SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[sandiego_urban]

This is my fiirst post in years and it's great to see that this thread is still active. :tup:

Just wondering if anyone has any info on the Monte Verde project that is currently going up at the corner of La Jolla Village and Genessee? Saw the rendering below in the Garden Communities website under "Coming Soon". Is this what is going up or is it the shorter tower in the other rendering? Either one will be a nice addition to UTC

http://www.gardencommunitiesca.com/Apartment-Rentals/CA/San-Diego/Monte-Verde.aspx#photos

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1604/26355686856_5711c47a7d_o.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1532/26315598681_21f0de7145_c.jpg

http://www.tsminc.com/projects/monte-verde/

[IconRPCV]

Whoa, that looks really nice. Wish we get some quality towers like this in LA.

And we wish we got really tall ones like you do up in the City of Angeles.

[SDfan]

This is my fiirst post in years and it's great to see that this thread is still active. :tup:

Just wondering if anyone has any info on the Monte Verde project that is currently going up at the corner of La Jolla Village and Genessee? Saw the rendering below in the Garden Communities website under "Coming Soon". Is this what is going up or is it the shorter tower in the other rendering? Either one will be a nice addition to UTC.

Welcome back! And it's the shorter tower. As for a timeline on construction, no idea other, except it's a huge hole in the ground for now.

[Northparkwizard]

Development packages for:

1st & Beech (http://civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2016/1st__Beech_3.24.16.pdf)

Citiplace (http://civicsd.com/images/stories/Citiplace_Drawings_3.24.16.pdf)

... and the grandaddy, 7th & Market (http://civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2016/7th__Market_Drawings_4.4.16.pdf)

[sandiego_urban]

Welcome back! And it's the shorter tower. As for a timeline on construction, no idea other, except it's a huge hole in the ground for now.
Hey, thanks. Shorter one for sure? As I recall, there are suppose to be 4 towers in the Monte Verde project. My hope is that they aren't the exact same height and design.


Development packages for:

1st & Beech

Citiplace

... and the grandaddy, 7th & Market
1st and Beech tower looks great, but I'm really liking 7th & Market

[SDfan]

Hey, thanks. Shorter one for sure? As I recall, there are suppose to be 4 towers in the Monte Verde project. My hope is that they aren't the exact same height and design.

As far as the city's development website had stated, the developer requested and was granted permission to lower the heights of their four towers from the 250's to 160's. My guess is that they could get the same number of units in more squat structures, which would cost less (and be much less elegant...). But whatever. UTC was never going to be our skyline savior anyways.

[SDfan]

1st & Beech is going to really fill up that section of downtown, and of course 7th & Market is going to do amazing things for the skyline on Market.

[SDCAL]

1st & Beech is going to really fill up that section of downtown, and of course 7th & Market is going to do amazing things for the skyline on Market.

Having a Ritz will be a major milestone for downtown - first large 5 star hotel, we seem to be the only major city I can think of without one. On a side note, I had no idea we no longer have a W. Apparently that hotel changed hands. :shrug:

[eburress]

Having a Ritz will be a major milestone for downtown - first large 5 star hotel, we seem to be the only major city I can think of without one. On a side note, I had no idea we no longer have a W. Apparently that hotel changed hands. :shrug:

That W was in constant trouble...for 10+ years. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did!

[spoonman]

I read an article a while back about the hotel owners wanting to re-brand the W as a Marriott Renaissance (or another Marriott brand) so the hotel would have greater appeal to business travelers. Given the location of the hotel ( near law firms and courthouses) this is somewhat understandable. The W would probably play better closer to the Gaslamp or Cc area.

I know there were plans for another W in UTC before the crash. Now that Marriott is running Starwood , I wouldn't hold my breath on any locations anywhere.

[HurricaneHugo]

Development packages for:

1st & Beech (http://civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2016/1st__Beech_3.24.16.pdf)

Citiplace (http://civicsd.com/images/stories/Citiplace_Drawings_3.24.16.pdf)

... and the grandaddy, 7th & Market (http://civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/meetings-and-events/event-calendar/2016/7th__Market_Drawings_4.4.16.pdf)

1st and Beech looks great!

Wish citiplace was taller but I'll take it

7th & Market is interesting, definitely will add bulk to the area!

[sandiego_urban]

As far as the city's development website had stated, the developer requested and was granted permission to lower the heights of their four towers from the 250's to 160's. My guess is that they could get the same number of units in more squat structures, which would cost less (and be much less elegant...). But whatever. UTC was never going to be our skyline savior anyways.
So it was the developers idea to lower the heights. Wish they would have stuck with a taller/slender design than short/squatty instead. Where's Nat Bosa when you need him :D

Having a Ritz will be a major milestone for downtown - first large 5 star hotel, we seem to be the only major city I can think of without one. On a side note, I had no idea we no longer have a W. Apparently that hotel changed hands.
I wonder if the Pendry will be considered a 5-Star property since it's part of the Montage Hotel group http://www.montagehotels.com/

Hmmm.....While there are many left, a few downtowns I can think of that don't currently have 5 star properties are Minneapolis, PHX, San Antonio, St. Louis and Tampa.

[sandiego_urban]

I read an article a while back about the hotel owners wanting to re-brand the W as a Marriott Renaissance (or another Marriott brand) so the hotel would have greater appeal to business travelers. Given the location of the hotel ( near law firms and courthouses) this is somewhat understandable. The W would probably play better closer to the Gaslamp or Cc area.

I know there were plans for another W in UTC before the crash. Now that Marriott is running Starwood , I wouldn't hold my breath on any locations anywhere.
Totally agree with the location of the former W....Bad. IMO, The W brand had run it's course and was ready for a change. Is The Moxy is under construction now? Then there's the proposed Canopy Hotel. And then there's the rumor Virgin Hotel coming to town. Those will be good replacements for the old W

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/travel/sir-richard-branson-enters-the-city-hotel-scene.html?_r=0

[Nerv]

Outside the status of saying your city has one the difference between a 4 and 5 star hotel is usually pretty subtle. I did say usually there too. I've been in a number of the 5 stars I thought were probably only as good as or inferior to some 4 stars I've been in.

I'd be more concerned about a city not having enough (based on its market) 4 star hotels in it vs not having a 5 star hotel.

Still cool if the city can support one.

[HurricaneHugo]

First design of the stadium is out:

http://www.chargers.com/galleries/2016/04/21/first-look-proposed-stadium-and-convention-center

[JerellO]

First design of the stadium is out:

http://www.chargers.com/galleries/2016/04/21/first-look-proposed-stadium-and-convention-center

It's only a conceptual design to give an idea what it and the area would look and feel like I think.

[eburress]

I like it! Fingers crossed!

[SDfan]

:lurk:

[chris08876]

First design of the stadium is out:

http://www.chargers.com/galleries/2016/04/21/first-look-proposed-stadium-and-convention-center

Just some of the same renderings but without the anti copy bs that site put up. Also for the record. :)

Some extra info can be found in the two sources below the pics.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2016/04/22/a6/d3/mid_aerial_from_southeast_credit_manica.jpg

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/04/21/STADrender1_tx600?1cac1c26287decec7a3e591fce9b6936b1eddfe5
Credit: http://www.matiastanea.gr/us/relative/sports/utsandiego/On%20deck:%20Gyorko%20returns%20to%20San%20Diego/

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/04/21/16th_Street_Ground_Level_credit_MANICA_t933x640.JPG?7ddb51df3221cac962d860c0a7c49f2d1f3cc54f

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/04/21/Low_Corner_from_Northwest_credit_MANICA_t933x640.JPG?7ddb51df3221cac962d860c0a7c49f2d1f3cc54f

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/04/21/High_Aerial_Looking_South_with_Ballpark_credit_MANICA_t933x640.JPG?7ddb51df3221cac962d860c0a7c49f2d1f3cc54f

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/04/21/Boat_Show_on_Stadium_Floor_credit_MANICA_t933x640.JPG?7ddb51df3221cac962d860c0a7c49f2d1f3cc54f
Credit for this set: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/photos/galleries/2016/apr/21/chargers-stadiumconvention-center-concept-plan/

[SDCAL]

No secret I don't think that's a good location for a stadium, but setting those feelings aside and looking at just the design I have to say meh. Looks like a garden variety stadium to me, uninspired, un-imagined, under-whelming. And what's with the half-assed attempt to "save" the wonderbread building?? Do they want to build over it or just save the facade (if you look closely it looks like concrete columns go through it). I don't mean to rain on the parade of those who like it, but to me it seems like it was slapped together quickly without any thoughtfulness so they would have an image to go along with the signature gathering that just started

[eburress]

No secret I don't think that's a good location for a stadium, but setting those feelings aside and looking at just the design I have to say meh. Looks like a garden variety stadium to me, uninspired, un-imagined, under-whelming. And what's with the half-assed attempt to "save" the wonderbread building?? Do they want to build over it or just save the facade (if you look closely it looks like concrete columns go through it). I don't mean to rain on the parade of those who like it, but to me it seems like it was slapped together quickly without any thoughtfulness so they would have an image to go along with the signature gathering that just started

I know what you mean, but like JerellO said, it's probably just a "...conceptual design [intended] to give an idea what it and the area would look and feel like." :)

[SDCAL]

I know what you mean, but like JerellO said, it's probably just a "...conceptual design [intended] to give an idea what it and the area would look and feel like." :)

True. On a separate note, has anyone been by Pacific Gate recently? The building is rising and they have yellow looking glass panels up. Not sure if that will be the glass that encapsulates the building? In renderings I thought it was going to be a clear glass. The yellow looks kind of cool though, would definitely be unique. I took a pic but I guess I need to put it in a photo sharing site to post here ..

[JerellO]

So last time i actually walked downtown was in like... 2012.. there were less people walking the streets. I only started walking around downtown again because my school is in little italy and often i have time to explore the city. I noticed that there are wayyyy more people walking the streets, i think all this development really is bringing more people and i notice more tourists, or maybe its just been awhile and im kidding myself lol. What does everyone else think?

[mello]

Yes there are a ton more people walking the streets than there used to be, more tourists, more residents and amenities, better economy, cheaper gas so more people are out doing things. More people taking uber and coming downtown not having to deal with parking etc...

About the stadium: I'm ok with the location IF -- awesome stuff is done at Mission Valley to make up for the lost space downtown and adjacent Barrio Logan land just south of Stadium Site is up zoned for super intensive development. The design is a decent start and I'm open to seeing any new ideas on how the parts bordering the streets can be "activated" Maybe Tech office space built in some how, come on guys we can make it all work call it the TechMillenialHausBoltventadium!!!:cheers:

[superfishy]

I think the location of the stadium could be beneficial. Development further south, especially on the scale of an NFL stadium, could make Bario Logan a more attractive location for high rise developers. If development continues in that direction, we could be free of the 500 ft limit.

[SDfan]

Note on Barrio Logan: development there is restricted to 5-6 stories. That's not going to change with a stadium.

[mello]

^^^^ What is exactly considered "Barrio Logan" I'm looking at satellite view of google maps right now, there is a HUGE empty lot bordering National and 16th St. It has been fenced off forever I have always wondered what it's status is. Also along Commercial St adjacent to the lot I just mentioned is another large triangular lot very underutilized some pipe fitting company. Commercial/17th smaller lot but still could fit a tower Rescue recovering and towing??? Come on...

Then along Newton between 16th and Sigsbee very long block more LA style you have two junk yards just sitting there. I would say everything North of Sigsbee isn't truely "Barrio Logan" I think this is the area people are saying could basically be co opted as part of the "East Village" and built up with highrises. There is no community character to be affected it is just shitty underutilized land. I suggest that you guys actually take some time and look at Google maps to see what I'm referring to.

Personally I think the true "Barrio Logan" as a community starts South of Beardsley St. It becomes more residential with churches and such. Everything North of it is pretty much crap and has no reason to not be fully utilized with 20 to 40 floor structures.

Note: Commercial and 14th street yet another empty lot next to Father Joes I know it's where all the homeless and street urchins hang out just saying there is quite a bit of land left to be developed even if a Convadium is built.

[SDCAL]

THE PORT, THE LAYWER, AND THE SALESMAN:
HOW SAN DIEGO'S VISION FOR A WORLD CLASS WATERFRONT VANISHED

This is a REALLY interesting read for anyone interested in DT SD development. It talks about the North Embarcadero and the influence of Cory Briggs and Steve Cushman (who I never really heard of before). Reading this, it's really depressing to see how two people seemingly halted so much potential

http://inewsource.org/2016/04/25/san-diego-waterfront-vision-port/

[The Flying Dutchman]

Notice of Application for 7th and Island hotel (Canopy by Hilton)
http://www.civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/planning/public-notices/NOAP_-_7th__Island_Hotel_-_4.26.16.pdf

20 stories
240 ft.
324 keys

Found an old article about it here:
http://sdbj.com/news/2014/oct/16/hilton-plans-new-canopy-hotel-downtown-san-diego/

Rendering from 2014:
http://ocbj.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/10/16/Hilton_Canopy_7th_Ave_view_t620.jpg?fbf2daa044e08a86b24c9c38cd7501865a0e2373

[The Flying Dutchman]

THE PORT, THE LAYWER, AND THE SALESMAN:
HOW SAN DIEGO'S VISION FOR A WORLD CLASS WATERFRONT VANISHED

This is a REALLY interesting read for anyone interested in DT SD development. It talks about the North Embarcadero and the influence of Cory Briggs and Steve Cushman (who I never really heard of before). Reading this, it's really depressing to see how two people seemingly halted so much potential

http://inewsource.org/2016/04/25/san-diego-waterfront-vision-port/

I was totally going to post this. This article from KPBS is some of the best reporting I've seen in San Diego, and as an Aztec, it does me proud. (KPBS is an SDSU production)

Anyway, it's really sad how money and politics gets in the way of things. Sometimes I wonder what could have been accomplished if Bill Fulton had remained in San Diego and the CCRedevAgency wasn't abolished by Gov. Brown. What little time it did exist, basically turned San Diego's downtown around.

[SDCAL]

I was totally going to post this. This article from KPBS is some of the best reporting I've seen in San Diego, and as an Aztec, it does me proud. (KPBS is an SDSU production)

Anyway, it's really sad how money and politics gets in the way of things. Sometimes I wonder what could have been accomplished if Bill Fulton had remained in San Diego and the CCRedevAgency wasn't abolished by Gov. Brown. What little time it did exist, basically turned San Diego's downtown around.

Completely agree about the reporting. I remember so much back and forth over Lane Field and the Embarcadero over the past decade - reading about plans, delays, etc. - but never really understanding the whole background behind what was being done. This article really gives insight into the players and conflicting visions going on behind the scenes. Our waterfront could be so much better if a comprehensive plan had ensued that brought a large green space all along the North and South Embarcadero. Imagine that with the new Bosa towers as the backdrop. Talk about a missed opportunity. Hopefully the North Embarcadero can still be done as planned

As far as the Canopy Hilton, that is right next to the proposed Ritz site. Do you think they could commence construction on both simultaneously? Or, which will break ground 1st? Personally I'd much rather see the Ritz development get underway than that Hilton ;)

[The Flying Dutchman]

The Ritz project seems to be much further along so you might just get your wish.

[sandiego_urban]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/26644109536_28220e9ce5_o.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1610/26577525812_61771d4f85.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1640/26577523662_5406f9f37c.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1478/26644112006_a170c038e1.jpg

Not sure if this was posted earlier in the thread or not. Anyone have any more info on Bosa's proposed tower for the current Paladion site? Architects website say it's going to be a 42 story tower.

I really like this design :tup:

http://www.amanatarchitect.com/777/index.php

[sandiego_urban]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1469/26577809752_f220e5c749_c.jpg

Would it kill Sunroad to build one 22 story office tower downtown instead of 2 11 story buildings in Kearny Mesa?

http://www.gensler.com/projects/sunroad-centrum?q=sunroad

[sandiego_urban]

Notice of Application for 7th and Island hotel (Canopy by Hilton)
http://www.civicsd.com/images/stories/downloads/planning/public-notices/NOAP_-_7th__Island_Hotel_-_4.26.16.pdf

20 stories
240 ft.
324 keys

Found an old article about it here:
http://sdbj.com/news/2014/oct/16/hilton-plans-new-canopy-hotel-downtown-san-diego/

Rendering from 2014:
http://ocbj.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/10/16/Hilton_Canopy_7th_Ave_view_t620.jpg?fbf2daa044e08a86b24c9c38cd7501865a0e2373
Not a bad looking building

[JerellO]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/26644109536_28220e9ce5_o.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1610/26577525812_61771d4f85.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1640/26577523662_5406f9f37c.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1478/26644112006_a170c038e1.jpg

Not sure if this was posted earlier in the thread or not. Anyone have any more info on Bosa's proposed tower for the current Paladion site? Architects website say it's going to be a 42 story tower.

I really like this design :tup:

http://www.amanatarchitect.com/777/index.php

Wow that's sexy.

[SDCAL]

^ I agree about the design of that tower, very nice love the curves. If they would re-vamp Horton Plaza and turn it inside out to have store facades at street level, it would go very nicely with this being proposed across the street. Could really activate that street on the west side of hp.

[Streamliner]

Wow, now that's how you make balconies look good! Reminds me of Aqua (http://s3.amazonaws.com/architecture-org/files/buildings/aqua-tower-02.jpg)in Chicago


Too bad it won't have much of a skyline impact, it will be largely hidden by Meridian Place from western views, and the Hyatts/Children's Museum tower from Coronado views. This kind of design would be great for the waterfront.

[sandiego_urban]

Wow, now that's how you make balconies look good! Reminds me of Aqua (http://s3.amazonaws.com/architecture-org/files/buildings/aqua-tower-02.jpg)in Chicago


Too bad it won't have much of a skyline impact, it will be largely hidden by Meridian Place from western views, and the Hyatts/Children's Museum tower from Coronado views. This kind of design would be great for the waterfront.
Totally agree about its resemblance to Aqua in Chicago and that's a good thing.

Also agree about its impact on the skyline. As much as I like the look of Pacific Gate, I'd rather see this design in its place. The Ballpark Village tower and the Pinnacle twins are other sites where this design would work.

On another note, the new courthouse tower looks better than I thought it would. Very solid and timeless.

[IMBY]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1469/26577809752_f220e5c749_c.jpg

Would it kill Sunroad to build one 22 story office tower downtown instead of 2 11 story buildings in Kearny Mesa?

http://www.gensler.com/projects/sunroad-centrum?q=sunroad

It's no mystery why this site was chosen over a downtown location, as these decisions rest with the Executives, who may live within a short drive of this site and their golf course. And who cares of if the lowest paid employee, with no car, has to somehow get to work everyday!

Just like Con Agra moving their Hdqtrs from Omaha to downtown Chicago. Could be, the executive fell in love with someone on a business trip there, and?

"I'm not moving to Omaha! If you want to marry me, then move your company here!"

If any city had the likes of the late Mayor Daley of Chicago, a good number of our major cities would resemble downtown Chicago. He simply wouldn't allow it, a company to vacate the Loop and move to the burbs.

Sears threatened to move in the early 70's. Mayor Daley: What can we do to keep you here?

"I'll need 2 contingent square blocks in the downtown area, and you'll close off a street for us?"

Mayor Daley: "You've got it!"

[SDfan]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/26644109536_28220e9ce5_o.jpg

Not sure if this was posted earlier in the thread or not. Anyone have any more info on Bosa's proposed tower for the current Paladion site? Architects website say it's going to be a 42 story tower.

I really like this design :tup:

http://www.amanatarchitect.com/777/index.php

Holy! I hope this makes it to market. I haven't seen any demo notifications for the site nor permitting requests, so this is probably very conceptual.

[SDfan]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1469/26577809752_f220e5c749_c.jpg

Would it kill Sunroad to build one 22 story office tower downtown instead of 2 11 story buildings in Kearny Mesa?

http://www.gensler.com/projects/sunroad-centrum?q=sunroad

I know. :( But the market conditions aren't there yet (nor have they been for nearly a decade, minus build to suit towers).

[sandiego_urban]

Holy! I hope this makes it to market. I haven't seen any demo notifications for the site nor permitting requests, so this is probably very conceptual.
A good sign that this may not be conceptual is because Amanat's website shows the final designs for Horizons, Bayside and the yet to be built Kettner/Ash project Let's keep our fingers crossed that 777 Front will be coming on board next.

http://www.amanatarchitect.com/projects/residential.html

On a related note, looks like Kettner and Ash looks to be taking off soon.

http://www.bosadev.com/coming-soon.html

[sandiego_urban]

I know. :( But the market conditions aren't there yet (nor have they been for nearly a decade, minus build to suit towers).
The downtown office market needs to take off soon before it's end up like Vancouver's West End, where it's mostly residential towers with little commercial. It would be horrible to have a reverse commute from downtown to UTC, Sorrento Valley or Carlsbad. I'm hoping Makers Quarter and I.D.E.A. District will be a game changer.

[nezbn22]

A good sign that this may not be conceptual is because Amanat's website shows the final designs for Horizons, Bayside and the yet to be built Kettner/Ash project Let's keep our fingers crossed that 777 Front will be coming on board next.

http://www.amanatarchitect.com/projects/residential.html

On a related note, looks like Kettner and Ash looks to be taking off soon.

http://www.bosadev.com/coming-soon.html

I don't know why they haven't announced it yet (maybe they don't want to take attention away from Pacific Gate sales?), but Kettner & Ash has definitely broken ground already. I drive past it everyday on my reverse commute out of downtown (:(), and the lot is fenced off with construction vehicles and machines moving dirt.

[Andy-4-SD]

Totally agree about its resemblance to Aqua in Chicago and that's a good thing.

Also agree about its impact on the skyline. As much as I like the look of Pacific Gate, I'd rather see this design in its place. The Ballpark Village tower and the Pinnacle twins are other sites where this design would work.

On another note, the new courthouse tower looks better than I thought it would. Very solid and timeless.

Doesn't Bosa own the property at 1st and Island? That would be an awesome spot too.

[eburress]

The downtown office market needs to take off soon before it's end up like Vancouver's West End, where it's mostly residential towers with little commercial. It would be horrible to have a reverse commute from downtown to UTC, Sorrento Valley or Carlsbad. I'm hoping Makers Quarter and I.D.E.A. District will be a game changer.

That's already what it is. Isn't the UTC/Sorrento Valley already San Diego's largest employment center?

[Streamliner]

Doesn't Bosa own the property at 1st and Island? That would be an awesome spot too.

Yes he does. There was a proposal for that awhile back. Looked extremely bland. Hopefully they rethink that design. Does anybody remember when that site was going to be a tower KUSI newsroom? This was probably 14 years ago...

BOSA also owns the Office Depot parcel on Pacific Hwy/E street right? That would be another good signature tower location. Until the Naval Broadway Complex is built at least.

[SDfan]

If I see one more waterfront proposal I am going to :lynchmob:

Bids show interest in Seaport Village
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/may/02/seaport-village-bids-in/


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/City%20Pictures/B8894234Z.1_20160502192022_000GJ3HPDN8.2-0_t837.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/City%20Pictures/B8894234Z.1_20160502192022_000GJ3HPDN8.2-0_t837.jpg.html)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/City%20Pictures/B8894234Z.1_20160502192022_000GJ3HPDNM.3-0_r900x493.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/City%20Pictures/B8894234Z.1_20160502192022_000GJ3HPDNM.3-0_r900x493.jpg.html)

[SDfan]

That's not to say I'm opposed to waterfront development, I'm just tired of the 983292302 proposals flying around the bay.

[spoonman]

That's not to say I'm opposed to waterfront development, I'm just tired of the 983292302 proposals flying around the bay.

Makes it fun though to watch the angry NIMBY villagers take to the comment section in the UT to complain about height, density, parking, potholes, developers, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

[spoonman]

From the south side, the proposed tower reminds me of the John Hancock in Boston

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/City%20Pictures/B8894234Z.1_20160502192022_000GJ3HPDN8.2-0_t837.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/City%20Pictures/B8894234Z.1_20160502192022_000GJ3HPDNM.3-0_r900x493.jpg

http://thegrapecatcher.com/hancock.jpg

[sandiego_urban]

I don't know why they haven't announced it yet (maybe they don't want to take attention away from Pacific Gate sales?), but Kettner & Ash has definitely broken ground already. I drive past it everyday on my reverse commute out of downtown (:(), and the lot is fenced off with construction vehicles and machines moving dirt.
It is strange that Bosa has been quiet about the groundbreaking of Kettner and Ash. Still not a bad looking design after all these years.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7229/26219479884_0026b9ac5a_b.jpg


That's already what it is. Isn't the UTC/Sorrento Valley already San Diego's largest employment center?
Probably, but I read somewhere that 80,000 people still work downtown, while 35,000 live there. It would be really terrible if it was the other way around.

Yes he does. There was a proposal for that awhile back. Looked extremely bland. Hopefully they rethink that design. Does anybody remember when that site was going to be a tower KUSI newsroom? This was probably 14 years ago...

BOSA also owns the Office Depot parcel on Pacific Hwy/E street right? That would be another good signature tower location. Until the Naval Broadway Complex is built at least.
Good point on both.

That's not to say I'm opposed to waterfront development, I'm just tired of the 983292302 proposals flying around the bay.
Exactly. We've seen so many of them that we're all a bit jaded. I do like the tower in the rendering, though.

[HurricaneHugo]

Anybody go to the Horton Plaza Park opening?

Kinda underwhelmed by it, especially with the freaking starbucks right there, not sure if it was worth 18M.

But eh, San Diego now has a place to gather for big events

I can imagine showing WC games or the Superbowl there

[SDCAL]

Anybody go to the Horton Plaza Park opening?

Kinda underwhelmed by it, especially with the freaking starbucks right there, not sure if it was worth 18M.

But eh, San Diego now has a place to gather for big events

I can imagine showing WC games or the Superbowl there

I drove by it and it looks very cluttered. Not sure if they have a bunch of extra things out for the grand opening, but it doesn't seem like a park - more like a place to store crap. There was some very cheesy looking white picket fence snaking through it that looked temporary (at least I REALLY hope it's temporary). My hope is that after whatever they are doing for the opening is finished they will clear out the clutter and it will look more inviting

[SDCAL]

That's not to say I'm opposed to waterfront development, I'm just tired of the 983292302 proposals flying around the bay.

We've had some doozies for sure ;)

http://voiceofsandiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/neptune.jpg

[JerellO]

I went to Horton plaza around noon and loved it.. It was cluttered because of the event.. Extra lights, speakers and seating. The Starbucks didn't bother me at all.

[The Flying Dutchman]

The old bank makes it look cramped, IMO. I'd probably preferred if the bank wasn't there, but it is a historical building and worth preserving.

[Streamliner]

The old bank makes it look cramped, IMO. I'd probably preferred if the bank wasn't there, but it is a historical building and worth preserving.

I agree that it cramps the plaza. It wouldn't be so bad if the facade was facing the plaza instead of the blank wall. Though having a rotating mural/art exhibit on the wall is a nice touch, similar to Trafalgar Square.

[JerellO]

I agree that it cramps the plaza. It wouldn't be so bad if the facade was facing the plaza instead of the blank wall. Though having a rotating mural/art exhibit on the wall is a nice touch, similar to Trafalgar Square.

And the roof is used to shoot fireworks.. So for New Years celebration it should be pretty awesome.. I wonder how they plan on doing the countdown :)

[Northparkwizard]

7th & Island hotel.
http://i.imgur.com/QlWRNgO.png

Full drawings. (http://www.civicsd.com/images/stories/7th__Island_Hotel_Drawings.pdf)

[SDfan]

7th & Island hotel.
http://i.imgur.com/QlWRNgO.png

Full drawings. (http://www.civicsd.com/images/stories/7th__Island_Hotel_Drawings.pdf)

Haha! It's 239' 6"

I had read from multiple sources that 240" is essentially a max height financially for a lot of structures, unless the push to 480"-500". Anything in between is less feasible.

[Bertrice]

As long as Tivoli stays

[SDfan]

Some more rendering of 7th & Island:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.10.47%20PM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.10.47%20PM.png.html)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.12.05%20PM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.12.05%20PM.png.html)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.11.18%20PM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.11.18%20PM.png.html)

[SDfan]

So Beech Street Tower was approved. Let's place bets on how long it takes Bosa or Pinnacle to buy out the project (to keep the market tight). :D

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Beech-Street1-536x636_2.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Beech-Street1-536x636_2.jpg.html)

[HurricaneHugo]

Haha! It's 239' 6"

I had read from multiple sources that 240" is essentially a max height financially for a lot of structures, unless the push to 480"-500". Anything in between is less feasible.

Well obviously this means we have to increase the height to 480 feet!

[nezbn22]

Some more rendering of 7th & Island:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.10.47%20PM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.10.47%20PM.png.html)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.12.05%20PM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.12.05%20PM.png.html)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c24/SDfan12/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.11.18%20PM.png (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/SDfan12/media/Renderings/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-06%20at%202.11.18%20PM.png.html)

Much bigger fan of the 2014 rendering:

http://sdbj.com/news/2014/oct/16/hilton-plans-new-canopy-hotel-downtown-san-diego/

[HurricaneHugo]

Goodbye Taco Express (NW corner A st and State st)

What's going in it's place?

https://i.imgur.com/NRJ1I2J.jpg

[The Flying Dutchman]

I'm pretty sure it's this:

http://media.sdreader.com/img/photos/2014/03/04/hotel_design_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2014/mar/04/stringers-hotel-downsizes-financial-reasons/

http://tuckersadler.com/portfolio/hospitality/401-ash

Who knows if it's the taller one that was originally planned (and, oddly, listed on the architect page) or the shorter, 183 ft tower reported by the Reader.

[spoonman]

I believe this rendering is the shorter version. If I recall correctly, the developer had difficulty securing financing for the larger project resulting in a modest reduction in scale.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Sounds like Lane Field phase 2 (Intercontinental Hotel) has begun construction.

http://www.sdbj.com/news/2016/may/10/developers-get-financing-start-construction-interc/

http://ocbj.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2016/05/10/Portman_BRIC_SD_t620.jpg?fbf2daa044e08a86b24c9c38cd7501865a0e2373

http://isellthecity.com/wp-content/uploads/Lane-Field-South-View-from-West.jpg

Phase 1 as it stands now:
http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2016/04/07/B8882703Z.1_20160407211032_000G3QFSU1F.1-0_r900x493.jpg?122770e84b36f1c039d5c4c2ca15c2d8bc4ecd52

[HurricaneHugo]

Bleh.

[embora]

Sounds like Lane Field phase 2 (Intercontinental Hotel) has begun construction.


To corroborate this: I saw a sign on the parking lot on that site that said it would close for good May 8 (last Sunday).

[nezbn22]

To corroborate this: I saw a sign on the parking lot on that site that said it would close for good May 8 (last Sunday).

To corroborate this even further, I drove past the site today, and it's fenced off with all the asphalt chewed up. It's definitely under construction.

[mello]

Finally the lot near Sprouts on Park Blvd in University Heights is fenced off and underconstruction. I think it is going to be a 7 floor structure and it's a project by Jonathan Segal.

-- Also noticed huge clearing of land and crappy structures in Little Italy Kettner and Ivy all the way up to India St. Which project is this?

[dtell04]

Well obviously this means we have to increase the height to 480 feet!

If I understand it correctly after about 240 feet or 22 floor you have to build a separate internal structure to earthquake proof the building. This is why we generally see 20ish story buildings or 45 story buildings. If you are building that internal structure you might as well go up as far as you can.

[nezbn22]

-- Also noticed huge clearing of land and crappy structures in Little Italy Kettner and Ivy all the way up to India St. Which project is this?

Kettner Lofts?

https://www.bisnow.com/san-diego/news/capital-markets/citymark-gets-the-dough-to-start-kettner-lofts-52565

[The Flying Dutchman]

Finally the lot near Sprouts on Park Blvd in University Heights is fenced off and underconstruction. I think it is going to be a 7 floor structure and it's a project by Jonathan Segal.

-- Also noticed huge clearing of land and crappy structures in Little Italy Kettner and Ivy all the way up to India St. Which project is this?

Another tasteful Jonathan Segal project:

Park & Polk
http://www.jonathansegalarchitect.com/polk-and-park/#/polk-and-park-gallery/

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52adcd3de4b0cfa1815778e1/56d0c25f4c2f85842f6c26e0/56d0c2b7555986b19deb695f/1456521929982/POLK_MODEL_+%283+of+16%29.jpg?format=2500w

[Northparkwizard]

I'm not a huge fan of his form but I have to give credit where credit is due. Dude's been developing in neighborhoods before, during and after the market fluctuation. I think his intentions are good(and profitable) so I'll give him a pass on wearing the "respect the architect" t-shirt 24/7/365.

[eburress]

Another tasteful Jonathan Segal project:

Park & Polk
http://www.jonathansegalarchitect.com/polk-and-park/#/polk-and-park-gallery/

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52adcd3de4b0cfa1815778e1/56d0c25f4c2f85842f6c26e0/56d0c2b7555986b19deb695f/1456521929982/POLK_MODEL_+%283+of+16%29.jpg?format=2500w

Oooooh, I like it! Stylish and better-looking/lasting materials than the typical lazy, ugly stucco turd that's built around here.

[embora]

Yesterday evening I saw construction fencing around the site bound by 11th and Park on the north side of F Street. I think that would be for the F11 development:


7-Story Mixed-Use Development OK’d in East Village
Posted by Chris Jennewein on March 4, 2015 in Business

Civic San Diego, the city-owned development arm, has approved a seven-story project of luxury apartments and stores in the emerging I.D.E.A. district in the East Village.

The F11 development by the Richman Group of California on the north side of F Street between 11th Avenue and Park Boulevard will include 99 apartments and 5,600 square feet of street-level commercial space. The mixed-use development includes exercise facilities and a bowling alley.


http://timesofsandiego.com/business/2015/03/04/7-story-mixed-use-development-approved-in-east-village/

http://jexh1kujdl2rjoqlfrvego6i.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/F11.jpg

[SDCAL]

Oooooh, I like it! Stylish and better-looking/lasting materials than the typical lazy, ugly stucco turd that's built around here.

I agree - this seems like the type of building that will age well and still be stylish and sturdy 2 decades from now

[SDCAL]

As excited as I am about the IDEA District projects starting to break ground, I am pretty disappointed in the heights or lack thereof. I know I and others have bitched ad nauseam about the height limits downtown, but with each wave of building booms we get I can't help to think of the missed opportunities of having some true skyscrapers here. When I drive into downtown on the 5, I see huge flags atop buildings as well as the cranes at the new courthouse which appear to be taller than OAP that's at the 500ft maximum. If >500ft structures pose such a flight risk, then why are the cranes and flags allowed to go over it??

Speaking of height disappointments, The Rey is really disappointing. The building itself looks nice, but it's significantly shorter than Vantage Point and the financial buildings surrounding it. I was hoping it would add some bulk to the financial district skyline, but instead it looks more like a stubby infill

[The Flying Dutchman]

Interesting article (mostly stuff we've all heard before) on malls, notably UTC and Horton Plaza. Of note: Horton Plaza mall downtown could undergo a 300 million dollar renovation as soon as next year for a 2019 completion.

"Corti said various concepts for the 31-year-old ['Horton'] mall are being considered, including rebuilding the project with hotel, office and residential uses on top of reconfigured retail levels. He estimated the redevelopment cost at $300 million and said a construction start date is possible next year for completion by 2019, although a company spokesman said those details are still in flux."

"[Corti] said he’s going to Las Vegas next week for the annual International Council of Shopping Centers convention to talk up Horton Plaza’s redevelopment. A projected record 40,000 delegates are attending — further evidence that malls aren’t dead."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/may/17/retail-online-westfield-kimco/

[JerellO]

Interesting article (mostly stuff we've all heard before) on malls, notably UTC and Horton Plaza. Of note: Horton Plaza mall downtown could undergo a 300 million dollar renovation as soon as next year for a 2019 completion.

"Corti said various concepts for the 31-year-old ['Horton'] mall are being considered, including rebuilding the project with hotel, office and residential uses on top of reconfigured retail levels. He estimated the redevelopment cost at $300 million and said a construction start date is possible next year for completion by 2019, although a company spokesman said those details are still in flux."

"[Corti] said he’s going to Las Vegas next week for the annual International Council of Shopping Centers convention to talk up Horton Plaza’s redevelopment. A projected record 40,000 delegates are attending — further evidence that malls aren’t dead."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/may/17/retail-online-westfield-kimco/

I like the maze-like feel of Horton Plaza on the inside.. It has a sort of European feel to it, especially with the architecture... What I think the city should do is just open up the ground floor spaces out and spilling onto the streets. A great example to look at would be DTLA's former Macy's Plaza which was built as a fortress as well but is now currently being redeveloped into a more pedestrian oriented space called The Bloc with shops opening up to the outside and also letting natural light in.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Horton has its charms, to be sure. $300 million is a lot, and will likely mean tearing down structures and maybe even connecting F St. again. For comparison, Ballpark Village is a $250 million project, and the Ritz/Cisterra deal is $400 million.

It WOULD be nice if F St. and G St. both connected all the way to Harbor Dr., to match up with Manchester Pacific Gateway (which is definitely connecting F and G Streets).

[nezbn22]

Horton has its charms, to be sure. $300 million is a lot, and will likely mean tearing down structures and maybe even connecting F St. again. For comparison, Ballpark Village is a $250 million project, and the Ritz/Cisterra deal is $400 million.

It WOULD be nice if F St. and G St. both connected all the way to Harbor Dr., to match up with Manchester Pacific Gateway (which is definitely connecting F and G Streets).

The biggest problem with opening F St. all the way to Harbor is that you'd have to cut through the two condo complexes surrounding Pantoja Park between State and Kettner. Pacific Gateway will open up E, F, and G within its complex, but G is your only hope for an uninterrupted passage continuing across downtown.

[SDCAL]

Horton has its charms, to be sure. $300 million is a lot, and will likely mean tearing down structures and maybe even connecting F St. again. For comparison, Ballpark Village is a $250 million project, and the Ritz/Cisterra deal is $400 million.

It WOULD be nice if F St. and G St. both connected all the way to Harbor Dr., to match up with Manchester Pacific Gateway (which is definitely connecting F and G Streets).

I think this project would need to spend big and tear down structures in order to be successful; otherwise it would just be slapping some superficial improvements to a fortress that needs to be opened-up. I think something more modern and airy that has more of a unified design concept would be cool, as opposed to the hodge-podge that exists now. I see lots of glass at street level to open it up and help it assimilate into the surrounding urban fabric. I think it would need to be a pretty significant gut-job to get it right. I went to UTC for the first time in like 4 or 5 years the other day and they did a pretty good job with that revamp. I realize UTC and HP are totally different in location, design, surrounding areas, etc, but I think Westfield has the finances and capability to transform HP. They have large projects all over the world they are doing in their key locations, including a huge project in NYC at the WTC .

[JPAztec]

Link for the Turner Construction Cam. Quite the project, and easy to see why it's moving along slowly compared to Pacific Gateway, they got out of the ground around the same time. This site is huge.

http://www.workzonecam.com/projects/turner7/ballparkvillage/workzonecam

[Nerv]

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpeg/6f136d2d112260b39c5ac9d7bb0a5885224c0418.jpeg

Does anyone know what the current plans (if any) are for the land which is currently a parking lot and in front of the Ballpark Village project going towards Harbor drive?

I know in the past I saw a couple of high rises suggested on that site in some renderings but is anything looking like a go in the near future?

It's a prime lot tucked in a place that screams build.

[sandiego_urban]

Interesting article (mostly stuff we've all heard before) on malls, notably UTC and Horton Plaza. Of note: Horton Plaza mall downtown could undergo a 300 million dollar renovation as soon as next year for a 2019 completion.

"Corti said various concepts for the 31-year-old ['Horton'] mall are being considered, including rebuilding the project with hotel, office and residential uses on top of reconfigured retail levels. He estimated the redevelopment cost at $300 million and said a construction start date is possible next year for completion by 2019, although a company spokesman said those details are still in flux."

"[Corti] said he’s going to Las Vegas next week for the annual International Council of Shopping Centers convention to talk up Horton Plaza’s redevelopment. A projected record 40,000 delegates are attending — further evidence that malls aren’t dead."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/may/17/retail-online-westfield-kimco/
It's about time the mall re-invented itself. The firm that provided renderings for Horton Plaza Park has a single rendering of the mall as viewed from the park. Works for me.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7605/27263995761_9aa06e0c26_o.png

http://www.ttgcorp.com/home/markets/horton-plaza-park/

[sandiego_urban]

Does anyone know what the current plans (if any) are for the land which is currently a parking lot and in front of the Ballpark Village project going towards Harbor drive?

I know in the past I saw a couple of high rises suggested on that site in some renderings but is anything looking like a go in the near future?

It's a prime lot tucked in a place that screams build.
Renderings of the recent Chargers stadium proposals show twin towers on the site. I'm guessing it's another hotel?

https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7183/27264438061_5cdb1da915_c.jpg

[mello]

That lot is set to be the JMI (John Moores) mega hotel. 1600 rooms two 500 ft towers. I read an article in the UT two months ago that said they plan to break ground on it by 1st Quarter 2017 whether or not the Convadium passes.

Speaking of breaking ground I really hope BOSA's other tower next to Pacific Gate across Broadway gets going before the next recession hits. That one will really complete an impressive cluster of towers along Pac Hwy and Kettner kind of a mini Miami/Vancouver type row of highrises.

[regboi30]

Off topic but I think that the property (Office Depot) on 825 W E St, San Diego, CA 92101 Pacific Hwy should be demolished for future high rise development. It looks out of place or suburban for the surrounding area whatever development that takes place there Office Depot could be located elsewhere or be included into the groundfloor retail of the future development.

[dtell04]

Does anyone know what happened to 15th and Island tower 2? It would be a huge bummer if that one didn't get built.

[nezbn22]

Off topic but I think that the property (Office Depot) on 825 W E St, San Diego, CA 92101 Pacific Hwy should be demolished for future high rise development. It looks out of place or suburban for the surrounding area whatever development that takes place there Office Depot could be located elsewhere or be included into the groundfloor retail of the future development.

That's another lot owned by Bosa. At some point, he'll put a tower on that property. But unfortunately, there are no imminent plans. For the foreseeable future, we're probably going to have to live with that dingy Office Depot.

[SDCAL]

That lot is set to be the JMI (John Moores) mega hotel. 1600 rooms two 500 ft towers. I read an article in the UT two months ago that said they plan to break ground on it by 1st Quarter 2017 whether or not the Convadium passes.

Speaking of breaking ground I really hope BOSA's other tower next to Pacific Gate across Broadway gets going before the next recession hits. That one will really complete an impressive cluster of towers along Pac Hwy and Kettner kind of a mini Miami/Vancouver type row of highrises.

The project I'm most anticipating is the Ritz-Whole Foods. It's been an eyesore surface parking lot so long. I also see TONS of hotels being built, I hope that one can get off the ground soon. Anyone have info on when this one is scheduled to groundbreak?

[nezbn22]

The project I'm most anticipating is the Ritz-Whole Foods. It's been an eyesore surface parking lot so long. I also see TONS of hotels being built, I hope that one can get off the ground soon. Anyone have info on when this one is scheduled to groundbreak?

It needs to go back before city council to approve the sale of the property (they've been negotiating since December I think) before they can do anything. Get ready for some super heavy political pressure from labor unions to shut the sale down unless whole foods and ritz agree to hire union employees. If city council screws this up, I'm gonna lose my mind.

[SDCAL]

It needs to go back before city council to approve the sale of the property (they've been negotiating since December I think) before they can do anything. Get ready for some super heavy political pressure from labor unions to shut the sale down unless whole foods and ritz agree to hire union employees. If city council screws this up, I'm gonna lose my mind.

I thought they cleared that hurdle back in December? I remember it being in the news. Any idea on when the council is set to hear it again?

[RST500]

It's about time the mall re-invented itself. The firm that provided renderings for Horton Plaza Park has a single rendering of the mall as viewed from the park. Works for me.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7605/27263995761_9aa06e0c26_o.png

http://www.ttgcorp.com/home/markets/horton-plaza-park/

That's really awful. Looks like the typical sterile malls that have been built the last decade. Horton Plaza is a unique place and must be preserved.