Tempe Development Thread

[Jjs5056]

The Chili's is included in the map of the 6 acres, so I'm assuming it will be demolished.

Given the large amount of land included, I'm nervous we are going to end up with a sprawled complex of multiple 2-story buildings. I'm hoping for at least the hotel to be 12-14 stories.

Additionally, as with the Phoenix campus, I hope there is a good mix of retail so the area is a continuation of both the campus and of downtown.

[PHX31]

(This may have been posted before) Here is the RFQ that ASU put out for The District, the 330-acre Athletic facilities development on the southback of the Tempe Town Lake (including Lot 59 and Karsten and Sun Devil Stadium). You can see a potential design of the renovated Sun Devil Stadium, as well as a general conceptual massing design.

http://www.asu.edu/purchasing/bids/pdfs/091301.pdf

[PHX31]

Found this on ASU's CFO site:
The University is offering six acres at the southeast corner of Mill Ave & University Drive to be developed as a hotel and conference center facility. (doc download)

Here is the Short List of the firms that submitted. I don't know anything about them, hopefully some of them have prior (good) experience developing something on this scale.

http://www.asu.edu/purchasing/bids/pdfs/091302_phase_I_short_list.pdf

[MegaBass]

The Chili's is included in the map of the 6 acres, so I'm assuming it will be demolished.

Given the large amount of land included, I'm nervous we are going to end up with a sprawled complex of multiple 2-story buildings. I'm hoping for at least the hotel to be 12-14 stories.

Additionally, as with the Phoenix campus, I hope there is a good mix of retail so the area is a continuation of both the campus and of downtown.

I just hope in some manner that Herberger schools don't get shorthanded as they were in the failed Arts & Business Gateway (http://www.concordeastridge.com/projects/project.php?id=51).

I also noticed Block 12 Development on Architekton's site (http://www.architekton.com/community/85/images/#2). Groundbreaking for that site is set for February.

Looks like Manzy will be in a new color when it re-opens next fall. Other campus sightings I noticed the Farmer Building, Engineering, Social Science and Stauffer Communication Arts were being worked on. Also Hayden Library (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5847893&highlight=hayden+library#post5847893) will undergo a series of renovations after ABOR approval.

[phxSUNSfan]

I just hope in some manner that Herberger schools don't get shorthanded as they were in the failed Arts & Business Gateway (http://www.concordeastridge.com/projects/project.php?id=51).

I also noticed Block 12 Development on Architekton's site (http://www.architekton.com/community/85/images/#2). Groundbreaking for that site is set for February.

Looks like Manzy will be in a new color when it re-opens next fall. Other campus sightings I noticed the Farmer Building, Engineering, Social Science and Stauffer Communication Arts were being worked on. Also Hayden Library (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=5847893&highlight=hayden+library#post5847893) will undergo a series of renovations after ABOR approval.

Where would that Arts & Business Gateway have been located? Interesting design but it looks like suck a huge structure.

[HooverDam]

Where would that Arts & Business Gateway have been located? Interesting design but it looks like suck a huge structure.

It was to be on the SE corner of University/Mill where the Chili's and surface parking lots are currently. It wasn't one building, but many, all done in a similar style.

Its too bad it didn't happen. Would've been nice to have seen what Will Bruder as architect and Tenyck as landscape architect could've done together on that scale.

[Arquitect]

It was to be on the SE corner of University/Mill where the Chili's and surface parking lots are currently. It wasn't one building, but many, all done in a similar style.

Its too bad it didn't happen. Would've been nice to have seen what Will Bruder as architect and Tenyck as landscape architect could've done together on that scale.

Although this is true, Bruder and Tenyck have a bunch of stuff together around the valley. The real loss of that project is that it also was being designed by Sir Norman Foster. But it is as good as dead. Its a shame, the models and the renderings looked amazing.

[Arquitect]

The Chili's is included in the map of the 6 acres, so I'm assuming it will be demolished.

Given the large amount of land included, I'm nervous we are going to end up with a sprawled complex of multiple 2-story buildings. I'm hoping for at least the hotel to be 12-14 stories.

Additionally, as with the Phoenix campus, I hope there is a good mix of retail so the area is a continuation of both the campus and of downtown.

From what I have heard, this is the highest grossing Chili's in the US. So I wouldn't be surprised if they worked out a deal to be able to keep a restaurant within the development, or if they tried to move somewhere close by. It really is a great location, and it is always packed with both ASU students and Tempe residents.

[MegaBass]

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/assets_c/2012/12/montispatiodrawing1-thumb-550x307.jpg

Architechtural rendering of Monti's new 2,000-square-foot patio (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2012/12/montis_new_patio_contest_tempe_restaurant.php#more).

[DevilsRider]

Took some photos on my bike ride today. They're all on my Flickr set, but I'm attaching some here too :cheers:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/sets/

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8352138812_ce2780b528.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8352138812/)
Hub 01.05.13 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8352138812/) by DevilsRider (http://www.flickr.com/people/84170755@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8191/8351064623_295b575fd6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8351064623/)
The District 01.05.13 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8351064623/) by DevilsRider (http://www.flickr.com/people/84170755@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8352/8351079009_1de15669d2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8351079009/)
Marriott 01.05.13 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8351079009/) by DevilsRider (http://www.flickr.com/people/84170755@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8515/8352136086_9d58483c7c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8352136086/)
ASU Business Building 01.05.13 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84170755@N04/8352136086/) by DevilsRider (http://www.flickr.com/people/84170755@N04/), on Flickr

[TempeSilverFox]

[QUOTE=DevilsRider;5961098]Took some photos on my bike ride today. They're all on my Flickr set, but I'm attaching some here too :cheers:]

Great pictures! Thank you for sharing. The Business Building sure is an interesting looking structure.

[Jjs5056]

Thanks for the pictures. The Hub is really taking shape as they have started on the facade; the renderings looked great, so I'm excited to see the finished product. While the Marriott isn't as glamorous or sexy, I'm also interested to see that one upon completion as it will be very visible and will give downtown a little boost in height.

Speaking of height, wish we knew more about either the Villas at SouthBank (high rise senior living) and/or the Namwest towers on Rural/202 on the north bank of Town Lake. All this infill and density is great, but it's time we get back to dreaming of Tempe getting its own skyline. :)

[PHXguyinOKC]

while in town a couple weeks ago i was surprised at how prominent the Hub and the Marriot are when viewing Tempe from I-10 and Baseline. it's very cool to see Tempe grow

[Jjs5056]

Yes, one of the best views of Tempe comes from heading west on the 10. I think W6 looks best from that angle... From other angles, those towers are awfully plain.

[Arquitect]

Thanks for the pictures. The Hub is really taking shape as they have started on the facade; the renderings looked great, so I'm excited to see the finished product. While the Marriott isn't as glamorous or sexy, I'm also interested to see that one upon completion as it will be very visible and will give downtown a little boost in height.

Speaking of height, wish we knew more about either the Villas at SouthBank (high rise senior living) and/or the Namwest towers on Rural/202 on the north bank of Town Lake. All this infill and density is great, but it's time we get back to dreaming of Tempe getting its own skyline. :)

I long for the day when the lake is lined by a beautiful skyline on both sides. I haven't heard much about either of those projects in a really long time, I hope they aren't back on hold.

[MegaBass]

McCord Hall Construction Time Lapse (http://youtu.be/0skIDfUDZTM)

[PHX31]

/\ Thanks for posting... that was really cool.

[AB Enterprises]

Anyone know whats going on with the "My Big Fat Greek Restaurant" bulding on mill ave? its been empty since the fire.. Also does Robert Fronske, At Fronske Associates Arch. own that space?

[MegaBass]

Anyone know whats going on with the "My Big Fat Greek Restaurant" bulding on mill ave? its been empty since the fire.. Also does Robert Fronske, At Fronske Associates Arch. own that space?

According to exit2lef:

I think the former Big Fat Greek location is going to be a second outlet of [El Hefe] that already exists in Old Town Scottsdale.

[MegaBass]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lqeCEEu3iqc/TKpFYFbYm2I/AAAAAAAABqo/mCVrjM0L53Y/s1600/Elkay+Refill+Station.jpg

I noticed this bottle filling station at the MU today (near the information desk). They're planning on installing a few more at Sun Devil Fitness Complex (formerly SRC) and the libraries (https://asunews.asu.edu/20120501_beelerwalkstalk).

[exit2lef]

I noticed this bottle filling station at the MU today (near the information desk). They're planning on installing a few more at Sun Devil Fitness Complex (formerly SRC) and the libraries (https://asunews.asu.edu/20120501_beelerwalkstalk).

Nice. I've often struggled to refill my Kleen Kanteen from water fountains or given up on that idea and bought bottled water. This seems like a good alternative. It would be great to see something similar at light rail stations.

[Arquitect]

Nice. I've often struggled to refill my Kleen Kanteen from water fountains or given up on that idea and bought bottled water. This seems like a good alternative. It would be great to see something similar at light rail stations.

That would be a fantastic idea. I often try unsuccessfully to fill my bottles at their drinking fountains, and end up with half filled bottles and wasting most of the water trying to get them filled.

[exit2lef]

I just submitted an idea to MyPlanPHX with links to the photo and article originally provided by MegaBass.

http://www.myplanphx.com/shaping-phoenix-s-future/water-bottle-refill-stations

[alexico]

while in town a couple weeks ago i was surprised at how prominent the Hub and the Marriot are when viewing Tempe from I-10 and Baseline. it's very cool to see Tempe grow


agreed, as a W6 resident, the concrete grey around the sides/top of the building makes it look blah. it doesnt look finished...i cannot put my finger on it. but yes I agree.

[ASUSunDevil]

Anyone know what's going on with the Newman Center? In November their Facebook page said they were hoping to open by Christmas. It looks like construction has come to a halt, hopefully they didn't run out of cash.

Really wish someone would do something with the old Barney's Boathouse right next door. Surprised the city of Tempe hasn't made the landowner knock down the remaining mess that's left of that place.

[Arquitect]

Anyone know what's going on with the Newman Center? In November their Facebook page said they were hoping to open by Christmas. It looks like construction has come to a halt, hopefully they didn't run out of cash.

Really wish someone would do something with the old Barney's Boathouse right next door. Surprised the city of Tempe hasn't made the landowner knock down the remaining mess that's left of that place.

Old Barney's is kind of in legal limbo. They started demolition without taking out any permits, so the city stopped them. Since then it was vandalized, and looks horrible. I also wish the city stepped in and tore down what is left. I much rather see an empty lot than a vandalized ruin.

[MegaBass]

Anyone know what's going on with the Newman Center? In November their Facebook page said they were hoping to open by Christmas. It looks like construction has come to a halt, hopefully they didn't run out of cash.

Appears that way. They posted a video (http://animoto.com/play/R6eHeK5SYfI5I4QSuG4YLQ) yesterday. Odd music choice for the video...

[Arquitect]

I found this project, not sure if it actually is getting built, but it was designed by the design architect for a multifamily project going up in Arcadia.

It looks like it is located on the corner of McAllister and University. The building that is there (and which the design proposes to keep) is currently used by the construction management school. They will be moving to Block 12 once that is completed. So this either could be what would happen to that building once they move out, or what could have happened if block 12 hadn't. I'm really hoping is the former, since it is kind of a cool project, and it would look cool right on University.

http://vimeo.com/23562444#

Edit: Never mind, the project is called DWSC, which stands for Del Web School of Construction. Well, it could have been cool.

[MegaBass]

I found this project, not sure if it actually is getting built, but it was designed by the design architect for a multifamily project going up in Arcadia.

It looks like it is located on the corner of McAllister and University. The building that is there (and which the design proposes to keep) is currently used by the construction management school. They will be moving to Block 12 once that is completed. So this either could be what would happen to that building once they move out, or what could have happened if block 12 hadn't. I'm really hoping is the former, since it is kind of a cool project, and it would look cool right on University.

http://vimeo.com/23562444#

Edit: Never mind, the project is called DWSC, which stands for Del Web School of Construction. Well, it could have been cool.

Hmm I guess that was ISTB VI that someone mentioned earlier. Check out the second to last slide on 5 Year Research Space Plan (https://asuresearch.asu.edu/facilities/sites/default/files/Five%20Year%20Research%20Space%20Plan%20for%20website%20%282%29.pdf) that I found on ASU Research site (https://asuresearch.asu.edu/facilities/space-planning). I'd be bummed if they get rid of Armstrong Hall once law moves downtown. One of my favorite buildings on campus plus namesake of the politician that made the institution in Tempe possible.

[MegaBass]

University Center sold to ASU (http://www.statepress.com/2013/01/11/university-center-sold-to-asu/)

ASU has purchased the University Center on East University Drive, across from the Tempe campus and next to the Sun Devil Sports Performance complex, according to the Phoenix Business Journal.

The three-building office space was purchased by the University from the insurance firm Travelers Companies’ Inc. for just a little more than $23.5 million, according to the article.

Before the purchase could be finalized, Arizona Board of Regents needed to approve the acquisition, which they did in December, because the sale was for more than $500,000, the Business Journal reported.

According to the ABOR meeting agenda from Dec. 6 and 7, ASU has leased office space in the center since 2000 but the University plans on using the newly acquired space to accomodate for increase enrollment and research opportunities by 2020.

Existing leases by tenants in the University Center will begin to expire during the next decade, making ASU’s goals for expansion a long-term event, according to the agenda.

The purchase will save the University nearly $600,000 in annual rent fees, according to the article.

[Jjs5056]

Per Apache Redevelopment's Facebook, a Walmart Express might be coming to Vista del Sol. It's described as a convenience store version of Walmart- is it on par with the size of something like Fresh and Easy?

If so, a few questions/comments:

1) I'd rather this be closer to downtown and a better quality store to appeal to a more affluent demo; obviously, Walmart works for college kids, but I'd like to see an F&E/Trader Joe's/Whole Foods (he'll, even a Fry's!) instead as downtown Tempe tries to get young professionals in its resident mix.
2) Does having a Walmart Express so close to downtown pretty much kill the chance of another, full-service grocery going downtown in the future? If not, ignore #1: it's great to have options, and the Vista location is very smart with the influx of residential going up from Mill to McClintock. I would just hate if this is it for us in terms of groceries.

Otherwise, if this is something similar in size in service to the ASU markets or an Oakville, for instance, than I guess we are still on the hunt for a "real" grocery store with produce, basic home goods, etc.

[MegaBass]

Per Apache Redevelopment's Facebook, a Walmart Express might be coming to Vista del Sol. It's described as a convenience store version of Walmart- is it on par with the size of something like Fresh and Easy?

If so, a few questions/comments:

1) I'd rather this be closer to downtown and a better quality store to appeal to a more affluent demo; obviously, Walmart works for college kids, but I'd like to see an F&E/Trader Joe's/Whole Foods (he'll, even a Fry's!) instead as downtown Tempe tries to get young professionals in its resident mix.
2) Does having a Walmart Express so close to downtown pretty much kill the chance of another, full-service grocery going downtown in the future? If not, ignore #1: it's great to have options, and the Vista location is very smart with the influx of residential going up from Mill to McClintock. I would just hate if this is it for us in terms of groceries.

Otherwise, if this is something similar in size in service to the ASU markets or an Oakville, for instance, than I guess we are still on the hunt for a "real" grocery store with produce, basic home goods, etc.

Per USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/10/10/walmart-small-stores/1624485/):

Express stores are less than one-tenth the size of Wal-Mart supercenters and offer groceries, general merchandise like tools, and pharmacies.

I'm assuming this is going to fill in the vacant apparel spot in VDS? If so I think it's good considering that most of the residential halls are by there. To me I don't think this could detract a full-service grocery store.

[DaveInTHX]

... I'd like to see a second market, the same size space that Walmart is thinking, open up closer to downtown Tempe. Maybe a Fry's Express... or a Safeway Express (if there is such a thing). The Fry's Express would definitely be a new gamble for the brand. But if they did it right they might have something.. good produce and specialty meet convenience and necessity. Think Tempe Farmers Market meets Target.. in 3/4 the size of a Fresh n' Easy. Where to put it, though? Without messing too much with Tempe Farmers and the new Walmart?

[azsunsurfer]

I know I may be vilified for saying this, but I almost wished the Walmart was actually a neighborhood store as opposed to an express. I understand why they need an express store for that area, yet I have a neighborhood store near where I live and it is usually clean, organized and friendly unlike the circus that is a supercenter. Too bad their Marketside concept failed (it was designed to compete with Fresh & Easy). Yet it was too expensive of a "convenience store."

[Arquitect]

An addition to the shopping complex on Warner:

Bowling, billiards, laser tag, rock climbing, gravity ropes, arcade games and glow-in-the-dark golf soon will join the mix at Tempe’s home-furnishing hub near Warner Road and Interstate 10.
Main Event Entertainment of Plano, Texas, recently handed over $2.05M ($320K/acre) for a 6.4-acre site adjacent to Ikea in the Emerald Center, where it plans to erect its first entertainment venue outside the Lone Star state. Lee & Associates Inc. represented the seller, First National Bank, Hutchinson, Kan.
Main Event has 12 locations in Texas.
Blueprints, which were approved by the city of Tempe last June, call for a 57K SF freestanding facility with more than 400 parking spaces. The project is being designed by Hunter Engineering. Construction is slated to commence sometime during the second quarter with an estimated cost of $8M to $9M.
It will cater to corporate events and team building, which is why the company chose that location.

http://azbex.com/tempe-indoor-entertainment-center-planned-near-ikea/

[Arquitect]

Just saw on SMOCA's facebook page that they are going to help this small museum in Tempe. I didn't even know it existed, but I think it is kinda cool to have a museum in someone's backyard. I hope it is succesful, it would be awesome to have more museums in the downtown/ASU area.

http://tmoca.tumblr.com/

[Jjs5056]

I can't wait to drive down Apache in a year or so and see the amazing transformation from Mill down to McClintock with The Villas at Vista, Vista del Sol, Barrett Honors, Vue, District, Grove, Gracie's and Grigio.

As this corridor continues to attract more and more residential development, I was wondering what your thoughts were on trying to bring more uses; some of these have retail components (though largely unoccupied- hopefully, places like the Grigio will fill up once additional residents are brought to the area as that is highly visible space so I'm surprised that it's remained that way for so long), but for the most part, Apache has been redeveloped solely through residential projects. Is that because of the economy and demand currently for rentals, or a part of Apache's identity?

Do you think the Apache corridor should have more diversity, and attract retail, office, hotel, etc. to the mix and become its own district/neighborhood? Or, shoud it focus on being an urban residential district that feeds into our downtown via transit? I don't think there is one right answer, but I was interested in hearing opinions of more educated folks.

I think that, even if the focus continues to be bringing residential projects along the corridor, the city and developers need to focus on a few things to ensure we take full advantage of its potential.

1) Retail - regardless of whether we think Apache needs projects with space for department stores, smaller stores like Target or clothing stores, etc., I do think that future residential projects need to incorporate at least some retail components in order to make the corridor as sustainable as possible and promote walking, and so on. Additionally, I think sidewalk cafes and the like would go a long way in creating an active streetscape and brigning life to the corridor and promoting east-west/west-east movement and exploration.
2) Streetscaping/landscaping - none of the above will be successful if people have to walk from McClintock to Rural in 125 degree weather, unless the city and developers get serious and innovative with shade and landscaping. From an aesthetic standpoint, the corridor is already overpowered by large amounts of gray in the exteriors of most buildings, so it could really use a little life and color in the landscaping at least. From a functionality standpoint, there's no question- shade is a must in order for this corridor to work as a dense TOD neighborhood.
3) Market rate living - While student housing is important, in demand and inevitable given the proximity to ASU, Apache and Tempe in general need to start developing some rentals that cater toward a slightly older and more affluent resident who has disposable income that can help boost the local economy; a corridor of low-income housing for seniors, the deaf and students will not be making a vibrant scene, nor will it allow for any retail to be successful.
4) Public spaces - With this influx of residents, the city needs to start thinking about providing some amenities that are typical of neighborhoods, in my opinion. Sure, depending on where the project falls on the Blvd, it is already part of a neighborhood that likely has parks and green space, but the corridor really has an identity of its own. While we may end up deciding it should be a 'feeder' in to downtown, some amenities nearby wouldn't cannabilize Mill, but would make Apache more appealing. There are still so many empty lots that make the street seem just as seedy once was. If any of these are city-owned, I'd love to see the create a small public park for all of these residents to enjoy. Doing so would also bring some traffic from non-residents, as currently, there isn't much reason to walk own there isn't much of a reason to venture down that way. Maybe a dog park or something similar that brings greenery and community together.

Anyway, yet another long post has come to conclusion. As the economy has picked back up, it has been obvious that Apache is getting much of the attention when it comes to development in Tempe. While we'd all love to see luxury condo towers near Mill, for now, it looks like we'll have to settle for some market-rate midrises along the Apache corridor. If that's the case, I think it's important to discuss what the 'right' course is for development, since the corridor is essentially starting from scratch. Let's hope they do it right and that whichever path they choose, Apache complements and co-exists with Mill/downtown, rather than take away.

[exit2lef]

I can't wait to drive down Apache in a year or so and see the amazing transformation from Mill down to McClintock with The Villas at Vista, Vista del Sol, Barrett Honors, Vue, District, Grove, Gracie's and Grigio.

As this corridor continues to attract more and more residential development, I was wondering what your thoughts were on trying to bring more uses; some of these have retail components (though largely unoccupied- hopefully, places like the Grigio will fill up once additional residents are brought to the area as that is highly visible space so I'm surprised that it's remained that way for so long), but for the most part, Apache has been redeveloped solely through residential projects. Is that because of the economy and demand currently for rentals, or a part of Apache's identity?

Do you think the Apache corridor should have more diversity, and attract retail, office, hotel, etc. to the mix and become its own district/neighborhood? Or, shoud it focus on being an urban residential district that feeds into our downtown via transit? I don't think there is one right answer, but I was interested in hearing opinions of more educated folks.

I think that, even if the focus continues to be bringing residential projects along the corridor, the city and developers need to focus on a few things to ensure we take full advantage of its potential.

1) Retail - regardless of whether we think Apache needs projects with space for department stores, smaller stores like Target or clothing stores, etc., I do think that future residential projects need to incorporate at least some retail components in order to make the corridor as sustainable as possible and promote walking, and so on. Additionally, I think sidewalk cafes and the like would go a long way in creating an active streetscape and brigning life to the corridor and promoting east-west/west-east movement and exploration.
2) Streetscaping/landscaping - none of the above will be successful if people have to walk from McClintock to Rural in 125 degree weather, unless the city and developers get serious and innovative with shade and landscaping. From an aesthetic standpoint, the corridor is already overpowered by large amounts of gray in the exteriors of most buildings, so it could really use a little life and color in the landscaping at least. From a functionality standpoint, there's no question- shade is a must in order for this corridor to work as a dense TOD neighborhood.
3) Market rate living - While student housing is important, in demand and inevitable given the proximity to ASU, Apache and Tempe in general need to start developing some rentals that cater toward a slightly older and more affluent resident who has disposable income that can help boost the local economy; a corridor of low-income housing for seniors, the deaf and students will not be making a vibrant scene, nor will it allow for any retail to be successful.
4) Public spaces - With this influx of residents, the city needs to start thinking about providing some amenities that are typical of neighborhoods, in my opinion. Sure, depending on where the project falls on the Blvd, it is already part of a neighborhood that likely has parks and green space, but the corridor really has an identity of its own. While we may end up deciding it should be a 'feeder' in to downtown, some amenities nearby wouldn't cannabilize Mill, but would make Apache more appealing. There are still so many empty lots that make the street seem just as seedy once was. If any of these are city-owned, I'd love to see the create a small public park for all of these residents to enjoy. Doing so would also bring some traffic from non-residents, as currently, there isn't much reason to walk own there isn't much of a reason to venture down that way. Maybe a dog park or something similar that brings greenery and community together.

Anyway, yet another long post has come to conclusion. As the economy has picked back up, it has been obvious that Apache is getting much of the attention when it comes to development in Tempe. While we'd all love to see luxury condo towers near Mill, for now, it looks like we'll have to settle for some market-rate midrises along the Apache corridor. If that's the case, I think it's important to discuss what the 'right' course is for development, since the corridor is essentially starting from scratch. Let's hope they do it right and that whichever path they choose, Apache complements and co-exists with Mill/downtown, rather than take away.

I'm generally pleased with what is happening on Apache. A few thoughts:

-- The vacant ground floor retail space frustrates me, just as it does with buildings in Central Phoenix. Ground floor retail always sounds good in theory, but it takes a critical mass of density to make it work. Some residents of apartment buildings will support the shops below them; others prefer to go elsewhere. When you have enough buildings and people living in them, there's sufficient crossover traffic among the residents of various buildings to make neighborhood retail work, but it's hard to get the ball rolling.
-- Apache already has a lot of restaurants and more keep coming. There's a new Italian place opening at the NWC of Dorsey & Apache. I'm amazed, however, that it does not seem to have a single dry cleaning store. Students who can afford to live in places like 922 Place (fka the Vue) probably don't wash and iron every last garment themselves. Likewise, Apache doesn't have a single drugstore until just after it crosses over into Mesa, where there's a Walgreen's at Dobson & Main.
-- The bike lanes and parallel parking help make Apache a more pleasant street. There are some stretches, however, where long block lengths make it a difficult environment for pedestrians. If a pedestrian has to walk a quarter mile out of the way to cross the street legally and safely, it's not really a walkable environment. Tempe might want to consider some pedestrian-activated signals between existing intersections.
-- And, yes, more shaded is needed. Building multi-story buildings right up against the street helps a great deal, but on blocks with set back buildings or vacant lots, more trees would help right now even while we wait for more urban development to occur.

[Vicelord John]

did we talk about this already? what is the zoning hearing sign for at the SEC of Priest and Washington?

[DevilsRider]

did we talk about this already? what is the zoning hearing sign for at the SEC of Priest and Washington?

Rezoning to MU-4 PAD for this:

http://www.thegrandatpapagoparkcenter.com/aboutPPC.html

This is a public hearing notice for THE GRAND AT PAPAGO PARK CENTER for a Zoning Map Amendment and an Amended Planned Area Development (PAD) Overlay. The Zoning Map Amendment proposes to rezone the site from General Industrial District (GID) PAD to Mixed-Use, High Density District (MU-4) PAD. The Amended PAD Overlay proposes to establish site specific development standards for the project. The development proposal includes 11 office buildings ranging in height from three to 10-stories, 2 hotels ranging in height from 6 to 7-stories and providing up to a combined total of 600 guest rooms, limited conference space, multi-family residential buildings providing up to a combined total of 850 dwelling units, 3 one-story retail/restaurant buildings, 1 one-story restaurant building, and seven parking structures with above and below grade parking levels and parking courtyards containing over 10,000 parking spaces. The proposal has a total gross floor building area of approximately 3,187,000 square feet and a total structured parking floor area of approximately 2,858,400 square feet. The site is approximately 67.38 acres in size and is located at 1151 West Washington Street, Tempe, Arizona.

Neighborhood Meeting: December 6, 2012 @ 6:00pm (Rolling Hills Golf Course – Caddy Shack Sports Grill, 1415 North Mill Avenue, Tempe, AZ 85281)

Development Review Commission Hearing: 1/08/13 @ 6:00pm
City Council Hearing (Intro/1st Hearing): 1/24/13 @ 7:30pm
City Council Hearing (2nd Hearing): 2/7/13 @7:30pm
Case Number: PL120232

Applicant: Mitchell Rosen, Papago Park Center, Inc. (602) 236-3647

[exit2lef]

The SEC of Priest & Washington is where the Cardinals Football stadium was going to be. It'll be interesting to see if there are any FAA issues raised about the proposed 10-story building.

[Vicelord John]

pie-in-the-sky

[ciweiss]

Interesting video

Tempe's general plan 2040

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Le1sZj-z_Y

[ciweiss]

Another interesting video showing the Rio Salado Streetcar route. Would be cool if this were to happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWKFy70mbhg&list=UU1buzbkjuy215CTejeVX6oQ&index=56

and Mill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eUrxvV2bfI&list=UU1buzbkjuy215CTejeVX6oQ&index=55

[phxSUNSfan]

Anyone know what's going on with the Newman Center? In November their Facebook page said they were hoping to open by Christmas. It looks like construction has come to a halt, hopefully they didn't run out of cash.

Really wish someone would do something with the old Barney's Boathouse right next door. Surprised the city of Tempe hasn't made the landowner knock down the remaining mess that's left of that place.

I had a couple of meetings in Tempe and noticed that the construction for the Newman Center recently began in earnest once again. There were workers completing interior spaces and exterior materials being delivered today.

[MegaBass]

ASU to break ground on Block 12 on Jan. 24 (https://asunews.asu.edu/20130116_Block12_groundbreaking)

Arizona State University and the surrounding community are invited to the groundbreaking of Block 12 – College Avenue Commons, the future space of the Del E. Webb School of Construction and other university resources.

Taking place at 3:30 p.m., Jan. 24, on 7th St. and College Ave. in Tempe, the event will feature building displays, food and a brief presentation from ASU President Michael Crow about the intentions for the space. Parking is available in the Fulton Center Parking Garage.

The building is part of a longstanding partnership between ASU and the City of Tempe to expand the Tempe campus in order to fulfill the growing need for educational space.

“We are very excited for this collaboration with the City of Tempe. We hope this project will set in motion the future extension of Cady Mall,” said Ed Soltero, assistant vice president, university architect, in the Office of the University Architect.

Aside from classroom and administrative space, Block 12 will house a Grab and Go market, café, bookstore component, study space and the Experience ASU tour group.

“The teaching space and auditorium will be the first glimpse that prospective students and parents have of ASU, so we want it to reflect a very urban, innovative and sustainable design,” said Soltero.

The development of College Avenue between 6th and 7th streets into a flexible urban space to support special events also will feature sustainability initiatives.

Keeping in mind the hot Arizona summers, Soltero assures there will also be plenty of shaded areas for students to socialize and study. Future plans include retail space and a roof deck. The project is set to be completed by July 2014.

Block 12 joins a list of acquired educational space by ASU. The university recently purchased the University Center in Tempe and the Centerpoint Office Building to accommodate research and administrative needs.

I noticed 2014-2016 Capital Improvement Plan (http://asu.edu/fm/documents/cip_latest.pdf) listed Hayden Library renovations:

Hayden Library Repurpose and Renovations Phase 1 (2014) will create a new main entrance pavilion, enclose the existing “moat” that surrounds the building to capture both above ground and below ground usable space, and install required infrastructure
to support the master plan repurpose for existing and additional space.

Hayden Library Repurpose and Renovation Phase 2 (2015-2016) will continue the comprehensive renovation of this heavily used facility. Lower levels will be renovated to house student success programs, and create core areas for quiet study, library staff and research collections. Upper levels will be renovated to provide exhibit and event spaces, destination reading rooms, and easily accessible facilities for archives and special collections.

[Arquitect]

ASU to break ground on Block 12 on Jan. 24 (https://asunews.asu.edu/20130116_Block12_groundbreaking)


I did see today that they demolished the old design annex and started prepping the site. The Hub is moving along pretty quick too. College ave. is starting to really shape up.

[MegaBass]

Tempe land sale to create opportunities at key intersection (http://www.tempe.gov/index.aspx?recordid=994&page=31)

The Tempe City Council will hold the first public hearing Thursday on an agreement for development of 106 acres of city land west of Tempe Town Lake by a national company that may create as many as 6,500 jobs over the next decade.

Under the agreement, Liberty Property Trust will pay Tempe about $11.9 million to buy city-owned parcels at the intersection of Priest Drive and Rio Salado Parkway. The full project is expected to be completed in phases over a nine- to 12-year period, with construction expected to begin in the first half of 2013.

Liberty was selected from among several companies that responded to a city Request for Qualifications (RFQ) issued in February 2012.

Revenue from the arrangement could help Tempe pay for the replacement of the western dam at Tempe Town Lake, as well as for improvements at parks and other locations throughout the city. The City Council has selected a steel hinged gate to replace the existing rubber bladders on the lake’s western end; the work must be completed by December 2015.

Mayor Mark Mitchell said the deal provides clear opportunities for everyone involved and Tempe residents will ultimately benefit from the increased revenue to the city and the ability to improve community assets.

“This location is a key gateway into Tempe and we know that Liberty will make it a thriving hub for business and employment,” Mitchell said. “Now more than ever, job creation is a top priority, and developments like these will get us to an ever better place as a community.”

Pennsylvania-based Liberty has major developments in the Valley and throughout the country. Tenants in their existing buildings include office, technology, financial services and light manufacturing uses. It owns Cotton Center, at 48th Street and Broadway Road, among others.

The development agreement deals with the northwest, northeast and southeast corners of the Priest Drive and Rio Salado Parkway intersection. Liberty will purchase specific parcels over the life of the agreement. During the term of the agreement, Tempe may decide to relocate its existing Public Works yard on the northeast corner to another location and allow Liberty to also develop that parcel.

The first public hearing on the agreement will take place Thursday at the Council’s 7:30 p.m. Formal Meeting. The City Council will vote on the transaction after a second public hearing at its Feb. 7 Formal Meeting. Both meetings will be in the City Council Chambers at 31 E. Fifth Street. Meeting agendas are available at www.tempe.gov/clerk.

[MegaBass]

ASU breaks ground for a new building (http://www.statepress.com/2013/01/24/asu-breaks-ground-for-a-new-building/)

ASU President Michael Crow, city officials and University department heads broke ground Thursday afternoon on the new College Avenue Commons at the Tempe campus.

The project will be approximately 137,000 square feet and will be constructed on the corner of College Avenue and Seventh Street.

The five-story facility will house six different operations, including the Del E. Webb School of Construction, the School of Sustainable Engineering and the Built Environment and the Office of Global Outreach and Extended Education.

Crow said the project embodied how ASU operates: with purpose, with an objective and by making things happen.

“This project has been long and coming,” Crow said. “We said it would get done, and it’s going to get done.”

The College Avenue Commons will be the first structure constructed as part of Block 12, an entire block focused on building new edifices to produce more activity on the northern side of the campus.

Tempe Mayor Mark Mitchell said the groundbreaking marked the first step of many in the city’s partnership with ASU for the redevelopment of the area surrounding Sun Devil Stadium.

“The city of Tempe does value very much the relationship with Arizona State University, and we’re excited to welcome Block 12 to the downtown area,” Mitchell said.

Ray Jensen, University Business Services associate vice president, said the University needs more retail space to support the size of the Tempe campus.

“The location is part of a larger initiative that we have to revitalize College Avenue and make it a destination location for students and also the community,” he said.

The city of Tempe has collaborated with ASU in making the Commons a mixed-use building.

The first and second levels will be for commercial use and the upper levels will be for higher education purposes.

The second floor will have a 2,300-square-foot community room that can be used for both community activities and school purposes.

Included in the building will be the ASU Campus Visit Experience and Visitors’ Center containing a 200-seat auditorium for prospective students. Campus tours will originate here.

The structure will house a two-story retail facility known as the Sun Devil Marketplace, including a bookstore with ASU merchandise, a technology store and food. A coffee and wine bar that could be used for book signings and book retail purposes is planned for the second floor.

Ed Soltero, the assistant vice president of the Office of the University Architect, said the project will integrate many sustainability initiatives and will receive a Leadership and Energy in Environmental Design gold certification.

“We’ve incorporated portable water reduction strategies, recycled content and renewal materials and the use of less embodied energy,” Soltero said.

The building will also have a secondary skin to help reduce the heat from the sun and create shade to reduce urban heat island effects, Soltero said.

The $54.5 million building is being funded by ASU with the help of contributions from companies and individuals. The structure is expected to be completed by summer 2014.

[Jjs5056]

Tempe land sale to create opportunities at key intersection (http://www.tempe.gov/index.aspx?recordid=994&page=31)

This was the project I had mentioned a while back. Same developers as Cotton Center; I've seen the designs and it is very similar. Multiple low rise commercial buildings that didn't seem to address either the lake or Rio Salado, which is an unfortunate missed opportunity to bring vitality to thec area with the TCA and mixed use live/work units under construction that have retail facing Rio.

[azsunsurfer]

Anyone know anything about "Apache Villas"? --not to be confused with "Villas on Apache". Its on the Development Review agenda for next month. There's a red zoning sign on the property. From what I can tell it includes that ghetto as hell mexican place on Apache as you get to the 101.

[exit2lef]

Anyone know anything about "Apache Villas"? --not to be confused with "Villas on Apache". Its on the Development Review agenda for next month. There's a red zoning sign on the property. From what I can tell it includes that ghetto as hell mexican place on Apache as you get to the 101.

I saw that sign the other day after eating lunch at that "ghetto as hell mexican place." Guerrero's is a great little restaurant. I love their gorditas. I hope it's not consumed by the project. I'll ask the couple who run the place next time I'm there for lunch.

[MegaBass]

Tempe Gateway office building sold for $66 million (http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2013/01/16/downtown-tempe-office-building-sold.html?r=full)

The nearly 264,000-square-foot Tempe Gateway office building located in the heart of the city’s Mill Avenue District has been sold to a publicly-traded real estate investment trust in Florida for a whopping $66.1 million, according to statement Wednesday from CBRE Inc. in Phoenix.
For the seller ­— an entity controlled by Microsoft co-founder and Seattle Seahawks owner Paul Allen’s Vulcan Inc. — that’s a $31.1 million-return on its initial investment from when it purchased the property out of foreclosure in June 2010.
For the buyer — Orlando-based Parkway Properties Inc. (NYSE: PKY) — the deal enables it to control more than half, or almost 788,000 square feet, of all Class A office space within the downtown Tempe submarket, the statement said. Parkway now owns more than 1.18 million square feet across the Phoenix area.
The transaction came to the table when Parkway made an unsolicited offer to buy the Class A office building, located along Mill Avenue near 3rd Street and next to the US Airways headquarters, the statement said.
Tempe Gateway was developed in 2009 by Opus West Corp., which lost the asset to foreclosure later that year after the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
The building, however, was still in shell condition and thus empty when the Vulcan entity acquired it at auction the following year. Today, the building is 74 percent occupied, the statement said.
“Parkway has experienced exceptional leasing success at its two other Tempe properties, Hayden Ferry Lakeside I and II,” Jim Fijan, a broker with CBRE who represented Parkway, said in the statement. “With no new product immediately available and strong demand for class A space in downtown Tempe, Tempe Gateway provides Parkway with additional leasing opportunities in the area and a significant share of the market.”

[exit2lef]

I had lunch at Guerrero's today and asked the owners, Victor and Norma, about the proposed Apache Villas development. They confirmed that the project, which will involve senior housing and an office building, will result in the demolition of their restaurant. That's the bad news.

The good news is that rather than being forced out of business by poor sales or outrageous rent, the couple are closing the restaurant on their own terms. They've been operating continuously at the same location for 31 years, and they're ready to retire. Since they own the land, the developer's offer to purchase it comes just at the right time to help finance their retirement.

Assuming nothing goes wrong with the deal, they'll close the restaurant at the end of July. That leaves six months to enjoy their food. Also, while eating lunch, I spoke to another customer who used to work for Maricopa County Environmental Services doing restaurant inspections. He said that Guerrero's always scored high and that's one reason why he eats there.

If approved, the Apache Villas project will involve not only the Guerrero's land, but also the vacant lot immediately to the west and the Breezy Palm, a shuttered motor hotel immediately to the east.

[Arquitect]

I had lunch at Guerrero's today and asked the owners, Victor and Norma, about the proposed Apache Villas development. They confirmed that the project, which will involve senior housing and an office building, will result in the demolition of their restaurant. That's the bad news.

The good news is that rather than being forced out of business by poor sales or outrageous rent, the couple are closing the restaurant on their own terms. They've been operating continuously at the same location for 31 years, and they're ready to retire. Since they own the land, the developer's offer to purchase it comes just at the right time to help finance their retirement.

Assuming nothing goes wrong with the deal, they'll close the restaurant at the end of July. That leaves six months to enjoy their food. Also, while eating lunch, I spoke to another customer who used to work for Maricopa County Environmental Services doing restaurant inspections. He said that Guerrero's always scored high and that's one reason why he eats there.

If approved, the Apache Villas project will involve not only the Guerrero's land, but also the vacant lot immediately to the west and the Breezy Palm, a shuttered motor hotel immediately to the east.

Sad to see the place go. It is really good food. But it is great to see Apache continue to go vertical. Especialy with diverse housing options.

Btw. I saw that they took down the big red sign for the lot across the street from district on apache and next to the building formerly known as the view. Does anyone know if it is because it passed through the city or if it was scrapped?

[ASUSunDevil]

Sad to see the place go. It is really good food. But it is great to see Apache continue to go vertical. Especialy with diverse housing options.

Btw. I saw that they took down the big red sign for the lot across the street from district on apache and next to the building formerly known as the view. Does anyone know if it is because it passed through the city or if it was scrapped?

Hopefully the location was scrapped and they decided to put it next to W6 where it belongs.

[Spitfiredude]

Recently I've seen work restart on Milk and Honey (the convenience store below W6). So, I asked the plumbing contractor what was up with it and when it would be finished. He told me although he doesn't know when it will be completed that his work on the project would be finished in 3 weeks and that they also have multiple other specialties working on the project as well. So he assumed by March. As to what it would have in the market he said he doesn't know exactly but know there will be many coolers and shelves inside (he's installing the pipework for the coolers). I remember talking to a leasing agent and he told me that it would have some fresh foods, but mostly typical convenience store food. Oh and alcohol. So I'm assuming its going to be a CVS below W6. Kind of disappointing.

[dtnphx]

Streetcar plan inches ahead for Rio Salado, to link Tempe with Mesa

By Gary NelsonThe Republic | azcentral.com

Evidently, a streetcar linking Mesa and Tempe is desired.

Representatives of Tempe, Mesa, Arizona State University and Valley Metro, the regional transportation agency, have agreed to conduct an early financial analysis of the project, according to minutes of a meeting held Jan. 7.

The parties are looking into whether a public-private partnership would work, as opposed to funding the line entirely with tax dollars. That could bring the project to fruition far more quickly than if it had to stand in line for scarce public money.

Documents pertaining to the Jan. 7 meeting mention neither a price tag nor a construction timeline.

Tempe and Valley Metro already are in the thick of planning a streetcar line from Southern Avenue to Rio Salado Parkway on Mill Avenue. At Rio Salado, it would jut west to Ash Avenue, south to University Drive, then east back to Mill.

The total route would be 2.6 miles for an estimated cost of $129 million, of which $73 million already is available. It is part of a regional transportation plan approved by Maricopa County voters through Proposition 400 in 2004, but it also depends on federal grants.

Valley Metro spokeswoman Hillary Foose said even though the Federal Transit Administration has not approved funds for the Mill Avenue line, it recently signaled continuing interest in the project.

The original plan, however, might need tweaks to accommodate new federal rules that require cities to show a transit project would boost economic development.

Valley Metro did some preliminary environmental-assessment work last year in downtown Tempe, but Foose said that process is only partially completed.

The Rio Salado line would be a separate project.

“Rio Salado has been on our radar for some time as a potential streetcar corridor,” Foose said. “Historically, it’s been in addition to the modern streetcar project along Mill Avenue.”

The Rio Salado route covers 3.9 miles from Mill Avenue to Dobson Road. From the heart of downtown Tempe and Tempe Town Lake, it would pass Sun Devil Stadium, Tempe Marketplace and the Chicago Cubs complex before arriving at Mesa Riverview shopping center.

It also would pass ASU property that includes Packard Stadium and Karsten Golf Course. The university is looking into major redevelopment of those sites as a funding source for Sun Devil Stadium renovations.

The corridor recently lost one of its potential draws, however, when ASU and the Cubs could not reach a deal that would have allowed ASU to use the stadium under construction at Riverview.

The Jan. 7 meeting was attended by ASU President Michael Crow, mayors Scott Smith of Mesa and Mark Mitchell of Tempe, and Valley Metro CEO Steve Banta. They envision forming a formal partnership as the process moves along and agreed on the following steps:

Valley Metro will work with the Arizona Department of Transportation to determine whether a public-private partnership could develop the streetcar system.

ASU will conduct a “value for money” analysis as to whether the project would pencil out. If the numbers look good, a full feasibility study would be conducted, including early design work, an active search for money and partners, and more analysis of land-development opportunities along the route.

ASU will conduct a design charrette, which would visualize potential development along the Rio Salado corridor.

Streetcar lines, according to Valley Metro’s website, typically use tracks like light rail, but the cars are smaller and stop more often. They can be powered either by overhead lines or batteries.

Transit officials nationwide have gravitated toward fixed-track systems in recent years because they spur more economic development than bus lines, which can be moved around at will.

Officials say, however, that whereas redevelopment along light-rail lines typically occurs near the stations, streetcar tracks tend to spawn new projects along their entire length.

Rio Salado Parkway in Mesa is a new name for Eighth Street between Country Club Drive and the Tempe border. The City Council approved the change late last year to help brand the Mesa-Tempe corridor.

[MegaBass]

Btw. I saw that they took down the big red sign for the lot across the street from district on apache and next to the building formerly known as the view. Does anyone know if it is because it passed through the city or if it was scrapped?

I noticed The Grove at 1000 East Apache PDF no longer has renderings. Perhaps it is back on the drawing board?

Here is the link to the PDF

Grove and Hanover (http://www.tempe.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=13987)

http://www.facebook.com/Apache.Redevelopment

[Jjs5056]

Not that it's urban in any way, but looks like there's some action on Warner between the 10 and Priest, across the way (south) from the complex with Ikea.

I'd be sad to see The Grove scrapped. It would've been nice to reach the point of adjacent dense, mixed use projects along Apache. Of course, it would be great to see it next to W6 instead of the crappy Hanover proposal, but obviously that's not an option.

Seems like quite a few projects have stalled or been MIA in Tempe. I hope they aren't all dead: Hanover, Grove, Rural&Terrace, Villas at South Bank, Namwest, etc.

Of them all, I wouldn't mind seeing the Rural&Terrace tower scrapped. That would lead to yet another lone tower in Tempe- W6 on Mill, The Hub on College and then this project on Rural. The other projects, though, are really important for the city. Hanover would bring more residents downtown (though we can all agree the design sucks- needs to be higher, denser and mixed use; but, 6 stories of money-spending residents is a much bigger boost for downtown than a parking lot). Villas at South Bank would prove that project (South Bank) is the real deal and get the ball rolling; it had some mixed use components and was nice and high- all positives for the Lake. Lastly, Namwest would clean up a blighted piece of prime real estate, bring height to the North side of the lake, and complement Playa del Norte to the South (and, maybe spark the development of the former Onyx site).

Lastly, has anyone noticed progress on the apartments slated for Rio Salado and Hardy(ish)- Argo, I think? They demolished the buildings that were there. They were nothing special, but the last thing we need is another cycle of demolishing buildings and replacing them with abandoned dirt lots. :(

[ASUSunDevil]

I drive by Argo at Town Lake every day, there are typically a few construction guys there doing small stuff. They just put up a big sign for future dust complaints, I'm assuming they will start the real construction any day now.

[MegaBass]

Not that it's urban in any way, but looks like there's some action on Warner between the 10 and Priest, across the way (south) from the complex with Ikea.

I'd be sad to see The Grove scrapped. It would've been nice to reach the point of adjacent dense, mixed use projects along Apache. Of course, it would be great to see it next to W6 instead of the crappy Hanover proposal, but obviously that's not an option.

Seems like quite a few projects have stalled or been MIA in Tempe. I hope they aren't all dead: Hanover, Grove, Rural&Terrace, Villas at South Bank, Namwest, etc.

Of them all, I wouldn't mind seeing the Rural&Terrace tower scrapped. That would lead to yet another lone tower in Tempe- W6 on Mill, The Hub on College and then this project on Rural. The other projects, though, are really important for the city. Hanover would bring more residents downtown (though we can all agree the design sucks- needs to be higher, denser and mixed use; but, 6 stories of money-spending residents is a much bigger boost for downtown than a parking lot). Villas at South Bank would prove that project (South Bank) is the real deal and get the ball rolling; it had some mixed use components and was nice and high- all positives for the Lake. Lastly, Namwest would clean up a blighted piece of prime real estate, bring height to the North side of the lake, and complement Playa del Norte to the South (and, maybe spark the development of the former Onyx site).

Lastly, has anyone noticed progress on the apartments slated for Rio Salado and Hardy(ish)- Argo, I think? They demolished the buildings that were there. They were nothing special, but the last thing we need is another cycle of demolishing buildings and replacing them with abandoned dirt lots. :(

I wish something would be done to the M7 site (http://tempeurbanliving360.com/downtown-condos-lofts/m7-tempe-az). I would also add the behemoth Lemon Mixed Use Development (http://www.tempe.gov/publicbodies/Docs/Council/SupportingDocuments/20090409dsrl01a.pdf).

[Jjs5056]

Thanks for the update on Argo- glad to hear it's moving forward.

The M7 lot is probably #1 on my wish list of properties I want to see developed- Ash/University is right up there, as well. Both are part of a small list of lots that have the potential for high rises downtown. Obviously, the condo component is likely gone for good, but I have to believe that there is a demand for hotels in the area, especially one that is a bit more upscale. And, while the rental market is probably nearing its tipping point, I would like to see apartments as part of any future development there. Tempe needs to take advantage of any chance to bring more residents downtown, especially given that most of that action seems to be occurring on Apache.

[Tito714]

I dont know if it has been posted yet but it looks like My Big Fat Greek Restaurant is rebuilding in their burned down location on mill

[exit2lef]

I dont know if it has been posted yet but it looks like My Big Fat Greek Restaurant is rebuilding in their burned down location on mill

It's being rebuilt, but I thought as a second outpost of El Hefe from Scottsdale.

[TempeSilverFox]

It's being rebuilt, but I thought as a second outpost of El Hefe from Scottsdale.

It is for sure going to be My Big Fat Greek. They have a FaceBook page up and have a sign out in front. They should re-open this month I believe. I'm kinda excited- I always enjoyed going there for an inexpensive and quite tasty lunch. I also prefer to see full on restaurants on Mill rather than bars that offer the usual slog of bar grub.

[MegaBass]

It is for sure going to be My Big Fat Greek. They have a FaceBook page up and have a sign out in front. They should re-open this month I believe. I'm kinda excited- I always enjoyed going there for an inexpensive and quite tasty lunch. I also prefer to see full on restaurants on Mill rather than bars that offer the usual slog of bar grub.

Their site (http://www.mybigfatgreekrestaurant.com/#!__locations) lists it as reopening soon.

[exit2lef]

It is for sure going to be My Big Fat Greek. They have a FaceBook page up and have a sign out in front. They should re-open this month I believe. I'm kinda excited- I always enjoyed going there for an inexpensive and quite tasty lunch. I also prefer to see full on restaurants on Mill rather than bars that offer the usual slog of bar grub.

Interesting. I wonder if that means El Hefe is a goner, or if it's going somewhere else nearby.

[manorastroman]

The thing that I have a question about and i have been lurking this thread for awhile to see if anyone posted about it, is the work going on 6th and mill where chronic taco use to be. I saw that dulexe custom design is doing the interior for whatever is going on in that location. Anyone have any info?

[ASUSunDevil]

Interesting. I wonder if that means El Hefe is a goner, or if it's going somewhere else nearby.

I heard from a friend that El Hefe could go where Grilled Expedition used to be on 7th St. Purely speculation but that's what he told me, I've seen quite a bit of action over there lately.

On another note, I can't believe how long some of that commercial re has been vacant on 7th. Barnes & Noble, Uno's Pizzeria and that big piece of empty land next to Jack in the Box. :koko:

[DaveInTHX]

Looks like that old Uno's space on 7th and Mill will open as a Zipp's Sports Bar.... the 10th in the Valley and first in Tempe.

[ASUSunDevil]

Looks like that old Uno's space on 7th and Mill will open as a Zipp's Sports Bar.... the 10th in the Valley and first in Tempe.

That is incredible news. Looks like I can finally get some good food and watch sports on Mill. I think Zipp's will do really well on Mill Ave.

[MegaBass]

I heard from a friend that El Hefe could go where Grilled Expedition used to be on 7th St. Purely speculation but that's what he told me, I've seen quite a bit of action over there lately.

On another note, I can't believe how long some of that commercial re has been vacant on 7th. Barnes & Noble, Uno's Pizzeria and that big piece of empty land next to Jack in the Box. :koko:

Makes me wonder how it will all fair out once the Marriott plus parking structure and The Hub on Campus retail spaces factor in. Its taken Vista del Sol, 922 Place (Vue), Grigio Metro a while to fill their occupancy.

[Arquitect]

Makes me wonder how it will all fair out once the Marriott plus parking structure and The Hub on Campus retail spaces factor in. Its taken Vista del Sol, 922 Place (Vue), Grigio Metro a while to fill their occupancy.

I think it has a lot more to do with the expectation of the land-owners than actual interest in the property. Being in such a prominent location, the landowner wants to charge really high rents, which makes has made it really difficult to fill. It is more than obvious that Mill has rebounded, with most of the vacancies being filled. It is not as diverse as it was pre-Tempe Market place debacle, but it is definitely a lot better than a few years ago.

Apache is still trying to morph into its new identity. It is a weird blend between drive-throughs, strip-malls, and urban density. It is natural that it is experiencing some instability filling in their new spaces. The great benefit of Apache though, is that it is starting to attract no only students, but also development reaching other demographics (such as Gracie's). This will really begin to shape Apache, since it will have an identity beyond student centered activities. It will probably take some time, but it is already starting to become an awesome urban corridor.

[alexico]

That is incredible news. Looks like I can finally get some good food and watch sports on Mill. I think Zipp's will do really well on Mill Ave.

very cool! 7th st and Mill is basically empty. needs some action.

[FitnessPower]

http://highrisefacilities.com/developer-pushes-forward-with-sky-tower-in-tempe-arizona/

Some fairly updated news on the Sky tower.

It should be exciting to see Tempe grow over the next 20 years!

[Spitfiredude]

I really wouldn't cross my fingers on this project. The developer does not really have any credible background on projects. He is the same developer who was suppose to develop a condominium project in Scottsdale near the Giants stadium (years ago) and that project was never built. If you look at their website the man can barely speak English> continentalgrp.com This project will never happen, especially since the demand for condos in Arizona is at an extreme low. Look at the Hayden Ferry Lakeside projects. Still trying to sell.....tsk tsk...

[Arquitect]

I really wouldn't cross my fingers on this project. The developer does not really have any credible background on projects. He is the same developer who was suppose to develop a condominium project in Scottsdale near the Giants stadium (years ago) and that project was never built. If you look at their website the man can barely speak English> continentalgrp.com This project will never happen, especially since the demand for condos in Arizona is at an extreme low. Look at the Hayden Ferry Lakeside projects. Still trying to sell.....tsk tsk...

I agree, the line stating that it will be in the Mill ave 5th street area doesn't make it sound realistic. Is it supposed to go next to W6? Why not give the exact location, or just say close to Mill ave. I really don't see this project taking off, as coo as it would be to get some more height in the core of downtown.

[DevilsRider]

Biked by My Big Fat Greek Restaurant this evening. Looked like it was open and lively!

[ciweiss]

http://www.millavenue.com/news/pr/tempe-restaurateur-julian-wright-to-open-cool-concept-y-new-bar-on-mill-in-march

Fork and Dagger CEO Julian Wright -- the Mill Avenue mini-mogul who keeps Tempe fed and watered at La Bocca Urban Pizzeria + Wine Bar, Canteen Modern Tequila Bar and The Handlebar -- has big plans for a venue that's near and dear to his heart.

See also:
-- Margaritas Exclusively for the North Valley Coming to CityCenter of CityNorth
-- The Handlebar and Grill: Happy Hour Report Card

The cavernous 6,500-square-foot space on the southeast corner of Fifth Street and Mill, former home to Wright's infamous Library Bar & Grill, then Blondie's Sports Bar (a Las Vegas-based concept with waitresses dressed in cheerleader outfits -GACK!) and most recently Fifth Street Bar (which was owned and operated by Wright) is re-opening this spring as Gringo Star Street Bar and his plans for it sound trendy in a good way.

Wright shut down Fifth Street Bar, an interim operation that never really took hold, late last November, and he's in the process of revamping and re-concepting the space, anticipating a late March opening, if all goes well.

Although his three most recent Mill Avenue restaurants have earned Wright a reputation as the guy who brought a touch of grown-up sophistication to Mill, Gringo Star promises to be youthful, edgy and just plain fun.

He's bringing in young local artists to paint street art (an artistic step above good old graffiti) on the walls, and he's rigging one wall to look like a food truck, which will usher forth 15-20 dishes representing the greatest hits of the food truck world. There will be DJs and dancing (this is Julian Wright, after all), as well as kitschy 80's games such as Pac-Man, Asteroids, Galaga and Skee-Ball.

Because he's an ASU grad, Wright plans to throw parties for ASU events. He also envisions large format (i.e., shareable) drinks and a chain link fence on the back patio, where customers can clip locks (bring your own or buy one at Gringo Star), which the bar will inscribe to commemorate whatever needs commemorating: birthdays, anniversaries, Girls Night Out or just He Loves She.

Meanwhile, his other venture -- Modern Margarita in CityNorth -- and his first away from Mill Avenue is slated for a March 7 opening. We can expect what Wright calls a "killer patio" and a larger margarita (but smaller tequila) selection. Although the space will be smaller and much more compact than Canteen Modern Tequila Bar, both design elements (wood, glass) and the menu will be similar to it. Wright calls Modern Margarita Canteen's "baby sis," but adds that the menu will change as they get to know their North Phoenix clientele. "We'll tweak it to be more reflective of our audience," he explains.

Although CityNorth has struggled since opening, Wright says the mixed-use space is finally on the upswing. More and more leases have been signed, and he sees a rosy future, given the restaurant's proximity to huge events like Barrett Jackson and the Phoenix Open. Wright says, "We're excited to meet new people and create a new community, just as we have on Mill."

[PhxER]

ASU Baseball Moving to Phoenix Muni in 2015

After months of deliberation and plans falling through, the Arizona State Sun Devils will play their baseball games in Phoenix Municipal Stadium starting in the 2015 season.

The Arizona Board of Regents approved the move on Thursday, which means ASU can finalize its 25-year lease agreement with the city of Phoenix to play baseball at the Oakland A's spring training facility.

The Athletics are currently working on a deal that would send their franchise to Mesa and play in Hohokam Stadium, the Chicago Cubs old stadium. Meanwhile, the Cubs will move to their new stadium at Riverview Park in Mesa on Dobson Road off the 202 loop.

This should be a big news for Sun Devil baseball fans and also local media. ASU Baseball has played at Packard Stadium since 1974, but the university wants to use the space along with Karsten Golf course and expand the Tempe campus closer to Tempe Town Lake.

Packard Stadium currently seats four thousand fans, while Phoenix Municipal can comfortably fit 8,775. Besides an increase in attendance, ASU could use the new press box to attract the Pac-12 network, ESPN and possibly even Fox Sports Arizona to broadcast more baseball games. This season, the Pac-12 network will not stream every home game online because of Packard Stadium's inconvenience.

Under the new terms that were agreed upon by all parties, ASU will receive all revenue from ticket sales, net concession and parking. The university is responsible for maintenance, operating expenses and paying annual rent. It's estimated to cost the Sun Devils nearly $300,000 annually to cover rent.

Arizona State originally hoped to join the Chicago Cubs in their new facilities at Riverview Park, but negotiations ended back in November.

Be sure to enjoy what could be the last two seasons in Packard Stadium because a big piece of Arizona State athletic history will soon be in rubble.

Source (http://www.houseofsparky.com/2013/2/8/3966808/asu-baseball-to-play-at-phoenix-municipal-stadium-in-2015)

[phxSUNSfan]

ASU Baseball Moving to Phoenix Muni in 2015

BUT...will they sell beer? :cheers:

This will be a good move for Sun Devils baseball. Phoenix Muni is a very nice facility. The article states the incorrect capacity for Packard: the stadium has between 3,000-4,000 "backed seating" but a capacity of 7,875...still smaller than Phoenix Muni.

[Arquitect]

ASU Baseball Moving to Phoenix Muni in 2015

After months of deliberation and plans falling through, the Arizona State Sun Devils will play their baseball games in Phoenix Municipal Stadium starting in the 2015 season.

The Arizona Board of Regents approved the move on Thursday, which means ASU can finalize its 25-year lease agreement with the city of Phoenix to play baseball at the Oakland A's spring training facility.

The Athletics are currently working on a deal that would send their franchise to Mesa and play in Hohokam Stadium, the Chicago Cubs old stadium. Meanwhile, the Cubs will move to their new stadium at Riverview Park in Mesa on Dobson Road off the 202 loop.

This should be a big news for Sun Devil baseball fans and also local media. ASU Baseball has played at Packard Stadium since 1974, but the university wants to use the space along with Karsten Golf course and expand the Tempe campus closer to Tempe Town Lake.

Packard Stadium currently seats four thousand fans, while Phoenix Municipal can comfortably fit 8,775. Besides an increase in attendance, ASU could use the new press box to attract the Pac-12 network, ESPN and possibly even Fox Sports Arizona to broadcast more baseball games. This season, the Pac-12 network will not stream every home game online because of Packard Stadium's inconvenience.

Under the new terms that were agreed upon by all parties, ASU will receive all revenue from ticket sales, net concession and parking. The university is responsible for maintenance, operating expenses and paying annual rent. It's estimated to cost the Sun Devils nearly $300,000 annually to cover rent.

Arizona State originally hoped to join the Chicago Cubs in their new facilities at Riverview Park, but negotiations ended back in November.

Be sure to enjoy what could be the last two seasons in Packard Stadium because a big piece of Arizona State athletic history will soon be in rubble.

Source (http://www.houseofsparky.com/2013/2/8/3966808/asu-baseball-to-play-at-phoenix-municipal-stadium-in-2015)

Great news! As much as Packard is a piece of ASU history, PHX Muni has an even richer history, and is a nice stadium too. Having ASU play there is awesome. My only concern would be transportation. It is a bit of a hike from the light rail. Id defenitely ride my bike to it, but im not sure many would be as willing in the hot early summer days.

[MegaBass]

Great news! As much as Packard is a piece of ASU history, PHX Muni has an even richer history, and is a nice stadium too. Having ASU play there is awesome. My only concern would be transportation. It is a bit of a hike from the light rail. Id defenitely ride my bike to it, but im not sure many would be as willing in the hot early summer days.

Stadium deal just the start of larger partnership in east-Phoenix area. Could involve moving golf programs to Papago.

[savphili]

Saw this article for possible land sale near TCA. This will hopefully spark some new developments west of Mill Ave.
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http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20130206tempe-possible-land-sale-may-fund-dam-fix.html

"By Dianna M. Náñez
The Republic | azcentral.com
Fri Feb 8, 2013 9:03 AM
Tempe is considering selling about 100 acres of high-profile land that city officials have said could net $11.9 million and help pay for replacing Town Lake’s western dam.

The City Council is expected to vote today on the agreement, which would allow Liberty Property Trust, a Pennsylvania-based real-estate company, to develop large parcels of high-profile land at Rio Salado Parkway and Priest Drive just west of Town Lake.

The sale terms include $15.1million for 76 acres, $2.1million for 5 more acres and the option to buy an additional 21 acres. The city would credit Liberty for about $5 million in remediation costs to prepare the land for development. Upon development, Liberty would make a one-time $50,000 payment to two Tempe school districts.

“Revenue from the arrangement could help Tempe pay for the replacement of the western dam at Tempe Town Lake, as well as for improvements at parks and other locations throughout the city,” a Tempe news release said.

The estimated cost to replace Town Lake’s rubber dam with a steel dam is $36.8 million.

But Tempe Finance Manager Ken Jones told The Arizona Republic on Wednesday that to put the land-sale revenue toward the dam, the sale must occur by the deadline to pay for dam construction.

Tempe’s target date to begin construction of the dam is November, with completion in December 2015. The development deal would allow Liberty to complete its project in phases over a nine to 12-year period.

Jones said that the city still could bond for the Town Lake dam project. The revenue could be used for other municipal projects, he added.

Councilman Kolby Granville said he supports the land sale regardless of whether it helps pay for the dam.

“The biggest factor for me is there’s a vacant piece of property that we have the ability to have developed and that will create jobs and create revenue and create quality of life in that portion of Tempe,” he said.

About 800,000 square feet of office or industrial buildings would be developed by Liberty Property Trust. The city has estimated that development may generate as many as 6,500 jobs over the next decade.

John DiVall, senior president of Liberty’s Arizona office, said that the land, which has been used as a landfill, requires significant remediation before construction can start. He expects the remediation to be complete by fall and construction to start by year’s end on an initial building that would be 60,000 to 100,000 square feet on 12 to 14acres.

Liberty Property Trust, among the nation’s largest real-estate companies, is a $6.9 billion publicly-traded, real-estate investment trust that owns 77.8 million square feet of office and industrial space in more than 21 markets in the U.S. and the United Kingdom.

“In a nutshell, that is why the city picked us to develop this property,” DiVall said, referring to Liberty’s leasing of space to businesses that have a large employee base.

Liberty considers the Tempe site attractive to major employers because of its central Valley location and proximity to the airport, he said.

Tempe has offered the developer a Government Property Lease Excise Tax break, which allows cities to enter into deals that reduce or eliminate property taxes that certain developers pay.

Generally, the tax break is offered to developers who build in blighted areas on property the city owns or where a municipality becomes the property owner of record and leases it to the developer.

The property benefits from the city's tax-exempt status and is effectively taken off the tax rolls while the developer pays a considerably smaller excise tax. This deal would provide Liberty an eight-year abatement of property taxes. During the term of the GPLET lease, Liberty would pay Tempe annual rent in an amount equal to 50percent of what the property taxes would have been without the tax break.

Granville said he would not have supported the development agreement if the deal didn’t have the potential to generate much-needed jobs."

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....and a quick pic of W6 while I was in tempe. I was practicing my night shots!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c319/sav_phili/Real%20Estate/DSCN0948_E_zps24756102.jpg

[azsunsurfer]

Saw the renderings for the "Apache Villas" Project, very disapointing but kind of expected. 4 Story stucco apartments with a one story professional office building that mirrors the architecture you would find at any of these "professional villages." Appears to be gated from the north.

[Arquitect]

Saw the renderings for the "Apache Villas" Project, very disapointing but kind of expected. 4 Story stucco apartments with a one story professional office building that mirrors the architecture you would find at any of these "professional villages." Appears to be gated from the north.

Yeah, not a fan either. Apache has evolved beyond these types of projects. We need density, but density that ties into the urban fabric. The era of gated apartment complexes in Apache had come to an end.

[alexico]

Saw this article for possible land sale near TCA. This will hopefully spark some new

....and a quick pic of W6 while I was in tempe. I was practicing my night shots!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c319/sav_phili/Real%20Estate/DSCN0948_E_zps24756102.jpg


-nice pic! I live here and have been here for 6 months. so far so good.
-tower 2 corner units have the best views. they see all of tempe and scottsdale.
-my view is about in the top 3 for units (22nd floor look right onto 6th st)

FYI, if you ever want to take pics of my unit Id love that. (camera challenged)

[savphili]

-nice pic! I live here and have been here for 6 months. so far so good.
-tower 2 corner units have the best views. they see all of tempe and scottsdale.
-my view is about in the top 3 for units (22nd floor look right onto 6th st)

FYI, if you ever want to take pics of my unit Id love that. (camera challenged)

I've been up in the penthouse in the left tower (not sure what tower #) and the views are ridiculous! Nothing else like it in Tempe... Except for maybe hub now.

I'll have to take you up on that offer sometime, I've been taking all kinds of pictures the past two months for the website I'm building!

[Spitfiredude]

-nice pic! I live here and have been here for 6 months. so far so good.
-tower 2 corner units have the best views. they see all of tempe and scottsdale.
-my view is about in the top 3 for units (22nd floor look right onto 6th st)

FYI, if you ever want to take pics of my unit Id love that. (camera challenged)

I live in tower 2 with the corner unit. Its an E2 (3 bed/3 bath/21st floor). The funny part is J. Wright used to live in my unit. I've been here for 3 months now & have no complaints. Its about half college students/half regular people ranging from young professionals to retirees. Security and staff are very helpful and nice. The unit itself is very nice, I enjoy it, especially with the 225 degree view of Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe. I looked into The Hub on Campus and the seem a bit lower quality than W6. The views are not as great (the building is only 19 stories), they have dry wall covering the exterior in most parts instead of all glass windows, the units come furnished (after one year, that's disgusting), and the floor plans look more frat like. Now, I have to say their pool looks like it beats ours and they are putting in a volleyball court, but considering it is being created by the same developers as The Vue, I believe it will end up like The Vue. Anyway, I would recommend to anyone to try West Sixth if you have the opportunity. It is a bit expensive, but very much worth the price. Very nice picture by the way. I had my lights on lol.

[Arquitect]

I live in tower 2 with the corner unit. Its an E2 (3 bed/3 bath/21st floor). The funny part is J. Wright used to live in my unit. I've been here for 3 months now & have no complaints. Its about half college students/half regular people ranging from young professionals to retirees. Security and staff are very helpful and nice. The unit itself is very nice, I enjoy it, especially with the 225 degree view of Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe. I looked into The Hub on Campus and the seem a bit lower quality than W6. The views are not as great (the building is only 19 stories), they have dry wall covering the exterior in most parts instead of all glass windows, the units come furnished (after one year, that's disgusting), and the floor plans look more frat like. Now, I have to say their pool looks like it beats ours and they are putting in a volleyball court, but considering it is being created by the same developers as The Vue, I believe it will end up like The Vue. Anyway, I would recommend to anyone to try West Sixth if you have the opportunity. It is a bit expensive, but very much worth the price. Very nice picture by the way. I had my lights on lol.

Although I would agree that the views won't be as good as W6, I can personally tell you that the view from the north units, as well as the west facing ones is pretty great. The north units anywhere above the 12th floor have a direct view into the ASU stadium, which would be really awesome for game nights. While the west ones have a great view of the valley. The finishes are also quite nice. That being said, W6 was planned to be condos while Hub has always been intended to be marketed as student apartments. So it is to be expected that W6 would have nicer finishes and larger units. But from the floor plans I have seen, I have to say that the Hub is better organized, and better designed.

[Jjs5056]

Just FYI, and sorry for repeating myself, but given the recent article posted, I feel that is relevant to bring up again... Additional land near the lake being sold to Liberty Trust is NOT a good thing if you have any interest in seeing the western side of TCA intgrate into downtown, be pedestrian-oriented or be built to any kind of urban standards. It will be a real shame if the majority of lake front real estate is developed by them- we will end up with a low-rise office park that could go anywhere; it would literally be a nearly identical replica of Cotton Center.

With the lake, ASU, light rail, streetcar, emerging downtown, etc, etc, prime real estate like this should be developed in a much more thoughtful way and leverage all of these assets, rather than ignore them. The site plans I saw were horrible enough when they only had the area west of Priest (and a small piece east)... Having that expand eastward is devastating. Developable land around the lake is finite... sucks that we are screwing it up with mediocrity.

[Leo the Dog]

Just FYI, and sorry for repeating myself, but given the recent article posted, I feel that is relevant to bring up again... Additional land near the lake being sold to Liberty Trust is NOT a good thing if you have any interest in seeing the western side of TCA intgrate into downtown, be pedestrian-oriented or be built to any kind of urban standards. It will be a real shame if the majority of lake front real estate is developed by them- we will end up with a low-rise office park that could go anywhere; it would literally be a nearly identical replica of Cotton Center.

With the lake, ASU, light rail, streetcar, emerging downtown, etc, etc, prime real estate like this should be developed in a much more thoughtful way and leverage all of these assets, rather than ignore them. The site plans I saw were horrible enough when they only had the area west of Priest (and a small piece east)... Having that expand eastward is devastating. Developable land around the lake is finite... sucks that we are screwing it up with mediocrity.

I agree...but

Maybe it's location near the final approach of the south runway has something to do with this project. I'm sure that Tempe is just happy to have anything be built there that'll increase their tax revenues. The Lakefront is non existent at Priest. It's a barren wasteland of an empty river channel, so it's not as if prime lakefront property is going to waste.

[Jjs5056]

That's true for the area they were originally developing that was mainly comprised of land west of Priest, with only a small portion on the east side. This recent article is saying that they'll now own land up to TCA- that land is certainly lakefront real estate, and I think would be a real shame if development immediately adjacent to TCA is wasted on a generic office park.

That building is a gem architecturally and there are so many uses for that land that are more complementary and none have to be within high rise development if the airport is truly an issue. Just across the street, mixed use apartments are being constructed with a focus on the arts community and pedestrians- a coffee shop and bike co-op are planned, parking spots reduced, built up to the street AFAIK, etc.

If we were still talking about the original acreage west of Priest, I'd say sure- go ahead and build Cotton Center II. I would argue that it would be short-sighted given the potential streetcar, etc. but, reality is that Tempe's urban core would likely never extend that far west and bringing jobs and development to an infill location would likely outweigh any negatives.

However, slapping 4-story glass blocks, a sea of parking lots and monstrous garages right next to a gorgeous performing arts center, a one-of-a-kind pedestrian bridge and rare waterfront is an entirely different situation. It would be like throwing a gated apartment complex on Ash and University. It just seems like Tempe has grown up and set different urban ideals for itself, especially downtown.

Perhaps they know this and now that their property extends closer to downtown, they'll go back to the drawing board and come up with something better for the project. The article just struck a nerve, though, and I would rather have these discussions now than when bulldozers and cranes are on-site (not that the city is listening to us, but... Lol). Just my .02. I'm really passionate about downtown Tempe because I really do think it has the most potential, with assets such as ASU, historic building stock that was built at a pedestrian scale, the lake, light rail and what is usually a very pro-urban local government. I don't think it (and this is probably the fault of unimaginative developers; I understand that the city needs to make money and isn't going to hold back a development because of setbacks or shade) has made the best use of the lake and land adjacent, but this would certainly be the worst case IMO, and would be another blow to the chances of making downtown Tempe more than just Mill Ave.

[Jjs5056]

Okay, I don't know if I had a few too many beers when I read that article or what the first time, but I just skimmed it again and I guess it doesn't mention anything about them developing any of the land closer to TCA.

I'll leave my post for the off-chance that I read that somewhere else and it is true; otherwise, I'll just work on my reading comprehension in the meantime. :cheers:

[Arquitect]

Okay, I don't know if I had a few too many beers when I read that article or what the first time, but I just skimmed it again and I guess it doesn't mention anything about them developing any of the land closer to TCA.

I'll leave my post for the off-chance that I read that somewhere else and it is true; otherwise, I'll just work on my reading comprehension in the meantime. :cheers:


Haha! I was wondering where the TCA part had come out of. As far as I understand, they were potentially thinking of adding the construction yard east of priest, but wouldn't go very much farther than that. I am certain the city has better plans for the area adjacent to TCA, since they too view it as a huge asset. I really don't see the urbanity of downtown really develloing westward. Without a doubt Ash and Farmer will get denser, having more developments such as the apartment complexes on the west side of Farmer take place on the empty parking lots to the East, but the neighborhoods to the west of framer will probably create a buffer for growth.

I really see the expansion of downtown going East. We are already seeing some of it take place with the Hub and the new hotel, but my guess is that soon, we will start to see some of the empty lots and parking lots begin to be planned. With ASU's plan to develop lot 59, and the fact that they just bought the University Center, I really do see density expanding beyond Rural.
Another reason for which I think that development is going to go East, is that so far the plans for the Rio Salado street car only show it starting around Mill and moving East to Dobson.

Who knows, maybe something a lot grander will happen next to TCA, but my guess is that it will probably be something in the midrise scale similar to the Argo project. A nice in scale, much better than a potential Cotton Center II, but also not super urban.

[Spitfiredude]

I noticed that the tower crane for Block 12 has gone up today. It seems like it is much taller than the one they put up at the Marriott hotel. Does anyone have any information on building height? I know five stories, but I estimate that to be 50-65 feet + 10 feet for space between the tower crane and actual structure. This crane seems to be about 120' high (or nearly as high as Manzanita)... I could not imagine this building to be 80-100' Seems quite large.

Work has ceased again on Milk & Honey. Suppose they are having financial troubles.

Also, I went by Wright's Handlebar, that place is awesome. Enjoyed the food (even though it is a limited menu) & it was very vibrant and open.

[nickw252]

I noticed that the tower crane for Block 12 has gone up today. It seems like it is much taller than the one they put up at the Marriott hotel. Does anyone have any information on building height? I know five stories, but I estimate that to be 50-65 feet + 10 feet for space between the tower crane and actual structure. This crane seems to be about 120' high (or nearly as high as Manzanita)... I could not imagine this building to be 80-100' Seems quite large.

I don't know anything about that particular project but a 5 floor building should be between 77 to about 105 feet tall. An academic building would be on the higher end.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2uf4ml0.jpg

[dtnphx]

State Farm to build Tempe regional headquarters, bring thousands of new jobs

Kristena Hansen, The Business Journal

Illinois-based State Farm Insurance is planning to build a massive regional headquarters along Tempe Town Lake that is slated to bring thousands of new jobs to Arizona.

I have spoken to multiple sources who confirmed this but wanted to remain anonymous. These sources told me that State Farm will build a roughly 1 million-square-foot regional headquarters campus on a site owned by Scottsdale-based Sunbelt Holdings Inc. where 5,000 to 7,000 employees will be housed.

The site, sources say, is located on the east side of the $50 million luxury apartment project planned by San Diego-based developer OliverMcMillan. It’s just east of the Hayden Ferry Lakeside project near Rio Salado Parkway and Mill Avenue.

Ryan Cos. has been picked to build the State Farm project, sources told me. There was no information available as to how much the project would cost or when it would be built, but sources say all parties involved want to “move fast.”

State Farm has apparently been searching for a site in Arizona for the past several months and recently narrowed it down to the Sunbelt Holdings site in Tempe.

John Graham, president and CEO of Sunbelt Holdings, declined to comment Monday morning when I reached out to him.

John Strittmatter, president of the southwest region for Ryan, did not respond to my email and phone call Monday morning.

[HX_Guy]

Was just about to post the same thing! Holy crap that's pretty big news...why can't it be in downtown Phoenix! Damn you Tempe for having such great vision as Tempe Town Lake. :worship:

1,000,000 sq ft could have been epic in downtown Phoenix...the Cityscape tower is 568,000 sq ft if I remember correctly...imagine what height this could have been! Unfortunately the location in Tempe won't allow it for that much height so we'll probably end up with a huge campus similar to Univ. of Phoenix's off the I-10.