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Pedestrian

Jul 8, 2020, 6:16 AM

They're going to spend $3 billion and 10 years to increase beds from 475 to 675? I'm not sure I understand.

Hospital design has evolved to the same degree as going from the Model T to the Tesla. Everything from the services (gasses like oxygen, suction and so forth), technology (internet and other access) and infection control (most hospitals being built today have all single rooms and many have the capability to have negative pressure plus handwashing access at the entry etc) to being observable directly from a central location (nurse’s station and/or doctor’s technology access location)—no more long hospital corredors—which makes staff much more efficient and potentially reduces numbers required. A 1960s era hospital technically having 475 beds might, in a COVID time have fewer than 300 effectively.

Then there’s the CA law that all hospitals in the state be earthquake survivable—by 2030 they must not only not collapse and kill people as now but be able to remain in operation after a major quake. I’m pretty sure the existing UCSF buildings could not meet that standard (some hospitals in the city including CA Pacific, UC in Mission Bay and SF General have already been replaced so that they do).

memester

Jul 8, 2020, 9:08 PM

Hospital design has evolved to the same degree as going from the Model T to the Tesla. Everything from the services (gasses like oxygen, suction and so forth), technology (internet and other access) and infection control (most hospitals being built today have all single rooms and many have the capability to have negative pressure plus handwashing access at the entry etc) to being observable directly from a central location (nurse’s station and/or doctor’s technology access location)—no more long hospital corredors—which makes staff much more efficient and potentially reduces numbers required. A 1960s era hospital technically having 475 beds might, in a COVID time have fewer than 300 effectively.

Then there’s the CA law that all hospitals in the state be earthquake survivable—by 2030 they must not only not collapse and kill people as now but be able to remain in operation after a major quake. I’m pretty sure the existing UCSF buildings could not meet that standard (some hospitals in the city including CA Pacific, UC in Mission Bay and SF General have already been replaced so that they do).

I worked at UCSF for many years. Moffitt-Long has long been seismically unsafe. That was why the new hospital was built in Mission Bay. Pedestrian is correct, the redundancy/resilience costs engineered into new hospitals make for substantial cost during build out. CPMC spent more than 2 billion for a 200 plus room hospital in SF. and SF General spent a billion for it's new wing designed to be able to operate after a quake.

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 9, 2020, 12:30 AM

Foreground can be seen foundation work being done in what used to be a parking lot. In the background is 30 Otis Street rising. Glad to see so much happening back to back!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50092436917_0cb31d7149_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jjuQit)1629 Market St. & 30 Otis St. (https://flic.kr/p/2jjuQit)Flickr

timbad

Jul 12, 2020, 9:16 PM

lousy pic, but just a reminder that this little one (https://socketsite.com/archives/2018/06/central-soma-development-closer-to-reality-sans-x-space.html) just north of the Whole Foods on Fourth is underway

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104397913_04d6ae1a70_b.jpg

on Fifth near Folsom, I was unsure whether this was an active site last time I was by, but yesterday it was clear it is

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104973371_59f9d2d459_b.jpg

Serif

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104392068_b9ed8298db_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50105205732_2ac9753bd8_b.jpg

(wrapping around the Warfield)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104969341_db8f8dbb31_b.jpg

looking up Golden Gate from the Warfield, with the backs of 1066 and 1028 Market

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50105205237_2eac799d27_b.jpg

similar to Jerry's pic, 1629 Market with 30 Otis behind

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50105227677_d8f5b357bd_b.jpg

there is a proposal for this site on Market at Duboce (https://socketsite.com/archives/2018/01/prominent-market-street-development-closer-to-reality.html), but no idea if the draping is any sign of impending activity

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104992831_9a749e0b57_b.jpg

hard to get a good pic of 2238 Market (http://socketsite.com/archives/2019/07/market-street-mortuary-redevelopment-is-breaking-ground.html) at the time I went by

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50105228442_1ee3417588_b.jpg

pseudolus

Jul 13, 2020, 12:13 AM

on Fifth near Folsom, I was unsure whether this was an active site last time I was by, but yesterday it was clear it is

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104973371_59f9d2d459_b.jpg

which will be this?

http://ktgy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/360-5th-Street-3-1024x614.jpg

AndrewK

Jul 13, 2020, 2:23 AM

there is a proposal for this site on Market at Duboce (https://socketsite.com/archives/2018/01/prominent-market-street-development-closer-to-reality.html), but no idea if the draping is any sign of impending activity

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104992831_9a749e0b57_b.jpg

Unfortunately I think just a fresh coat of paint.

timbad

Jul 13, 2020, 5:04 AM

which will be this?

http://ktgy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/360-5th-Street-3-1024x614.jpg

as far as I know, yes (https://www.buzzbuzzhome.com/us/360-5th-street).

and thanks for the input on that one Market St site, AndrewK.

I forgot a couple pics...

at Ninth and Howard, it's rebar city

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50105229892_0d0e6ca4c3_b.jpg

1140 Harrison sort of in context

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104998486_e135dca3e1_b.jpg

seen from the Eighth St side

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104998531_c235826045_b.jpg

a few buildings up on Eighth is a little one called the Quinn

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104998581_6ab42b5491_b.jpg

speaking of Eighth, this one is just east of the intersection with Bryant (in the distance in the first pic also another newish one that went up at the corner of Seventh not too long ago)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50104997571_883681eebb_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50105233302_04990ea883_b.jpg

gillynova

Jul 15, 2020, 8:19 PM

SF Skyline

https://i.imgur.com/8Z6rr0eh.jpg

Chase Center. Future hotel location:

https://i.imgur.com/meyoafBh.jpg

Park next to Chase Center

https://i.imgur.com/CZMBrCph.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/64XNikSh.jpg

Saw this across the unfinished park in Mission Bay/Chase Center. There's a Google logo here?

https://i.imgur.com/rzvNKizh.jpg

New apartment next to Spark Social SF and a dog park

https://i.imgur.com/N0BIVEhh.jpg

Uber:

https://i.imgur.com/xCChHWth.jpg

Hunters Point

https://i.imgur.com/lXKdFOGh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/j4uOA53h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/50s7ejjh.jpg

Apartments in Hunters Point have nice view points

https://i.imgur.com/89foWMnh.jpg

Napoleon & Toland

https://i.imgur.com/JwCkM1lh.jpg

New Ferry Terminal Plaza

https://i.imgur.com/NgX2DBZh.jpg

craigs

Jul 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

Saw this across the unfinished park in Mission Bay/Chase Center. There's a Google logo here?
They construct and stage parade floats from that pier. Depending on the time of year, you can see Chinese New Year Parade floats or Gay Pride floats--those are probably Pride floats that were not used this year, as the parade was canceled.

AndrewK

Jul 16, 2020, 10:04 PM

Walked up Van Ness today, they are almost done with laying the pavers in the sidewalk on the east side between Eddy and Bush as well as the block in front of city hall, which will allow them once done to move the traffic lanes to the curb all the way from Grove to Lombard. They were also doing sidewalk work on the west side between Jackson and Green.

In work actually related to BRT, they had started to place forms for the median/platform at Mcallister and Golden Gate.

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50125251456_089eb5f0f1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jnp1Vo)Concrete Pour 7/18/2020 (https://flic.kr/p/2jnp1Vo)

timbad

Jul 20, 2020, 5:35 AM

...
one thing I had not noticed in the schematics for the [Second St streetscape] project was that the cut-through right-hand turn lane from Second onto Harrison was being eliminated...

and, it is gone...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50132528767_4e06919b73_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50132528807_de6bc9be06_b.jpg

too bad they couldn't have added some greenery or something - that's a lot of cement. also set me wondering if now they might be able to develop that corner lot. imagine that is still a Caltrans parcel, from when the freeway curved through there?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50131744108_c4cd6a7a1c_b.jpg

work is ongoing on some of the final corner treatments on Folsom

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50132300291_ff0fdfd5c3_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50131752692_ca1111d860_b.jpg

fimiak

Jul 20, 2020, 6:45 PM

That new curb at SE Second/Harrison is so beautiful to me. That intersection was a nightmare when I was walking my very old dog..cars came zipping ridiculously fast and it took them way too long to realize they had to slow down and/or stop. It was a relic from when almost nobody would even have a reason to walk down that sidewalk. I feel like this sidewalk is inviting a modern building to be built at the intersection.

timbad

Jul 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

...cars came zipping ridiculously fast and it took them way too long to realize they had to slow down and/or stop. It was a relic from when almost nobody would even have a reason to walk down that sidewalk. I feel like this sidewalk is inviting a modern building to be built at the intersection.

yes, also my experience on the one hand, and hope, on the other

Pedestrian

Jul 22, 2020, 9:42 PM

They are actually building forms for the new concrete islands etc of the Van Ness BRT . . . amazing. Right now, the work is between McAllister and Eddy.

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/001023489329/media/1672954651673196/medium/1595453984/enhance

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 22, 2020, 10:53 PM

AndrewK

Jul 23, 2020, 12:45 AM

Pedestrian - thanks for the update. I live 3 blocks away but don't get out much due to the epidemic. Glad to see some concrete work. I will now have an idea how the transit lanes will look like. I have my doubts that the changes are worth the cost.
Keep in mind that all of the work up to now has been replacing a 100+ year old sewer system as well as replacing the street lights and repaving the sidewalks, work which had to get done sooner or later regardless of the BRT project (just maybe not all in one go).

Pedestrian

Jul 23, 2020, 5:57 AM

Pedestrian - thanks for the update. I live 3 blocks away but don't get out much due to the epidemic. Glad to see some concrete work. I will now have an idea how the transit lanes will look like. I have my doubts that the changes are worth the cost.

I don’t go out that much either but today was such a beautiful day and I needed some groceries. I’ve found the Market on Market across the street from you has most of what I usually want and is rarely very crowded plus they strictly enforce masks—I actually heard their security guard tell some guy to pull the mask up over his nose.

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 24, 2020, 8:25 AM

Keep in mind that all of the work up to now has been replacing a 100+ year old sewer system as well as replacing the street lights and repaving the sidewalks, work which had to get done sooner or later regardless of the BRT project (just maybe not all in one go).

Andrew - I should have been more specific. I wonder if the transit will be that much more efficient? We will find out!

Yes, indeed. those old concrete lamp posts were about to fall down. I would often stand away from them while waiting to cross the street.

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 24, 2020, 8:35 AM

Pedestrian

Jul 27, 2020, 7:17 PM

Coronavirus stalls housing construction in SF, and lull may last a while
J.K. Dineen
July 27, 2020 Updated: July 27, 2020 8:28 a.m.

In late June the developer Strada started construction on a major project (1621 - 1629 Market St.): the first of six buildings that will add about 600 units next to the Local 38 Plumbers hall at Market and Franklin streets.

. . . is the only major San Francisco housing development to start construction since the coronavirus shutdown began in March. And it may be the last one for quite a while.

. . . the project — which will eventually include the 600 units, a new union hall and supportive housing for the formerly homeless at a restored Civic Center Hotel — is going full speed ahead. The first building will be nine stories with 185 apartments.

. . . it could be a year or more before the city sees its next new housing project start, contractors and developers say.

“Projects that had financing before COVID are still proceeding, but anything new is on hold, unless it’s a pure affordable play,” . . . . “They have not been canceled but they have moved over to next year. There is not a set date,” . . . .

The slowdown in new housing arrives as San Francisco is coming off its second-most productive year in the last 20. In 2019 the city completed 4,850 units, of which 1,456 units, about 30%, were affordable. This year is shaping up to be equally strong, with 2,398 units completed through June, compared to 1,777 last year.

. . . in a city where a typical multifamily housing complex takes between 18 to 24 months to build, the real impact of a coronavirus slowdown on housing production won’t be felt until the second half of 2022 or beyond.

. . . with the San Francisco Apartment Association, which represents landlords, reporting close to 12% of tenants breaking their leases since the start of the lockdown, it’s unclear whether the city is seeing a long-term out-migration of workers or if these people are simply sheltering in place elsewhere with plans to return post-pandemic.

. . . the speed with which the industry recovers will depend on whether construction costs soften . . . . the message from prospective lenders is that costs would have to come down 10% before a deal is likely . . . . If rents are down 10%, construction costs have to come down at least 10%. That hasn’t happened" . . . . construction costs are down about 5% since the pandemic started. Commodities like glass and steel have dipped a little but with pay raises to union tradespeople kicking in this month, a further reduction will be tough . . . .

Much of San Francisco’s housing pipeline is composed of multi-phased “mega projects,” like the development of the Hunters Point Shipyard, Treasure Island, Mission Rock, Parkmerced, Pier 70 and the Schlage Lock site.

One of those projects — the Shipyard — had long been delayed prior to the coronavirus outbreak because of a scandal involving the clean-up of the site, a former nuclear testing facility. A condo project at Treasure Island started a year ago and an affordable complex will begin later this year. At Pier 70 infrastructure work is ongoing, but the timetable for the first housing units have been pushed back, according to the city.

It’s unclear when Parkmerced expansion, which calls for adding 5,600 units to the existing 3,221 apartments, will start. The development won approvals nine years ago . . . .

Schlage Lock, site of a long-shuttered factory on the city’s southern border, was slated to start work this summer but instead, because of the uncertainties around the pandemic, will likely start in a year . . . . The site work — grading and utilities — has been pushed back about nine months to the first quarter of 2021. Vertical construction would have started in the first quarter of 2021. Instead it’s likely to be the start of 2022 . . . .

Planning Director Rich Hillis said the pause in new groundbreakings could create a window for the city to acquire land for 100% affordable projects and to work on rezoning the west side of the city so that some of those sites can be developed with multi-unit projects when the city recovers.

He said the city’s economic recovery task force, of which he is a member, is exploring various mechanisms that could make it easier for developers to start new projects, including deferring fees and looking at other funding sources to help developers meet their affordable housing obligations.

(1621 Market St)
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/13/17/75/19726177/5/640x0.jpg

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-stalls-housing-construction-in-SF-15435608.php

Pedestrian

Jul 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

The Fox Plaza - The last 2 days 2 people have vacated their apartment on the floor that I live on. A few weeks ago 7 apartments became vacant on another floor. Theses are the ones that i know about! The freight elevator is booked everyday all day. The guys who moved out today found a place 2 blocks away that is cheaper & more room. I have not seen such an exodus like this since the dot.com bust. I have lived in the building for 49 years.

Our manager sent this billet-doux out to everyone today:

Good Morning, I am sure everyone has noticed all the activity surrounding move outs in the past few weeks. Many of the renters are leaving the area, and some are breaking their leases. Homeowners reminder: no subletting. All new renters moving in MUST provide a lease with the homeowner not the prior renter, and the new renter needs to fill out the paperwork and register and get their own key fob (no transferring fobs). Thank you for your attention to this matter. Management

To be honest, I haven't seen a single move in progress but I guess they are happening. To be brutally honest, in a condo building it can be a good thing. Fewer renters relatively to owner occupants makes for a better cared-for property and lenders are reluctant to lend for mortgages in buildings with too high a percentage of renters. On the other hand, some owners have no intention of living in their units and own them only as rentals--such people will likely sell if they can't rent the units or if the rent they can get drops too much and that could cause selling prices to decline. Since I've owned my home for 38 years and have no plans to sell it, I'm not too worried about it.

fimiak

Jul 27, 2020, 10:20 PM

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-stalls-housing-construction-in-SF-15435608.php

Planning Director Rich Hillis said the pause in new groundbreakings could create a window for the city to acquire land for 100% affordable projects and to work on rezoning the west side of the city so that some of those sites can be developed with multi-unit projects when the city recovers.

Did the Planning Director just say that??

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 28, 2020, 10:18 AM

I think this substantial steel structure is on Mission Street between 7th and 8ith Street. Anyone remember what this is? Looks to be about 5 or 6 stories high now.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50161616233_ffda5b780c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jqBoUi)Breaking the Skyline (almost) (https://flic.kr/p/2jqBoUi) by Apollo's Light (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/), on Flickr

whitty

Jul 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

I think this substantial steel structure is on Mission Street between 7th and 8ith Street. Anyone remember what this is? Looks to be about 5 or 6 stories high now.

That would be 5M. (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8992179&postcount=83)

memester

Jul 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

That would be 5M. (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8992179&postcount=83)

5M is further down at 5th, not around 7th and 8th. Unless Jerry's camera focus is shortening the image length

timbad

Jul 28, 2020, 10:12 PM

5M is further down at 5th, not around 7th and 8th. Unless Jerry's camera focus is shortening the image length

I think whitty is right - the buildings in the foreground in Jerry's shot are between 7th and 8th, and the steel structure is clearly beyond them (to the east). crane is also the right color...

Jerry of San Fran

Jul 29, 2020, 9:59 AM

Here is a Google Earth photo with the line of sight from my apartment. (I was able to get a reasonable line as the previous photo shows the steel frame between the Federal Bldg. & a condo on the right). This convinces me that I am seeing a steel frame of the 5 M development. My thought that it was on Mission street I think was in error. The zoom lens on my camera can make things seem like they are much closer than they are. I posted a picture on the 5M forum tonight.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50165718656_880f02bf09_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jqYqpJ)5m (https://flic.kr/p/2jqYqpJ) by Apollo's Light (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/), on Flickr

Pedestrian

Jul 30, 2020, 6:25 AM

As Boston Properties closes purchase of S.F. site, it braces for lower rents here
By Daniel J. Sernovitz – Senior Staff Reporter, Washington Business Journal
Jul 29, 2020, 2:31pm PDT Updated 8 hours ago

Boston Properties . . . . announced it has closed on its purchase of a 2.3-acre development site at Fourth and Harrison streets in San Francisco's Central SoMa district for $140 million, or $174 a developable square foot. The first phase of the mixed-use project, 725 Harrison St., is fully entitled for 505,000 square feet. Plans call for a 14-story tower, which has already received allocation from San Francisco's Prop. M office cap.

Company executives reiterated comments they made in April that they will not begin the project speculatively, or without tenants.

“Before the pandemic, we were going to proceed with the project,” Thomas said. “With the pandemic, we've put the project on pause to wait to see what market conditions are going to be.”

Executives said they are talking to tenants about full and partial leases, though they said they would not describe those discussions as "robust."

When asked by an analyst about how a glut of sublease space is affecting rents in San Francisco, President Doug Linde responded: "It's not affecting the market yet because there's nobody out in the market looking for space. It will affect the markets and rents will be lower” . . . .

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2020/07/29/boston-properties-posts-covid-19-revenue-drop.html?ana=e_ae_set1&j=90521420&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWldZelpEWmhZVEUwWVRnNSIsInQiOiJCcEM5dFA4dVBzeGFVd3YrUFJzTURTSXU4OGZYU2dkNldpeXpoa09iQlVQSGEzWjNwWkJlQUxIWlFMT3dRZ2tFTStUXC82NVBLbU10TmVGY3hqRWxCd2FYcUZITUlka3ZlK3dMaW5jUTVXbldOekxjN0Z6UnBJWnFsdjdsZ2Vvb0UifQ%3D%3D

Pedestrian

Aug 3, 2020, 6:54 AM

I took a ride around town today just to get out of the house and see some of the stuff you guys have been photographing.

Near 7th and Mission, north side, I came across a project underway that I didn't recognize and now believe to be this:

Stepping Up: A Big Solution for a Big Challenge
1064 Mission St - Mission St

ECS, in partnership with Mercy Housing, has been selected to develop San Francisco’s largest-ever supportive housing development for formerly homeless people. The 7th and Mission site will be the location of a new supportive rental housing development for formerly homeless adults and seniors (age 55+). The approximately 256 studio apartments will be comprised of two buildings located on the current parking lot located at 1064-68 Mission Street. The site is adjacent to the James R. Browning Court House and is on land that is being provided by the federal government, which has stipulated that the site be used exclusively for supportive housing and services addressing the needs of formerly homeless persons. The Mayor’s Office of Housing and Community Development (MOHCD) selection panel recommended the ECS/Mercy team to exclusively negotiate a ground lease for the site based on a detailed proposal submitted in response to a competitive Request for Qualifications. The housing element of the development will be fully covered by public funding services, a bond backed construction loan and tax credit equity. Construction is set to begin in January 2020 with a goal of 100% occupancy in spring 2022.
The development will be a national model, bringing together multiple best-practice elements to help San Francisco’s most vulnerable, chronically homeless neighbors achieve housing stability, improve health outcomes, and lead stronger, more independent lives. In addition to housing and on-site case management, this community will be the new permanent home for the Department of Public Health’s (DPH) Homeless Services Center, which includes dental services and a specialized Street Medicine program. The City’s Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing’s (HSH) Homeless Outreach Team (HOT) will also be headquartered here.

With prime Mission Street frontage and over 5,000 square feet of ground floor commercial space, the new 7th and Mission development will also be the spectacular new site of ECS’s CHEFS workforce development program and an affiliated foodservice social enterprise. Since its founding, over 1,000 formerly homeless and very low income students have participated in the CHEFS program: A free, five-month training program that provides instruction in the technical and professional culinary skills in high demand in San Francisco’s booming food service industry. Combining classroom instruction, case management, in-kitchen hands-on training, and internships at local restaurants or institutional kitchens, CHEFS changes lives. Students with a prior experience of homelessness develop the skills and the confidence to gain and sustain employment, improve their financial stability, and make homelessness a thing of the past.

At the new site, CHEFS will finally have its own purpose-built, state-of-the-art training center with a dedicated teaching kitchen, abundant institutional food storage, classroom space, and offices for instructors, case managers, and vocational specialists – a place to inspire pride, build dreams, and find support. A robust revenue-generating culinary social enterprise will be co-located within the space, offering CHEFS students a period of transitional employment in catering or commercial meal preparation, deepening their workplace readiness in a supervised setting. Some commercial frontage has been designated for a café or retail space, offering high quality, nutritious prepared meals for sale to the neighborhood.

https://ecs-sf.org/wp-content/uploads/bb-plugin/cache/1064-Mission-St-Mission-St-view-full-color-panorama.jpg

https://ecs-sf.org/1064-1068-mission-street/#

Can anybody confirm this is what's going up?

pseudolus

Aug 4, 2020, 12:06 AM

Can anybody confirm this is what's going up?

I do recall there was a parcel next to the federal courthouse on 7th that the city was able to pick up for cheap (or free) if they used it for affordable housing.

Jerry of San Fran

Aug 4, 2020, 4:25 AM

Pedestrian - FYI - Just east of the what you saw at 1036 Mission is the Tenderloin Neighborhood Development Corporation's low income housing which was open to a lottery a few years ago & has been built.

Jerry of San Fran

Aug 6, 2020, 7:09 AM

Pedestrian

Aug 6, 2020, 7:42 AM

Walked by today on the way to Safeway & took this photo, & see that this row of buildings has been gutted & braced. Any thoughts on saving a façade & building a high rise inside?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50194501056_57730b8791_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jtvWq1)8/5/2020 - 1629 Market St. San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/2jtvWq1)

Not a highrise. This is this project I assume:

Transformative Market Street Project Slated for Approval
October 11, 2017

Plans for the proposed 584-unit development to rise up to ten stories in height across the Market Street parcels upon which the Civic Center Hotel (1601 Market), Local 38 Plumbers and Pipefitters Union Hall (1621 Market) and two-story Lesser Brothers Building (1629‐1637 Market) currently sit are slated to be approved by San Francisco’s Planning Commission next week.

In addition to the 584 units of housing (of which 107 would be below-market-rate, supportive efficiency units), the 1629 Market Street project includes 13,000 square feet of new ground floor restaurant and retail space; a new 32,000 square foot union hall for the UA Local 38; an underground parking garage for 316 cars; and over 23,000 square feet of privately-owned, publicly-accessible open space (POPOS), including an 18,000-square-foot open space at the corner of Brady and Colton which has been redesigned and newly dubbed Mazzola Gardens.

. . . the project would be constructed in two phases over 44 months, with a total of six new structures rising behind the existing Civic Center Hotel structure and Lesser Brothers Building’s facade

. . . the project’s Environmental Impact Report identified a number of potentially significant impacts with respect to cultural resources (primarily the majority demolition of the Lesser Brothers Building which is considered a historical resource) and potential transportation and circulation impacts for the burgeoning Hub District site, it also identified proposed mitigation measures to match.

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1629-Market-Street-Rendering-2017-Market-and-Brady.jpg

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1629-Market-Street-Rendering-2017-Market-and-12th.jpg

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1629-Market-Street-2017-Site-Plan.jpg

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1629-Market-Street-Rendering-2017-Mazzola-Gardens.jpg

https://socketsite.com/archives/2017/10/transformative-market-street-project-slated-for-approval.html

This is probably proceeding now because it contains so much affordable housing.

pseudolus

Aug 6, 2020, 6:31 PM

Any thoughts on saving a façade & building a high rise inside?

Hi Jerry,

There are examples of facadism all over downtown. The first that come to mind are 345 California and Citicorp (Sansome and Sutter), but there are plenty of others. 706 Mission probably qualifies too.

Then there are lots of smaller examples in the Tenderloin and South of Market, where the planning department has designated old auto garages or warehouses as historic (lotta people on Socketsite complain about that).

If you think I'm using too broad a definition, there's also 460 Montgomery.

Developer arguments against are usually that the building isn't worth preserving and, when the planning department requires a setback to preserve the prominence of the facade, it reduces the buildable envelope too much.

Preservationist arguments against are that, when only the facades are preserved and the interiors are gutted and all the old small shops are replaced with--usually--a large empty lobby, then you've tossed out what was interesting about the buildings and turned them into wallpaper.

viewguysf

Aug 7, 2020, 5:58 AM

AndrewK

Aug 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

I took a ride around town today just to get out of the house and see some of the stuff you guys have been photographing.

Near 7th and Mission, north side, I came across a project underway that I didn't recognize and now believe to be this:

https://ecs-sf.org/1064-1068-mission-street/#

Can anybody confirm this is what's going up?

Happened to walk by this the other day and can confirm that it is the 1064 Mission project, and foundation work is underway.

timbad

Aug 7, 2020, 10:25 PM

Happened to walk by this the other day and can confirm that it is the 1064 Mission project, and foundation work is underway.

so glad to hear about this one - I had forgotten about it. looking around for some additional background to what Pedestrian already provided, I found a different rendering here (https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/supes-to-vote-on-160m-258-unit-supportive-housing-project-with-homeless-service-center/):

https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/19330830_web1_copy_supportivehousinghomelesscenter_2-1200x785.jpg

and what a relief - I was gonna have a fit if there weren't some orange and yellow highlights on it

gillynova

Aug 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

I love the colors tbh. Really brightens up the area

gillynova

Aug 8, 2020, 12:12 AM

Sorry if I'm reposting this but https://missionrock.com/ has a rendering of basically all of the proposed projects that we have in SF

https://i.imgur.com/eAJ5CWXh.jpg

A future that I hope to see soon...

pseudolus

Aug 8, 2020, 1:55 AM

Two other prominent examples of façadism downtown are the massive front of The Emporium at the Westfield San Francisco Centre and the former PG&E substation at the Contemporary Jewish Museum. To my knowledge, 345 California doesn’t have any, at least not that is prominent or very noticeable. 706 Mission and the old structure across from it at the St. Regis are both questionable since the entire structures were retained with the floors and incorporated into their new tower developments, though interior partitions removed.

Viewguy, thanks for weighing in. As to 345 California, I always thought the historic buildings on each corner were part of the project conception. As to the Contemporary Jewish Museum, I might object. The old substation is still the main feature of the building and the smallish Libeskind addition is there to jazz things up, so to speak, not the other way around as in most facadism.

craigs

Aug 8, 2020, 5:15 AM

No, 345 Cal does not include any of the older buildings on the corners. It is SF's tallest mid-block tower.

pseudolus

Aug 8, 2020, 5:48 PM

No, 345 Cal does not include any of the older buildings on the corners. It is SF's tallest mid-block tower.

I stand corrected.

How about 350 Bush, the Mining Exchange Building?

How about, for lack of a better term, reverse facadism, that is, preserving an interior and building a new building around it? First that comes to mind is Niemann Marcus. Maybe the Westfield Mall is both facadism and reverse facadism?

viewguysf

Aug 8, 2020, 6:05 PM

Viewguy, thanks for weighing in. As to 345 California, I always thought the historic buildings on each corner were part of the project conception. As to the Contemporary Jewish Museum, I might object. The old substation is still the main feature of the building and the smallish Libeskind addition is there to jazz things up, so to speak, not the other way around as in most facadism.

The historic buildings on the four corners of 345 California Center were part of the original plan, but are not facades. The Robert Dollar Building at California and Battery was shaved on the west side and the JH Dollar Building at California and Sansome was shaved on the east side to create the main entryway into the new mid block tower. 220 Sansome and 200 Pine were retained on the back side.

The former PG&E power substation at the Contemporary Jewish Museum is definitely façadism since only its walls were retained while a completely new structure was built behind them. It’s irrelevant as to how big or small a facade is if it’s only the exterior walls of what was once an actual free standing building.

viewguysf

Aug 8, 2020, 6:14 PM

How about 350 Bush, the Mining Exchange Building?

How about, for lack of a better term, reverse facadism, that is, preserving an interior and building a new building around it? First that comes to mind is Niemann Marcus. Maybe the Westfield Mall is both facadism and reverse facadism?

What is reverse façadism? I’ve never heard of it. The old Mining Exchange at 350 Bush is again an example of façadism. Only its exterior walls were retained while an entirely new foundation was built under them and new structure built behind them. The interior is a pseudo reproduction. The Emporium facade is only the standing wall on Market Street, nothing more. The Bloomingdales portion of the Westfield San Francisco Centre is an entirely new structure from the foundation up. As we know, The Emporium dome was also retained, having been jacked up on steel supports to eventually rest atop the new building at a higher elevation than it previously was. It’s also interesting to note that the escalators from the first to the second floor on the Market Street side are also the rebuilt originals that were retained. There are a few other historic elements that were incorporated into the new building, including portions of two staircases that are not generally accessible to the public. I have been all over that project and behind the scenes on many occassions.

gillynova

Aug 9, 2020, 4:56 AM

Serif (Does it have its own thread?)

https://i.imgur.com/28sUfFoh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ctFIJegh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/B2NWGbJh.jpg

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Near Union Square (Sorry, I don't know the name of the project)

https://i.imgur.com/GVZWi5lh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZziOR6mh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/r5yOpP6h.jpg

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5M

https://i.imgur.com/AKLRY5Mh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bRfov5Qh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/l8rjw7Lh.jpg

pseudolus

Aug 9, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Near Union Square (Sorry, I don't know the name of the project)

old Macy's Men's Store?

gillynova

Aug 9, 2020, 3:30 PM

old Macy's Men's Store?

Ahhh, I believe you're right pseudolus! I'm not really familiar with smaller projects around the city

I looked it up and it's this project

https://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/120-Stockton-Street-Rendering-2017-1.jpg

Source: https://socketsite.com/archives/2018/04/redevelopment-of-macys-mens-store-building-slated-for-approval.html

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The project on 72 Ellis Street is rising too! I didn't really know much about this project

https://i.imgur.com/0mrWCrch.jpg

https://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/72-Ellis-2017-Rendering.jpg

https://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/72-Ellis-2017-Context.jpg

https://socketsite.com/archives/2018/01/boutique-union-square-infill-hotel-closer-to-reality.html

pseudolus

Aug 9, 2020, 4:55 PM

Ahhh, I believe you're right pseudolus!

there's a first time for everything

timbad

Aug 12, 2020, 12:31 PM

this was in May...

Balboa Reservoir passes Planning Commission (https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/planning-commission-greenlights-1100-unit-balboa-reservoir-project/)

and now (https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/After-decades-of-trying-SF-supervisors-finally-15477155.php):

After decades of trying, SF supervisors finally approve 1,100 homes at Balboa Reservoir

The Balboa Reservoir — now a parking lot for students at City College of San Francisco — will be developed into 1,100 units of housing, 550 of them affordable.

San Francisco’s west side will get its biggest influx of housing in several decades, after the Board of Supervisors Tuesday approved more than 1,000 new units on the Balboa Reservoir site.

The board voted to rezone the 17-acre property off Ocean Avenue. The agreement allows the developers —Bridge Housing, AvalonBay and Mission Housing — to build 1,100 units of housing, 550 of them affordable, on the lot. The property now is used as a parking lot for City College of San Francisco students.

...
Of the 550 affordable units, 150 will be set aside for City College teachers and staff. The project will also include a community center, 4 acres of open space, a 100-slot child-care center — 50% of those would be set aside for low-income families — and $10 million in fees for transit and infrastructure improvements.

Tuesday’s approval caps off a decades-long effort that began in the 1960s to turn the empty lot into housing. San Francisco Mayors Dianne Feinstein and Art Agnos were stymied by neighborhood opposition and resistance from City College staff and students looking to preserve the land for future expansion.

Before the board approved the project, dozens of City College faculty leaders and students spoke out against the project, both at a Monday news conference and at Tuesday’s board meeting. Some called for 100% affordable housing on the site or, at the very least, more than the 150 units currently allotted for City College teachers and staff.

...

Pedestrian

Aug 13, 2020, 7:04 AM

Serif (Does it have its own thread?)

I did a search and couldn't find one. The address is 950 Market and it would probably be titled that. It barely qualifies for a thread at 12 floors--projects are supposed to be 120 ft or taller.

MN/WI

Aug 13, 2020, 12:27 PM

I really like it when they infuse color into projects like they did with the first photo on this page. Helps to brighten up any city and even more so those that often have a lot of gray days.

fimiak

Aug 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

The Ferry Building has a new plaza. They opened up the plaza being built as part of the expansion project this past Monday.

gillynova

Aug 13, 2020, 5:59 PM

Thanks for the update, fimiak! I will try to check it out this weekend

Pedestrian

Aug 13, 2020, 9:31 PM

I really like it when they infuse color into projects like they did with the first photo on this page. Helps to brighten up any city and even more so those that often have a lot of gray days.

The use of yellow/orange highlights in modern SF midrises is kind of an in joke it is so common. That's why timbad said he would have a "fit" if the one in question didn't have it--a little humor there.

Turning my head and looking out the window I see a classic of the genre:

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/001023489329/media/1674947736010818/medium/1597354671/enhance

homebucket

Aug 13, 2020, 10:09 PM

The use of pastel, or slightly bolder pastel tones is not new to SF housing. I think it pays homage to the classic SF palette nicely, although bright neon is a bit much.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/aerial-view-houses-sunset-district-san-francisco-california-135819984.jpg

https://www.dreamstime.com/aerial-view-houses-sunset-district-san-francisco-california-image135819984

https://previews.123rf.com/images/unitysphere/unitysphere1811/unitysphere181101022/113345037-aerial-view-of-houses-in-sunset-district-san-francisco-california.jpg

https://www.123rf.com/photo_113345037_aerial-view-of-houses-in-sunset-district-san-francisco-california.html

https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1484326710709-f6761b8bf4e9?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=eyJhcHBfaWQiOjEyMDd9&w=1000&q=80

https://unsplash.com/s/photos/lombard-street

Pedestrian

Aug 13, 2020, 10:30 PM

The use of pastel, or slightly bolder pastel tones is not new to SF housing. I think it pays homage to the classic SF palette nicely, although bright neon is a bit much.

I think we do this because most of the low/mid-rise architecture is stucco, not brick like in eastern cities so we have to add the color with paint (rather than have it be natural from the color of bricks which ranges from yellow to red also).

Jerry of San Fran

Aug 15, 2020, 1:22 AM

craigs

Aug 15, 2020, 3:51 AM

BTinSF ("pedestrian") is the biggest asshole on the forum

timbad

Aug 15, 2020, 4:37 AM

The Ferry Building has a new plaza. They opened up the plaza being built as part of the expansion project this past Monday.

the Examiner's rundown (https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/downtown-ferry-expansion-project-opens-for-business/)

https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/22415401_web1_200813-SFE-ferryterminal_3.jpg

viewguysf

Aug 15, 2020, 6:30 PM

The San Francisco Coloring Book - When I arrived in San Francisco in 1969 the palette of color was white. Seriously white. I think there are two things that changed the color of buildings in the city (1) The hippie flower children painted houses in different colors. (2) The new owners of Victorian houses started a trend too, but with much more subtle colors. If I am not mistaken in the Victorian era white paint was expensive in the 1800s and a white house indicated wealth (3) The ethnic makeup of the city changed. They were comfortable with colors I to this day find awful. We see color in a different ways culturally. (4) And last, the tech trend of late is for gray! Depressing to me! Yes, things do change from era to era! :------>))

Victorians were often originally painted shades of gray and accented with darker colors. Pure white was not used (or available?), though off whites and cream colors sometimes were. The Haas-Lilinthal House has been completely restored, including using its original color scheme. Take a look at the link below.

https://www.sfheritage.org/haas-lilienthal-house/

Pedestrian

Aug 15, 2020, 7:58 PM

Victorians were often originally painted shades of gray and accented with darker colors. Pure white was not used (or available?), though off whites and cream colors sometimes were.

I suspect the idea was to invoke stone or some more solid building material than the nearly universally used wood.

But from photos I've seen (I arrived in the 1970s, not 1960s), a lot of places were painted white in the '60s just to preserve them and/or cover them with some kind of paint because the former colors were peeling and much wood was bare. This was before the wave of gay men (especially) buying old houses in SF and actually restoring them.

a very long weekend

Aug 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

the Examiner's rundown (https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/downtown-ferry-expansion-project-opens-for-business/)

https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/22415401_web1_200813-SFE-ferryterminal_3.jpg

Oh! I was there yesterday and would have taken a couple snaps if I had thought at all about it. Basically, it's very well achieved. Looks like it was always there. Only real negatives are the steps up on the non-pier side (rather than level entry like you have at the pier side), and the fact that there's no shade (which only really matters on days like yesterday).

Wonderful new addition to the city. Generally, we do infrastructure right, and this one, like I said, already feels like it was always there.

craigs

Aug 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

I suspect the idea was to invoke stone or some more solid building material than the nearly universally used wood.

But from photos I've seen (I arrived in the 1970s, not 1960s), a lot of places were painted white in the '60s just to preserve them and/or cover them with some kind of paint because the former colors were peeling and much wood was bare. This was before the wave of gay men (especially) buying old houses in SF and actually restoring them.
Oh, by the way BTinSF: I'm not a native San Franciscan, as you erroneously posted in a political thread in Current Events. But nice try using non-political posts about local topics against other forumers. Your bullshit tactics are duly noted.

Jerry of San Fran

Aug 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

50 Jones at Market - The odd light hanging over Market Street I suspect is the required "art" by law in San Francisco. My camera zoom lens cannot get any better unfortunately. Maybe someone else can zoom by & get a better photo. I won't walk in that area with my cell phone or camera for safety reasons.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50234688693_de01e84374_m.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jx4UNi)50 Jones Street (https://flic.kr/p/2jx4UNi)

gillynova

Aug 17, 2020, 5:53 AM

Ferry building plaza

https://i.imgur.com/vEIDj1ch.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Po4omTUh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cSCvN3Sh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/khS2p0ph.jpg

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Bay Bridge

https://i.imgur.com/idh636Oh.jpg

timbad

Aug 17, 2020, 8:13 AM

I'll throw a couple more Ferry Plaza in there (my other shots are essentially duplicates of the ones gillynova posted)...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235816726_620578418b_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235819816_09554041fb_b.jpg

timbad

Aug 17, 2020, 8:20 AM

Walked up Van Ness today, ...
In work actually related to BRT, they had started to place forms for the median/platform at Mcallister and Golden Gate.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50234621218_ddd38a6fe2_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235926501_4dca3d8749_b.jpg

MN/WI

Aug 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

The plaza looks awesome.

timbad

Aug 17, 2020, 7:35 PM

various other things from yesterday...

Folsom St streetscape coming along slowly but surely

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235147828_5abcc9f355_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50236007822_c53a450720_b.jpg

the affordable one at Broadway and Front St (https://bridgehousing.com/properties/88-broadway/) is starting to show some skin on the Bay side

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235180728_b5144b3bf7_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235832836_8c1539e5e8_b.jpg

but still looks like this on the other

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235180808_957cc70ba2_b.jpg

bad lighting, but Serif has almost all its skin now

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235203323_3a31db9f60_b.jpg

the notch on the north (Turk) side

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235855041_2ff5a68f5b_b.jpg

looking east down Turk

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235199128_385566c233_b.jpg

1064 Mission St, the new supportive housing project that Pedestrian first mentioned, near Seventh. the rendering on the fence onsite shows the version with the yellowish highlights

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235239583_5097e2a767_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50238222552_aa8eb67ee1_b.jpg

Ninth and Howard is about at street level already

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50236184957_2e6d097393_b.jpg

hard to tell, but placement of pavers in progress at the Moscone Muni subway station entrance

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235318438_3775fef114_b.jpg

and, after sitting apparently unchanged for over a year I think, the platform at Fourth and Brannan now sports frames for the dividers that carry the advertising, so I think some recent work has happened there again finally

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235326158_e5a6bfa500_b.jpg

homebucket

Aug 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

Crossposting this image to this thread since it shows the relevant recent (in the past few years) changes to the skyline.

https://i.redd.it/v3t3wbxztkh51.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/ibfnmh/incredible_view_of_the_san_francisco_skyline/

BobbyMucho

Aug 17, 2020, 9:55 PM

Quick snaps of three larger BMR projects in the Mission and the early stages of 793 S Van Ness:

793 S Van Ness (19th and Van Ness)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iodm1m9593wrkb5/793%20SOUTH%20VN%202.png?raw=1

And a rendering for refresher (via Ian Birchall Architects)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrp129smsjgr7k4/793-South-Van-Ness-Rendering-2017.jpg?raw=1

2060 Folsom slowly nearing completion (with 1990 Folsom peaking out in the distance)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g75hmgs7m24u57u/2060%20Folsom%20082020.png?raw=1

1990 Folsom inching along behind its shrowd

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4rz0jb3jvwtekwi/1990%20folsom%20082020.png?raw=1

490 S Van Ness looks 99.9% there

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpwnv105q37z98o/490%20Van%20Ness%20082020.png?raw=1

Pedestrian

Aug 19, 2020, 6:58 PM

I guess this is a win for the NIMBYs. Any strong opinions on it?

S.F. supervisors take united stance against Mission development at former Lyft offices
By Laura Waxmann – Staff Reporter, San Francisco Business Times
Aug 19, 2020, 7:40am PDT Updated 2 hours ago

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors on Tuesday upheld an appeal of an office and housing project at the former Mission District Lyft offices, effectively killing plans for the development with a unanimous vote.

The appeal of the Planning Commission approval of the project — filed by United to Save the Mission and backed by more than two dozen Mission District residents and organizations who spoke out against the project at Tuesday's hearing — alleged that the San Francisco Planning Department incorrectly approved the project at 2300 Harrison St. for a streamlined environmental review.

The developer, The Walton Cos., had proposed converting an existing parking lot into a six-story, mixed-use building connected to an existing three-story office building, resulting in a structure with 24 residential units, including six designated as affordable. The project, which was eligible for density bonus under a state law, also would have featured nearly 27,000 square feet of new office space on the upper floors, along with ground floor retail and arts activities space. Lyft left the Harrison Street offices in 2016 for its current headquarters in China Basin.

The property is zoned for urban mixed use (UMU), a designation created more than a decade ago to allow office space on upper floors. Last month, the Board of Supervisors passed an ordinance to ban new office space on the upper floors of developments with UMU zoning in the Mission, but that ordinance is still awaiting Mayor London Breed's signature . . . .

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/001023489329/media/1675481146294775/medium/1597863400/enhance

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2020/08/19/sf-supervisors-vote-down-mission-district-office.html?ana=e_me_prem&j=90524490&t=Morning&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWkdWbVpXTXhOREZqWldOayIsInQiOiJhWU9XazhxN3JjTkYybU1NVk9KXC9RVVUyY2pEUENFanJla2dvUmp3bHBQT3pPXC9yM2tuTjNoSlBYd1UxVzg0aVhYYUxxbk9EdzFoMzRTTFpHdVNtbmlLaEkrTzYrYzliV2xWUjZGSEpyQlJtbGYrbURyMnZwKzBmdnpZaEZLTndlIn0=

timbad

Aug 19, 2020, 8:31 PM

BobbyMucho

Aug 19, 2020, 11:51 PM

^ I guess not strong, but certainly disappointed. I don't see the drawback to the development myself. housing, including affordable, where there was none before, displacing nothing but asphalt, and the building, altho no stunner, is not hideous.

100%

And now this lot (and piss-stentch-ridden alley) will likely sit in its current state for the next half-decade before anyone even thinks about doing anything else with it. Not really a win in my eyes.

I wish I had a count for how many units of housing these neighborhood groups have killed, year over year.

gunna

Aug 21, 2020, 3:47 AM

Skyline-Defining Plans for Hearst Parking Center Site

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/45-Third-Street-Rendering.jpg

Plans to raze the 11-story Hearst Parking Center complex at 45-53 Third Street, which extends all the way to Annie and currently provides “a pleasant and safe place to park” for up to 800 cars, along with a car wash and California Pizza Kitchen, are in the works.

And as envisioned, a 52-story tower designed by SOM would rise up to 600 feet in height upon the Third Street site, with 354 units of housing over a 313-room hotel, 49,990 square feet of office space, and parking for 304 cars (and 233 bikes).

https://socketsite.com/archives/2020/08/skyline-defining-plans-for-hearst-parking-center-site.html

craigs

Aug 21, 2020, 3:56 AM

That looks interesting--it appears to be cylindrical.

homebucket

Aug 21, 2020, 4:27 AM

Yes, very interesting design. Looks like the top tapers to a point in the corner, similar to Shaklee Terraces (One Front Street). Can't wait to see the renders! Would be nice if they could stretch it to 800+ feet too!

https://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/45-Third-Street-Rendering-Site-Plan.jpg

https://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/45-Third-Street-Rendering-Massing.jpg

https://socketsite.com/archives/2020/08/skyline-defining-plans-for-hearst-parking-center-site.html

Shaklee

https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000io3Nc._g1PI/s/600/600/Shaklee-Terraces-One-Front-San-Francisco-aerial-photo-AHLB4965.jpg

https://aerialarchives.photoshelter.com/image/I0000io3Nc._g1PI

gillynova

Aug 21, 2020, 4:39 AM

So basically a mini Salesforce tower?

The parking garage that they will raze is very popular in the local photography scene. I'm sad to see it go. I, myself, have not gone but I will soon enough.

https://i.imgur.com/fIh0dmIh.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZtJ0Px8h.png

https://i.imgur.com/Vg5xHaIh.png

https://i.imgur.com/EjhlQS8h.png

https://i.imgur.com/nEU4gxoh.png

Nonetheless, I'm happy we have a new 600' proposal in SF. Of course... more height would be nice and more "skyline defining".

craigs

Aug 21, 2020, 4:49 AM

In all these years, I had no idea that garage had a circular lightwell! Also, I remember when that California Pizza Kitchen was actually a small food court, with Mom 'n' Pops selling food from all over the world. I used to love the Thai place in there.

homebucket

Aug 21, 2020, 5:14 AM

Same here! I'll have to swing by and check it out sometime. But yeah, 600' would probably not alter the table top effect all that much. Here's a photo of mine that needs updating. I'm guessing it would fit right in between The Paramount and Park Central, and cover up McKesson.

https://live.staticflickr.com/2448/32748929471_8b0a9a4ab8_k.jpg

homebucket

Aug 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

From Hospital Curve's angle, it'll fill in the gap in between 44 Montgomery and One Montgomery.

https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/06/25323156347_636c52a351_k-e1528163700824.jpg

https://www.kqed.org/news/11700881/the-10-best-places-to-watch-the-worst-bay-area-traffic-congestion

colemonkee

Aug 21, 2020, 3:02 PM

In downtown Portland, OR, there's a full-block, 10-story parking garage with a similar circular ramp in the center. Driving down ten stories of that as fast as I could muster was one of my favorite parts about going downtown while in high school.

gillynova

Aug 21, 2020, 3:03 PM

You definitely need a wide angle lens to capture photos like that in the garage lol.

@colemonkee, I'm sure then there's a photography scene with that parking garage too! Nothing like it in San Jose for me... haha. Sounds like fun though that it brings you back to your high school days!

I would love to see a before and after picture from that angle, homebucket!

BobbyMucho

Aug 21, 2020, 6:09 PM

Exciting!

I actually thought this was the SMTA garage (https://hoodline.com/2018/02/city-moves-to-replace-moscone-center-garage-with-hotel-affordable-housing) down the street at first... but, alas, a new tower proposal!

Pedestrian

Aug 21, 2020, 6:25 PM

People discovering new proposals for projects at least 120 ft should go ahead and make threads for them in the "Proposals" section, especially if the proposals are fairly "concrete" (pun intended), meaning there are renderings and details about uses, unit numbers and so on.

Just follow the formats of existing threads, titling the thread "SAN FRANCISCO | (address and/or project name) | XXXX FT | XXX FL"

If you don't want to do it, let me know and I will but if you found it, you should get the perpetual credit as author of the thread. Even poor BTinSF lives on in some of these threads, to the distress of some ;) .

MN/WI

Aug 21, 2020, 10:52 PM

It has a certain Salesforce Tower look to it, other than the top. But the rounded corners and how it tapers up.

homebucket

Aug 22, 2020, 12:47 AM

I personally wouldn't mind if SOM rehashed their Transbay Terminal design. At 800+ ft, it would still look stunning.

https://inhabitat.com/files/somtransbayterminal.jpg

https://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/SOM-Transbay-Design.jpg

https://inhabitat.com/files/transbaysomdesign2.jpg

AndrewK

Aug 22, 2020, 4:48 PM

That was definitely my favorite of the tower designs.

kingkirbythe....

Aug 23, 2020, 1:53 AM

It is quite stunning.

gillynova

Aug 23, 2020, 5:38 AM

72 Ellis Street

https://i.imgur.com/6cbGOr8h.jpg

August 22, 2020 - Oceanwide Center

https://i.imgur.com/RA9I2ZHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KWInLqWh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ktaXaGTh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5D74Lpzh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6AYROFFh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TddDE6Dh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RluFZKZh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kujEURdh.jpg

Hotel Side

https://i.imgur.com/7SSsOGTh.jpg

AndrewK

Aug 26, 2020, 6:05 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50234621218_ddd38a6fe2_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50235926501_4dca3d8749_b.jpg

I drove down Van Ness again the other day and they have finally shifted the northbound lanes to the curb for everything north of McAllister. They are making quick progress on median work all the way up to Geary.

Pedestrian

Aug 26, 2020, 10:38 PM

I drove down Van Ness again the other day and they have finally shifted the northbound lanes to the curb for everything north of McAllister. They are making quick progress on median work all the way up to Geary.

I walked the other way on Sunday and was disappointed to see that there's pretty much nothing happening south of McAllister even though the utility work seems finished.

AndrewK

Aug 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

I walked the other way on Sunday and was disappointed to see that there's pretty much nothing happening south of McAllister even though the utility work seems finished.

I have a feeling they may be waiting for the Conservatory project to wrap up before tackling that whole section.

700 Level

Aug 29, 2020, 6:16 PM

Are there links to good web-cams showing activity on projects that are in-progress?

Iceman12

Sep 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

Passed by this lot today and was pleased to see it fully demolished. I’m not sure which plan is moving forward, though.

https://socketsite.com/archives/2019/12/bigger-plans-for-shuttered-north-beach-site.html

1977

Sep 5, 2020, 5:21 AM

New proposal from Strada and Trammel Crow for Pier 30-32:

San Francisco’s Pier 30-32, once the site of a proposed Golden State Warriors arena, would be redeveloped with an audacious mixed-use project that would include a floating public swimming pool and more than 850 housing units, according to a proposal that city staff recommends go forward.

Developers Strada Partners and Trammell Crow beat out two other developers as the preferred option in a Port of San Francisco competition for both the piers and the 3.2-acre lot across the street known as Seawall Lot 330.
Source: SF Chronicle & Article (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bold-SF-waterfront-proposal-on-controversial-15544444.php#photo-19914309)

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/13/75/71/19914311/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg
Source: SF Chronicle (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bold-SF-waterfront-proposal-on-controversial-15544444.php#photo-19914309)

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/13/75/71/19914308/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg
Source: SF Chronicle (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bold-SF-waterfront-proposal-on-controversial-15544444.php#photo-19914309)

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/13/75/71/19914309/5/940x0.jpg
Source: SF Chronicle (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bold-SF-waterfront-proposal-on-controversial-15544444.php#photo-19914309)

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/13/75/71/19914310/5/640x0.jpg
Source: SF Chronicle (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bold-SF-waterfront-proposal-on-controversial-15544444.php#photo-19914309)