Tempe Development Thread

[Mr.RE]

Sorry guys... but Sparky's takes the "cake-flavored ice cream"! lol

[exit2lef]

Meh, I think Churn is better.

I like Churn too, especially their Vietnamese coffee flavor.

[KEVINphx]

Thrifty Ice Cream!!

LMAO no - this stuff taste like sugar syrup way too dated in quality!

Sweet Republic is hands down best - the flavor/sugar ratio is great and texture reminds you of home-churned creams!

Churn is OK :-D :cheers:

[asugrad]

Marina Heights now has Carvana!

https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/98021907_3108049172550751_936668651417763840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=zNvarjKQJ3UAX8d2g6C&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=b551d7a3ae694079b506b3ab9059c859&oe=5EEB3212

[azsunsurfer]

Marina Heights now has Carvana!

http://https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/98021907_3108049172550751_936668651417763840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=zNvarjKQJ3UAX8d2g6C&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=b551d7a3ae694079b506b3ab9059c859&oe=5EEB3212

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PS- Yes Thrifty Ice Cream is great although I know some flavors are a little too sweet.

[combusean]

Fixed the above.

[Mr.RE]

Check out this slide deck for the site next to the Pier 202 high rise. Has some good nuggets of information in here.

https://my.rcm1.com/handler/brochure.aspx?pv=d3XRZHpBU3H5VjsXRZIdAuP9ZdwLVlvw3naK6S8FlTmVBf8zdspaZJH78xpDKSDV

[azsunsurfer]

Check out this slide deck for the site next to the Pier 202 high rise. Has some good nuggets of information in here.

https://my.rcm1.com/handler/brochure.aspx?pv=d3XRZHpBU3H5VjsXRZIdAuP9ZdwLVlvw3naK6S8FlTmVBf8zdspaZJH78xpDKSDV

Wasn't that the site that was suppose to have the Mirabella copy project?

[xymox]

Marina Heights now has Carvana!

https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/98021907_3108049172550751_936668651417763840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=zNvarjKQJ3UAX8d2g6C&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=b551d7a3ae694079b506b3ab9059c859&oe=5EEB3212

Carvana moved in there back in Nov I think...but now everyone is working at home so that building is empty. :)

[muertecaza]

Crap pictures but here are a couple of 999 Playa del Norte:

https://i.imgur.com/wT5jpUHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3HKh1yrh.jpg

[vintur]

Couple of renderings of Blue at Eastline, across Apache from Culdesac. This looks a lot more like the original plans for the Culdesac site (Eastline Village).


https://i.imgur.com/6bMd0rK.png

https://i.imgur.com/oukkmKf.png

[combusean]

Is that thing surface parked? That's quite the frontage on Apache. I think I see a bit of retail on that corner adjacent to the light rail station, so that's nice.

[vintur]

Is that thing surface parked? That's quite the frontage on Apache. I think I see a bit of retail on that corner adjacent to the light rail station, so that's nice.

Yeah I believe all parking is surface, between the buildings on apache and the single family homes on lemon which I also think is the same development group.

I thought it was pretty interesting at the massive infill about to happen on that rather ghastly section of Apache between Smith Station and River Drive. Wouldn't be surprised to see much of Apache frontage developed between Mclintock and 101 in the next 5-10 years!

https://i.imgur.com/Hf5PuYT.jpg

[CB1]

Lots on 8th

https://loftson8th.com/

[CB1]

Looks like The Level now has a building permit

https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=69813

[CB1]

Day Break Apartments also have a building permit.

https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=74617

[CB1]

1436 s Terrace - quite a few developments have gotten a building permit. This looks like a nice development but it will be in the middle of an old neighborhood. Strange location for this type of building.

https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=73995

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/LYJDGoE.jpg

This picture is from the Novus Facebook page.

[skiesthelimit]

Does anyone know what the crane is for that's towards Terrace and Lemon? It appeared over the weekend and I'm not sure what project it's for.

[CB1]

Does anyone know what the crane is for that's towards Terrace and Lemon? It appeared over the weekend and I'm not sure what project it's for.

Tempe Crossroads maybe?

[plinko]

The changes in Tempe since I left in 2002 are absolutely staggering. I have trouble figuring out which project is which. Seemingly a wholesale change in the way it feels down there.

[muertecaza]

A few pictures from the past week or so.

5/26
Westin

https://i.imgur.com/QG71GH0h.jpg

A+mosphere (7th/Forest)

https://i.imgur.com/7VukGhFh.jpg

5/28
First+Farmer

https://i.imgur.com/MPOjNfXh.jpg

6/1
Mirabella (with Westin in the background)

https://i.imgur.com/XA0bAOJh.jpg

[CrestedSaguaro]

Thanks for posting the pics! I got to admit, I was kind of lost on what a couple of the developments/cranes were for. Now I know (Westin and Forest).

:tup:

[BA744PHX]

Great Photos muertecaza!!!!

I have created a list of Tempe high rises, planned/under construction. Similar to the Phoenix list, however I don't have much information on any Tempe projects. Let me know your thoughts and if anything should be added

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TLwHMGw9-JG_D4KYdixKRMxL0Zpiht9hz3ANYRD5nMY/edit?usp=sharing

[RichTempe]

Great Photos muertecaza!!!!

I have created a list of Tempe high rises, planned/under construction. Similar to the Phoenix list, however I don't have much information on any Tempe projects. Let me know your thoughts and if anything should be added

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TLwHMGw9-JG_D4KYdixKRMxL0Zpiht9hz3ANYRD5nMY/edit?usp=sharing

The Pier is technically under construction, albeit very, very slowly. The west tower (I believe) is finally above ground and has had a tower crane in place for quite a while.

[BA744PHX]

The Pier is technically under construction, albeit very, very slowly. The west tower (I believe) is finally above ground and has had a tower crane in place for quite a while.

Thanks, I will update my sheet. I dont know much information about this project.

[Mr.RE]

Blue at eastline village was recommended for approval to the city council by the Development Review Commission.

[muertecaza]

I'm loving the Hayden House remodel, I think they've done a fantastic job.

https://i.imgur.com/ndXEZETh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ry0PHtqh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/egcWRpKh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XluLTjjh.jpg

Bonus shot of the 100 Mill pit:

https://i.imgur.com/bH5pjUIh.jpg

[BA744PHX]

I'm loving the Hayden House remodel, I think they've done a fantastic job.


Great pics!

[JMCplanner]

Hey, I'm new here. Cool forum! I have a few questions, maybe someone can help. Anybody know the name of the architects working on Core Spaces' Hilo Apts project?
Also, does anybody understand how to access development documents and other records (site plan reviews, development plan reviews, etc.) off of Tempe's Citizen Access Portal?

[azsunsurfer]

Great News! From our friends at the BizJournal #AF

Two Fortune 100 companies signed leases — including the biggest Class A office lease since the Covid-19 pandemic — at Rio 2100, a 60-acre mixed-use development in Tempe.

While CBRE and the Boyer Co., the developer of the project, did not disclose the name of one of the companies, a source familiar with the deal confirmed that Morgan Stanley signed a 43,975-square-foot lease, taking the full fourth floor at Phase V of the project.

The other new tenant, Siemens, a global automation technology company, signed a 7,823-square-foot lease on the first floor of the building and will occupy the space by the end of the year.

CBRE’s Bryan Taute and Charlie von Arentschildt, the exclusive leasing agents for the project, arranged the leases on behalf of The Boyer Co.

“The Boyer Co. is thrilled to welcome two Fortune 100 companies to the Rio 2100 community,” Adrian Evarkiou, partner at The Boyer Co., said in a statement. “These leases further validate the bet Boyer made on Tempe over five years ago, and we continue to see Tempe’s success through further development at Rio 2100 and down the street at I.D.E.A.”

Phase V, the newest building to be delivered, totals 170,680 square feet and includes an outdoor amenity area. The building has 118,600 square feet remaining for lease.

“Rio 2100 continues to be a top tier destination for tenants looking to capitalize on all that Tempe has to offer,” CBRE’s Taute said in a statement. “With abundant amenities adjacent to the project at Tempe Marketplace, easy access to the entire Valley at the interchange of the 101 and 202 freeways, and a convenient location within minutes of Downtown Tempe and Sky Harbor, Rio 2100 checks all the boxes. We hope to continue to attract premier tenants and up to 1,000 more employees to the project in the remaining 118,609 square feet in Phase V.”

The project’s first phase was completed in March 2017 and is fully leased to Varsity Tutors, MeltMedia, Mayo Clinic, American Vision Partners and SDC Clinical. The second and third phases were build-to-suits for Freedom Financial and the fourth phase was a build-to-suit for Benchmark Electronics’ new headquarters.

[ciweiss]

https://azbigmedia.com/lifestyle/canopy-by-hilton-will-open-this-month-in-downtown-tempe/

The Southwest’s first Canopy by Hilton will open its doors on June 16 in the heart of downtown Tempe, ushering in a contemporary, full-service hotel offering guests a local experience with a boutique feel, all within the central core of one of the most vibrant, dynamic and growing cities in Arizona.

Owned and developed by Driftwood Capital, Canopy by Hilton Tempe Downtown, the new 198-room hotel at the corner of University Drive and Myrtle Avenue, boasts spacious guest rooms and suites, along with approximately 5,000 square feet of flexible meeting and event space. Bookings for overnight stays after June 16 are now open, plus a special Positively Local Package, just in time for summer staycations.

“Bringing our vision to life has been a collaborative effort between our local design firm, local featured artists and team of longtime hospitality professionals who have created a destination that truly embraces the fabric of the neighborhood,” said Alan Klein, Chief Enthusiast and General Manager at Canopy by Hilton Tempe Downtown. “We hope to become a vibrant gathering space that embodies the innovation present in the exciting evolution of downtown Tempe. As part of the Hilton brand portfolio, we’ll be implementing Hilton CleanStay procedures, a new industry-defining standard of cleanliness and disinfection, created in partnership with Lysol, so our guests can feel reassured that an even cleaner and safer stay is waiting for them when we open our doors.”

With the hotel’s debut comes two distinct dining venues helmed by seasoned Valley Chef Ken Arneson. Alter Ego, the hotel’s signature restaurant located on the ground floor, will serve up elevated fusion cuisine made with fresh locally and regionally sourced ingredients and an inventive craft cocktail program that aims to set the bar for elevated cocktail culture within vibrant downtown Tempe. Alter Ego’s modern interiors will perfectly complement the rich history and heritage of Tempe, with floor-to-ceiling glass windows, lush greenery, custom wooden shelving, sleek marble countertops and exclusive, curated pieces from local artists.

Open for breakfast, lunch and dinner daily, a few dishes on Alter Ego’s dinner menu include Long Bone Short Rib ($26) topped with a shitake Thai mushroom sauce, grilled green onion and shishito peppers; Char Sui Pork Tacos ($13) garnished with radish, bok choy slaw, cilantro and salsa verde; and Roasted Calabrian Shrimp ($25) smothered in ajo butter and grilled lemon, served with grilled Noble Bread. The menu will also include robust shared plates, salads, side dishes and desserts like Chocolate Tres Leches Cake ($9) with house-made ancho chocolate and cajeta gelato.



Alibi, the East Valley’s only full-service rooftop pool and bar set atop the hotel’s 14th floor, is a scenic retreat for weekenders and locals alike looking to relax, cut loose and cool down while lounging by the pool with music in ear and a cocktail in hand. With tapas-style light bites and a curated local craft-cocktail menu, Alibi guests will enjoy lounge seating, chic cabanas, a roaring fire pit and a seat at the custom wrap-around bar that features retractable climate-controlled glass walls for comfortable year-round entertaining. The terrace bar will also feature an ongoing lineup of weekly programming, events and live music.

During the hotel’s initial opening phase, Alter Ego will have a limited, scaled-back menu for all meal periods and will implement distanced seating and Hilton’s CleanStay procedures. Likewise, Alibi will refrain from programming, service and activities until later this summer, however the pool and cabanas will be open for hotel guests with limited food and beverage service from Alter Ego. Expanded hours and offerings for both venues will be announced in the coming weeks.

Canopy by Hilton Tempe Downtown features a modern aesthetic inspired by the spirit of the Southwest, highlighting the neighborhood’s cultural roots mixed with the emerging city scene. Designed by Scottsdale-based Allen + Philp, furnishings throughout the hotel mimic an urban culture, giving a nod to Arizona’s history in Mid-Century forms while connecting to the local environment through desert-inspired pops of color and texture in the fabrics and materials used. A variety of wood and metal tones are incorporated throughout the space to stay true to the nature of the Canopy brand.

The hotel’s guest rooms embrace an eclectic, Mid-Century modern style with a tribal-inspired flair. The design team collaborated with local artist Emily Brakefield to combine natural materials with an integrated art piece depicting native flora and iconic regional landscape details on the headboards to create a statement piece that anchors the room.

“We are thrilled to partner with Hilton on the launch of one of Driftwood’s first lifestyle hotels,” said Carlos Rodriguez, Jr., President and COO of Driftwood Capital. “The Tempe market has been on our radar for some time and we are proud to fill an underserved hospitality and restaurant niche in such a booming, progressive city.”

A curated collection of art crafted by local Arizona artists can be found throughout the hotel. Cairn rock formations, designed by artist John Randall Nelson, symbolize a sense of place and the start of a guest’s journey through the hotel, inspired by the trail markings of the area’s ancient Indigenous people. Artists Keanen Kasten and Issac Caruso were also commissioned to create custom murals.

Situated within a commuter-friendly urban corridor, the hotel is centrally located at 108 E. University Drive, just five miles from the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport and just steps away from some of the area’s finest shopping centers, culinary offerings, entertainment destinations such as Desert Financial Arena and local landmarks including Tempe Town Lake, Mill Avenue District and Tempe Beach Park.

For more information about Canopy by Hilton Tempe Downtown, visit TempeDowntown.CanopybyHilton.com. To book a reservation at Alter Ego, visit AlterEgoTempe.com and learn more about Alibi at AlibiTempe.com.

[Mr.RE]

Did anyone else's mouth water reading the above description of those two restaurants?:dancinghotdog: I wonder if they will offer non-guests to eat on the rooftop pool or get a day pass? I would definitely stay a night to get the experience.

[combusean]

Agreed. I wonder if the pool is heated--I might just have a night there next time I visit. The design sounds timeless and will never need a remodel.

Those prices for the food sound steep.

[cygnusloop99]

Hey, I'm new here. Cool forum! I have a few questions, maybe someone can help. Anybody know the name of the architects working on Core Spaces' Hilo Apts project?
Also, does anybody understand how to access development documents and other records (site plan reviews, development plan reviews, etc.) off of Tempe's Citizen Access Portal?

Welcome JMC! :cheers:
The best place to look for info on project IMO is on the Development Review Commission page (https://www.tempe.gov/government/city-clerk-s-office/boards-and-commissions/active-boards-commissions-committees-and-other-public-bodies/development-review-commission). This will have the full design review package if you know what you are looking for. There isn't a search tool for a specific project but it has all of the latest developments.

Another handy option is this map from the citys website (https://tempegov.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Shortlist/index.html?appid=e2b8a9338e3948c0ab6abf93b858f508). I only know about it because of this forum, not sure how to get to it from the main page.

[fawd]

Hayden is looking fantastic!!!

[Mr.RE]

Anyone been around Tempe lately? Saw on a cam that the Oliv Tempe garage paneling is almost complete, would love to see a pic of the completed red exterior. Also I noticed Hilo and Omni are in review for building permit.. this means we probably will see dirt moving here in the next 30-60 days I imagine!:cheers:

[muertecaza]

Anyone been around Tempe lately? Saw on a cam that the Oliv Tempe garage paneling is almost complete, would love to see a pic of the completed red exterior. Also I noticed Hilo and Omni are in review for building permit.. this means we probably will see dirt moving here in the next 30-60 days I imagine!:cheers:

Not complete yet, but pretty far along. From today:

https://i.imgur.com/QH2v9rEh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ar2rKyJh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KyfZyxDh.jpg

Cladding is also starting to go up on the Westin:

https://i.imgur.com/KohjzSbh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aGGjmXHh.jpg

[Socalzonie]

Drove by the Pier today. Small progress, but there was a fairly large crew today. Wonder if the pace will pick up as the building moves above ground.

[phoenixwillrise]

Drove by the Pier today. Small progress, but there was a fairly large crew today. Wonder if the pace will pick up as the building moves above ground.
Depends on how fast the family building it can work.

[Mr.RE]

Novus Apartments
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010080161_b36edd7c21_c.jpg

777 Novus - Hardscape and landscaping going in.. looks awesome.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010080101_86417b8e47_c.jpg

ITSB-7
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50009548888_85a49935ec_c.jpg

Novus Garage - one floor to go
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50009548848_5407168071_c.jpg


Hyatt House - love the blue panels, looks so sharp!
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340562_4370549247_c.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50009548768_793bc8a325_c.jpg

Atmosphere apartments - Canyon forming :cheers:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010079911_f33a953b38_z.jpg

Oliv - the exterior red in the renderings looked more pronounced, this is more of a terracotta color.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340452_c3248e3bb7_z.jpg

Westin
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50009548668_d4da93262b_z.jpg

Hilo - just a storage yard for westin now but this thing will be tight up against westin when it gets going.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50009548648_23293353ae_z.jpg

All downtown projects :tup:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340382_851ff02257_z.jpg

Mirabella - looking sharp and exterior so close to wrapping up.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340362_8b6f7f6c2c_z.jpg

Apollo
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340342_45152895bd_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50009548568_54ff53b2ae_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340282_254f904312_z.jpg

Park Place
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340322_36f53a018c_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50010340302_a28c36ea06_z.jpg

The Pier - no photo update but their cousins are out there with a concrete truck-crane going ham on those columns!!

[CrestedSaguaro]

The Pier - no photo update but their cousins are out there with a concrete truck-crane going ham on those columns!!

When I drove by on the 202 yesterday, the columns for Pier were sticking above ground by a couple of floors. They must have their 2nd cousins working too! :haha:

[muertecaza]

Unsurprisingly, the US Supreme Court denied review on the Sussex/Squatter case.

https://arizonaslaw.blogspot.com/2020/06/breaking-us-supreme-court-shuts-door-on.html

[CB1]

Thanks for the pics. What a difference a month makes. Everything is getting built so fast.

[Mr.RE]

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2020/06/22/south-tempe-town-lake-developments-pick-up-steam.html?iana=hpmvp_phx_news_headline?ana=e_phx_bn_exclusive_exclusive&j=90515575&t=Breaking%20News&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTW1Ga01tUmtOVEU1TVRFNCIsInQiOiJkTSthTkszVVZTNyt1TVFjNHFVN2lFR1BcL3BuTEdTckQ0dm04OXZ5XC9vOVAydlNrYWRyMHpzaGJ2Rlhpek0rMjdycGhJYUVlRXZzUWNrVlY1M2cxdk1CUmpLV296cjREN1wvXC9OT2ZUMDR5OXJnYUtsMW5WdXc0bVkyZ290SEIzUGszTEdjRVdhNGd0WVpKRDV4a0Y4bXBRPT0ifQ%3D%3D

Development is ramping up on the south bank of Tempe Town Lake east of Arizona State University, as a mixed-use project called Pier 202 begins early construction work and a nearby build-to-suit office development is marketed to potential office users.

The Pier 202 development includes 587 apartment units, 22 retail suites and a restaurant on the first floor. Developer Rob Fransway of Springbrook SGC chose City Electric Supply Chandler to supply electric parts for the development, which will include two towers connected by a sky bridge.

“Beneath the apartments will be several shops and a restaurant accessible on the ground level. It will also add more luxury living spaces for a growing city,” said Scotty Evans, outside sales rep for City Electric Supply, in a statement. “This will just bring even more people to the area. In a couple years, when Pier 202 is finally wrapped up, it’s going to be a really great development for Tempe.”

City Electric Supply has begun sourcing electrical parts for the development and will continue working on the project for the next two years, a company representative said.

“Right now, we’re still putting together a lot of the quotes and proposals,” Evans said in a statement. “But we’re making some headway.”

Nearby the master planned development, to the west of the Pier 202 development, KDC and the Weitz Co. plan to construct a 400,000-square-foot build-to-suit office project.

Peter Yates, vice president of development for KDC, told the Business Journal that brokers from Cushman & Wakefield are marketing the site for a Class A build-to-suit office, ideally for one large tenant.

“We are really excited about the site,” Yates said. “We expect corporate activity to pick up when we unpause from Covid. We expect user activity to remain strong.”

Yates said the property owner is still deciding the best use for the land but actively marketing for office.

“We’ve had strong activity from several large users in the marketplace,” Yates said. “We are very bullish on the site, it has great access and traffic patterns being on the east side of Rural Road and the visibility on the water is incredible.”




So it looks like the Pier is moving full steam ahead and the KDC office wont begin until they sign up a large single tenant so probably wont see this one move for a couple years.. fingers crossed still.

[PHXFlyer11]

So it looks like the Pier is moving full steam ahead and the KDC office wont begin until they sign up a large single tenant so probably wont see this one move for a couple years.. fingers crossed still.

Sounds like a total fluff piece to me. Hilarious that they are saying construction is underway. It's been "underway" for over 2 years. And now it sounds like they're saying at least two more years to finish. Unbelievable. Not sure how they can survive at that pace. Have to be hemorrhaging money.

The electrical supply company is "responding to some quotes." LOL Makes it seem even more pathetic!

And the part about the other commercial tower is exciting, but highly unlikely in this environment. I would love to be proven wrong though.

[xymox]

Sounds like a total fluff piece to me. Hilarious that they are saying construction is underway. It's been "underway" for over 2 years. And now it sounds like they're saying at least two more years to finish. Unbelievable. Not sure how they can survive at that pace. Have to be hemorrhaging money.

The electrical supply company is "responding to some quotes." LOL Makes it seem even more pathetic!

And the part about the other commercial tower is exciting, but highly unlikely in this environment. I would love to be proven wrong though.

I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised - a lot of organizations in Tempe are needing MORE space due to COVID. Office space taken up by one such org that is spread out amongst 5 different buildings in Tempe/Scottsdale, no longer has enough given the new spacing requirements. 3ft wide desks need to be 6ft or larger - nearly doubling the necessary space. Open floorspace layouts are being heavily reconsidered. (Welcome back cubes) If anything I would think this pushes demand up as organizations will eventually call everyone ‘home’ once its safe to do so. There are too many in upper mgmt that still believe that office workers (IT included...) are only effective when they are all working in the same physical space.

[Obadno]

I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised - a lot of organizations in Tempe are needing MORE space due to COVID. Office space taken up by one such org that is spread out amongst 5 different buildings in Tempe/Scottsdale, no longer has enough given the new spacing requirements. 3ft wide desks need to be 6ft or larger - nearly doubling the necessary space. Open floorspace layouts are being heavily reconsidered. (Welcome back cubes) If anything I would think this pushes demand up as organizations will eventually call everyone ‘home’ once its safe to do so. There are too many in upper mgmt that still believe that office workers (IT included...) are only effective when they are all working in the same physical space.


The “space requirements” is going to be short lived. Even if we “social distance” for two years that’s a flash in the pan and I doubt it will last much beyond the fall.

The larger trend will be work from home which will reduce office needs by 1/3 overall and for some industries by a massive amount.

Long term I think you’ll see less office space needed for companies as they allow
More remote work. This is something that I think would have happened anyway over the next couple decades but Covid expedited the process

[Spitfiredude]

^ Agreed. The demand for office space will diminish. It's going to effect a lot of downtowns & urban centers in the long term. Employers now realize why pay for rent, electricity, etc, when the workers can just do their work from home.

[combusean]

The only thing it proves is that we can work from home but that doesn’t necessarily mean we will. I do hope the open office trend is finally killed off however. So tired of sick buildings.

[Phxguy]

I wonder if more mixed-used towers will become the norm in the future if office space is anticipated to downsize. Maybe a few floors can be converted to residential units and towers can operate with separate elevators/lobbies for offices/residents.

[CrestedSaguaro]

^ Agreed. The demand for office space will diminish. It's going to effect a lot of downtowns & urban centers in the long term. Employers now realize why pay for rent, electricity, etc, when the workers can just do their work from home.

^^^This.

I can already confirm that many (and I do mean MANY) DES positions have already been converted to permanent teleworker status since the state has finally realized they can save money by not leasing space (why have office workers when they just sit in front of a computer all day answering phones)?

Expect many DES office locations to close and consolidate. I expect many private businesses to do the same. I myself have been telecommuting every 3rd week on a rotating schedule. This is a permanent change for us.

[combusean]

^^^This.

I can already confirm that many (and I do mean MANY) DES positions have already been converted to permanent teleworker status since the state has finally realized they can save money by not leasing space (why have office workers when they just sit in front of a computer all day answering phones)?

Expect many DES office locations to close and consolidate. I expect many private businesses to do the same. I myself have been telecommuting every 3rd week on a rotating schedule. This is a permanent change for us.

I would expect low-end call center workers to convert to teleworking--that was the trend before. Creative and professional types are still going to have to come back in.

Now that you mention this, the low-end class B office space and backoffice crap that Phoenix is traditionally famous for is going to take a big hit.

[xymox]

^^^This.

I can already confirm that many (and I do mean MANY) DES positions have already been converted to permanent teleworker status since the state has finally realized they can save money by not leasing space (why have office workers when they just sit in front of a computer all day answering phones)?

Expect many DES office locations to close and consolidate. I expect many private businesses to do the same. I myself have been telecommuting every 3rd week on a rotating schedule. This is a permanent change for us.

And this will all change back to being in office 100% once the vaccine is out (if ever) and people start making claims for injuries due to not having adequate office equipment (chairs/desks, etc) at home. People can only cram up on their couch or kitchen table so long before the lack of ergonomics of the situation starts impacting their health. Not many people invest in the proper home office equipment to work at home and be healthy. It’s expensive ($800 or more for a decent chair). Plus IT now has to worry about your home network being a vector for malware/viruses, etc.

They say ‘permanent’ now because they don’t know how long it will be temporary and don’t want to have to re-message every 2 weeks that its been extended another two weeks. Trust me - a LOT of people will be coming back ‘home’ to the office when its ‘safe’.

[combusean]

And this will all change back to being in office 100% once the vaccine is out (if ever) and people start making claims for injuries due to not having adequate office equipment (chairs/desks, etc) at home. People can only cram up on their couch or kitchen table so long before the lack of ergonomics of the situation starts impacting their health. Not many people invest in the proper home office equipment to work at home and be healthy. It’s expensive ($800 or more for a decent chair). Plus IT now has to worry about your home network being a vector for malware/viruses, etc.

They say ‘permanent’ now because they don’t know how long it will be temporary and don’t want to have to re-message every 2 weeks that its been extended another two weeks. Trust me - a LOT of people will be coming back ‘home’ to the office when its ‘safe’.

My "seat" includes the kit and caboodle of two monitors, a keyboard, laptop, docking station all in one, some of which they shipped to my house and I'll be responsible for bringing it all back in. I sold my desk when I moved and I don't have a big enough one and don't intend on buying one. So the monitors are in boxes and I'm trapped on a tiny ass screen.

And literally nobody is 100% productive with all the distractions like pets, kids, coworkers being non-responsive on IM, that sort of thing.

[ASU Diablo]

My two cents on this as I have been working from home for over 3 years now. I love it and can't see myself coming into the office on a permanent basis. For deep-dive and working sessions, yes in-person meetings work best and love the flexibility of just having to come into those face-to-face meetings on an ad-hoc basis. Perhaps the telecommute model is something new that's trickling down to industries that are not Technology/FI (my expertise), but this has been going on for years at companies like AMEX, Wells Fargo, PayPal, Schwab, and USAA. And no these are not your "back office jobs". These are professional roles in Technology, Audit, Risk and Compliance, Cyber and DevOps/Engineering where more and more jobs are becoming virtual. One thing I have noticed (anecdotal observation of course) is that it's usually the older crowd that dislikes working from home. As the technical and engineering workforce gets younger and younger and in order to attract this top talent, our company has had to offer telecommuting jobs (even if they were local). Sorry old-timers, this is not a blip and more companies will move to telecommuting :haha:

[CrestedSaguaro]

And literally nobody is 100% productive with all the distractions like pets, kids, coworkers being non-responsive on IM, that sort of thing.

Nobody is 100% productive in an office either. :D

[xymox]

My two cents on this as I have been working from home for over 3 years now. I love it and can't see myself coming into the office on a permanent basis. For deep-dive and working sessions, yes in-person meetings work best and love the flexibility of just having to come into those face-to-face meetings on an ad-hoc basis. Perhaps the telecommute model is something new that's trickling down to industries that are not Technology/FI (my expertise), but this has been going on for years at companies like AMEX, Wells Fargo, PayPal, Schwab, and USAA. And no these are not your "back office jobs". These are professional roles in Technology, Audit, Risk and Compliance, Cyber and DevOps/Engineering where more and more jobs are becoming virtual. One thing I have noticed (anecdotal observation of course) is that it's usually the older crowd that dislikes working from home. As the technical and engineering workforce gets younger and younger and in order to attract this top talent, our company has had to offer telecommuting jobs (even if they were local). Sorry old-timers, this is not a blip and more companies will move to telecommuting :haha:

I’ve been a remote worker for 7 years now - even though I work for a company based in Tempe. I’ve lead remote Tech teams - people scattered across all time zones in the US and across the globe. It takes a while to adjust - and its an investment in the right gear to get everything right. You need to learn new skills such as how to properly get other people’s attention when you can’t otherwise go hover in their cube/desk. I personally have no issue with it - and certainly a lot of people are skilled enough to do this. However my experience with it and managing remotes teams like this is that the YOUNGER kids coming in fresh from school need an office on site experience to bootstrap them. Otherwise, they just stop working when they get stuck and don’t know how to advocate for themselves or how to reach out to a leader to help them get unstuck. And distractions are a strong force here too - if you can’t learn to shut them out, then you’re coasting along until someone realizes nothing is happening. I’ve watched a LOT of people all ages take advantage of this.

Working remote is NOT for everyone. Age has little to do with it. It’s about personal work ethic mostly - which is sorely lacking in a lot of spots. And quite frankly - the people who are wanting most to get back to the office are my younger co-workers in Berkeley. Some people just enjoy the socialization aspect (or want out of their tiny apartment in Oakland).

[combusean]

This is me in San Jose. I hate my apartment and am usually in the lounge if I'm WFH where I used to have a routine like going downstairs to get coffee, getting dressed, getting stuff done in the lounge, getting lunch, getting outside, etc. The pandemic has shut most of this down and sometimes I'm waking up at one of the early calls that I have to sit in on for some reason because my sleep has turned to shit. I am wanting to get back to the office even though I saving massive amounts of money otherwise.

[fawd]

Creative and professional types are still going to have to come back in.

You sure about that?



I own a creative agency that specializes in REALLY, REALLY high-end production - we exclusively employ the 'creative and professional' types you're referring to.

Our agency went 100% remote years ago. And once we really figured out the back-end workflow and file management processes (which was complicated at first, project files are often multiple terebytes) - it was the best decision we have ever made. Our team is pushing out the best content we've ever created, and we're no longer limited to hiring 'locally'. We're able to employ the best talent anywhere in the country.


Believe it or not, the WFH arrangement was actually one of our unique selling points when attracting talent. But probably isn't anymore :( :(

[combusean]

^ Yours is the exception. Offices by in large part were not prepared for a sudden shutdown. And people just often don't respond enough on IM even during this or before for it for me to particularly enjoy having to be dependent on others. That culture is rare in my field because people are too busy and can't even be bothered to say "gimme 5 min." You have to develop a positive online working environment and be committed to it, and what I'm going through is a winging it and our office has full intention on reopening.

[combusean]

BTW, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but feels like new projects for Tempe have significantly slowed so it's not like there's even much news to discuss.

We had a fluff piece about Pier and a "we have the land and maybe it'll be office" article and this whole WFH thing stems from whether Class A will need that square footage.

I follow Phoenix more but I feel it's been a while since somebody was advancing on a major project in Tempe.

[ASUSunDevil]

I follow Phoenix more but I feel it's been a while since somebody was advancing on a major project in Tempe.

Did you miss Mr. RE's post on the previous page? There's tons of action in Tempe right now, and even more starting soon.

Mill + Rio, The Pier, Mirabella, Novus, Forest Apartments, Grand at Papago, I.D.E.A., ISTB-7, Westin, Oliv, Omni, 6th & College Hotel, Hilo etc. are pretty major... :shrug:

[combusean]

I was talking about stuff that's not under construction but announced or proposed.

Astra, X Basecamp, Garfield House are three towers I can think of in Phoenix actively moving through the planning process, and there's a few smaller projects announced as well.

[fawd]

Offices by in large part were not prepared for a sudden shutdown. And people just often don't respond enough on IM even during this or before for it for me to particularly enjoy having to be dependent on others. That culture is rare in my field because people are too busy and can't even be bothered to say "gimme 5 min." You have to develop a positive online working environment and be committed to it, and what I'm going through is a winging it and our office has full intention on reopening.



There likely wasn't a single company that was prepared for a pandemic in general. :shrug:

I don't have a single client that isn't in the process of re-thinking their office/work structure post-pandemic. Every one, and I mean every one, is developing strategies and processes to increase the ratio of WFH employees when things return back to 'normal'.

[SunDevil]

There likely wasn't a single company that was prepared for a pandemic in general. :shrug:

I don't have a single client that isn't in the process of re-thinking their office/work structure post-pandemic. Every one, and I mean every one, is developing strategies and processes to increase the ratio of WFH employees when things return back to 'normal'.

Funny enough, my job in the federal government was already doing work from home from 3 to 4 days a week for the last several years, so it was a pretty seamless transition to full time. No lost hours, no interruption of service.

I think this is one time the federal government being behind the trend of bringing people back into the office accidentally was a benefit.

[CB1]

I never thought I would be working from home before the pandemic. I thought the production would slow once the thousand employees would start working from home. But the CEO of the company has been saying that production has stayed the same. As long as production reports are being sent most people won’t want to be at the bottom. Seems like not all but many companies are realizing they can have employees work remotely. Everyone has their own experiences but mine is that working from home will probably more than double once the pandemic is over. But it makes me sad that we might not have as much office developments in the future. Thank goodness one hundred mill broke ground right before the pandemic.

[combusean]

Funny enough, my job in the federal government was already doing work from home from 3 to 4 days a week for the last several years, so it was a pretty seamless transition to full time. No lost hours, no interruption of service.

I think this is one time the federal government being behind the trend of bringing people back into the office accidentally was a benefit.

I have been through this same process and I think jobs that are highly regulated (let's just say I did more than the E-QIP which is nosy already) or in other highly regulated industries are going to lean towards WFOffice.

What I'm really hoping for from a real-estate and personal perspective is that employers ditch the open office and practice social distancing permanently which should massively increase office space demands, especially on Class B space that don't create sick buildings when they jammed people like myself into. I fundamentally despise open offices and dislike telecommuting. I never had the chance to get lunch with coworkers in my new job but that's Federal campus food too...

Just give me my quiet cube already with some neighborhood food and drink options nearby with coworkers when I want to get lunch or happy hour with them dammit. It's been like 4 years for me since that here and I was almost on top of it before this shit hit. That was the normal course of work up until the 1990s pretty much everywhere before this sprawl campus office culture hit us all and I bet it was better back then.

[fawd]

That's really not going to happen. Companies are realizing the cost saving & efficiency potential of WFH - not the other way around.

[combusean]

^ Time will tell. I appreciate the counter-argument, tho I'd probably take WFH over open offices. Kitties are better than lip smackers and mechanical keyboards.

[Obadno]

That's really not going to happen. Companies are realizing the cost saving & efficiency potential of WFH - not the other way around.

Yeah im thinking going forward companies will be doing much more work from home than they did before. That will translate to less demand for office space overall.

[cgl77]

The additional element in all this is how much control bosses are willing to give up. Twenty years ago I was working from home 3 days a week, 120 miles from the office, and the boss having control issues never got comfortable with not being able to see every employee every day. This was well before Skype.

[muertecaza]

BTW, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but feels like new projects for Tempe have significantly slowed so it's not like there's even much news to discuss.

We had a fluff piece about Pier and a "we have the land and maybe it'll be office" article and this whole WFH thing stems from whether Class A will need that square footage.

I follow Phoenix more but I feel it's been a while since somebody was advancing on a major project in Tempe.

My sense is definitely the same, that the pipeline of new under-development projects in Tempe has significantly slowed. If you look at the Tempe development map, there is only really one major project listed as going through entitlements and it's the extremely pie-in-the-sky Tempe Depot project for which we've only seen the one rendering, no details.

https://tempegov.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Shortlist/index.html?appid=e2b8a9338e3948c0ab6abf93b858f508

[Mr.RE]

I drove by the 777 tower last night and it looks like the top 3 floors are already occupied? Filled with desks and chairs. Also their landscape lighting looks so good at night, they did a really good job with their street frontage hardscape/landscape plan. Just need the next office project to the south to get moving to fill the void :cheers:

[azsunsurfer]

I drove by the 777 tower last night and it looks like the top 3 floors are already occupied? Filled with desks and chairs. Also their landscape lighting looks so good at night, they did a really good job with their street frontage hardscape/landscape plan. Just need the next office project to the south to get moving to fill the void :cheers:

Yes most of the building is leased except for the retail on the ground floor. I believe the next building they will start is the one right in front of the garage (i think they already have a tenant lined up who has a small office at Sky Song but is going to expand). The last building for that cluster will be on the hard corner with Rural.

Speaking about the slow down of projects...I agree...not sure if we are in a lul from Covid or the related ressession. If you noticed most of the small infill townhouse developments are starting to slow down though there are still some going thru entitlements.

FYI- the Micro Estate project...is ridculous. 200K for 600 sqft. next to the train tracks in Tempe??? F that....

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1475-S-Rita-Ln_Tempe_AZ_85281_M98177-98056?view=qv

[skiesthelimit]

Some Novus Innovation District updates:

ISTB7... I think there's one more floor left?
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062218578_fc3da40884_b.jpg

Novus 777
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062775976_6f31af846a_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062776046_4d9d59706f_b.jpg

New Street
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062776096_36860dc91b_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50063032342_0020036d18_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062776256_6a4234c1b3_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50063032502_1c0786f449_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062219343_d0b54ee8e7_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062775646_664e3a40b0_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062219423_7343c93972_b.jpg

New Crane
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062219548_6df2cf8257_b.jpg

Back of Hyatt House

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50063032847_f665c1febd_b.jpg

Tempe Crossroads peaking from University Dr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50063031852_bc2ea3f0a4_b.jpg

Trader Joes coming along, sign has been up about 2 weeks now
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062218493_5a212284b7_b.jpg

[CrestedSaguaro]

^^^
how do you add the show button??

[ASU Diablo]

^^^
how do you add the show button??

Spoiler / Hidden Content
Use this to create hidden content which can only be seen when the user clicks the button.

Similar to [QUOTE] function, just replace with "spoiler"

:cheers:

[muertecaza]

Some Novus Innovation District updates:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50062776046_4d9d59706f_b.jpg



Thanks so much for the pictures.

Does anyone know if it's a building code requirement or something to have the electrical boxes out at the street? They did the same thing with Hayden Ferry and the AC Hotel and I dislike the way it looks. Relatively minor, 777 Tower looks great, but just curious.

[Mr.RE]

I saw heavy equipment grading dirt on the office site next to 777 novus. Not sure if they are preparing for the next building or just cleaning up the dirt to fence off to look good? I assume its the latter.

On another note, the Pier (everyone's favorite project lol) had a swarm of activity today.. definitely encouraging to see but I remain skeptical until I see multiple levels rise above grade!

I also say a "Call for offers" pop up in my inbox for a 2.5 acre site adjacent to the pier for sale. Date is set for July 15th so may see something happen there in the next 6-12 months.

[YourBuddy]

I saw heavy equipment grading dirt on the office site next to 777 novus. Not sure if they are preparing for the next building or just cleaning up the dirt to fence off to look good? I assume its the latter.

On another note, the Pier (everyone's favorite project lol) had a swarm of activity today.. definitely encouraging to see but I remain skeptical until I see multiple levels rise above grade!

I also say a "Call for offers" pop up in my inbox for a 2.5 acre site adjacent to the pier for sale. Date is set for July 15th so may see something happen there in the next 6-12 months.

Are there any plans available to see for this project, I’m having problems finding anything about it.

[vintur]

Thanks so much for the pictures.

Does anyone know if it's a building code requirement or something to have the electrical boxes out at the street? They did the same thing with Hayden Ferry and the AC Hotel and I dislike the way it looks. Relatively minor, 777 Tower looks great, but just curious.

I agree, its a super odd looking thing but a lot of buildings do it. Kills the overall aesthetic, especially when its on the corner of an intersection. Does anyone have more info on why they need to? Wondering if it just about a government standard for access to service the internal systems, but like.. why does it need to be on the sidewalk? lol

[exit2lef]

I agree, its a super odd looking thing but a lot of buildings do it. Kills the overall aesthetic, especially when its on the corner of an intersection. Does anyone have more info on why they need to? Wondering if it just about a government standard for access to service the internal systems, but like.. why does it need to be on the sidewalk? lol

It might be linked to the decreased reliance on alleys for back-of-house-functions. In a more fine-grained traditional urban development pattern, alleys situated every half block become the venue for a lot of features that are necessary but ugly. Newer developments, particularly those built on a large scale, are less likely to have alleys, and always that already exist may be abandoned as part of the development process. Without those miniature utility corridors, the sidewalk is about the only place that boxes like these can go.

[combusean]

In SF all or almost all of these are buried, so I would wager SRP doesn't like going underground and needs truck access.

[Sunsfan87]

Extracted version of the video on their homepage (no graphics covering the video):https://www.novusasu.com/wp-content/themes/catellus-theme/assets/videos/Catellus-_-ASU-Novus-Innovation-Corridor-_30.mp4

[muertecaza]

It's a couple months old now but I found a packet presented to the Tempe Historic Preservation Commission in May about the Tempe Depot development proposed on the site of the train station/Macayo's:

https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=82341

The letter from the developer is dated December 2019, so all of this is likely at best up in the air and at worst changed completely. But as of December 2019 the bullet point details were:

the preservation and rehabilitation of the approximate 3,370 square foot train depot built in 1924 located along the Site’s western perimeter for retail / restaurant use space;
approximately 13,715 square feet of total indoor retail / restaurant use space, up to approximately 5,310 square feet of outdoor dining space, approximately 21,670 square feet of public gathering / plaza space, approximately 2,020 square feet of office lobby space, approximately 860 square feet of hotel lobby space, and six vehicle parking spaces at street-level;
six levels of above-grade structured parking providing 1,087 vehicle parking spaces, including 120 tandem spaces for hotel valet use;
approximately 2,175 square feet of hotel lobby space, approximately 6,045 square feet of indoor hotel restaurant and bar space, approximately 630 square feet of outdoor hotel restaurant and bar space, approximately 10,310 square feet of hotel meeting space, approximately 25,020 square feet of leasable office space, and a shared amenity deck with a pool and lounging areas on the 8th floor / level;
an approximate 1,080 square foot hotel fitness center on the 9th floor of the hotel tower;
up to 280 hotel guest rooms on the 9th through 18th floors of the hotel tower;
approximately 251,430 square feet of total leasable office space on the 9th through 17th floors of the office tower; and,
substantial landscape improvements

The development group looks to be RED and Smithgroup, and the hotel brand was to be a flagship Hilton Hotels and Resorts.

I still don't like the big imposing parking podium; it just seems wrong to have 1000+ parking spaces literally looming over the light rail. But at least they would be preserving the train depot, better utilizing the land, eating up more surface parking and providing an assumedly quality project. Given the information that Central Station in Phoenix had to lose its hotel component because hotels are near impossible to finance currently, I imagine this one won't happen any time soon in this iteration, but interesting to read about regardless.

[BA744PHX]

It's a couple months old now but I found a packet presented to the Tempe Historic Preservation Commission in May about the Tempe Depot development proposed on the site of the train station/Macayo's:

https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=82341

The letter from the developer is dated December 2019, so all of this is likely at best up in the air and at worst changed completely. But as of December 2019 the bullet point details were:



The development group looks to be RED and Smithgroup, and the hotel brand was to be a flagship Hilton Hotels and Resorts.

I still don't like the big imposing parking podium; it just seems wrong to have 1000+ parking spaces literally looming over the light rail. But at least they would be preserving the train depot, better utilizing the land, eating up more surface parking and providing an assumedly quality project. Given the information that Central Station in Phoenix had to lose its hotel component because hotels are near impossible to finance currently, I imagine this one won't happen any time soon in this iteration, but interesting to read about regardless.

Let's hope they move forward with the hotel portion, this product is at least 2-4 years from completion (considering the stage they are in now) so there is time for hotels to recover.

[Phxguy]

https://ktar.com/story/3374058/trader-joes-to-open-tempe-location-near-asu-campus-on-friday/?fbclid=IwAR18OXoIrkM_AFO3pnF_hmq6Y0EQy3WnZEjuZwQXnyXe5QKH4SP4cu5zG74

Unless I wasn’t paying attention, I feel this went quickly from announcement to build out. Welcome Trader Joe’s this Friday!

[Socalzonie]

100 Mill crane going up today.

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/WzbbW2T.jpg

100 Mill Crane

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/ywlmZPV.jpg

Office development by In N Out

[BA744PHX]

100 Mill Crane

Very nice! Tempe is really looking great! I wonder if they are going to shelf the hotel portion

[azsunsurfer]

They are moving fast on that Forest Ave highrise. They were working over the weekend and I believe they are on the 8th floor now.

[Mr.RE]

https://azbigmedia.com/real-estate/ryan-completes-office-building-at-asus-novus-innovation-corridor/

Great looking building and and a great starting point for well-designed , attractive buildings as novus moves north.

[Mr.RE]

New apartment project proposed at the cross streets of rio solado and smith where a retail development was proposed. Tempe development tracker shows a 5 story project, 310 units.

http://tempegov.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Shortlist/index.html?appid=e2b8a9338e3948c0ab6abf93b858f508

[soled]

New apartment project proposed at the cross streets of rio solado and smith where a retail development was proposed. Tempe development tracker shows a 5 story project, 310 units.

http://tempegov.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Shortlist/index.html?appid=e2b8a9338e3948c0ab6abf93b858f508

I'm not sure which project you're referring to?

[Mr.RE]

I'm not sure which project you're referring to?

Its under "In review for Planning entitlements. Also looks like the Uhaul next to watermark is getting a new building/makeover :tup:

[azsunsurfer]

It was called Tempe Station I think...it was a mix of retail and a hotel. They started clearing the site but it stalled. Maybe they think apartments will be more profitable?

[muertecaza]

I'll have a good view of this one going up.

https://i.imgur.com/q8liFF0h.jpg

[CB1]

Nice Muertecaza!