SAN FRANCISCO | Projects: Under Construction, Approved, and Proposed

[plutonicpanda]

Not a building but the new Central Subway--a new set of photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/municentralsubway/page1
Good pics! How are the subway cars there? I'm not too familiar with SanFrans transit. I've used it a few times but I need to check out the subways. I absolutely despise the Red Line here in LA, but it's mostly because of the people that use it(too many hostile homeless people acting dumb) and the train cars suck. They are updating the cars however.

[Pedestrian]

Good pics! How are the subway cars there? I'm not too familiar with SanFrans transit. I've used it a few times but I need to check out the subways. I absolutely despise the Red Line here in LA, but it's mostly because of the people that use it(too many hostile homeless people acting dumb) and the train cars suck. They are updating the cars however.

We have 2 different systems, BART and Muni Metro, of course. On the central spine of Market Street, where they are both underground, the 2 systems operate above and below each other, BART deeper than Muni.

BART's cars are very old--from the 1970s--and being completely replaced within the next couple of years: https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/cars .

Muni Metro's rolling stock are modern streetcars that operate in 3 modes: As streetcars, in dedicated rights of way on the surface and underground. They can be linked together into multicar trains but usually not more than 2 at a time. Much of the Muni fleet is also being replaced: https://www.sfmta.com/projects-planning/projects/new-muni-trains

[Jerry of San Fran]

Demolition is happening now at 1699 Market St, the corner of Market St. and Valencia. There will be a 9 story residence built on the site. There is a burst of activity west of Van Ness Avenue this year. The photo is mine. The architectural drawing is from Predidio Development Partners, LLC at http://presidiodp.com/Residential-89.html

It is quite curious that the drawing of the Fox Plaza condo proposal is still at the site. That condo project was to be built in 2005 but died on the vine.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4168/34701686866_68135ba213_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UStdvY)1699 MARKET ST. 05/18/2017 (https://flic.kr/p/UStdvY)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4161/33932801453_44b4c19c05_q.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TGwtEV)1699 Market St. San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/TGwtEV)

[timbad]

Demolition is happening now at 1699 Market St, the corner of Market St. and Valencia. ...

and socketsite with the follow-up (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2017/05/major-market-street-development-underway.html) after Jerry breaks the story

[timbad]

Moscone

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[sfbams]

Preparatory work on the new Warrior's Stadium:http://i.imgur.com/TDC79dI.jpg

[timbad]

Preparatory work on the new Warrior's Stadium...

thank you. this project has its own thread (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7801105#post7801105) and IMO the webcam (http://www.chasecenter.com/webcam) and webcams (https://app.oxblue.com/open/clarkconstruction/chasecenter) actually keep us quite well updated visually

[Jerry of San Fran]

I am certain that Socket Site got the story ahead of me by half a day. :--->) I saw the demolition while on a MUNI streetcar, hopped off to get photos.

and socketsite with the follow-up (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2017/05/major-market-street-development-underway.html) after Jerry breaks the story

[timbad]

the little passageway between Lumina and the MTC building

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the 'little Hong Kong' shot

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the skyline looks much more haphazard from some northern vantage points

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[pseudolus]

the little passageway between Lumina and the MTC building

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pretty fancy skate park

[Pedestrian]

pretty fancy skate park

:iagree:

[gillynova]

According to the SF Chronicle, the Salesforce Tower will be fully enclosed by the end of July and will be fully completed by Jan 2018.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/place/article/5-reasons-Salesforce-Tower-is-so-provocative-11162909.php#photo-12914649

[homebucket]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4244/33986295934_41ddbd4efd_b.jpg
Taken by me

[Pedestrian]

^^Warriors arena work front and (almost) center.

[gillynova]

FINALLY!!! GREAT NEWS FOR THE BAY AREA!

Feds approve grant for Caltrain electrification project

The Federal Transit Administration said Monday that it will approve a grant to electrify Caltrain tracks, guaranteeing several hundred million dollars for the project and allowing it to move forward.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein announced in a tweet Monday that Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao told her she would sign off on the grant.

For those who don't know, it will replace a diesel dependent train system that goes from San Jose to San Francisco to electricity, which will increase speeds and will have a positive impact on the environment in the area.

Currently, Caltrain from San Jose to San Francisco takes 59 minutes, but with electrifying the train, it will take 50 minutes.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/22/federal-fta-grant-caltrain-electrification/

[Pedestrian]

For those who don't know, it will replace a diesel dependent train system that goes from San Jose to San Francisco to electricity, which will increase speeds and will have a positive impact on the environment in the area.


Most importantly to San Franciscans, any train that transits a tunnel from 4th & Townsend to the new TransBay Terminal MUST be electric. Diesel trains can't do it, I assume because their emissions are a no-go in the tunnel. So electrification is a key first step in bringing trains, whether commuter or HSR, into the Terminal.

[timbad]

glad to hear the Caltrain news. such an idiotic little episode.

random things...

Indiana St in Dogpatch

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office building on 4th and Brannan

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the back of the office building on Townsend and 6th is visible from Brannan

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the behemoth of a block between 7th and 8th on Brannan

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detail

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the interior of the Horror on Harrison kinda looks cool in its own sterile way

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Ringold Alley out back

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this is the final product?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4275/33972462014_12d0986c95_b.jpg

Folsom and Rausch

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6th and Howard, finally in some decent lighting

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the little one on Market just west of Van Ness

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it also looks like this other one on that block (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/hayes-valley-and-franklin-street-rising.html), on the Franklin side, has started

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Fulton and Laguna in Hayes Valley

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[botoxic]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4155/34606278642_a554b4ba34_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UJ3dYA)
San Francisco Skyline (https://flic.kr/p/UJ3dYA) by Johnny Chin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnnydckc/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4225/34068630533_d75c758310_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TUwCVB)
NKC_1505 (https://flic.kr/p/TUwCVB) by Nick Chong (https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickgt2/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4200/34068636733_02de42b153_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TUwELv)
NKC_1690 (https://flic.kr/p/TUwELv) by Nick Chong (https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickgt2/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4276/34492731990_0545bbe18a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Uy1gvG)
NKC_1699 (https://flic.kr/p/Uy1gvG) by Nick Chong (https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickgt2/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4226/34068638943_985dcd7783_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TUwFqB)
NKC_1712 (https://flic.kr/p/TUwFqB) by Nick Chong (https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickgt2/), on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4252/34492731090_8e587d90bf_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Uy1gfb)
NKC_1742 (https://flic.kr/p/Uy1gfb) by Nick Chong (https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickgt2/), on Flickr

[azsunsurfer]

Wow 700 million to shave off 9 minutes for commuting times, sounds like money well spent!

[fimiak]

Wow 700 million to shave off 9 minutes for commuting times, sounds like money well spent!

It also moves more trains, twice as many people, allows for fewer track repairs, new High Speed Rail trains, and finally the ability to enter downtown San Francisco underground. It is an outstanding deal.

[Pedestrian]

It also moves more trains, twice as many people, allows for fewer track repairs, new High Speed Rail trains, and finally the ability to enter downtown San Francisco underground. It is an outstanding deal.

Let's just say "it" is a controversial deal (I assume "it" is the TransBay Terminal--the reference isn't 100% clear).

It's there now. Much of the money is spent. But when it was still just a proposal I argued the city's business district was moving south and would engulf the existing terminal at 4th & Townsend while, simultaneously, new transit (the T-Third and Central Subway) was being built to conveniently get people from the old financial district to the existing terminal. I argued we'd get a lot more bang for the buck by building a new terminal at 4th & Townsend and spending the additional money saved on making the planned transit improvements even better (say platforms on the Central Subway allowing longer trains and/or extending that at least to North Beach) to make it even more convenient for more people to get to the new terminal.

But the city didn't go that way. Why not I'm still not sure. It astounded me then and now that the TransBay District Board, with the generally anti-development Chris Daly on it, went for the grandest new scheme. But they did. And while I remain concerned the Terminal building could become a maintenance and safety nightmare and a homeless magnet--and seem rather empty much of the time--I love the new towers that we probably wouldn't have but for the need to pay for the terminal.

[fimiak]

The 'it' is Caltrain electrification. You are discussing decisions made over a decade ago, but the person I was replying to was complaining about the recently awarded Caltrain grant. As you implied, the buildings that are growing around Transbay would not have existed if the Transbay terminal was not being built. We would have have gotten a Salesforce Tower & six more towers near 4th & townsend. I think things have mostly worked out well, except we have to finish by getting funding for DTX.

[pseudolus]

from the California Pacific webcam, I can see in the background that 1545 Pine (next to Grubstake) is being unwrapped. Anyone in the neighborhood who can grab a photo?

http://trumarkurban.com/portfolio/pine-street/

[BushMan]

from the California Pacific webcam, I can see in the background that 1545 Pine (next to Grubstake) is being unwrapped. Anyone in the neighborhood who can grab a photo?

http://trumarkurban.com/portfolio/pine-street/

JUST walked by there this morning, still mostly wrapped.

On another note, the Grubstake diner is still there, I thought the old structure was going to be torn down as part of the new development?

[pseudolus]

Here's the side visible from the California Pacific cam.
http://i.imgur.com/9A8fVmP.jpg

[viewguysf]

On another note, the Grubstake diner is still there, I thought the old structure was going to be torn down as part of the new development?

No--that is a possible additional development, but we'll see what happens. It was bought by the owner of Mayes Oyster House who said he'd keep the Grubstake open, but then seemed to change his mind.

[timbad]

Moscone again

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skatepark getting pavers

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sidewalk on Main St side of MTC building getting widened

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little alley next to the new hotel on King St also has gotten fancy paving

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work on the east side of Potrero Hill

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sidewalks starting to reform on the west side of Indiana St in Dogpatch

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about at the limits of my old camera (and haze), but the skyline as seen from the hills above San Mateo. San Mateo downtown in the foreground, runways of SFO barely discernible on the left, Oakland also barely there on the right in distance

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[timbad]

office building on Townsend

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100 Hooper

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[1977]

:tup:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4271/34240067744_dbca187093_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UaFieA)San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/UaFieA) by David Yu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidyuweb/), on Flickr

[iamfishhead]

Haven't seen this one in a while. The hotel at 3rd and Townsend has a crane up.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4284/34966051292_468d14c106_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VgQ9Rj)2017-06-05 19.39.21 (https://flic.kr/p/VgQ9Rj) by Joshua Goldstein (https://www.flickr.com/photos/146863784@N06/), on Flickr

[Pedestrian]

SPUR Talk: Why is Housing so Expensive?
By Roger Rudick
May 31, 2017

The San Francisco Bay Area Planning and Urban Research Association (SPUR), during a lunchtime presentation yesterday . . . listed all the reasons housing prices are so high and offered some suggestions for how advocates can help supply get more in line with demand. “Sales prices have continued to rise–most new condos are in the $1,200 to $1,400 per square foot range,” said Mark Hogan of OpenScope Studio, which designs in-fill housing projects . . . .


http://sf.streetsblog.org/2017/05/31/spur-talk-why-is-housing-so-expensive/

[viewguysf]

150 Van Ness @ Hayes, update on rental apartment building

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4237/35104649696_37168ac502_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Vu5vjY)Rental apartment building @ 150 Van Ness (https://flic.kr/p/Vu5vjY) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/), on Flickr

[Jerry of San Fran]

A companion photo to viewguysf's post yesterday - from the opposite side of the building site.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4251/35106137836_6fe88561c6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Vud8Gy)2017_06_2017 - 150 Van Ness (https://flic.kr/p/Vud8Gy) by Apollo's Light (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/), on Flickr

[Pedestrian]

Was down in the area today and noticed how much more I like 300 Fremont (Solaire) than I expected to. You have to be close up to notice the aluminum sun shades (or whatever they are ) but they add a lot of interest to the facade:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x128/BSTJr/IMG_1805_zpsgooqlju1.jpg
Taken today by me.

[viewguysf]

Was down in the area today and noticed how much more I like 300 Fremont (Solaire) than I expected to. You have to be close up to notice the aluminum sun shades (or whatever they are ) but they add a lot of interest to the facade.

Yes--many of us said the same thing as its construction wrapped up. It's a nicely done smaller tower, even though it has a conventional shape.

[iamfishhead]

Yes--many of us said the same thing as its construction wrapped up. It's a nicely done smaller tower, even though it has a conventional shape.

And there's a Philz in their affordable component. :tup:

[Pedestrian]

And there's a Philz in their affordable component. :tup:

I suppose there's irony there (in "affordable" folks drinking $4.50 cups of coffee).

[viewguysf]

I suppose there's irony there (in "affordable" folks drinking $4.50 cups of coffee).

It's a sidewalk retail component as with so many of our projects, separate from the Mercy Housing residential portion. Considering its location next to Solaire on a prominent corner, it's perfectly logical. With so many retail spaces available (witness upper Market, the upcoming Transbay Terminal, etc.) owners and developers are happy to get good leases.

[Pedestrian]

^^But the irony is still there for the reason given.

I know, I know. By now there's probably a marijuana dispensary in the Delancy St. housing on the Embaradero. SF is full of irony.

PS: I'm a big Philz fan (because I drink decaf and they are one of the few places that has multiple decaf choices). . . but I can afford both the coffee and market rate housing.

[Austinlee]

:tup:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4271/34240067744_dbca187093_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UaFieA)San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/UaFieA) by David Yu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidyuweb/), on Flickr

Fantabulous!

[pseudolus]

I suppose there's irony there (in "affordable" folks drinking $4.50 cups of coffee).

The Philz at 1110 Ocean Avenue is also in a "deeply-affordable" building.

[Pedestrian]

^^Does anybody know if at these projects where the affordable component is a separate but adjacent structure whether there is a single HOA/management or whether the market rate building and the affordable building each have their own? This is one aspect of the whole "affordable housing" program I've never understood. The market rate portion of the combined buildings and ownership substantially outnumbers the affordable portion and so it has always seemed to me the market rate owners might do things (renting retail spaces to very high end retailers is a trivial example) and incur costs for additional amenities or maintenance that might be a financial burden to affordable owners. On the other hand, if the buildings are managed separately then over the years a striking disparity may develop between the services in and even the maintenance of the buildings which could be emphasized by the fact they are next door to each other.

[timbad]

... The hotel at 3rd and Townsend has a crane up....


fwiw, here is the view over the fence

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4253/34383402913_52e4e7bc51_b.jpg

[minesweeper]

Hotel Via by the ballpark appears just a few weeks away from opening. They're taking reservations for July (http://www.hotelviasf.com/update/summer-starts-at-att-park/) and the rooftop bar is supposed to open later this month.

https://i.imgur.com/Q7IY1GOh.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Q7IY1GO.jpg)

https://i.imgur.com/l7VBvvVh.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/l7VBvvV.jpg)

[colemonkee]

Are those terracotta or metal panels? The look great either way.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Very nice mid rise! Id love a few of those down here

[Busy Bee]

Are those terracotta or metal panels? The look great either way.

They're no doubt some sort of anodized aluminum. Yes, they do look good - this building turned out quite nicely.

[pseudolus]

They're no doubt some sort of anodized aluminum. Yes, they do look good - this building turned out quite nicely.
"No doubt"? I assumed they were some sort of glazed lick-a-brick. Very similar looking to the monstrously ugly new Hampton Inn on Mission.

[viewguysf]

"No doubt"? I assumed they were some sort of glazed lick-a-brick. Very similar looking to the monstrously ugly new Hampton Inn on Mission.

After seeing the building numerous times from around and while in the ballpark, I really think the color is ugly, not going well with its surroundings.

[timbad]

After seeing the building numerous times from around and while in the ballpark, I really think the color is ugly, not going well with its surroundings.

also agree that the overall form and materials look good, and am glad to have the space activated, but the color ... well, it is across the street from the Giants - the only 'surroundings' it harmonizes with. ;)

[viewguysf]

also agree that the overall form and materials look good, and am glad to have the space activated, but the color ... well, it is across the street from the Giants - the only 'surroundings' it harmonizes with. ;)

I couldn't agree more, except if that's the case, it should have been bright orange. :haha:

[timbad]

sidewalks opening on west side of Indiana in Dogpatch

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the Exchange is really starting to mess up this view of the skyline. see, this is why Mission Bay shouldn't have been zoned so high (sarcasm!).

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4279/35101811511_f6a317b9a2_b.jpg

sidewalks on west (Tennessee St) side of AbacaSF (Third and 23rd) are going in... they appear ample (as well they might be - Tennessee St is quite wide itself)

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the corner with 23rd St

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the 23rd St side now that scaffolding is down

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Bluxome Alley side of office building on Brannan and almost Fourth

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not sure I was aware this one (https://www.buzzbuzzhome.com/us/750-harrison) had started

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passageway next to MTC building

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the gas station next to Jasper (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/07/development-to-replace-rincon-hill-gas-station-redesigned.html) is still just fenced off

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Moscone

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I didn't realize how much of the existing Moscone they were going to have to redo in this expansion

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south side of Market between Sixth and Seventh. three shrouds

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and a night shot of that one on Van Ness over by Jerry's building

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[Pedestrian]

south side of Market between Sixth and Seventh. three shrouds

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4195/34844936260_feb7d516bc_b.jpg


There is one new infill building going up here--center shroud in the photo--but what's really interesting are several renovations of really beautiful older buildings including the one behind the far left shroud. I just hope they get going soon on the new projects on the north side of Market and also finish up the renovations on the corners at 7th St--far right shroud in the photo--and at McAllister (both hotels of one sort or another). When all this is done, Market St. could become the gem it should be (although something will need to be done about the scary street people--this has always seemed to me to be the scariest place in San Francisco to walk or sit outside at one of the new sidewalk dining spots; worse even than the Tenderloin whose scariness seems to me to be over-rated).

[BushMan]

There is one new infill building going up here--center shroud in the photo--but what's really interesting are several renovations of really beautiful older buildings including the one behind the far left shroud. I just hope they get going soon on the new projects on the north side of Market and also finish up the renovations on the corners at 7th St--far right shroud in the photo--and at McAllister (both hotels of one sort or another). When all this is done, Market St. could become the gem it should be (although something will need to be done about the scary street people--this has always seemed to me to be the scariest place in San Francisco to walk or sit outside at one of the new sidewalk dining spots; worse even than the Tenderloin whose scariness seems to me to be over-rated).

VERY exciting what's happening on this block!

Although regarding the "scary people", don't forget this is SF so the Mayor and Supes will do absolutely nothing. The best we can hope for is that the scariness will be minimized by two factors:

1) They will get pushed further out to a less populated part of the city.
2) They will remain but the scariness will be diluted due to increased foot traffic and an improving ratio of other folks to street people.

[Pedestrian]

^^My issue with the "scary" folk is personal. About 3 weeks ago I was sitting in the Subway near 9th St having a drink and reading a newspaper when one of them "went off" on me and chased me to the back of the store throwing a soda bottle at me with no provocation at all. And this has happened in this area before--not out on the sidewalk but inside businesses. It really needs to be controlled. I don't know why they are so concentrated on this section of Market vs farther downtown or farther out, but increased beat patrols by cops and other measures would sure help and if the area gets more and more "market rate" residents I'm hoping they demand help from their Supe (allas, the unfortunate Jane Kim I think) and/or the SFPD.

[pseudolus]

1) They will get pushed further out to a less populated part of the city.


two stabbings in the Excelsior/Mission Terrace in 24 hours

http://hoodline.com/2017/06/3-stabbings-hammer-attack-mark-violent-24-hours-in-san-francisco

[timbad]

went down to take a better look at the Schlage Lock site (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/2016/06/sf-housing-schlage-lock-starts-construction.html) since I had noticed some digging from the train recently. and... essentially all I can tell from the closer look is that they have been digging. looking south from sort of above the Caltrain tunnel

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4260/35123857171_cde748b9b2_b.jpg

from farther to the right of the previous photo

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4200/35123862431_4b3120741d_b.jpg

looking east

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4233/35088045312_45eaed0e45_b.jpg

looking back north toward where the first couple pics were taken

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4238/35123859811_b6ba094f22_b.jpg

[timbad]

also happened by the housing going up to replace the Alice Griffith projects (https://sfbay.ca/2015/04/08/alice-griffith-public-housing-begins-rebuild/) in the Hunters Point area. (the building in the foreground of the first pic I don't think is part of it.)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4254/35253477325_1acc610e91_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4232/34866272600_56555f0b85_b.jpg

here you can see the existing housing on the left and the new stuff still needing some finishing touches

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4210/35087945112_be6c14dc80_b.jpg

one more section is not as far along

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4285/35123791621_54f657e90a_b.jpg

from above, you can see the existing housing on the left in mid-distance, and the new buildings to its right. (Hunters Point ex-Naval-Shipyard in the distance, and beyond it barely visible is the new housing of The Shipyard development)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4231/34866321050_815bbb1fff_b.jpg

[timbad]

some good skyline views from Bayview Park (I think that's what that hill above where Candlestick Park used to be is called?)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4199/35253559085_17de9841f7_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4212/35253563085_62c6dceb14_b.jpg

btw, some decent-looking (in my opinion) housing has gone up along Jamestown St on the north side of that hill:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4243/34444407683_d1cf53076f_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4281/35123817111_3aa0a76be8_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4235/34444422913_09f88e6f88_b.jpg

[gillynova]

I suppose there's irony there (in "affordable" folks drinking $4.50 cups of coffee).

Did you know, you can bring in any size stainless steel water bottle, like a hydro flask, and they will refill it to the best of their capabilities for the size of a small? I have a 64oz hydro flask and they usually fill it to ~32oz (normal price is $3.50 for 8oz and $4.50 for 12oz I believe).

[Pedestrian]

Did you know, you can bring in any size stainless steel water bottle, like a hydro flask, and they will refill it to the best of their capabilities for the size of a small? I have a 64oz hydro flask and they usually fill it to ~32oz (normal price is $3.50 for 8oz and $4.50 for 12oz I believe).

No, didn't know that. I have the largest size Yeti insulated bottle (64 oz?) but I don't have the chutzpah to ask them to fill it for the price of a small coffee.

[AndrewK]

some good skyline views from Bayview Park (I think that's what that hill above where Candlestick Park used to be is called?)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4199/35253559085_17de9841f7_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4212/35253563085_62c6dceb14_b.jpg


We called it the Hill of Death when we used to through parties up there. Lugging a generator and speakers up that path was not an easy task.

[gillynova]

No, didn't know that. I have the largest size Yeti insulated bottle (64 oz?) but I don't have the chutzpah to ask them to fill it for the price of a small coffee.

Lmfao, talking about Philz coffee is very off topic but when you go to the cashier, just say you have a personal cup. Sad to see you got banned from this forum though... not sure why

[pseudolus]

This didn't get covered anywhere (that I know of), but on Saturday the three developers presented their competing proposals for housing at the Balboa reservoir. Up to 1200 units.

http://sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=1179

Edit: spoke too soon...on socketsite now

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2017/06/final-three-plans-for-redeveloping-balboa-reservoir-site-revealed.html

[boyinthecity]

I visited the Venus sculpture at Trinity Plaza. With our typical June weather comes the typical summer winds and fog pattern. The plaza was like being in a wind storm (as can be enhanced by tall and bulky structures)
Yet, what makes Venus awesome is that it is perfectly situated like a tornado at the center of the storm.

https://02de304.netsolhost.com\helga\trinity-plaza-360.jpg
source: me

[Jerry of San Fran]

[QUOTE=boyinthecity;7836274]I visited the Venus sculpture at Trinity Plaza. With our typical June weather comes the typical summer winds and fog pattern. The plaza was like being in a wind storm (as can be enhanced by tall and bulky structures)
Yet, what makes Venus awesome is that it is perfectly situated like a tornado at the center of the storm.

boyinthecity - A fantastic photograph! I am surprised that it would be windy as I thought the buildings around the plaza would have protected it. A few days ago I had to hold on to a light post at the corner of Polk and Hayes streets the wind was so strong. It will be interesting to see how the wind changes with the new 14 story building across from the Essex Fox Plaza.

[timbad]

the little park at 17th and Folsom is going to open June 23

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4220/35244579871_7ebd79fdab_b.jpg

the west end

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4205/35207866782_741acda7dd_b.jpg

west entrance

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4228/35374263265_cedbfdd35b_b.jpg

looking east from west end

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4271/35374257955_013b5749e8_b.jpg

skyline from very-occupied Dolores Park

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4219/34564456203_c7536f8b2d_b.jpg

and from Tank Hill

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4220/35207849792_136f2dfbf6_b.jpg

[timbad]

Church and Market

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4196/35269323941_14ab690fd3_b.jpg

Laguna and Hayes

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4208/35269321251_94aab0327b_b.jpg

Franklin, near Market

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4286/34589413223_de2c8ae457_b.jpg

Market, west of Van Ness

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4203/34589411213_c0a28897f0_b.jpg

I'd completely forgotten about this one. Mission, just east of Seventh

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4206/34589408963_d3aed4c16f_b.jpg

MTC building passageway

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4261/35232443492_b18493fcd5_b.jpg

something going on on the north side of Stillman, on the south side of I-80 bridge approach, looking west from Second St

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4234/35398571105_00642ec4e2_b.jpg

[minesweeper]

something going on on the north side of Stillman, on the south side of I-80 bridge approach, looking west from Second St

It looks like that's going to be the Bus Storage Facility (http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/2017/03/IFB_17-05_Bus_Storage_Facility_Pre-Bid_Conference_Presentation.pdf) for the TTC.

It looks surprisingly complicated; they'll have to excavate down for clearance under the eastbound 80 structure, and they're building an elevated bus ramp down under the westbound 80 structure.

[timbad]

It looks like that's going to be the Bus Storage Facility (http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/2017/03/IFB_17-05_Bus_Storage_Facility_Pre-Bid_Conference_Presentation.pdf) for the TTC. ...

thanks minesweeper!

when I was poking around trying to figure out what this was, I came across this (http://hoodline.com/2016/11/meet-mary-february-south-beach-gardener-tattoo-collector). I suppose that little garden got subsumed in this

[a very long weekend]

new grand hyatt just yesterday broke ground down at SFO (technically part of SF). normally not worth a post BUT it'll include the addition of a new airtrain stop! completion 2019.

here's the site (https://goo.gl/maps/zMWBZ16tkGw).
http://i.imgur.com/NUwC2r4.png?1
http://i.imgur.com/i9wzCDJ.png?1
http://i.imgur.com/ScvWm3i.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/1vQQAGp.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/DZF8BtF.png?1

[fimiak]

I think it is definitely worthy of a post..and probably a thread. SFO expanding is great news for the entire region.

[pseudolus]

I think it is definitely worthy of a post..and probably a thread. SFO expanding is great news for the entire region.

Isn't this a replacement for the Airport Hilton that was torn down to make way for the new International terminal 15-20 years ago now?

https://www.flysfo.com/sites/default/files/styles/history_timeline_slider_images/public/2011.032.0740.jpg?itok=-FgV3LGV

[viewguysf]

Isn't this a replacement for the Airport Hilton that was torn down to make way for the new International terminal 15-20 years ago now?

Yes--and it has been a long time coming.

[gillynova]

The new hotel by the airport is def a worthy post! Glad to hear about the expansion and a new airtrain stop. It should also connect to BART, no?

[pseudolus]

Yes--and it has been a long time coming.

from SFO's website (I can imagine Don Draper on a business trip picking up a stewardess at the nightclub):

San Francisco Airport Hilton 1962
SFO Museum 2011.032.0740

SFO added a 380-room hotel to its growing list of amenities. The San Francisco Airport Hilton was the first of the Hilton chain to be located at an airport. It featured the Tiger-A-Go-Go nightclub, which was popular with passengers, flight crews, and the general public.

Edit: 1962 is the date of the photo; the hotel opened in 1959

[viewguysf]

The San Francisco Airport Hilton closed in the mid 1990s and was demolished for the International Terminal construction. I remember going to events there multiple times.

[coyotetrickster]

The new hotel by the airport is def a worthy post! Glad to hear about the expansion and a new airtrain stop. It should also connect to BART, no?


You will still need to use the Airtrain system to get to the BART station.

[botoxic]

I only admire SF's skyline on two occasions:

Day
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4225/34548926374_1b200fbc60_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UCYh9o)
San Francisco skyline from Potrero Hill (https://flic.kr/p/UCYh9o) by Adam Derewecki (https://www.flickr.com/photos/derewecki/), on Flickr

And Night
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4262/35395159435_7599322138_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VVKrKz)
SF Skyline at Night wide (https://flic.kr/p/VVKrKz) by Adam Derewecki (https://www.flickr.com/photos/derewecki/), on Flickr

[colemonkee]

Dayum.

[Jerry of San Fran]

The foundation is quite deep now for 1554 Market Street. The wood framing in the background is another building going up in the first block of Franklin Street.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4289/35496802535_a96a81e0d3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/W5JoGP)1554 Market Street - San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/W5JoGP)

[timbad]

if you look carefully, you can see a glimmer of cladding starting to peek out along the shadowed back side of the office building going up on Townsend

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4255/35497377355_ac321bca57_b.jpg

[gillynova]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4258/35365204481_f6216cc8a4_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VT6VbR)Salesforce Tower (https://flic.kr/p/VT6VbR) by Jorge Moran (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmoran/), no Flickr

[Pedestrian]

The foundation is quite deep now for 1554 Market Street. The wood framing in the background is another building going up in the first block of Franklin Street.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4289/35496802535_a96a81e0d3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/W5JoGP)1554 Market Street - San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/W5JoGP)

Let's remind people what this is:

http://www.handelarchitects.com/images/projects/location/san-francisco/1554-market-street/1.jpg
http://www.handelarchitects.com/projects/project-main/-1554-market.html

Over on Franklin St., the French-American School has proposed a 320 ft tower but as far as I know it isn't approved. They may just be clearing the lot.

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/98-Franklin-Street-Site-2016-1.jpg
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/11/french-american-school-proposes-320-foot-tower-in-hayes-valley.html

[pseudolus]

Over on Franklin St., the French-American School has proposed a 320 ft tower but as far as I know it isn't approved. They may just be clearing the lot.

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/98-Franklin-Street-Site-2016-1.jpg
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/11/french-american-school-proposes-320-foot-tower-in-hayes-valley.html

It could be this:

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/22-Franklin-Rendered.jpg

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/hayes-valley-and-franklin-street-rising.html

[Pedestrian]

^^ Mostly likely that's it. Strange: I looked at the new edition of the SF Business Times which has maps supposedly showing all active residential and commercial projects and didn't see that one.

[Jerry of San Fran]

Due to the aerial perspective it is difficult to discern 22 Franklin. In this map the auto repair shop is shown and is now gone, with the new building in build.

I've marked in blue line the different develops. This is a very hot block with lots happening with only one old building to be left standing by the end of 3-5 years.

One Oak was just approved & now goes before the Board of Supervisors for approval. This one at Oak and Van Ness Avenue will be the tall one!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4213/34670879234_bece7bca3b_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UPKjtU)22 Franklin/1 Oak/1554 Market/Proposed (https://flic.kr/p/UPKjtU)
Map from Socket Site.

[pseudolus]

This is a very hot block with lots happening with only one old building to be left standing by the end of 3-5 years.

I see the Miramar Apartments on the corner, which is considered historic and thus protected, but I also see a building between One Oak and "being built now". Is there a proposal for that one?

[Pedestrian]

I see the Miramar Apartments on the corner, which is considered historic and thus protected, but I also see a building between One Oak and "being built now". Is there a proposal for that one?

THIS rendering doesn't seem to show that little building remaining. Isn't it part of the 1554 Market site?

http://www.handelarchitects.com/images/projects/location/san-francisco/1554-market-street/1.jpg

[Pedestrian]

^^In case anyone missed this in the same neighborhood:

S.F. Conservatory of Music looks to build tower on Van Ness
By J.K. Dineen
September 27, 2015 Updated: September 27, 2015 6:44pm

The San Francisco Conservatory of Music . . . has filed a preliminary application with the Planning Department to build an 11-story tower at 200 Van Ness Ave., a 140-unit building that will house about 300 students and faculty and include a publicly accessible performance space.

The filing comes eight months after the conservatory bought the Lighthouse for the Blind building at 214 Van Ness Ave., a 13,000-square-foot commercial building, as well as a 27-unit, rent-controlled residential building next door at 200 Van Ness Ave . . . .

Construction is expected to begin within the next three years. The architect on the project is Mark Cavagnero, who designed the SFJazz Center on Franklin Street . . . .

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/S-F-Conservatory-of-Music-looks-to-build-tower-6533723.php

Unfortunately, there's no update and the school didn't respond to a BizTimes inquiry for their current issue.

Socketsite did publish some renderings in October:

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/200-Van-Ness-Avenue-Rendering.jpg

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/200-Van-Ness-Avenue-Rendering-Performance-Space.jpg
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/10/proposed-conservatory-of-music-tower-cut-down-to-size.html

[pseudolus]

Unfortunately, there's no update and the school didn't respond to a BizTimes inquiry for their current issue.


a building permit was applied for on May 5 this year, so still seems to be happening

http://dbiweb.sfgov.org/dbipts/default.aspx?page=Permit&PermitNumber=201705055847&Stepin=1

[a very long weekend]

I also see a building between One Oak and "being built now". Is there a proposal for that one?

that building is park of the one oak street site.
http://i.imgur.com/qvAInWT.jpg?1

edit: also, jerry is correct as usual. 22 franklin isn't part of the french american school project, though they do include it in their massing model (view from oak, down franklin toward market street):

http://i.imgur.com/195iYaS.jpg

notice 22 franklin street midblock:
http://i.imgur.com/IZOxGaA.png

[Pedestrian]

that building is park of the one oak street site.

I disagree. You are probably saying that because One Oak and 1554 Market will be adjacent with the building gone--true--but I believe it's part of 1554 Market, not One Oak according to the renderings. It should be easy to know for sure since 1554 is being excavated: The building should be gone now. I don't know if that's the case because I haven't been by there but Jerry probably does.

I think Jerry's diagram is a bit wrong in that he drew his outline of the 1554 site showing a jog around the little building. I don't think there is a jog. The renderings of a completed 1554 certainly don't look as if there is. They show a straight property line from Market to Oak.

edit: also, jerry is correct as usual. 22 franklin isn't part of the french american school project, though they do include it in their massing model (view from oak, down franklin toward market street)

Nobody's disputing that 22 Franklin is the U/C project in Jerry's photo (I and several others have pointed out the French-Amercan tower hasn't even been approved yet). I had forgotten about 22 Franklin until reminded and even the Busness Times "Structures" issue which claims to show all current projects doesn't show it, maybe because it's too small.

[Jerry of San Fran]

I apologize for not being more careful with the lines in my aerial view! Here is a screen capture of the block from Google Earth. And yes, the small building is gone and now part of 1554 Market. I think it will all make better sense now!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4279/35496145646_725f152fb7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/W5F2r9)1554 market_google earth (https://flic.kr/p/W5F2r9)

[pseudolus]

I apologize for not being more careful with the lines in my aerial view! Here is a screen capture of the block from Google Earth. And yes, the small building is gone and now part of 1554 Market. I think it will all make better sense now!

Thanks, Jerry, for your gracious reply.

[AndrewK]

I had missed the release of the current design, I was worried it was still this one:
http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/24-Franklin-Rendering.jpg

[Pedestrian]

^^That is fabulous. I love that. Absolutely it "plays against type" and wish we had a bit more of that and a "mish-mash" neighborhood like the Van Ness/Market intersection is the perfect spot for it. Wouldn't want it plopped down in Noe Valley or on Bernal Heights, but 22 Franklin? Hey, yeah--I'd detour frequently just to see it. The only improvement: Urge "All-Star Donuts" to reopen on the ground floor.

[Pedestrian]

I'm actually excited about this in a way I'm not usually about new hotels (because I won't be staying in them). I keep hoping with every new Mid-Market project that THIS one will change the street's zeigeist:

This New Mid-Market Hotel Sounds Like a Big Deal
Proper Hotel adds James Beard-nominated chef Jason Franey and Trick Dog team members
by Caleb Pershan Jun 27, 2017, 3:12pm PDT

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Orvu7bShawn0OX-Ha3Tt5Sr09wo=/0x0:673x552/920x613/filters:focal(284x223:390x329)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55475897/properhotelscreenshot.0.png

Proper Hotel, a forthcoming luxury hotel chain with locations bound for Santa Monica, Los Angeles, and Austin, is first headed to the historic flatiron building at 7th and Market (previously home to the Renoir Hotel), and some serious food and drink players have just joined their team: James Beard award nominee Jason Franey, most recently of Monterey’s Restaurant 1833, and Josh Harris and Morgan Schick of Bon Vivants and Trick Dog cocktail fame.

. . . the hotel opens in August. Proper’s 131 rooms, which start at $400 a night, are already available for booking. Consider those prices, and the project generally, to be the latest big bet on Mid-Market . . . .

Proper will bring with it four different places to eat and drink, including a rooftop lounge . . . .

Another (botel) planned for nearby, the Yotel — headed to the Grant Building at 1095 Market — has already got Daniel Patterson onboard: He’ll put an Alta CA restaurant there.


https://sf.eater.com/2017/6/27/15882296/proper-hotel-mid-market-jason-franey-trick-dog

PS: Rode by there again today (ride the 5-Fulton a lot). Not much seems to change over the months. If they are opening in August, at least on the outside it looks like they have a lot to do.

[timbad]

I had missed the release of the current design, I was worried it was still this one:
http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/24-Franklin-Rendering.jpg

I can see that people don't pay much attention to my posts, since back on May 22 I posted this, which I would have thought would have headed off some of this discussion :shrug: :

it also looks like this other one on that block (http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/02/hayes-valley-and-franklin-street-rising.html), on the Franklin side, has started

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4227/33972465204_aa91111902_b.jpg

[viewguysf]

I can see that people don't pay much attention to my posts, since back on May 22 I posted this, which I would have thought would have headed off some of this discussion :shrug: :

I immediately remembered your original posting along with your SocketSite attachment that contained a link to this earlier edition. For a change, I agreed with the initial comments there!

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2015/11/designs-for-new-hayes-valley-development-proposed-to-rise.html