Phoenix CityScape Thread [Archive] - Page 66

Vicelord John

Jun 28, 2011, 8:34 PM

I agree, and also the downtown area is home to many young professionals, environmentalists, etc who would and do buy 7th Generation products. Not only that but throw in some chi-chi neighbors from Roosevelt, Willo, and Encanto (to name a few) and there are enough willing to buy from Oakville. If not, they sell the cheap stuff at CVS...

yup, and those people in those neighborhoods would be much more inclined to go to AJ's for the bigger selection, better hours, easier parking, and supporting a local company.

PhxER

Jun 28, 2011, 9:58 PM

HooverDam

Jun 28, 2011, 10:04 PM

Cityscape Advertising

http://www.anthonyjamespartners.com/projects/cityscape-downtown-phoenix/advertising-and-branding-of-new-retail-construction-in-downtown-phoenix/

I'm not sure if this is part of Legends Entertainment District or not

Nice, anything that covers up the barren gray walls at Cityscape is a good thing. I think it does count as the Western edge of the "Legends" thing, though thats not really a district in any sense and will likely just cause confusion (a la "Copper Square"). I like the image of the multi level news ticker thing, that looks much more big city than the puny one they have over at the Cronkite school.

HX_Guy

Jun 28, 2011, 10:05 PM

That's...interesting.

http://www.anthonyjamespartners.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cityscape-1.jpg

http://www.anthonyjamespartners.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cityscape-2.jpg

http://www.anthonyjamespartners.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cityscape-3.jpg

Vicelord John

Jun 28, 2011, 10:07 PM

I so hope they just cover cityscape in lights and stuff.

Jsmscaleros

Jun 28, 2011, 10:27 PM

I wouldn't really say this makes the facade of the development "better" as much as "louder".

gymratmanaz

Jun 28, 2011, 10:27 PM

Look the weather lady says it is going to be cool!!!!

I think this would be awesome signage. Is it really coming???

Vicelord John

Jun 28, 2011, 10:35 PM

Look the weather lady says it is going to be cool!!!!

I think this would be awesome signage. Is it really coming???

but the scrolling board says "it's gonna be really hot"

that website as well as the renderings look so unprofessional. Not to mention they are advertising "downtown live" as part of their portfolio, but that project obviously isn't happening since it's called Legends Entertainment District.

gymratmanaz

Jun 29, 2011, 1:21 AM

Good catch on the hot/cold. She is so fired!!!

Classical in Phoenix

Jun 29, 2011, 2:04 AM

If these are actual renderings of what is planned, I like the orange lighting going around, and up, the tower.

combusean

Jun 29, 2011, 2:44 AM

SunDevil

Jun 29, 2011, 4:14 AM

Downtown Live appears to be some web property owned by US Airways Center for their marketing purposes.

I think, but am not certain it's better than "Legends Entertainment District" because that truthfully sounds like something in Tucson or Scottsdale.

Makes me think of the new B1G. Seriously, going to 12 team, keeping the Big 10 name, re-branding (sort of as B1G) and diving between legends and leaders. Makes me laugh. About as much as I laugh at Legends Entertainment District.

phxSUNSfan

Jun 29, 2011, 7:19 AM

Downtown Live is a U.S. Airways Center/Suns/Mercury/etc marketing mechanism:
http://www.downtownlive.net/main/

The lights, signs and digital scrolls make a huge difference on the appearance of CityScape; it completely dresses up the drab exterior of the building on an important corner (1st Ave and Jefferson). They needed to start this project yesterday. It would have left a much better impression on visitors and residents who aren't often in downtown but make it out for the All Star Game/Fan Fest...

renone

Jun 29, 2011, 8:47 PM

There is a sign on the front door of Oakville that confirms it opens tomorrow at 10:00am. I also walked by tiled kilt. There looked to be 100 people in the restaurant eating, but the doors were locked. Must be a test of the kitchen or something. The inside looks great.

HX_Guy

Jun 29, 2011, 9:05 PM

Oakville Grocery to open at CityScape

3 comments Jun. 29, 2011 12:30 PM
The Arizona Republic

PHOENIX - Oakville Grocery, 50 W. Jefferson St., opens 7 a.m. Thursday at the CityScape development downtown.

As part of its opening, the store donated 600 bottles of water to benefit St. Mary's Food Bank. The first 100 people to donate $5 for the water drive will receive a $10 gift certificate to the store. Cases of bottled water can be dropped off at the store through Tuesday.

The 10,000-square-foot urban grocery has a coffee and bakery bar, deli, wine bar, three beers on tap and produce, meats, cheeses, pastas, dairy, snacks, beverages and sundry goods. Hours are 7 a.m.-9 p.m. Monday through Saturday, 10 a.m.-5 p.m. Sunday.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/06/29/20110629oakville-grocery-open-cityscape-phoenix.html#ixzz1QhXnj0PP

AZScraper

Jun 29, 2011, 10:40 PM

Had fun walking around. The wine bar sounds good, you can try the wine b4 you buy. :cheers:
http://i56.tinypic.com/v7cd5h.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/1z1421t.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2lacyvd.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/bgedf7.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/zilh8g.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/1ru876.jpg

Vicelord John

Jun 29, 2011, 10:50 PM

I don't see that product line being too extremely popular around here....

Sorry, I just don't see it.

westbev93

Jun 29, 2011, 11:37 PM

Who doesn't buy a cheese wheel and a 6-pack to take back to the office after lunch?

HooverDam

Jun 30, 2011, 12:12 AM

I don't see that product line being too extremely popular around here....

Sorry, I just don't see it.

Agreed. If it works it'll be because people staying at the Palomar, Westin, etc have to use it b/c there's nothing else around and they more or less have to pay for over priced stuff. If you live in Encanto, Willo, Roosevelt, FQ Story, etc. why would you go to Oakville? AJs in Uptown Plaza is just as close, has a vastly superior selection, competitive pricing, easier parking, is easier to get to, and above all if you shop they're you're buying local (something Central PHX people are likely to be more conscious of than suburbanites).

EDIT: VVV haha whoops, I didn't even see that post of yours. Great minds I guess.....

...or maybe I did see it, forgot, and it was in my brain subliminally.

Vicelord John

Jun 30, 2011, 12:31 AM

If you live in Encanto, Willo, Roosevelt, FQ Story, etc. why would you go to Oakville? AJs in Uptown Plaza is just as close, has a vastly superior selection, competitive pricing, easier parking, is easier to get to, and above all if you shop they're you're buying local (something Central PHX people are likely to be more conscious of than suburbanites).

you sound like me from the top of this page, lol.

I won't say if I will/wont shop here before going into the place, but I'd say I kinda doubt it.

gymratmanaz

Jun 30, 2011, 12:43 AM

Go for that $10 card!!! :)

SunDevil

Jun 30, 2011, 2:16 AM

:shrug: If they allowed open containers in the public space area of Cityscape, I'd buy a sixer to split with a friend and hang out before a game.

Vicelord John

Jun 30, 2011, 5:17 AM

:shrug: If they allowed open containers in the public space area of Cityscape, I'd buy a sixer to split with a friend and hang out before a game.

Do it anyway. Who cares what the "rules" are?

HX_Guy

Jul 2, 2011, 12:03 AM

Cityscape put up a bunch of photos of Oakville on their Facebook page.
It looks pretty grocery-ish...and busy too...

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269613_250622941618899_118100984871096_1200409_3762810_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/261738_250622894952237_118100984871096_1200408_3386542_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270883_250622648285595_118100984871096_1200401_6494071_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270933_250623411618852_118100984871096_1200423_8245546_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268753_250623364952190_118100984871096_1200422_404948_n.jpg

I love this stuff, tastes awesome!
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/262653_250623321618861_118100984871096_1200420_896893_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269968_250622984952228_118100984871096_1200411_4315236_n.jpg

dtnphx

Jul 2, 2011, 9:03 PM

Those photos are great. I think the concept looks promising since they are carrying a selection like that. Much better than expected.

Vicelord John

Jul 2, 2011, 9:20 PM

I went to Oakville this morning to get coffee and decided to purchase a package of Orbig Wintermint gum, it wen't like this.

Me: *places gum on counter*
Girl at register: That'll be $2.91 please.
Me: no, I only want one packet of gum, thank you though.
girl: It's $2.69 plus tax
Me: ................
girl: do you want it?
Me: No, I'm going to CVS

I purchased the item at CVS for $1.19 plus tax. I'm not sure Oakville will do so well when they are charging twice the price of their next door neighbors, or anyone else for that matter.

HX_Guy

Jul 2, 2011, 11:23 PM

Stopped by Cityscape and Oakville this morning and generally liked what I saw. It's definitely not a grocery store where you would do your weekly shopping but it has all the staples and if great for if you run out of milk or bread or toilet paper, and yes, they even have Charmin Ultra. :D Definitely has a city vibe to it with the small shopping carts and small quantity of items, but it does seems to have a little of everything.

I also like how they left the windows on Jefferson and on Central so you can view inside instead of putting up graphics like CVS did.

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/2.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/3.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/4.jpg

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http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/7.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/8.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/9.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/10.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/11.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/12.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/13.jpg

pbenjamin

Jul 2, 2011, 11:26 PM

Not quite as useless as I expected. They had Pepsi 36-packs for $6.99. They had several varieties of mustard, all gourmet stuff, sometime you just want French's. I guess that CVS would have it. The produce was promising in terms of selection, you could put together the makings of a salad. All the lettuce was in containers though. I think I would end up relying on CVS for basics like catfood/litter, paper products, cleaning products, etc. I still think a Fresh and Easy or Trader Joe's would do better there.

HX_Guy

Jul 2, 2011, 11:30 PM

I don't know if downtown is really ready to support a full on grocery store like a Fresh & Easy. Oakvile may work because they will rely heavily on the lunch crowd as well going to eat there...about half the place is setup to order food ready to eat while the other half is grocery.

gymratmanaz

Jul 3, 2011, 3:35 PM

The good thing is that between CVS and Oakville, you can cover most needs.

phxSUNSfan

Jul 3, 2011, 5:41 PM

Don't forget about the Public Market. Love that grass fed beef and other "organic" cuts (chicken, pork) that are available there.

HooverDam

Jul 4, 2011, 12:46 AM

HX_Guy I want to thank you for your construction update photos. We haven't had any in a long while and it does a homesick soul good :)

HX_Guy

Jul 4, 2011, 1:31 AM

No problem man. I hadn't done one in a while and kind of missed it, even though it was hot as shit.

Buckeye Native 001

Jul 4, 2011, 5:57 AM

Was it as humid down there as it was up north?

And I know to a Bostonian, us complaining about the humidity is downright hilarious (I grew up in Ohio, I know what "real" humidity feels like), but when its bone dry most of the year, you definitely notice the difference... ;)

azcats

Jul 4, 2011, 7:57 PM

I live 400 miles away...
...I log onto this site ...because you guys do a great job with photos - they look professional. Look great! Appreciate all the different shots of the new buildings...the update photos, etc. Keep showing photos...Thanks.

AZScraper

Jul 7, 2011, 4:08 PM

Pouring concrete and going higher this morning...
http://i54.tinypic.com/vzbz4n.jpg:ohyeah

Tempe_Duck

Jul 7, 2011, 6:09 PM

Pouring concrete and going higher this morning...
:ohyeah

I thought it was topped out? Has anyone seen any new permits?

HX_Guy

Jul 7, 2011, 6:44 PM

The elevator core is topped out at 11 floors but the actually hotel floors has been at #9 for a while.

phoenixwillrise

Jul 7, 2011, 7:36 PM

That vinyl signage on the south elevation is extremely tacky. Nice sign criteria City Scape, did some Nogales Sign Company write it for you?

Tempe_Duck

Jul 7, 2011, 8:45 PM

The elevator core is topped out at 11 floors but the actually hotel floors has been at #9 for a while.

Damn, AZScraper got me excited.

combusean

Jul 7, 2011, 8:46 PM

^ I had seen that as well. I assumed it's temporary (?) but that's just the part of me that refuses to accept how lame things can be here.

HX_Guy

Jul 7, 2011, 10:35 PM

You guys are talking about the signage here, right?

Call me crazy but I kind of like it. I like the mix with the other signs.

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly22011/1.jpg

phoenixwillrise

Jul 7, 2011, 10:54 PM

You don't think that vinyl or flat plex signage on the South Elevation that says Tilted Kilt looks tacky when you have the same layout internally illuminated with 5" depth right around the corner from it? It's so wrong on several levels as in inconsistent, overkill, and just plain tacky.

HX_Guy

Jul 7, 2011, 10:56 PM

Nope. :)

Honestly when I saw it the first time (while taking the picture), I thought...hey, that's kind of cool how they mixed it up with the signage like that. I have no problems with it.

Maybe it just so very slightly reminded me of how they used to paint signage directly onto brick buildings...always liked that.

nickw252

Jul 8, 2011, 2:44 AM

I've been to Oakville twice now - once last weekend and we picked up some deli meats and cheeses. The prices really weren't that bad especially considering that it is organic and high quality food.

The whole place was pretty busy. I especially like that they validate parking since I work in the Capitol Mall and have to drive there to get everything done on my lunch hour.

Classical in Phoenix

Jul 8, 2011, 4:51 PM

I like the Tilted Kilt signage also.

plinko

Jul 8, 2011, 5:16 PM

Vicelord John

Jul 8, 2011, 6:22 PM

The difference in the signage type wouldn't bother me so much if it was for different tenants. But since it's the exact same sign (just a different type), it looks like a mistake (or that they cheaped out).

It's obvious to me they put the money in the most visible sign (the one visible from Washington and everything east) and skimped on the one that isn't visible from anywhere except south on first. You can't see that south one from Jefferson if you're traveling east.

HX_Guy

Jul 9, 2011, 2:02 AM

Breakfast Club build out permit was issued today. 144 occupants.

HX_Guy

Jul 9, 2011, 9:57 PM

Another level is up...is it me or is this floor taller than the ones below?

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly92011/1.jpg

http://nitnelav.com/DTJuly92011/2.jpg

nickw252

Jul 9, 2011, 10:29 PM

Nevermind.

Vicelord John

Jul 10, 2011, 12:33 AM

Nevermind.

cool story, bro!

gymratmanaz

Jul 10, 2011, 6:57 AM

Seems taller to me too, HX!!!

renone

Jul 11, 2011, 8:15 PM

They are adding more re-rod to the elevator core right now, but it looks different than it did before. As mentioned, it looks taller than previous floors. Hopefully this doesn't mean they are topping out, but they are definitely working on the core today.

HX_Guy

Jul 11, 2011, 8:24 PM

Pics man! Pics! :D

plinko

Jul 11, 2011, 8:39 PM

It would make sense that the last floor or two (penthouse floors) of the hotel would have taller plates.

I wouldn't get too excited about this being part of an upper tower. HX certainly would have notified us about a permit...

gymratmanaz

Jul 11, 2011, 10:02 PM

HX and i were downtown just a few minutes ago. We are thinking they are capping the hotel. We looked at rebar and all. It is looking like they are finishing the 11th floor and adding up to a utility floor above. Of course, all hope are that we are wrong and they will change and move forward on more, but we might have to get used to just a cool hotel, which is pretty awesome considering things!!!!!

Phxguy

Jul 11, 2011, 10:55 PM

I was also down there earlier today does anyone know what the protest was about? Can't say much for the hotel though, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

HX_Guy

Jul 12, 2011, 12:06 AM

Ok, so took a couple (crappy) pics today and compared them to one from the past when they were still working on building the core higher.

They look...the same? Right? Chris and I thought they looked as though they would be the last onces since they are squared off at the top but that's how they looked in the past as well.

Old pic...
http://nitnelav.com/CSRebar1.jpg

Today...
http://nitnelav.com/CSRebar2.jpg
http://nitnelav.com/CSRebar3.jpg

gymratmanaz

Jul 12, 2011, 12:28 AM

Fingers crossed!!! -still. :)

Either way, it sure looks like the elevator core is up to 12 stories plus a little more.

HX_Guy

Jul 12, 2011, 12:41 AM

Chipotle building permit issued today.

renone

Jul 13, 2011, 4:25 PM

They are pouring the concrete into the forms for the next level now, I guess we will find out soon if they are going to keep building up or cap it. Should be interesting.

Vicelord John

Jul 13, 2011, 5:52 PM

I went to Copper Blues last night. Coooooool place. Didn't eat just watched the band and drank beer. They have some really good beers on draft.

gymratmanaz

Jul 13, 2011, 5:53 PM

Been a handful of times. Really good bands too! Love my hard cider on tap!!!!!

Vicelord John

Jul 13, 2011, 5:55 PM

Been a handful of times. Really good bands too! Love my hard cider on tap!!!!!

yeah the band last night was fantastic. They played nothing but covers, mostly older songs. It's hard to find Lost Abbey on draft here so that was nice to see.

gymratmanaz

Jul 13, 2011, 6:06 PM

might have to stop in again tonight. YUM!!

HX_Guy

Jul 13, 2011, 7:17 PM

Oh snap! We've got something here people...

Permit# RVSN-0705627-14 Issue Date Expires 7/12/12
Permit Description PALOMAR HOTEL - CITYSCAPE
Description/Scope of Work: COMMERCIAL NEW
***REVISION***
STRUCTURAL MODIFICATION FOR FUTURE EXPANSION ABOVE HOTEL.

Don't know if "future" means like soon, in the next few months, or "future" as in years down the road, but at least it's something showing they plan on building on top of the hotel!

Crispy

Jul 13, 2011, 7:30 PM

Agree with the comments on Copper Blues. Went there on Saturday and was really impressed. Solid Beer selection although I would prefer a few more IPA's. Really cool view from the bar on the patio area. Band was pretty impressive and the place was packed.

plinko

Jul 13, 2011, 7:44 PM

Oh snap! We've got something here people...

Don't know if "future" means like soon, in the next few months, or "future" as in years down the road, but at least it's something showing they plan on building on top of the hotel!

Any further information available HX?

What this means is that they've figured out exactly what will eventually be built on top of the hotel, traced all of the revised structural loads, and now are making modifications to the top hotel columns and braces to accommodate those future loads.

They would have to pull a revision to the existing building permit in order to do this (as shown by HX). I would assume then that any new tower on top would have a new permit (at some yet unknown future date).

So at least we know they've figured the building out and are physically planning for future expansion. Time will tell if it ever happens.

Anybody have a contact at the architect's office (or structural engineer) or at RED to find out what they've decided? Even if they can't tell us (yet), maybe somebody could find out the planned height and/or number of floors. I'll bet the concrete contractor knows.

HX_Guy

Jul 13, 2011, 7:47 PM

I'm hearing apartments! :banana:

Urban Rising

Jul 13, 2011, 8:33 PM

I'm also hearing apartments. Not exactly what I hoped for, but is better than nothing.

Granted I'm still only cautiously optimistic until I hear that financing is in place.

Vicelord John

Jul 13, 2011, 8:38 PM

I'm also hearing apartments. Not exactly what I hoped for, but is better than nothing.

that's best case scenario. why is it not what you hoped for?

wtf did you hope for?

HX_Guy

Jul 13, 2011, 8:52 PM

I'm also hearing apartments. Not exactly what I hoped for, but is better than nothing.

Really? That's the best case scenario in my opinion.

Office is nice, but people leave downtown after work so it doesn't actually help with the 5:00+ ghost town.

Condos are good too, but in this market, they would probably stay empty a long time.

Apartments have the best chance of actually getting filled with people...people that actually stay downtown, which is the #1 thing we need in my opinion.
Hell, they will probably get half filled with the students at the newly moved Law School across the street. :)

Edit: BTW...have you heard anything on number of units/floors?

Vicelord John

Jul 13, 2011, 9:03 PM

Really? That's the best case scenario in my opinion.

Office is nice, but people leave downtown after work so it doesn't actually help with the 5:00+ ghost town.

Condos are good too, but in this market, they would probably stay empty a long time.

Apartments have the best chance of actually getting filled with people...people that actually stay downtown, which is the #1 thing we need in my opinion.
Hell, they will probably get half filled with the students at the newly moved Law School across the street. :)

Edit: BTW...have you heard anything on number of units/floors?

remember how fast Alta filled up???

notice how different that area feels now? Alta is supporting retail on the north side of the building pretty much on its own. If we could get 150 units at cityscape, I'd shit.

PHX31

Jul 13, 2011, 9:17 PM

Apartments have the best chance of actually getting filled with people...people that actually stay downtown, which is the #1 thing we need in my opinion.
Hell, they will probably get half filled with the students at the newly moved Law School across the street. :)

Edit: BTW...have you heard anything on number of units/floors?

Wasn't there originally supposed to be Apartments above the Lucky Strike/5 Guys/etc. building portion? Didn't that get axed for lack of something (funding? probability? Interest?)? Do you remember how many apts there were supposed to be, or at least the area of the footprint of the old apartments and the number of stories... maybe that can be related to the current footprint of the palomar to figure out how many more stories it might have.

HX_Guy

Jul 13, 2011, 9:35 PM

The apartments that were originally planned to go above the retail on Patriot's Square were axed because Renaissance One owns the air right or something like that...RED wasn't allowed to build anything that obstructed their office views. Or at least that was the story of why it didn't happen. They may have also been a bit afraid if it would work or not...but now seeing the success of Alta and 44 Monroe, I think they feel it's not as much of a risk as they originally thought.

Urban Rising

Jul 13, 2011, 9:52 PM

PHX31

Jul 13, 2011, 9:56 PM

/\ Rumors on the number of units/number of floors? What are the rumors?

nickw252

Jul 13, 2011, 10:38 PM

Where will parking for apartments be? Is there that much in the garage below the hotel? We all know that nothing can survive in Phoenix without tons of parking spaces.

HX_Guy

Jul 13, 2011, 10:53 PM

My concern with apartments has not so much to do with what would be best for downtown, but with the developers relative experience in constructing them. RED is known primarily for their strip center retail. I am concerned with their ability to bring the product to market.

I do believe that more full time residents in downtown is exactly what would be best for the city and future development. It's just me being guarded against let down. I just personally feel that apartments with the goal of turning them into condos combined with it being RED makes it less likely to get done. In addition what will it look like? I have heard rumors, but will it pencil?

I can see your concern but in their defense, they were able to get a pretty nice office tower up and the hotel is going up.

Vicelord John

Jul 13, 2011, 11:09 PM

Where will parking for apartments be? Is there that much in the garage below the hotel? We all know that nothing can survive in Phoenix without tons of parking spaces.

There must be 9 stories of parking underneath that building. The hole was huge.

Leo the Dog

Jul 13, 2011, 11:31 PM

Apartments at Cityscape? This is great news!

Maybe Oakville will survive after-all...?

Vicelord John

Jul 13, 2011, 11:43 PM

Apartments at Cityscape? This is great news!

Maybe Oakville will survive after-all...?

it's not great news because there isn't any news. We are just speculating at this point.

dtnphx

Jul 13, 2011, 11:45 PM

My concern with apartments has not so much to do with what would be best for downtown, but with the developers relative experience in constructing them. RED is known primarily for their strip center retail. I am concerned with their ability to bring the product to market.

I do believe that more full time residents in downtown is exactly what would be best for the city and future development. It's just me being guarded against let down. I just personally feel that apartments with the goal of turning them into condos combined with it being RED makes it less likely to get done. In addition what will it look like? I have heard rumors, but will it pencil?

Real people living right there is a boon, no matter who is building/managing. If RED has only done shopping centers (which is not entirely true), the fact that they've done Cityscape with a pretty good retail/office and hotel component, there's no reason why it shouldn't work out. The fact that the retail portion looks meh, doesn't take away from the fact that the retail mix is very good.

renone

Jul 14, 2011, 6:40 PM

Other than the last floor looking like it is taller than the ones beneath it, everything looks the same as before in what they are doing today. Rebar looks the same and thay have a ton og guys working on it like they used to. The tower crane is going non-stop. Hopefully they just keep going up....

Tito714

Jul 14, 2011, 9:58 PM

Went to cityscape today and saw lots of movement as well, I thought that the elevator core looked a bit taller but that's jsut me. It wasn't hot at all though I went at around 1:30 and it was pleasant outside for it being July, took some pics as well not of best quality but it is what it is.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh296/otrebmuh1991/100_2133.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh296/otrebmuh1991/100_2120.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh296/otrebmuh1991/100_2119.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh296/otrebmuh1991/100_2117.jpg

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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh296/otrebmuh1991/100_2113.jpg

PhxDowntowner

Jul 14, 2011, 10:02 PM

nickw252

Jul 14, 2011, 10:30 PM

Is it just me or is the driver of that Dodge Ram waaaaaay too far up and almost hitting the train? I hate cars that block pedestrian walkaways.

Tito714

Jul 14, 2011, 10:38 PM

yeah he actually back up shortly before the train came and the train was ringing it's bells like crazy.lol

Vicelord John

Jul 14, 2011, 10:38 PM

Is it just me or is the driver of that Dodge Ram waaaaaay too far up and almost hitting the train? I hate cars that block pedestrian walkaways.

well I'm sure that's why his reverse lights are on. :haha:

renone

Jul 15, 2011, 5:29 PM

y'all realize that all you've gotta do is ask a construction guy on the site and he can (and will) usually tell you all sorts information about their plans. Unless all the guesswork is fun, which I suspect it kind of is.

I think people ask the workers all of the time, but their information is, at best, outdated. Wasn't someone told by a worker that the tower crane would be removed by July 1?

gymratmanaz

Jul 16, 2011, 11:54 AM

Just thought I would check in. I am in NYC, but am keeping up with the good info from here for the next 2 weeks.

I had a thought before leaving, as per the higher floor level on the last floor we saw added to the hotel, wasn't there an open air break between the hotel and the condos or whatever above it? Could this be that break in the old rendering, or is it just a change to a higher floor height level??? Thoughts?

nickw252

Jul 16, 2011, 4:25 PM

Couldn't they also just be building the hotel but leaving the top structurally ready to add floors in the future is need be? That's what they did with the Phoenix Financial Center on Central Avenue:

10 Flo0rs:
http://www.modernphoenix.net/images/financialcentersky.jpg

18 Floors:
http://jasonhilldesign.com/JHD.Punchcard.jpg

http://www.midcenturybanks.com/media/k2/items/cache/2ff2ba0051687eef5ca0459cf942940c_L.jpg

Leo the Dog

Jul 17, 2011, 3:09 PM

Vicelord John

Jul 17, 2011, 4:16 PM

Just read on AZCentral about a fight the erupted into a shooting in front of CityScape (Washington/1st st) that left 3 men with life-threatening injuries.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/16/20110716phoenix-triple-shooting-brk.html

It was actually in the alleyway between Matador (gangster cholo club on Friday nights) and Sky Lounge/602/Bar Smith (cholo clubs on friday nights.)

It's about the 4th or 5th time that has happened since I moved into the neighborhood. It's always the same shit, some monkey hits on some other monkey's girlfriend and he gets his homies and a big fight breaks out, the bouncers kick them out and then one of them goes to get a gun and pow pow pow three monkeys dead.

Just one of the many reasons I wish all three of those businesses on Washington would cease to exist. I'd rather have empty storefronts than the crap that is there now.

combusean

Jul 18, 2011, 5:09 AM

You sure Bar Smith belongs in that list?

Vicelord John

Jul 18, 2011, 6:05 AM

You sure Bar Smith belongs in that list?

Absolutely. I've been there to experience the ghetto-fest first hand.

floc34

Jul 18, 2011, 6:29 AM

Bar Smith and Silver use to be ok, but now that entire row PHX, Bar Smith, Sky and Silver ..... at times are all ghetto fabulous :cheers:

Vicelord John

Jul 18, 2011, 6:55 AM

Good call. I forgot about silver. Horrible places. I'll go to a slightly ghetto place but those are over the top.

nickw252

Jul 21, 2011, 2:21 AM

Any new chatter?

I just looked on the Palomar website and they had this:

Palomar Phoenix
A 250-room Hotel Palomar is planned for a 2012 opening in the downtown Phoenix area in a new mixed-use development called CityScape. Kimpton Hotels & Restaurants will operate the new luxury boutique hotel in a 34-story tower at One South Central that will also include approximately 200 luxury residential condominium units, plus lower-level retail. The new Palomar will anchor one end of CityScape, which includes the office tower, the Hotel Palomar and a retail plaza. Kimpton opened its first hotel in the Phoenix area with the Firesky Resort & Spa. The Hotel Palomar will be an experience in modern, yet timeless style and sophistication, and pay homage to the city's arts and cultural communities.

http://www.kimptonhotels.com/development/future-development.aspx

I certainly don't think they are the most up to date but at least it doesn't say it will be in an 11 story commercial building.

For what it's worth, I can now see the elevator shaft from my office in the Capitol Mall. It had previously been blocked by what I believe to be the Calvin C. Goode Building.