SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[ucsbgaucho]

Possible new downtown arena to be unveiled tomorrow by Alibaba founder?

To be used for an indoor lacrosse team and to try to lure an NHL team

Http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/dan-sileo-a-new-arena-lacrosse-team-and-possible-nba-team-in-san-diego/

I like how the text in the linked story says he "IS BUILDING" an arena... As if all the permits are approved and he already has the go-ahead. Haha, good luck with that, slick. :)

[Nerv]

I like how the text in the linked story says he "IS BUILDING" an arena... As if all the permits are approved and he already has the go-ahead. Haha, good luck with that, slick. :)

If public money isn't involved it by far removes the largest obstacle of building anything here.

Buy the land, get the permits and then endure the usual suspects that complain or try and take it to court. Yawn.

At least you avoid endless delays because of use of public monies debates and when and how it needs to be put to a vote. Ugh.

Navy Broadway Complex just went through the same hoops of complaining and lawsuits but despite the delays it is getting built.

[spoonman]

Does anyone have pictures of NBC? Or any other large projects?

[mello]

Is it a citizens initiative as crafted now or just a plan from the mayor? I know Soccer City is a citizens initiative (obviously not requesting any taxes) so will the convention center measure have to be reconstructed as a citizens plan to meet the 50% threshold. Thanks.

[Nerv]

Does anyone have pictures of NBC? Or any other large projects?

There's not a lot to see yet. They started tearing down the old in April and when I was at a Comic Con last month they were still working on that. I'm guessing the actual construction start would be late this year or early next. It's a very big project. They are still sticking with a 2020 completion date which is pretty good considering the amount of high rises involved.

So for now we just have the project illos.
https://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/news/tease/2015/12/09/bg_video.jpg

[Nerv]

Is it a citizens initiative as crafted now or just a plan from the mayor? I know Soccer City is a citizens initiative (obviously not requesting any taxes) so will the convention center measure have to be reconstructed as a citizens plan to meet the 50% threshold. Thanks.

From my understanding they have not announced the current plan for convention center expansion yet in detail. It's still planned for the late 2018 election date so they have plenty of time to adjust things if the new ruling will do anything for them. Like you I'm super curious if this new ruling can get them over the hump.

[spoonman]

Thanks for posting the rendering, Nerv. I was hoping to see if someone had a shot of the actual construction site to see the progress. Does anyone know if excavation has finished?

[Nerv]

Thanks for posting the rendering, Nerv. I was hoping to see if someone had a shot of the actual construction site to see the progress. Does anyone know if excavation has finished?

I took this at comic con last month of the site. You can see the Intercontinental Hotel in the middle far right which is coming right along but the building next to it still needed to go. Everything else looked flat with clean up still needed in parts.

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/a1e36e4012bc63569316cf2ebba656c1e948ce50.JPG

[Nerv]

I can't say I'm super excited because of its design but I am super excited to see movement on the Chula Vista Bayfront. Nothing stellar but it will do to get their bayfront going into the future as a first step.

http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/08/31/public-support-strong-for-3b-south-bay-development-plan/

[spoonman]

Thanks for the pic, Nerv.

I can't believe the Chula Vista project is still 2 YEARS away from groundbreaking. This project could be dragged out longer than NBC when it's all said and done. When the project is eventually done I think that it, along with everything happening out at Otay Lakes and San Ysidro will help reinvigorate the South Bay area.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Pinnacle (11th & E)
Remember this? Looks like it's back from the dead: http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NOA-Pinnacle-11th-E-9.1.17.pdf

Looks like they are opting for a single, taller tower vs. two shorter towers. (One 41 story vs. 2 31-story[s]. 462 units vs. 618. I couldn't find any new renders, so the one included here is out of date.

For the older version, see here: https://sandiego.urbdezine.com/2014/04/11/revised-11th-broadway-pinnacle-project-in-design-review-san-diego/

https://sandiego.urbdezine.com/files/2014/04/View-from-11th-E-St-Pinnacle.jpg

[spoonman]

^ I've always loved this project and have been eagerly awaiting this to start. The style has a sort of Century City/mid century vibe. As much as like height, I'm a little bummed to see this go to a single tower. Any idea what will happen with the remaining land?

[SDfan]

Pinnacle (11th & E)
Remember this? Looks like it's back from the dead: http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/NOA-Pinnacle-11th-E-9.1.17.pdf

Looks like they are opting for a single, taller tower vs. two shorter towers. (One 41 story vs. 2 31-story[s]. 462 units vs. 618. I couldn't find any new renders, so the one included here is out of date.

That's a bummer. I was hoping these towers would add some much needed height variations to that part of town. So far there are a number of 430'+ towers going up in the area, so it's going to be pleatu as fuuuuukc.

[mello]

Funny how this project was always referred to as 11th and Broadway now they are calling it 11th and E. I just want to see more things break ground I thought this project and "The Block" at 7th/Broadway that BOSA took over were going to get going this year. So many projects are laaaaaging hard in SD right now.

Did you guys see the Roger Showley article on possible Arena downtown and one guy poo pooing it because it will take up "valuable land for tech office space". Let's be real how long have we been talking about an office space/tech boom in DTSD since 2000! And IDEA1 finally gets built and guess what 80% of the building is apartments with less then 80k sq. feet being for office!! :haha:

There are TONS of blocks sitting idle in downtown SD and its like when is this tech boom ever going to come? Year after year goes by and nothing significant happens. (In East Village, NBC has a big office building that will hopefully have some tech).

An arena only needs about 12 acres and I think it will be a vital mix to downtown and bring in tons of quality events.

[spoonman]

I'm all for an arena, but hope it doesn't mess up the street grid. The city seems to think nothing of closing streets as long as someone owns the property on both sides of it. This has happened in Little Italy, the court district, etc. Hopefully the arena can be built to allow traffic to pass below, or perhaps the arena will fit on a single large parcel.

[HurricaneHugo]

I'm all for an arena, but hope it doesn't mess up the street grid. The city seems to think nothing of closing streets as long as someone owns the property on both sides of it. This has happened in Little Italy, the court district, etc. Hopefully the arena can be built to allow traffic to pass below, or perhaps the arena will fit on a single large parcel.

The only parcels large enough for an arena are the MTS yard and Tailgate Park

[Northparkwizard]

I'm all for an arena, but hope it doesn't mess up the street grid. The city seems to think nothing of closing streets as long as someone owns the property on both sides of it. This has happened in Little Italy, the court district, etc. Hopefully the arena can be built to allow traffic to pass below, or perhaps the arena will fit on a single large parcel.

San Diego's downtown city blocks are already laughably small, an arena won't do any harm. Adding a plaza that benefits pedestrians in Little Italy and removing an unnecessary street that contributes to traffic is, in my opinion, a good thing.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Kinda ironic that downtown was designed to be ped friendly (small block sizes to maximize valuable commercial real estate on corners/foot traffic.) by none other than Alonzo Horton, an entrepreneur from the late 1800s. Downtown, then known as 'Horton's Addition', or 'New Town', was an expansion of Old Town. Yes, Horton Plaza shares this name. You can also thank him for setting aside land for Balboa Park (although other notable characters, such as Kate Sessions (famed botanist), would help make it what it is today.

That concludes today's history lesson! Have a great weekend everyone!:cheers:

[SDCAL]

I was at Horton Plaza yesterday to do some grocery shopping at the JIMBO's there, and I overheard some tourists inside Horton Plaza questioning why their guidebook had lured them to an "abandoned dump."

It's not good that visitors to our city are describing the main retail/shopping destination downtown as an "abandoned dump."

When you walk around you see pretty much every 3rd storefront shuttered and people seem pretty underwhelmed. I think the only people who go there anymore are people like me who have a single destination we want to get in and out of, or unsuspecting tourists who think they are going somewhere innovative and pleasant and then discover they've been duped into coming to a half-abandoned mall.

I realize that in the 1980s HP was a marvel. It was a new, innovative concept and it helped spur redevelopment downtown. There's no denial HP has historical significance to our city.

But now I believe it's reached the point it is hindering our downtown. It's a closed-in eyesore and the people who own/manage it seem to be in no hurry to improve it as they let it slowly bleed tenants.

What's the future for HP and WHEN will something finally be done about it?

The city needs to put pressure on Westfield to do something. Either revitalize it or sell it to someone who will. Having a bleeding, depressing black hole like that right in the middle of downtown isn't good for the city.

[CaliNative]

There's not a lot to see yet. They started tearing down the old in April and when I was at a Comic Con last month they were still working on that. I'm guessing the actual construction start would be late this year or early next. It's a very big project. They are still sticking with a 2020 completion date which is pretty good considering the amount of high rises involved.

So for now we just have the project illos.
https://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/news/tease/2015/12/09/bg_video.jpg

Impressive. Almost like a San Diego-style Rockefeller Center. The tallest building on the left looks to be in the 450-500 foot range, is that right? This is a mixed use project--office/hotel/residential/retail?

[Nerv]

Impressive. Almost like a San Diego-style Rockefeller Center. The tallest building on the left looks to be in the 450-500 foot range, is that right? This is a mixed use project--office/hotel/residential/retail?


It could be slightly different later but here's the projects building heights.

Site Plan Description:
BLOCK 1A: 1.9 Acre Waterfront Park
BLDG 1B: 260 Keys, 5-Star Manchester Boutique Hotel; 187,867 SF, 135FT, 10-Stories, Manchester Pacific Gateway Tower - Class A Office; 523,507 SF, Retail; 92,748 SF, 400 FT, 27-Stories
BLDG 2A & 2B: 1,090 Keys, 4-Star Manchester Gateway Hotel/Retail and Medal of Honor Museum; 1,103,035 SF, 350 FT, 29-Stories
BLDG 3A: Lindbergh Building - Class A office/Retail; 272,693 SF, 135 FT, 8-Stories
BLDG 3B: US Navy Headquarters - Class A Office; 373,105 SF, 250 FT, 17-Stories
BLDG 4A &4B: Seaport Building - Class A Office; 152,976 SF, Retail; 144,547 SF, 110 FT, 6-Stories



http://www.manchesterpacificgateway.com/

[Nerv]

http://livingthesandiegolife.com/wp-content/uploads/Manchester-Pacific-Gateway-renderings.jpg

[Boatguy619]

Will there be any lighting designs at NBC? The two 350 tower look like the roof might have something. I hate how dim lit our skyline is.

[JerellO]

http://livingthesandiegolife.com/wp-content/uploads/Manchester-Pacific-Gateway-renderings.jpg

This render is old, unfortunately the current design has a less Rockefeller look and more blue glass than that stone material... at least for the tallest building. The rest of the project still has some art-deco feel.

[HurricaneHugo]

^^ Then post it! ;)

But I do hope they don't all have the same architecture

[ucsbgaucho]

Will there be any lighting designs at NBC? The two 350 tower look like the roof might have something. I hate how dim lit our skyline is.

Those two middle towers with the "lighting" look on top immediately made me think of the connector when you plug a new graphics card into your desktop computer... Haha. I feel like a giant motherboard will float down and dock with those two towers.

/END random thought

[Crackertastik]

These are straight from the Manchester Pacific Gateway site. Definitely more glass, but still a nice mix of stone materials.

https://ibb.co/fGDu8a

https://ibb.co/cu3GMv

https://ibb.co/czg31v

[Nerv]

^^ Then post it! ;)

But I do hope they don't all have the same architecture


Best to view the slideshow here:

http://www.manchesterpacificgateway.com

Even early on I expected more of a "glass" look since some renderings tend to mute the look of numerous windows although we know that's what it's going to have.

The Art Deco look does seem dialed back in some areas but I've learned to wait until we actually see the final result.

Either way I like the project as is and am looking forward to getting rid of the previous eyesore that's currently there.

[SDfan]

I really dislike that bridge connecting the twins. It makes everything look more squat.

[SDfan]

Westfield UTC Tower broke ground.

http://sdbj.com/news/2017/sep/05/westfield-begins-work-new-apartment-tower-utc/

[HurricaneHugo]

Nice.

Does UTC have a height limit?

[SDfan]

Nice.

Does UTC have a height limit?

Not that I am aware of, however, the old La Jolla Commons project was reduced in height (32 story to 15 story) partially because the FAA was concerned about Miramar's proximity. I've seen proposals up to 350' in UTC, but they've all been scaled back (La Jolla Commons and Costa Verde being examples).

[Nerv]

Not that I am aware of, however, the old La Jolla Commons project was reduced in height (32 story to 15 story) partially because the FAA was concerned about Miramar's proximity. I've seen proposals up to 350' in UTC, but they've all been scaled back (La Jolla Commons and Costa Verde being examples).


Every time they put in a new high rise though placing a height limit seems to come up.

Are you positive about the FAA being the reason the Commons got scaled back? I never heard that before but did hear they scaled back at the time due to market demands and financing for reasons. It seems odd if their location would interfere with Miramar air traffic.:shrug:

[spoonman]

Every time they put in a new high rise though placing a height limit seems to come up.

Are you positive about the FAA being the reason the Commons got scaled back? I never heard that before but did hear they scaled back at the time due to market demands and financing for reasons. It seems odd if their location would interfere with Miramar air traffic.:shrug:

Yes, I believe it was the economy tanking which really killed the original project. The project was originally a large speculative office building, Mandarin Oriental hotel, and residential. There were FAA issues with Miramar, as I recall, however I believe that the developer was able to mitigate those concerns through the funding of some type or radar equipment (beacon?).

FWIW, if height is measured from Sea Level, the UTC tower at 23 floors is probably as high as the proposed 35 fl Mandarin Oriental and office building as the latter sits at the bottom of a hill. This doesn't account for distance to Miramar, of course.

Here was the original La Jolla COmmons project rendering. You can actually see one of the 3 towers (the office building in the back) was built as originally proposed. One of the towers was shortened and the other eliminated entirely (the one in front of the parking structure).
http://www.officeblvd.com/images/HINESsdlajollacommon.jpg

[JerellO]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/technology/sd-fi-amazon-hq2-story.html

Bidding war, do you guys think we have a chance?

Also, the San Diego County courthouse is being redeveloped with 2 towers(1 office and 1 residential) and a park in mind... curious to see how designs turn out.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-courthouseredev-20170905-story.html

[SDCAL]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/technology/sd-fi-amazon-hq2-story.html

Bidding war, do you guys think we have a chance?

Also, the San Diego County courthouse is being redeveloped with 2 towers(1 office and 1 residential) and a park in mind... curious to see how designs turn out.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/growth-development/sd-fi-courthouseredev-20170905-story.html

We don't have a chance. The sad thing is I think we would have a chance if HQ1 was on the East Coast, but I don't see a major company like Amazon having both their HQ on the west coast, doesn't make any sense.

[Nerv]

I think we are a long shot with amazon too.

Unless the past rumors about them wanting to move their base outside of Washington is true. I checked on some of the states media reaction to this story and they look at it as a loss for the state with the company not expanding there anymore. Amazons long term plans for their HQ could be in line with Boeings thinking that their HQ should be in a place more central to their business as they continue to move forward with expanding into new areas with business like the Whole Foods acquisition. What they are doing is a great way to see what other cities are willing to offer them vs what they are currently getting too from Washington. One article had San Diego as part of 39 city "finalists" with offers and that's a pretty good pool of offers to get a baseline off of.

Here's some of Washingtons reaction: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/amazons-announcement-of-hq-outside-of-seattle-sends-ripples-through-states-political-circles/

[Derek]

Unless the past rumors about them wanting to move their base outside of Washington is true.



Amazon isn't moving anywhere? They just built/are still building a massive headquarters in downtown Seattle. They're just looking for a "second headquarters" (whatever that means).

[spoonman]

For all we know this could all be BS to leverage for better treatment from the government in Washington state. I'm not that knowledgeable but it seems that Amazon (along with Microsoft) has helped elevate Seattle to where it is today relative to its peer cities (SD, Minneapolis, Denver, Phoenix).

[mello]

I'm very excited to see the proposals for the old courthouse site and man would that be a perfect spot for 700 to 800 foot tower right smack in the middle of the skyline would be an amazing Pinnacle and take our skyline to a whole other level.

Regarding Amazon HQ2 I see Nashville getting it, hip young city tons of people want to move there and housing is still cheap, many people forget that Tennessee has no state income tax. I heard they want to be in a city that doesn't have outrageous housing costs. Charlotte may work but it is kind of a boring sterile place where as Nashville has soul.

What could San Diego realistically offer? The whole Qualcomm site so they could build office and housing? All of Tailgate Park and The MTS busyard that is about 8 city blocks?? Would JMI be willing to give Amazon that land he controls it is such a waste just sitting there as a parking lot should be an Arena or Corporate HQ for sure.

[SDfan]

The more I read about this whole Amazon situation the less I feel like San Diego would be selected.

[SDfan]

Tijuana news:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/real-estate/sd-fi-bajalta-tijuana-20170908-story.html

[ucsbgaucho]

The more I read about this whole Amazon situation the less I feel like San Diego would be selected.

San Diego loses immediately because it's in California. No big corporations are moving HQs TO California, they're all moving out. Nowhere in CA can match the tax incentives, cost of living, building costs etc of other states like Texas, Utah, Florida, etc.

[spoonman]

The more I read about this whole Amazon situation the less I feel like San Diego would be selected.

I'm thinking that the city Amazon selects will be more strategic and less financial in nature. What I mean is that Amazon has tons of cash and doesn't need handouts as nice as handouts are.

Amazon likely wants to keep moving into other industries (Grocery, Movies/TV, etc.). The place that they select (if any) will likely have a lot to do with attracting talent for new ventures as well as supporting the existing business.

Most of us think Amazon will move to any number of techie/hipster cities, however they could surprise everyone and move to a place totally unexpected for much more strategic reasons.

[SDCAL]

I'm very excited to see the proposals for the old courthouse site and man would that be a perfect spot for 700 to 800 foot tower right smack in the middle of the skyline would be an amazing Pinnacle and take our skyline to a whole other level.

Regarding Amazon HQ2 I see Nashville getting it, hip young city tons of people want to move there and housing is still cheap, many people forget that Tennessee has no state income tax. I heard they want to be in a city that doesn't have outrageous housing costs. Charlotte may work but it is kind of a boring sterile place where as Nashville has soul.

What could San Diego realistically offer? The whole Qualcomm site so they could build office and housing? All of Tailgate Park and The MTS busyard that is about 8 city blocks?? Would JMI be willing to give Amazon that land he controls it is such a waste just sitting there as a parking lot should be an Arena or Corporate HQ for sure.

Charlotte will never be picked. It's a political football with the right wing state government. Remember all the stuff with transgendered bathrooms bill and major companies/sporting events etc. threatening to leave and cancelling conferences there. It cost the state over $3 billion. Amazon, which now owns Whole Foods and has a huge millennial customer base, is not going to risk going to a conservative state, especially one with a recent history of high profile controversy like NC. I could see maybe Austin and merging with the WF headquarters there. Maybe Philadelphia.

[SDCAL]

San Diego loses immediately because it's in California. No big corporations are moving HQs TO California, they're all moving out. Nowhere in CA can match the tax incentives, cost of living, building costs etc of other states like Texas, Utah, Florida, etc.

They also don't want to move to politically conservative states where there could be controversy with backwards laws that they then have to condemn like we saw with North Carolina. They used the term "progressive" in their list of desirable attributes. Can't picture Utah being in the running.

The NYT did elimination brackets on their criteria and concluded DENVER should be their pick.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/09/upshot/where-should-amazon-new-headquarters-be.html?_r=0

[eburress]

The more I read about this whole Amazon situation the less I feel like San Diego would be selected.

How do you figure that? According to Amazon's requirements, San Diego falls short in almost every possible way.

[eburress]

I'm thinking that the city Amazon selects will be more strategic and less financial in nature. What I mean is that Amazon has tons of cash and doesn't need handouts as nice as handouts are.

You guys should read their requirements. Financial incentives most certainly are one of their considerations.

[SDfan]

How do you figure that? According to Amazon's requirements, San Diego falls short in almost every possible way.

That's exactly what I meant.

[IMBY]

Tijuana news:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/real-estate/sd-fi-bajalta-tijuana-20170908-story.html

Muchos, muchos gracias for the updates!

I guess these updates dashes my dreams of Central Tijuana ever becoming the real core of Tijuana. It's obvious they've abandoned Centro and all the future construction activity will be in the Rio Zona district, or I call it the Americana district.

But if the current President ever makes good on his promise to building housing complexes for the lower classes in the inner cities, rather than building complexes for the poor on the outskirts, then perhaps Central Tijuana may yet have a chance to be revitalized.

Why should the murder rate be an impediment to future construction in Tijuana, as don't we all know who's shooting/killing who? It's certainly not stopping construction in Chicago!

[eburress]

That's exactly what I meant.

My bad...I misread your post. I agree. :)

[mello]

What if they give Amazon the entire Qualcomm site for free? Or the MTS busyard site. My gut tells me Philly is going to get it anyway with that Shcullkyll Yards crap or whatever its called lol.

[eburress]

What if they give Amazon the entire Qualcomm site for free? Or the MTS busyard site. My gut tells me Philly is going to get it anyway with that Shcullkyll Yards crap or whatever its called lol.

San Diego doesn't meet Amazon's requirements (no major international airport, awful business climate, high cost of living, etc...) so it's a moot point. It's not happening here.


My guess is Dallas/Fort Worth. With the State's business friendly environment, no income tax, DFW airport, available land near both cities' downtowns, the buttloads of cash the cities and State will throw at Amazon, the large tech worker population (3x that of Austin's), low housing costs, etc.

Other realistic options are Atlanta, Chicago, Washington DC, and maybe Denver. I hear Amazon employees are pulling for Austin, which minus the airport requirement, seems like a strong possibility.

[Nerv]

Here's a viewpoint from the Business Insider on the Amazon city shopping:

Cities are in a vicious, $5 billion battle over Amazon's headquarters — here's why they're crazy


Cities across America are vying to be chosen as the site of a second Amazon headquarters, but the opportunity also comes with some drawbacks.

Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik writes that Amazon is taking advantage of the local communities that are putting together bids — which will presumably include generous tax incentives — for a planned $5 billion, 50,000-job facility.

"The company's approach is arrogant, naive and more than a teensy bit cynical," Hiltzik writes. "Rather than be offered bribes to move its headquarters into a community, Amazon should be made to pay for the privilege."

Hiltzik also points out that existing local businesses will face consequences for hosting Amazon.

"Communities that boast of relatively modest costs of living and reasonable labor costs as come-ons should recognize that Amazon's arrival will push up land values, and therefore the cost of housing and office space, and produce upward pressure on wages," Hiltzik writes. "That's good for workers, not so much for existing employers."

Amazon's headquarters in Seattle has certainly caused some tension, with some local residents calling the effects on traffic and housing prices "Amageddon."


Analysis by the software and traffic-data company Inrix found that Seattle drivers on average spent 55 hours stuck in traffic in 2016, placing Seattle among the 10 worst US cities for congestion, Business Insider's Madeline Stone reported in April.

The city-focused news website CityLab reported in 2015 that there was also a slight gender disparity in Seattle — about 1,068 single men for every 1,000 single women.

Rents have also increased, reaching an average in downtown Seattle of $42.08 a square foot, compared with $39.79 in 2015 and $31.38 in 2009. Rising rents could pose a challenge to small businesses and young startups searching for office space.

Bloomberg reported that Boston was the frontrunner for the new headquarters, a claim Amazon subsequently denied. Cities like Chicago and Denver are also reportedly in the running.

But hosting Amazon may not be all it's cracked up to be in the long term.



This viewpoint on Amazon I've seen on several business sites now. So it's possible the real winners are the losers.

[spoonman]

San Diego doesn't meet Amazon's requirements (no major international airport, awful business climate, high cost of living, etc...) so it's a moot point. It's not happening here.

You made some good points, but I don't agree with the bolded at all.

SD International has tons of service to pretty much anywhere you'd want to go in the US as well as a constantly growing number of international flights to Brittain, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, plus talk of new flights next year to China (you can already get to Shanghai through the TIJ CBX terminal), Korea, and South America. Also there's Canada and Mexico. These are just direct flights. Also, Alaska Airlines (HQ & Hub in Seattle) has also built and is growing a significant focus city at SDIA. I agree that there are better connected hub airports, but to say that SDIA is not a major international airport isn't true.

[eburress]

You made some good points, but I don't agree with the bolded at all.

SD International has tons of service to pretty much anywhere you'd want to go in the US as well as a constantly growing number of international flights to Brittain, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, plus talk of new flights next year to China (you can already get to Shanghai through the TIJ CBX terminal), Korea, and South America. Also there's Canada and Mexico. These are just direct flights. Also, Alaska Airlines (HQ & Hub in Seattle) has also built and is growing a significant focus city at SDIA. I agree that there are better connected hub airports, but to say that SDIA is not a major international airport isn't true.

San Diego International Airport is the 27th busiest airport in the US. Does #27 seem "major" to you?

[eburress]

Here's a viewpoint from the Business Insider on the Amazon city shopping:

Cities are in a vicious, $5 billion battle over Amazon's headquarters — here's why they're crazy


Cities across America are vying to be chosen as the site of a second Amazon headquarters, but the opportunity also comes with some drawbacks.

Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik writes that Amazon is taking advantage of the local communities that are putting together bids — which will presumably include generous tax incentives — for a planned $5 billion, 50,000-job facility.

"The company's approach is arrogant, naive and more than a teensy bit cynical," Hiltzik writes. "Rather than be offered bribes to move its headquarters into a community, Amazon should be made to pay for the privilege."

Hiltzik also points out that existing local businesses will face consequences for hosting Amazon.

"Communities that boast of relatively modest costs of living and reasonable labor costs as come-ons should recognize that Amazon's arrival will push up land values, and therefore the cost of housing and office space, and produce upward pressure on wages," Hiltzik writes. "That's good for workers, not so much for existing employers."

Amazon's headquarters in Seattle has certainly caused some tension, with some local residents calling the effects on traffic and housing prices "Amageddon."


Analysis by the software and traffic-data company Inrix found that Seattle drivers on average spent 55 hours stuck in traffic in 2016, placing Seattle among the 10 worst US cities for congestion, Business Insider's Madeline Stone reported in April.

The city-focused news website CityLab reported in 2015 that there was also a slight gender disparity in Seattle — about 1,068 single men for every 1,000 single women.

Rents have also increased, reaching an average in downtown Seattle of $42.08 a square foot, compared with $39.79 in 2015 and $31.38 in 2009. Rising rents could pose a challenge to small businesses and young startups searching for office space.

Bloomberg reported that Boston was the frontrunner for the new headquarters, a claim Amazon subsequently denied. Cities like Chicago and Denver are also reportedly in the running.

But hosting Amazon may not be all it's cracked up to be in the long term.



This viewpoint on Amazon I've seen on several business sites now. So it's possible the real winners are the losers.

This sounds like an article written in a city not in the running for Amazon. Kind of like all the articles here in SD about how "we never wanted an NFL team anyway." Pulease.

Imagine the "armageddon" if instead of building a new HQ in Downtown Seattle, Amazon relocated to some other city. Seattle is delighted by their current armageddon.

[spoonman]

Comparing airports by "busiest" is a fools errand. Many of the "busiest" airports are due to geography/hub status meaning that most of the traffic going through the airport is connecting as opposed to O&D traffic. Moreover, the number of destinations an airport serves is more import than the number of passengers that are passing through.

[eburress]

Comparing airports by "busiest" is a fools errand. Many of the "busiest" airports are due to geography/hub status meaning that most of the traffic going through the airport is connecting as opposed to O&D traffic. Moreover, the number of destinations an airport serves is more import than the number of passengers that are passing through.

San Diego International Airport's geography and hub status are some of the factors contributing to its lack of size and/or status. It's not "major" in every measurable way. Land area, traffic, total movements, number of direct international flights, runways, hours of operation, etc...

[Derek]

According to the FAA, SAN is indeed a "major" airport.

https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/cy14-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf

[202_Cyclist]

According to the FAA, SAN is indeed a "major" airport.

https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/cy14-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf

Indeed-- San Diego is a Core 30 airport. The Core 30 airports are the largest and most significant airports nationwide.

http://aspmhelp.faa.gov/index.php/Core_30

[Nerv]

According to the FAA, SAN is indeed a "major" airport.

https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/cy14-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf

Of course it is.

Don't take the bait next time.

[SDCAL]

Indeed-- San Diego is a Core 30 airport. The Core 30 airports are the largest and most significant airports nationwide.

http://aspmhelp.faa.gov/index.php/Core_30

We are on the "major airports" list, but of that list we are one of the least globally connected. In terms of Amazon's consideration, I'm not sure how much international travel their corporate employees do, but I tend to agree with eburress that our airport is more of a minus than a plus in any consideration of a company moving here. Granted, we are improving and I think the Lufthansa flight next year will help tremendously. On the very, very, very off chance Amazon did pick us for HQ2, I imagine that might spur more routes both domestic and international.

[eburress]

Indeed-- San Diego is a Core 30 airport. The Core 30 airports are the largest and most significant airports nationwide.

http://aspmhelp.faa.gov/index.php/Core_30

Out of that list of 30, where does San Diego International rank? 27. Again, does that sound "major" to you?

[Derek]

It doesn't matter what it sounds like, it's a fact lol

[Nerv]

It doesn't matter what it sounds like, it's a fact lol


You're about to get a million reasons including the size of our airport about why SD is such a hot mess and a minor league city that probably doesn't deserve to exist and why Dallas is where it's at (and the rest of Texas) and how that's really the center of the universe. Lol

You've been warned...:haha:

[eburress]

It doesn't matter what it sounds like, it's a fact lol

I'll leave it at that and let Amazon give you and SD the bad news.

[Derek]

I didn't say anything about Amazon, I was just providing a fact about the airport directly from the FAA's website. :haha:

[superfishy]

Does this affect anything this Amazon situation?

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/technology/sd-fi-amazon-utc-20170913-story.html

If they've decided to rent out some office space in San Diego already, I can't imagine them opening up even more, let alone their secondary HQ.

[JerellO]

What's with the Texas trolls? Lol take your negativity elsewhere

[eburress]

What's with the Texas trolls? Lol take your negativity elsewhere

It would be more accurate to say, take my objectivity elsewhere. People in SD don't want to build a new airport but then wonder why things like Amazon HQ2 won't happen here. It's not trolling to point out the causality of San Diego's NIMBYism.

The reality is that Amazon has created a bidding war between viable cities...the usual suspects of Chicago, DC, Dallas, Atlanta...to get the richest possible incentive package. The going rate on relocation incentives is $10K per job, so one could imagine Amazon is going to receive $100M+ in cash from one of these places. Objectively speaking, do you think San Diego can compete with that? Do you think San Diego's NIMBYs would allow it to compete with that?

[SDfan]

Seattle builds more homes than SD does and they're still struggling affordability wise. I can't imagine what a tech boom would do to SD if there wasn't significant housing construction to go with it. Honestly, I'm okay with SD passing on the application until we get our shiza together. We need more homes, before more jobs.

[Nerv]

It would be more accurate to say, take my objectivity elsewhere. People in SD don't want to build a new airport but then wonder why things like Amazon HQ2 won't happen here. It's not trolling to point out the causality of San Diego's NIMBYism.

The reality is that Amazon has created a bidding war between viable cities...the usual suspects of Chicago, DC, Dallas, Atlanta...to get the richest possible incentive package. The going rate on relocation incentives is $10K per job, so one could imagine Amazon is going to receive $100M+ in cash from one of these places. Objectively speaking, do you think San Diego can compete with that? Do you think San Diego's NIMBYs would allow it to compete with that?


He's exactly right. Boo Hoo to everyone who must endure living in such a terrible city in America like San Diego. The weather sucks, there's never anything to do, no jobs, life here is such a hardship.

I mean the city just isn't viable. We should all pick up and move to a real viable city like cowtown where we can enjoy lousy weather, be bored and have a viable life in a viable city.

I'm pretty sure one day all these dumb people in places like San Diego throughout California will realize what a big mistake we all made ever thinking to pick such a terrible place to live.

I'm glad we have such an objective voice here to tell us all the errors of our ways in thinking there is anything good about San Diego.

Bless your candid but certainly not trolling viewpoint....:worship:

[Nerv]

Seattle builds more homes than SD does and they're still struggling affordability wise. I can't imagine what a tech boom would do to SD if there wasn't significant housing construction to go with it. Honestly, I'm okay with SD passing on the application until we get our shiza together. We need more homes, before more jobs.


The article I posted on Amazon (which clearly wasn't local nor any of the other various business stories on the subject) had that as one of the negative impacts that would come with their HQ deal.

The housing crisis although pretty bad here is not just a San Diego problem. It extends into any number of other cities in the state and I've yet to see a silver bullet fix. San Francisco, Los Angeles, OC all are feeling the housing crunch that is a part of the high costs of housing and living here.

A lot of it comes down to how you feel. Do you like sprawl? Maybe you do but a number of other people don't. Do you want to see building like the east coast? Maybe you like that but a lot of people don't. Maybe you like the idea of high rises on the beach like Miami? Well there's even more that don't.

I'm not sure how every city is going to "solve" its housing problem (or not) but I don't see anything on the horizon for anything but a short term fix. A lot of economist have the US economy headed to recession in the next few years (2020 gets used a lot) with even the most optimistic seeing a pretty good slow down ahead so that should level off home values for a time.

I would expect every time home prices in the state start rising you are going to see regular dialogue on the need for new housing though. This is not a problem going away anytime soon.

[eburress]

He's exactly right. Boo Hoo to everyone who must endure living in such a terrible city in America like San Diego. The weather sucks, there's never anything to do, no jobs, life here is such a hardship.

I mean the city just isn't viable. We should all pick up and move to a real viable city like cowtown where we can enjoy lousy weather, be bored and have a viable life in a viable city.

I'm pretty sure one day all these dumb people in places like San Diego throughout California will realize what a big mistake we all made ever thinking to pick such a terrible place to live.

I'm glad we have such an objective voice here to tell us all the errors of our ways in thinking there is anything good about San Diego.

Bless your candid but certainly not trolling viewpoint....:worship:


...San Diego is objectively not viable for Amazon HQ2, based on the requirements they stated.

[IconRPCV]

I have flown non stop from SD to Tokyo and London, easy in and out quick customs, amazing experience. I have flown many time in to DTW and been delayed hours to days because of weather and congestion.

I would say when everything is considered SD's International is among the top airports in the nation.

[TonyAnderson]

They should just ban the word 'Amazon' on this website until the announcement so people like eburress above can stop having hissy fits.

[SDfan]

So I don't think the proposed Pinnacle twins are out of the picture. The proposal for a single 40+ Pinnacle tower in the EV appears to be in-addition to them, not a replacement of them. Renderings and link to the Civic SD item below.

PS the FAR on this one is amazing. Max 20 allowed, and they're at 19.18!

http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SEPT-2017-DRC-Pinnacle-Eleventh-E-Drawings.pdf


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[HurricaneHugo]

I like the height but it looks similar to all the other glass boxes we have

[SDfan]

Renders of 6th & A, 43-stories, 389' tall. Max FAR on site is 12.0, they are proposing 14.32 with bonuses.

http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SEPT-2017-DRC-Sixth-A-Drawings.pdf

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Public/Screen%20Shot%202017-09-19%20at%2010.54.38%20AM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Public/Screen%20Shot%202017-09-19%20at%2010.54.38%20AM.png.html)

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[SDfan]

Renders of 800 Broadway, 41-stories, 385' tall. Max FAR on site is 12.0, they are proposing 16.94 with bonuses.

http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SEPT-2017-DRC-800-Broadway-Drawings.pdf

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Public/Screen%20Shot%202017-09-19%20at%2011.13.13%20AM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Public/Screen%20Shot%202017-09-19%20at%2011.13.13%20AM.png.html)

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[SDfan]

Renders of Columbia & Hawthorn, 9 stories, 160' tall. Max FAR is 6.0, developer proposing 5.91. This appears to be a connected to an earlier project already in development next door (State & Grape).

http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SEPT-2017-DRC-Columbia-Hawthorne-Drawings.pdf

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Public/Screen%20Shot%202017-09-19%20at%2011.25.52%20AM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Public/Screen%20Shot%202017-09-19%20at%2011.25.52%20AM.png.html)

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[SDfan]

Renders of 14th & Commercial, 16 stories, 185'. Max FAR is 7.5, developer proposing 6.5.

http://civicsd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SEPT-2017-DRC-14th-Commercial-Drawings.pdf

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[mello]

So many excellent updates thanks SDfan. The 400 Footer up the hill from Symphony towers wow!! That will be huge for the skyline. Ok soooo many cool renderings and projects have come out the last year and a half but no action! What are the chances that CA Theatre, 1st and Cedar, Streetlights, and now all these others you just showed right now get shovels in the ground soon?

If all of these were built we are looking at a stumpy Miami here!! Lol. No kidding our skyline will be very nicely transformed I would just love to know when they will actually be underway. We all know a recession is looming sometime in the next 2 years so lets get going.

Little Italy WOW!! That place is becoming very dense and I'm surprised 9 story projects are getting greenlit on the North end of LI (Closer to Flight path). That is excellent news :cheers:

[SDfan]

So many excellent updates thanks SDfan. The 400 Footer up the hill from Symphony towers wow!! That will be huge for the skyline. Ok soooo many cool renderings and projects have come out the last year and a half but no action! What are the chances that CA Theatre, 1st and Cedar, Streetlights, and now all these others you just showed right now get shovels in the ground soon?

If all of these were built we are looking at a stumpy Miami here!! Lol. No kidding our skyline will be very nicely transformed I would just love to know when they will actually be underway. We all know a recession is looming sometime in the next 2 years so lets get going.

Little Italy WOW!! That place is becoming very dense and I'm surprised 9 story projects are getting greenlit on the North end of LI (Closer to Flight path). That is excellent news :cheers:

Thank you, my pleasure.

At this point, if it's a major high-rise, I think Bosa and Pinnacle are the players to watch.

Pinnacle is very incremental, working on one tower at a time it seems. Now that they're about 10 floors up on the red menace, I'm crossing my fingers they'll start work on the twins on Broadway.

Bosa has its hands full, obviously. Pacific Gate is nearly done, and Savina is rising quickly on Kettner. They're either going to pursue PG's twin or the Block in EV. My bet is on PG's twin, given their preference for the Embarcadero.

As for everyone else, who knows? Some of these proposals are simply done to fetch a pretty penny from bigger developers who want to limit the supply on the market, like when Bosa bought the Block from Zephyr in 2015 (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/sdut-bosa-block-zephyr-shell-2015dec10-story.html) or when Pinnacle bought Pacific Heights last year. (http://sdbj.com/news/2016/mar/02/pinnacle-international-buys-downtown-site-109-mill/)

Other times, these developers are small fry and won't procure the capital necessary to actually get their projects out of the ground. Lenders have been extremely cautious since the recession, and have even been especially less willing to invest in multi-family this past year (http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Banks-Slow-Multifamily-Lending-Even-as-GSEs-Step-on-the-Gas/184379).

But, regardless, we have a lot of great options on the table.

[mello]

Hmm, so in a way it's pointless checking out all these renderings and getting excited about them. Why aren't major Chinese developers with Capital or whoever is building all the towers in SF, Chicago, Miami, etc looking at SD as an option? It seems like there is so much potential here and silly to just let BOSA and Pinnacle corner the market.

On another note what is that huge empty parcel of dirt in your last pic? (Father Joes Project). Due South of MTS Headquarters that is a HUGE piece of land I've always wondered about.

[HurricaneHugo]

Can somebody explain what FAR is again?

I'm guessing it's the ratio of how wide the block is to how tall the building is

or Floor Area Ratio? I dunno

[SDfan]

Can somebody explain what FAR is again?

I'm guessing it's the ratio of how wide the block is to how tall the building is

or Floor Area Ratio? I dunno

From Google: FAR is the relationship between the total amount of usable floor area that a building has, or has been permitted for the building, and the total area of the lot on which the building stands. A higher ratio is more likely to indicate a dense or urban construction.

We want as high an FAR as possible, especially downtown, since most of SD is in the low single digits.

[tyleraf]

On another note what is that huge empty parcel of dirt in your last pic? (Father Joes Project). Due South of MTS Headquarters that is a HUGE piece of land I've always wondered about. Mello, at one point the Metro Center project was planned for that site.I don't know if anything is planned for the site now.
http://www.10news.com/news/-stackable-shopping-center-proposed-for-barrio-logan

[sixonenine]

I know it's a long shot but I think San Diego will appear to me more like Vancouver rather than Miami with all the new buildings going up. I mean these cities have some similarities, both have a Gastown or Gaslamp district, both are relatively close to the border, Vancouver has taller and lots more buildings but most are 500ft under (with only two being in the 600s), Bosa which has projects in Vancouver as well is def bringing Vancouver style buildings to SD. Anyways they are two totally diff cities but I can see some similarities going on as well.

[ScottSD]

Mello, at one point the Metro Center project was planned for that site.I don't know if anything is planned for the site now.
http://www.10news.com/news/-stackable-shopping-center-proposed-for-barrio-logan

SDG&E wants to use that that empty lot to build a new substation.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/sd-fi-sdge-substation-20170725-story,amp.html

[Derek]

SDG&E wants to use that that empty lot to build a new substation.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/sd-fi-sdge-substation-20170725-story,amp.html



That’s extremely unfortunate.

[Boatguy619]

a crane went up this week at pacific hwy and grape, any renderings of whats going up there?

[HurricaneHugo]

I know it's a long shot but I think San Diego will appear to me more like Vancouver rather than Miami with all the new buildings going up. I mean these cities have some similarities, both have a Gastown or Gaslamp district, both are relatively close to the border, Vancouver has taller and lots more buildings but most are 500ft under (with only two being in the 600s), Bosa which has projects in Vancouver as well is def bringing Vancouver style buildings to SD. Anyways they are two totally diff cities but I can see some similarities going on as well.

Coincidentally, it's the only Canadian city i'd move to. :D

[spoonman]

Hopefully that SDG&E substation can be located on a site less suited for redevelopment. The proposed site is right next to a major transit station (MTS Building) and is surrounded by construction.

[Streamliner]

a crane went up this week at pacific hwy and grape, any renderings of whats going up there?

Could it be 1919 Pacific Highway? Not exactly at the corner, but near that intersection:

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2016/02/16/luxury-apartments-planned-for-pacific-highway-site-in-little-italy/

https://timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1919-Pacific-Highway.jpg

[spoonman]

Could it be 1919 Pacific Highway? Not exactly at the corner, but near that intersection:

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/2016/02/16/luxury-apartments-planned-for-pacific-highway-site-in-little-italy/

https://timesofsandiego.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1919-Pacific-Highway.jpg

I believe there are 2 separate projects planned. One for the corner and one next door (the picture you posted).

[mello]

Hey guys if you read how SDfan responded to us getting false hopes up for all of those renderings and or approvals that never get off the ground I have a suggestion! Let's all start emailing the big developers doing highrises in Downtown LA.

Just pulled from LA Times article today about guy building some units that are only 400sq ft. in his new tower : Zhang is chief executive of SCG America, the U.S. subsidiary of Shanghai Construction Group.

There is also Ocean Wide, and Greenland! How come San Diego boosters aren't going a couple hours up the road to meet with those guys or wining and dining them getting them to come down here and check out DTSD.

Now that a mega project like Manchester Pacific Gateway is actually being built this should get their attention. That project is Waaaaaay bigger than the Metropolis project being constructed right now by Green Way in DTLA.

Let's try to reach out to these guys and not let BOSA and PINNACLE run the entire downtown market place there has to be other big boys willing to come down here.

[ucsbgaucho]

NFL reportedly considering moving Chargers back to San Diego

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-considering-moving-chargers-back-to-san-diego/bpzskbsytng1nwioug3s995z

[Streamliner]

I believe there are 2 separate projects planned. One for the corner and one next door (the picture you posted).

I happened to drive by that intersection last night. 1919 Pacific Coast Highway is the one with the crane. Not sure of the status of the other:

https://i.imgur.com/RVfdNkfh.jpg

Also, Rob Quigley's Bayside Fire Station across the street from the County Admin. building is coming along:

https://i.imgur.com/1uSk8VFh.jpg