SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[Alan in Clairemont]

Here is a link to a demolition timelapse video of the Navy Broadway Complex (at least the main building)...I haven't been downtown recently to see how much progress they have made with the smaller building this was filmed from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WezyRGaEpZI

[JerellO]

I find Civita to be a missed opportunity to actually build a neighborhood where retail, restaurants, etc occupy the ground floor of residential buildings. Instead, it’s just all residential throughout the area. A friend of mine lives in Frame & Focus and every time I go visit I get sad that even though it’s kinda walkable, there aren’t any retail options. You have to cross the street to the complex where that Ralph’s is at.

[SDfan]

Here is a link to a demolition timelapse video of the Navy Broadway Complex (at least the main building)...I haven't been downtown recently to see how much progress they have made with the smaller building this was filmed from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WezyRGaEpZI

This is neat. Now if only they could fine investors...

[SDfan]

I find Civita to be a missed opportunity to actually build a neighborhood where retail, restaurants, etc occupy the ground floor of residential buildings. Instead, it’s just all residential throughout the area. A friend of mine lives in Frame & Focus and every time I go visit I get sad that even though it’s kinda walkable, there aren’t any retail options. You have to cross the street to the complex where that Ralph’s is at.

Eh. It doesn't bother me so much, mainly because they still have walkable access to retail now, and there is going to be a major retail component built eventually within the project. Plus I'm not sure what types of retail would be viable besides convenience stores at this point.

[embora]

I drove by that lot today and noticed it was fenced off. Last time I drove buy it, there was no fence. Then again, the California Theatre has been fenced off for over a year with no sign of construction, so who knows if it means anything.

The fence around Broadway Block has been extended to enclose more space on 8th and 7th avenues.

Also, I noticed a fence around 11th and Broadway.

[SDfan]

The fence around Broadway Block has been extended to enclose more space on 8th and 7th avenues.

Also, I noticed a fence around 11th and Broadway.

Haha fencewatch

[The Flying Dutchman]

There's been a fence around Park/C/Broadway for how many years now?

[Boatguy619]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4551/38636124302_eb75d96e1c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21S9eGb)DSC_0153 (https://flic.kr/p/21S9eGb) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/)

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[Streamliner]

Excellent pictures Boatguy!

In North County coastal news, a coastal hotel in Encinitas appears to be back:


Coastal timeshare project resurfaces after decade on hold
Barbara Henry
November 27, 2017
San Diego Union-Tribune Article (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-no-encinitas-hotel-20171122-story.html)

A proposal to put a hotel timeshare project on one of the last remaining vacant coastal bluffs in Encinitas is being revived a decade after it was knocked back by the Great Recession.

"We're moving forward," Dan Reedy, manager and member of Surfers Point LLC, said Tuesday as he discussed his long-delayed development proposal.

Plans call for the construction of three buildings containing a total of 26 hotel-like, timeshare units, plus a club house, a pool and a spa on the nearly 2-acre site on the northeast corner of La Costa Avenue and Coast Highway 101.

[superfishy]

I love the the blue/grey look the skyline has in those pictures. Gives it a really modern tone

[The Flying Dutchman]

Beautiful photos :tup:

[IconRPCV]

I love the new Bosa tower! Wish it and One America Plaza were at least 700'!

[HurricaneHugo]

Yeah a 700 footer and a couple of 600 footers would really bring the skyline together

[dtell04]

Thought on the SDSU proposal? Seems like tax payer funded soccer city to me.

[Boatguy619]

Thought on the SDSU proposal? Seems like tax payer funded soccer city to me.

I'd rather see an epic college atmosphere here than a semi pro soccer team. Soccer city was a fun idea at first but I think most residents would lose interest after a few years.

[HurricaneHugo]

How many new classes and student housing does SDSU have?

[SDFC]

Thought on the SDSU proposal? Seems like tax payer funded soccer city to me.

I completely agree. As I remember it, SDSU's major complaints, and reasoning for backing out of the Socccer City plan, were stadium size and lack of space for campus growth. Now the SDSU plan ads about 5k seats to the stadium for an extra $100 million (a 67% increase) and very little classroom/campus space. :koko: I think FS can now argue two things...told you so and what gives?!

Also, the SDSU "plan" is really no more than a vision right now. They better give us more (legally binding) details or else it will be an easy vote for me next November.

[spoonman]

As an outsider's opinion on this, I have some ill will toward SDSU after they did nothing to help fund their portion of an NFL stadium and are now trying to make a land grab and dictate terms on this piece of property to which they have no claim. Some of you may disagree with this viewpoint, but that is my perception of this. I say this as someone who dislikes Spanos and more recently, the NFL. I'm not a fan of giving money to Spanos by a longshot, but SDSU didn't make what happened any easier.

[SDfan]

As an outsider's opinion on this, I have some ill will toward SDSU after they did nothing to help fund their portion of an NFL stadium and are now trying to make a land grab and dictate terms on this piece of property to which they have no claim. Some of you may disagree with this viewpoint, but that is my perception of this. I say this as someone who dislikes Spanos and more recently, the NFL. I'm not a fan of giving money to Spanos by a longshot, but SDSU didn't make what happened any easier.

I'm an SDSU alum and I agree with this position. I don't like how entitled SDSU has come off on in this situation.

[mello]

The Block has begun demolition was just at Krisp market last night and its underway so hopefully BOSA can construct this and his other tower at the foot of Broadway at the same time. Really hoping Pinnacle starts with their huge Broadway Project soon. Oh the guy at Krisp also said that the large Pre War Office tower at 7th and Broadway is being converted to residential, has anyone else heard this? It's the largest old office building in the City quite a behemoth.

-- What is up with that Farkas Supply crappy ass parcel on 8th and F I believe? It is a one floor building covering a huge lot seems like that should be going bye bye very soon.

And why doesn't the city just convert the old libarty into hipster techie office space or tear that squat thing down already?

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

11th and Broadway looks active, has looked active for about a week or so. It looks like they're gutting/prepping the old 2 story apartment building for relocation and there is heavy machinery sitting on site, presumably to start tearing out the parking lot and start digging.

The Broadway building you're talking about, between 6th and 7th is being renovated for residential use, I heard that rumor about a year ago?

Farkas Displays is probably going to stay there forever. That building is an eyesore but it is a good example of early cast-in-place concrete, it's pretty intricate if you get up close to it but the way it is painted now makes it look bland. The ugly metal screens over the window don't help either. They were probably put in place long before East Village got re-zoned from industrial to residential/mixed-use. Now that there are residents and more nightlife around the area they should put some money into updating the windows and paint scheme, it doesn't have to look like a prison for display cases.

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

Oh, and the city put a call out for new proposals for the old Central Library after rejecting the previous proposals. The deadline for proposals is January 31st 2018.

[mello]

You have got to be kidding me about Farkas it totally causes a dead zone in that area and it needs to go. Has anyone every heard of any proposals for that property? Is a business actually operating there? Looks likes it been shuttered for years. Thanks for 11th and Broadway update. That Center cut of downtown will really fill in nicely with height (2 Broadway Projects, and the 2 Market St. Projects!)

[S.DviaPhilly]

The Block has begun demolition was just at Krisp market last night and its underway so hopefully BOSA can construct this and his other tower at the foot of Broadway at the same time. Really hoping Pinnacle starts with their huge Broadway Project soon. Oh the guy at Krisp also said that the large Pre War Office tower at 7th and Broadway is being converted to residential, has anyone else heard this? It's the largest old office building in the City quite a behemoth.

Just walked by today and excited for the demolition!

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[mello]

I also read on a SD Biz journal site that the entire block that holds New School of Architecture and some other ramshackle crappy structures from the 40's and 50's was sold a few months ago for 34$ dollars to a major developer. The school's lease ends in 2020 so look for plans to come out soon for that block and demo to start right when the lease ends.

[superfishy]

Does anyone know whats happening with the project next to City College where the old Chinese restaurant used to be? There's been a hole in the ground there for months with no apparent progress. If I remember correctly, it was just supposed to be a low-rise apartment building.

[embora]

Does anyone know whats happening with the project next to City College where the old Chinese restaurant used to be? There's been a hole in the ground there for months with no apparent progress. If I remember correctly, it was just supposed to be a low-rise apartment building.

Last I heard, the low-rise, which was to have two buildings (one on either side of an earthquake fault zone) was contemplating increasing the height of the eastern building from the 6+/- story original proposal to something much taller. I think it was 36 or 26 stories. There was also something about the developer having sold to another developer. This is what someone wrote on this thread. That was months ago, and I have no intel newer than that ... and the construction site continues to sit there.

[superfishy]

Interesting, and glad they're considering extra height for that site. Combined with the smart corner condos and the 11th and Broadway, we'll start seeing some density around there.

[Xavier Cage]

Prominent groups looking into building downtown San Diego arena
By Kevin Acee
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-acee-arena-downtown-san-diego-joe-tsai-1218-story.html

The article mentions 3 groups looking into building an arena

The Padres
Henry Samueli - Owner of the Anaheim Ducks & San Diego Gulls
Joe Tsai - Co-founder of Alibaba & owner of NLL San Diego Seals


The article also mentions that the groups may be willing to work together on a new arena. I hope they do. I have always dreamed of another NBA franchise coming to San Diego. It would be the perfect fall/winter sport to replace the Chargers leaving. It would actually feel like San Diego has year-round sports again.

[The Flying Dutchman]

To quote the article (one of the developers) "It has gotten interesting".

It only takes 50%+1 to pass a private ballot initiative, now, folks. Remember this in your future years.

[IconRPCV]

I would gladly support either a NBA or NHL team. The Gulls make a nice name for either.

[embora]

Just walked by today and excited for the demolition!



Here's coverage of Broadway Block, and preceding demolition, in the SDUT:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-bosarent-20171221-story.html

According to the article, the current projection is for the project to be open in the second half of 2020.

[eburress]

Prominent groups looking into building downtown San Diego arena
By Kevin Acee
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/columnists/kevin-acee/sd-sp-acee-arena-downtown-san-diego-joe-tsai-1218-story.html

The article mentions 3 groups looking into building an arena

The Padres
Henry Samueli - Owner of the Anaheim Ducks & San Diego Gulls
Joe Tsai - Co-founder of Alibaba & owner of NLL San Diego Seals


The article also mentions that the groups may be willing to work together on a new arena. I hope they do. I have always dreamed of another NBA franchise coming to San Diego. It would be the perfect fall/winter sport to replace the Chargers leaving. It would actually feel like San Diego has year-round sports again.

It's a wonder a new arena hasn't already been built but I'm definitely in favor of one happening now, and hopefully it would lure an NBA and/or NHL franchise to SD. As it is, the Sports Arena (or whatever they're calling it these days) is an embarrassment.

[ScottSD]

Happy New Year Everyone!

After visiting the San Diego International Auto Show on Sunday, I decided to walk around downtown and visit some of the new construction.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/38710836554_d62e21de61_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21YKa3s)
Ballpark Village (https://flic.kr/p/21YKa3s) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4638/38711543274_096d933982_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21YNM8h)
Ballpark Village (https://flic.kr/p/21YNM8h) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Alexan ALX (https://flic.kr/p/21YKa7A) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4591/39418783031_cf032a3d2a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/234iySc)
Unnamed Project at 460 16th Street (https://flic.kr/p/234iySc) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Unnamed Project at 460 16th Street (https://flic.kr/p/J7EtgV) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/39419347981_247bb88013_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/234msNH)
K1 (https://flic.kr/p/234msNH) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4726/25549354198_e3011cda3f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EVH7SS)
Pinnacle on the Park - Tower 2 (https://flic.kr/p/EVH7SS) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Pinnacle on the Park - Tower 2 (https://flic.kr/p/DpCJAH) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Pinnacle on the Park - Tower 2 (https://flic.kr/p/J7EA7Z) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Pinnacle on the Park - Tower 2 (https://flic.kr/p/21YKab3) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Unnamed Project at 372 4th Avenue (Old Cost Plus World Market) (https://flic.kr/p/DpCMnz) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

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Unnamed Project at 372 4th Avenue (Old Cost Plus World Market) (https://flic.kr/p/EVH8kf) by Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/130854680@N03/), on Flickr

[Streamliner]

Happy New Year Everyone!

After visiting the San Diego International Auto Show on Sunday, I decided to walk around downtown and visit some of the new construction.


Thanks for the thorough update ScottSD! All of these projects are looking really good! Excited for the new Pinnacle twin to rise, I didn't realize it was that far along already.

[superfishy]

Thanks for the thorough update ScottSD! All of these projects are looking really good! Excited for the new Pinnacle twin to rise, I didn't realize it was that far along already.

Red & Yellow: The McDonald's towers!

Why couldn't they have been blue or something...:slob:

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

Ever since the first renderings came out, I refer to the Pinnacle buildings as Ketchup and Mustard (bottles).

I wonder what happened to the Electrolux warehouse redevelopment plan, anyone know?

I think it was also called Laundry Tower or something at one point. It's that warehouse across the street on Island Ave, and 15th (across from Pinnacle's Ketchup bottle building) where they were going to restore the historic brick facade of half of that warehouse space and incorporate it into the residential tower's podium design.

[mello]

Cool pics I just am praying this economic cycle holds steady for another year and a half so we can see 7th and Market, 11th and Broadway with the 40 floor addition built out, Last BOSA tower on PCH in front of OAP go in, and Manchester PAC Gateway. I think those projects combined with what is already UC will give us a pretty respectable skyline. But if economy tanks it could scuttle a few of those projects.

What do you guys think about the 5th ave landing project en lieu of the CC expansion? Looks like those guys are pushing hard to get their hotel built.

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

I don't see why it has to be one or the other. To me it seems both could occur but the developers don't want to entertain the idea of collaborating.

The hotel seems like a recycled version of the convention center expansion, added a hotel, eliminated convention center space, and privatizes the whole thing. Instead of expanded convention center space and public rooftop gardens it would be a rooftop pool and gardens for the hotel and ballrooms probably.

One good thing the convention center does is afford an elevated viewing deck to appreciate the view of the bay. The hotel basically blocks the view of the bridge from the public.

If this is going to be a public vote for one or the other I'd vote for the convention center expansion. The public loses big if it just becomes another hotel. Privatization of prime public space while simultaneously degrading public amenities.

[spoonman]

Cool pics I just am praying this economic cycle holds steady for another year and a half so we can see 7th and Market, 11th and Broadway with the 40 floor addition built out, Last BOSA tower on PCH in front of OAP go in, and Manchester PAC Gateway. I think those projects combined with what is already UC will give us a pretty respectable skyline. But if economy tanks it could scuttle a few of those projects.

What do you guys think about the 5th ave landing project en lieu of the CC expansion? Looks like those guys are pushing hard to get their hotel built.

The 5th Ave landing hotel is great IMO as it is quite tall and right on the water. Would look great from the Coronado Bridge.

Regarding skyline "respectability", I agree that those projects you outlined would be great additions especially given their locations. Also, I'd say that IMO, SD's skyline is quite respectable even in spite of the height limit. I've been on this forum for longer than I care to admit and have seen the skyline go from lacking to fairly impressive. This is a big accomplishment considering the height limit. I'd go out on a limb and say that we're getting close to the point where new projects won't add much more to the skyline unless they are taller (than the height limit) or are in locations that add significant visual impact (along the water, near the Coronado Bridge, EV, etc). I guess you could say the plateau is moving eastward.

[superfishy]

The combination of the two would be amazing. I think it would be the most futuristic looking part of SD.
https://www.trbimg.com/img-57bc2aef/turbine/sdut-bayfront-convention-hotel-hostel-proposed-2016jan15

http://sdccblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/SDCC-Expansion.jpg

Plus the new Seaport Village project just a short walk down the boardwalk

https://www.trbimg.com/img-57b89e0a/turbine/sdut-seaport-spire-jacobs-san-diego-2016jul13


In addition the the Manchester Gaetway project..

https://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/news/tease/2017/04/06/06.jpg

Then this just across the street.

https://www.trbimg.com/img-57bd4297/turbine/sdut-bosa-condos-pacific-highway-design-civic-2015sep16




The bayfront could be looking quite nice a few years from now..

[SDCAL]

Cool pics I just am praying this economic cycle holds steady for another year and a half so we can see 7th and Market, 11th and Broadway with the 40 floor addition built out, Last BOSA tower on PCH in front of OAP go in, and Manchester PAC Gateway. I think those projects combined with what is already UC will give us a pretty respectable skyline. But if economy tanks it could scuttle a few of those projects.

What do you guys think about the 5th ave landing project en lieu of the CC expansion? Looks like those guys are pushing hard to get their hotel built.

When is 7/Market supposed to break ground? The developer won the lawsuit in October, are they just twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if there is an appeal? When I think of how many years and years and years that prime spot has been an ugly surface parking lot it makes me angry. And a block away, the upscale grocery Market Hall closed. I wonder if they did poor business or did they decide to get out because the new Whole Foods in the 7th/Market project would be just a block away?

[SDCAL]

What do you guys think about the 5th ave landing project en lieu of the CC expansion? Looks like those guys are pushing hard to get their hotel built.

Both would be the best but if it was a choice I’d choose the expansion. Better for the city/economy/future convention business in my opinion, and the large rooftop park with public access would be a really good waterfront amenity.

[The Flying Dutchman]

We haven't even seen any formal proposal from the City re: CC exp. but I will be likely voting for this too. Way more economic impact, although I have nothing against hotels. With the SDSU proposal qualifying for this year's ballot, I'm hoping that will pass too. It's not perfect (zero legally binding details other than merely the first right of sale) but Universities are another proven economic generator (By orders of magnitude).

[SDfan]

We haven't even seen any formal proposal from the City re: CC exp. but I will be likely voting for this too. Way more economic impact, although I have nothing against hotels. With the SDSU proposal qualifying for this year's ballot, I'm hoping that will pass too. It's not perfect (zero legally binding details other than merely the first right of sale) but Universities are another proven economic generator (By orders of magnitude).

Agreed. I'm not in love with the SDSU proposal, but it has the right housing unit count, and it's a big economic generator.

Also, great pics everyone! Love the updates and the proposals.

[mello]

I haven't heard anything about 7th and Market I will give Roger Showley at the UT a call this week regarding that. The rendering superfishy posted of CC expansion looks like part of that grassy area in front of the Hilton is being taken up. Too bad that is off limits and they couldn't do the hotel and expand the CC on those couple acres...

Regarding the SDSU plan and Soccer City here is what I don't understand. I want to see SDSU expand just like everyone else. Why can't they simply lease out the office space Soccer City plans to build? It will be way cheaper for them. What is a college campus it is essentially office space so why can't the two parties work together SC has the big hedge fund bucks to get it up and running quickly with SDSU simply coming in to lease the space as they need it seems like such a logical compromise that benefits everyone.

[Streamliner]

Here's a waterfront development that I don't think has been really discussed and will be a great addition to the bayfront:

New Summer Pops bayfront venue would seat 2x more people
Jeanette Steele
January 4, 2018
Article Link (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-symphony-summer-pops-permanent-stage-20180104-story.html)

A new final environmental report describes a shell-like structure with aluminum bones and a plastic skin that would perch at the tip of Embarcadero Marina Park South, projecting music toward an audience of up to 10,000 seated on a grassy slope.

....

About 6,000 cubic yards of soil would be graded to create a slope for main audience seating, which would be removable chairs.

That 2.3-acre slope of lawn is expected to be made of synthetic turf — the first allowed use of “fake grass” by the Port of San Diego. It is considered an environmentally friendly choice, officials said.

The project would bring the loss of 61 trees on the site, but also new public bathrooms, renovated basketball courts and a public viewing deck on the back side of the stage that some have dubbed the “Sunset Steps.”

Four new public bathrooms would remain open at all times, and 64 new stalls would be available for performance patrons.

Most of the site would be open to the public when events are not being held. The exception would be the stage and back-of-house facilities, box office and food pavilions, which would be partially surrounded by an 8-foot fence.


http://www.trbimg.com/img-5a4d4a6f/turbine/sd-1515014762-2705kzeln0-snap-image/750/750x422

[Boatguy619]

Wish it had actual seats and attracted more than just jazz. SD lacks a good concert venue. Coors/ cricket wireless/ sleep train/ mattress firm/ whatever they call it amphitheater is the only decent one but its in Chula Vista :yuck: I'd love to see something similar to the Jay Pritzker Pavillion in Chicago's Millennium park. That would be epic for this spot. This whole Seaport plan disappoints me, except for the public docks, we need more of those all around the bay!

[CaliNative]

Ballpark Village building isn't shown, neither is the new courthouse tower. Maybe there are other tall buildings not shown. Get to work artists.

Also, is the 2nd Pinnacle tower under construction in east village a twin of the 1st (45 stories), or will it be a different height and design?

[SDCAL]

I haven't heard anything about 7th and Market I will give Roger Showley at the UT a call this week regarding that. The rendering superfishy posted of CC expansion looks like part of that grassy area in front of the Hilton is being taken up. Too bad that is off limits and they couldn't do the hotel and expand the CC on those couple acres...



Please do and let us know what Mr Showley says. Mr Showley was on KPBS round table program yesterday (you can access the audio through KPBS website or the video through the KPBS ap in Apple TV). There was a long discussion on speculation of what will happen to Horton Plaza now that Westfield sold it to a European company. One “newsworthy” thing Mr Showley said was that he talked to people connected to the Manchester project and they will be breaking ground mid-year this year; he didn’t say anything about the Ritz project though.

On a separate note, I live in EV and pass by the Park and Market project daily; yesterday the fence was open and many trucks were hauling out dirt, it looks like the site is excavated deep, so we should start seeing that one rise soon. I think the UCSD annex Downtown will be huge for EV

[embora]

... also, I saw the historic building on the 11th & Broadway site has been shortened to only one story, as they continue to disassemble it. I understand that disassembling this is the first step, and that they will reassemble it (about 50' (?) to the south), as part of the project. That's what the developer said at a presentation, way back when.

[HurricaneHugo]

East Village from the sky, from Reddit user Pagosha:

https://i.redd.it/8h7ej1auwo801.jpg

I don't know an easy way to resize the picture.

[mello]

Has anyone heard that the Searport Village redo has been delayed. I think we were all assuming it would start right when the lease runs out in September of this year but I've been seeing in recent articles in the UT that it won't actually begin until 2020 or something. I'm pissed, I want to get that thing going sooner and hope a recession doesn't delay it. What have you guys heard?

[Streamliner]

Ballot initiative for convention center expansion, homelessness launched
San Diego Union-Tribune
Lori Weisberg
January 8, 2018
Link to Article (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/sd-fi-convention-initiative-20180108-story.html)

- The measure, targeted for the November ballot, would raise $6.4 billion over 40 years, with the revenues raised divvied up among the expansion project, homelessness initiatives and road repairs.

- The bulk of the revenues would go for an expansion project costing as much as $685 million, but $2 billion would be set aside for homeless services and permanent housing.

- An estimated $600 million would be spent on repairing roads

- The hotel tax, now at 12.5 percent (including a 2 percent tourism marketing surcharge), would be raised by 1.25 to 3.25 percentage points, depending on how close hotels are to the downtown convention center.

- The coalition supporting the initiative effort includes hotel owners, business leaders, labor unions and homeless advocates.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Has anyone heard that the Searport Village redo has been delayed. I think we were all assuming it would start right when the lease runs out in September of this year but I've been seeing in recent articles in the UT that it won't actually begin until 2020 or something. I'm pissed, I want to get that thing going sooner and hope a recession doesn't delay it. What have you guys heard?

My guess is nothing will happen until the Port Master Plan Update is certified by the California Coastal Commission in 2018.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Re: 5th Ave Landing and today's news of a CC expansion..

If voters were to pass the hotel hike measure, the city would be able to rely on a previous approval by the California Coastal Commission of a then $520 million expansion. Attorney Cory Briggs later filed suit challenging the approval, claiming it violated state environmental laws, but a judge rejected his suit, and Briggs has since appealed.

CA direct democracy laws are CONSTITUTIONAL and overrule all else.

[spoonman]

Does anyone have a link to a live webcam downtown that you could share? There used to be a few positioned around the city where you could view developments in progress.

[Northparkwizard]

17th & G Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/17th-G-Plans.pdf)

Hampton Inn, 9th & Island Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/EV-9th-Island-Plans_12.11.17_reduced.pdf)

Pinnacle 11th & E Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Pinnacle-Plans_10.16.17.pdf)

[superfishy]

Pinnacle 11th & E Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Pinnacle-Plans_10.16.17.pdf)[/QUOTE]

Ooo, 41 floors. That'll be a nice addition to that area, and it doesn't look bad at all in my opinion.

Also, I noticed in the street plans, they are showing a proposed 43 floor residential in the adjacent lot between 10th and 11th. Any idea what that looks like?

[SDfan]

Ooo, 41 floors. That'll be a nice addition to that area, and it doesn't look bad at all in my opinion.

Also, I noticed in the street plans, they are showing a proposed 43 floor residential in the adjacent lot between 10th and 11th. Any idea what that looks like?

I believe that is the Bosa project. I'm really hoping Pinnacle will develop the 32-story twins next. We need some height diversity out in the north EV.

[SDfan]

17th & G Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/17th-G-Plans.pdf)

Hampton Inn, 9th & Island Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/EV-9th-Island-Plans_12.11.17_reduced.pdf)

Pinnacle 11th & E Drawings (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Pinnacle-Plans_10.16.17.pdf)

Thanks for posting!

[mello]

SD Fan: The 32 floor twins are already going up that has started. This 41 floor across the street I am not sure. Does anyone know if they have started site prep for that tower?

The 43 floor tower is not the Block Bosa project that is 7th/8th not 10th. I have no idea which one that is referring to.

[superfishy]

I believe that is the Bosa project. I'm really hoping Pinnacle will develop the 32-story twins next. We need some height diversity out in the north EV.

I thought the 32-story twins shown was 11th & Broadway, which is being developed by Pinnacle right?

[SDfan]

SD Fan: The 32 floor twins are already going up that has started. This 41 floor across the street I am not sure. Does anyone know if they have started site prep for that tower?

The 43 floor tower is not the Block Bosa project that is 7th/8th not 10th. I have no idea which one that is referring to.

Nice, and you're right. I think it might be one of the taller towers being proposed out there. I'll have to look back on some earlier renders I posted some months back.

[SDfan]

I thought the 32-story twins shown was 11th & Broadway, which is being developed by Pinnacle right?

Correct.

[Nerv]

Re: 5th Ave Landing and today's news of a CC expansion..

If voters were to pass the hotel hike measure, the city would be able to rely on a previous approval by the California Coastal Commission of a then $520 million expansion. Attorney Cory Briggs later filed suit challenging the approval, claiming it violated state environmental laws, but a judge rejected his suit, and Briggs has since appealed.

CA direct democracy laws are CONSTITUTIONAL and overrule all else.

Isn’t Mr. Briggs now in the awkward position of being outed for what he really is? Seems he might have a tougher time going forward anyway.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/dec/28/sanction-involving-san-diego-attorney-cory-briggs-/

[Nerv]

Has anyone heard that the Searport Village redo has been delayed. I think we were all assuming it would start right when the lease runs out in September of this year but I've been seeing in recent articles in the UT that it won't actually begin until 2020 or something. I'm pissed, I want to get that thing going sooner and hope a recession doesn't delay it. What have you guys heard?


Even before the fault line issue I thought it was always a 2020/2021 start time? Starting right after the lease period would have been pretty optimistic for a project this size.

https://archpaper.com/2018/01/san-diego-seaport-development/#gallery-0-slide-0

[eburress]

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/18/amazon-reveals-top-20-city-candidates-for-its-second-hq/?utm_source=tcfbpage&sr_share=facebook

LA made Amazon's "cut" but that's it for CA. Otherwise it's many of the usual relocation suspects, including Boston and Atlanta, which some think are the front runners.

[JerellO]

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/18/amazon-reveals-top-20-city-candidates-for-its-second-hq/?utm_source=tcfbpage&sr_share=facebook

LA made Amazon's "cut" but that's it for CA. Otherwise it's many of the usual relocation suspects, including Boston and Atlanta, which some think are the front runners.

I’m thinking Texas, Denver, or Toronto. Maybe Miami??

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

If you look of the map of the 20 cities, the density of choice cities favors the North East, especially near D.C. I predict that Amazon wants to have more governmental influence.

[eburress]

If you look of the map of the 20 cities, the density of choice cities favors the North East, especially near D.C. I predict that Amazon wants to have more governmental influence.

Yeah, it sure seems that way, with three of the sites all being in close proximity to DC. Jeff Bezos also recently purchased a home in the DC area, for what it's worth.

[Boatguy619]

Not the best day for photos, but noticed the new Pacific Gate lit up and had to take some photos, its subtle but I'm a sucker for light features. Heres also Savina, and 520 Ash progress, Carte Hotel's crane has gone up just to the left of 520 Ash.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4614/25915636428_a2284cb56b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Fu5pPJ)thumbnail (https://flic.kr/p/Fu5pPJ) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/), on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4602/28009667499_f60ae1cb98_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JF7SiH)thumbnail-1 (https://flic.kr/p/JF7SiH) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/), on Flickrhttps://farm5.staticflickr.com/4648/39077838774_3681b6c1e0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22xb91W)thumbnail-3 (https://flic.kr/p/22xb91W) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/), on Flickr

[JerellO]

I had no idea pacific gate was lit

[Boatguy619]

Drastically changed the look of the skyline at night. It's a lot brighter than it appears in the photo I posted. I'll see if I can take some night shots this week.

[Streamliner]

Drastically changed the look of the skyline at night. It's a lot brighter than it appears in the photo I posted. I'll see if I can take some night shots this week.

Thanks for the pics! Yeah a night shot would be great, it's hard to see in the daytime. It's just the long white line down the side of the building, right? It's nice, it highlights the slenderness of the tower, which is good for our skyline.

[The Flying Dutchman]

I saw the light a few nights ago...I think it's too bright, to the point of drowning out the background. To make matters worse, it's hidden from certain angles (unlike, say, Emerald Plaza, which is visible 360 degrees). It might look better when both towers are completed, or when Manchester finishes his project, but I don't know. What do others think? I suggest seeing it in person. :shrug:

[CaliNative]

I’m thinking Texas, Denver, or Toronto. Maybe Miami??

My guess would be the Washington D.C. area (including norther VA or MD suburbs) might be the one, with Austin or Dallas being a second choice. Washington has the advantage of being near Mr. B's Wash. Post plus being close to the government that makes decisions that matter for 'Zon like taxes, anti-trust etc.

[staplesla]

Drastically changed the look of the skyline at night. It's a lot brighter than it appears in the photo I posted. I'll see if I can take some night shots this week.

Tonight I looked but it wasn’t lit up.

[Streamliner]

Tonight I looked but it wasn’t lit up.

Maybe they are still tweaking/testing it. By the way, is this building officially open yet?

[staplesla]

Maybe they are still tweaking/testing it. By the way, is this building officially open yet?

Some of the units had lights on but it’s still under construction. I just called the Pacific Gate office at they told me the building still has a few more months of construction before people can move in.

[Streamliner]

Some of the units had lights on but it’s still under construction. I just called the Pacific Gate office at they told me the building still has a few more months of construction before people can move in.

Thanks! I drove by it last night by chance, and I see they are still installing the public artwork at the base. Looking good. I got a crappy picture of the lighting element:

https://i.imgur.com/e8smyGt.jpg

[staplesla]

Thanks! I drove by it last night by chance, and I see they are still installing the public artwork at the base. Looking good. I got a crappy picture of the lighting element:

https://i.imgur.com/e8smyGt.jpg

I actually like the brightness. Projects like this will eventually force other buildings to upgrade their lighting. And I think San Diego needs it. I travel often for work and though I think we have one of the prettiest skylines, we have one of the dullest skylines at night. More creative lighting creates more vibrancy and security.

[The Flying Dutchman]

and a distraction for pilots

[Streamliner]

I actually like the brightness. Projects like this will eventually force other buildings to upgrade their lighting. And I think San Diego needs it. I travel often for work and though I think we have one of the prettiest skylines, we have one of the dullest skylines at night. More creative lighting creates more vibrancy and security.

I agree, it didn't seem too bright, though I'm curious to see what it looks like from Shelter Island. I think the white is perfect for this building. I think it's classier than the red/green we see on other buildings.

[staplesla]

and a distraction for pilots

Because they have such a problem landing in cities with brighter lights? (Tokyo, Hong Kong, NYC, Paris, etc).

Most of the flight is automated these days base on the IRL, not pilot control.

[SDfan]

Riverwalk Gold Course redevelopment added 300 homes to the original 4000 proposed. Looking to get approvals set over the next two years, construction beginning in 2020, with a 10-15 year timeline for completion.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-riverwalk-submitted-to-city-20180126-story.html#nt=oft12aH-2la1

[mello]

Just got off the phone with the head Engineer for Irvine Company at One America Plaza and I'm happy to say that damn thing will finally be lit up properly with a crown similar to US Bank Tower in LA he said. Unfortunately he said it has taken years for some reason I couldn't really understand but it will be finished this year :cheers:

[spoonman]

^ That's awesome news, Mello.

[BuildSanDiego]

I think the lighting on the, Pacific Gate building is fantastic. It looks like a lightning bolt at night. It's dramatic from a distance. Especially flying into San Diego International at night.

[Boatguy619]

Didn't one America plaza use to have the crown lit up? Old photos of the skyline at night show this. Wonder why it stopped. I went to take photos of the skyline last night but forgot my memory card :/ I'll get some tonight if the lights are on. The lights look good but it'd be nice if they pulsated or did something similar to the new Wilshire grand in LA. We have too many neons and yearly Christmas lights around town.

[Boatguy619]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4756/39210495554_3d6d7550ef_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22JU3fN)36x12 (1 of 1) (https://flic.kr/p/22JU3fN) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/), on Flickr

[eburress]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4756/39210495554_3d6d7550ef_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22JU3fN)36x12 (1 of 1) (https://flic.kr/p/22JU3fN) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/), on Flickr

Man, if only the city had moved the airport to Miramar when it had the chance(s)...

[CastleScott]

Man, if only the city had moved the airport to Miramar when it had the chance(s)..

For sure and by now I bet SD would almost be California's version of Miami (in a ways it is now with shorter buildings)..

Gorgeous pic btw-thanks!!:cheers:

[staplesla]

Seaport makeover to begin in 2021, conclude in 2024-2025.

https://archpaper.com/2018/01/san-diego-seaport-development/

[dboakland]

I don't think the City ever really did have a chance to move the Airport to Miramar. The DOD was not about to let it go.

[Streamliner]

So I think the Pacific Gate lighting looks best at sunrise. Courtesy of reddit user RandyWe2:

https://i.redd.it/0u7ls7bwr7d01.jpg

[SDfan]

I don't think the City ever really did have a chance to move the Airport to Miramar. The DOD was not about to let it go.

It did in the 90's, back when the Navy was divesting heavily, it offered the base to the city for some ridiculously low number. The city balked for reasons and the DoD transferred it to the Marines.

[eburress]

It did in the 90's, back when the Navy was divesting heavily, it offered the base to the city for some ridiculously low number. The city balked for reasons and the DoD transferred it to the Marines.

They offered it to San Diego for $1.00.

[mello]

They offered it to San Diego for $1.00.

The one dollar give away deal was either in 1949 right after WWII or 1953 when Korean War ended. The 90's deal SDfan is referring to is not familiar to me can you provide a source for that or explain in more detail?

[Boatguy619]

Even if SAN moves, NAS North Islands flight path is directly over downtown. Those are first time helo pilots buzzing the Hyatt. The planes landing at SAN aren't the issue. SD will never see a 500+ footer downtown until both airports are gone and that will never happen. I'm not sure why this is never brought up with the weekly hight limit discussion here. https://saferandquieter.com/images/index-actual.jpg