Tempe Development Thread

[phoenixwillrise]

I was unaware that they had received complaints from elsewhere. I would have strongly leaned in their favor in the past, but the case makes light of a lot of important things and they just seem like bad neighbors overall.

Accordingly, there are parts about that ruling that make sense, but there are other parts that are simply insane. He could have simply told them to follow city code as it was written at the time they received their use permit (which makes lots of sense), but the judge exceeded his authority in personally dictating their business hours. I hope it gets appealed on that alone.

I am just surprised that some big bopper from Mirabella just hasn't purchased the lot that place sits on and leveled it and called it a cold beer day!

[muertecaza]

Noticed on the development tracker that there is a project in the entitlements called "Lincoln south bank - Mixed Use" Where the pier is going to be built. It also shows the Southpier proposal we discussed a few pages back. Could this be another high rise development in the works??

This is from 2015: https://www.tempe.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/33723/635701446206430000

Perhaps it is being revived?

A little lackluster compared to its neighbors. :shrug:

I don't think so. It's listed as a different address: 1122 E Vista del Lago Dr

I guess we will find out soon enough!

Here is the zoning sign. Another 21 story tower :tup:

https://i.imgur.com/AmRppHkh.jpg

[Mr.RE]

Phase 2 of Banyan North Tempe has been approved/entitled. Working it's way through the system. My guess is it wont start construction until next year once Phase 1 opens to avoid the competition in lease-up. The developer stated first units would come Winter 2022.

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/AxTYj8A.jpg

Banyan

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/JnMyFZe.jpg

The beam

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/JnMyFZe.jpg

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/U3LLLXV.jpg

Omni

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/Ao6SM02.jpg

Novus condo

[CB1]

*apartment

[Mr.RE]

Haven't seen this video before of Omni Hotel. These renderings look amazing. That rooftop lounge and pool will be incredible, i'll definitely be checking this out once complete!

https://www.omnihotels.com/hotels/tempe-asu/hotel-fly-through

[ASU Diablo]

There was an agenda item on the Joint Review Committee meeting that was scheduled for yesterday but was cancelled.

Topic was for "Novus Parcel 3G – Proposed New Multi-Family Development". For you ASU Football fans, I think this was the lone remaining grassy area where you could tailgate LOL it's Lot 4 (Grass)...right next to Verde Dickey Dome.

Hopefully it gets rescheduled soon and get to see some renderings. Nice to see Novus Corridor starting to build out on the other side of Rural Rd.

Development Plan Review for Novus Parcel 3G. 7-story apartment project with 333 units.

Link to PDF: https://www.tempe.gov/home/showpublisheddocument/95984/637866694735670000

https://i.imgur.com/zRZZtcz.png

https://i.imgur.com/YrixPJz.png

[MiEncanto]

Haven't seen this video before of Omni Hotel. These renderings look amazing. That rooftop lounge and pool will be incredible, i'll definitely be checking this out once complete!

https://www.omnihotels.com/hotels/tempe-asu/hotel-fly-through

Nothing says "this project pencils out with or without the incentive" quite like proceeding with construction during litigation brought by the State Attorney General.

[PHXFlyer11]

Anyone else find it interesting that the Novus plans show high/mid-rises but every project that pencils in seems to be 5-7 stories? Seems pie in the sky, which is disappointing, because this is the last land left in downtown Tempe, and in this environment you'd think they could make a few work.

[combusean]

I think the high-rises are there for later phases. More expensive buildings might not pencil out when all you have really nearby is ASU and no retail/neighborhood amenities yet.

[Mr.RE]

I think the high-rises are there for later phases. More expensive buildings might not pencil out when all you have really nearby is ASU and no retail/neighborhood amenities yet.

Have they leased or opened any retail in Novus lately? The new apartment complex I believe has 10k SF along 6th street and the 777 office I believe has some space dedicated to retail. That will really activate the street if they can get some good tenants in there.

[Obadno]

I dont recall anything being planned/zoned in novus over 8-10 floors except for along the river/lakeshore.

[Mr.RE]

Speaking of the Lakeshore, the City Council approved the South Pier development on April 28th. 24 story mixed use towers with 724 units. :cheers: Hope to see this one move forward to permit soon.

[muertecaza]

Winners of the latest RFP to redevelop the Mill/Silos are presenting to the Development Review Commission in their Study Session tonight:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96106&t=637871925887279650

Agenda item does not have a lot of details. Hopefully someone here is able to watch or there is some reporting on the presentation.

[combusean]

Have they leased or opened any retail in Novus lately? The new apartment complex I believe has 10k SF along 6th street and the 777 office I believe has some space dedicated to retail. That will really activate the street if they can get some good tenants in there.

I would be surprised if any of that retail opened up any time soon--no neighborhood yet. No Rural Rd visibility from the back corner of the 777 tower, haven't seemed to have heard of a second phase of 777. The phasing of the plan and render above seems to agree with saving the taller blocks for later. The blocks to the north and west of 777 do seem to be saved for higher-end 10ish story stuff. They seem to be touching all the sectors without going all in on spec--one trophy office on 777, one crummy office on 4F, one market-missing hotel, and three life-as-usual apartment buildings. The plan is judicious as it is ambitious.

[skiesthelimit]

Winners of the latest RFP to redevelop the Mill/Silos are presenting to the Development Review Commission in their Study Session tonight:

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96106&t=637871925887279650

Agenda item does not have a lot of details. Hopefully someone here is able to watch or there is some reporting on the presentation.

Hey ya'll, this was actually for the Neighborhood Association Commission tonight. A rep from one of the developers spoke to everyone seeking input on the vision they have for the site... let's just say it is very underwhelming in its current state. They have no intention to do anything with silos as they have deemed them too narrow (I blame this on a lack of creativity, why not shove in a microbrewery, restaurant, lounge, literally anything). Additionally, HUGE emphasis on keeping height to a minimum to keep current view vantage points and not disrupt the surrounding environment or the attention of the original structures as well. Nonetheless, they are literally begging for public comment and input, so I urge you all to please reach out to the developers, share your ideas and check the different commissions as the developer makes their rounds the next couple of weeks/months. They said they will be touching base frequently as they want to ensure it is something that resonates with the residents and the city. If you have time in the future, do attend and make your voices heard so we don't end up with a bowl of melted vanilla ice cream as the gateway to Tempe especially after so many failed RFPs.

ETA: DRC's meeting is next Tuesday where they will be presented to for the study session and discuss. Also 2050 Tempe General Plan is starting up so highly recommend attending that if anyone can!

I would be surprised if any of that retail opened up any time soon--no neighborhood yet. No Rural Rd visibility from the back corner of the 777 tower, haven't seemed to have heard of a second phase of 777. The phasing of the plan and render above seems to agree with saving the taller blocks for later. The blocks to the north and west of 777 do seem to be saved for higher-end 10ish story stuff. They seem to be touching all the sectors without going all in on spec--one trophy office on 777, one crummy office on 4F, one market-missing hotel, and three life-as-usual apartment buildings. The plan is judicious as it is ambitious.

I think once the reno at Cornerstone is complete we'll see the retail corridor begin to get activated. There technically already is a neighborhood along University to Dorsey (McClintock or even Smith if you want to push it). Then everything on Lemon/Terrace/Apache all within a justifiable walking distance of 10-15 mins. No arguing there is a lack of immediate access but one apartment is complete, another going vertical, and another under review/approved iirc. Plus the arena is also opening in the winter so I would say maybe around July/August we start seeing some leases happening to activate the area in time for the first Coyote game or something.

[muertecaza]

Hey ya'll, this was actually for the Neighborhood Association Commission tonight. A rep from one of the developers spoke to everyone seeking input on the vision they have for the site... let's just say it is very underwhelming in its current state. They have no intention to do anything with silos as they have deemed them too narrow (I blame this on a lack of creativity, why not shove in a microbrewery, restaurant, lounge, literally anything). Additionally, HUGE emphasis on keeping height to a minimum to keep current view vantage points and not disrupt the surrounding environment or the attention of the original structures as well. Nonetheless, they are literally begging for public comment and input, so I urge you all to please reach out to the developers, share your ideas and check the different commissions as the developer makes their rounds the next couple of weeks/months. They said they will be touching base frequently as they want to ensure it is something that resonates with the residents and the city. If you have time in the future, do attend and make your voices heard so we don't end up with a bowl of melted vanilla ice cream as the gateway to Tempe especially after so many failed RFPs.

ETA: DRC's meeting is next Tuesday where they will be presented to for the study session and discuss. Also 2050 Tempe General Plan is starting up so highly recommend attending that if anyone can!

Thanks for the update, I'll see if I can weigh in.

[muertecaza]

Pretty interesting packets for historical preservation commission review of 250 Rio, focusing on the treatment of the approach to the Ash Ave. Bridge abutment, as well as somewhat on the Tempe Beach Park stadium.

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96158&t=637873553204018792

https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96172&t=637874226142888996

[muertecaza]

Another step in the transformation of 1st St. on its way:

https://i.imgur.com/CV6sd8qh.jpg

This is at Hardy/1st St. Proposed 7-story, 95', 319 units, 65 du/ac.

[ASU Diablo]

I don't think so. It's listed as a different address: 1122 E Vista del Lago Dr

I guess we will find out soon enough! :tup:

Has anyone been able to find out additional information regarding Lincoln South Bank??

[Obadno]

Another step in the transformation of 1st St. on its way:

https://i.imgur.com/CV6sd8qh.jpg

This is at Hardy/1st St. Proposed 7-story, 95', 319 units, 65 du/ac.

Isn’t that supposed to be the new caravan hq?

[xymox]

Isn’t that supposed to be the new caravan hq?

No - that's the SE corner of Rio Salado & Priest. The fencing is up for the project already. Unclear if it started or not. It will be an additional HQ building, of which there are currently 5.

[locolife]

Not the greatest quality with my phone but Tempe skyline yesterday from Papago park.

https://i.imgur.com/AyMQpBC.jpeg

[RichTempe]

No - that's the SE corner of Rio Salado & Priest. The fencing is up for the project already. Unclear if it started or not. It will be an additional HQ building, of which there are currently 5.

The parking garage is already under construction. There's a crane (not a tower crane) and it looks like it's 3 stories on the portion that's being worked on as of yesterday.

[somethingfast]

wow, Tempe has gotten impressive! reminds me of Reston or Tysons Corner, VA. Basically, an entirely self-contained DT/urban core. Dwarfs Tucson!

[CrestedSaguaro]

That view from Papago Park is amazing! I do short hikes there about once every 2 weeks in addition to my weekly bike rides there. It's amazing how much it's changed in just the last few years.

[locolife]

That view from Papago Park is amazing! I do short hikes there about once every 2 weeks in addition to my weekly bike rides there. It's amazing how much it's changed in just the last few years.

Yeah, if anyone took a real camera out there the view of DT Phoenix is also pretty cool from Papago as well, I tried to get one with my phone as well but the lighting was pretty terrible and it looks grainy. My favorite view of DT PHX is still from South Mountain when you're around the Buena Vista parking lot near the top just need much better optical zoom than an old iPhone has haha.

https://i.imgur.com/pYIFeyZ.jpeg

[CA7]

I took one like that a couple months ago from Papago but I have no idea how to upload images on here so that's a slight problem

Yeah, if anyone took a real camera out there the view of DT Phoenix is also pretty cool from Papago as well, I tried to get one with my phone as well but the lighting was pretty terrible and it looks grainy. My favorite view of DT PHX is still from South Mountain when you're around the Buena Vista parking lot near the top just need much better optical zoom than an old iPhone has haha.

https://i.imgur.com/pYIFeyZ.jpeg

[muertecaza]

The Pier lumbers on:

https://i.imgur.com/vRJ4yCuh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DqHsP3Kh.jpg

I'm loving The Beam

https://i.imgur.com/dEbN1lth.jpg

Looks like they are moving dirt for the 100 Mill hotel

https://i.imgur.com/xtCarJjh.jpg

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/LbAXkL5.jpg

Carvana development on Priest and Rio Salado.

[TheSpud0]

Article about Culdesac Tempe

https://communityimpact.com/phoenix/tempe/development/2022/05/16/carless-community-to-open-first-phase-in-tempe-this-fall/

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/0IqrdSi.png

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/0V5kf7I.png

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/vzSzBRT.png

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/NrnUAsK.png

[combusean]

I notice a couple things:

- There must be an easement on the north portion of the lot which they're putting to pretty good use as surface parking for commercial. Good spot for retail there.

- Tempe just seems to be selling their service yard on that hard corner outright rather than going through a mind-numbingly stupid RFP process like Phoenix, and as a result is going to see a project that should deliver just fine and much faster than it otherwise could have.

[Mr.RE]

https://i.imgur.com/0IqrdSi.png

They did a good job with this design. I like the angled columns at the entry and the storefront glass up the front facade. High quality materials too by using larger window sizes than you typically see.

[azsunsurfer]

Interesting....I looked at Novus Place recent updated leasing brochure and it shows that half of the ground floor retail space of the 777 Tower is out for an LOI and that most of the spaces for the Piedmont have leases out for signatures. The interesting tidbit was that the retail spaces for the two tower development directly east of the piedmont are shown on the brochure as 'leased' but that project has not been announced yet. It seems that part of that block will be a hotel as it shows a hotel lobby near the 'leased' retail space. Interesting.....maybe some announcements soon for both the tenants coming to the space as well as the new project?

Also the space long vacant at the Brickyard on Mill will house an Eddie Chow concept called Matsuri. It use to be that Italian restaurant back in the day.

[ASU Diablo]

Crane is going up for the new apartments on Novus Parcel 3F (SWC of 6th St and Packard Dr - directly east of the Hyatt)

[muertecaza]

Interesting....I looked at Novus Place recent updated leasing brochure and it shows that half of the ground floor retail space of the 777 Tower is out for an LOI and that most of the spaces for the Piedmont have leases out for signatures. The interesting tidbit was that the retail spaces for the two tower development directly east of the piedmont are shown on the brochure as 'leased' but that project has not been announced yet. It seems that part of that block will be a hotel as it shows a hotel lobby near the 'leased' retail space. Interesting.....maybe some announcements soon for both the tenants coming to the space as well as the new project?

Also the space long vacant at the Brickyard on Mill will house an Eddie Chow concept called Matsuri. It use to be that Italian restaurant back in the day.

Thanks for the info. It seems like that area should be pretty favorable for retail if they can do it right.

[muertecaza]

DRC packets for:

Phase II of the Broadstone apartments at the Grande (Priest/Washington): https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96404&t=637884745727566946

250 Rio (Rio Salado/Ash): https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96390&t=637884023327065552

[Obadno]

Last Major Parcel in the ASU Research park is getting developed:

https://azbex.com/planning-development/viasat-announces-asu-research-park-expansion/

https://azbex.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Viasat-Rendering-1024x574.jpg

Arizona State University Research Park, Inc. announced Viasat Inc., a leading global communications company, is expanding its current footprint at the 324-acre ASU Research Park to accommodate the company’s future growth projections.

Viasat evaluated several major U.S. locations for expansion capabilities. The selection of ASU Research Park was driven primarily by the affordable cost and availability of technical talent, existing company strategic presence, and a favorable business climate.

With this step, planning is now underway to create a culturally aligned campus in proximity to Viasat’s existing ASU Research Park campus. In total, the expansion spans more than 16 acres, and is planned over several phases of development.

Phase 1, located south of ASU Research Park’s River Parkway and Viasat’s existing campus, sits on nearly 11.5 acres and will include a 135KSF building, an outdoor atrium, open space for events and employee recreation, and a parking structure. Current projections show a Phase 1 completion by June 2024.

Subsequent phases will largely be driven by the success of meeting Viasat’s hiring objectives but are expected to add three additional buildings totaling 260KSF, a conference area, a café, and another parking structure.

ASU Research Park currently has 50 corporate tenants that employ more than 6,000 people.

For Reference its this major central parcel: https://goo.gl/maps/ECjDz4PKFkH8P8fV9

[RichTempe]

DRC packets for:

Phase II of the Broadstone apartments at the Grande (Priest/Washington): https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96404&t=637884745727566946

250 Rio (Rio Salado/Ash): https://www.tempe.gov/home/showdocument?id=96390&t=637884023327065552

Gee, isn't Phase II of the Broadstone apartments right under the north runway's flight path? I'm sure the City of Phoenix will soon be rushing to show concern over how that would impact future residents there just like they are doing for the Coyote's development which is literally opposite of the Grande. :uhh:

[CrestedSaguaro]

Gee, isn't Phase II of the Broadstone apartments right under the north runway's flight path? I'm sure the City of Phoenix will soon be rushing to show concern over how that would impact future residents there just like they are doing for the Coyote's development which is literally opposite of the Grande. :uhh:

I'm so glad someone said it before I did. I was thinking the exact same thing when I read about phase 2. I compared the two sites yesterday and they are nearly identical in distances and positions under the flight paths (assuming both flight lines are parallel to the runways when approaching).

https://i.imgur.com/NkujnAT.png

[locolife]

I'm so glad someone said it before I did. I was thinking the exact same thing when I read about phase 2. I compared the two sites yesterday and they are nearly identical in distances and positions under the flight paths (assuming both flight lines are parallel to the runways when approaching).

https://i.imgur.com/NkujnAT.png

I'll be the first to admit knowing very little but runway obstacle distance but is .17 of a mile nearly identical for possible takeoff/landing problems? I'd assume so and it seems Sky Harbor quickly backed off some of their more egregious economic impact data points when challenged by the Yotes. Hopefully their plan will end up being a go after all.

[CrestedSaguaro]

I'll be the first to admit knowing very little but runway obstacle distance but is .17 of a mile nearly identical for possible takeoff/landing problems? I'd assume so and it seems Sky Harbor quickly backed off some of their more egregious economic impact data points when challenged by the Yotes. Hopefully their plan will end up being a go after all.

From what I have read, the average 737-800 (the most common plane in the US) has an average climb rate of about 1800 feet per minute fully loaded. So we're probably talking roughly about 30' of less height in that short of a distance for the Coyotes location...give or take.

The concern that PHX and airport officials tried bringing up was the noise being of concern for the residential component. But I don't think 30' is going to be much of a difference in jet noise.

[locolife]

From what I have read, the average 737-800 (the most common plane in the US) has an average climb rate of about 1800 feet per minute fully loaded. So we're probably talking roughly about 30' of less height in that short of a distance for the Coyotes location...give or take.

The concern that PHX and airport officials tried bringing up was the noise being of concern for the residential component. But I don't think 30' is going to be much of a difference in jet noise.

That's right, I've lived in a big Northeast city before right next to a raise highway with no noise reduction features like walls or quiet pavement, my apartment wall would shake when big trucks went by. For the most part I got used to it after a while but I'm also not a NIMBY that would buy in an area then go complain and try to change it later. If I buy or rent there I'd be willing to accept that I'm going to hear planes. To your point, it's no different then the countless other apartments all around the lake and downtown Tempe now.

[xymox]

From what I have read, the average 737-800 (the most common plane in the US) has an average climb rate of about 1800 feet per minute fully loaded. So we're probably talking roughly about 30' of less height in that short of a distance for the Coyotes location...give or take.

The concern that PHX and airport officials tried bringing up was the noise being of concern for the residential component. But I don't think 30' is going to be much of a difference in jet noise.

Are they concerned more about the 737-800 that fly out today - or the larger 777 and Airbus international flights they want to attract tomorrow with the new 'west terminal' that's planned?

[RichTempe]

Are they concerned more about the 737-800 that fly out today - or the larger 777 and Airbus international flights they want to attract tomorrow with the new 'west terminal' that's planned?

When I worked for BA and later flew on the 747's and 777's from London to Phoenix, they almost always used the north runway, which is the longest runway of the 3 at 11,490'. When it did use the longer of the 2 south runways, it was always for takeoff to the west, never to the east, so the Coyotes development still shouldn't impose any sort of an undue burden on aircraft being able to take off or land at PHX. I still maintain that it's more out of jealousy and spite that the City of Phoenix is doing this, rather than a genuine concern for residents under the flight path or safety. The building heights are all within what the FAA allows for that location, and I believe that the Coyotes have already reduced the maximum height proposed from 140' to 120' anyway.

[CrestedSaguaro]

When I worked for BA and later flew on the 747's and 777's from London to Phoenix

A little off topic on this. But since you mentioned it, I had thought that the 777's replaced the 747's? The past couple of weeks, they have been flying A350's into Phoenix. Did they already scrap flying 777's or are they flying both?

[xymox]

A little off topic on this. But since you mentioned it, I had thought that the 777's replaced the 747's? The past couple of weeks, they have been flying A350's into Phoenix. Did they already scrap flying 777's or are they flying both?

Pretty sure the AA flight to London is a 777. Wouldn't surprise me if BA used an A350. Not sure what Condor flies.

[Edifice]

Pretty sure the AA flight to London is a 777. Wouldn't surprise me if BA used an A350. Not sure what Condor flies.

We don’t fly often but my wife and I flew British Airways round trip to London about 3 weeks ago. We were on an A350 and the plane was quite comfortable even though we were in coach.

[Mr.RE]

Only four floors to go on the first tower of Pier 202. The next tower should shoot up to match fairly quickly thereafter. I drove by yesterday and the interior work looks non existent on the ground floor, not much framing or MEP work by the looks of it. Just an empty shell still.

[CA7]

Has anyone else had a chance to take the streetcar yet? I live by University and Mill and have taken it a couple times to places I used to go to when I lived by Rural and Apache last year, works pretty well for that purpose especially when it's getting unbearably hot to walk. Not too many people on there when I go but hopefully there will be more riders when people come back for the school year. Noticed a security guard falling asleep on duty while on it yesterday so that is a little concerning but other than that no complaints so far.

[CB1]

https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/tempe-city-council-oks-moving-forward-talks-coyotes-arena/75-c220241b-1d6b-46be-b45e-306cf157ba08?ref=nbcnewsapp

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/xUBGE1p.jpg

[phoenixwillrise]

Only four floors to go on the first tower of Pier 202. The next tower should shoot up to match fairly quickly thereafter. I drove by yesterday and the interior work looks non existent on the ground floor, not much framing or MEP work by the looks of it. Just an empty shell still.

They might redefine the work quickly for us. If the history of this shows us anything "fairly quickly" could be years. We can only hope.

[muertecaza]

Has anyone else had a chance to take the streetcar yet? I live by University and Mill and have taken it a couple times to places I used to go to when I lived by Rural and Apache last year, works pretty well for that purpose especially when it's getting unbearably hot to walk. Not too many people on there when I go but hopefully there will be more riders when people come back for the school year. Noticed a security guard falling asleep on duty while on it yesterday so that is a little concerning but other than that no complaints so far.

I've ridden it a couple times. The actual ride was great: quicker than walking, air conditioned, smooth. Like with you, there was basically no one on when I rode. My biggest concern is I'm not sure if it runs frequently enough to be that useful, at least for me. Twice I've waited for a car near Hayden Ferry, and ended up just walking, and got to where I was going before ever being passed by the street car. My other worry is that I'm not sure how useful running the cars north on Mill and south on Ash is going to be in practice. I usually am heading south from Rio Salado down Mill, and unless I'm going all the way to University, it doesn't make a lot of sense to take the street car all the way around over on Ash and then walk back to Mill.

I'm sure everyone's needs are not the same as mine. But I'm not likely to wait for it, so unless I catch it just at the right time headed north on Mill, I'll probably still walk a lot of the time.

[RichTempe]

A little off topic on this. But since you mentioned it, I had thought that the 777's replaced the 747's? The past couple of weeks, they have been flying A350's into Phoenix. Did they already scrap flying 777's or are they flying both?

Originally BA had a DC-10 that came from LGW to PHX and then to SAN and back again. Eventually it was replaced by the 747 and PHX had its own dedicated flight from
LHR. When BA retired their 747's, it was replaced by a 777 for awhile. Most recently the route is serviced by the newer A350, but that just started service earlier this year.

American's flight has always been a 777.

[muertecaza]

Omni:

https://i.imgur.com/FSYymbZh.jpg

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/bTn5p3t.jpg

Development on Smith and Rio Salado in front of the TMP.

[skiesthelimit]

I didn’t get a chance to snap a pic but driving by today and it looks like they’ve begun moving dirt for the 100 Mill hotel.

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/lGxLBfH.jpg

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/qbl41dY.jpg

[Mr.RE]

Drove by the site the other day and appeared they were ready to raise the tower crane with a few new sections on site.

[somethingfast]

i drove by this last week on the 202 and it truly does look massive (for Phoenix area). tall and big. somebody is doing something right on the fringes of Tempe !

[combusean]

Hopefully the coming slowdown of the economy doesn't affect the developer's tips at the restaurant he works at. It'd be a shame if this project were delayed further.

[somethingfast]

Hopefully the coming slowdown of the economy doesn't affect the developer's tips at the restaurant he works at. It'd be a shame if this project were delayed further.

lol nice !

[xymox]

Hopefully the coming slowdown of the economy doesn't affect the developer's tips at the restaurant he works at. It'd be a shame if this project were delayed further.

Hope it wasn't funded with some NFTs...

At this point - shouldn't we be seeing the facade of the building going up on the lower floors? Just seems like absolutely nothing other than more floors...very very slowly.

[YourBuddy]

Hope it wasn't funded with some NFTs...

At this point - shouldn't we be seeing the facade of the building going up on the lower floors? Just seems like absolutely nothing other than more floors...very very slowly.

I was taking my mom to the airport last week and I mentioned how slow this project has moved, and she thought I was talking about the low/mid rise apartments being built on the north side. Had to let her know this project has been going on for years.

[somethingfast]

my prediction is that this will stall due to funding. they clearly have a clunky funding source and with rates jumping the appetite for risk will drop. if it's not fully secured financing all bets are off.

[combusean]

I was under the impression this thing was self financed in someway. Didn’t they buy their own tower crane for example?

[plinko]

Tempe was looking amazing this morning at sunrise. I had my 80d as well so I will do a full thread, but here's a sneak peak:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52155963386_8aeea69692_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nsQWQ3)
Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2nsQWQ3) by Michael Stroh (https://www.flickr.com/photos/169751725@N05/), on Flickr

[muertecaza]

I was under the impression this thing was self financed in someway. Didn’t they buy their own tower crane for example?

I remember during the DRC/Council hearings they quoted a number like $25m of their own money. Not fully self-funded but significantly so. But that's my only data point.

Tempe was looking amazing this morning at sunrise. I had my 80d as well so I will do a full thread, but here's a sneak peak:

I'm in Tempe every day, but I came back into town Saturday after a week away and was still impressed. 100 Mill makes a big difference. Great picture and would love to see the thread.

[CB1]

https://i.imgur.com/Oiifsjy.jpg

100 Mill

[muertecaza]

The fence for Hilo (7th/Mill: https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=76307) was taken down. Not sure why. Tempe Development Map has shown Hilo in review for a building permit for about a year. My guess has been that they applied for a building permit before they were ready to actually build to preserve their entitlements, which stipulate that they have to apply for a building permit within 2 years of getting the entitlements, which was in August 2019. But that's just me reading the tea leaves. Not sure what taking down the fence means if anything.

[Mr.RE]

The fence for Hilo (7th/Mill: https://www.tempe.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=76307) was taken down. Not sure why. Tempe Development Map has shown Hilo in review for a building permit for about a year. My guess has been that they applied for a building permit before they were ready to actually build to preserve their entitlements, which stipulate that they have to apply for a building permit within 2 years of getting the entitlements, which was in August 2019. But that's just me reading the tea leaves. Not sure what taking down the fence means if anything.

That lot was used for construction equipment & material storage for the Westin Tempe. That could be the reason but just speculating.

[combusean]

^ I totally forgot about that one. The project's most likely dead.

[CA7]

Quick question, I noticed they're tearing down the building south of Mirabella and north of the ASU FAC/Art Museum, does anyone know if that plot is planned to be used for something else? I'm assuming its owned by ASU but I am also about to go into my last year at the school and still have no idea what that building was for. I want to say its between 9th and 10th on Mill, just curious if there's any plans for that area.

[combusean]

951 S Mill was part of the art school, as was the smaller building at 18 E 10th St. I know some of that stuff has moved to Downtown Phoenix.

Probably just going to be hotel parking for now.

[muertecaza]

Quick question, I noticed they're tearing down the building south of Mirabella and north of the ASU FAC/Art Museum, does anyone know if that plot is planned to be used for something else? I'm assuming its owned by ASU but I am also about to go into my last year at the school and still have no idea what that building was for. I want to say its between 9th and 10th on Mill, just curious if there's any plans for that area.

951 S Mill was part of the art school, as was the smaller building at 18 E 10th St. I know some of that stuff has moved to Downtown Phoenix.

Probably just going to be hotel parking for now.

Yeah, they are building a 1200-car parking structure there, for ASU and the hotel. See item #18, p. 16 here:

https://www.azregents.edu/sites/default/files/reports/2022-asu-capital_development_plan.pdf

[combusean]

The capital facilties report doesn't say anything about retail as a ground floor use which seems to be a kick in the teeth with a streetcar stop literally right there.

Kind of curious about the Wilson Hall replacement in the same report. Might be reasonably tall given that it's six times the size of the three-story building presently on the site.

[PHX31]

Quick question, I noticed they're tearing down the building south of Mirabella and north of the ASU FAC/Art Museum, does anyone know if that plot is planned to be used for something else? I'm assuming its owned by ASU but I am also about to go into my last year at the school and still have no idea what that building was for. I want to say its between 9th and 10th on Mill, just curious if there's any plans for that area.

Ahhh. Finally those buildings bite the dust. I have a bunch of memories of different buildings and business in and around ASU from when I started there as a freshman in 1997 that are basically wiped clean from history. The ones they are tearing down now used to include a mid-sized grocery store. My first night moving into the dorms (also demolished) my roommate and I went to that grocery store to stock up on essentials (probably ingredients for cheese crisps, candy, etc.) .. anyone remember the name of the store?

[CA7]

Ahhh. Finally those buildings bite the dust. I have a bunch of memories of different buildings and business in and around ASU from when I started there as a freshman in 1997 that are basically wiped clean from history. The ones they are tearing down now used to include a mid-sized grocery store. My first night moving into the dorms (also demolished) my roommate and I went to that grocery store to stock up on essentials (probably ingredients for cheese crisps, candy, etc.) .. anyone remember the name of the store?

So that's what was in those buildings, I started in 2019 at ASU and so many of my classes are across the street from there in FAC but I still have no clue what was in there, the grocery store must've been long gone by the time I got there :/ Also I agree that its weird that they are building a parking structure with zero retail right by the streetcar stop, seems counterproductive to me.

[ASU Diablo]

Sacks was pretty good too

[muertecaza]

Ahhh. Finally those buildings bite the dust. I have a bunch of memories of different buildings and business in and around ASU from when I started there as a freshman in 1997 that are basically wiped clean from history. The ones they are tearing down now used to include a mid-sized grocery store. My first night moving into the dorms (also demolished) my roommate and I went to that grocery store to stock up on essentials (probably ingredients for cheese crisps, candy, etc.) .. anyone remember the name of the store?

So that's what was in those buildings, I started in 2019 at ASU and so many of my classes are across the street from there in FAC but I still have no clue what was in there, the grocery store must've been long gone by the time I got there :/ Also I agree that its weird that they are building a parking structure with zero retail right by the streetcar stop, seems counterproductive to me.

Grocery store was a little before my time (I was there in the mid/late 2000s). I believe I had a Shakespeare class in that building though. My main memory is feeling bad for the professor who came back to work after losing her retirement in the recession.

[PHX31]

Grocery store was a little before my time (I was there in the mid/late 2000s). I believe I had a Shakespeare class in that building though. My main memory is feeling bad for the professor who came back to work after losing her retirement in the recession.

I'm pretty sure the grocery store was closed by about 2001 if not sooner. I also vaguely remember a record store or maybe a video store next to the grocery store.

[combusean]

The grocery store was Stabler's IGA.

https://www.facebook.com/TempeHistoryMuseum/posts/how-many-of-you-shopped-at-stablers-iga-in-tempe-center-on-mill-and-university-t/3806470032750373/

What else was there... Tower Records, a Radio Shack, Sack's deli, and a couple other things were at the place's peak in the 1990s. I think Sack's only moved because it was so popular amongst the faculty.

A shame ASU ended up buying it and killing that place off.

[exit2lef]

The grocery store was Stabler's IGA.

What else was there... Tower Records, a Radio Shack, Sack's deli, and a couple other things were at the place's peak in the 1990s. I think Sack's only moved because it was so popular amongst the faculty.

A shame ASU ended up buying it and killing that place off.

Stabler's IGA. Nothing special, but an easy walk for students living on campus.

[PHX31]

Stabler's IGA. Nothing special, but an easy walk for students living on campus.

Thank you Combusean!

Close to campus, but actually for my roommate and I we'd ride our bikes to the Safeway on Rural and Broadway via McCallister south to the railroad tracks to Mill instead of Stabler's. it was actually a bit closer.

[CA7]

I'm pretty sure the grocery store was closed by about 2001 if not sooner. I also vaguely remember a record store or maybe a video store next to the grocery store.

Upset I missed a record store being close to campus, but I guess all the new retail/apartment places along Mill and Apache are fun to have instead. Always find it interesting to learn about what was around campus before I got here.

[PHX31]

Upset I missed a record store being close to campus, but I guess all the new retail/apartment places along Mill and Apache are fun to have instead. Always find it interesting to learn about what was around campus before I got here.

There was also a record store in the basement of the MU. I doubt that's there any longer.

A lot of development has obviously changed the entire area. I remember thinking the exact same thing when I graduated ASU compared to when I started. Heavyweights like Bandersnatch, Long Wongs, Thirsty Beaver, Dos Gringos, etc. were all gone or soon to be gone once I graduated. And from then to now it's exponential change. I still wish I did a big photo tour of ASU when I graduated so I could have a "timestamp" of the area.

[muertecaza]

There was also a record store in the basement of the MU. I doubt that's there any longer.

A lot of development has obviously changed the entire area. I remember thinking the exact same thing when I graduated ASU compared to when I started. Heavyweights like Bandersnatch, Long Wongs, Thirsty Beaver, Dos Gringos, etc. were all gone or soon to be gone once I graduated. And from then to now it's exponential change. I still wish I did a big photo tour of ASU when I graduated so I could have a "timestamp" of the area.

Hoodlums! Spent a lot of time there. Closed around 2012 I think.

[combusean]

While we're reminiscing, I will miss until the end of time Coffee Plantation. Between the Biltmore location and Downtown Tempe, I've yet to go to a coffee shop that has a similar vibe in a similar area.

[CA7]

There was also a record store in the basement of the MU. I doubt that's there any longer.

A lot of development has obviously changed the entire area. I remember thinking the exact same thing when I graduated ASU compared to when I started. Heavyweights like Bandersnatch, Long Wongs, Thirsty Beaver, Dos Gringos, etc. were all gone or soon to be gone once I graduated. And from then to now it's exponential change. I still wish I did a big photo tour of ASU when I graduated so I could have a "timestamp" of the area.

I'm starting to get that feeling since I'll be gone in a year, there's so many projects popping up that I'm like wow that's cool can't wait for that completion and then remembering it'll finish after I graduate, especially the Novus Corridor I keep following the progress of it but then forgetting it won't even be close to done by the time I leave Tempe :/

[azsunsurfer]

The long term plan shows an "academic building" 4-5 stories with ground floor retail slated for the west side of the garage with a 5-6 story student housing development slated for the east side of the garage.