Tempe Development Thread

[ASU Diablo]

I was on campus this week and noticed the crane working on the mill avenue parking structure and 5 story academic building has been raised. The university seems to be moving on to the next phase of the project, starting construction on a 7 story student housing building. This expansion of the campus encompasses the entire block from Myrtle to mill and 9th to 10th street, directly south of Mirabella and Omni hotel.

I used this website to find this information. Interesting, there is a project directly to the east of Mirabella on University labeled “Mill Towers & TDUP.” There is no information on the project yet, but I am excited see what they do with the site given their other projects in the area.

https://gis.m.asu.edu/asucampus/?extent=-12463704.2004%2C3948703.4585%2C-12456356.691%2C3952907.495%2C102100&showLayers=ASUCampusParkingAreas_3950%3BConstructionFences_2102%3BConstructionFences_2102_0%3BCampusBuilding_7147_1%3BCampusBuilding_7147_2%3BCampusBuilding_7147_3%3BCampusBuilding_7147_4%3BCampusBuilding_7147_5%3BCampusBuilding_7147_6%3BCampusBuilding_7147_7%3BCampusBuilding_7147_8%3BCampusBuilding_7147_9%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_0%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_1%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_2%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_3%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_4%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_5%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_6%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_7%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_8%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_9%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_10%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_11%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_12%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_13%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_14%3BCampusServices05112023_4696_15%3BCampusPointsofPride_4284_0%3BCampusPointsofPride_4284_1%3BCampusPointsofPride_4284_2%3BCampusPointsofPride_4284_3%3BCampusPointsofPride_4284_4%3BCampusSustainability_2508_0%3BCampusSustainability_2508_1%3BCampusSustainability_2508_2%3BCampusSustainability_2508_3%3BCampusSustainability_2508_4%3BCampusParking_3127_0%3BCampusParking_3127_1%3BCampusParking_3127_2%3BCampusBike_6404_0%3BCampusBike_6404_1%3BCampusTransit_2204_6%3BCampusTransit_2204_7%3BCampusTransit_2204_8%3BCampusTransit_2204_9%3BCampusTransit_2204_10%3BCampusTransit_2204_23%3BCampusTransit_2204_24%3BCampusTransit_2204_25%3BCampusTransit_2204_26%3BCampusCart_3034_0%3BCampusCart_3034_1%3BCampusAccessibility_1217_0%3BCampusAccessibility_1217_1%3BCampusAccessibility_1217_2%3BCampusAccessibility_1217_3%3BCampusBuilding_9030%3BCampusBuilding_9030_0

Have to mention I drove by South Pier as well and was shocked to see it’s already poking above ground. This is absolutely turning into a race of South Pier vs The Pier. It took the former project years to achieve that.

Nice catch! It's the site where the recent Tower buildings were demo'ed. Would be interesting to see what they build here for the "Mill Towers" portion because looks like TDUP stands for "Tempe District Utility Plant".

[Ttown5]

Nice catch! It's the site where the recent Tower buildings were demo'ed. Would be interesting to see what they build here for the "Mill Towers" portion because looks like TDUP stands for "Tempe District Utility Plant".

Reached out to the project manager to see if there is any news on the site. Will post if I hear anything useful!

[Raymie]

I believe it is construction laydown to support the projects just down Myrtle, one of which is indeed a utility plant. Would not surprise me, though, to see a project announced for it once they don't need the land. If it were redeveloped for academic use, HIDA would be the most likely tenant given that it's the primary space user in that area of campus.

[azsunsurfer]

Do any of y'all know if ASU has an updated masterplan for any of their campuses?? Last I checked they still had the ones listed that were developed around 2010?

[combusean]

No, but ASU never sticks to any of their plans. Unless it's funded and approved it's just meaningless speculation.

[cdfif030]

Owners of Westin Tempe defaulted on loan payments and the property is to be auctioned off in April to highest bidder. Many of the new developments have been hotels. I hope this is just a one off and doesn't dissuade future developers or lendes in this sector.

https://www.connectcre.com/stories/westin-tempe-goes-to-auction/

[combusean]

I have to wonder if this hotel is performing. The rates don't "seem" high enough for a brand new building with a 4-star marquee, and the project always seemed ambitious and out of place for an area that is mostly student housing. Adding to that, the Tempe Class A vacancy rate is insane according to Colliers and that might just be the problem.

[jermykermy]

Stayed at the Westin Tempe. View looking south.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53511978485_1bb0b1858a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pwESSH)

[muertecaza]

Here is the DRC packet for this one:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=106185&t=638428249298060715

[muertecaza]

Culdesac's crack marketing team still on the case:

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[Obadno]

Culdesac's crack marketing team still on the case:

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"In the Arizona Desert" Yeah about as much as Denver is "High in the Rocky Mountains" or Portland is "deep in the back woods"

This isnt some propositional village commune out in the middle of nowhere for christ sake :haha:

Gotta hand it to them though I actually like the development it turned out nice! I nice change from either Garden style or Urban full block apartments.

[azcats]

"In the Arizona Desert" Yeah about as much as Denver is "High in the Rocky Mountains" or Portland is "deep in the back woods"

This isnt some propositional village commune out in the middle of nowhere for christ sake :haha:

Gotta hand it to them though I actually like the development it turned out nice! I nice change from either Garden style or Urban full block apartments.


I thought so, too. I watched the entire video. At first, I cringed - thinking that everyone was going to be wearing a mask. Thankfully, I was wrong. My second impression was that it reminded me of the barrio just south of downtown Tucson - adjacent to the community center. I was a lifeguard one summer at a small city of Tucson pool in that neighborhood. Just as I was thinking of that - the video shows some old barrio in the 1800s in Tucson! It might help - if they would spell Tucson correctly in this video.

[exit2lef]

I thought so, too. I watched the entire video. At first, I cringed - thinking that everyone was going to be wearing a mask. Thankfully, I was wrong. My second impression was that it reminded me of the barrio just south of downtown Tucson - adjacent to the community center. I was a lifeguard one summer at a small city of Tucson pool in that neighborhood. Just as I was thinking of that - the video shows some old barrio in the 1800s in Tucson! It might help - if they would spell Tucson correctly in this video.

Why did you expect everyone to be wearing a mask? I didn't see a single one. There have been several Culdesac videos posted on YouTube lately by people who have journeyed to Tempe just to visit. My guess is their marketing department is providing complimentary stays for urbanist influencers. What's weird is these folks planned to rent a car to visit a car-free community. The irony seems lost on them, but the rental snafu put them on light rail, which should have been their plan in the first place.

[muertecaza]

Here is the DRC packet for this one:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=106185&t=638428249298060715

Coverage of College/7th, putting it in the context of Tempe projects with minimal parking:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2024/02/21/13-story-apartment-building-planned-at-site-of-former-tempe-bookstore/72635522007/

[muertecaza]

Student housing replacing Super 8 on Apache approved:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/scottsdale/2024/02/21/tempe-oks-15-story-apartment-project-near-asu-to-replace-super-8/72675546007/

https://www.azcentral.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2024/01/22/PPHX/72318057007-screenshot-194.png?width=977&height=552&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[muertecaza]

'The Marshall,' on the south side of Apache next to Pete's at 1031 E Apache, has broken ground:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aptitude-development-breaks-ground-on-the-marshall-tempe-bringing-485-beds-to-arizona-state-university-302069521.html

https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/2345978/ASU_Rendering.jpg?w=600

[muertecaza]

DRC packet for the long-planned single-story restaurant building to fill in the final pad at Hayden Ferry and complete the development:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=106422&t=638440338780586971

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4288124,-111.9390452,157a,35y,42.72t/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

I like the colonnade, it's reminiscent of Gammage.

[combusean]

Reminds me of that crappy 1960s plaza where Dave's Dog House was. Desert brown and those dumb monotonous arches should have long dead by 1984 but here we are in 2024 doing it all over again, but it somehow looks worse this go around.

[BurjKhalifa2Builder]

DRC packet for the long-planned single-story restaurant building to fill in the final pad at Hayden Ferry and complete the development:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=106422&t=638440338780586971

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4288124,-111.9390452,157a,35y,42.72t/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

I like the colonnade, it's reminiscent of Gammage.

The renderings look great, awesome place for a new restaurant. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001906354480480428/1211146721141203014/image.png?ex=65ed2348&is=65daae48&hm=746cbb360b672811663d865d1fc555fdc92e1707536ecf22fc2531eb36f4e5cb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=965&height=676

[CBar]

From https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2024/02/21/13-story-apartment-building-planned-at-site-of-former-tempe-bookstore/72635522007/

An apartment complex planned for a half-acre lot near the Arizona State University campus could end up with the lowest parking allowance in downtown Tempe so far, if the City Council approves the project.

FH Tempe, an entity of Los Angeles-based Fields Holdings, is proposing a 208-unit apartment complex at Seventh Street and College Avenue. The site includes a vacant building that was used as a student bookstore and a Subway restaurant.

The 13-story building is planned to have one level of underground parking, totaling 38 spaces, with an additional nine on-street parking spaces.

The limited amount of parking would make it the building with the lowest parking ratio in downtown Tempe, but not the entire city.

...

High-rise planned next door
In addition to the apartment units, the proposal also includes about 8,300 square feet of restaurant space on the ground floor, with 2,200 square feet of outdoor dining and patio space.

Vaz said the developer, Eran Fields, has a goal to “make College pop” by adding restaurants that will complement the activity on the other side of the street.

The site is immediately east of a parking lot that has already been approved to allow high-rise apartments. That project, developed by Trinitas Ventures, is planned to be 28 stories with a total of 380 units.

That project is planned to have 3,000 square feet of ground floor retail and will have a parking garage. According to city documents, the Trinitas project will have about 313 parking spaces.

[phoenixwillrise]

Eliminating parking or no parking in an apartment complex is "a cute eco friendly idea" but not in a city that gets to 120% and heat reflecting off the concrete at a much higher number. Does someone really want to be hailing an Uber,(waiting for it in that heat), and then walking from the street in that temperature through a big complex hauling their groceries or whatever. Let's get real. Talk is cheap actually enduring that kind of self abuse is a whole different game.

[cdfif030]

Most of these apartment complexes, as with this one, are marketed toward college students who not only want to be close to campus, but are in the city when we experience our best weather. I went to buy a parking pass as I started a supplemental instruction position on the Tempe campus, but all the available lots for me at the time were on the far north side of campus. I would be expected to walk from a parking lot by A mountain to university drive where my school is, so I just eat the 12$ daily to park by my school in a non student lot. The majority of the new apartments being built are on the university’s front door likely encompassing a shorter commute than my affordable options would be. Living in one of these saves students a lot of time and hassle commuting to and from campus. There is clearly demand too because they keep building the complexes with more units than parking, not merely for the cute eco friendly idea.

[combusean]

Apparently, Cul-de-sac's tighter-knit warrens will minimize the direct overhead sun exposure. This is something it also apparently borrows from hot summer Mediterranean climates in places like Greece like Mykanos but I'm too far removed to defend this.

Heat reflecting off of concrete is probably better off in these circumstances than the heat island, but I dont know if CdS's materials will perform as they intend.

[exit2lef]

Eliminating parking or no parking in an apartment complex is "a cute eco friendly idea" but not in a city that gets to 120% and heat reflecting off the concrete at a much higher number. Does someone really want to be hailing an Uber,(waiting for it in that heat), and then walking from the street in that temperature through a big complex hauling their groceries or whatever. Let's get real. Talk is cheap actually enduring that kind of self abuse is a whole different game.

120% of what? I'd say this argument is 120% overused. It's not 120 degrees (I assume what you really meant) most of the year, and even when it is, it's perfectly possible to wait indoors for a ride and then receive an alert when the driver is outside. Many new buildings have dedicated rideshare pickup/dropoff areas right outside their entrances, often closer than tenant parking.

The "too hot" argument is just a sad, tired cliche whether it's used to advocate against parking reform, bike lanes, public transit, walkable streets, or anything else. Many cities around the world have extreme weather, and they adapt to it without being all about cars all the time, a maladaptive strategy that just increases heat absorption and retention. We can do the same.

[DesertRay]

Eliminating parking or no parking in an apartment complex is "a cute eco friendly idea" but not in a city that gets to 120% and heat reflecting off the concrete at a much higher number. Does someone really want to be hailing an Uber,(waiting for it in that heat), and then walking from the street in that temperature through a big complex hauling their groceries or whatever. Let's get real. Talk is cheap actually enduring that kind of self abuse is a whole different game.

That's quite the false dilemma. Walking through an ocean of heat collectors we call parking lots to get into the heat concentrator called your car is worse. Calling an Uber, and then stepping in from the shade (or from your door) into an air conditioned car is pretty ideal in comparison. The idea of cheap parking really needs to die if we are going to survive as a city. Parking will never totally go away (and Cul de Sac has over 100 spots), but we're going to have to get smarter than we currently are, which means dropping the parking subsidy, and making sure that we offer a range of options.

Also, have you never heard of grocery delivery?

[DesertRay]

Apparently, Cul-de-sac's tighter-knit warrens will minimize the direct overhead sun exposure. This is something it also apparently borrows from hot summer Mediterranean climates in places like Greece like Mykanos but I'm too far removed to defend this.

Heat reflecting off of concrete is probably better off in these circumstances than the heat island, but I dont know if CdS's materials will perform as they intend.

I also wonder if there can be a combination of carefully placed ultra-white paint (on the roof?) and/or some solar where the sun is most intense to capture some of this radiant energy and convert it to air-conditioning. Having the temps in the 90s during the day when it is that hot elsewhere would be really, really nice.

[ASU Diablo]

Also, have you never heard of grocery delivery?

This. And if your little heart desires, you can even pay extra and the delivery guys will literally come into your home and put your groceries away for you.

[MiEncanto]

People should get less exercised about parking minimums.

Want a place where everyone has 2 cars and parks them appropriately? Me too. We have places for that.

Wanna live in a dense area without a car? We can have that too. It may not be for you. But it allows for greater density in important areas, reducing living costs for everyone.

And I hear your barking about parking and places being overparked. That's what city enforcement is for. You need metered street parking that is actually enforced to keep the cars moving.

My opinion is the market will largely sort this stuff out.

[az_daniel]

Eliminating parking or no parking in an apartment complex is "a cute eco friendly idea" but not in a city that gets to 120% and heat reflecting off the concrete at a much higher number. Does someone really want to be hailing an Uber,(waiting for it in that heat), and then walking from the street in that temperature through a big complex hauling their groceries or whatever. Let's get real. Talk is cheap actually enduring that kind of self abuse is a whole different game.

Nah, this is a great to see and Tempe is absolutely a part of the metro that can support this - and there clearly is demand for it. College students don't tend to have cars, either.

People run their daily errands without cars all the time in Phoenix, and in places with much worse weather. Lets get real - our summer temps are typically perfectly tolerable for short distance walking or biking, waiting for an uber or train - which is totally sufficient for getting around in Tempe. Personally, I'd also much rather spend a few mins waiting in the shade and the breeze on a hot day than getting into a brutally hot car.

If that is not for you, then that's fine - but other people want that, and developers are responding by making investments in development that offers that lifestyle (its not just talk anymore). it's time for people to accept that Tempe is urban and should no longer be forced to develop on the terms of suburbia because some people think its too hot to walk a few blocks.

[phoenixwillrise]

120% of what? I'd say this argument is 120% overused. It's not 120 degrees (I assume what you really meant) most of the year, and even when it is, it's perfectly possible to wait indoors for a ride and then receive an alert when the driver is outside. Many new buildings have dedicated rideshare pickup/dropoff areas right outside their entrances, often closer than tenant parking.

The "too hot" argument is just a sad, tired cliche whether it's used to advocate against parking reform, bike lanes, public transit, walkable streets, or anything else. Many cities around the world have extreme weather, and they adapt to it without being all about cars all the time, a maladaptive strategy that just increases heat absorption and retention. We can do the same.

First sorry my computer doesn't have the correct symbol for degrees but that's the closest I could come up with. Looks like you got the point!
I would concede that if you could not afford a car or were a college student who was young and single it might work but sorry not in the average real world with say a family doing the tasks required to exist in a city at 120 DEGREES with heat reflecting off the sidewalk at much greater DEGREES. Tell a person who has worked in the heat all day, say a contractor, roofer, landscaper etc. that you think it would be a great idea for them to participate in this eco friendly experiment of no car. You will laughed out of their presence and they will tell where to take your sad, tired cliche.

[exit2lef]

First sorry my computer doesn't have the correct symbol for degrees but that's the closest I could come up with. Looks like you got the point!
I would concede that if you could not afford a car or were a college student who was young and single it might work but sorry not in the average real world with say a family doing the tasks required to exist in a city at 120 DEGREES with heat reflecting off the sidewalk at much greater DEGREES. Tell a person who has worked in the heat all day, say a contractor, roofer, landscaper etc. that you think it would be a great idea for them to participate in this eco friendly experiment of no car. You will laughed out of their presence and they will tell where to take your sad, tired cliche.

I would never recommend that a contractor, roofer, or landscaper live in an apartment community with little or no parking, but not because of concerns about occupational heat exposure. In fact, I find that people who work in the heat every day are less likely to complain about it than white collar types who work in air-conditioned offices. The reason I would not recommend one of these apartments to anyone in those occupations is that those types of work often require the use of personal vehicles to reach far-flung job sites and to haul supplies and equipment.

As so many people here have said, these apartments aren't for everyone. In fact, I'd say they're a niche product at this point. That's okay, though. In a metropolitan area of five million people, there's a critical mass for many different types of niche products. You've admitted that you could see some populations valuing this type of apartment, and I even know some families who might embrace it. Acknowleding that diversity of preferences in no way takes away parking from the much larger population that values it. All it does is create more options for different types of consumers.

If these projects have trouble leasing their apartments, then more like them won't be built. The market will correct itself. I doubt that outcome, however. There are a wide variety of preferences here, and for too long, we've used arbitrary regulations to try to force one set of suburban standards on everyone without regard for individual priorities or adverse consequences. Forcing everyone to live a suburban, car-dependent lifestyle is every bit as bad as forcing everyone to live in crowded urban apartments. Let's avoid either extreme by allowing a market-based approach to parking and retiring hackneyed arguments about heat.

By the way, I usually just type the word "degree," but if you want to create the symbol with your keyboard, here's how to do it: https://www.degreesymbol.net/

[az_daniel]

First sorry my computer doesn't have the correct symbol for degrees but that's the closest I could come up with. Looks like you got the point!
I would concede that if you could not afford a car or were a college student who was young and single it might work but sorry not in the average real world with say a family doing the tasks required to exist in a city at 120 DEGREES with heat reflecting off the sidewalk at much greater DEGREES. Tell a person who has worked in the heat all day, say a contractor, roofer, landscaper etc. that you think it would be a great idea for them to participate in this eco friendly experiment of no car. You will laughed out of their presence and they will tell where to take your sad, tired cliche.

well, they're in luck because the phoenix metro area contains hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of square miles of autocentric suburban sprawl available for those who want to live an autocentric lifestyle lol. this is for those who don't.

[locolife]

First sorry my computer doesn't have the correct symbol for degrees but that's the closest I could come up with. Looks like you got the point!
I would concede that if you could not afford a car or were a college student who was young and single it might work but sorry not in the average real world with say a family doing the tasks required to exist in a city at 120 DEGREES with heat reflecting off the sidewalk at much greater DEGREES. Tell a person who has worked in the heat all day, say a contractor, roofer, landscaper etc. that you think it would be a great idea for them to participate in this eco friendly experiment of no car. You will laughed out of their presence and they will tell where to take your sad, tired cliche.

Why so extreme? It’s very, very rarely 120 it’s happened like 3 times in recorded history, it’s not 120 at night when people who work in the day are home running errands, same thing in the morning for those commuting without a car from this place to work. As a large population doesn’t work outside this can be an appealing.

I’d rather deal with our climate then -20 and a blizzard. Walking in 90-105 degrees weather for 10-20 minutes is fine.

[Obadno]

Why so extreme? It’s very, very rarely 120 it’s happened like 3 times in recorded history, it’s not 120 at night when people who work in the day are home running errands, same thing in the morning for those commuting without a car from this place to work. As a large population doesn’t work outside this can be an appealing.

I’d rather deal with our climate then -20 and a blizzard. Walking in 90-105 degrees weather for 10-20 minutes is fine.

Thank you, If people can walk around in Chicago and Milwaukee and Minneapolis and Cleaveland and Buffalo and Detroit when the weather is Cold or wet or humid or some combination of those then the 3 months of summer heat is not an impediment.

The problem is we need more shade and trees and flowing water in places to echourage walking. Even in peak summer heat even if you dont want to spend time outside its fine to be out there for 20 -30 minutes with shade

[phoenixwillrise]

Thank you, If people can walk around in Chicago and Milwaukee and Minneapolis and Cleaveland and Buffalo and Detroit when the weather is Cold or wet or humid or some combination of those then the 3 months of summer heat is not an impediment.

The problem is we need more shade and trees and flowing water in places to echourage walking. Even in peak summer heat even if you dont want to spend time outside its fine to be out there for 20 -30 minutes with shade

Ok, number one, I was being sarcastic about 120 degrees. number two, I grew up in Phoenix and played football with preseason practice in August. That being said I sure as heck wouldn't want to lug groceries around or whatever walking to an apartment or condo in that summer heat. And I currently live in Bellingham, WA and I am in Phoenix frequently as I have a condo there. So to respond to the remark on the cold weather comparison comment. The big difference is you can put on layers of clothing when it's cold or rainy in other cities as of yet they haven't develop a way to peal your skin off to walk thru that heat. So I still say there is no way the majority of people would want to go car less. Aren't EV's enough? Do we really have to take mass transit or Uber's everywhere? Be real, how practical is that?

[Obadno]

Ok, number one, I was being sarcastic about 120 degrees. number two, I grew up in Phoenix and played football with preseason practice in August. That being said I sure as heck wouldn't want to lug groceries around or whatever walking to an apartment or condo in that summer heat. And I currently live in Bellingham, WA and I am in Phoenix frequently as I have a condo there. So to respond to the remark on the cold weather comparison comment. The big difference is you can put on layers of clothing when it's cold or rainy in other cities as of yet they haven't develop a way to peal your skin off to walk thru that heat. So I still say there is no way the majority of people would want to go car less. Aren't EV's enough? Do we really have to take mass transit or Uber's everywhere? Be real, how practical is that?

The earliest cities in human history were built in Arid climates 5000 years ago. They managed somehow

Debunked :titanic:

[OcotilloTea]

No hate to PhoenixWillRise but I think you are perhaps just ignorant of what some people prefer. I lived car free in Tempe and would take the lightrail to work everyday throughout the summer and it was fine, I preferred that over driving to work. The heat is only really bad in the evening and by that time I didn't care if I was sweaty. A big point I would also point out is that what we see in Phoenix as the defacto urbanism is really really poorly suited for the type of environment we live in, and we could design our city to be WAY more friendly to pedestrian life in a hot desert environment. Look at cities in Spain or Morocco, lots of shade due to close together buildings, white roofs, little asphalt, many plants (not coincidentally this is exactly what culdesac tempe is implementing). People can and will still drive cars but don't presume that your preferences are the only way to live.
Ok, number one, I was being sarcastic about 120 degrees. number two, I grew up in Phoenix and played football with preseason practice in August. That being said I sure as heck wouldn't want to lug groceries around or whatever walking to an apartment or condo in that summer heat. And I currently live in Bellingham, WA and I am in Phoenix frequently as I have a condo there. So to respond to the remark on the cold weather comparison comment. The big difference is you can put on layers of clothing when it's cold or rainy in other cities as of yet they haven't develop a way to peal your skin off to walk thru that heat. So I still say there is no way the majority of people would want to go car less. Aren't EV's enough? Do we really have to take mass transit or Uber's everywhere? Be real, how practical is that?

[azcats]

They seem to be doing this more and more. Why didn't they think of this sooner?!? Especially at grocery store parking lots. More and more covers over parking spots in parking lots. It costs money - but, if customers demand it...or, will shop where they have them...

Something I do when down in the Valley in the summer: I jump in the car...turn it on...quickly roll down all the windows - turn on the A/C - then, jump out of the car for 5 minutes. It literally cools down the car from 220 degrees (well, I don't know - feels like it) to the outside temp: 107. :tup::tumbleweed:

[phoenixwillrise]

No hate to PhoenixWillRise but I think you are perhaps just ignorant of what some people prefer. I lived car free in Tempe and would take the lightrail to work everyday throughout the summer and it was fine, I preferred that over driving to work. The heat is only really bad in the evening and by that time I didn't care if I was sweaty. A big point I would also point out is that what we see in Phoenix as the defacto urbanism is really really poorly suited for the type of environment we live in, and we could design our city to be WAY more friendly to pedestrian life in a hot desert environment. Look at cities in Spain or Morocco, lots of shade due to close together buildings, white roofs, little asphalt, many plants (not coincidentally this is exactly what culdesac tempe is implementing). People can and will still drive cars but don't presume that your preferences are the only way to live.

Was MAJORITY, peace out!

[Obadno]

The one thing I still dont understand is why I see more and more places TEARING OUT SHADE TREES

I will forgive lawns but stop. There is something wildly off with our incentives that we are removing the most crucial thing for this hot climate.

[locolife]

The one thing I still dont understand is why I see more and more places TEARING OUT SHADE TREES

I will forgive lawns but stop. There is something wildly off with our incentives that we are removing the most crucial thing for this hot climate.

Where are you seeing that? I saw a lot of new trees downtown in Tempe and Phoenix recently.

[azsunsurfer]

Where are you seeing that? I saw a lot of new trees downtown in Tempe and Phoenix recently.

I've noticed it too recently. I drove down Mill about two weeks ago and noticed there were a lot of empty planters where ficus trees used to be. Most noticeably near the Shoe Mill.

[DesertRay]

I grew up in Phoenix and played football with preseason practice in August. That being said I sure as heck wouldn't want to lug groceries around or whatever walking to an apartment or condo in that summer heat. And I currently live in Bellingham, WA and I am in Phoenix frequently as I have a condo there. So to respond to the remark on the cold weather comparison comment. The big difference is you can put on layers of clothing when it's cold or rainy in other cities as of yet they haven't develop a way to peal your skin off to walk thru that heat. So I still say there is no way the majority of people would want to go car less. Aren't EV's enough? Do we really have to take mass transit or Uber's everywhere? Be real, how practical is that?

Same here. Grew up in Phoenix, and had to do two-a-days for football in the brutal heat of August. Went and played tennis on the hottest day ever in Phoenix (over 120 official, 140 degrees on that court), so I'm 100% aware of what this place is. Truth is, it's a way, WAY better place now, what with both the endless car sprawl AND the light rail AND the EVs and new car-light infrastructure. Hell, even grocery delivery is a boon. Some folks pretend that the mere existence of other choices is some sort of forced death march. It isn't. We can chill and talk about how terrible it was to wear those helmets and pads in the heat while we are enjoying all the benefits of all the new choices. YOU MUST CHILL!

[exit2lef]

Aren't EV's enough? Do we really have to take mass transit or Uber's everywhere? Be real, how practical is that?

No, EVs aren't enough. In situations in which a car is the best option, they can be less harmful than an ICE vehicle. Even so, EVs have their own environmental issues and are an expensive solution. A healthy city supports a variety of transport options and does not default to all cars, all the time, no matter how those cars are powered.

That said, no one has said that "we really have to take mass transit or Uber's [sic] everywhere." Relaxing arbitrary parking regulations is about expanding choices, not limiting them. Developing a niche product for people who choose not to own cars does not take away anyone else's ability to own and operate one.

Some folks pretend that the mere existence of other choices is some sort of forced death march.

There's a lot of parking paranoia in some of these comments.

[locolife]

I've noticed it too recently. I drove down Mill about two weeks ago and noticed there were a lot of empty planters where ficus trees used to be. Most noticeably near the Shoe Mill.

Do you mean the grain mill on the north side of Mill near Rio? They took out old dying Ficus trees and replanted new ones, they’re in as of last weekend. A lot of no trees on the north side of downtown Phoenix as well, from Hance Park all the way South to Van Buren. Will have some nice shady sidewalks in a few years.

[DesertRay]

Do you mean the grain mill on the north side of Mill near Rio? They took out old dying Ficus trees and replanted new ones, they’re in as of last weekend. A lot of no trees on the north side of downtown Phoenix as well, from Hance Park all the way South to Van Buren. Will have some nice shady sidewalks in a few years.

There are plans to make a "Shade River" of trees in Hance Park in one of the refresh phases. Would LOVE to see that happen during the next few years.

[azcats]

Same here. Grew up in Phoenix, and had to do two-a-days for football in the brutal heat of August. Went and played tennis on the hottest day ever in Phoenix (over 120 official, 140 degrees on that court), so I'm 100% aware of what this place is. Truth is, it's a way, WAY better place now, what with both the endless car sprawl AND the light rail AND the EVs and new car-light infrastructure. Hell, even grocery delivery is a boon. Some folks pretend that the mere existence of other choices is some sort of forced death march. It isn't. We can chill and talk about how terrible it was to wear those helmets and pads in the heat while we are enjoying all the benefits of all the new choices. YOU MUST CHILL!

I'm getting a real kick out of this conversation. Nothing new here. The key is choosing and choices. You are a lot braver than me. In the summer, we used to play tennis at daybreak - in the morning. Swimming is another option. I was swimming competitively by the time I was five years old. People used to say to me, "You're from here - you're used to it." Hell no! I just learned to deal with it. Your conversations about new choices/options - to help deal with it - are great! If you live in Buffalo and hate the cold, snowy winters. Move. If you can't stand the heat in the summer - you have choices. Moving is one of them. Years ago, I was sitting out in Fountain Hills - in the summer...and it was hot...but, I could smell the creosote bushes - the day after a summer monsoon. There was something comforting about it ...like "It's comforting to know how some things never change." Besides, if the desert summers were like coastal southern California - there would be 40 million people living in Maricopa County. :)

[locolife]

I'm getting a real kick out of this conversation. Nothing new here. The key is choosing and choices. You are a lot braver than me. In the summer, we used to play tennis at daybreak - in the morning. Swimming is another option. I was swimming competitively by the time I was five years old. People used to say to me, "You're from here - you're used to it." Hell no! I just learned to deal with it. Your conversations about new choices/options - to help deal with it - are great! If you live in Buffalo and hate the cold, snowy winters. Move. If you can't stand the heat in the summer - you have choices. Moving is one of them. Years ago, I was sitting out in Fountain Hills - in the summer...and it was hot...but, I could smell the creosote bushes - the day after a summer monsoon. There was something comforting about it ...like "It's comforting to know how some things never change." Besides, if the desert summers were like coastal southern California - there would be 40 million people living in Maricopa County. :)

Couldn't agree more with the bold part above, love the smells, scenes, skies of summer. Yeah it's toasty but it's comforting in many ways, I do like that things slow down a bit from the busy spring season. It's a nice change of pace.

[Obadno]

Where are you seeing that? I saw a lot of new trees downtown in Tempe and Phoenix recently.

I have seen multiple apartments and office complexes that have taken advantage of incentives to put in gravel and cactuses and fake grass which on their own aren't a problem but they've also torn out full grown. trees.


Clearly the incentives are written in a way that is pulling out shade trees along with grass. Just today my office building is "improving" their landscaping which apparently is tearing out around 15-20 large 20ish year-old trees that used to shade the eastern face of the building.

This is idiotic

[muertecaza]

The Pier and South Pier:

https://i.imgur.com/xJdd0bMh.jpeg

[Mr.RE]

If I was a prospective resident of the pier, I'd be skeptical living in a tower that took 10 years to build as I'm sure there will be defects all over the place.... Or maybe it'll be the Taj Mahal of high rises with expert level craftsmanship for how long it's been!:P

[muertecaza]

Tempe city elections are being reported generally as a "pro-development" win. The 2050 general plan appears poised to pass easily, and of the 5 candidates for 3 council seats, the 2 that likely will not make the cut were viewed as the "anti-development" candidates.

https://arizonadigitalfreepress.com/unofficial-results-tempe-mayoral-city-council-and-general-plan-votes-reported/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2024/03/12/election-day-tempe-what-to-know/72934016007/

[exit2lef]

Tempe city elections are being reported generally as a "pro-development" win. The 2050 general plan appears poised to pass easily, and of the 5 candidates for 3 council seats, the 2 that likely will not make the cut were viewed as the "anti-development" candidates.

https://arizonadigitalfreepress.com/unofficial-results-tempe-mayoral-city-council-and-general-plan-votes-reported/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2024/03/12/election-day-tempe-what-to-know/72934016007/

It's interesting to have this outcome despite the defeat of the Coyotes deal. I'd say Tempe voters may be selective about development, especially subsidized development, but they're definitely not anti-development on the whole.

[combusean]

Or the candidates were just terrible.

https://www.davidforcouncil.org/why-im-running is a bizarre cringy rant.

Tapia wasn't as bad, but imagine characterizing a city as "overdeveloped" while simultaneously not understanding its general plan AND running for council. Embarassing.


One of the items that will also be on the ballot in March is General Plan 2050. Tapia said he can understand both sides of the issue through the advice of his brother, Hector Tapia, who is the current director of development for the city of Nogales.

https://www.statepress.com/article/2024/02/politics-hugo-tapia-profile-tempe-city-council#

[ASU Diablo]

It's interesting to have this outcome despite the defeat of the Coyotes deal. I'd say Tempe voters may be selective about development, especially subsidized development, but they're definitely not anti-development on the whole.

I think the Coyotes defeat had to do more w/ the misinformation campaign that was firing on all cylinders versus voters being anti-development.

Now that time has passed, I'm guessing that landfill site has seen zero interest? LOL Is Tempe moving forward w/ remediation and passing cost to taxpayers yet?

[combusean]

The liability to taxpayers on the remediation, presuming that it is verifiably leaking into the water table and not just a likelihood, was an "any day now" in my interpretation and didn't have a specific timeline. I don't know who's doing the water quality studies there that would trigger such a beast anyways if they're done at all.

Complicated old things like hundred-year-old landfills don't fail on anyone's budget or timeline anyways, and the site is now cursed for someone trying to do something intensive there in the future.

[azsunsurfer]

Do any of y'all kno which vacant site this be? I am trippin over myself tryin to find which parcel it is...

https://azbex.com/local-news/tempe-coalition-pays-2-77m-for-future-affordable-housing-site/

[muertecaza]

Do any of y'all kno which vacant site this be? I am trippin over myself tryin to find which parcel it is...

https://azbex.com/local-news/tempe-coalition-pays-2-77m-for-future-affordable-housing-site/

Here's the deed:

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/GetRecDataDetail.aspx?rec=20240098217

From what I can tell it's the vacant lots to the south of the Dorsey/Apache light rail stop:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4146106,-111.916799,3a,75y,151.96h,93.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st8knNs3-eJnXKApUHc4SeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I've been wondering if/when those would get developed. 40-50 units seems a little light, but given the proximity to the SFH neighborhood that has fought other more dense proposals nearby, it could be worse.

[azsunsurfer]

Here's the deed:

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/GetRecDataDetail.aspx?rec=20240098217

From what I can tell it's the vacant lots to the south of the Dorsey/Apache light rail stop:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4146106,-111.916799,3a,75y,151.96h,93.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st8knNs3-eJnXKApUHc4SeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

I've been wondering if/when those would get developed. 40-50 units seems a little light, but given the proximity to the SFH neighborhood that has fought other more dense proposals nearby, it could be worse.

Do you know what's going to happen with that neighboring Oak St. proposal that was killed by the neighborhood? Congrats on them for keeping a blighted motel in place....

[muertecaza]

Do you know what's going to happen with that neighboring Oak St. proposal that was killed by the neighborhood? Congrats on them for keeping a blighted motel in place....

I think the entitlements lapsed, so as far as I know there is nothing on the books there. As you say, and as people on this forum said at the time, seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

On the subject of Apache, I ate at Cocina Chiwas over the weekend (which was fantastic) and walked around Culdesac a bit. On the ground, at least in the commercial area on the west end, they really seemed to have achieved their vision. At night, with the lights, it was really pleasant and well done. You can decide for yourselves if I'm now part of the Culdesac marketing team :D

[muertecaza]

Looks like Gilbane is proposing to construct student housing to replace the Walgreens at Apache/Rural:

https://i.ibb.co/N25fN35/PXL-20240320-145428213.jpg

[Mr.RE]

That must include the Moxy hotel to be 3.8 acres. That whole intersection is growing up fast!

[azsunsurfer]

It says "maintaining" does that mean they are going to build around it on the surface lot?

[muertecaza]

That must include the Moxy hotel to be 3.8 acres. That whole intersection is growing up fast!

It says "maintaining" does that mean they are going to build around it on the surface lot?

Good point on the acreage, I used an acreage estimator tool and got right about 3.8 acres by including Moxy. Also, the other red sign is on the south side of Moxy off Spence, so it makes sense that this encompasses both Walgreens and Moxy.

Not sure about the "maintaining," but that is interesting. I think that Walgreens is just about 12,500 square feet, using the same area estimator tool, so that would make sense as well. Seems like best of both worlds.

[muertecaza]

Also, demo is currently ongoing around the cornet with both the Sleep Inn and the Super 8. This intersection will definitely be fun with the before and after Google Street View in a few more years.

[Forrester1998]

Also saw the zoning sign on the SW corner of Apache and Rural for the Vine. Based on the acreage listed (1.1 acres) I think that one is going to include the Chevron gas station and foodmart as well as the Vine. Looks set to be a 21 story high rise.

[combusean]

That's very strange, I would have thought that Moxy hotel was still serviceable and didn't see it being torn down at all, but it is 50 years old.

That CVS looks way, way too new to be replaced. My reading of "maintaining" the space is that they're going to build around it.

[azsunsurfer]

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=106954&t=638463531801126950

Great project for that corner...but the neighborhood is already up in arms over the "color" scheme as well as the setbacks....well see what happens with this one....

[exit2lef]

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=106954&t=638463531801126950

Great project for that corner...but the neighborhood is already up in arms over the "color" scheme as well as the setbacks....well see what happens with this one....

I like the colors, but it's shame they had to reduce the amount of blue. If there's any aspect of housing that should be completely unregulated, it's color.

[combusean]

They're not regulating the color per se, it's about heat absorption.

From the packet ...

... staff expressed concerns that the large amount of dark colored metal would increase heat absorption and cause significant stress on plants located adjacent to the building.

A building shouldn't scorch neighbors or pedestrians even if you approach design review from a strong property rights perspective. It also shouldn't scorch required landscaping from the opposite perspective.

[azsunsurfer]

The Motel 8 on the north side of Apache is being demolished. So it looks like this project along with the one directly across the street next to Pete's Fish and Chips will start around the same time! Good news!

Another economic black eye to Tempe though.....Northern Trust has quietly removed it's signage from the Discovery Center and has put up all of its space in its first building (150k Sqft.) for sublease. If you recall, they had an agreement with Tempe to develop three buildings and to bring so many jobs to Tempe. Looks like that didn't happen as they only developed two buildings. The second building is partially occupied by TruWest Credit Union and Chase Manhattan. It will also probably prolong the rest of the Discovery Center development timeline. Here is the listing....

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2190-E-Elliot-Rd-Tempe-AZ/17193402/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2015/02/26/northern-trust-bank-bringing-jobs-tempe/24096759/

[az_daniel]

They're not regulating the color per se, it's about heat absorption.

From the packet ...



A building shouldn't scorch neighbors or pedestrians even if you approach design review from a strong property rights perspective. It also shouldn't scorch required landscaping from the opposite perspective.

That would be true, except that dark colors don't do this. Light colors reflect significant light and heat onto surrounding areas - dark colors don't. dark materials with mass (like concrete) *will* release heat at night once ambient temps drop below material temp, but released heat won't come anywhere close to scorching plants or people. metal doesn't have a lot of mass and is a good conductor, so it cools down quickly at night. they are definitely trying to control color.

[muertecaza]

Coverage of College & 7th, set (hopefully) for council approval in the beginning of April:

https://www.ahwatukee.com/news/article_38400652-eae5-11ee-958d-03502c4a709c.html

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/ahwatukee.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/7c/37c1c4ae-eae5-11ee-9681-873f6dc666c1/6601dcb5da1c7.image.jpg?resize=300%2C335

Really excited for this project.

[muertecaza]

Also saw the zoning sign on the SW corner of Apache and Rural for the Vine. Based on the acreage listed (1.1 acres) I think that one is going to include the Chevron gas station and foodmart as well as the Vine. Looks set to be a 21 story high rise.

I went by this Friday to nab a picture:

https://i.imgur.com/2zKJGkbh.jpeg

[RichTempe]

Picture of downtown Tempe from Rustler's Rooste yesterday afternoon:

https://i.postimg.cc/mk70FtYf/20240410-173320.jpg

And one from "A" Mountain this afternoon:

https://i.postimg.cc/nV78Ww6R/20240411-182835.jpg

[Forrester1998]

New Preliminary Site Plan Review application on the Tempe ePermits site for 1100 E. Lemon Street (NE corner of Lemon and Terrace, currently a 2 story apartment building called "The Regency"). Project name on the application is Verve Lemon, so it seems to be the same applicant as the project Verve Tempe that just got approved right next door at the current site of the Park Terrace Apartments. No height/density info available yet, and since it's just a PSPR could be awhile out.

[locolife]

Picture of downtown Tempe from Rustler's Rooste yesterday afternoon:

https://i.postimg.cc/mk70FtYf/20240410-173320.jpg

And one from "A" Mountain this afternoon:

https://i.postimg.cc/nV78Ww6R/20240411-182835.jpg

Nice, would be cool to get a pano all the way around Mountain showing the lake-front skyline plus the downtown proper area. It's starting to rival some other cities in and of itself.

https://commonedge.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/san-jose-viA-Temblor-1000x430.jpg

[combusean]

For Tempe's total size I'd say it punches way above its weight in height lately. I had difficulty identifying the towers in that Rustlers Roost vantagepoint namely because Mirabella is so huge and new.

[combusean]

GoDaddy has relocated their HQ to 100 Mill which isn't the win we were hoping for Downtown Phoenix but still pretty cool.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2024/04/17/godaddy-100-mill-new-lease-hq-deal.html

[skiesthelimit]

Does anyone know what the equipment on site behind the WF building and the Jack in the Box is for? Could Hilo finally be starting construction?

Looks like there’s a website now too? https://www.hilotempe.com/

[CBar]

The news of a new terminal at the Sky Harbor airport was kind of out of the blue. It seems the proposed new terminal will be in the old Terminal 2 location; so it won't impact Tempe directly. More details are expected on May 7th.

The news https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-we-know-about-plans-for-a-new-west-terminal-at-phoenix-sky-harbor-airport pointed me to the 2019 pdf https://www.skyharbor.com/media/k4ehgw3l/phx-camp-documentation_2019-09-13.pdf (see page 32) that talks about the proposed West Terminal under the heading "Preferred Terminal Concept".

While a new terminal on the west side may not have a direct impact on Tempe skyline, but more flights, especially more international flights, would have an indirect impact on Tempe.

[Forrester1998]

FWIW, that website for Hilo has been up for awhile now (a couple of years I think). There are two high rise projects in that immediate vicinity that have seen much more recent activity. The future high rise at 16 E. University (currently the Wells Fargo building) got zoning approval just last year, while the project on the NW corner of University and Myrtle (currently the Salvation Army worship center) recently began filing building permit applications for demolition of the current structures. I'm guessing this is being used as staging for one of those two projects.

[azsunsurfer]

News over at Marina Heights.....

The first chunk of one of Carvana Co.'s former Tempe offices has been claimed.

San Diego-based LPL Financial (Nasdaq: LPLA) will sublease a full floor, or about 43,000 square feet, at Building D at Marina Heights — a five-building office campus that overlooks Tempe Town Lake. Used car dealer Carvana (NYSE: CVNA) put about 292,000 square feet of the 372,741-square-foot building at 500 E. Rio Salado Parkway on the sublease market last year.

LPL is expected to take occupancy of its third-floor office in September. It will have about 400 workstations in its space. The company expects to bring hundreds of employees to the Tempe office.

"LPL’s new home office in Tempe is a significant milestone in the growth and momentum of our firm. Our expanded footprint allows us to better serve advisors and institutions throughout the Southwest and beyond. We are excited to tap into the strong local talent pool in the region for growth opportunities across several LPL teams, including client success, business strategy and growth, business and wealth solutions, and finance, operations and risk. We anticipate welcoming up to 250 employees in 2024, with room for expansion in 2025," the company wrote in a statement to the Business Journal.

The company has corporate offices in San Diego, Boston and Fort Mill, South Carolina. Locally, the firm has financial advisors with offices across the Phoenix metro.

“LPL had distinct market requirements and explored multiple locations before selecting Tempe. The decision was largely influenced by Tempe's vibrant talent pool and comprehensive amenities,” said Tom Adelson, executive managing director of Newmark Group and listing broker for the sublease, in a statement. “Carvana’s plug-and-play space provided an ideal solution, enabling LPL Financial to fast-track its operational readiness without any upfront capital expenses.”

Adelson is marketing the entire sublease with Newmark Director Erin McClure. CBRE Group Inc.'s Michael Conner, John Christenbury and Patrick Cavanagh represented LPL in its move to Tempe, according to a news release.

For the rest of the sublease space, Adelson and McClure are looking for tenants to scoop up a full floor or the entire remaining available space.

The 2.1 million-square-foot, five-building Marina Heights office complex on the Salt River was developed by Ryan Cos. and Sunbelt Holdings for State Farm. Experts point to the development as a driving force that gave the area around Tempe Town Lake legitimacy for top office users.

Carvana remains a tenant at Marina Heights
Despite putting a big block of space on the sublease market, Carvana remains a tenant at Marina Heights along with other major employers like State Farm and Honor Health. Carvana subleased about 350,000 square feet from State Farm in 2019 at Building A, where Mountainside Fitness also operates a gym on the ground floor.

Earlier this year, the Business Journal reported that Carvana would not take occupancy of a new office campus that was being built for them by Verde Investments. Instead, those buildings are now being marketed to new tenants. Adelson and McClure are also the listing brokers for the campus, which is now known as Tempe Vale.

Tempe's office submarket commanded the highest direct asking rental rate of any submarket throughout the Valley in the first quarter, at $38.46 per square foot, according to a report from brokerage firm Avison Young.

The Valley was hit hard by negative net absorption during the first quarter, with JLL data showing that the region registered negative 801,175 square feet since the start of the year. The amount of sublease additions, however, began to subside from a peak in the first half of 2023. The vacancy rate across the Valley stands at 25.9% as of Q1, according to JLL.

Earlier this month, the Business Journal reported that GoDaddy moved into a full floor at the nearby 100 Mill for a new company headquarters. That space was previously marketed as a sublease by Moov Technologies, but GoDaddy secured a direct lease as it moved through the process.

[muertecaza]

South Pier up to floor 8 and a lot more active work than The Pier...at what point does South Pier finishing first stop being a joke?

https://i.imgur.com/ojRh5x5h.jpeg

[muertecaza]

Taco Chelo opening soon at the SWC of University House.

https://www.abc15.com/entertainment/events/taco-chelo-announces-opening-date-for-its-tempe-location

When I first saw it would be there, I was sort of hoping for the as-yet never leased NWC. But regardless hopefully this helps draw more people that way; the retail there always seems to struggle.

[exit2lef]

Taco Chelo opening soon at the SWC of University House.

https://www.abc15.com/entertainment/events/taco-chelo-announces-opening-date-for-its-tempe-location

When I first saw it would be there, I was sort of hoping for the as-yet never leased NWC. But regardless hopefully this helps draw more people that way; the retail there always seems to struggle.

University House is such a butt-ugly building that it's the last place I'd expect to house an artsy place like Taco Chelo. It will be interesting to see what they can do there.

[muertecaza]

Upcoming DRC meeting has some items of interest:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/107638


Previously reported Sam's Club at Tempe Marketplace is starting the entitlement process (https://www.abc15.com/news/business/sams-club-primed-for-new-location-at-tempe-marketplace)

Proposed Chik-fil-a at 1160 E University, where the former Chompie's building is. A little surprising that they would want to build another one barely a mile from the University/Mill location, but with as busy as that one is, I guess not too surprising.

Huge apartment building, 910 units, proposed at Oak/Scottsdale in North Tempe.

Previously discussed Sterling Tempe, at Terrace/Apache, replacing University Valley apts, moving forward.

21-story proposal to replace the Vine and the gas station at Rural/Apache, posted about earlier, moving forward.


Does not seem to be any shortage of proposals in Tempe.

[poconoboy61]

Upcoming DRC meeting has some items of interest:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/107638


Previously reported Sam's Club at Tempe Marketplace is starting the entitlement process (https://www.abc15.com/news/business/sams-club-primed-for-new-location-at-tempe-marketplace)

Proposed Chik-fil-a at 1160 E University, where the former Chompie's building is. A little surprising that they would want to build another one barely a mile from the University/Mill location, but with as busy as that one is, I guess not too surprising.

Huge apartment building, 910 units, proposed at Oak/Scottsdale in North Tempe.

Previously discussed Sterling Tempe, at Terrace/Apache, replacing University Valley apts, moving forward.

21-story proposal to replace the Vine and the gas station at Scottsdale/Apache, posted about earlier, moving forward.


Does not seem to be any shortage of proposals in Tempe.

Scottsdale and Apache?

[muertecaza]

Scottsdale and Apache?

Whoops, fixed, thanks, Rural/Apache. Same road, different name.

[soled]

University House is such a butt-ugly building that it's the last place I'd expect to house an artsy place like Taco Chelo. It will be interesting to see what they can do there.

I hope it won't be much longer before someone opens up a bar/restaurant in the University House College Ave/Veteran's Way corner occupancy. That's a prime spot for a pre-game hangout.

It's crazy how long that spot has been there without catching fish.

[azsunsurfer]

Did anyone else catch that Tempe is going to ask it's voters to approve as part of its bond package a new emergency services building (fire station) within Novus...I wonder if ASU/ Tempe has identified where this would be going? I assume around Mullett Area but I could be wrong..."From Landfill to Landmark!!"

[Mr.RE]

Upcoming DRC meeting has some items of interest:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/107638


Previously reported Sam's Club at Tempe Marketplace is starting the entitlement process (https://www.abc15.com/news/business/sams-club-primed-for-new-location-at-tempe-marketplace)

Proposed Chik-fil-a at 1160 E University, where the former Chompie's building is. A little surprising that they would want to build another one barely a mile from the University/Mill location, but with as busy as that one is, I guess not too surprising.

Huge apartment building, 910 units, proposed at Oak/Scottsdale in North Tempe.

Previously discussed Sterling Tempe, at Terrace/Apache, replacing University Valley apts, moving forward.

21-story proposal to replace the Vine and the gas station at Rural/Apache, posted about earlier, moving forward.


Does not seem to be any shortage of proposals in Tempe.

The 910 apartments is being proposed here replacing the existing Gateway apartment complex: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Scottsdale+Gateway+Phase+II/@33.4511283,-111.9292829,1124m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x872b0bdf9070ba33:0x565af23a03586bc5!2s2180+N+Scottsdale+Rd,+Scottsdale,+AZ+85257!3b1!8m2!3d33.4720682!4d-111.9261929!3m5!1s0x872b096af393acad:0x35aa544d04e1bc39!8m2!3d33.4521899!4d-111.9280576!16s%2Fg%2F1tm8ffwt?entry=ttu

[MiEncanto]

Did anyone else catch that Tempe is going to ask it's voters to approve as part of its bond package a new emergency services building (fire station) within Novus...I wonder if ASU/ Tempe has identified where this would be going? I assume around Mullett Area but I could be wrong..."From Landfill to Landmark!!"

lol exhibit #45 why Novus is not going to plan. I thought it was supposed to be private enterprises paying for new athletic facilities?

[muertecaza]

The 910 apartments is being proposed here replacing the existing Gateway apartment complex: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Scottsdale+Gateway+Phase+II/@33.4511283,-111.9292829,1124m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x872b0bdf9070ba33:0x565af23a03586bc5!2s2180+N+Scottsdale+Rd,+Scottsdale,+AZ+85257!3b1!8m2!3d33.4720682!4d-111.9261929!3m5!1s0x872b096af393acad:0x35aa544d04e1bc39!8m2!3d33.4521899!4d-111.9280576!16s%2Fg%2F1tm8ffwt?entry=ttu

Whoops, you're right, I got confused between Tempe and Scottsdale addresses.

[urbanplandan]

Did anyone else catch that Tempe is going to ask it's voters to approve as part of its bond package a new emergency services building (fire station) within Novus...I wonder if ASU/ Tempe has identified where this would be going? I assume around Mullett Area but I could be wrong..."From Landfill to Landmark!!"

The last I heard from some FD friends was that it was going to be near Rio Salado and Dorsey just north of their training center. I believe the land is given to Tempe but they have to develop it by a certain year. Would be cool if it was a tall FDNY type fire station to fit in with the other high rises around it!

[skiesthelimit]

Proposed Chik-fil-a at 1160 E University, where the former Chompie's building is. A little surprising that they would want to build another one barely a mile from the University/Mill location, but with as busy as that one is, I guess not too surprising

They could be prepping to get rid of the CVS and CFA on that corner since it’s so prominent now. Would be perfect for another tower to rise with the hotel across the street and WF building soon to rise.

I was looking at the development map the other day and noticed they’re also building another CFA on Broadway x Priest across from the Black Rock which I thought was weird. This news combined with that makes me think something is coming on that corner soon…

I just hope they orient the drive way so that traffic doesn’t spill onto uni like Canes as well as block residents from getting home next door.