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[fenwick16]

The stone would be pockmarked with holes from the reinforcing bars they added some years ago so I wonder if it has any value now.


There seems to be numerous companies that can restore marble, however, whether or not it would be economically feasible is another question. If it could be restored at a reasonable price, then I wonder why the marble can't be reinstalled with all new fasteners at a reasonable price.

Looking at the Ralston Building site, it looks like a company could restore the building and still have a substantial amount of land to build some new on.

[Ziobrop]

A lot of work happening on the Ralston Building. My understanding is they are removing the stone cladding to prepare the building for sale.

Let's hope it doesn't remain with this ugly corrugated metal for long.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2937/32948075643_ba702e9f3d_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ScvuZH)20170330_124822 (https://flic.kr/p/ScvuZH) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

oh dear god.
i didnt think the metal they put on could get worse - but yep, it did.
sadly if they feds sell it - whoever buys it will likely keep it clad in siding and rent it out.

[musicman]

Speechless. Wow.

[Colin May]

When asked why metal siding was being affixed to a registered federal building Prime Minister Justin Trudeau replied "Because it's 1977"

[robotropolis]

What do you all think about the patio season being shut down on Argyle for street improvements? It seems like a darn shame to me. Not sure why they couldn't do this in the spring and fall. (PS I wasn't on board with any previous crybabying about the Nova Centre but this does seem wrong).

[Phalanx]

What do you all think about the patio season being shut down on Argyle for street improvements? It seems like a darn shame to me. Not sure why they couldn't do this in the spring and fall. (PS I wasn't on board with any previous crybabying about the Nova Centre but this does seem wrong).

I'm assuming it's just a matter of timing - Nova Centre construction obstacles on Argyle probably out of the way before they can start/finish.

Hopefully there's some type of compensation package on this one.

[terrynorthend]

A lot of work happening on the Ralston Building. My understanding is they are removing the stone cladding to prepare the building for sale.

Let's hope it doesn't remain with this ugly corrugated metal for long.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2937/32948075643_ba702e9f3d_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ScvuZH)20170330_124822 (https://flic.kr/p/ScvuZH) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

DFO called. They want their siding back.

[kph06]

I'm assuming it's just a matter of timing - Nova Centre construction obstacles on Argyle probably out of the way before they can start/finish.

Hopefully there's some type of compensation package on this one.

I'd say the compensation is the expense the city is going to make this street a unique attraction.

Timing is a tough one with the shorter construction season here. The fall is probably off the table as that's when cruise ship season is in full swing and the university's are back.

[someone123]

I'd say the compensation is the expense the city is going to make this street a unique attraction.

I don't have a crystal ball but based on similar transformations in other cities, and what Argyle used to be like, I think there is going to be a night-and-day improvement for the better. When it is all done I doubt many people will really pine for downtown Halifax circa 2004.

The media like to cast businesses as victims when it comes to construction but that view often doesn't make sense.

If you're a building owner, you're likely to eventually profit from improvements made to the area. If you're a tenant, you have some freedom to move around or you might be able to negotiate a lower rate from your landlord (if it really is so bad you will go out of business, they will want to keep you because renting out during construction is hard).

The complaints about rising market lease rates are similar. Businesses lock in their rates for years; the increases don't come out of nowhere. Sometimes you have to move.

I think a lot of the complaints are based on unrealistic expectations that developed during a long period of stagnation downtown.

[Drybrain]

I think a lot of the complaints are based on unrealistic expectations that developed during a long period of stagnation downtown.

And, I think many of the complaints are from people who think Argyle came into its own ten or more years ago, and any deviation from that is necessarily bad. Like, it's too bad about the Shoe Shop, but it wasn't a good restaurant by any means. The Syperek empire, such as it is, could very much use a refresh.

And anyway, the Shoe Shop is going to be taken over by Toothy Moose, so clearly some businesses are feeling optimistic.

[OldDartmouthMark]

:previous:

I think the outcome will be net positive. Unfortunately there will be some growing pains but in 3 or 4 years we'll probably look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.

[Phalanx]

Don't get me wrong, I think the streetscaping will be a huge net positive, it just extends the major disruptions in the area by another season without any 'recovery time' in between.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out, and would like to see some of the other streetscaping plans that were in the works over the last couple of years actually come to fruition (Spring Garden and Quinpool in particular)

[robotropolis]

I agree that it will be a long term net positive to have the street revamped but the timing just seems horrible after waiting so long for the nova centre to be finished.

[OldDartmouthMark]

I can appreciate that, and do feel bad for the business owners. If the Nova Centre is a success and actually improves the area, then hopefully we will be able to look back and see that it was a painful but necessary step in the evolution of the downtown. :2cents:

[Jonovision]

Just in case we miss it in its current state.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3894/33751283831_205ec8add3_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tqu9NK)20170405_162738 (https://flic.kr/p/Tqu9NK) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

[Jonovision]

New infill development at 54 Wentworth St in downtown Dartmouth. Abbot Brown is the architect. They are rehabilitating the old Bell building and adding a few floors to create Bell Lofts.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2916/33880977385_feb61f4fb2_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TBWSbv)Bell Lofts (https://flic.kr/p/TBWSbv) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr From the architects instagram account.

This little model is on display at the Nova Scotia Association of Architects office on Barrington and Bishop.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2903/33495840910_32cf7884a3_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T2UWws)20170406_155023 (https://flic.kr/p/T2UWws) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

[someone123]

I hope there's a solution for maximizing the availability of patio space along Argyle when the streetscape work is done.

The forecast for Halifax says +12 and sunny Monday. I bet the patios won't be open, and the public gardens probably won't be open either. The reality of Halifax weather is that there are a lot of one-off nice days in the winter, spring, and fall, and also crappy days in the middle of the relatively short summer season. It is not like some other cities where it is +30 or -30 for months on end, or where you can reliably predict what it will be like on a given day of the year.

Here in Vancouver there are a lot of patios open year-round. The winters are milder but the more important differences are that the patios are often better-designed and that people enjoy sitting outside even in single digits. Covered patios are nice in rain or snow. In Vancouver, the year-round patios are covered, have heaters, windbreaks, and often give out blankets (personally, I find that kind of gross, but some people like it).

If Bier Markt does open in the Nova Centre or Maple maybe they'll build an example of a really good patio, and people in Halifax will learn to love them for a much greater portion of the year.

Another minor observation is that maybe bad weather will have less of an impact on downtown businesses since there will be more of a local population. If it's snowing you're not going to bother driving downtown from Bedford to go out to dinner, but you'll still walk a couple blocks. A lot of Barrington business owners complain that shoppers disappear over the winter months.

[someone123]

New infill development at 54 Wentworth St in downtown Dartmouth. Abbot Brown is the architect. They are rehabilitating the old Bell building and adding a few floors to create Bell Lofts.

I really like medium-sized projects like this, which are somewhat vertical with a small footprint. I don't have anything against highrises but I think you need these too to make interesting urban neighbourhoods. It's good to see that there are a bunch of projects like this on the go.

I also like to see interesting modern designs rather than bland pseudo-traditional architecture (reconstructions or historic styles can look great but are more expensive to do properly; instead of cheaping out, developers should choose a modern style).

[Drybrain]

That Bell Lofts thing looks great. A thousand percent better than the typical condo or apartment development right now. Is that a for sure thing, or more hypothetical?

[stevencourchene]

What buliding is the bell buliding on wentworth street in down town Dartmouth?

[mleblanc]

What buliding is the bell buliding on wentworth street in down town Dartmouth?
This building here http://i.imgur.com/85Cv5fQ.jpg

[Keith P.]

I happened to be downtown today and was struck by the awful state of Barrington St. For all the talk and supposed effort to resuscitate it over the last few years it is probably as dead as I've ever seen it.

Starting at Scotia Square and heading south, you have construction on the right (which may eventually have some storefronts), the Delta/Barrington Place on the left which offers a restaurant and not much else. The CIBC in the next block is now dead, and beyond that the Foreign Affair, ex-Freak Lunchbox, ex-jeweler, and Menchies storefronts are also vacant now.

Further south the ex-Doull bookstore is vacant and of course the Roy is under construction. Further along the ex-Discovery Center is gone, the storefront at 1592 is still empty next to the dead zone of the Khyber & NFB, and across the street the Green Lantern is ready to come down as well.

Yes, there are a few brave new businesses like the Highwayman and Barrington Steakhouse restos, but one wonders how much longer they can survive on such a barren street. It is really quite depressing given all the attention and talk devoted to it in recent years.

[Colin May]

What buliding is the bell buliding on wentworth street in down town Dartmouth?
The red brick building which has been empty for well over a decade. Bruno also bought adjacent lots on Queen and North. And the Nieforth store.
I hope they are also the purchasers of the old city hall, a deal that is supposed to close by April 30; two previous offers soon vanished.

Downtown Dartmouth is best served by sensitive small projects which don't require large amounts of capital and have low financial risk.

[stevencourchene]

Thanks:)

This building here http://i.imgur.com/85Cv5fQ.jpg

[someone123]

Yes, there are a few brave new businesses like the Highwayman and Barrington Steakhouse restos, but one wonders how much longer they can survive on such a barren street. It is really quite depressing given all the attention and talk devoted to it in recent years.

I went to Stillwell a few months ago when I was in town. I left around 11 pm and it was quite busy. It was probably a Tuesday or Wednesday. I don't know about those others but I don't think every business on Barrington is struggling.

There's not much that can be done about the construction unfortunately. It's badly needed and was effectively deferred for years as the city implemented new planning rules. We won't know what the true positive impact will be until more of the construction is wrapped up. If the Roy attracts a major retail tenant or two (like Urban Outfitters in Espace) that will be a big deal, for example.

[OldDartmouthMark]

I went to Stillwell a few months ago when I was in town. I left around 11 pm and it was quite busy. It was probably a Tuesday or Wednesday. I don't know about those others but I don't think every business on Barrington is struggling.

There's not much that can be done about the construction unfortunately. It's badly needed and was effectively deferred for years as the city implemented new planning rules. We won't know what the true positive impact will be until more of the construction is wrapped up. If the Roy attracts a major retail tenant or two (like Urban Outfitters in Espace) that will be a big deal, for example.

I have to agree.

The construction, while temporarily inconvenient, will result in big improvements in the long run. Not to mention the increased number of residents in the area which will bolster local businesses even more.

Places like the Delta Barrington, the CIBC building and TD building have not changed in many years, so I can't see that as a downturn. The bank buildings have never offered any life to the area other than being a workplace or a place to do banking - no change, nor can we expect change.

Other small businesses come and go, as usual, but I expect that to improve when some of the larger residential projects are complete - the Roy, the Maple, the Green Lantern, the Zellers bldg, all will breathe life into the street with the increased number of residents.

Meanwhile, other businesses continue to thrive along Barrington. Stillwells, as you mentioned, is always busy. Had brunch at Elles Bistro a couple of weeks ago and it was so busy the staff had trouble keeping up. Likewise Urban Outfitters seems to be doing fine, Obladee wine bar seems to get good crowds, The Middle Spoon is a busy spot (along with Noble), The Olde Apothocary, Mezza, Chives, 2 Doors Down all seem to be thriving. This will only improve as construction is completed.

I think if Barrington St. could talk, it would say "the report of my death was an exaggeration"... ;)

[Drybrain]

1592 isn't empty; a spa and salon moved into 1592 about three months ago. Unless it's closed since when I was on the street a few days ago, that space is filled. Lots of other good daytime businesses too: the Weird Harbour cafe (which is awesome and really filled a hole in downtown's coffee offerings), Apothecary, Canook, etc. It's also starting to feel like a legit nighttime destination with the new bars and restaurants.

As for Green Lantern and Roy and Discovery Centre, well, yeah, they're empty, but being developed/renovated for new uses, so I'd certainly say that speaks to a positive trend.

I haven't heard people say much about the death of Barrington in a while. I think it's pretty obviously off of life support and on the recovery path.

[someone123]

I liked some of the old business like J. W. Doull but I think many of them were outdated. Even if Barrington had been busier it would not save those shops because rents would have gone up and they were probably just not generating much money.

There's a general trend in storefront retail toward higher end boutiques (with stuff you don't get on Amazon or at Walmart) plus food and services. That shift has created a lot of turnover that has nothing to do with Barrington per se.

The failure of Barrington has traditionally been that it hasn't attracted the top stores in the city. These are the places that end up in the HSC, e.g. Apple. That problem was never going to be fixed without a major overhaul of the street.

[Duff]

Interesting news story about the Salesforce Tower in San Fran and how they had issues with height limits in the 70s/80s and a tabletop/ flat-top skyline.

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[Keith P.]

Lots of parallels with Halifax - some development downtown occurs, people complain about views, planners and politicians respond with restrictive policies, development stops and you end up with a tabletop. The difference there is that the planners realized the error of their ways and began encouraging height whereas here they are still restricting development unnecessarily by mandating short, stubby, buildings.

[Keith P.]

I haven't heard people say much about the death of Barrington in a while. I think it's pretty obviously off of life support and on the recovery path.

What I saw yesterday looked about as shabby, empty and desolate as I've ever seen it. Some of that is due to construction which in the end should be a good thing. But right now there is little there to draw people to those businesses that are hanging on.

[Jonovision]

Nice renovation on Agricola.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2874/33152659404_61eae5a6fd_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/SvA3BW)20170411_191839 (https://flic.kr/p/SvA3BW) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

[Jonovision]

I thought this was supposed to be a boutique hotel or something but the sign says it will be a distillery.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2914/33995953115_f67d74b792_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TN79sF)20170411_192714 (https://flic.kr/p/TN79sF) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

[Dmajackson]

^It's a boutique motel and distillery. The ground floor and rear will be for the distillery and the boutique motel will be in the "tower".

[Drybrain]

^It's a boutique motel and distillery. The ground floor and rear will be for the distillery and the boutique motel will be in the "tower".

What is boutique MOtel?

[eastcoastal]

Nice renovation on Agricola.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2874/33152659404_61eae5a6fd_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/SvA3BW)20170411_191839 (https://flic.kr/p/SvA3BW) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

Not a fan of all the different lights... some gooseneck... some up/down canisters... some centred on windows... some between... The dark and consistent colours help cover some of those sins. for now.

[Keith P.]

What is the passageway in the middle? Looks too narrow to be a driveway. I concur with the comment re the window differences and light fixture choices.

The boutique motel bit still makes me laugh. Where is their motel parking lot? The car repair shop next door?

[Drybrain]

What is the passageway in the middle? Looks too narrow to be a driveway. I concur with the comment re the window differences and light fixture choices.


If you look at streetview you can see it dates from an earlier renovation. It looks like there were doors leading into apartments inside the passageway. It is weird, though.

[someone123]

If you look at streetview you can see it dates from an earlier renovation. It looks like there were doors leading into apartments inside the passageway. It is weird, though.

Not sure about the history of this particular building but some of those were entryways for horses and carriages.

[Ziobrop]

Not a fan of all the different lights... some gooseneck... some up/down canisters... some centred on windows... some between... The dark and consistent colours help cover some of those sins. for now.

i suspect the goose necks will light a commercial sign.

[Keith P.]

Looking at the photo a second time, it appears the building on the right with the wooden stairs down to the sidewalk is of a unit with the right side of the larger building, while the two doors to the left of the pass-through are for a pair of separate units on that side.

[OldDartmouthMark]

If you look at streetview you can see it dates from an earlier renovation. It looks like there were doors leading into apartments inside the passageway. It is weird, though.

The 2009 view almost looks like they were separate buildings that were joined at some point.

[eastcoastal]

i suspect the goose necks will light a commercial sign.

I hope so.... that would help it feel a little more balanced, I think.

[fenwick16]

I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there is a public meeting on April 20th at the Dartmouth Sportsplex for a 10 storey apartment called Sunset Towers in Dartmouth at this location - https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1OiI7A76rEMnsjXgSiMUNfx4SBeg&ll=44.66835887427363%2C-63.55144293502235&z=19 . The case details are at this link - http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/case20387details.php

[Ziobrop]

This year, I'm organizing the Halifax Jane's Walk which takes place the first weekend in May.

I know everyone here has a huge interest in development, and the history of the city, and i'd like to extend an invitation to all of you to lead a walk. walks are about the "experience of the city" and are meant to be a "walking conversation" so i want to encourage all points of views and themes, not just development and history.

if your interested, drop me an email, ziobrop@gmail.com

[Jonovision]

The new Canteen renovations in Dartmouth have turned out really well. I'm happy to see a number of small renovations and infill projects coming to the downtown on the other side of the harbour.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2891/34144269556_c02bf26fcb_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/U2diLG)20170420_134225_HDR (https://flic.kr/p/U2diLG) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

[counterfactual]

I'm surprised this idiocy by the MacNeil Government hasn't yet been discussed on here:


Halifax advised province against outpatient clinic's Bayers Lake location
http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/archives/2017/04/27/halifax-advised-province-against-outpatient-clinics-bayers-lake-location

[OldDartmouthMark]

I'm surprised this idiocy by the MacNeil Government hasn't yet been discussed on here:


Halifax advised province against outpatient clinic's Bayers Lake location
http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/archives/2017/04/27/halifax-advised-province-against-outpatient-clinics-bayers-lake-location

It was discussed, more or less, in the thread at this link (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=228001).

[worldlyhaligonian]

I'm surprised this idiocy by the MacNeil Government hasn't yet been discussed on here:


Halifax advised province against outpatient clinic's Bayers Lake location
http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/archives/2017/04/27/halifax-advised-province-against-outpatient-clinics-bayers-lake-location

Also, its stupid/ironic that Access Nova Scotia is out there. Which government did that happen under?

[Keith P.]

Also, its stupid/ironic that Access Nova Scotia is out there. Which government did that happen under?

Dippers, I believe.

[counterfactual]

Also, its stupid/ironic that Access Nova Scotia is out there. Which government did that happen under?

NDP.

All Nova Scotia Governments are filled with morons.

Most, like the present Government, are filled with MLAs that resent/dislike Halifax, as parties are constituted by MLAs from other parts of Nova Scotia.

[fenwick16]

NDP.

All Nova Scotia Governments are filled with morons.

Most, like the present Government, are filled with MLAs that resent/dislike Halifax, as parties are constituted by MLAs from other parts of Nova Scotia.

Once Halifax has a majority of the Nova Scotia population then hopefully they will have a majority of the MLAs.

[q12]

Once Halifax has a majority of the Nova Scotia population then hopefully they will have a majority of the MLAs.

26 out of the 51 electoral districts already are in (or have a portion in) or border the Halifax Regional Municipality.

http://electionsnovascotia.ca/sites/default/files/ED2012ofNS_20160421.pdf

[counterfactual]

Once Halifax has a majority of the Nova Scotia population then hopefully they will have a majority of the MLAs.

This is my hope as well.

But I suspect there will be a few steps backwards if the Government reviews the "minority" ridings decisions; suspect Halifax will lose seats in order to give back any the lost Acadian and other "lost" ridings.

One day, you'll be able to elect a Government based on Halifax alone. And we may finally get competent Government in this Province at that point.

Until then, it's moronic, anti-Halifax people MacNeil and Delorey.

26 out of the 51 electoral districts already are in (or have a portion in) or border the Halifax Regional Municipality.

http://electionsnovascotia.ca/sites/default/files/ED2012ofNS_20160421.pdf

26? Who are you counting? I'm guessing "or border" is the operative word here. Eastern Shore, Hants East, Hants West, Colchester, all border HRM districts but are massive rural ridings.

[worldlyhaligonian]

NDP.

All Nova Scotia Governments are filled with morons.

Most, like the present Government, are filled with MLAs that resent/dislike Halifax, as parties are constituted by MLAs from other parts of Nova Scotia.

Thanks for the info. There should be a requirement for an Access Nova Scotia in the Nova Centre... I mean, it is called the Nova Centre and its centrally located. This would be especially good if they have trouble filling up some of the office space.

Its completely crazy to have the Access Nova Scotia locations where they are.

I don't know why they didn't just move to a smaller location inside of the West End mall... which is out of the way for most peninsular residents anyway.

[counterfactual]

Thanks for the info. There should be a requirement for an Access Nova Scotia in the Nova Centre... I mean, it is called the Nova Centre and its centrally located. This would be especially good if they have trouble filling up some of the office space.

Its completely crazy to have the Access Nova Scotia locations where they are.

I don't know why they didn't just move to a smaller location inside of the West End mall... which is out of the way for most peninsular residents anyway.

Because, again, Nova Scotia Governments are run by lazy dimbulbs.

All they think is:

(1) ohhhh rent and land is cheaper in the middle of nowhere -- more money we can save to send to Yarmouth to keep the ferry going (this is important for #5).

(2) as an MLA from <anywhere-but-Halifax>, I hate driving/parking in Halifax for work, why should everything be downtown? Move it to a strip mall in the middle of nowhere like back in my riding in <anywhere-but-Halifax>;

(3) How can we get more votes? Put stuff in the suburbs, which are growing (sort of); notwithstanding infrastructure, congestion, transit issues, regional growth plans, innovation clustering/policy for cities, research connectivity, or sheer stupidity of the move;

(4) How can we benefit our donors with patronage to ensure campaign $$ for the pending election? Ohhh, buy land from donors at a considerable premium in the middle of nowhere, move gov departments there, announce election, expect the good times to roll for campaign contributions from said donors;

(5) Win election. Repeat (no matter what Party).

There are no other considerations. Just stupidity, incompetence, cronyism, and corruption, which pretty much sums up Nova Scotia Government circa 1945 -- Present.

[ns_kid]

The efficacy of façadism as a means of avoiding outright destruction of historic structures has been debated in these pages many times (for example, in the case of the demolition of the former Zellers/Discovery Centre property, or proposed redevelopment of the Royal Bank block).

If it's a subject you're interested in you may want to check out the discussion from CBC's Sunday Edition earlier today. It features two Ontario architects, Christopher Borgal and Catherine Nasmith. While Nasmith is generally less accepting of the practice (she does admit there are times it is better than wholesale destruction) both seem to agree there's a need for more planning to ensure better integration of historic and contemporary architecture.

Listen to the podcast of the program here. (https://podcast-a.akamaihd.net/mp3/podcasts/sundayedition_20170505_90211.mp3) The discussion on façadism begins around the 1:12:45 mark.

[Phalanx]

Or if you want to skip straight to the segment (with accompanying summary)...

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/may-7-2017-the-sunday-edition-with-michael-enright-1.4097864/is-architectural-fa%C3%A7adism-an-abomination-or-a-way-to-preserve-the-beauty-of-the-past-1.4097871

[OldDartmouthMark]

Thanks for that. I enjoyed listening to the discussion and thought that many good points were made.

I found the term "urban taxidermy" to be particularly poignant, as that is essentially what happens to the buildings - the experience of walking through an historic façade and into a modern building does feel somewhat strange and disconnected to most. Nasmith's comment that we have to strive for better outcomes than simply accepting that saving the façade is better than nothing was right on the money IMHO.

Also the point of large corporate retail replacing fine-grained smaller independent shops is a trend that I was relatively unaware of. While it does bring a suburbanish box-store type experience to the residents of the downtown areas, it also wipes out much of the character of the area in the process. Of course, it almost always comes down to the ubiquitous business case that drives this type of development, but the result is the same regardless of financial benefit to those involved.

I'm glad to see that the topic is being discussed openly, and can only hope that this discussion spreads to the Halifax area more completely than it has thus far.

[Jonovision]

Also the point of large corporate retail replacing fine-grained smaller independent shops is a trend that I was relatively unaware of. While it does bring a suburbanish box-store type experience to the residents of the downtown areas, it also wipes out much of the character of the area in the process. Of course, it almost always comes down to the ubiquitous business case that drives this type of development, but the result is the same regardless of financial benefit to those involved.


It was certainly a good discussion. This particular point though can be fixed by using multi story retail. Where the big box/large floorplate stores go on the second level and the ground level is left with the fine grained pattern that makes the street exciting and lively for pedestrians. I believe this type of policy exists withing the Centre Plan.

[Jonovision]

Also noticed this new public art that went in thanks to StarFish Properties.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4175/34404392211_2a7c494333_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Uqcvb4)20170504_194517 (https://flic.kr/p/Uqcvb4) by Jonovision23 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36229421@N02/), on Flickr

[Drybrain]

It was certainly a good discussion. This particular point though can be fixed by using multi story retail. Where the big box/large floorplate stores go on the second level and the ground level is left with the fine grained pattern that makes the street exciting and lively for pedestrians. I believe this type of policy exists withing the Centre Plan.

This is one of the big reasons I hated to see Westwood's Doyle Block-demolition. Architecture aside, I can't imagine the new building having as lively a street presence as the old block, divided into three different buildings and six distinct storefronts of varying sizes.

[OldDartmouthMark]

This is one of the big reasons I hated to see Westwood's Doyle Block-demolition. Architecture aside, I can't imagine the new building having as lively a street presence as the old block, divided into three different buildings and six distinct storefronts of varying sizes.

Agreed. However, now that it has been fully committed the only choice we have is to wait and see.

I won't reiterate my disappointment with this project at this point, I'll only hope that it turns out better than I'm imagining it will. :fingerscrossed:

[OldDartmouthMark]

It was certainly a good discussion. This particular point though can be fixed by using multi story retail. Where the big box/large floorplate stores go on the second level and the ground level is left with the fine grained pattern that makes the street exciting and lively for pedestrians. I believe this type of policy exists withing the Centre Plan.

That seems like a good solution for the issue, and I'm relieved to hear it's included in the Centre Plan. Thanks!

[someone123]

Agreed. However, now that it has been fully committed the only choice we have is to wait and see.

I was very disappointed by the demolition but, taking a step back, the Doyle Block proposal itself is pretty good. I don't think there would have been a lot of complaints about it had it been built on a parking lot. I do agree that the larger monolithic facade and undifferentiated storefronts are a problem. The Vic was pretty successful in avoiding this effect (although the fix is cosmetic; there is still an impact when older, more affordable buildings disappear and ownership is more concentrated amongst a smaller group of landlords).

My hope with the Doyle is that it will attract some larger businesses that wouldn't have otherwise come to the street. It will offer some larger, modern commercial spaces with good visibility in a prime spot.

I am not sure exactly how many people will live there but once the latest projects are completed (Doyle, Pavilion, Margaretta), there won't be any major holes in the main Spring Garden Road area. The population density in that neighbourhood must be considerable. There aren't many areas like that outside of major cities in North America, and even in the bigger cities you don't see finer-grained modern development very often. Most high density neighbourhoods in Canada are just clusters of highrises.

[OldDartmouthMark]

I was very disappointed by the demolition but, taking a step back, the Doyle Block proposal itself is pretty good. I don't think there would have been a lot of complaints about it had it been built on a parking lot. I do agree that the larger monolithic facade and undifferentiated storefronts are a problem. The Vic was pretty successful in avoiding this effect (although the fix is cosmetic; there is still an impact when older, more affordable buildings disappear and ownership is more concentrated amongst a smaller group of landlords).

My hope with the Doyle is that it will attract some larger businesses that wouldn't have otherwise come to the street. It will offer some larger, modern commercial spaces with good visibility in a prime spot.

I am not sure exactly how many people will live there but once the latest projects are completed (Doyle, Pavilion, Margaretta), there won't be any major holes in the main Spring Garden Road area. The population density in that neighbourhood must be considerable. There aren't many areas like that outside of major cities in North America, and even in the bigger cities you don't see finer-grained modern development very often. Most high density neighbourhoods in Canada are just clusters of highrises.

Like you, I would appreciate this development much more had it happened on an empty lot. Likewise I am holding out hope that it will work for the area and be more attractive than the renderings indicate.

I do share your optimism, however I am having a hard time shedding my disappointment that several of the pre-existing structures were not incorporated into a well-thought-out project that accomplished the same goals.

Again, will reserve judgment until it is finished. The Maple has actually exceeded my expectations now that it is down to finish work, and I'm hoping for a similar result here. :2cents:

[bluenoser]

An update on the old Dartmouth City Hall

Former Dartmouth city hall gets a new lease on life
THE CHRONICLE HERALD
Published May 5, 2017 - 5:27pm
Last Updated May 5, 2017 - 6:51pm

After at least two near deals fell through, Dartmouth’s former city hall is about to get a shot at a new lease on life.
Starfish Properties picked the mid-century modern beauty up in a tender bid on April 18 and plans are underway to repurpose 90 Alderney Drive.
...
“We’re going to renovate the building . . . we’re going to get to it quite quickly,” Reznick said in a phone interview from his Toronto office.
“We’ve been doing heritage buildings for quite some time in Halifax. We’re going to continue that process with this building.”
...
"...we want to make it a hub... make it a location that’s exciting to get to and to be at.”


http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1465950-former-dartmouth-city-hall-gets-a-new-lease-on-life

[Dmajackson]

No photos yet but I noticed yesterday on my drive home 3090 Barrington (https://www.google.ca/maps/place/3090+Barrington+St,+Halifax,+NS+B3K+2X5/@44.664723,-63.594443,3a,75y,241.57h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJSt6Dl1kwrj7_VJwmNiSkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4b5a216f1336dcf1:0xf053f957eb7b16dd!8m2!3d44.664482!4d-63.5947845!6m1!1e1) (at Young Street) is being demolished. There are plans for a mid-rise residential building.

[OldDartmouthMark]

An update on the old Dartmouth City Hall



http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1465950-former-dartmouth-city-hall-gets-a-new-lease-on-life

Hey that's great news, actually. I always thought the old Dartmouth City Hall building had a certain mid-century coolness that you don't see much of anymore. I like the idea of repurposing the building into a combination of retail/office, though retail/residential would be cool too (probably not zoned for it) - not sure what they would do about parking for residential, though. It would be so close to transit you probably wouldn't need a car to live there.

Glad to see this and kudos to Reznick for recognizing a diamond in the rough. Looking forward to the architectural renderings. :tup:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6642712,-63.5682389,3a,90y,179.81h,91.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0I1Ux0K73wrLYw203IZesA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[Keith P.]

No photos yet but I noticed yesterday on my drive home 3090 Barrington (https://www.google.ca/maps/place/3090+Barrington+St,+Halifax,+NS+B3K+2X5/@44.664723,-63.594443,3a,75y,241.57h,76.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJSt6Dl1kwrj7_VJwmNiSkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4b5a216f1336dcf1:0xf053f957eb7b16dd!8m2!3d44.664482!4d-63.5947845!6m1!1e1) (at Young Street) is being demolished. There are plans for a mid-rise residential building.

Huh. When I was a little kid back in the '60s my friend lived just up from there - I believe it was a Fairbanks-Morse facility back then. When they were closed we used to play ball in their paved lot on the south side of the building.

[Colin May]

Hey that's great news, actually. I always thought the old Dartmouth City Hall building had a certain mid-century coolness that you don't see much of anymore. I like the idea of repurposing the building into a combination of retail/office, though retail/residential would be cool too (probably not zoned for it) - not sure what they would do about parking for residential, though. It would be so close to transit you probably wouldn't need a car to live there.

Glad to see this and kudos to Reznick for recognizing a diamond in the rough. Looking forward to the architectural renderings. :tup:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6642712,-63.5682389,3a,90y,179.81h,91.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0I1Ux0K73wrLYw203IZesA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

PVSC shows a sale price of $0 and a sale date of April 18 2017 Strange !
Sam Austin has a good description of the sale and a map showing where development is not allowed : http://www.samaustin.ca/news-old-city-hall-sale-and-a-new-museum/ scroll down for the survey description

[OldDartmouthMark]

PVSC shows a sale price of $0 and a sale date of April 18 2017 Strange !
Sam Austin has a good description of the sale and a map showing where development is not allowed : http://www.samaustin.ca/news-old-city-hall-sale-and-a-new-museum/ scroll down for the survey description

Thanks Colin. Strange about the sale data - perhaps it just hasn't been entered yet or was keyed-in incorrectly?

So if I understand this right, the area that I've outlined in red below could potentially be developed for this project?

http://i.imgur.com/rXBKCy4.jpg?1

Interesting.... looking forward to the details.

[Colin May]

Thanks Colin. Strange about the sale data - perhaps it just hasn't been entered yet or was keyed-in incorrectly?

So if I understand this right, the area that I've outlined in red below could potentially be developed for this project?

http://i.imgur.com/rXBKCy4.jpg?1

Interesting.... looking forward to the details.
Looks about right. In 2015 the wooden survey markers were visible but they are gone.
The $0 price is strange, tomorrow I'll contact PVSC and ask for an explanation.
Such a price appears when a property is transferred to a related party, you selling to your kids or spouse and DTT would not be payable. The sale was not posted on PVSC until after the end of April, I checked late on April 29 and it did not show as sold and 2 days later I took off to Toronto for a week.
Assessment data and property sales in Ontario is not freely available, its almost all secret.
Last year I spent several months assembling data on capped residential property assessments and ownership in metro and a few other areas. The figures and information are astounding.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Looks about right. In 2015 the wooden survey markers were visible but they are gone.
The $0 price is strange, tomorrow I'll contact PVSC and ask for an explanation.
Such a price appears when a property is transferred to a related party, you selling to your kids or spouse and DTT would not be payable. The sale was not posted on PVSC until after the end of April, I checked late on April 29 and it did not show as sold and 2 days later I took off to Toronto for a week.
Assessment data and property sales in Ontario is not freely available, its almost all secret.
Last year I spent several months assembling data on capped residential property assessments and ownership in metro and a few other areas. The figures and information are astounding.

I'm interested to see what you can find out, as I gather from Sam's writings that this will largely comprise the budget for a new museum. Nice to see stuff happening in that part of Dartmouth!

[Colin May]

I'm interested to see what you can find out, as I gather from Sam's writings that this will largely comprise the budget for a new museum. Nice to see stuff happening in that part of Dartmouth!
$2.48 million

[OldDartmouthMark]

$2.48 million

Thanks Colin. That's not too far off the previous asking price as outlined in the Chronicle Herald article. Hopefully the plan to use those funds for a museum stands firm, as Dartmouth's artifacts haven't been available for public viewing for quite some time now - it needs a home.

[kph06]

The Fleet Club on Barrington is in the midst of demolition. The walls are gone, the structure will probably follow this week.

[Dmajackson]

3090 BARRINGTON STREET

http://68.media.tumblr.com/6ca4434f4e53a67a361e2e79a954d1ee/tumblr_oq3rogBGe11tvjdq8o1_540.jpg
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5540 KAYE STREET

http://68.media.tumblr.com/aee5256ce33023d6adcd9dd51e1d61ce/tumblr_oq2p8zdsSc1tvjdq8o1_540.jpg
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[OldDartmouthMark]

5540 KAYE STREET

http://68.media.tumblr.com/aee5256ce33023d6adcd9dd51e1d61ce/tumblr_oq2p8zdsSc1tvjdq8o1_540.jpg
Halifax Developments Blog (Photo by David Jackson) (http://urbanhalifax.tumblr.com/)

That's a pretty neat building, whose construction has seemingly flown under the radar. Have there been any details posted here? I don't recall seeing it, but could have easily missed it...

[Drybrain]

That's a pretty neat building, whose construction has seemingly flown under the radar. Have there been any details posted here? I don't recall seeing it, but could have easily missed it...

With this and the St. Joseph's project rising at the same time, the commercial area around the Hydrostone is starting to feel less town-ish and a bit more city-ish.

That Dulux paint store and its big parking lot at Isleville and Young is crying out to be infilled next.

[teddifax]

This new building has applied and I believe was recently approved for the top level to be residential, with the rest being commercial.

[Keith P.]

That Dulux paint store and its big parking lot at Isleville and Young is crying out to be infilled next.

As a former gas station, that property would undoubtedly be very expensive to redevelop due to remediation costs unless a very large hole was dug for a building of some size that likely would be fiercely opposed by the area residents.

[Dmajackson]

With this and the St. Joseph's project rising at the same time, the commercial area around the Hydrostone is starting to feel less town-ish and a bit more city-ish.

That Dulux paint store and its big parking lot at Isleville and Young is crying out to be infilled next.

I agree with redeveloping the Dulux property. My main hope for the next five years though is to get some impressive density along Gottingen Street between Hydrostone and the MacDonald Bridge.

More people = More transit ridership = higher frequencies = justification for transit improvements in the North-End that will help the local and suburban express routes that funnel down this corridor.

[kph06]

This new building has applied and I believe was recently approved for the top level to be residential, with the rest being commercial.

If I remember correctly that changed hands a number of years ago, I think the developer who did the building that houses Starbucks across the street owns it. It was slated for future development, but it was a number of years off (which we are probably approaching now). Dulux may have had a long lease they were waiting out along with balancing other priorities.

[Drybrain]

As a former gas station, that property would undoubtedly be very expensive to redevelop due to remediation costs unless a very large hole was dug for a building of some size that likely would be fiercely opposed by the area residents.

Hmm, didn't know it had been a gas station. That does make it tougher, though I'm sure not impossible...

In any case, this is zoned as a corridor under the Centre Plan, so it tops out at six storeys. Which I think is about right for the area; this isn't a good site for a tall building. It'd dwarf the Young Street market strip and the park. The zoning does permit up to six storeys to the south, west, and east of the market strip, however, and I'd like to see that scale of development take place, enveloping the market area. Except maybe here (https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6626394,-63.5984866,3a,75y,174.46h,98.64t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1s-YWOiItkqWQ1BVcELmZ8IQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D-YWOiItkqWQ1BVcELmZ8IQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D81.30266%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100), since there's not much Victorian-era stuff this far north.)

Taller buildings are suitable for the "Centre"-zoned area a block over, though, west of Agricola.

[someone123]

I could be mixing things up but a while ago I remember reading (in the source that shall not be named) that a developer in the area had purchased a few different sites and planned a series of new buildings. I thought the Dulux Paints site was on that list.

The Lion's Head tavern is another large potential development site. I wouldn't really miss the two little buildings on Robie either now, particularly now that one of them is a Money Mart.

[teddifax]

I was referring to the slim building not the Dulux property.

[kph06]

I was referring to the slim building not the Dulux property.

Looks like I quoted the wrong post.

[Dmajackson]

Does anybody know if this is related to South Park Lofts or the Brenton & Brenton projects?

Brenton Street - Sidewalk Closure
Posted to Media Room 6 hours ago

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 (Halifax, NS) – The Halifax Regional Municipality is advising residents and motorists that on Saturday, May 27 and Sunday, May 28 a building demolition on Brenton Street will require that sidewalks between Spring Garden Road and Clyde Street be closed.

Crews will be on-site from 6:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

Traffic safety personnel will direct motorists, pedestrians and cyclists around the worksite as needed. Motorists should expect delays in the area and are asked to take alternative routes if possible.

Access to all local businesses will be maintained at all times.

The municipality appreciates your patience while this work is underway.

[fenwick16]

Does anybody know if this is related to South Park Lofts or the Brenton & Brenton projects?

According to allnovascotia.com, it is South Park Lofts.

[Dmajackson]

Update for Compass Distillery on Agricola Street;

http://68.media.tumblr.com/c71ad161e43f30ffa8a5b3e01de544c7/tumblr_oqkm3zfeIY1tvjdq8o1_540.jpg
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[Jonovision]

Nice choice of material!

[someone123]

The pattern on the concrete is a nice touch too. I wish there were more of that in new construction.

Agricola in general has an attractive mix of small, eclectic buildings. When the holes fill in a bit more it'll be really great; much better than the result of a small number of large developments would be.

[pblaauw]

Update for Compass Distillery on Agricola Street;

http://68.media.tumblr.com/c71ad161e43f30ffa8a5b3e01de544c7/tumblr_oqkm3zfeIY1tvjdq8o1_540.jpg
Halifax Developments Blog (Photo by David Jackson) (http://urbanhalifax.tumblr.com/)

I love that the automatic door stickers are installed before that door is actually accessible. :runaway:

[Dmajackson]

Tumblr has uploaded this photo a bit oddly (the sign is much more clear in person).

http://68.media.tumblr.com/fc5aad442865ed49420bb0c3332b3300/tumblr_oqmc48wsAF1tvjdq8o1_r1_540.jpg
Halifax Developments Blog (Photo by David Jackson) (http://urbanhalifax.tumblr.com/)

[Dmajackson]

Argyle Street streetscaping project has begun.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/5475a5616f045b80898e8646bbe5689c/tumblr_or3q3yPmTX1tvjdq8o1_540.jpg
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[someone123]

This is also visible (though a bit fuzzy) on the Argyle Street webcam:

https://images.novascotiawebcams.com/argylestreet/2017/06/07/16/argylestreet_20170607-161338_VXH6wIsGs5SGLOPz.jpg
novascotiawebcams.com

[OldDartmouthMark]

Tumblr has uploaded this photo a bit oddly (the sign is much more clear in person).

http://68.media.tumblr.com/fc5aad442865ed49420bb0c3332b3300/tumblr_oqmc48wsAF1tvjdq8o1_r1_540.jpg
Halifax Developments Blog (Photo by David Jackson) (http://urbanhalifax.tumblr.com/)

Looking good, though I still say a pressure wash would make a big difference...

http://i.imgur.com/Pddlw8s.jpg

[IanWatson]

Looking good, though I still say a pressure wash would make a big difference...


I've always felt this was the case for many buildings in Halifax. I often wonder if Fenwick would have been just as well served by a pressure wash as it will be by the re-cladding.

[eastcoastal]

Looking good, though I still say a pressure wash would make a big difference...

http://i.imgur.com/Pddlw8s.jpg

Have you seen the wood planks that have started multiplying across the facade? I can't tell if they're intended to be backing for something else, or are going to be the final finish.