SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[SDCAL]

Unfortunately I don't think Manchester Pacific Gateway will sufficiently fill the skyline gap as viewed from Harbor or Shelter Island because the tall towers are on the North End of the project. I have recently walked on both Shelter/Harbor Islands and there will still be a sizeable gap because the buildings on the South end of Manchester Project are stubby.

I think 7th and Market might fill the gap from Shelter Island but it will be blocked from view on Harbor Island. In fact from Shelter 15th St. Pinnacle tower is actually filling in the gap a bit because it is so tall. Someone should go to the Bali Hai and take a zoomed in shot of the skyline from that vantage point you are truly looking straight on at the CBD from the bay not angled of kilter at all.

Speaking of 7th/12th Market PLEASE break ground soon before some crazy economic/war uncertainty happens and delays them. Stop lagging City of SD and get those damn projects started :yes:

I'm nervous about 7th/Market too. Any updates on when it might break ground? It's really depressing seeing the site across the street that was supposed to be another hotel turned into another surface lot.

As long as we have the 500' limit, we'll have the plateau effect. Meanwhile, in SF salesforce, the tallest building, (overtaking transamerica tower) topped out at 1070 ft (more than twice as high as our OAP :( ). The views from it are pretty incredible though: http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/06/salesforce-tower-61-stories-tall-tops-off-in-san-francisco-as-the-citys-tallest/

Maybe someone on here who is a real estate agent can confirm my theory, but it seems like downtown condo buyers in San Diego are becoming more "height conscious". I live in a 7 floor condo building and not one, not two, but three people in my building have told me they are selling because they want to move into a taller building on a high level floor. For a long time many people buying downtown seemed content with these mid-rise developments, but lately it seems like more demand for the true high rises. Anyone else sense this?

[SDfan]

Maybe someone on here who is a real estate agent can confirm my theory, but it seems like downtown condo buyers in San Diego are becoming more "height conscious". I live in a 7 floor condo building and not one, not two, but three people in my building have told me they are selling because they want to move into a taller building on a high level floor. For a long time many people buying downtown seemed content with these mid-rise developments, but lately it seems like more demand for the true high rises. Anyone else sense this?

I don't know about recent trends, but I do remember a long form article in the Reader about the SD skyline which had an interview with Nat Bosa himself. He was frustrated by the height limit, but was resigned to it nonetheless. Miami, Las Vegas and Boston have all had the political leadership to challenge the FAA on their height limits, but our leadership seems content on the issue. Midrise developments seem poised to continue, unless there really is a market swing upwards.

[SDfan]

New Mission Valley development near Fashion Valley. I've been waiting for this proposal for years when I read about the initial land purchase.

http://landcapip.com/portfolio/first-road-project/

[Kenchiku desu]

It's a thoughtful, good-looking design for a very tough site to work with. Those units will be nice and the buildings will represent a big step up for Mission Valley.

My only criticism is the developer presentation with the one slide that shows a terrace with the Mt. Sutro TV tower in the background -- must be a 500-mile-visibility day!

[SDFC]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2846/33746487362_ce60087ca0_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tq4yZ1)20170406_1422061 (https://flic.kr/p/Tq4yZ1) by kevinbeatty (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29362128@N08/), on Flickr
while out on the boat yesterday I shot this photo near harbor island. how I imagine pacific gateway will fill in the skyline

Thanks for the visual! From that vantage point it looks like the Marina Gap could be filled in nicely. :cheers:

Like others have said I almost cant believe this is actually moving forward. I have been (not so) patiently waiting since I moved DT in 2008!

[eburress]

The plateau is almost complete... wuhahaha (evil laugh)

[SDfan]

The plateau is almost complete... wuhahaha (evil laugh)

:haha::haha::haha:

[mello]

I called J Street Hospitality the developer of Canopy Hilton Hotel that is just putting in a parking lot they said they can not comment on anything right now and will probably let Roger Showley at the UT know when they have anything to report. I don't get it Hotels in SD are on Fire right now I can't believe they aren't moving forward.

Just spoke with a source at CCDC in the planning Dept: 12th Market is a go for construction starting this summer.

7th Market: Tied up in some sort of litigation I guess with those same damn unions that killed the Chula Vista Bayfront Gaylord project. Don't the judges see through this damn crap by now and understand these F**ks are holding back the economy and job creation!!! He said they have brought some CEQA suit blah blah and he can't comment on anything right now.

He hope the litigation is processed quickly and the tower can break ground end of this year early next. Stay tuned.

[superfishy]

Just spoke with a source at CCDC in the planning Dept: 12th Market is a go for construction starting this summer.


Anyone have any renderings of 12th and Market?

[Lipani]

Anyone have any renderings of 12th and Market?

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/news_uploads/education-hub2.jpg

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/news_uploads/education-hub.jpg
UC San Diego News Center (http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/uc_san_diego_extension_to_open_innovative_cultural_and_education_hub)

There are also a few more here (http://www.carrierjohnson.com/works/park-and-market/). It's supposed to be completed at some point in 2020.

[SDfan]

I called J Street Hospitality the developer of Canopy Hilton Hotel that is just putting in a parking lot they said they can not comment on anything right now and will probably let Roger Showley at the UT know when they have anything to report. I don't get it Hotels in SD are on Fire right now I can't believe they aren't moving forward.

Just spoke with a source at CCDC in the planning Dept: 12th Market is a go for construction starting this summer.

7th Market: Tied up in some sort of litigation I guess with those same damn unions that killed the Chula Vista Bayfront Gaylord project. Don't the judges see through this damn crap by now and understand these F**ks are holding back the economy and job creation!!! He said they have brought some CEQA suit blah blah and he can't comment on anything right now.

He hope the litigation is processed quickly and the tower can break ground end of this year early next. Stay tuned.

Thanks for the updates! I'm worried about 7th and Market. I've been reading a lot of reports about real estate contraction, and have noticed a trickle of projects coming through Civic as of late. Hopefully this is all related to election jitters and not a larger trend.

[Streamliner]

Thanks mello for the update, and Lipani for finding those renderings!

The 12th and Market project is the one that will take over the temporary Quartyard project. A lot of people are mad about that, but I'm happy to see a tower (though it's not the most attractive), and the UC San Diego extension replace it. Hopefully the Quartyard people find another site to and do something similar.

[spoonman]

Love the architecture of 12th & Market. Very International-Style/Mid-Century

[S.DviaPhilly]

Thanks mello for the update, and Lipani for finding those renderings!

The 12th and Market project is the one that will take over the temporary Quartyard project. A lot of people are mad about that, but I'm happy to see a tower (though it's not the most attractive), and the UC San Diego extension replace it. Hopefully the Quartyard people find another site to and do something similar.

I heard a rumor that Quartyard is relocating to the empty lot next to Alpha Square on the southeast corner of 13th and Market and will include that house right there as well...fingers crossed!

[Northparkwizard]

499 West Ash complete drawings. (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/499-West-Ash-Drawings_03.10.17.pdf)

http://imgur.com/a/T3LsF

[mello]

499 West Ash complete drawings. (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/499-West-Ash-Drawings_03.10.17.pdf)

http://imgur.com/a/T3LsF

Is this the Little Italy Tower that's underconstruction next to that best western or is this another project? There are so many hard to keep track. If this is a new one when is it set to break ground? :cheers:

[superfishy]

Wow, I was expecting 12th and Market to be another one of those 7-story lowrises. It completely flew under my radar.

It might just be me, but it seems like development in the city has really taken off. Almost too many projects to keep track of. I think another full list of all projects with their renderings and status is in order. Any volunteers?

[Boatguy619]

What happened to the development map on SD urbdezine? Anything similar, and updated around?

[Lipani]

A few construction shots of projects near the Embarcadero today:

Pacific Gate:

What a gem this one is turning out to be!

http://i64.tinypic.com/powec.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/2ynhr3r.jpg

Intercon:

Slowly rising...

http://i67.tinypic.com/2qjyjcg.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/nejj8p.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/t6ayqt.jpg

Navy Broadway Complex demolition:

Seeing this monstrosity get destroyed is going to be one of the best things, ever.

http://i68.tinypic.com/125mhz9.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2rcwtbl.jpg

And Savina:

It won't be as pretty as Pacific Gate, but a welcome addition nonetheless

http://i68.tinypic.com/rjdtex.jpg

[BrandonJXN]

Can we have a rundown of what's under construction and proposed in SD?

[Northparkwizard]

Whoops, I guess my photos didn't load from the other day. Here's a couple renderings for 499 West Ash.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2909/33857735912_f761aefba5_c.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2892/33171838474_0dd0c9319e_b.jpg

[Streamliner]

A few construction shots of projects near the Embarcadero today:

Pacific Gate:

What a gem this one is turning out to be!

http://i64.tinypic.com/powec.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/2ynhr3r.jpg

...

Navy Broadway Complex demolition:

Seeing this monstrosity get destroyed is going to be one of the best things, ever.

http://i68.tinypic.com/125mhz9.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2rcwtbl.jpg


Great photo update Lipani, Pacific Gate is beautiful! And to think that it will soon be hidden by the NBC Complex, which is finally happening. Nice to see the demo work there. If I worked in those buildings, I'd be really happy to see them demolished. They look like horrible places to work in.

[Leo the Dog]

Pacific Gate is turning out to be a great project. Right now it's probably the second best high rise in all of SD just behind the iconic America Plaza.

[Lipani]

Can we have a rundown of what's under construction and proposed in SD?

Any volunteers? The first post of this thread hasn't been updated in 3 and a half years. A lot has changed since then.

[superfishy]

Whoops, I guess my photos didn't load from the other day. Here's a couple renderings for 499 West Ash.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2909/33857735912_f761aefba5_c.jpg



The density of that is awesome. So 499 W. Ash comprises of that whole block or just one of those parcels?

[mello]

That block right there is how all of downtown should look! :cheers: Nice and dense and no more midrise 7 story BS. Like SDFan said buyers want to be up high like Vancouver they want real views and to feel like they are in a big city. There is something about being up high that people crave.

[Northparkwizard]

The density of that is awesome. So 499 W. Ash comprises of that whole block or just one of those parcels?

Looks like the project is an entire city block, four different buildings.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/34021699475_1bb51aec5d_z.jpg

[HurricaneHugo]

Kinda reminds me of the walled city of Kowloon. :)

[IMBY]

Pacific Gate is turning out to be a great project. Right now it's probably the second best high rise in all of SD just behind the iconic America Plaza.

I'm the sucker of all suckers for curved glass buildings!

[IMBY]

^ One of the bright sides of Bertrice getting banned is that we can talk about TJ projects without a racist troll again. :haha:

Hopefully TJ's building boom will include more projects closer to the border. The only one within walking distance of San Ysidro, I believe, is the New City expansion under construction.

I've probably said it before in another post, not sure, but I'd love to see San Ysidro built up, with a corresponding build up on the other side of the Border.

Haven't been to TJ since last summer, but I believe they were just finishing the 3rd tower of their New City Complex, and am curious to see if they've found enough buyers to add a 4th tower. I believe they are 30 stories tall! It's nice to see the towers looking out from Revolution Avenue, adds a nice urban touch!

Would be curious to see what their views are from those towers looking north? With a flat landscape, perhaps they can see downtown San Diego! I've been up on the highest hills there and you get a knockout view looking North!

Would like to know something about the buyers. How many buyers from San Diego and buyers from Tijuana or elsewhere? Wouldn't surprise me if there's some more adventuresome seniors that spotted it out as a retirement place. Best of both worlds. On Medicare, which is not accepted in Mexico, need medical care? Just walk to the Border and head for Kaiser or wherever!

[Streamliner]

I've probably said it before in another post, not sure, but I'd love to see San Ysidro built up, with a corresponding build up on the other side of the Border.

Haven't been to TJ since last summer, but I believe they were just finishing the 3rd tower of their New City Complex, and am curious to see if they've found enough buyers to add a 4th tower. I believe they are 30 stories tall! It's nice to see the towers looking out from Revolution Avenue, adds a nice urban touch!

Would be curious to see what their views are from those towers looking north? With a flat landscape, perhaps they can see downtown San Diego! I've been up on the highest hills there and you get a knockout view looking North!

Would like to know something about the buyers. How many buyers from San Diego and buyers from Tijuana or elsewhere? Wouldn't surprise me if there's some more adventuresome seniors that spotted it out as a retirement place. Best of both worlds. On Medicare, which is not accepted in Mexico, need medical care? Just walk to the Border and head for Kaiser or wherever!

Whatever happened to that Duty-Free project proposed in San Ysidro back in 2014? I assume its dead. For a building that's mostly a parking garage, it looked pretty cool.

Article (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sdut-san-ysidro-border-crossing-ueta-duty-free-2014jun09-story.html)

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57ce431e/turbine/sdut-a-private-mixed-use-project-at-20160905/750/750x422

[Lipani]

I've probably said it before in another post, not sure, but I'd love to see San Ysidro built up, with a corresponding build up on the other side of the Border.

No doubt that there's poor planning on both sides of the border. Can't speak for TJ, but SD has made some recent baby steps. On the same day as the California Theatre vote the city unanimously approved the Otay Mesa Central Village Specific Plan. I think it's supposed to be around 4000 homes:

M.W. Steele is currently the master planner/ designer for a Specific Plan for 227 acres in the southernmost community of the City of San Diego.

The Central Village Specific Plan is a mixed-use urban village in the Otay Mesa Community developed around a neighborhood school, parks and a connecting “green street.”

It is planned as a highly walkable, compact design with bicycle facilities and BRT Transit. A mix of housing product types will ranges from 2-story townhomes to four-story “wrap” buildings.

We identified community-serving retail at two “pulse points” and gateways into the village, creating a Main Street experience.

With more than a 2 miles of active trails around dedicated open space and canyon preserve areas, the Otay Central Village will connect to the natural canyons and sweeping views that surround it.

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/763982/Slide_Photos/Otay_central_slider.jpg

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/763982/Slide_Photos/Otay_central_slider_2.jpg
http://www.mwsteele.com/otaycentralspecificplan

[superfishy]

I was just at the Sharp Hospital near Otay. I saw a lot of construction from the top of the parking structure as well as some construction at the hospital itself. I asked a RN about it and she mentioned a 7 story building was being built which will house a cafeteria on the top floor with panoramic views.

[IMBY]

Good news! Good news!:tup:

[joemamma]

Wow, this project wants to jump 30 stories.


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[tyleraf]

Wow, this project wants to jump 30 stories.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/C0j2n89S8JMDD7T7HBJQu2jeUZpvpMcsx3OyvJcwLiw7yvas3mS6Rx2Ir3xjflH5TDNLPoWaWWnH1AHJT_fDK5dhGN8hRZg8vWk0LeHaCNJl3Vgzi-cUFhhQeGVD5IkxODNKA04Sjq6MO_NJPTKhdXUkUWhsVV4_KhBoJJZVut1aCOJ4Nch4cCaN3VhdFDwKruEEhFt5YK3w9rAeVaH02fCNouj_tPUFELWkPvKOcgwMKHcvgRZWK5EfL0HdOg99R3a_qEtzgwEK_v2o8IwgeQz20U3Ma-dAWm_PTXwrBqjWQAq3Ne-2M5rPanrSB5C5vKlqGIGTwUJhuE2hcr1KPeF7F_voiNqm3H-4FnPhU-f1Qc67OSg_5iHKey_hfRMyEwbgx5X2sY0_B3gabiGPHAtZwWgTQJeyfvd_vO1Kpl-tbqoQB5-I_heTrV4OPx6uvj3_3gAsCkt1r9cmLAZbWCqbgJ-zwa237ox915Whw_TEtXHsMVbLd9Y7IX0PvjSPfK6lyBpza87qxm-nbMNqc-dgbqAtKYz5fgbDL9Mxo1KwqtLARd061cdn4zh5sHHHGO8k5L4YXBj1R1mYlrDT-FIEz1ervsrlG-fbl-LpBKy-PE1h6d9xJA=w969-h950-no
That is a major improvement over the current 6 story box that they have planned!

[The Flying Dutchman]

Wow, this project wants to jump 30 stories.


Thank GOD. :tup:

[Lipani]

Here's a draft for the Morena Corridor Specific Plan:
https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/pc-17-034.pdf

[Northparkwizard]

Here's a draft for the Morena Corridor Specific Plan:
https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/pc-17-034.pdf

This is project is good, I guess.

However, I still find it difficult to understand why the MTS ignores destinations like our AIRPORT, city beaches, and dense neighborhood core.

Who exactly is going to use the Clairemont Mesa Blvd stop? What is the MTS smoking and can I have some?

Linda Vista will now have 2 trolley stops within 3600 feet of each other? I must be missing something. Bay Park residences have created coalitions of NIMBYs to fight things like this meanwhile communities that would embrace and celebrate it are left out.

Who knows.

[JerellO]

This is project is good, I guess.

However, I still find it difficult to understand why the MTS ignores destinations like our AIRPORT, city beaches, and dense neighborhood core.

Who exactly is going to use the Clairemont Mesa Blvd stop? What is the MTS smoking and can I have some?

Linda Vista will now have 2 trolley stops within 3600 feet of each other? I must be missing something. Bay Park residences have created coalitions of NIMBYs to fight things like this meanwhile communities that would embrace and celebrate it are left out.

Who knows.

Completely agree.. we need rail going through neighborhoods surrounding balboa park

[Lipani]

I agree with both of you. The problem with the Trolley is that it doesn't really go anywhere special besides downtown, the border, the Q (which will be torn down in a couple years), and SDSU. The only bright side of the Linda Vista station is that the same line will go to UCSD and UTC.

[joemamma]

That is a major improvement over the current 6 story box that they have planned!

Anything is better than the current mosquito village - lol. Not sure how 36 stories will be designed with fault line going through property. I am guessing they will still split it like last design - two buildings. Anyone know what is the fate of the rest of this property? Is East Village Firehouse proposal no more?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QuEAP30tWsU3GmAD7Q7T_O1JE5TWAT96m830eRTBBo_bFcGSkHm5TRzFGQovh0kmgVluzCQt2stU_GhK9t3Cu79wLGIq5PMEyIoRrPhkRp-h4_OibRuclEHm3Uw5rDH4w869lBCx_reI4hW6pM5SzrKpsGeXwgFk1G74Km_ZiupqoP4C3ppZlLmE9ZflzuR-bRzC9CtN5TP3WD0hU6yvfUQ3yCOSBdoQyBaGshPiR6_KKrdjdsUNDlJuys1iSVKhaH_upj5240EnvHvsr-6oX7CxFZMQfoKYSvsyOMWPcVSBcqvGjzrsJw5pq2-k5SExF5wP9cfC3Sn3YOvZV6FZJnOA4_4X27I-w1ZXLThCkc8peUgdG2BFJMZTATp34gNryIgsyKyasv7PjYEi9NF2wPE2fFwc6WsYve8o1rdyfr2F7vUWqz5j09K-wJIyS1Ufyu3i85QPAhSxYVH-_SR-8RldGo66CV3A0JovgtSV_FG8opxazVjVlReL7GeqVUg4WiryaRyAWN78Md8YY_gBIvabi_rY5x4rEBhOXnkCcV3edX9sJtJx2QnstT6Ngil3ZRofDwzJ7MXgRtZQtjRMt8xywPQhWpPSSppAf8U9khija3S2ivBwJQ=w1279-h959-no

[joemamma]

Latest look viewing East. IDEA 1 and second pinnacle tower (aka ketchup) I know. What are other two that are going up? Thanks.


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[joemamma]

First Makers Quarter building.


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[SodaPopinski]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-DOO7xVwAA9G-W.jpg

[Leo the Dog]

Ballpark Village has an ominous presence looming from within PetCo. What a great project!

[HurricaneHugo]

How many more feet does Ballpark Village have to rise?

[mello]

I can't believe we haven't heard anything about JMI building that hotel on the parcel right in front of Ball Park Village in the pic above ^^

I really think we must be on the cusp of an Arena announcement for Tailgate Park. I walked behind BP Village and the whole Tail Gate park and it really is such a no brainer for an Arena. Plus the NBA and MLB schedules have basically zero overlap so parking underneath the Arena could be used for Padre games.

The Qualcomm Sons are probably speaking with the NBA Commissioner behind the scenes about adding a team in SD and Seattle it really is a perfect fit. Stretch the league to 32 teams and to to 8 (4 Team) divisions like the NFL. A metro area of our size and influence having just one major sports team is an absolute joke and a GIANT VOID.

With all the Gulls games too the Arena would be very active and maybe eventually the Ducks would move there.

[Lipani]

How many more feet does Ballpark Village have to rise?

It's supposed to be 37 stories/400 feet, so probably about another 60 feet to go.

[Boatguy619]

I can't believe we haven't heard anything about JMI building that hotel on the parcel right in front of Ball Park Village in the pic above.

JMI won't build the hotel on that lot if the convention center is expanded next to the bay. They wanted to develop the lot into a hotel and convention center with a walk way connecting to sdcc instead. Seems like a better option in my opinion, especially if there's no taxes

[Streamliner]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-DOO7xVwAA9G-W.jpg

Cool picture obviously taken from the Bayfront Hilton. Does anyone know if there any publicly accessible areas up there or was this taken froma room? I'd ask SodaPopinski, but they're banned already (Bertrice, is that you?)

[HurricaneHugo]

Does anybody know if this building U/C is topped out?

http://i.imgur.com/8DSbKls.jpg?1

[The Flying Dutchman]

Does anybody know if this building U/C is topped out?

That's 460 16th St. from Lennar, which will be 21 stories among a 5 story base.

"Civic San Diego also approved the design and related permits for Lennar Multifamily Communities’ proposed 21-story tower and five-story mid-rise, mixed-use residential development at 460 16th St. in the East Village. Designed by Carrier Johnson Inc., the development would include 368 studio, one- and two bedroom apartments and about 19,000 square feet of commercial space. Construction would begin early next year"

http://www.sandiegometro.com/2015/10/daily-business-report-oct-5-2015/

http://www.sandiegometro.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/460-16th-Street.jpg

[Lipani]

Cool picture obviously taken from the Bayfront Hilton. Does anyone know if there any publicly accessible areas up there or was this taken froma room? I'd ask SodaPopinski, but they're banned already (Bertrice, is that you?)

Judging from the view, there are some conference rooms at about that level (although they aren't publicly accessible).

[aerogt3]

BALLPARK VILLAGE IMAGE

A really nice image for highlighting how crazy it is that we don't have a rail crossing for park street, especially as that part of EV grows quickly :-(

I am curious how the PUC determines that 8th street pedestrian crossings are ok but would be intolerably OMG NOOOO dangerous at park blvd....

[spoonman]

^^ THIS.

The pedestrian bridge is a perfect example of how the city uses band aids to solve larger problems, which ends up costing more in the long run.

The airport is another.

The trolley routing through Mission Valley (as opposed to Mid City) is another.

The trolley going near, but not to the airport is another.

[The Flying Dutchman]

There are plans to reconnect Park Blvd. to Harbor Dr. It will happen.

[SDfan]

List of projects for downtown Oceanside: https://www.mainstreetoceanside.com/downtown-projects

Lots of 6-7 story residential and hotel projects.

[aerogt3]

There are plans to reconnect Park Blvd. to Harbor Dr. It will happen.

Yes, there have been plans for almost two decades. But for some reason, the government agencies involved have decided that pedestrians crossing the tracks at park blvd. MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS. Including, 28M for the bridge, and millions more for pedestrian barriers and delays/complications.

Meanwhile, a few hundred meters down the tracks, it's for some reason totally acceptable to cross the tracks on foot, with no red tape required. Government efficiency :hell:

Here's a good article on the subject: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sdut-crossing-park-petco-cost-civicsd-2015jun09-htmlstory.html

The holdup was due to safety concerns raised by the California Public Utilities Commission and BNSF Railway. Although the crossing was 70 feet away from the original Eighth Avenue crossing, the PUC considered it a new crossing and imposed tougher conditions than applied to existing crossings elsewhere downtown....

In summary, the original bridge-crossing cost has ballooned from the original $10 million to $40.6 million over 11 years. That's close to the cost estimated in 2002 for an $50 million overpass or $60 million underpass that the PUC and railroad preferred and the city opposed as too expensive, unsightly and impractical.

[The Flying Dutchman]

I learned something new here. Thanks for clarifying that up for me.

[Northparkwizard]

Bahia View Condos full drawings, 22 stories. (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Bahia-View-Drawings-5.3.17.pdf)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4184/34388713201_22e7d11dd6_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UoP9mi)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4179/34358061292_0d57e268cd_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Um73B7)

[Lipani]

^ Not sure if I somewhat like that design or absolutely hate it. But at least that area is finally getting some decent height after all the several low-rise developments over the last few years.

[SDfan]

That tower is still floating around? Dear lord it's been nearly a decade.

[ArquitectoMontenegro]

Isn't there a fault line right on top of that lot? It'd be the same fault line that cuts through fault line park across Island St, and the back garden for the senior citizen's center right behind this proposed building, and the private outdoor area for F15 apartments across the Market St.

I also assumed that fault line ran through tailgate park which is why it is a parking lot, I never understood how all of those stadium proposals for that site would address it.

[SDFC]

...I never understood how all of those stadium proposals for that site would address it.

By using lots and lots of our money. San Diego dodged a huge bullet by rejecting the Chargers plan. The amount of infrastructure upgrades and other difficulties not included in the plan would have been significant and covered 100% by us. I am still so proud of our city for making a stand against the Chargers and NFL.

[eburress]

By using lots and lots of our money. San Diego dodged a huge bullet by rejecting the Chargers plan. The amount of infrastructure upgrades and other difficulties not included in the plan would have been significant and covered 100% by us. I am still so proud of our city for making a stand against the Chargers and NFL.

Man, I swear. The misinformation about the stadium...

Unless "we" were renting cars or buying hotel rooms here in SD, 0% of the cost would have been covered by "us." It was being paid for by a tax on tourism.

[ChargerCarl]

Man, I swear. The misinformation about the stadium...

Unless "we" were renting cars or buying hotel rooms here in SD, 0% of the cost would have been covered by "us." It was being paid for by a tax on tourism.

Econ 101: higher P --> lower QD.

So yes, San Diego businesses would be paying the price of less tourism.

[eburress]

Econ 101: higher P --> lower QD.

So yes, San Diego businesses would be paying the price of less tourism.

So the business traveller is going to opt to not come to SD anymore because of the extra $1.50 for his rental car? Does that sound right to you?

Do you know the degree to which other cities' tourism was affected by similar taxes on tourism? None at all. "We" definitely weren't going to be paying for the Chargers stadium and neither were San Diego businesses.

[Nerv]

So the business traveller is going to opt to not come to SD anymore because of the extra $1.50 for his rental car? Does that sound right to you?

Do you know the degree to which other cities' tourism was affected by similar taxes on tourism? None at all. "We" definitely weren't going to be paying for the Chargers stadium and neither were San Diego businesses.


Agree 100%.

The city has been gouging tourists for years without a decline being a problem.

I believe it was already brought out that the current hotel tax is below other cities already so I really doubt it's a deal breaker to get it up with other cities.

Citizens should be more concerned why we pay so much more for our gasoline or why hotels rip off guests during events like Comic Con or why it's OK to pay low wages with "sun dollars" in place of real money. Businesses are against paying a living wage in many cases so why would they be for raising a hotel tax if it doesn't benefit their cause? Lol

Just sayin' the city has bigger fish to fry in regards to being concerned about getting a hotel tax up to a level other cities already have....

[ChargerCarl]

So the business traveller is going to opt to not come to SD anymore because of the extra $1.50 for his rental car? Does that sound right to you?

Do you know the degree to which other cities' tourism was affected by similar taxes on tourism? None at all. "We" definitely weren't going to be paying for the Chargers stadium and neither were San Diego businesses.

Some will, some tourists too. This is how margins work.

As for your second point, do you know the degree to which other cities have benefited the taxpayer from subsidizing large football stadiums? Surely theres been some sort of academic study of this...

[ChargerCarl]

Agree 100%.

The city has been gouging tourists for years without a decline being a problem.

I believe it was already brought out that the current hotel tax is below other cities already so I really doubt it's a deal breaker to get it up with other cities.

Citizens should be more concerned why we pay so much more for our gasoline or why hotels rip off guests during events like Comic Con or why it's OK to pay low wages with "sun dollars" in place of real money. Businesses are against paying a living wage in many cases so why would they be for raising a hotel tax if it doesn't benefit their cause? Lol

Just sayin' the city has bigger fish to fry in regards to being concerned about getting a hotel tax up to a level other cities already have....

Hotels don't "rip off" guests during events like Comic Con, they charge the market price for their service.

If you want those prices to be lower you need to permit more hotel construction to raise supply.

Econ 101 again.

[SDFC]

Man, I swear. The misinformation about the stadium...

Unless "we" were renting cars or buying hotel rooms here in SD, 0% of the cost would have been covered by "us." It was being paid for by a tax on tourism.

Apparently you are correct about there being miss information about the stadium. It is common knowledge that the half baked "plan" almost completely ignored necessary infrastructure upgrades for ingress/egress. The plan DID NOT adequately cover it and the tax payers (out of the general fund) were going to be on the hook to pay for these upgrades.

Further, I do, my family does, and my friends do rent cars, pay for hotels and other tourist stuff within San Diego and simple economic theory will also tell you as taxes and fees go up revenue goes down. If we do decide as a community to institute a tax like that I sure hope it is not for a rarely used sports facility with little (possible negative) economic impact.

[Nerv]

Hotels don't "rip off" guests during events like Comic Con, they charge the market price for their service.

If you want those prices to be lower you need to permit more hotel construction to raise supply.

Econ 101 again.

No one in San Diego is stopping hotel construction. We have lots of hotels and more being built every year. No, the hotel industry seems to do a fair job at keeping up with demand here.

But the hotels here do gouge "rip off" guests. The Comic Con organizers have worked hard to keep things under control with what pressure they can use but by their own omission the city does and is known for its gouging tactics. We are a hot spot for tourists and businesses here are all to aware of that fact.

So what you call market pricing I call gouging.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on that matter.

[SDfan]

Yawn.

[aerogt3]

But the hotels here do gouge "rip off" guests.

That's just not true, and shows a big ignorance of basic economics. A hotel price is not a rip off if the price spike is demand driven.

No, the hotel industry seems to do a fair job at keeping up with demand here.

The hotel industry may keep up with time averaged demand over a year or a seasonal period of the year, but within those aggregate periods, are nights where they have way less (or way more) rooms than the current market demand.

That's why prices rise during comicon, and can be absurdly low on a Wednesday night in the off season. A hotel's viability rests on the balance between under supply (and higher margins) in periods of high demand, and oversupply (and losses) during low demand periods. To get comicon prices in line with what you would consider acceptable, hotels would need to be sized for the years largest event, and would be unprofitable due to the oversupply/low occupancy such sizing would create on an annualized basis.

As it stands, even in San Diego's best years, hotel occupancy is about 77% (source below). Effectively any additional rooms to alleviate what you think are comicon "rip offs" would essentially be vacant most of the year; an inefficiency for which an even larger pool of hotel customers would have to pay higher rates (or, the hotel goes out of business.) Alternatively, if comicon rates were so high that hotels could cover the loss incurred on an additonal room for the rest of the year, than hotels would build that room.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/sd-fi-tourism-record-20170217-story.html

[BrandonJXN]

Can we have a rundown of what's under construction and proposed in SD?

No one huh?

[Lipani]

No one huh?

It's all Derek's fault for not updating it in years (just kidding, Derek ;)). I'll try to put something together tonight or tomorrow, although I'm not familiar with a few projects and will most likely need help adding some.

[Boatguy619]

No one huh?

http://sandiego.urbdezine.co m/development-map/

not sure when it was last updated but looks like all projects are there

[Streamliner]

http://sandiego.urbdezine.co m/development-map/

not sure when it was last updated but looks like all projects are there

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/development-map/
Fixed the link.

[embora]

Two things:

ONE: Here's the list of developments on the agenda for the East Village Residents Group - Thursday May 18 at 6pm at 1374 Island Avenue:

1. Market & 7th Project - presented by Jason Wood - updating the multi-use project which includes the Ritz Carlton/Whole Foods

2. Alexan Project, 13th and J Street - presented by Alex Schiffer - announcing opening date and an over view of the project

3. East Village South Focus Plan - presented by Architect rob Quigley and Mike Stepner of NewSchool of Architecture - will review the progress on the Focus Plan in-depth

4. SunBreak Ranch - presented by George Mullen - will review an immediate comprehensive homeless solution for San Diego city and county.

TWO: A recent post on the Quartyard's Facebook page says their lease runs out at the end of this summer, and that they will move to 13th & Market, confirming what someone here posted in the past few weeks.

[SDCAL]

Two things:

ONE: Here's the list of developments on the agenda for the East Village Residents Group - Thursday May 18 at 6pm at 1374 Island Avenue:

1. Market & 7th Project - presented by Jason Wood - updating the multi-use project which includes the Ritz Carlton/Whole Foods

2. Alexan Project, 13th and J Street - presented by Alex Schiffer - announcing opening date and an over view of the project

3. East Village South Focus Plan - presented by Architect rob Quigley and Mike Stepner of NewSchool of Architecture - will review the progress on the Focus Plan in-depth

4. SunBreak Ranch - presented by George Mullen - will review an immediate comprehensive homeless solution for San Diego city and county.

TWO: A recent post on the Quartyard's Facebook page says their lease runs out at the end of this summer, and that they will move to 13th & Market, confirming what someone here posted in the past few weeks.

Thank you for this. I will try to attend but I work in north county and depending on traffic might not be able to make it. Hopefully we will have representation from this board and someone will bring back updates. Fingers crossed that market and 7th has resolved legal issues and will be on track!

[The Flying Dutchman]

As it happens, I will be attending this meeting, so I will provide updates for you guys.

[wadams92101]

What happened to the development map on SD urbdezine? Anything similar, and updated around? Hi, its back up. It broke for awhile and I was unaware. If it breaks in future, please let me know at wadams@urbdezine.com. I'm the author.

[Lipani]

Not much of a surprise here. SDSU hasn't really agreed with FS Investors on anything.

SDSU Drops Out Of Talks To Be Part Of Soccer City Development
By City News Service

San Diego State University announced Tuesday that it has ended negotiations with the group behind the Soccer City development proposed for Mission Valley, and called on the city of San Diego to issue a request for other proposals for use of the Qualcomm Stadium property.

SDSU officials previously expressed reservations about the Soccer City plan, which would include a joint soccer and college football stadium, a river park, housing and commercial space. The 166 acres became available when the Chargers announced their move to Los Angeles.

La Jolla-based FS Investors created the plan for the development, which could go before voters in November.

Last month, the developer turned in signatures in support of the project to the county Registrar of Voters. If enough are valid, the City Council will have to schedule a public vote or approve the plan outright.

"For well over a year, San Diego State University has engaged in discussions with FS Investors on a possible partnership opportunity at the Mission Valley site," a school statement said. "Unfortunately, a fair, equitable deal that would provide opportunity for the long-term success of SDSU and Aztec football, as well as a transparent deal for the citizens of San Diego, could not be reached.
Full article: KPBS (http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/may/16/san-diego-state-university-will-not-seek-partnersh/)

[Boatguy619]

SDSU is sounding a lot like Dean Spanos, their fairness argument is invalid if they're not willing to put up money. Plus the football team couldn't fill the stadium if they offered free tickets and beer. Enjoy Petco park Aztecs

[ucsbgaucho]

SDSU is sounding a lot like Dean Spanos, their fairness argument is invalid if they're not willing to put up money. Plus the football team couldn't fill the stadium if they offered free tickets and beer. Enjoy Petco park Aztecs

Problem for SDSU is they have 0 leverage in any of these discussions. They have no plan B, they're relying completely on everyone else coming up with a plan for the site that will work for them, so quite honestly they better be a little more willing to work with the plans suggested. They're very welcome to buy their own land and build their own football stadium if they want to, but that's obviously not an option they're considering.

Any developers with the capital to build out that Q property is going to do what's best for them financially (and the area economically) and a football stadium for the Aztecs doesn't rank high on the impact list. They better be careful or the plans will move forward without them and they'll be left to decide how valuable football really is.

[Lipani]

^SDSU's Plan B is probably hoping that FS Investors' plan fails and the city will give them the land to develop. Manchester's plan had about 5 minutes of publicity and JMI hasn't said anything in months, so it's not that unrealistic.

[mhays]

That's just not true, and shows a big ignorance of basic economics. A hotel price is not a rip off if the price spike is demand driven.

The hotel industry may keep up with time averaged demand over a year or a seasonal period of the year, but within those aggregate periods, are nights where they have way less (or way more) rooms than the current market demand.

That's why prices rise during comicon, and can be absurdly low on a Wednesday night in the off season. A hotel's viability rests on the balance between under supply (and higher margins) in periods of high demand, and oversupply (and losses) during low demand periods. To get comicon prices in line with what you would consider acceptable, hotels would need to be sized for the years largest event, and would be unprofitable due to the oversupply/low occupancy such sizing would create on an annualized basis.

As it stands, even in San Diego's best years, hotel occupancy is about 77% (source below). Effectively any additional rooms to alleviate what you think are comicon "rip offs" would essentially be vacant most of the year; an inefficiency for which an even larger pool of hotel customers would have to pay higher rates (or, the hotel goes out of business.) Alternatively, if comicon rates were so high that hotels could cover the loss incurred on an additonal room for the rest of the year, than hotels would build that room.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/sd-fi-tourism-record-20170217-story.html

Hotels get cheaper as occupancy gets lower.

If occupancy was below equilibrium (varies by city, often in 70s), typically the worst case is an owner sells at a loss, then the buyer does better because they bought the property at a discount. (This gets complicated with the owner and operator, aka flag, often being different, and the operator taking a share of the risk.)

Actually the most relevant number is RevPAR or revenue per available room.

[ucsbgaucho]

^SDSU's Plan B is probably hoping that FS Investors' plan fails and the city will give them the land to develop. Manchester's plan had about 5 minutes of publicity and JMI hasn't said anything in months, so it's not that unrealistic.

I don't think the citizenry would appreciate the city gifting land as valuable as that location, when they could sell for hundreds of millions. If SDSU wants to bid to buy it, city might give them a bit of a discount, but to just hand over that land to the school would be a foolish financial decision by the city. Plus, I doubt the school would have the funds to complete demolition, cleanup and construction of that entire area like private investors are looking to do.

Any stadium is going to have to work for both the Aztecs and an MLS team, bc they're not building an NFL-quality stadium.

[Northparkwizard]

Lots of good points here.

Honest questions, is their a precedent for this that anyone is aware of?

A city transferring/selling land to the State of California for a public institution?

Wouldn't that (theoretically) be the deal since it's a State University?

[embora]

Lots of good points here.

Honest questions, is their a precedent for this that anyone is aware of?

A city transferring/selling land to the State of California for a public institution?

Wouldn't that (theoretically) be the deal since it's a State University?

I'm not sure of any precedent of the city selling land to the state, but the city does lease land to other public entities. They lease land to a high school on Park Boulevard, and I understand that they lease land to the Navy at Balboa Naval Hospital. My own thinking is that any lease of the Q site to SDSU would probably be pretty permanent, but then they get the benefit of whatever the rent payment is.

[Northparkwizard]

Amended 7th & A full drawings. (http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/7th-A-Amendment-Drawings_4.28.17-1.pdf)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4221/34631313071_bdedc71a3b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ULfwQF)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4224/34762906825_2c691f22a9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UXSZ5v)

[joemamma]

As it happens, I will be attending this meeting, so I will provide updates for you guys.

We would love to hear any info you might have heard. Thanks

[The Flying Dutchman]

We would love to hear any info you might have heard. Thanks

Sorry, something came up and I had to get away. Maybe someone else can chime in. :(

[HurricaneHugo]

Do you have to be a local resident to go to those meetings?

[embora]

Here's an article with some updates on the developments within the Maker's Quarter:


Makers Quarter: Sunshaded offices, hipster hangouts

Roger Showley
San Diego Union Tribune

Makers Quarter, the five-block gentrifying section of East Village, is already making its mark.
The Coliseum, where Archie Moore once boxed, is turning into a hipster hangout with eight bowling lanes, two karaoke setups, craft cocktails and “scratch food.”
The first housing project, seven-story, 265-unit Broadstone Makers Quarter due to open early next year, will include a high proportion of studios and one-bedroom apartments to appeal to single millennials on the hunt for affordable urban living.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-makersquarterupdate-20170517-story.html

http://www.trbimg.com/img-591e27c9/turbine/sd-1495148480-yqk9utyx8y-snap-image/650/650x366
Makers Quarter occupies five blocks of East Village to be built around the future East Village Green park. (BNIM)

[The Flying Dutchman]

Do you have to be a local resident to go to those meetings?

Not at all, but they get old after awhile. Most information is public already if you know where to look.

[Streamliner]

UC San Diego is preparing for quite a bit of development at their main campus in La Jolla. The Living and Learning Neighborhood will develop a large parking lot on the western edge of campus into a multi-use student housing/education/minor retail area. It will be one of the campus' larger individual projects. The architecture is similar to other recent campus buildings:

http://livinglearning.ucsd.edu/_images/ntplln-scholars-drive.jpg

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/news_uploads/ucsd-campus-construction-2.jpg

Video:
https://vimeo.com/206659110

Source (http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/feature/changing_the_face_of_campus?utm_campaign=thisweek&utm_medium=email&utm_source=tw-2017-05-18)

UC San Diego is also finishing up some more student housing east of the 5, with more in the pipeline:

https://hdh.ucsd.edu/arch/images/slide-9-mesanueva-7320.jpg

Source (https://hdh.ucsd.edu/arch/pages/MesaNueva.html)

http://mithun.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1626600_N2.jpg

http://mithun.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1626600_N3.jpg
Source (http://mithun.com/project/university-of-california-san-diego-nuevo-west-graduate-student-housing/)

This, along with the Trolley line under construction means UCSD is changing very quickly.

[HurricaneHugo]

New home for Sixth college?

Would that mean they'll redevelop Camp Snoopy next?

[Streamliner]

New home for Sixth college?

Would that mean they'll redevelop Camp Snoopy next?

I'm betting yes. Especially considering its prime location next to the future Trolley stop.