy has a plaza/pedestrian area under construction with an associated mid-rise condominium/apartment development.

[HurricaneHugo]

^^^ Anybody know what's that project across Park Blvd from Smart Corner?

The old building has been demoed

[dtell04]

^^^ Anybody know what's that project across Park Blvd from Smart Corner?

The old building has been demoed

It's the new community fishing pond. As far as I can tell anyway. There might eventually be a 6 story apartment building there but rumor has it they found an unexpected extra fault line when they dug the hole. The Salvation Army owns the south half of the lot and seems to be trying to pull a fast one on the city and have a junkyard/donated car lot paved for them. The developer of the fishing pond agreed to pave it in exchange for renting their lot during construction.
There's been no notice about the junkyard parking lot sent out.

[Streamliner]

^^^ Anybody know what's that project across Park Blvd from Smart Corner?

The old building has been demoed

Are you talking about 13th and C, on the block north of Broadway? It's the site of the old Gen Lai Sen chinese restaurant. Here's some info from a previous post (2015) about it:

13th, Park, and C.
Willmark Communities
117 Units
6 stories
Rentals; Mixed Income
~9,600 sqf retail
Dog Park on roof.

This is another one of the many projects approved way back before the recession and the dissipation of the old SDRA in 2012. It's now finally seeing the light after a redesign.

There's virtually no information on this project that I could find. The stats shown here I pulled from many different sites of research. I think the San Diego Daily Transcript has a photo here but there's a paywall.

http://www.sddt.com/reports/article.cfm?RID=1069&SourceCode=20140722czc&_t=East+Village+property+changing+to+apartments+soon

http://www.sddt.com/images/news/2014/07/22/0722CZCWEB.jpeg

[mello]

Are you serious that the discovery of a fault line could stop a project? Doesn't SF, LA, Tokyo etc build on top of fault lines all the time? Why does SD make such a big issue about all this? I don't think the fault lines downtown are major I mean all of Morena Blvd through Rose Canyon is built up and the 5 runs right on top on it through there isn't that where an actual major fault line is located?

[Streamliner]

Cool video about revitalizing the blocks surrounding 6th and Robinson in Hillcrest.

170125758

https://vimeo.com/170125758

[SDCAL]

Cool video about revitalizing the blocks surrounding 6th and Robinson in Hillcrest.

170125758

https://vimeo.com/170125758

Hillcrest, North Park, Bankers Hill areas do have exciting things going on; I really hate the way they feel so disconnected from downtown even though they are geographically close by - I really wish we had a trolley network connecting downtown and the mid city area.

[Northparkwizard]

Cool video about revitalizing the blocks surrounding 6th and Robinson in Hillcrest.

170125758

https://vimeo.com/170125758

Looks great to me but the Uptown Planning Group might have a collective heart attack when they see this density/height and fight it until their last, dying breathes.

[dtell04]

Are you serious that the discovery of a fault line could stop a project? Doesn't SF, LA, Tokyo etc build on top of fault lines all the time? Why does SD make such a big issue about all this? I don't think the fault lines downtown are major I mean all of Morena Blvd through Rose Canyon is built up and the 5 runs right on top on it through there isn't that where an actual major fault line is located?

No not a single fault line. Sorry I could have been more clear. They found an additional fault line they didn't expect. I guess they have to re-engineer the foundation for that reason. It was supposed to be a split building running over the known fault line.

[spoonman]

Bosa's PCH & Broadway tower going up.

Credit to SDUrban.
http://sdurban.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_1908-768x1024.png
http://skyvillagerealty.com/real-estate/wp-content/gallery/pacific-highway-broadway/Bosa-PCH-Broadway-Parcel-9-Condos.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

Nice!

Kettner and Ash is now a giant hole. ::cool:

[The Flying Dutchman]

It's the new community fishing pond. As far as I can tell anyway. There might eventually be a 6 story apartment building there but rumor has it they found an unexpected extra fault line when they dug the hole. The Salvation Army owns the south half of the lot and seems to be trying to pull a fast one on the city and have a junkyard/donated car lot paved for them. The developer of the fishing pond agreed to pave it in exchange for renting their lot during construction.
There's been no notice about the junkyard parking lot sent out.

Regarding this site, I forget who, someone on this forum posted that they had ran into an archaeological discovery of some sort. That said, I walk by the site almost daily and there is zero activity that I can see. I'm just as frustrated as you guys.

The site that was leased by the Salvation Army as storage for their trailers has been vacated and is the future site of the Smarts Farm, which in turn is being relocated for a small work/live development on the corner of F and 15th: http://x.lnimg.com/photo/poster_1920/d16793d118334c1a9515f14989ebbd7c.jpghttp://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19551576/15th-F-Street-San-Diego-CA/ LOL@ the rendering showing cars going the wrong way (the white Prius)

This block will also see the addition of the new 10 Barrel brewery:
http://www.caloansource.com/wp-content/uploads/10-Barrel-Brewing-Co-proposal-East-Village-San-Diego-642x250.jpghttp://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/mar/16/big-beer-invades-east-village/

Smarts Farm: https://communitygarden.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/High-Tech-Elementary_playshot1-550x345.jpghttp://humanesmarts.org/farm/
This farm grows produce that is served @ Smarts Cafe: http://www.yelp.com/biz/smarts-cafe-san-diego

I visit this forum everyday, and live downtown. What I'm trying to stress that is that East Village is becoming a bonafide neighborhood, and we must remember that, despite our love for development for development's sake. ;)

Sorry for bad formatting, I'm not good at this.

[S.DviaPhilly]

Alexan in East Village is coming along - looks like the underground parking is done and they are working on the tower above ground!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/IMG_3700_zps40xnrruj.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Spiewak/media/IMG_3700_zps40xnrruj.jpg.html)

Eastern edge of Ballpark Village...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e338/Spiewak/IMG_3701_zpst8lhlz9q.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/Spiewak/media/IMG_3701_zpst8lhlz9q.jpg.html)

[SDfan]

^^ Thanks for the construction updates. I believe we have 4 towers going up in the East Village now. Alexan, BPV, that one tower next to Pinnacle, and I believe Pinnacle's twin. I'm crossing my fingers that 7th & Market and Park & Market start before this cycle dips. Then we'll have some great density going up in EV.

[mello]

^^^ I would be so pissed if we missed out on 7th/12th and market because they were city owned parcels and lagged so damn hard on getting them permitted and green lit that we miss out on them this cycle. That would be very tragic. If those were private lots they would have been almost finished by now what is the city's damn problem these are game changers let's roll?

Regarding other EV projects so is Alexan what was supposed to be library tower back in the day or is that another tower? I thought that one was all set to go with Luke Daniels and his development partners.

[SDCAL]

^^^ I would be so pissed if we missed out on 7th/12th and market because they were city owned parcels and lagged so damn hard on getting them permitted and green lit that we miss out on them this cycle. That would be very tragic. If those were private lots they would have been almost finished by now what is the city's damn problem these are game changers let's roll?

Regarding other EV projects so is Alexan what was supposed to be library tower back in the day or is that another tower? I thought that one was all set to go with Luke Daniels and his development partners.

Me too, especially 7th/Market. For us who have been on here for years, we can remember the previous planned developments for this site that had renderings for things never came to fruition; the last one I think had to do with a conflict of interest of the then head of CCDC. In retrospect I think it was good because the current proposal looks much better - is there a projected ground break date for 7th/market ?

[Streamliner]

Regarding other EV projects so is Alexan what was supposed to be library tower back in the day or is that another tower? I thought that one was all set to go with Luke Daniels and his development partners.

Alexan (pictured below) is across the street to the east of the project that was supposed to be the Library Tower.

http://jexh1kujdl2rjoqlfrvego6i.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/The-Alexan.jpg

[mello]

So then what is going on with that 24 floor project that is approved on the Library Tower site? When is that going to get rolling, I thought it was a go :shrug:

[HurricaneHugo]

Man wasn't Library Tower supposed to be like 45 stories tall?

:(

[The Flying Dutchman]

Broadway "The Block"? Anyone? :grumpycat:

[nezbn22]

Broadway "The Block"? Anyone? :grumpycat:

Bosa bought that site before any building could commence. I have not heard any plans about what Bosa plans to do. Presumably, he'll wait until his other towers are up and sold out before doing anything there. With how much downtown land he owns, he essentially controls the condo building market by being able to limit supply.

[spoonman]

^Yeah, that is really unfortunate. "The Block" is, in my opinion, one of the most important projects downtown. It will help to clean up a pretty trashy area of downtown and will add more height to the area between the gaslamp and core/financial district.

[mello]

Why do all these guys always sell out to BOSA? I don't get it tons of projects going on in DTLA why don't some of those big players come down here and try to challenge the Bosa hegemony on DTSD? The market looks solid you would think someone else besides him would try to come in here and do big things.

[spoonman]

We had years of major development while nothing happened in DTLA. Would be nice to see other major players though besides Punnacle and Bosa.

[IconRPCV]

Hillcrest, North Park, Bankers Hill areas do have exciting things going on; I really hate the way they feel so disconnected from downtown even though they are geographically close by - I really wish we had a trolley network connecting downtown and the mid city area.

Me too, I do not understand why the trolley doesn't go up park blvd or up the median of the 163. It makes absolutely no sense to me. It would connect 2 of SD's entertainment districts, and when people drink they take mass transit, not to mention the tourists who would use it as well.

[SDCAL]

Me too, I do not understand why the trolley doesn't go up park blvd or up the median of the 163. It makes absolutely no sense to me. It would connect 2 of SD's entertainment districts, and when people drink they take mass transit, not to mention the tourists who would use it as well.

It's really interesting you mention the 163. I had always thought of the trolley going up Park, and had never really thought of the 163 until a few days ago driving on 163 out of downtown and thinking a trolley line could go up the center. I realize both a Park or 163 line would have their challenges, but would be such a great addition to link the central core together.

[HurricaneHugo]

Not sure if linking from FB works but here's an update of the Pendry hotel

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13708431_10104088320030714_2543765495036638936_o.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

Roscoe's coming to Barrio Logan:

http://sandiego.eater.com/2016/7/26/12217384/roscoes-house-of-chicken-and-waffles-san-diego-barrio-logan

[Northparkwizard]

Roscoe's coming to Barrio Logan:

http://sandiego.eater.com/2016/7/26/12217384/roscoes-house-of-chicken-and-waffles-san-diego-barrio-logan

Is it still considered gentrification when a black-owned, foodie-popular, LA restaurant moves into a traditionally hispanic San Diego neighborhood?

[The Flying Dutchman]

Is it still considered gentrification when a black-owned, foodie-popular, LA restaurant moves into a traditionally hispanic San Diego neighborhood?

:philosoraptor:

[embora]

They're stating construction on a parking garage in front of Terminal 2. One thing that I learned was that they say they're going to start work on replacing Terminal 1 in the next few years.



Airport parking garage starting construction

Parking Plaza due outside Terminal 2 in 2018

By Roger Showley | 5:08 p.m. July 25, 2016

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/25/airport-parking-lindbergh/

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/07/26/B88163753Z.1_20160726190813_000GQFP7H9R.3-0_r900x493.jpg?122770e84b36f1c039d5c4c2ca15c2d8bc4ecd52

[The Flying Dutchman]

Cisterra/7th & Market/Ritz wins final design approval:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/27/ritz-carlton-whole-foods-housing-approved-downtown/

"Barring an appeal to the San Diego Planning Commission, all that is left before construction can begin is City Council approval of a comprehensive agreement spelling out the terms and scope of the housing, hotel and office development. That agreement already has been approved by the Civic San Diego board of directors, which oversees downtown development."

"While Cisterra already has consented to a labor agreement that would ensure the hiring of union workers for the construction of the project, it has been unable to persuade Ritz Carlton and Whole Foods to commit to doing the same."

"Unite Here organizer Rick Bates said he does not know yet whether the union would appeal the Civic San Diego action."

It sounds like everyone is ready to go, barring any union-led opposition.

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/07/27/B88165102Z.1_20160727210429_000GNNPAUOS.3-0_r900x493.jpg?122770e84b36f1c039d5c4c2ca15c2d8bc4ecd52

[staplesla]

Is it still considered gentrification when a black-owned, foodie-popular, LA restaurant moves into a traditionally hispanic San Diego neighborhood?

What does one's color have to do with gentrification?:hell:

[spoonman]

What does one's color have to do with gentrification?:hell:

Let's try not to start racial arguments here. We can save that for HRC and BLM.

[spoonman]

Cisterra/7th & Market/Ritz wins final design approval:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/27/ritz-carlton-whole-foods-housing-approved-downtown/

"Barring an appeal to the San Diego Planning Commission, all that is left before construction can begin is City Council approval of a comprehensive agreement spelling out the terms and scope of the housing, hotel and office development. That agreement already has been approved by the Civic San Diego board of directors, which oversees downtown development."

"While Cisterra already has consented to a labor agreement that would ensure the hiring of union workers for the construction of the project, it has been unable to persuade Ritz Carlton and Whole Foods to commit to doing the same."

"Unite Here organizer Rick Bates said he does not know yet whether the union would appeal the Civic San Diego action."

It sounds like everyone is ready to go, barring any union-led opposition.

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/07/27/B88165102Z.1_20160727210429_000GNNPAUOS.3-0_r900x493.jpg?122770e84b36f1c039d5c4c2ca15c2d8bc4ecd52

Crossing fingers that there is no further pushback on this project.

[spoonman]

Another picture of 7th and Market. Courtesy of Cisterra Development.


https://larahamm.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/7th-and-market-ritz-carlton.jpg

[tyleraf]

A great addition to San Diego. I can't wait to see this rise! Hopefully this won't have too many obstacles.

[spoonman]

At this angle 7th and Market reminds me of Wells Fargo Center in DTLA


https://www.laconservancy.org/sites/default/files/styles/hero_partial/public/images/heroes/WellsFargo_MichaelLocke.jpg?itok=vD9OMcyv

[OneRinconHill]

It has such a weird massing...personally the hole in the middle just doesn't make sense.

[SDCAL]

A great addition to San Diego. I can't wait to see this rise! Hopefully this won't have too many obstacles.

I think it's pretty much up to the city council since it's city owned land and seems like they are mostly in favor of it. This parcel has been immersed in all sorts of drama for years with scandal with the former CCDC head, my guess is even the city wants this developed soon. But this IS San Diego, so I won't rest easy until it breaks ground :).

[embora]

In case you're following the Chargers stadium proposal in East Village: At 10 am TODAY in the Central Library there will be a presentation of an alternative. According to this article, it would include space for housing, offices, retail/restaurants, and a flexible meeting space that could be used for conventions, academic classrooms, and community events.




East Village South: Non-Stadium Plan Revealed

Roger Showley - SDUT

As the Chargers’ $1.8 billion stadium-convention center heads toward the November ballot, an alternate vision will be presented Saturday for downtown’s East Village.

The so-called “East Village South Focus Plan” envisions apartment towers, high-tech start-ups, innovation-economy office compounds, new parks and plazas and maybe a convention annex or arena.

“It’s a long-term plan,” said downtown architect Rob Quigley, designer of the Central Library and outspoken critic of the stadium proposal because of its potentially negative impact on surrounding properties and East Village life. “Our attempt is to try to create a very thoughtful, solid plan that accommodates lots of uses. We believe it will be market driven. The idea is to get multiple developers versus one developer doing everything.”

...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/29/east-village-plan/

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/07/29/B88168996Z.1_20160729190942_000G7APL6N3.2-0_t837.jpg?5df2a6e0ac564ff4ddc2702f3c8561935b88c24b

[Northparkwizard]

In case you're following the Chargers stadium proposal in East Village: At 10 am TODAY in the Central Library there will be a presentation of an alternative. According to this article, it would include space for housing, offices, retail/restaurants, and a flexible meeting space that could be used for conventions, academic classrooms, and community events.

Rob Quigley must have TONS of time and money to waste thinking about how to develop other peoples property. Homeboy should have put his two cents in on all the shitty buildings that are already built in "East Village".

The irony of this line laughable, "The idea is to get multiple developers versus one developer doing everything.”


So now he's presenting this idea in a public space that he was paid to be lead architect on... umm that's not how you get new ideas Robert. All hail the great presenter of alternatives...

[SDfan]

Rob Quigley must have TONS of time and money to waste thinking about how to develop other peoples property. Homeboy should have put his two cents in on all the shitty buildings that are already built in "East Village".

The irony of this line laughable, "The idea is to get multiple developers versus one developer doing everything.”


So now he's presenting this idea in a public space that he was paid to be lead architect on... umm that's not how you get new ideas Robert. All hail the great presenter of alternatives...

It's a heck of a lot better than an empty stadium, unwanted convention center anex, and walling off Barrio Logan and other disadvantaged from downtown. It's also a bigger economic engine, promoting affordable housing and higher paying 21st century jobs over minimum wage concession stand workers, while not giving a fat tax break to a billionaire. :tup:

Go Chargers (to LA)! :cheers:

[SDCAL]

Rob Quigley must have TONS of time and money to waste thinking about how to develop other peoples property. Homeboy should have put his two cents in on all the shitty buildings that are already built in "East Village".

Umm the same could be said about Spanos - why should a billionaire football owner be dictating how the city solves our convention center issues. Does Spanos and the Chargers have some expertise in the convention center industry that we don't know about? Their joke of a plan gives no specifics on how the convention center would be operated or even details on the design specifics. It was thrown-on to this shitty plan as a gimmick to up his chances of building his tax-subsidized football stadium Downtown. I can't wait to see this go down in flames in November. It's pretty funny that you try and paint Quigley as some greedy sociopath, yet you presumably support Spanos, one of the greediest sociopaths around lol

[Bertrice]

Never going to happen. If the chargers stadium doesn't go there it will still be a bus yard for a decade or more. Why not put that 20+ million dollar pedestrian bridge to use.

[OneRinconHill]

Either way I hope something like that building "L" is constructed...it looks really cool!

[sixonenine]

Hey everyone, here is a video with about 30 new projects in TJ, some of which are already under construction.

https://youtu.be/056ymhuqnY8

[ScottSD]

The dig for the parking garage at Pinnacle on the Park has started!

The cranes in the background of the picture are for Ballpark Village (three) and Alexan East Village (one with American Flag).

https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8780/28069473454_5848a55b49_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JLpowS)
Pinnacle on the Park (https://flic.kr/p/JLpowS) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

Also, another project on the left side of 5th Avenue, called Atmosphere.

Thanks for telling me the project name The Flying Dutchman.

https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7523/28654420916_1018d874cc_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KE6p2W)
Atmosphere (https://flic.kr/p/KE6p2W) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

[SDCAL]

I was reading a Times of SD article with Doug Manchester talking about downtown re-development, and this quote jumped out:

"Of course, there is always more work that needs to be done. We need to have the Civic Plaza and Civic Theatre redeveloped, Horton plaza reimagined, and new city council offices 750-feet tall."

http://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2016/07/28/doug-manchester-my-thoughts-on-san-diegos-downtown-bayfront/

City council offices 750 feet tall? Is this a reference to breaking the height limit? If so, why would it have been said in relation to city council offices? As far as I know there is no current proposals or plans to re-build the city administration offices. Also, the city admin offices are in central downtown, I would think a 750 footer would need to be in the far corner of East Village, if at all, due to further from the airport. Anyway, it's probably just Manchester talking out of his a**, but thought I'd post to see if anyone has heard anything about officials starting to explore >500 ft towers and/or plans for a new building for city offices?

[The Flying Dutchman]

Notice he is talking about a 40-year timeframe. Still, can't fault Manchester for having some vision (of which we could use more of here in SD)

Recall SD's Civic Center Plaza lease-to-own deal in 2015 for city employees (a 20 year deal): http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/jan/26/real-estate-deal-civic-center-plaza/

The U-T article, interestingly, doesn't mention that Civic Center Plaza is owned by Cisterra: http://cisterra.com/projects/more-projects/civic-center-plaza/

I suspect Manchester is referring to a potential redevelopment of Civic Center Plaza and a VERY potential redevelopment of the SD Int. Airport and/or the FAA height limits.

Pie in the sky? Maybe. A lot can happen in 40.

[The Flying Dutchman]

That 2nd Pinnacle tower is of special note since I believe it is supposed to be a condominium tower, not rentals. Of course, they could pull a Vantage Pointe and do a complete 180. Should help to clean up that area quite a bit.

http://sandiegourban.properties/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/pinnacle2.jpg

The project on 5th that ScottSD was referring to is Atmosphere: http://www.wakelandhdc.com/communities/projects/atmosphere

http://www.latitude33.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2.-Rendering-2.jpg

[Northparkwizard]

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[Northparkwizard]

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[SDfan]

Hey everyone, here is a video with about 30 new projects in TJ, some of which are already under construction.

https://youtu.be/056ymhuqnY8

Holy! Those projects are awesome! Damn San Diego and it's restrictive regulatory hurdles!