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simms3_redux

Sep 25, 2013, 4:40 AM

Fair points, but I was talking about a the Trinity project, which sits on top of a muni underground and a BART stop, not to mention numerous bus lines and a trolly car. Also, Market street provides a one of the city's most used bike routes, contains thousands of taxi-cabs, pedi-cabs, and ubers. The "google" bus and the "apple bus" have stops blocks away, and you are within a 15 minute walk of the financial district. I think this corner has viable transit. Could it stand to be improved? Are some other parts of the city underserved? Sure. But that wasn't my point.

I agree with you. Yes in many parts of the city transit needs to be added outright, or improved, before people with the means choose not to own/park a car. But this is not one of those parts, LoL. I'm happy it will be completely underground and hidden (NEMA is also offering 1 spot per unit, and the Trinity Garage will end up being around that same ratio, maybe a little less).

However, it's promising to know just about every other development planned around there includes no or very limited parking. And there are lots of proposals and plans for mid-rises and adaptive re-use/rehabs into multifamily. Not to mention the new projects nearby in the TL are virtually carless. I think generally SF is going in right direction on the private sector, it's just time for the agencies to step up improvements/expansions on the public side. ;)

LWR

Sep 25, 2013, 5:10 AM

I agree, but also, what about those of "greater means" who are older and cannot walk that distance? Just wondering... ??? Any of us may belong to that group given enough time. Even those who are no longer able to ride a "cycle".

minesweeper

Sep 25, 2013, 5:47 AM

Trinity plans to use capital from the lease up of phase 2 to pay for phase 3, which means, don't expect to see any new buildings at this barren corner anytime soon. However, that big pit is probably the beginning of an underground parking garage that Trinity is proud to call "the largest underground parking lot in San Francisco." Ugh...

Speaking of Trinity Phase 2, here's how leasing is going (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/09/what-glut-renters-flocking-to-new-sf.html?page=all), according to J.K. Dineen:

At 1190 Mission St., phase two of Trinity Properties 1,800-unit Central Market Street development, renters have leased about 250 units, 60 percent of the 418-unit tower.

“We have definitely beat our expectations,” said Rob Sullivan, director of operations at the Trinity development.

The studios and the two bedrooms rented fastest at Trinity, leaving about 12 one-bedrooms and the rest junior one-bedrooms.

And updates on a few other high profile new developments:

Two blocks west at 1401 Market St., Crescent Heights is 72 percent leased in its first phase — all but 90 apartments of the 24-story, 317-unit south tower have been reserved. In the inner Mission District, Vara, the 194-unit project at 1880 Mission St., is 70 percent leased.

Further west at 1844 Market St., MacFarlane Partners has started leasing its 113-unit project called Venn. So far 25 of the units have been leased in the development, which will open in November.

BushMan

Sep 25, 2013, 6:28 AM

I agree with you. Yes in many parts of the city transit needs to be added outright, or improved, before people with the means choose not to own/park a car. But this is not one of those parts, LoL. I'm happy it will be completely underground and hidden (NEMA is also offering 1 spot per unit, and the Trinity Garage will end up being around that same ratio, maybe a little less).

However, it's promising to know just about every other development planned around there includes no or very limited parking. And there are lots of proposals and plans for mid-rises and adaptive re-use/rehabs into multifamily. Not to mention the new projects nearby in the TL are virtually carless. I think generally SF is going in right direction on the private sector, it's just time for the agencies to step up improvements/expansions on the public side. ;)

Good points Simms and Pola. While I agree that the Trinity Place location is about as good as it gets for SF transit it still leaves a LOT to be desired. Yes, the lines are there but in terms of frequency, reliability, comfort and safety- not so good.

I'm sure we've all had the experience of waiting forever for a Muni bus that never arrives, then standing by as the next one comes but doesn't even stop because it's too full. The F-Line is neat but really more of a novelty and jammed with tourists much of the time. Bart is decent but won't be any help to those trying to get to work during the strike next month. And in spite of the fact that the area is rapidly improving, (thank God), 8th and Market is an EXTREMELY unpleasant (often downright unsafe) place to wait for a bus, especially after dark. :uhh:

cwilly

Sep 25, 2013, 6:41 PM

FYI - Google updated their satelite view for San Francisco in Google Maps so the view is much more current and shows a lot of the projects discussed on this forum.

minesweeper

Sep 26, 2013, 2:48 AM

FYI - Google updated their satelite view for San Francisco in Google Maps so the view is much more current and shows a lot of the projects discussed on this forum.

Cool, lots of recent projects are visible. They probably captured the images over a period of time, but it matches up closest to the April 2013 time frame. 45 Lansing looks like it's just starting to move dirt around, which matches this photo (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6082580&postcount=270), and the America's Cup concert stage at Pier 27 is under construction (first concert was end of May).

fimiak

Sep 26, 2013, 5:34 PM

http://i.imgur.com/3hmLvro.jpg (http://imgur.com/3hmLvro)

Also it looks to me like Transbay Block 6 is getting prepped beginning today.

mt_climber13

Sep 28, 2013, 4:56 AM

I love this Market and Buchanan project. Saitowicz is one of my favorite architects.

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h446/walamesalad/IMG_6377_zps08f14d20.jpg

And 55 9th St... in context:

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h446/walamesalad/IMG_6373_zpsf1881e0d.jpg

cv94117

Sep 28, 2013, 5:48 AM

I love this Market and Buchanan project. Saitowicz is one of my favorite architects.

Except this is not SSaitowitz.

fimiak

Sep 28, 2013, 7:06 AM

Saitowitz is nothing compared to Zaha Hadid

Hopefully her firm can bring something to SF in the next decade...

mt_climber13

Sep 28, 2013, 3:13 PM

Except this is not SSaitowitz.

Oh, my bad! I got it confused with 8 Octavia. Well this architect is awesome too!

minesweeper

Sep 28, 2013, 5:42 PM

I noticed this week that an apartment building was being demolished on the 1400 block of Divisadero at O'Farrell. I haven't seen anything written about it, so I looked it up, and it appears to be part of the final phase of a major Kaiser expansion project first approved waaaaaay back in 1997 (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Kaiser-plans-huge-expansion-3139809.php). Here's an ancient PDF (http://zasfplan.sfplanning.org/IMP/IMP_docs/Kaiser_1998_08_27.pdf) that describes the project.

The apartment building had 21 units of low income housing, which have since been replaced by a new building at 2139 O'Farrell (http://tcdc-sf.org/projects_off.html) that started construction in 2009. The demolition of the vacant old building was first mentioned in 2006 (http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/kaiser-expansion-benefits-area/Content?oid=2158321), but delayed seven years for some reason. Here's the project description from 2008 (http://www.sf-planning.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=4215):

The applicant proposes to demolish the exising three ‐ story, mixed ‐ use building on Lot 9, merge Lot 9 with Lot 38, and construct a new five ‐ story (as measured from O’Farrell Street), 75,000 gross square feet outpatient clinic and medical office building for Kaiser Permanente. The project will consist 23,000 square feet of clinic space, 21,000 square feet of circulation, 10,500 square feet of medical office space, 17,000 square feet of mechanical / building services space, and 3,000 square feet of retail space.

I don't see permits for new construction, so they may just be demolishing the old building for now, but hopefully this means we'll have another construction project underway soon.

viewguysf

Sep 28, 2013, 8:00 PM

jbm

Sep 28, 2013, 10:11 PM

i walked by a couple of smaller projects that get lost in the shuffle. at 15th and south van ness the frame of the building may be complete. it is completely wrapped and with scaffolding all around, so its hard to tell. A block away, on mission and 15th (across the st. from Vara) it looks like work is underway on what I believe is a conversion from commercial to residential building.

fflint

Sep 29, 2013, 1:25 AM

Arquitectonica--by far one of the best in the business--designed Linea.

Saitowitz is a pretty good architect, though, and the renderings for 8 Octavia are pretty slick.

timbad

Sep 29, 2013, 9:51 AM

speaking of Linea, here is an angle we haven't seen much, looking south down Buchanan:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5508/9995279754_f321d5a533_b.jpg

a reminder that just up the street from here is the 55 Laguna project (http://sf.curbed.com/places/55-laguna) (which is actually two entire blocks between Laguna and Buchanan, sort of tucked away between Linea and Venn, not very visible from Market but should have quite an impact on the neighborhood. bridging Octavia/Hayes Valley and Lower Haight). a token shot of the demo going on there:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2814/9995316085_b6ddb1d7ac_b.jpg

jumping back over to 38 Dolores, here is what I think will be the best part of the project: improved pedestrian experience along Dolores! bad lighting, but you can basically see where it's going. looking south:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2809/9995424913_6f2a355f04_b.jpg

fimiak

Sep 29, 2013, 4:21 PM

Main and mission st happening now...350 mission pour

http://i.imgur.com/3Gvfg8A.jpg (http://imgur.com/3Gvfg8A)

simms3_redux

Sep 29, 2013, 4:26 PM

Main and mission st happening now...350 mission pour

I posted this webcam screen grab in the 350 Mission subforum, but might as well tack onto your pic:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/350mission20130929_zps02936e21.jpg

simms3_redux

Sep 30, 2013, 3:21 PM

Random shots from weekend:

Linea:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Linea1_zpsfd77eb5b.jpg

38 Dolores:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/38Dolores_zps9565f733.jpg

350 Mission (far from an impact on skyline...yet):

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/350Mission_zps231701a0.jpg

Cranes for 5th and Folsom:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/5thandFolsom_zps1c24c626.jpg

10th and Market/100 Van Ness:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Mid-Market1_zps47074b5d.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Mid-Market2_zpsebd98c12.jpg

Mission Bay shots:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay4_zps6854c7be.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay3_zps85e70805.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay2_zps3fadd1d8.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay1_zpsf184b4a1.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay5_zps05eb3ca0.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay6_zpsbf979785.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay7_zps5bf4f801.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/MissionBay8_zpsa5a5b2df.jpg

Crane for the 15 floor Hampton Inn going up:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/HamptonInn_zps21b55fab.jpg

Crane for the New Mission going up:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/NewMission_zps39d3fad6.jpg

Rendering in case we all forgot about this development:

http://www.socketsite.com/2558%20Mission%20Rendering.jpg
http://www.socketsite.com/2558%20Mission%20Rendered%20Facade.jpg
http://www.socketsite.com/2558%20Mission%20Rendered%20North%20View.jpg

Rincon Hill construction:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Rincon1_zpsc7873761.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Rincon2_zpsc8cc0c5c.jpg

Saitowitz finished Dogpatch design:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Saitowitz1_zpsfba54f4a.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Saitowitz2_zpsa0c4e54d.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Saitowitz3_zps10a3c5e4.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Saitowitz4_zps1528c5d6.jpg

simms3_redux

Sep 30, 2013, 3:30 PM

Lumina from last week (digging fast):

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Lumina1_zpsce7a5d5b.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Lumina3_zps7be1bdd2.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/Lumina4_zps23397c28.jpg

jbm

Oct 1, 2013, 3:00 AM

Great shots!

I walked by 10th and mission today, and it looked like they may be getting ready to start work on the lot across mission from NEMA, 1401 mission I think.

Jerry of San Fran

Oct 1, 2013, 5:08 PM

jbm - I walked past the site yesterday (former automotive business) as well - looks like work may start soon for the demolition of the small garage. A search can be done on SkyscraperPage for what the building might look like. I suspect since we first saw a rendering of the building it has changed a lot.

In the foreground you can see Crescent Heights building on the right & Market Square on the left. The parking area across the street seen here is the future highrise development at 1400 Mission St. which will mostly obscure my view of 1415 Mission.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5491/10040399454_e3f1d235d7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/10040399454/)
Development @ 10th & Mission (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/10040399454/) by Apollo's Light (http://www.flickr.com/people/antinous/), on Flickr

peanut gallery

Oct 1, 2013, 9:09 PM

Nice scoop, guys. Hopefully, SocketSite or someone will find an updated rendering soon.

minesweeper

Oct 3, 2013, 2:31 AM

San Francisco Leads Office Leasing on Tech Strength (http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2013/10/02/no-shutdown-in-sight-san-francisco-leads-office-leasing-on-tech-strength/)

San Francisco saw effective rents—which are rents paid by tenants after incentives and discounts—rise 7.8% over the past 12 months. The city was followed by the San Jose area—which includes Silicon Valley—New York, Houston, and Dallas.

[...]

Such rapid growth by tech firms has caused developers to get building. Kilroy Realty Trust has numerous projects in the city and Silicon Valley under way—including a large new tower for Salesforce.com—and is planning to start on two more later this year.

John Kilroy Jr., the company’s chief executive and chairman, said the developer is bullish given that numerous tenants are already looking at the new projects, which total more than 450,000 square feet.

“We’re in negotiation on all of that square feet multiple times over,” Mr. Kilroy said. “We’re very enthusiastic about what’s going.”

And:

Twitter in talks to expand Mid-Market campus by 320,000 square feet (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/10/twitter-to-expand-mid-market-campus-by.html)

Twitter is in advanced talks to double the size of its Mid-Market headquarters. The 320,000-square-foot deal would bring the company’s Market Square footprint to about 600,000 square feet.

Jerry of San Fran

Oct 3, 2013, 3:50 AM

minesweeper - thanks for the update. When I look out at night I see 3 floors lit by Twitter in Market Square. Looks like we will be seeing more lights at night across the street! I look forward to a more vibrant neighborhood in 2 years.

timbad

Oct 3, 2013, 6:28 AM

couple aerial shots of some of the TransBay project sites (TransBay Terminal, TB Tower, 350 Mission, 535 Mission, 181 Fremont demo), from this morning

the iPhoto 'enhanced' version:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/10064886795_e4feeeb45f_b.jpg

and unenhanced, slightly different angle:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5459/10065006473_ccbab08a5e_b.jpg

edit: forgot this one, from the north

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2850/10064881114_24c639972c_b.jpg

biggerhigherfaster

Oct 3, 2013, 3:43 PM

Nice pics; do you own your small plane/copter? How did you get those pics?

The Mission Bay ones in the other thread actually make Mission Bay (and much of SOMA) look pretty sparse and underdeveloped--which isn't surprising to anyone who has been there often. It's developing, but clearly 60%+ of MB is currently unaccounted

mt_climber13

Oct 3, 2013, 3:45 PM

I am amazed (thanks to your beautiful pics) at how big the footprint for Transbay tower is, and how small the footprint for 181 Fremont is!

shakman

Oct 3, 2013, 4:28 PM

Amazing aerials.

Could anyone so kindly indicate, from the aerial pics, the locations of the TB Tower and 181 Fremont?

ElDuderino

Oct 3, 2013, 6:23 PM

Amazing aerials.

Could anyone so kindly indicate, from the aerial pics, the locations of the TB Tower and 181 Fremont?

Image originally posted by Timbad (Hope you don't mind)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3976/axa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/axa8.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

tall/awkward

Oct 3, 2013, 9:47 PM

Great aerials! I especially like the overhead of Millennium and its weird geometry...

theskythelimit

Oct 3, 2013, 10:25 PM

Looking at the aerial pictures provided, are there any downtown buildings with helipads?

jbm

Oct 3, 2013, 11:33 PM

i'm not positive, but my recollection is that there are no helipads in SF at all.

fflint

Oct 4, 2013, 12:06 AM

Timbad, thanks for sharing those awesome and rare aerial perspectives. It's a lot easier to discuss all these projects when we can locate them all in one shot, as here.

Say--is there any chance we could access your aerials in a bigger size? ;)

timbad

Oct 4, 2013, 4:20 AM

Timbad, thanks for sharing ...

Say--is there any chance we could access your aerials in a bigger size? ;)

you're quite welcome (fflint and all), am happy people liked the shots, and yes, absolutely, I'll post the original sizes here (and in the MB thread).

biggerhigherfaster, I wish the small plane were mine, haha, but I just got lucky that my company sent me up to Redding yesterday and the flight path happened to go over the City

much obliged, Duderino, for your annotation to the pic!

timbad

Oct 4, 2013, 4:26 AM

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/10064886795_2ef0935c22_o.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5459/10065006473_90ca0377ce_o.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2850/10064881114_8d3f830b9c_o.jpg

Jerry of San Fran

Oct 4, 2013, 7:57 AM

Helipad - there is one helipad that I know of - on top of the San Francisco Jail. It is lit every night but is not used. There used to be a police helicopter many years ago.

Bank of America had one on it's building in the 1400 block of Market Street but neighbors objected to the test landings and it was never used.

WildCowboy

Oct 4, 2013, 2:39 PM

SF General used to use a helipad at Pier 94. They don't use it anymore, but I believe it's still there.

UCSF will have a helipad on top of its new Mission Bay hospital, so I guess that will be the only functioning one in the city.

peanut gallery

Oct 4, 2013, 4:40 PM

timbad - you are the man! These are amazing. Of course, now I'll be totally unproductive today, staring at these incredible and unique shots. But it's so worth it.

One new item (for me anyway): I see 350 Mission's core taking shape. Can't wait for that one to rise out of its massive hole.

fimiak

Oct 5, 2013, 8:28 PM

viewguysf

Oct 5, 2013, 9:07 PM

These pics are amazing. The last picture shows just how intrusive the bay bridge off-ramp is in downtown. Not only is there a lot of under-used real estate, but removing the ramp would free up traffic in these streets during rush hour (which can be gruesome).

They just rebuilt that ramp and it serves well to get traffic off the freeway and onto Fremont. How else would you have cars exit the bridge? Short ramps would back up.

Jerry of San Fran

Oct 5, 2013, 9:20 PM

It looks like the next big thing in my neighborhood is happening - I see a piece of heavy equipment onsite now. Below is a picture from my apartment (Essex Fox Plaza, 27th Floor) and 2 drawings of the "proposed" building at the Heller Manus web page, http://hellermanus.com/1415 mission street.html

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5491/10106061694_1a222469a7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/10106061694/)
1415 Mission - 10-05-2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/10106061694/) by Apollo's Light (http://www.flickr.com/people/antinous/), on Flickr

biggerhigherfaster

Oct 5, 2013, 9:37 PM

Good to see the 1415 mission project. While Market St. is developing, Mission still looks and feels run down from 5th St. on down

viewguysf

Oct 5, 2013, 10:33 PM

Good to see the 1415 mission project. While Market St. is developing, Mission still looks and feels run down from 5th St. on down

You mean 5th on up! ;)

easy as pie

Oct 6, 2013, 5:48 AM

of course, heller manus delivers another piece of shit design. nice work, guys! anyway, good scale and height, hopefully with grade-level commercial.

viewguysf

Oct 6, 2013, 4:33 PM

of course, heller manus delivers another piece of shit design. nice work, guys! anyway, good scale and height, hopefully with grade-level commercial.

Yeah, no kidding--it's totally mediocre at best, awful at worst. It's hard to believe they designed the fab 181 Fremont tower.

coyotetrickster

Oct 6, 2013, 5:57 PM

Yeah, no kidding--it's totally mediocre at best, awful at worst. It's hard to believe they designed the fab 181 Fremont tower.

The developer plays a fundamental role in what the architect can design. They may be given material cost specs that will dictate a particular visual outcome. Jay Paul clearly believes he can bring in big dollar rents for 181 and, push comes to shove, is willing to pay for top notch materials. If you notice, all the tweaks on the original heller mcmanus (sp?) designs were for the exteriors, the massings and layouts all stayed the same. Just pointing out the real world constraints that dictate design.

biggerhigherfaster

Oct 6, 2013, 7:42 PM

of course, heller manus delivers another piece of shit design. nice work, guys! anyway, good scale and height, hopefully with grade-level commercial.

That general area, Mission and 10th and the surrounding blocks, are so run down that just about anything is a major improvement; I think this building is fine; we just need to get thousands of people into the area

1977

Oct 6, 2013, 8:11 PM

Sorry, if this is a repost, but here is the SFMOMA expansion construction cam:

http://www.sfmoma.org/our_expansion/expansion_building/constructioncam

cv94117

Oct 6, 2013, 11:39 PM

The developer plays a fundamental role in what the architect can design. They may be given material cost specs that will dictate a particular visual outcome. Jay Paul clearly believes he can bring in big dollar rents for 181 and, push comes to shove, is willing to pay for top notch materials. If you notice, all the tweaks on the original heller mcmanus (sp?) designs were for the exteriors, the massings and layouts all stayed the same. Just pointing out the real world constraints that dictate design.

Not true. A talented architect can do great things with inexpensive materials. Look at the range of affordable housing developments in the city (some by David Baker, Leddy Maytum Stacy, etc., are leagues beyond others by less talented architects and they are all with bare-bones budgets that affordable housing requires). And it's not true that only the exteriors were changed on Heller Manus' projects. Look at the Infinity and the new ones going up next door (Lumina?). They were both boring square towers as conceived by H/M. The massing is all that remains (although even that has been tweaked slightly in the second project), but Arquitectonica completely revamped the designs - much more than facade treatment. What they did with those towers after inheriting them from Heller Manus was nothing short of major surgery.

cv94117

Oct 6, 2013, 11:45 PM

Good to see the 1415 mission project. While Market St. is developing, Mission still looks and feels run down from 5th St. on down

What about the one across the street form 1415 Mission (1400 maybe?) - the affordable development about the same size as 1415 that's going on the lot where Nema's construction trailers were? Anyone know when that's expected to break ground? I thought they were just waiting for the construction trailers to go away.

And while I'm in the vicinity, what's with the little black building built along with Nema at the end of the alley between Nema and 1400 Mission - backed up against the Square building. I thought it was just a temporary building for generators or something, but it's beginning to look more and more permanent. Anyone have an idea? Even at the end of an alley, someone at planning wasn't doing their job if they approved allowing that thing to remain.

fimiak

Oct 7, 2013, 12:49 AM

Nema's construction trailers have moved out of that spot. It looks ready as it will ever be to me.

Here's some pics from NeMa 24th floor deck today.

http://i.imgur.com/Wn9uitY.jpg (http://imgur.com/Wn9uitY)

http://i.imgur.com/dNTSYAd.jpg (http://imgur.com/dNTSYAd)

http://i.imgur.com/RJPolao.jpg (http://imgur.com/RJPolao)

http://i.imgur.com/VOQL2Fe.jpg (http://imgur.com/VOQL2Fe)

Jerry of San Fran

Oct 7, 2013, 2:58 AM

fimiak - great pictures & better view than I had expected. Look forward to more reports.

timbad

Oct 7, 2013, 4:07 AM

What about the one across the street form 1415 Mission (1400 maybe?) - the affordable development about the same size as 1415 that's going on the lot where Nema's construction trailers were? Anyone know when that's expected to break ground? I thought they were just waiting for the construction trailers to go away....

in this Planning doc (http://http://sf-planning.org/ftp/files/Commission/cpcpackets), it says

Of the 190 total units, 167 of the units serve as the off-site below-market rate units for the 201
Folsom Street project. Pursuant to Ordinance 20-04, all of the units designated as the off-site units
for 201 Folsom Street must be completed within 5 years of the start of construction of the 201
Folsom Street project

...that's not a huge help on the start date, but it does mean the clock is ticking

viewguysf

Oct 7, 2013, 6:41 AM

Thanks for the cool photos fimiak!

The taller north NEMA tower looked phenomenal tonight from in front of the Veteran's Building and Opera House on the west side of Van Ness! That's definitely its best angle. Sunday's stunning golden sunset affected the tower beautifully, with very impressive highlights and coloration. I'm sorry I didn't have a decent camera with me or the time to snap a phone shot as I was running to get to Davies on time.

simms3_redux

Oct 7, 2013, 2:46 PM

The latest:

One Rincon Hill - looks like they've reached the point of the structure that features smaller floorplates.

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/SanFranciscoConstandMoreOct-13002_zpsdaa87922.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/SanFranciscoConstandMoreOct-13001_zps57ea16d3.jpg

535 Mission

They have added 4 floors since the last update - now up to floor 11:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/SanFranciscoConstandMoreOct-13003_zps89d946cf.jpg

Note girl in green sweater below for size reference:

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/SanFranciscoConstandMoreOct-13006_zps704422ee.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/SF%20Construction%20Sep%2029/SanFranciscoConstandMoreOct-13007_zps9c160baf.jpg

1977

Oct 8, 2013, 1:19 AM

Transbay Terminal 360 Pano:
http://www.steelbluellc.com/Pano/TransbayTerminal/

Also, an aerial view of current and upcoming project near the terminal:
http://www.steelbluellc.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/SF-Future-Developments_2013-09-16-1024x576.jpg
Source and larger version: http://www.steelbluellc.com/web/transbay-transit-center-2/

minesweeper

Oct 8, 2013, 4:32 PM

Demolition has already begun, and now we have an update on what's being built first at 55 Laguna:

Wood Partners has started demolition of the non-historic structures on the 5.8-acre development at 55 Laguna St., a $150 million project that will total 330 market-rate rental apartments. The site will eventually include a 110-unit affordable senior development by Mercy Housing and OpenHouse, but that project is not fully financed and is probably about a year away from construction.

[...]

Wood Partners will build the entire market-rate project at once, rather than phasing it. He said the decision not to spread out the risk and build in phases was driven by both by belief in the strength of the market as well as design considerations. “If you look at amenities like Waller Park and the Woods Hall Annex, they are requirements of a single project, not two separate projects,” he said.

The developer plans to start leasing units in 2015. The development will have a gym, club room and bike shop.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/10/a-decade-later-150m-development.html?page=all

biggerhigherfaster

Oct 8, 2013, 6:07 PM

Demolition has already begun, and now we have an update on what's being built first at 55 Laguna:

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/10/a-decade-later-150m-development.html?page=all

I like the non-phased (or single-phase) approach. Oftentimes, you need all "phases" completed in order to make the project a success and a place that people want to live. So many projects start with one phase. When that one phase is done, the surrounding parcels for future phases are empty land...which causes that first phase to be unsuccessful due to lack of amenities and density that would only exist if the other phases were completed...and then the future phases eventually go uncompleted.

IMBY

Oct 9, 2013, 6:13 AM

Good to see the 1415 mission project. While Market St. is developing, Mission still looks and feels run down from 5th St. on down

Come on now! Let's not go overboard and Bloomberg-ize San Francisco. Try to imagine what San Francisco would be like today with 3 mayoral terms of the likes of Bloomberg!!! Angel Island would have become the Riker's Island to stash all the homeless? NYC has become nothing more than an antiseptic San Diego of the East Coast! Good grief! They even sterilized Harlem!

I was just up in SF last week, staying in a more colorful, interesting part of SF, Larkin/Geary at the Motel 6. No need for a TV in my room, I was entertained enough watching the foot traffic from the 3rd floor balcony overlooking Larkin!

Leaving SF, I decided to stop at the 16th/Mission Bart stop, just to take a peek at that slice of SF! OMG! It was like walking into Tijuana! Loved it, loved it, loved it!:tup: Could hardly drag myself away from that 2-story Thrift Town thrift store, particularly the used book section!

I say, let's leave the seedier areas of SF intact, keep SF a widely diverse city and not take the NYC route!

I pray the new mayor of NYC brings some much-needed seediness back to that city!

BushMan

Oct 9, 2013, 6:49 AM

Come on now! Let's not go overboard and Bloomberg-ize San Francisco. Try to imagine what San Francisco would be like today with 3 mayoral terms of the likes of Bloomberg!!! Angel Island would have become the Riker's Island to stash all the homeless? NYC has become nothing more than an antiseptic San Diego of the East Coast! Good grief! They even sterilized Harlem!

I was just up in SF last week, staying in a more colorful, interesting part of SF, Larkin/Geary at the Motel 6. No need for a TV in my room, I was entertained enough watching the foot traffic from the 3rd floor balcony overlooking Larkin!

Leaving SF, I decided to stop at the 16th/Mission Bart stop, just to take a peek at that slice of SF! OMG! It was like walking into Tijuana! Loved it, loved it, loved it!:tup: Could hardly drag myself away from that 2-story Thrift Town thrift store, particularly the used book section!

I say, let's leave the seedier areas of SF intact, keep SF a widely diverse city and not take the NYC route!

I pray the new mayor of NYC brings some much-needed seediness back to that city!

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I've often fantasized about Rudy Giuliani swooping down and cleaning the filth out of San Francisco. Of course it will never happen in a city so dominated by so-called "Progressive" politics but one can always dream.

Bring on the gentrification! :cheers:

POLA

Oct 9, 2013, 7:00 AM

I was just up in SF last week, staying in a more colorful, interesting part of SF, Larkin/Geary at the Motel 6. No need for a TV in my room, I was entertained enough watching the foot traffic from the 3rd floor balcony overlooking Larkin!

I'm not sure if human misery qualifies for entertainment, but I agree with you about how homogenous New York City has become. The ideal should be a place with both diversity and high standards of living. Of course, that's some pie in the sky talk..

soleri

Oct 9, 2013, 1:52 PM

I'm not sure if human misery qualifies for entertainment, but I agree with you about how homogenous New York City has become. The ideal should be a place with both diversity and high standards of living. Of course, that's some pie in the sky talk..

One word: Portlandia. Maybe the city has to be a certain size and with a finely balanced demographic but Portland shows that it can be done.

hruski

Oct 9, 2013, 4:26 PM

One word: Portlandia. Maybe the city has to be a certain size and with a finely balanced demographic but Portland shows that it can be done.

Portland is over 75% White. Some people preferring granola while others prefer muesli does not a diverse city make.

fimiak

Oct 9, 2013, 4:39 PM

The answer to high rents is more housing. Considering the city is already receiving a population boom, housing construction should be off the charts.

Gordo

Oct 9, 2013, 5:45 PM

I think folks often equate "New York" with simply "Manhattan". There's plenty of human suffering remaining in the Bronx and Queens, if you're dying to see that kind of thing.

IMBY

Oct 10, 2013, 2:09 AM

One word: Portlandia. Maybe the city has to be a certain size and with a finely balanced demographic but Portland shows that it can be done.

Where did I miss it!!! On my 2 trips to Portland in 2005/2008. I rode every mile of their light rail system, and I saw no diversity whatsoever there. And Seattle was no different!

San Francisco has all the ingredients I'm looking for in a diverse urban city and, I say, keep up the good work of keeping in that way! When tourists finally get tired of visiting sterilized "super safe" cities, they will eventually come to appreciate the diversity of this great city. :tup:

It would help if these Hop-on-hop-off bus trips would include a stop at 16th/Mission and the guides would be more objective. The guide on my bus trip last Wed., on a skip thru Tenderloin, warned the passengers you don't want to be walking around this dangerous area of town at night. And? With that, they probably won't venture over there during the daytime either! What a shame!:(

For someone who loves spending weekends in "poor-man's San Francisco"/Tijuana, to scare me would be quite a challenge to any tour guide!

WonderlandPark

Oct 10, 2013, 4:01 AM

tech12

Oct 10, 2013, 6:19 AM

IMBY, you must be blind re: the seattle LRT, it goes through a thoroughly African American neighborhood as you come in from Sea-Tac, then through a Southeast Asian hood (did you not see all the Vietnamese?) then International district (Chinese). I think its as diverse as riding BART from SF through Oakland down the peninsula substitute Indian for Vietnamese (remembering the scale of Seattle is so much smaller than the Bay Area, at least the area that the LRT traverses is)

Agree about Portland, as much as I like that town, its very White Bread.

No need to take BART for a good diversity comparison. Hop on the muni light rail in Visitation Valley, and take it through the city. You'll start in a majority asian area (mostly chinese) that also has lots of latino, black and white residents, then you'll go through the bayview which is something like 40% black, 30% asian, 25% latino, and 5% white, then you'll go through dog patch and mission bay, which are mostly white and Asian, then downtown/the tenderloin/civic center which is very diverse, with lots of white, latino, Asian, and black residents (Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, etc)...and then depending on what line you're on, you hit mostly white areas, mostly asian areas, mixed asian/latino/black/white areas, etc.

But yeah, Portland is definitely whiter than Seattle or SF.

IMBY

Oct 10, 2013, 8:09 AM

fimiak

Oct 10, 2013, 10:29 PM

Mid-Market Collection from this afternoon. Linea is my favorite.

http://i.imgur.com/iBWQrx0.jpg (http://imgur.com/iBWQrx0)
http://i.imgur.com/wIGKgM3.jpg (http://imgur.com/wIGKgM3)
http://i.imgur.com/2kVt7fW.jpg (http://imgur.com/2kVt7fW)
http://i.imgur.com/O6pxTGp.jpg (http://imgur.com/O6pxTGp)
http://i.imgur.com/ty346e4.jpg (http://imgur.com/ty346e4)
http://i.imgur.com/CpC08d3.jpg (http://imgur.com/CpC08d3)

SF born and RAISED

Oct 11, 2013, 12:39 AM

I received my SF Municipal Ballot in the mail today. For those who don't know, there are 2 propositions on the ballot concerning 8 Washington. Prop. B is the initiative to allow 8 Washington to go up and Prop. C is the referendum to increase the height limit for that area. You can take a guess on how my ballot went.

fflint

Oct 11, 2013, 12:41 AM

theskythelimit

Oct 11, 2013, 12:57 AM

SF born and RAISED

Oct 11, 2013, 4:04 AM

I thought there was another proposition against 8 Washington. Are both Props B&C sponsored by the same people?

Prop B is sponsored by Open Up the Waterfront. Prop C. is supported by the same group and many of the same people. Don't know exactly who or what group sponsors that one though.

easy as pie

Oct 11, 2013, 4:24 AM

Was riding my bike and noticed 899 Valencia Street (at 20th) is in the excavation phase after being in limbo for two and a half years. 18 units, presumably condos:

http://sf.curbed.com/uploads/2011_05_27_899valencia.jpg
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2011/05/27/the_mission_the_planning_commission_approves_899_valencia_70.php

great news, but please let them have updated the design to current standards of quality. sidenote: the street vendors there have done good trade for some time, i bought a somewhat worn (but easily restored) 1950s coach briefcase a few weeks ago there. it'll be interesting to see where they relocate to, likely just a couple blocks down to 18th and valencia.

minesweeper

Oct 11, 2013, 5:22 AM

I thought there was another proposition against 8 Washington. Are both Props B&C sponsored by the same people?

Prop C is the one put on the ballot by opponents of the project. However, instead of asking "Should the approvals be overturned?", it's worded to ask "Should the approval take effect?". So, somewhat confusingly, opponents of the project want people to vote no on their own proposition.

Prop B is the one placed on the ballot by the project sponsors that creates a special use district that allows the developer to build what's already been approved.

hruski

Oct 11, 2013, 6:22 AM

great news, but please let them have updated the design to current standards of quality. sidenote: the street vendors there have done good trade for some time, i bought a somewhat worn (but easily restored) 1950s coach briefcase a few weeks ago there. it'll be interesting to see where they relocate to, likely just a couple blocks down to 18th and valencia.
true that. i've gotten lots of good art there.
maybe some of them will come down to 23rd/valencia, where there's another vacant, gated corner lot.

simms3_redux

Oct 11, 2013, 11:47 PM

The latest from Curbed on the Hampton Inn (15 floors) rising on Mission between 5th and 6th near the old Mint.

http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2013/10/11/highrise_checkin_transbay_tower_permitted_and_more.php#more

Current: The hotel has risen above street level and support walls are concurrently being poured for both the first and second floor. The lower portion of the building before setbacks will be 5-6 stories, so once that is completed expect to see this future hotel rise to its full height very rapidly.

Interesting pictures at the link.

jg6544

Oct 11, 2013, 11:49 PM

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I've often fantasized about Rudy Giuliani swooping down and cleaning the filth out of San Francisco. Of course it will never happen in a city so dominated by so-called "Progressive" politics but one can always dream.

Bring on the gentrification! :cheers:

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

jg6544

Oct 11, 2013, 11:53 PM

Come on now! Let's not go overboard and Bloomberg-ize San Francisco. Try to imagine what San Francisco would be like today with 3 mayoral terms of the likes of Bloomberg!!! Angel Island would have become the Riker's Island to stash all the homeless? NYC has become nothing more than an antiseptic San Diego of the East Coast! Good grief! They even sterilized Harlem!

I was just up in SF last week, staying in a more colorful, interesting part of SF, Larkin/Geary at the Motel 6. No need for a TV in my room, I was entertained enough watching the foot traffic from the 3rd floor balcony overlooking Larkin!

Leaving SF, I decided to stop at the 16th/Mission Bart stop, just to take a peek at that slice of SF! OMG! It was like walking into Tijuana! Loved it, loved it, loved it!:tup: Could hardly drag myself away from that 2-story Thrift Town thrift store, particularly the used book section!

I say, let's leave the seedier areas of SF intact, keep SF a widely diverse city and not take the NYC route!

I pray the new mayor of NYC brings some much-needed seediness back to that city!

Second the motion! Although they could do to keep the streets better-swept, I like the diversity of San Francisco and would be delighted to see the "yuppification" brought to a dead, screeching halt.

BushMan

Oct 12, 2013, 12:31 AM

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

Nope, I love San Francisco! (thanks for the unsolicited suggestions, though).

I'm staying put, especially since The City should continue to gentrify nicely!

jbm

Oct 12, 2013, 12:56 AM

POLA

Oct 12, 2013, 4:42 AM

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

What's wrong with Atlanta? Dallas, I get, but come one.... Hotlanta isn't some conservative, backwards, banal place... That's Georgia.

Ant131531

Oct 12, 2013, 4:56 AM

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

Atlanta probably has the most homeless out of any city in the South easily. It's far from being clean. We have our own 'Tinderlion' areas within our core itself.

coyotetrickster

Oct 12, 2013, 6:04 PM

Atlanta probably has the most homeless out of any city in the South easily. It's far from being clean. We have our own 'Tinderlion' areas within our core itself.

Having lived in Atlanta for many years, I can assure you the city has nothing like the Tenderloin.

Ant131531

Oct 12, 2013, 8:16 PM

Having lived in Atlanta for many years, I can assure you the city has nothing like the Tenderloin.

Pine Street/Peachtree St. intersection? Five Points Station and South Downtown? Those aren't exactly places people want to hang out at after dark lol... For such a cheap city, it's surprising that Atlanta has such a large homeless population(~6100 in the metro).

minesweeper

Oct 12, 2013, 8:29 PM

now that NEMA is closer to completion, it looks like they are about to start work on 1400 mission. a new fence has been put up around the lot, and street parking along mission is blocked off until March.

If both 1400 and 1415 Mission get going, that's going to be an incredible transformation for a 1+ block stretch of Tenth Street. From parking lots and rubble in 2012 to almost 1100 new housing units by 2015.

jg6544

Oct 12, 2013, 8:47 PM

What's wrong with Atlanta? Dallas, I get, but come one.... Hotlanta isn't some conservative, backwards, banal place... That's Georgia.

Nothing is wrong with either city, if your preference is for bland suburbs with a lot of tall buildings in the middle.

What makes The City a city is its diversity - economic and racial - and it has an actual downtown that doesn't empty out after work. It has decent public transportation; it's compact; it has world-class cultural attractions. If it turns into Menlo Park with highrises, that will be very sad.

Jerry of San Fran

Oct 12, 2013, 9:19 PM

JBM - thanks for the update. Here is a picture that I took today, Saturday 10/12/13 of 1400 and 1415 Mission Street from my apartment. You can see a guy marking the asphalt in red paint at 1400 Mission St. I'm surprised that both projects are happening so fast! I will see 2 cranes probably later this year. Those folks that just moved into the new highrise next door had better be prepared for a lot of lights, dust and noise for the next 12 months and enjoy the view from the 2nd to the 12th floor before it disappears.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2873/10233161523_5570dc37b5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/10233161523/)
1400 & 1415 Mission Street - 2013_10_12 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/10233161523/) by Apollo's Light (http://www.flickr.com/people/antinous/), on Flickr

simms3_redux

Oct 12, 2013, 9:31 PM

Pine Street/Peachtree St. intersection? Five Points Station and South Downtown? Those aren't exactly places people want to hang out at after dark lol... For such a cheap city, it's surprising that Atlanta has such a large homeless population(~6100 in the metro).

Agreeing with Coyotetrickster and also having lived in Atlanta for many years, there are no comparisons between the two cities. Pine St homeless shelter is the biggest calamity and crime to the city I've ever heard of, but it is 1 block. 5 Points and the 1, maybe 2 blocks south, is the south's version of Fulton St in Brooklyn - it's simply an area filled with welfare recipients who just hang out all day, and their families who shop at Foot Locker or "the Under ground". Maybe a hoodlum or pimp every so often, a few homeless, and a few working professionals who may have to begrudgingly go down there to pay a visit to the courthouse/jury duty. It empties out at night and basically nobody lives down there. Diverse it is not (TL actually has ethnic enclaves within it and around it, and the poor/homeless there aren't all one race).

Atlanta has 6,100 homeless in its sprawled metro? The tiny City of SF has 7,000-10,000 by itself, mostly concentrated in the 'Loin, not to mention the TL has 70,000++ people living per square mile in SRO's, the largest concentration of SRO's in America. These don't exist in Atlanta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_room_occupancy

Visit the recent Tenderloin thread in "My Photos" for pictures of one if you are unclear on what they are. I love the Tenderloin and join others in opining that some of the city's best bars are there, so unlike 5 Points in Atlanta, there is reason for working professionals to visit the grimiest part of the city.

Back to this discussion, I am happy that developers who put up these super elite condos must pay towards the development of affordable housing/senior housing in the city. Some of the best projects going up nowadays are these 10-20 story housing projects going up, such as Mercy Housing's newest project now halfway up right in the Tenderloin at Golden Gate and Jones.

There is that housing project going up near me on Broadway between North Beach and Jackson Square...no fast progress yet, though I have a good view of the crane from my building's 23rd floor roof. :)

Ant131531

Oct 12, 2013, 11:35 PM

Agreeing with Coyotetrickster and also having lived in Atlanta for many years, there are no comparisons between the two cities. Pine St homeless shelter is the biggest calamity and crime to the city I've ever heard of, but it is 1 block. 5 Points and the 1, maybe 2 blocks south, is the south's version of Fulton St in Brooklyn - it's simply an area filled with welfare recipients who just hang out all day, and their families who shop at Foot Locker or "the Under ground". Maybe a hoodlum or pimp every so often, a few homeless, and a few working professionals who may have to begrudgingly go down there to pay a visit to the courthouse/jury duty. It empties out at night and basically nobody lives down there. Diverse it is not (TL actually has ethnic enclaves within it and around it, and the poor/homeless there aren't all one race).

Atlanta has 6,100 homeless in its sprawled metro? The tiny City of SF has 7,000-10,000 by itself, mostly concentrated in the 'Loin, not to mention the TL has 70,000++ people living per square mile in SRO's, the largest concentration of SRO's in America. These don't exist in Atlanta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_room_occupancy

Visit the recent Tenderloin thread in "My Photos" for pictures of one if you are unclear on what they are. I love the Tenderloin and join others in opining that some of the city's best bars are there, so unlike 5 Points in Atlanta, there is reason for working professionals to visit the grimiest part of the city.

Back to this discussion, I am happy that developers who put up these super elite condos must pay towards the development of affordable housing/senior housing in the city. Some of the best projects going up nowadays are these 10-20 story housing projects going up, such as Mercy Housing's newest project now halfway up right in the Tenderloin at Golden Gate and Jones.

There is that housing project going up near me on Broadway between North Beach and Jackson Square...no fast progress yet, though I have a good view of the crane from my building's 23rd floor roof. :)

Oh I definitely know that Atlanta is nowhere near as compact and bustling as SF is. That's not even a discussion. I'll be looking at your pictures and I'm visiting SF this winter! So excited!

simms3_redux

Oct 13, 2013, 1:51 AM

^^^Not my photos as in I took them, the "My Photos" section. They are someone else's collection. ;)

llamaorama

Oct 13, 2013, 2:31 AM

In my mind what separates a truly "big" city, amongst other simply "major" cities, is having multiple hives of activity.

In a city like SF, does it really matter if one little area is dirty out of a massive expensive metropolis? If you gentrified it where would the stuff in the Tenderloin or Mission go?

I guess it would be worse for Atlanta, for exactly the opposite reasons, the skid row is blighting a large part of a small downtown and quality urban districts are very scarce.

fflint

Oct 13, 2013, 2:55 AM

Okay, guys, let's get this thread back on topic.

JG573

Oct 13, 2013, 3:03 AM

viewguysf

Oct 13, 2013, 7:17 AM

Looking like a ghost building that is strangely out of place...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5330/10240517895_fc33c914ba_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/10240517895/)
Stripped 100 Van Ness (http://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/10240517895/) by viewguysf (http://www.flickr.com/people/viewguysf/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3773/10240683826_f27a542d75_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/10240683826/)
SE bottom side of 100 Van Ness (http://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/10240683826/) by viewguysf (http://www.flickr.com/people/viewguysf/), on Flickr

coyotetrickster

Oct 13, 2013, 6:17 PM

Prop B is sponsored by Open Up the Waterfront. Prop C. is supported by the same group and many of the same people. Don't know exactly who or what group sponsors that one though.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Scare-tactics-rule-in-debate-over-8-Washington-4889257.php

This is an excellent column about the wealthy couple who's views will be blocked by the development. Prop C has nothing to do with a Wall on the Waterfront. 8 Washington went through all the appropriate approvals, including the board of supervisors.
City Planning should not be done by ballot box. Voting yes on C will allow the project to proceed. Vote yes on C and B.