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peanut gallery
Apr 10, 2014, 8:02 PM
Nice find. All I've seen previously are massing diagrams.

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 10, 2014, 10:47 PM
The crane was assembled today at 1321 Mission Street at 9th Street. (view from 27th floor, Essex Fox Plaza)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/13767906034_07a7008827.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mYC7Nf)

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 10, 2014, 10:53 PM
At the top of the photo is a large parking lot (form bus parking) where the construction is happening now for 380 Eight St.. There will be 400 apartments built with an equal number of parking spaces.

At the bottom of the photo is 1321 Mission St. at 9th St. The crane was assembled there today. Lot of things happening from my view on the 27 floor of the Essex Fox Plaza!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/13767563305_9670df46d0.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mYAmV8)

mt_climber13
Apr 10, 2014, 11:24 PM
These units will definitely not be affordable for a shoe shiner or anyone under the middle middle class. It's a sham that the City allowed the original plans to be changed, especially considering Angelo Sangiacomo gets to build a massive 1,400 car garage, and the fact that the new configuration and design pales in comparison and excitement to the old one.
http://www.e-architect.co.uk/sanfrancisco/trinity-place

I think for once having so many garage spaces might be a good thing- having this many cars coming in and out will help keep an eye on the area and could help speed up the improvement.

Is phase 3 the last phase?

hruski
Apr 11, 2014, 12:00 AM
I think for once having so many garage spaces might be a good thing- having this many cars coming in and out will help keep an eye on the area and could help speed up the improvement.

Is phase 3 the last phase?

Drivers don't do anything to improve the street experience. Pedestrians do.

fimiak
Apr 11, 2014, 12:20 AM
Apparently Box is doubling their space in 222 Second St, now taking the ENTIRE building 450k sq ft.

Salesforce is more than doubling the amount of the Transbay Tower they are taking...from 300k to 700k..more than half of the tower will be theirs.

There is going to be some extreme office shortages for the SF in the next few years.

simms3_redux
Apr 11, 2014, 1:54 AM
At the top of the photo is a large parking lot (form bus parking) where the construction is happening now for 380 Eight St.. There will be 400 apartments built with an equal number of parking spaces.

At the bottom of the photo is 1321 Mission St. at 9th St. The crane was assembled there today. Lot of things happening from my view on the 27 floor of the Essex Fox Plaza!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/13767563305_9670df46d0.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mYAmV8)

You can see that block size development in the background where they have also apparently now broken ground.

Renderings/info:

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2012/12/the_massive_plans_for_the_shortsited_soma_site_at_8th_a.html

Broken ground pics:

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2014/04/ground_broken_for_development_of_entire_soma_block.html#comments

ozone
Apr 11, 2014, 2:12 AM
1321 Mission St. ? Is that the student housing tower?

minesweeper
Apr 11, 2014, 4:47 AM
Salesforce is more than doubling the amount of the Transbay Tower they are taking...from 300k to 700k..more than half of the tower will be theirs.

Speaking of which, Salesforce is set to announce something big tomorrow morning with Ed Lee and Nancy Pelosi in attendance:

Salesforce to make 'historic investment in San Francisco' (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2014/04/salesforce-to-make-historic-investment-in-san.html?page=all)

With Salesforce.com rumored to be in talks to take chunks of the new Transbay Tower, the company is scheduled tomorrow morning — together with Mayor Ed Lee and House Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi — to announce what Lee is calling “Salesforce’s historic investment in San Francisco.”

No details on the substance of the announcement have been made public, but Lee’s office has issued an advisory about the event, which will occur on the 25th floor of 50 Fremont Street, where Salesforce is the major tenant and which is across the street from the Transbay construction site.

It could be a Transbay Tower announcement, but Lee's comment is making me think it might be something else in the public interest on par with Google's donation of youth Muni passes.

peanut gallery
Apr 11, 2014, 5:35 AM
It's way out of that price range, but my dream is some philanthropist funding the downtown extension. Actually, my dream is being that philanthropist. Man, that would feel good.

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 11, 2014, 6:28 AM
ozone - 1321 Mission, called Panoramic, will have small apartments (dining table doubles as a bed) for anyone who can tolerate a small living space.

More info. at this link:

http://www.panoramic.com/smartspace/

mt_climber13
Apr 11, 2014, 6:43 AM
Salesforce has done many great things for the city. Beinoff and his wife have donated a lot of their wealth to helping the homeless and impoverished families of San Francisco. Truly a leader in corporate responsibility.

This was taken on the 8th, Filbert and Van Ness. I remember the Chevron station that used to be there.

http://i.imgur.com/dKejL8C.jpg

WildCowboy
Apr 11, 2014, 2:07 PM
Transbay Tower is now Salesforce Tower...they're taking half of it.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Salesforce-makes-landmark-deal-to-lease-half-of-5394954.php

minesweeper
Apr 11, 2014, 3:12 PM
Transbay Tower is now Salesforce Tower...they're taking half of it.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Salesforce-makes-landmark-deal-to-lease-half-of-5394954.php

Wow, the rumors were right. Salesforce has been growing like crazy and could be leasing almost 2 million sq ft at Fremont and Mission alone by 2018. I've been wondering why neither 50 Fremont nor 350 Mission was renamed "Salesforce Tower" and now we know they were saving it for the big time. I wonder if the Benioffs own a place in Millennium Tower to complete the quadfecta at Fremont/Mission.

I just realized Salesforce may crack the Fortune 500 next year. They had $4 billion in revenue in their most recent fiscal year and it's been growing 30% y/y for the last four years. Around $5B will be the threshold for next year's list.

mt_climber13
Apr 11, 2014, 3:58 PM
Transbay Tower is now Salesforce Tower...they're taking half of it.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Salesforce-makes-landmark-deal-to-lease-half-of-5394954.php

That is going to take some getting used to.

simms3_redux
Apr 11, 2014, 4:02 PM
Transbay Tower is now Salesforce Tower...they're taking half of it.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Salesforce-makes-landmark-deal-to-lease-half-of-5394954.php

OMG you beat me to it! I felt special when some people I knew forwarded me an email with some deets, but then it was public anyway! LoL

Yes, Salesforce Tower. Nice ring to it...:slob:

a very long weekend
Apr 11, 2014, 5:11 PM
huge news, literally stopped at a news box near union sq this morning, like agog. salesforce tower, so crazy. will definitely be one of those things that locals call transbay tower forever and that transplants will be like "you mean salesforce tower?"

that news about box taking all of 222 second is wild too. like, as if those simultaneous announcements don't underline the explosive growth of tech (and even more specifically, cloud), like just generally but also as the prime driver of office demand.

mt_climber13
Apr 11, 2014, 5:32 PM
So what does whoever leases the other half get?

fimiak
Apr 11, 2014, 6:55 PM
huge news, literally stopped at a news box near union sq this morning, like agog. salesforce tower, so crazy. will definitely be one of those things that locals call transbay tower forever and that transplants will be like "you mean salesforce tower?"

that news about box taking all of 222 second is wild too. like, as if those simultaneous announcements don't underline the explosive growth of tech (and even more specifically, cloud), like just generally but also as the prime driver of office demand.



I seriously doubt too many locals are going to call an as of yet nonexistent tower by its promotional name rather than its Salesforce Tower name, esp, because Salesforce will be plastered in big letters on it 100ft up. Everybody from today on will naturally say Salesforce Tower because that is how it should always be displayed from now on.

Wakame, Salesforce is taking bottom 30 floors + top floor. Save for the penthouse, whoever else leases technically gets a better part of the tower, the part that is overlooking the city.

biggerhigherfaster
Apr 11, 2014, 9:24 PM
So what does whoever leases the other half get?

It'll probably be spread among various tenants, possibly many or possibly just a few

ozone
Apr 11, 2014, 9:35 PM
I seriously doubt too many locals are going to call an as of yet nonexistent tower by its promotional name rather than its Salesforce Tower name, esp, because Salesforce will be plastered in big letters on it 100ft up. Everybody from today on will naturally say Salesforce Tower because that is how it should always be displayed from now on.

Wakame, Salesforce is taking bottom 30 floors + top floor. Save for the penthouse, whoever else leases technically gets a better part of the tower, the part that is overlooking the city.

What, do you work for Salesforce or something? :blink:

ChelseaFC
Apr 11, 2014, 9:55 PM
U.S. Bank Tower (1018 ft, 73 stories)
Transbay Tower (1070 ft, 61 stories)

I'm confused. What gives?

simms3_redux
Apr 11, 2014, 10:44 PM
US Bank Tower just sold for a little more than $200/sf (granted it wasn't stabilized to core). It's a vintage 80s/90s "class A" tower that may be the tallest now, but is no means the most trophy or most prestigious tower in LA. Its ceiling heights, for one, are quite low compared to today's more modern, open, and airy buildings. It functions more like the Willis Tower (low rent almost class B tower in Chicago that happens to be among the tallest in the world) rather than a gleaming trophy. Institutional buyers/investors price it at a huge discount to replacement. The office component of the Wilshire Grand will be much nicer with higher ceilings.

Contrast, the TB Tower is designed with large, open floorplates and high ceilings. It's a new tower, but very much like the CITC in Philadelphia, is designed to appeal to the modern 21st century industries that have typically preferred creative space in brick and timber buildings, but are being forced more and more to design or occupy their own, more modern space in contemporary high rises. As a result, slab to slabs at TB Tower are going to be quite high (about 15').

This hopefully explains the difference between the floor counts and heights. The tallest occupiable floor of TB Tower will rise to 912', which is also slightly below the US Bank Tower's highest floor.

mt_climber13
Apr 12, 2014, 12:49 AM
The tallest occupiable floor of TB Tower will rise to 912', which is also slightly below the US Bank Tower's highest floor.

Yes but this thing hasn't even begun rising yet. The air rights for this parcel allows for a 1000' roof. With Salesforce adding more floors to their 350 Mission St. building, and this huge lease just announced, I wouldn't be surprised if more floors were added to Transbay Tower when the foundation is complete and ready to rise.

peanut gallery
Apr 12, 2014, 8:09 PM
For anyone not familiar with the Transbay and Rincon Hill areas, I put together this map showing all the projects either currently under construction (yellow), completed exterior/continuing interior work (green), or expected to break ground by the end of this year (blue). I didn't include several other projects that are coming soon but still in the approval process or otherwise not yet rumored to get started right away (41 Tehama, 325 Fremont, 524 Howard, 75 Howard, 50 First). Some of those might go on this map next year, however.

With so many projects in such a small area, I thought this might help folks keep track of which project is which. It also highlights how a short walk can bring you past several active construction sites.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3712/13792306585_7a2f8976b3_b.jpg

Key:
1. 350 Mission (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=125819) | Office | 455'
2. Salesforce Tower (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=199946) | Office | 1070'
(The tower will sit where the "2" is, the gray line shows its approximate footprint. The rest of the site is a plaza.)
3. 535 Mission (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118924) | Office | 380'
4. Transbay Transit Center (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=136300)| Transportation Hub | ??'
5. SFMOMA Expansion | Art Museum | 200'
6. 222 Second St. (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=178017) | Office | 350'
7. Foundry Square III | Office | 145'
8. 181 Fremont (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=137164) | Office/Residential | 802'
9. Transbay Block 6 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=203437)| Residential | 320' (unsure of height, but it's 32 floors, so it's at least this).
10. Transbay Block 8 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=210616) | Residential | 550'
11. 500 Folsom (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=204082) | Residential | 400'
12. 45 Lansing (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=115515) | Residential | 450'
13. One Rincon Hill Tower 2 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=199764) | Residential | 550'
14. 340 Fremont (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118914)| Residential | 440'
15. 399 Fremont (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118916) | Residential | 400'
16. 333 Fremont | Residential | 90'? (not sure, just filler but pretty nice)
17. Lumina Tower 1 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=197560) | Residential | 400'
18. Lumina Tower 2 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=197560) | Residential | 350'

fimiak
Apr 12, 2014, 10:53 PM
You forgot 50 First and I think there is a lot that hasn't been talked about yet that can take another tall tower, I know it wont break ground this year but its still a very important project on that map, probably the most important unknown in SF development at this moment. Good job though!

peanut gallery
Apr 13, 2014, 6:37 AM
Thanks. 50 First is very important and I'm looking forward to it. I was just trying to stay focused on the current, active construction sites (except those two that are rumored to start before the end of the year). They still need to finish the new design and get it approved so I left it off, along with some other sites that are in the pipeline.

ozone
Apr 13, 2014, 6:39 PM
Wow. Thanks for the map. I've seen others but I like the simplicity of yours. It puts things in perspective doesn't it. Just how many residential units are shown?

For some reason I thought 181 Fremont was mixed office & residential.
Also what is current news about 41 Tehama?

Another thing to look forward to is what is going to replace the temporary transbay terminal.

tech12
Apr 13, 2014, 7:00 PM
Another thing to look forward to is what is going to replace the temporary transbay terminal.

The site of the temporary transbay terminal is planned to have a 450' tower on the north end, a park in the middle, and a midrise on the south end.

Also, I might as well repost this list I made for the 2000s/2010s construction thread in city discussions (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=210696):

SF highrise construction since 2000 (35+ meters):

2000's

1. Millennium tower ------------ 645' - 2009
2. One Rincon Hill south tower -- 640' - 2008
3. 555 Mission street ----------- 487' - 2008
4. St. Regis tower -------------- 484' - 2005
5. Infinity tower II -------------- 450' - 2009
6. JPMorgan Chase Building ------ 420' - 2002
7. The Paramount --------------- 420' - 2002
8. Infinity tower I --------------- 400' - 2008
9. Four Seasons Hotel ----------- 398' - 2001
10. 101 Second street ----------- 354' - 2000
11. InterContinental hotel -------- 340' - 2008
12. 55 Second Street ------------ 330' - 2002
13. 150 California ---------------- 330' - 2000
14. The Metropolitan I ----------- 266' - 2004
15. Bridgeview ------------------ 26 floors - 2002
16. Trinity Place building I ------- 24 floors - 2009
17. US Federal Building ---------- 234' - 2007
18. SoMa Grand ----------------- 233' - 2007
19. The Watermark -------------- 22 floors - 2006
20. The Metropolitan II ---------- 217' - 2004
21. BLŪ ------------------------- 209' - 2008
22. Argenta --------------------- 20 floors - 2008
23. The Brannan tower I --------- 18 floors - 2001
24. The Brannan tower II -------- 18 floors - 2001
25. The Brannan tower III ------- 18 floors - 2002
26. Courtyard San Francisco ----- 18 floors - 2001
27. Avalon Mission Bay I --------- 17 floors - 2003
28. Avalon Mission Bay II -------- 17 floors - 2006
29. Avalon Mission Bay III ------- 17 floors - 2009
30. Arterra --------------------- 16 floors - 2008
31. Beacon west ---------------- 16 floors - 2003
32. Beacon east ---------------- 16 floors - 2003
33. Hearst Tower --------------- 155' - 2005
34. 199 New Montgomery street - 150' - 2004
35. International Hotel ----------- 15 floors - 2005
36. Gap Building ----------------- 15 floors - 2001
37. 125 Mason Street ------------ 14 floors - 2008
38. Foundry Square I ------------ 145' - 2007
39. Foundry Square II ------------ 145' - 2003
40. Foundry Square IV ----------- 145' - 2003
41. M.H. de Young Museum ------- 144' - 2005
42. Symphony tower ------------- 130' - 2007
43. The Heritage on Fillmore ------ 13 floors - 2007
44. 10th & Mission Family Housing - 12 floors - 2009
45. 301 Mission street ------------ 12 floors - 2008
46. Moscone Center expansion ---- 115' - 2003

2010's (including under construction and site prep/demo)

1. Transbay tower ----------- 1,070' - 2014 (u/c start)
2. 181 Fremont ---------------- 802' - 2014 (u/c start)
3. One Rincon Hill north tower -- 541' - 2012 (u/c start, topped out)
4. 350 Mission ----------------- 455' - 2013 (u/c start)
5. 45 Lansing ------------------ 450' - 2013 (u/c start)
6. Lumina tower I -------------- 450' - 2013 (u/c start)
7. 399 Fremont ---------------- 440' - 2014 (u/c start)
8. 340 Fremont ---------------- 430' - 2014 (demolition)
9. Lumina tower II ------------- 400' - 2013 (u/c start)
10. 535 Mission ---------------- 378 - 2013 (u/c resumed, foundation started in 2008. Topped out)
11. Nema tower I -------------- 352' - 2014
12. 222 Second street --------- 350' - 2013 (u/c start)
13. 299 Fremont --------------- 350' - 2014 (u/c start)
14. CPMC Van Ness ------------ 260' - 2014 (demolition)
15. One Hawthorne street ------ 25 floors - 2010
16. Trinity Place building 2 ----- 22 floors - 2013
17. Trinity Place building 3 ----- 22 floors - 2014 (site prep)
18. Nema tower II ------------- 220' - 2014
19. CCSF Chinatown campus --- 216' - 2012
20. AVA ---------------------- 205' - 2013
21. 1400 Mission -------------- 200' - 2014 (u/c start)
22. SFMOMA expansion ------- 195' - 2014 (u/c start)
23. P.U.C. Headquarters ------ 181' - 2012
24. Madrone tower I ---------- 16 floors - 2012
25. Madrone tower II --------- 16 floors - 2012
26. Arden tower I ------------ 16 floors - 2013
27. Arden tower II ----------- 16 floors - 2013
28. Hampton Inn ------------- 15 floors - 2013 (u/c start, topped out)
29. Foundry Square III ------- 145' - 2014
30. 1415 Mission ------------- 14 floors - 2014 (u/c start)
31. 1285 Sutter -------------- 13 floors - 2013
32. 1450 Franklin ------------- 13 floors - 2014 (site prep)
33. Mission Bay block 13w ---- 13 floors - 2013 (u/c start)
34. 1321 Mission ------------- 11 floors - 2014 (u/c start)
35. SF General Hospital addition - 8 floors (u/c, supposed to be done in 2015, not sure when construction started. I'm pretty sure it's 35+ meters tall, despite the low floor count)

There are 30 more approved highrises that i can think of, 29 of which are part of the big and slow-moving Treasure Island, Hunters Point, and Park Merced redevelopment projects (the remaining one is 350 Bush)...so those ones won't be built for a while. And I guess there's always the possibility that NIMBYs kill some of them in the future.

As far as highrise proposals go, there are 36 that I know of, many of which are likely to be approved within the next couple years.

So many projects! Am I missing anything?

peanut gallery
Apr 13, 2014, 7:50 PM
That's quite a list. Nice work putting that all together.

Wow. Thanks for the map. I've seen others but I like the simplicity of yours. It puts things in perspective doesn't it. Just how many residential units are shown?

For some reason I thought 181 Fremont was mixed office & residential.
Also what is current news about 41 Tehama?

You're very welcome and are absolutely correct. I've fixed that error on 181 Fremont. Thanks!

Edit: forgot to answer your other question: I believe there are about 4000 units under construction on that map.

jbm
Apr 13, 2014, 8:07 PM
I think the 2000's list is missing 101 second st, which per Hines' website finished in 2000.

tech12
Apr 13, 2014, 10:08 PM
I think the 2000's list is missing 101 second st, which per Hines' website finished in 2000.

Ok, I added it to the list. Emporis says it was completed in 1999, but I'll take your/Hines'/wikipedia's word for it over emporis.

minesweeper
Apr 14, 2014, 1:17 AM
Also what is current news about 41 Tehama?

41 Tehama can be lumped in with 350 Bush in that it's fully entitled but with an unknown/undetermined start date. It's fully approved and shovel-ready, but the current owners seem to have no interest in developing it themselves. It was approved a year ago and then immediately put up for sale (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/04/new-transbay-site-on-block-could-top.html?page=all). It got a four-story/40-foot height increase approved about six months ago too.

The fact that no developer has jumped on a fully-entitled downtown residential site suggests that the owners must be asking for the moon, otherwise it should've easily sold by now. Maybe someone in the industry has more insight, but this one is just waiting for a developer with very deep pockets to make it happen.

So many projects! Am I missing anything?

A couple other fully entitled that just make the 35 meter cut:


101 Polk: 13 stories, 120', 162 units (source (http://commissions.sfplanning.org/cpcpackets/2011.0702EXC.pdf))
250 Fourth Street hotel project: 11 stories, 120' to the roof, 220 rooms (source (http://sf-planning.org/ftp/files/Commission/cpcpackets/2011.0038CEKVX!.pdf))
72 Ellis hotel project: 11 stories, 125', 156 rooms (source (http://commissions.sfplanning.org/cpcmotions/2013/18954.pdf))

101 Polk is fully financed and supposed to break ground (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2014/03/emerald-fund-afl-cio-mid-market-apartments.html?page=all) any day now. 250 Fourth has filed for building permits, but its financing is a black box and they still have to evict Olivet University. 72 Ellis has been approved since 2001, so don't hold your breath on that one.

fimiak
Apr 14, 2014, 8:12 AM
While not new construction, 100 Van Ness, One Tenth St, and Market St Place are essentially completely redone.

simms3_redux
Apr 14, 2014, 3:05 PM
^^Market St Place is new construction...

140 New Montgomery and 680 Folsom are also completely redone. Stockbridge/Wilson Meany just refinanced (to a perm, I believe they had a construction loan previously) 140 New Montgomery sized to almost $200M. 680 Folsom had 2-3 floors added and is essentially a new SOM designed building.

Also, 41 Tehama is happening pretty soon, from my understanding. I don't think it made the news, but I believe the site went to a very reputable developer we are all very familiar with. I have heard they even had a GC selected, and then decided it wasn't a good fit, etc etc. So now looking over the internet for information that might be public that I can share, I realize there is basically nothing public about this project. But, trust me when I say there is a team here in SF already working on it.

peanut gallery
Apr 14, 2014, 4:21 PM
That's good news. Simms, have you heard anything about the architecture? Is the new developer going to re-do Arquitectonica's design or build what Fritzi has gotten approved already?

simms3_redux
Apr 14, 2014, 5:31 PM
I have not heard anything, just happened to be with some guys on a team working on it and overheard them discussing it. Based on what I heard, my immediate thought was that this sounds like a 2014 start...

timbad
Apr 15, 2014, 6:21 AM
I have not heard anything, just happened to be with some guys on a team working on it and overheard them discussing it. Based on what I heard, my immediate thought was that this sounds like a 2014 start...

o-ho, another blue chalk rectangle for pg's cool map!! :tup:

simms3_redux
Apr 15, 2014, 8:11 PM
I have not heard anything, just happened to be with some guys on a team working on it and overheard them discussing it. Based on what I heard, my immediate thought was that this sounds like a 2014 start...

So a flyer from a brokerage firm detailing recent/under contract transactions listed the 41 Tehama site as Under Contract (landed in my inbox today). So I suppose there will be a news story soon where everybody can learn who's tackling this project, and perhaps more deets.

ozone
Apr 15, 2014, 10:55 PM
^^^ Looks like good news about 41 Tehama.

Another new condo (low-rise) infill according to Socketsite:

"The approved David Baker-designed development to rise on the northeast corner of Fulton and Gough has just been sold to the newly formed 7X7 Development group which plans to break ground on the Hayes Valley project this summer, adjacent to the new Don Fisher Clubhouse."
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2014/04/hayes_valley_development_sold_new_condos_coming_in_2015.html

http://imageshack.com/a/img836/7967/zy6j.jpg

tech12
Apr 15, 2014, 11:00 PM
^^^ Looks like good news about 41 Tehama.

Another new condo (low-rise) infill according to Socketsite:

"The approved David Baker-designed development to rise on the northeast corner of Fulton and Gough has just been sold to the newly formed 7X7 Development group which plans to break ground on the Hayes Valley project this summer, adjacent to the new Don Fisher Clubhouse."
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2014/04/hayes_valley_development_sold_new_condos_coming_in_2015.html

http://imageshack.com/a/img836/7967/zy6j.jpg

Nice. What's with the trio on unicycles in the rendering though? It's like whoever put the rendering together thought "San Francisco has wacky residents right? I'll throw some unicycles in there!" :haha:

WildCowboy
Apr 16, 2014, 2:38 PM
Yeah, let's try to keep it realistic. This location is too boring for SF unicyclists...they're more often spotted heading up Twin Peaks.

fflint
Apr 16, 2014, 9:33 PM
Haha, unicyclists!

That's one sexy rendering...

spyguy
Apr 17, 2014, 3:21 AM
525 Harrison
http://i57.tinypic.com/15i21bc.jpg

chris08876
Apr 17, 2014, 5:02 AM
As of April 16, 2014.
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Long-Delayed 69-Unit Condo Building Now Rising on Franklin

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/534ed006f92ea171ad0323d9/IMG_1505.JPG
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/534ed00bf92ea171ad0323e3/Image%204-16-14%20at%2010.37%20AM.png
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/534ed00ff92ea171ad0323f4/IMG_1510.JPG

The original building on the site, most recently home to luxury car dealership Cars Dawydiak, was designed by architect Frederick Meyer in the early 20th century. After winning approval, however, the building was put on hold as the economy tanked. It was revived last year with demolition of the old building, and construction is now moving right along with an expected completion date of Summer 2015. A rendering of the building's exterior shows that homage has been paid to Meyer's original building in the first few floors of the new structure's facade. It is set to hit 13 stories with parking and retail at the bottom.
===============================================
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/04/16/longdelayed_69unit_condo_building_now_rising_on_franklin.php

ozone
Apr 18, 2014, 9:53 PM
A 64-unit apartment building at 2100 Market Street, directly next to the Church Street Muni stop. The site of the former Home restaurant and where Chipotle attempted to move in last year.

http://imageshack.com/a/img838/3298/23sq.jpg

Curbed SF
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/04/17/64_apartments_may_be_coming_to_castros_market_and_church.php

ozone
Apr 18, 2014, 10:00 PM
525 Harrison
http://i57.tinypic.com/15i21bc.jpg

Is this Hines' 16-story, 164-foot residential tower project? Currently the Factory nightclub.

mt_climber13
Apr 18, 2014, 10:17 PM
As of April 16, 2014.
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Long-Delayed 69-Unit Condo Building Now Rising on Franklin

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/534ed006f92ea171ad0323d9/IMG_1505.JPG
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/534ed00bf92ea171ad0323e3/Image%204-16-14%20at%2010.37%20AM.png
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/534ed00ff92ea171ad0323f4/IMG_1510.JPG


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http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/04/16/longdelayed_69unit_condo_building_now_rising_on_franklin.php


I drove by yesterday and that older warehouse building was definitely gone.. They didn't preserve it as seen in the render.

ozone
Apr 18, 2014, 10:24 PM
wakamesalad- I believe warehouse was torn down some time ago. What you see in the rendering is part of the new construction intended to be something of a homage to the former warehouse.

mt_climber13
Apr 19, 2014, 12:14 AM
wakamesalad- I believe warehouse was torn down some time ago. What you see in the rendering is part of the new construction intended to be something of a homage to the former warehouse.

Well that's just dumb :D

fflint
Apr 19, 2014, 12:20 AM
A 64-unit apartment building at 2100 Market Street, directly next to the Church Street Muni stop. The site of the former Home restaurant and where Chipotle attempted to move in last year.

http://imageshack.com/a/img838/3298/23sq.jpg

Curbed SF
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/04/17/64_apartments_may_be_coming_to_castros_market_and_church.php
Awesome! My neighborhood just keeps transforming--this would be the seventh proposal (five have been/are being built) within two blocks of my apartment!

ozone
Apr 19, 2014, 7:10 PM
For fflint:

Heller Manus has designed a 87-unit rental building to rise at 2198 Market Street (the triangular shaped lot on the northeast corner of Market and Sanchez).
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2014/04/new_designs_for_87_dwellings_at_market_and_sanchez.html


Now
http://imageshack.com/a/img838/9959/6z0g.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img836/3385/zwtk.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img838/6922/k16w.jpg

timbad
Apr 20, 2014, 6:35 PM
For fflint:

Heller Manus has designed a 87-unit rental building to rise at 2198 Market Street ...

http://imageshack.com/a/img836/3385/zwtk.jpg


will be so nice to get that filled in! :tup:

timbad
Apr 20, 2014, 6:36 PM
just a check-in on progress at 333 Brannan (http://kilograph.net/846/333-brannan-street/) (future Dropbox):

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3767/13952907234_cd681bc465_b.jpg

fflint
Apr 20, 2014, 9:20 PM
Alright 2198 Market! I knew there was a proposal for that one, but these are new renderings.

This project is the latest of about ten new flatirons on Market Street!

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 21, 2014, 4:16 PM
2198 Market Street - I happened to walk by 2198 Market yesterday (on the way to Canela to have rabbit paella, the best I have every had) and wondered what would become of the triangular lot - now I know! I like the Heller Manus design. If it is not changed radically in design and color I think it will be a very good neighbor to the Swedish Hall with it's double peaked roof. I particularly like the set back next to it's neighbor a nice touch. Not great architecture but it will blend in with the other corner buildings in the neighborhood.

NOPA
Apr 22, 2014, 4:51 AM
Is this Hines' 16-story, 164-foot residential tower project? Currently the Factory nightclub.

I'm going to miss getting turnt up at the Factory. At least its relatively handsome.

fflint
Apr 23, 2014, 3:18 AM
I was thinking about how much San Francisco has changed since I first moved here in 1992, and decided to look at the numbers. San Francisco's population--and population density--has grown 15.6% since 1990. The population grew by 114,000, which is not inconsequential. More interestingly, we also roughly added an additional 2,500 persons per square mile within an already dense footprint!

Year - Population - Persons per square mile
1990 - 723,959 - 15,446
2013 - 837,442 - 17,867

Dale
Apr 23, 2014, 3:58 AM
Any projections on when the city might hit one-million at current pace ?

mt_climber13
Apr 23, 2014, 7:51 AM
I'm going to miss getting turnt up at the Factory. At least its relatively handsome.

:djparty:

NOPA
Apr 23, 2014, 1:30 PM
Any projections on when the city might hit one-million at current pace ?

The Chronicle did an article not long ago on San Francisco at 1 million http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/san-francisco-at-1-million-citys-population-is-booming-once-again/Content?oid=2659836

As it mentions, some recent reports say this will happen in 2032, however, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened sooner. the 2020 census should give us a good idea.

coyotetrickster
Apr 23, 2014, 2:23 PM
The Chronicle did an article not long ago on San Francisco at 1 million http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/san-francisco-at-1-million-citys-population-is-booming-once-again/Content?oid=2659836

As it mentions, some recent reports say this will happen in 2032, however, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened sooner. the 2020 census should give us a good idea.

The Examiner is not the chronicle. Just saying.

coyotetrickster
Apr 23, 2014, 2:23 PM
The Chronicle did an article not long ago on San Francisco at 1 million http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/san-francisco-at-1-million-citys-population-is-booming-once-again/Content?oid=2659836

As it mentions, some recent reports say this will happen in 2032, however, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened sooner. the 2020 census should give us a good idea.

Just would like to point out, the SF Examiner is not the SF Chronicle.

minesweeper
Apr 23, 2014, 4:33 PM
Any projections on when the city might hit one-million at current pace ?

The Examiner story linked above is using projections from the Plan Bay Area report, which projects a population of 1.085 million in 2040 (source (http://files.mtc.ca.gov/pdf/Plan_Bay_Area_FINAL/2-The_Bay_Area_In_2040.pdf)).

Separately, the CA Department of Finance projects only 891,607 by 2040 and 926,555 by 2060 (source (http://www.dof.ca.gov/research/demographic/reports/projections/view.php)). Note that in 2013 we already surpassed their 2015 projection, and by 2015 we're probably going to surpass their 2020 projection.

San Francisco has been growing by about 10,000 per year from 2010 to 2013 (from 805,235 to 837,442). If SF keeps that pace indefinitely, it'll hit one million by 2030. Using the longer time frame of 1990 to 2013, the city grew by about 4,900 per year (from 723,959 to 837,442). At that pace, it'll take until 2046 to reach one million.

The city is booming right now and practically bursting at the seams. I don't think anyone expects the boom to continue uninterrupted for the next 16 years. I'm not sure we can physically handle 10,000 new residents per year for the next two decades, especially considering how long it takes to get new housing entitled and permitted.

So, the Plan Bay Area projection seems too optimistic, but the CA DoF projection seems way too low on the other hand. Hitting a million around 2040 seems more realistic, but that's just my personal guess.

mt_climber13
Apr 23, 2014, 4:59 PM
The city already has well over 1 million people in city limits on any day- workers who live outside, tourists, undocumented immigrants..

Hell, for pride, the "population" is over 2 million.

fimiak
Apr 23, 2014, 7:36 PM
Its a different thing having 2 million people walking around and 2 million living and working in the city. NYC has something like 8 million living in the city and 14 million passing through daily.

A lot of politicians need to wake up to the fact that the US is going from 287 - 438 million people from 2000-2050....thats 150 million more people that have to fit inside of this country. If SF grows from 2000-2050 at the same pace as the US, the city will need room for something like from 750,000 in 2000 up to 1,175,000 people in 2050. This is not taking into account the recent drive towards urbanization that has picked up since the recession, either, nor SF's unique position as a tech driven peninsula. This is simply comparing the 2000 and the 2050 population of the country and applying its simple facts. Every city in the bay area will be bursting at the seams.

Dale
Apr 23, 2014, 7:42 PM
Thanks, guys!

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 23, 2014, 9:17 PM
For the last 43 years this space has been wasted on a parking lot - glad to see a 13 story apartment building going up on the corner.

The San Francisco Art Academy must have know that a highrise was to be built on the site next door, but a mural was painted anyway. The development was made know a few years ago I really like the mural & hate to see it disappear.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7136/13984383942_77f0b9717d_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/niKC8Y)101 Polk Street (https://flic.kr/p/niKC8Y) by Apollo's Light (https://www.flickr.com/people/56616639@N00/), on Flickr

peanut gallery
Apr 23, 2014, 9:44 PM
^Great news. It's not a large building, but I like it. More people in that neighborhood should only continue to make it better.

fimiak
Apr 24, 2014, 12:03 AM
Mid-Market is changing faster than I think anyone could have imagined even two years ago, and there are still many huge projects on the way, like 150 Van Ness, One Van Ness, the Goodwill Bldg, Plumbers union building/parking lot, as well as the Honda building. This is the Market Sq Place / Twitter courtyard testing the new lights.
http://i.imgur.com/45RhK3W.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DIKDTud.jpg

fflint
Apr 24, 2014, 12:56 AM
Any renderings for 101 Polk?

timbad
Apr 24, 2014, 4:25 AM
Any renderings for 101 Polk?

there are some here (http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2013/05/08/civic_center_rental_project_looking_for_a_green_light.php)

NickB1967
Apr 24, 2014, 5:43 PM
The City has actually *lost* residents since the 1950's, although it has rebounded in recent years.

Folks3000
Apr 24, 2014, 7:06 PM
The City has actually *lost* residents since the 1950's, although it has rebounded in recent years.

1940 634,536 +0.0%
1950 775,357 +22.2%
1960 740,316 −4.5%
1970 715,674 −3.3%
1980 678,974 −5.1%
1990 723,959 +6.6%
2000 776,733 +7.3%
2010 805,235 +3.7%
2013 837,442 +4.0%

That's not accurate, unless you mean "recent years" as since the 80s. Or passed it's population peak in 1950 fourteen years ago.

mt_climber13
Apr 25, 2014, 2:19 AM
For fflint:

Heller Manus has designed a 87-unit rental building to rise at 2198 Market Street (the triangular shaped lot on the northeast corner of Market and Sanchez).
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2014/04/new_designs_for_87_dwellings_at_market_and_sanchez.html


Now
http://imageshack.com/a/img838/9959/6z0g.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img836/3385/zwtk.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img838/6922/k16w.jpg

Fenced off and ready to rise:

http://i.imgur.com/nvq3xMU.jpg

mt_climber13
Apr 25, 2014, 2:20 AM
This project on Mission St., between 21st and 22nd:

http://i.imgur.com/8IjWII2.jpg

Gordo
Apr 25, 2014, 5:15 AM
1940 634,536 +0.0%
1950 775,357 +22.2%
1960 740,316 −4.5%
1970 715,674 −3.3%
1980 678,974 −5.1%
1990 723,959 +6.6%
2000 776,733 +7.3%
2010 805,235 +3.7%
2013 837,442 +4.0%

That's not accurate, unless you mean "recent years" as since the 80s. Or passed it's population peak in 1950 fourteen years ago.

And this is all the more impressive when you take a look at average household sizes in 1950 compared to today. Number of households:

1950: 259,055
2010: 345,811

We've likely broken the 350,000 mark by now, for more than a 35% (!!!) increase over the 1950 number.

simms3_redux
Apr 25, 2014, 5:46 AM
^^^Fewer and fewer families as the city becomes exorbitantly expensive. I wouldn't say that it's necessarily a very good thing that the city limits is becoming more and more a singles haven. I mean, maybe good on the surface, but when our generation starts moving out of the city, where to? It's not like the San Mateo County or Alameda County cities are pushing for more housing either, lol.

fflint
Apr 25, 2014, 6:43 AM
The Census Bureau (as of 2012) estimates (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06075.html) San Francsco has 376,924 housing units, as opposed to 'households'. As to why some SF housing units are not considered households, I can only surmise they are counting units like rooms in dormitories and elderly care facilities, etc.

The Bureau also estimates 39.4% of San Francisco households consist of a single individual. Meanwhile, some 10.4% of San Franciscans in households are living with unrelated, non-partner roommates/apartment mates. I want to point out those are two different kinds of data points and they cannot necessarily be combined--but it should be clear there's still a lot of people living with spouses, children, other relatives, and unmarried partners. And no doubt many who live alone or with unrelated/non-partner roommates are not technically 'single,' either.

LMich
Apr 25, 2014, 7:29 AM
Wait, maybe I'm misunderstanding something, here. But the reason housing unit counts and households don't match up is simply the vacany rate, right? That's what you guys are talking about, right? There is almost always a difference between the numbers of households and the number of housing units in an American city. And, yes, the Census does make the distinction between single quarters and group quarters like dorms, nursing homes, jails/prisons, etc...

ozone
Apr 25, 2014, 4:00 PM
Getting back to the topic. The Market and Sanchez project (above) was approved last night.

NOPA
Apr 26, 2014, 2:15 PM
340 Fremont broke ground Thursday I believe fyi.

http://www.bisnow.com/commercial-real-estate/san-francisco/1525-sares-regis-big-shovel-year/

timbad
Apr 26, 2014, 9:16 PM
340 Fremont broke ground Thursday I believe fyi.

http://www.bisnow.com/commercial-real-estate/san-francisco/1525-sares-regis-big-shovel-year/

that project does have its own thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=118914) for more detail as well

Folks3000
Apr 27, 2014, 1:04 AM
Google Maps (at least the app on my phone) has updated imagery of San Francisco. Must have been just before the fire in Mission Bay. All the construction looks pretty sweet.

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 28, 2014, 6:04 AM
The new highrise that will house Saint Anthony's soup kitchen has reached it's highest point in the Tenderloin - see the grey structure in the foreground. The smoke is compliments of Burger King on Powell Street.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2910/14045684595_39a495c75b_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/npaNFM)New Catholic Housing, Soup Kitchen (https://flic.kr/p/npaNFM)

viewguysf
Apr 28, 2014, 6:12 AM
Looking good!

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/14022529586_b33611a785_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/nn88vu)IMG_2773 (https://flic.kr/p/nn88vu) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/people/31792645@N05/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7122/14042464032_a9b5bc12fc_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/noTijQ)IMG_2771 (https://flic.kr/p/noTijQ) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/people/31792645@N05/), on Flickr

viewguysf
Apr 28, 2014, 6:29 AM
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2939/14042710992_0a956aa452_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/noUyJL)IMG_2805 (https://flic.kr/p/noUyJL) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/people/31792645@N05/), on Flickr
While it's a drastic improvement over the photo I took 23 months ago, I think 38 Dolores really looks bad from this important angle on Market Street that I see more than any other.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7216/7268625920_cc710d845d_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/c5iBfy)IMG_0640 - Version 2 (https://flic.kr/p/c5iBfy) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/people/31792645@N05/), on Flickr

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 29, 2014, 1:51 AM
This evening a machine is sorting out the concrete and bricks from the soil. View from the 24th floor of the Essex Fox Plaza April 28, 2014

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/14054526781_2bc6b9ff8a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/npX8ag)

Gordo
Apr 29, 2014, 3:01 AM
Wow, great shot Jerry. I look forward to seeing the same view as it rises :)

timbad
Apr 29, 2014, 5:25 AM
... View from the 24th floor of the Essex Fox Plaza April 28, 2014

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7200/14054526781_2bc6b9ff8a_b.jpg


... and look at that beautiful new contra-flow protected bike lane to boot!

NOPA
May 1, 2014, 5:16 PM
San Francisco's population hit 836,620 in 2013 according to population estimates by state officials released yesterday. The city added 10,600 residents and 2,377 new housing units.

San Jose also topped the one million mark (again).

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Bay-Area-is-fastest-growing-region-in-state-5442241.php#photo-6241045

NYC2ATX
May 1, 2014, 8:44 PM
Where can one find all the new city population estimates? Is that information publicly available yet?

fimiak
May 1, 2014, 8:54 PM
San Francisco's population hit 836,620 in 2013 according to population estimates by state officials released yesterday. The city added 10,600 residents and 2,377 new housing units.

San Jose also topped the one million mark (again).

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Bay-Area-is-fastest-growing-region-in-state-5442241.php#photo-6241045

If the population increase remains steady then we willl see 1 million in SF in 2030. Unfortunately I suspect that NIMBYism will slow the growth at some point in the next 16 years. I think the next mayoral election will be a big one.

fflint
May 1, 2014, 11:07 PM
Where can one find all the new city population estimates? Is that information publicly available yet?
I linked to the report in the thread I started about this subject here (http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211117).

Folks3000
May 1, 2014, 11:08 PM
Where can one find all the new city population estimates? Is that information publicly available yet?

http://www.census.gov/popest/data/

Here is where it will all be when it gets officially released.

mt_climber13
May 1, 2014, 11:48 PM
]Unfortunately I suspect that NIMBYism will slow the growth at some point in the next 16 years. I think the next mayoral election will be a big one.

Oh? Kind of like the backlash against Willie Brown after the dot com boom of 1998- 2001 (which was much bigger and inflated property values and rents much higher than they are today) that put Gavin Newsom (one of Willie's best friends and very pro development) into the mayor's office.. for 8 years?

I remember the mood of the city was much more hostile toward the tech industry back then (flyers being passed out telling people to key the cars of tech workers). And pro development/ growth/ height forces still won city wide elections. I think a lot of you are being a little too histrionic. City wide elections favor much more moderation. These activists we hear from are in a very small minority, contained in certain districts and neighborhoods (and many of them probably aren't even legal voting citizens anyway). I posted a couple weeks ago a poll taken by the Chronicle that stated, city wide, 72% of San Franciscans favor the tech industry, and 60% favor tech workers themselves. And most of this new growth and added population is from the tech industry, and they certainly aren't going to vote against their interests. In fact, the voting booth could be the big, silent backlash from the techies toward the activists blocking and throwing up on their tech buses.

mbb
May 2, 2014, 1:09 PM
One of the keys to SF area population growth has to be increased density in cities just South of SF, e.g. Daily City near the BART station. It can't be the case that density drops at a somewhat arbitrary city limit, with no re-development / densification just south of the border.

Link N. Parker
May 2, 2014, 3:43 PM
One of the keys to SF area population growth has to be increased density in cities just South of SF, e.g. Daily City near the BART station. It can't be the case that density drops at a somewhat arbitrary city limit, with no re-development / densification just south of the border.

Exactly; there is no reason in the world for density or smart urban planning to stop at an arbitrary city limit/border. Towns outside of San Francisco can start building correctly and densifying...especially if they border San Francisco.

pizzaguy
May 2, 2014, 6:50 PM
Daly City is already super dense.

a very long weekend
May 2, 2014, 7:21 PM
big news on the corner of market and van ness/svn http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/05/02/midmarket_honda_dealership_sold_to_become_new_housing.php

from the earlier sfbt article:

The southern portion of the triangular property is zoned for a 400 foot tower and a shorter podium. Zoning along Market Street allows for a 120-foot midrise.
...
The development is complicated by the fact that the BART tunnel sits below the property. Boas said that the tube would probably necessitate a shorter building —with a shallower foundation —on a portion of the property, but “it gets pretty technical beyond that.” The property could probably accommodate between 500 and 700 housing units. In the current market, the site would probably sell for between $50 million and $70 million.

damn, crescent heights really get it done. it'll be years before this is entitled, but i bet this gang moves as fast as they can on it. it's a triangular lot with lane access, so hopefully there's a commercial wrap the length of svn coming down from market. makes me drool to imagine that intersection in 10 years.