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gillynova
Feb 26, 2019, 11:14 PM
reality:

http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/bernal-view-north.jpg
http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/bernal-view-north.jpg

Lmfao, nice find! :cheers:

wanderer34
Feb 26, 2019, 11:42 PM
There is no BRT on Geary . . . yet . . . nor on Mission. I know of no plans to put BRT on Mission and doubt the width of the street would permit it. There ARE plans to do on Geary something similar to what's being done now on Van Ness but in the future after all the objections of Geary merchants about loss of parking etc are overcome.

Here are some renderings of the finished Van Ness project:

https://hoodwork-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/story/image/37813/van_ness_brt_rendering.jpg

https://media.ktvu.com/media.ktvu.com/photo/2016/12/30/brt_1483076369921_2479848_ver1.0_640_360.PNG

https://d5seccn5wsvj9.cloudfront.net/images/22736/original803aaa5b62e00bb4b0f0d1a953322e50.jpg
https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=Van+Ness+BRT+images&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=safari&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivjrvNqNbgAhWaJTQIHTewCvcQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1324&bih=917#imgrc=d6skCX_gl6a65M:

BART, of course, is something totally different. BART is wide-guage underground/elevated rail. The Van Ness and ultimately Geary BRT projects are not underground and not rail.

The Van Ness BRT is very similar to the Market St BRT, except there's no streetcars running along Van Ness. I still feel Van Ness has the potential to have a BART subway running underneath it in the near future, along with Lombard St west or Van Ness, and hopefully into San Rafael in Marin County.

I hope BART could develop a four-track subway underneath Lombard, Van Ness, and 7th St into Mission Bay once BART completes the second tunnel underneath the bay (highly needed right now), especially since President Trump is on the verge of taking the money reserved for the high speed line between SF and LA. And I hope Pelosi, Feinstein, Harris, and the rest of the Bay Area delegation can make the second BART tunnel a huge priority!!!

wanderer34
Feb 26, 2019, 11:50 PM
^^ Wrong thread?

Also, not sure if you guys saw Pixar's new animated short film but here is what they showed San Francisco's skyline to be

https://i.imgur.com/4y4U7Dqh.png

Pixar's new short: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZS5cgybKcI

It seems that the SF skyline is extended from downtown through North Beach/Fishermans Wharf and the Marina District. Just not sure if the current residents would allow suck tall towers over there, but who knows, in 20-30 years, that might change!

Pedestrian
Feb 27, 2019, 6:45 AM
The Van Ness BRT is very similar to the Market St BRT, except there's no streetcars running along Van Ness. I still feel Van Ness has the potential to have a BART subway running underneath it in the near future, along with Lombard St west or Van Ness, and hopefully into San Rafael in Marin County.

There is no BRT on Market St. Where are you getting these ideas? What there is on Market St. is a streetcar system that does not have dedicated lanes where cars are not permitted as the Van Ness BRT will. BRT, of course, is busses, not rail vehicles like a streetcar. The Market St. streetcars do run in the center lanes of the street but cars are allowed in the same lanes.

I hope BART could develop a four-track subway underneath Lombard, Van Ness, and 7th St into Mission Bay once BART completes the second tunnel underneath the bay (highly needed right now), especially since President Trump is on the verge of taking the money reserved for the high speed line between SF and LA. And I hope Pelosi, Feinstein, Harris, and the rest of the Bay Area delegation can make the second BART tunnel a huge priority!!!

You are talking about something that might happen decades from now (but probably won't). There are no current plans to build new BART lines in San Francisco. What HAS been proposed and could happen in a closer time frame is to extend the Muni Central Subway line--which already goes to Mission Bay--from the terminus near the border of the Chinatown and North Beach neighborhoods it will have when it opens next year down Columbus Ave on the surface and from there ultimately to the Marina District through a tunnel under Ft. Mason.

https://i2.wp.com/sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/12/CentralSubwaFurtherWest.png?w=1050&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C445px
https://sf.streetsblog.org/2018/12/06/sfmta-plans-marina-subway-extension/

Note: Since I think you are from out of town and may not realize it, Muni--the San Francisco Municipal Railway--is NOT BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit).

Pedestrian
Feb 27, 2019, 6:54 AM
It seems that the SF skyline is extended from downtown through North Beach/Fishermans Wharf and the Marina District. Just not sure if the current residents would allow suck tall towers over there, but who knows, in 20-30 years, that might change!

No. Here is a recent photograph from Bernal Heights:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7830/46311245015_13c61b33a0_b.jpg
http://blog.junbelen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Bernal-37.jpg

The buildings you are referring to are, I believe, on Nob Hill and extending to "the Hub" (Market/Van Ness intersection area).

gillynova
Feb 27, 2019, 5:53 PM
^^ Ah, I see where Pixar got their inspiration from.

I wonder how different it will look once The Hub is done

AndrewK
Feb 27, 2019, 7:53 PM
It seems that the SF skyline is extended from downtown through North Beach/Fishermans Wharf and the Marina District. Just not sure if the current residents would allow suck tall towers over there, but who knows, in 20-30 years, that might change!

There are tons of residential towers on Russian Hill and in Cow Hollow, but they are all 50+ years old.

pseudolus
Feb 27, 2019, 11:51 PM
There are tons of residential towers on Russian Hill and in Cow Hollow, but they are all 50+ years old.


Before he was Reagan's Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger was Russian Hill's first NIMBY.

http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Height_Limit_Revolt_Saves_Waterfront_Vistas

SLO
Feb 28, 2019, 12:07 AM
No. Here is a recent photograph from Bernal Heights:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7830/46311245015_13c61b33a0_b.jpg
http://blog.junbelen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Bernal-37.jpg

The buildings you are referring to are, I believe, on Nob Hill and extending to "the Hub" (Market/Van Ness intersection area).



Neither of those pictures are that recent, its missing Salesforce and all the new towers next to Rincon hill. I would be more similar with Salesforce in the pic...

Pedestrian
Mar 2, 2019, 12:00 AM
Neither of those pictures are that recent, its missing Salesforce and all the new towers next to Rincon hill. I would be more similar with Salesforce in the pic...

Which makes the point even stronger that no development in North Beach or the Marina is needed to match the cartoon version of the skyline.

Pedestrian
Mar 2, 2019, 12:07 AM
Sexy Time Redevelopment Closer to Reality
March 1, 2019

. . . plans to redevelop the (shuttered Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality building at 1523 Franklin Street) are moving forward.

And as newly rendered by RG-Architecture for JS Sullivan Development below, a setback six-story addition to the building’s shell, which would be renovated, could now rise up to 84 feet in height upon the parcel, with seven full-floor condos (six three-bedrooms and one four) over a 650 square foot café space fronting Franklin Street and a basement garage for six stacked cars, assuming a variance from having to provide a rear yard, as mandated by San Francisco’s Planning Code, is approved next week.”

. . . the development has been formally challenged by a neighbor on Austin Street, including concerns that “dirt, debris, noise, dust, parking and vermin impacts due to, and during construction” will render his adjacent home uninhabitable for a couple of years.

. . . but the City’s Planning Department . . . notes that “construction ramifications are…outside the purview of the Planning Department, but typical to all construction in the City,”(and likely) the project will be approved as proposed.

(now)
http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1523-Franklin-Street-Site-2018.jpg

(proposed)
http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1523-Franklin-Street-Rendering-2018.jpg

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/1523-Franklin-Street-Rendering-2018-South-Facade.jpg

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2019/03/sexy-time-development-closer-to-reality.html

CaliNative
Mar 2, 2019, 10:32 PM
No. Here is a recent photograph from Bernal Heights:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7830/46311245015_13c61b33a0_b.jpg
http://blog.junbelen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Bernal-37.jpg

The buildings you are referring to are, I believe, on Nob Hill and extending to "the Hub" (Market/Van Ness intersection area).

Russian Hill has a few residential towers too...but they stopped building them in the 1960s. Why? Was there a zoning change, or was it just "NIMBYs"? Activity on Nob Hill also seems to have stopped about then also. Seems like the wealthy areas don't want anything taller than 100 feet. And the (relatively) poorer and working class areas like Mission and Hunters Point fear "gentrification" so they don't want tall buildings either. This leaves just a few areas like Soma & Rincon & Ballpark/China Basin, along with downtown & Civic Center north of Market where tall buildings can be built. But maybe dense clusters are better rather than scattered high rises anyway.

However, the advantage of putting high rises on the hills is that bedrock is right at or close to the surface, so foundations are generally much cheaper & shallower & can be done faster since bedrock is right there. So maybe Nob Hill & Russian Hill at least should allow more. Maybe somebody can explain why they stopped building them on the hills in the '60s. I suspect it was NIMBYs.

SFBuildings888
Mar 2, 2019, 11:33 PM
Russian Hill has a few residential towers too...but they stopped building them in the 1960s. Why? Was there a zoning change, or was it just "NIMBYs"? Activity on Nob Hill also seems to have stopped about then also. Seems like the wealthy areas don't want anything taller than 100 feet. And the (relatively) poorer and working class areas like Mission and Hunters Point fear "gentrification" so they don't want tall buildings either. This leaves just a few areas like Soma & Rincon & Ballpark/China Basin, along with downtown & Civic Center north of Market where tall buildings can be built. But maybe dense clusters are better rather than scattered high rises anyway.

However, the advantage of putting high rises on the hills is that bedrock is right at or close to the surface, so foundations are generally much cheaper & shallower & can be done faster since bedrock is right there. So maybe Nob Hill & Russian Hill at least should allow more. Maybe somebody can explain why they stopped building them on the hills in the '60s. I suspect it was NIMBYs.

It might be cause it blocks certain views and/or it is earthquake country, so building high rises on the hills just doesn’t make a lot of sense anymore.

Pedestrian
Mar 3, 2019, 1:23 AM
It might be cause it blocks certain views and/or it is earthquake country, so building high rises on the hills just doesn’t make a lot of sense anymore.

As a matter of fact, this statement is 180 degrees contrary to San Francisco Planning Dept. policy. Their stated policy it to put the tallest structures on the hills when possible so as to emphasize the terrain features rather than obscure them by having tall buildings in the valleys and short ones on the hilltops leading to an overall "table top effect".

The latest example of putting this into effect is One Rincon Hill, the tallest building in the Rincon/Folsom area which sits at the crest of the hill.

pseudolus
Mar 3, 2019, 2:06 AM
I guess everyone has me on ignore, since the link I posted above explains it all.

http://www.foundsf.org/images/b/b5/SF-skyline-1958-and-1970-from-full-page-ad-for-highrise-revolt_without_caption.jpg

viewguysf
Mar 3, 2019, 5:15 AM
Before he was Reagan's Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger was Russian Hill's first NIMBY.

http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Height_Limit_Revolt_Saves_Waterfront_Vistas

I missed your original posting of this link, but it’s a good one. The Fontana Towers are an ugly blot on the City that should never have happened.

MyCitySFO
Mar 3, 2019, 2:30 PM
When you get down to the real reason certain NIMBYs oppose skyscrapers, is it always boils down to ruining THEIR beloved view. "San Francisco was once light, hilly, pastel, open. Inviting." Bullshit.. It still is but with a killer skyline ! New York City hasn't disappeared.....ask a New York taxpayer if their city is less great because their skyscrapers are an economic disaster. Or Chicago or Toronto or .......

viewguysf
Mar 3, 2019, 5:05 PM
⬆️ That is true, yet I also believe San Francisco is a better city and showcases its unique setting by not having highrises along the northern and northeastern waterfronts.

As Pedestrian pointed out, there are reasons why tall buildings are better on the hills in certain neighborhoods. Since Telegraph Hill is not (and should not be) an option, that leaves Russian Hill and Nob Hill, yet you won’t find many suitable or possible places on either of them. Be happy with Chinatown, North Beach, Telegraph Hill, Fisherman’s Wharf, Fort Mason, the Marina, Marina Green, etc., the way they are. People come from around the world to see and enjoy them, just as we who live here do.

The City has spread tall and very tall buildings into new and growing areas, while keeping them out of others. I have found much excitement with that and what is to come.

fimiak
Mar 3, 2019, 5:35 PM
I honestly believe with the right level of density there could be 50,000 homes built in the Central Waterfront/India Basin/Hunters Point/Candlestick areas.

The traditional Telegraph Hill San Francisco doesn't really need to be touched at all. There are more access points to the areas I mentioned than the neighborhoods north of Downtown.

HarshLiving
Mar 3, 2019, 5:43 PM
I honestly believe with the right level of density there could be 50,000 homes built in the Central Waterfront/India Basin/Hunters Point/Candlestick areas.

The traditional Telegraph Hill San Francisco doesn't really need to be touched at all. There are more access points to the areas I mentioned than the neighborhoods north of Downtown.

Doesn't that just increase gentrification and continue to burden the communities of the mission and Bayview HP. I believe housing should be built all over, rather than concentrated to select areas.

fimiak
Mar 3, 2019, 6:33 PM
Doesn't that just increase gentrification and continue to burden the communities of the mission and Bayview HP. I believe housing should be built all over, rather than concentrated to select areas.

Certainly it should be built all over, but just that area can fit at least 50,000 new units, which is approximately 10 years of time of the city's population growth. Most of the units that are already planned for these areas are affordable.

viewguysf
Mar 3, 2019, 6:54 PM
I agree with you fimiak. The Sunset and western side side of the City south of Golden Gate Park also have infill opportunities without causing displacement, but the southeastern sector is where a higher level of development will and can occur.

Pedestrian
Mar 3, 2019, 7:26 PM
I honestly believe with the right level of density there could be 50,000 homes built in the Central Waterfront/India Basin/Hunters Point/Candlestick areas.

The traditional Telegraph Hill San Francisco doesn't really need to be touched at all. There are more access points to the areas I mentioned than the neighborhoods north of Downtown.

I agree. Easing height and other restrictions along 3rd St., Geary Blvd and in The Hub could produce all the homes San Franciscans would need for a long time.

CaliNative
Mar 3, 2019, 10:38 PM
I honestly believe with the right level of density there could be 50,000 homes built in the Central Waterfront/India Basin/Hunters Point/Candlestick areas.

The traditional Telegraph Hill San Francisco doesn't really need to be touched at all. There are more access points to the areas I mentioned than the neighborhoods north of Downtown.

Agree. SF has plenty of land in the old industrial districts south of Market and along the eastern docklands. Less opposition to residential high rises in these industrial areas. By adding some affordables, can keep the anti-gentrification people at bay. No need to touch the picturesque historic districts on the north, central and west sides, like Telegraph Hill, Marina, Pacific Heights, core Chinatown, North Beach etc. Leave all the old Vics alone. SF could probably accommodate well over 1 million (eventually 1.5 million?) people with development of the old industrial areas in the south and east with 10-30 story apartment/condo towers. The true skyscrapers over 500 feet (and some supertalls) could be confined to the historic downtown and SoMa-Rincon, with maybe some allowed on Nob and Russian Hills if NIMBYs can be defeated. And there is Treasure Island out there. String a gondola and build some highrises.

pseudolus
Mar 3, 2019, 11:46 PM
a few years ago, I made this heat map of the housing pipeline:

https://i.imgur.com/67Fiyw5.jpg

viewguysf
Mar 4, 2019, 3:05 AM
I agree. Easing height and other restrictions along 3rd St., Geary Blvd and in The Hub could produce all the homes San Franciscans would need for a long time.

I’ve long thought that the area around Geary and Webster to the south could support some tall residential towers.

mt_climber13
Mar 4, 2019, 7:26 AM
I guess everyone has me on ignore, since the link I posted above explains it all.

http://www.foundsf.org/images/b/b5/SF-skyline-1958-and-1970-from-full-page-ad-for-highrise-revolt_without_caption.jpg

This photo reminds me how much I love BofA tower

Pedestrian
Mar 4, 2019, 7:29 AM
I’ve long thought that the area around Geary and Webster to the south could support some tall residential towers.

True, but you don't even need to do towers. My vision of Geary is more in line with the Bronx's Grand Concourse:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7894/46552800314_dbf4492e12_b.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Concourse_(Bronx)#/media/File:1650_Grand_Concourse.jpg

It could be like this (height/density-wise) all the way to the sea.

homebucket
Mar 4, 2019, 4:20 PM
My vision for Golden Gate Park:

https://media.timeout.com/images/103257144/750/422/image.jpg

https://c.stocksy.com/a/F1C000/z9/46205.jpg?1549639020

gillynova
Mar 4, 2019, 5:39 PM
I'm pretty sure we're going to stick with the victorian houses lol

Pedestrian
Mar 4, 2019, 6:11 PM
My vision for Golden Gate Park


I'm being entirely serious and I'm not sure you are. I think 6-10 story apartment buildings with ground floor retail lining Geary Blvd and Third St. is entirely practical and more than sufficient, along with towers in the Hub, possibly at Geary/Webster and central SOMA, to meet SF's housing needs. That would leave the traditional Victorian neighborhoods and even the single family neighborhoods like the Richmond other than directly on Geary (including Fulton along the Park), undisturbed as I think most San Franciscans want them.

viewguysf
Mar 4, 2019, 6:57 PM
I think you are correct Pedestrian/BT. San Francisco will never be NYC, Vancouver, or any other city, nor should we be. Although I’ve had continuous ties with SF since first living here in 1972 (this is my third time living here), I’ve also lived in Chicago, LA, Seattle, Denver, and other cities and areas. I encourage those who want a mega or other city scene to try it because it’s an enriching life experience you most likely will enjoy and not regret.

SFBuildings888
Mar 4, 2019, 7:37 PM
I think SF already has the 3rd best central business district in America with downtown, SOMA, Civic Center and etc as a city. It is just outside those areas that I wish there were more high rise buildings built. Mainly around Golden Gate Park. That would be great.

iamfishhead
Mar 5, 2019, 6:42 AM
I'm being entirely serious and I'm not sure you are. I think 6-10 story apartment buildings with ground floor retail lining Geary Blvd and Third St. is entirely practical and more than sufficient, along with towers in the Hub, possibly at Geary/Webster and central SOMA, to meet SF's housing needs. That would leave the traditional Victorian neighborhoods and even the single family neighborhoods like the Richmond other than directly on Geary (including Fulton along the Park), undisturbed as I think most San Franciscans want them.

Yeah, I think most people underestimate how dense you can get without high rises. I know this is sacrilege on this forum. ;)

Seriously though, Paris is quite dense and it is mostly 5-6 story buildings. I saw a good piece on San Francisco in particular that showed you can easily hit 100K people per square mile by allowing block after block of 8 story buildings that aren't too different than what is already permitted for areas with that height allowance.

CaliNative
Mar 5, 2019, 10:42 AM
Yeah, I think most people underestimate how dense you can get without high rises. I know this is sacrilege on this forum. ;)

Seriously though, Paris is quite dense and it is mostly 5-6 story buildings. I saw a good piece on San Francisco in particular that showed you can easily hit 100K people per square mile by allowing block after block of 8 story buildings that aren't too different than what is already permitted for areas with that height allowance.

"Can easily hit 100K/sq. mile by allowing block after block of 8 story buildings"

Let's do the math...100K/sq. mile x 49 sq. miles = 4,900,000. BIGGER THAN L.A.!!! No need to line Golden Gate Park or Alamo Square with 40 story towers. Can get plenty of density with 4-10 storys outside of the downtown area like Pedestrian says and still preserve many of the the old neighborhoods with the victorians that the locals and tourists cherish. Paris is an excellent model, of dense 5-10 story housing and a few skyscraper districts. London too.

Pedestrian
Mar 5, 2019, 8:16 PM
Developer proposes nearly 600 homes in $400 million project near massive Parkmerced
By Fiona Kelliher – Real estate reporter, San Francisco Business Times
Mar 4, 2019, 4:40pm EST

A shopping center in Parkmerced could be razed for nearly 600 units of senior housing.

Landowner John Jweinat and Costa Brown Architecture submitted a preliminary proposal to build 576 units across three 17-story apartment buildings at 33-85 Cambon Dr. The ground floor would host about 80,000 square feet of retail.

The parcel — now home to a grocery store, a bank and other businesses — hugs the edge of the Parkmerced area where Maximus Real Estate Partners plans to build out 5,679 new apartments and condos. This separate project, though, aims to capture what they view as an underserved population in the Bay Area housing market . . . .

Details of the proposal, including how many units would be assisted-living or independent living, and its mix between affordable and market-rate units, will be worked out as the team receives feedback from the city. Jweinart and Costa Brown are in discussions with potential senior living and medical service providers, as well as contractors. Facilities will also include a 50,000-square-foot medical center onsite and potentially other amenities like a raised terrace where seniors can gather.

Depending on what's included, Jweinat estimated the development cost will hit about $400 million of private funding . . . .

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/47292186861_007aed3903_b.jpg

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2019/03/04/parkmerced-maximus-seniors-new-housing-shopping.html?ana=e_mc_prem&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTlRNNU5qTmlOemxpT1RCaSIsInQiOiJ2aThmNVZ4S1UxZVwvT1ZJZTVURmxGTk52d3lwQTZnYjFLU0NZaFN4MXdYUENsRGE1WFRxeUgrNHZOQSt3YysyXC9qOVVVd0FtcmN4V25mMnJUQXFWbzZYRkJCYlVBT0JaM0lFSHpOTkc4RjEzQXUwWENVZlJlbnFqM1hKWXU5UjdQIn0%3D

Busy Bee
Mar 5, 2019, 10:10 PM
^^^Nice...

On the website of the same architecture firm is this development in Daly City (https://costa-brown.com/projects/239-serramonte-boulevard/). Not sure if it's been posted yet.

gillynova
Mar 5, 2019, 10:43 PM
^^ Thanks both for posting both of the new developments!

Busy Bee, you should post that in the Bay Area thread. I would love to see more of these projects outside of SF, SJ and Oak.

SFBuildings888
Mar 6, 2019, 8:53 AM
"Can easily hit 100K/sq. mile by allowing block after block of 8 story buildings"

Let's do the math...100K/sq. mile x 49 sq. miles = 4,900,000. BIGGER THAN L.A.!!! No need to line Golden Gate Park or Alamo Square with 40 story towers. Can get plenty of density with 4-10 storys outside of the downtown area like Pedestrian says and still preserve many of the the old neighborhoods with the victorians that the locals and tourists cherish. Paris is an excellent model, of dense 5-10 story housing and a few skyscraper districts. London too.

I read that SF actually has 46 some square miles not 49. They just rounded up to 7x7 to make it 49. BTW, there is no way that SF can make it to 100k/sq mile. With all the hills and it being surrounded by water, it just can’t happen. I could be wrong. I think 25k to 30k per square mile is the densiest it can get.

fimiak
Mar 6, 2019, 6:03 PM
I read that SF actually has 46 some square miles not 49. They just rounded up to 7x7 to make it 49. BTW, there is no way that SF can make it to 100k/sq mile. With all the hills and it being surrounded by water, it just can’t happen. I could be wrong. I think 25k to 30k per square mile is the densiest it can get.

I am pretty sure they were being facetious with that number. The goal that SF should have for the time being is really just to follow the US national population target. Pew Research says the US pop. was 282 million in 2000, and should be 438 million in 2050. This is a 55% increase over half a century.

San Francisco had 777,340 population in 2000. A ~55% increase thus creates our 2050 minimum goal, 1,207,358, an increase of 430,000. With a pop. of 866,320 in 2015 SF is growing, but will not hit that goal at current growth. In 2015 we were 30% of the way to 2050, but we only achieved 21% of the overall 2050 pop. goal (~90,000 pop. growth 2000-2015). SF still has to find room for 340,000 people over the next 30-35 years.

All this is to simply maintain the relative proportion of SF pop. to US pop. Of course there is nothing limiting SF to these numbers, and it does not take into effect immigration's impact on SF in particular vs the nation-at-large, legal or not.

SFBuildings888
Mar 7, 2019, 12:16 AM
I am pretty sure they were being facetious with that number. The goal that SF should have for the time being is really just to follow the US national population target. Pew Research says the US pop. was 282 million in 2000, and should be 438 million in 2050. This is a 55% increase over half a century.

San Francisco had 777,340 population in 2000. A ~55% increase thus creates our 2050 minimum goal, 1,207,358, an increase of 430,000. With a pop. of 866,320 in 2015 SF is growing, but will not hit that goal at current growth. In 2015 we were 30% of the way to 2050, but we only achieved 21% of the overall 2050 pop. goal (~90,000 pop. growth 2000-2015). SF still has to find room for 340,000 people over the next 30-35 years.

All this is to simply maintain the relative proportion of SF pop. to US pop. Of course there is nothing limiting SF to these numbers, and it does not take into effect immigration's impact on SF in particular vs the nation-at-large, legal or not.

It would be over a million by now if it had a much bigger land area. Say they combined South San Francisco with Brisbane and Daly City with the current city, it would be over a million. I’m just saying I wish that would have happened,

gillynova
Mar 7, 2019, 1:44 AM
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7925/46553246474_87734cf9cd_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dVKyhA)Howard Street, San Francisco_2 (https://flic.kr/p/2dVKyhA) by Sergio Ruiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirgious/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7876/40311928853_90fb14da06_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24qeb16)Howard Street, San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/24qeb16) by Sergio Ruiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirgious/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7919/46553246304_836da3fa7c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dVKyeE)Yerba Buena Gardens, San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/2dVKyeE) by Sergio Ruiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirgious/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7852/32334504027_1b4097a6cd_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RghMwK)Market Street, San Francisco (https://flic.kr/p/RghMwK) by Sergio Ruiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirgious/), on Flickr

bloobityblurp
Mar 12, 2019, 10:23 PM
Mall plan dead at SF’s Candlestick Point, former home of Giants and 49ers (https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Mall-plan-dead-at-SF-s-Candlestick-Point-13683207.php)

Plans to build a large mall at the former home of the San Francisco Giants and 49ers are dead.

Developer FivePoint Holdings scrapped a 635,000-square-foot mall at Candlestick Point that would have been one of the largest in San Francisco, according to a Securities and Exchange filing in February.

FivePoint plans instead to build 750,000 square feet of office and research space at the site, which require new city approvals.

An additional 7,200 housing units, a 200-room hotel and 300,000 square feet of commercial space are approved for the 280-acre site.

Busy Bee
Mar 12, 2019, 11:07 PM
^So whats the takeaway for local forumers. Is this good or bad? It certainly takes some of the potential liveliness that the retail would have brought away.

viewguysf
Mar 13, 2019, 12:23 AM
^So whats the takeaway for local forumers. Is this good or bad? It certainly takes some of the potential liveliness that the retail would have brought away.

I think it's good since retail is shrinking and failing almost everywhere while office and research space are still in demand. The vision of a lively mall may well have actually looked like 6x6 on Market Street that is a beautiful failure.

theskythelimit
Mar 13, 2019, 3:59 AM
^So whats the takeaway for local forumers. Is this good or bad? It certainly takes some of the potential liveliness that the retail would have brought away.

This is a good thing. With retail failing across the Country, I could imagine lots of empty stores at this development. As long as they have a few restaurants and a couple of convenience stores, ie Amazon Go, it will go better.

Unfortunately, public transit still is very deficient in this area and I don’t no how many people will want to commute in their cars/Uber to this site.

BobbyMucho
Mar 13, 2019, 4:13 PM
I was happy to see both 1990 Folsom (https://www.lmsarch.com/projects/1990-folsom) and 2060 Folsom (http://www.ya-studio.com/selected-projectss/2060-folsom/) are finishing demo and starting excavation, respectively, as I rode by yesterday.

https://www.lmsarch.com/sites/default/files/project/FOL_02_0.jpg (https://www.lmsarch.com/projects/1990-folsom)
1990 Folsom replacing some defunct warehouses and hopefully adding some life to 16th. I believe this is also where Galería de la Raza is moving once complete.

http://www.ya-studio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/120222_dr_render_1.jpg (http://www.ya-studio.com/selected-projectss/2060-folsom/)
2060 Folsom (aka Casa Adelante) is adjacent to the newish park at 17th and Folsom.

Both BMR projects.

p.s. Apologies for the image sizes. I'm using the image size syntax but it's not downsizing for some reason (e.g. [img=100x50]).

Pedestrian
Mar 13, 2019, 5:06 PM
Mall plan dead at SF’s Candlestick Point, former home of Giants and 49ers (https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Mall-plan-dead-at-SF-s-Candlestick-Point-13683207.php)

If this was to be an outlet mall I have somewhat mixed feelings. The location would have been problematic for me--too out of the way. But that's where they put outlet malls--in exurban areas or out-of-the-way spots where land is relatively cheap because they have low margins and can't afford downtown locations.

IMHO San Francisco needs more off-price shopping. Not everybody has access to online shopping and some people prefer not to buy clothing online--and some can't afford Hayes Valley or Marina boutiques (or just don't like paying those prices). In most parts of the country, outlet malls do better than other malls because of the "bargain hunting" factor. In San Francisco they used to put off-price retailing in SOMA but now even SOMA is getting too expensive so this might have been a decent location for it even if it would have been too out of the way for me to venture there.

timbad
Mar 14, 2019, 7:37 AM
couple shots of evolving Folsom St

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/46450571255_920830a3c2_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7913/46451087865_69bbc37828_b.jpg

and speaking of Folsom, I was pleasantly surprised to see that the little area in front of the northern terminus of PG&E's power transmission line (across from Avery), which was to be a public plaza but had sat stalled for the last maybe two years, had progressed again. the stone looks to me like it has a different treatment to it than when it was first being installed, smoother and with a slight olive tinge, tho that may have just been the lighting. (now I'll have to check the southern end in Dogpatch, which was also supposed to have something, but didn't, last time I looked.)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/46450569055_53ac84e8e1_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7910/46450569285_511e9c3e11_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7872/46450589795_8f1cfb139d_b.jpg

more Second St, bike lane waiting for green paint...

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7883/46451088965_e6394fa928_b.jpg

and the alleyway leading off Second toward the Transit Center

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7866/33489862648_d95d7205dd_b.jpg

looking back the other way toward SFMOMA

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7831/46451079745_2d1fb7b0fb_b.jpg

Moscone in a quieter mood

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7870/33489852688_98aec100bc_b.jpg

viewguysf
Mar 15, 2019, 4:14 AM
San Francisco State University's P3 student housing project, now 584 total beds, will be operated by University Housing. This was formerly Block 6 of Parcmerced, one of the six Parcmerced blocks that were purchased by SF State around 15 years ago. http://pudco.com/portfolio-items/holloway-avenue-student-housing-san-francisco-state-university-san-francisco/

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/46659866344_5b89826d96_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e6b1Ed)San Francisco State University (https://flic.kr/p/2e6b1Ed) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/), on Flickr

gillynova
Mar 15, 2019, 4:18 PM
That's a nice looking rendering. I haven't been on SFSU's campus in awhile!

viewguysf
Mar 16, 2019, 2:33 AM
The newer large wall mounted rendering I’ve seen is even nicer.

timbad
Mar 20, 2019, 10:58 AM
J.K. Dineen not so enthusiastic (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Turns-out-SF-s-big-new-hospital-on-Van-Ness-13698405.php?t=dc439a129b) about Van Ness

Pedestrian
Mar 20, 2019, 5:11 PM
^^I wasn't around to see it but reportedly the City ruined Mid-Market St. with the construction of the subway under it. What had been a thriving business and entertainment district went away due to lack of business during the long period of construction. Now the same thing is happening on Van Ness. There is no parking and walking up/down the street is not pleasant due to the construction that seems to drag on and on and on. It's actually worse than Mr. King described: Some other businesses have closed. I'm away for the winter but I believe Mel's has gone or is going. Tesla was going to close its physical locations but now is keeping some so I don't know the fate of the one on Van Ness.

The City needs to assign a project manager with talent to the BRT construction and get on the contractor to speed up. Otherwise it will have created a massive chunk of blight in the heart of the City.

mt_climber13
Mar 20, 2019, 6:31 PM
I was in SF for the winter and took an Uber down Van Mess, I couldn't believe the complete destruction of what I saw. And the driver said it had been like that for years. It was completely hideous and has screwed up the traffic as well as the sidewalks. Maybe I'm reminiscing and it's clouding my judgment but when I lived in SF in the early 2000s I don't remember so much of the streets and sidewalks being torn up and surrounded by orange barricades.

Pedestrian
Mar 21, 2019, 12:04 AM
I was in SF for the winter and took an Uber down Van Mess, I couldn't believe the complete destruction of what I saw. And the driver said it had been like that for years. It was completely hideous and has screwed up the traffic as well as the sidewalks. Maybe I'm reminiscing and it's clouding my judgment but when I lived in SF in the early 2000s I don't remember so much of the streets and sidewalks being torn up and surrounded by orange barricades.

Aside from the BRT projects on Van Ness and, soon, Geary, and the Central Subway which is finally wrapping up after years of making a mess of the Union Square area, in 2011 San Francisco passed a $248 million street repair/repaving bond measure. All this is work that needed doing and will ultimately benefit the city, but it has been h*ll while they've been doing the work.

Pedestrian
Mar 21, 2019, 12:21 AM
I guess the Salesforce Tower thread has been locked and archived so I'll post these photos of the Ohana Room, the tour of which is reportedly soon to be expanded, here:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7836/32489053897_d28a099ae7_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7810/40465118003_a8f6e4ec50_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7852/32489054037_cea0394d53_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7813/47378052592_031579070d_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7853/40465118013_845b6115c8_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/32489054077_9646b0597c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7878/32489054197_fe41a32862_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7867/32489054167_1494434b19_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/40465118063_1efd3a40b9_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7834/47378052632_6d14c6a393_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7921/32489054307_b34848047a_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7922/47378052672_c51bf3af18_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7914/47378052702_e58249434d_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7873/47378052732_c421ab10cf_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7909/32489054527_c421ab10cf_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7828/40465118203_631a7e9587_b.jpg
All photos: https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2019/03/19/salesforce-tower-doubles-size-public-tours-ohana.html#g/442265/1

If you could pay attention to business while seated at that conference table, you probably don't belong on this site. ;)

AndrewK
Mar 21, 2019, 4:38 AM
Some other businesses have closed. I'm away for the winter but I believe Mel's has gone or is going. Tesla was going to close its physical locations but now is keeping some so I don't know the fate of the one on Van Ness.

Mel’s Diner was remodeled and reopened as Mel’s Kitchen. More upscale with a full bar. Though a few other businesses have closed.

AndrewK
Mar 21, 2019, 5:00 AM
I was in SF for the winter and took an Uber down Van Mess, I couldn't believe the complete destruction of what I saw. And the driver said it had been like that for years. It was completely hideous and has screwed up the traffic as well as the sidewalks. Maybe I'm reminiscing and it's clouding my judgment but when I lived in SF in the early 2000s I don't remember so much of the streets and sidewalks being torn up and surrounded by orange barricades.

The Van Ness BRT project started about two years ago. Before doing work on the actual BRT the city decided to replace the hundred year old sewer system that runs under the street. It’s a pretty major infrastructure project, which unfortunately has seen some pretty significant delays. They were supposed to finish this year but are only about half way through.

Pedestrian
Mar 21, 2019, 7:28 PM
Pinterest inks huge lease in SoMa at proposed 1 million-square-foot office campus
By Fiona Kelliher – Real estate reporter, San Francisco Business Times
Mar 20, 2019, 10:12am PDT Updated a day ago

Social media website Pinterest Inc. has signed a 490,000-square-foot lease in a proposed office complex in Central SoMa as the company's potential IPO edges closer.

The deal is the biggest commercial lease so far this year, and the biggest in San Francisco since Facebook signed a 755,900-square-foot lease in May for the entirety of Park Tower. It's the second time in recent months that a major tech company has signed a lease for a building that is not yet approved. Salesforce in November pre-leased 325,000 square feet at 550 Howard St., which is slated to be the last major skyscraper to rise in the Transbay district. The leases show that tech companies are so hungry for space that they are willing to do deals well ahead of construction starting on a project.

Developers Alexandria Real Estate Equities, Inc. (NYSE: ARE) and TMG Partners are developing 88 Bluxome St., which will include about 1 million square feet of office space when it's completed.

With this lease signed, Pinterest will serve as the campus' anchor tenant . . . .
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2019/03/20/pinterest-inks-huge-lease-in-soma-at-proposed-1.html?ana=e_n_set1&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTURFelpqUmhORE0xTUdRdyIsInQiOiJFdWhzM0FLTTJ0bkxcL1pwVVVzTllcLzAxdDhDVEVPdEJocXhEeW9GbG9ySmU4cjRqeEJrc05qeXF6cW9ON3dXR1ZCYXFINTBFQjdHTGdZMlVZMndvK0xOSjVIcUh3b05NREhBODJNZThJN2p5YnJXT0Y4bkh4dmpHZU9EeXJQU29NIn0%3D

I have given the project a thread at: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=8514111#post8514111

timbad
Mar 23, 2019, 5:22 PM
in Showplace Square, 1 De Haro...

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/46524754005_21d750a2c6_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7891/46524755005_c060c42c2a_b.jpg

... and the CCA housing site

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7817/46524752705_50808dbee4_b.jpg

NYC2ATX
Mar 23, 2019, 10:05 PM
Sort of on the subject of 1 De Haro...is "Showplace Square" a new neighborhood name? Trulia has this (https://www.trulia.com/n/ca/san-francisco/showplace-square/221238/) map, but otherwise there's very little online about it. Google is still calling it either the Design District or "Somisspo." That second one is pretty bad :haha: Can anyone expand on Showplace Square? I definitely like it better than Somisspo and there are "design districts" in 50 other places, so I hope it sticks. :tup:

pseudolus
Mar 23, 2019, 11:11 PM
Sort of on the subject of 1 De Haro...is "Showplace Square" a new neighborhood name? Trulia has this (https://www.trulia.com/n/ca/san-francisco/showplace-square/221238/) map, but otherwise there's very little online about it. Google is still calling it either the Design District or "Somisspo." That second one is pretty bad :haha: Can anyone expand on Showplace Square? I definitely like it better than Somisspo and there are "design districts" in 50 other places, so I hope it sticks. :tup:

I'm pretty sure the name "Showplace Square" goes back to at least the 1980s.

viewguysf
Mar 24, 2019, 1:19 AM
I'm pretty sure the name "Showplace Square" goes back to at least the 1980s.

I remember the name from the later 70s when going there numerous times with our interior designer roommate.

DIESELPOLO
Mar 26, 2019, 7:52 AM
The Van Ness BRT project started about two years ago. Before doing work on the actual BRT the city decided to replace the hundred year old sewer system that runs under the street. It’s a pretty major infrastructure project, which unfortunately has seen some pretty significant delays. They were supposed to finish this year but are only about half way through.

Good information. They should, like, tell us this though. Some infrastructure transparency would be nice, no? That SF public works instagram (https://www.instagram.com/sfpublicworks/?hl=en) could be more than pretty pictures.

AndrewK
Mar 27, 2019, 12:27 AM
Good information. They should, like, tell us this though. Some infrastructure transparency would be nice, no? That SF public works instagram (https://www.instagram.com/sfpublicworks/?hl=en) could be more than pretty pictures.

https://www.sfmta.com/projects/van-ness-improvement-project

Jerry of San Fran
Mar 27, 2019, 3:23 AM
A few days ago a concrete pour was done. Today I see a lot of work on the foundation.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/47476165331_0af5675d4e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fkiKUF)03-26-2019 200 Van Ness (https://flic.kr/p/2fkiKUF)

Pedestrian
Mar 27, 2019, 5:41 PM
Huge office and light industrial tower proposed near San Francisco Caltrain station (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=8520460#post8520460)

gillynova
Mar 27, 2019, 6:51 PM
^^ There goes more Giants parking for me.

This is the Wells Fargo lot, right?

homebucket
Mar 27, 2019, 7:12 PM
^^ There goes more Giants parking for me.

This is the Wells Fargo lot, right?

Yes, but remember, the less parking lots, the better! :cheers:

Pedestrian
Mar 27, 2019, 7:13 PM
^^ There goes more Giants parking for me.

This is the Wells Fargo lot, right?

Use the link. There's a picture of the site.

gillynova
Mar 27, 2019, 8:57 PM
Use the link. There's a picture of the site.

Just saw it and double checked on Google Maps. It indeed is

Overall, I'm pretty excited to how this area will be in the future. I've always thought this place was a bit sketchy whenever I walked on over to Oracle Park

homebucket
Mar 31, 2019, 6:35 AM
Since the 181 Fremont thread has been locked and archived...

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/40538149553_315a1d2c98_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7853/32561962227_d5fa5094b2_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/32561954867_04e0c62f6c_b.jpg

Pedestrian
Mar 31, 2019, 6:55 AM
Just saw it and double checked on Google Maps. It indeed is

Overall, I'm pretty excited to how this area will be in the future. I've always thought this place was a bit sketchy whenever I walked on over to Oracle Park

The only place east of Twin Peaks I find to be "sketchy" in daylight is Mid-Market. Never sensed any danger anywhere near Oracle Park or anywhere in SOMA (except the bit of 6th St near Market) for that matter. I don't even worry too much in the worst parts of the Tenderloin until the sun goes down.

viewguysf
Mar 31, 2019, 4:42 PM
The only place east of Twin Peaks I find to be "sketchy" in daylight is Mid-Market. Never sensed any danger anywhere near Oracle Park or anywhere in SOMA (except the bit of 6th St near Market) for that matter. I don't even worry too much in the worst parts of the Tenderloin until the sun goes down.

I agree with you Pedestrian.

gillynova
Mar 31, 2019, 6:53 PM
Views from my friends apartment:

https://i.imgur.com/jO1Zvr4h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8wWWsJSh.jpg

Pedestrian
Apr 1, 2019, 6:08 PM
Seriously?

Mayor Breed Appoints Calvin Welch to SF Planning Commission
Mayor London Breed has announced that longtime Haight-Ashbury neighborhood activist Calvin Welch will replace Rodney Fong on the San Francisco Planning Commission. Welch’s long history of slow growth has been well documented and fits right in line with the current process at the Planning Commission.

SF Housing Action Coalition Weekly Newsletter

This can't be an April Fool thing can it?

homebucket
Apr 2, 2019, 3:11 AM
More 181 Fremont, because why not? It's the standout of this current cycle, IMO.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/46795456634_cfd699d377_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7901/46795462214_1bc6f3481a_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7860/32576875677_84695b757b_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7817/47519369381_c679165f69_b.jpg

mt_climber13
Apr 2, 2019, 4:05 AM
Great pictures!

That gondola is horrible. Please Salesforce, kill it and open up that beautiful plaza!

Pedestrian
Apr 2, 2019, 5:09 PM
New Plans for Prominent Van Ness Corridor Site Closer to Reality
April 1, 2019

Plans to raze the former KRON TV building at 1001 Van Ness Avenue and develop a 14-story building, with 239 condos over 5,000 square feet of retail space fronting Van Ness, were approved two years ago but never broke ground.

(Instead) both demolition and building permits for the site have been requested . . . . (for) a residential care facility on the Cathedral Hill site, with 247 assisted living units for seniors over 8,200 square feet of ground floor retail space, the new plans for which are working their way through planning.

Oryx Partners has since revealed that they’re planning to partner with Atria Senior Living on the project . . . .

And if the revised plans are approved, the project team is positioning to break ground at 1001 Van Ness, “in about a year.”

. . . the refined plans for the development, which now include a formal entry plaza, a series of flats and the entrance to a 46-car garage along Myrtle Street, are slated to be approved by San Francisco’s Planning Commission on Thursday of this week.
https://socketsite.com/archives/2019/04/new-plans-for-prominent-van-ness-corridor-site-closer-to-reality.html

Time to give it a thread I think (with renderings): http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=238399

Dariusb
Apr 2, 2019, 9:40 PM
Views from my friends apartment:

https://i.imgur.com/jO1Zvr4h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8wWWsJSh.jpg

Beautiful shot!

KevinFromTexas
Apr 3, 2019, 1:55 PM
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2019/04/03/housing-transit-sf-sb-50-wiener.html

State bill pushing taller, denser housing passes first hurdle

By Ted Andersen – Digital Editor, San Francisco Business Times
4 minutes ago

A controversial state housing bill similar to one that failed last year passed through the Senate Housing Committee in Sacramento.

Senate Bill 50 is State Sen. Scott Wiener’s (D-San Francisco) second recent attempt at tackling California’s housing crisis by encouraging denser and taller buildings near transit and “job-rich areas.” Opponents, including seven members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, say it would lead to density in inappropriate places and accelerate gentrification.

The bill cleared its first hurdle on Tuesday with a 9-1 vote in the State Senate’s Housing Committee. It will now head for a hearing in the Senate Governance and Finance Committee in the coming weeks.

Busy Bee
Apr 3, 2019, 2:04 PM
^^^

Opponents, including seven members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, say it would lead to density in inappropriate places and accelerate gentrification.

I'm no expert, but it sounds like SF needs to get rid of these fuckos.

patriotizzy
Apr 3, 2019, 3:28 PM
Homebucket, 181 Fremont looks so fire. I keep dismissing this tower, just because it's in the middle of a bunch of boring glass structures. But damn, every angle has a unique look. So weird how the angles of the building make it look somewhat deformed, but looks so cool. Thanks for the pictures.

Pedestrian
Apr 3, 2019, 4:58 PM
^^^
I'm no expert, but it sounds like SF needs to get rid of these fuckos.

Are you referring to the SF Board of Supervisors? Many of us here would love to get rid of most of them but it's not happening. Our very "progressive" board enjoys considerable support city-wide and the development picture has just gotten worse with the appointment of long-time development opponent Calvin Welch to the Planning Commission.

The usual situation in CA is that crazy SF city policies have to be tempered at the state level and that's what we are hoping for from Wiener's bill. However, with a very liberal ex-SF Mayor as governor now, I have to wonder if he would sign Wiener's bill even should it pass.

timbad
Apr 4, 2019, 5:36 AM
before these get too stale, a couple Mid-Market projects...

950-974 Market (http://950-974market.com/project-2):

https://live.staticflickr.com/7821/47459486722_c5ddc00477_b.jpg

1066 Market (http://shorenstein.com/portfolio/investments/property?id=7182), as seen looking up Jones from Market

https://live.staticflickr.com/7819/46596917015_c60689073d_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7804/47512321061_bd2c5643e9_b.jpg

looking back the other way

https://live.staticflickr.com/7805/47512321371_69ca122b60_b.jpg

timbad
Apr 4, 2019, 5:56 AM
... and the mid-block traffic signal on Second between Mission and Howard has been turned on...

https://live.staticflickr.com/7884/32561880767_fcb1a14a22_b.jpg

and the little alleyway between it and the transit center is coming along

https://live.staticflickr.com/7891/33627301478_88d065582d_b.jpg

crosswalks still need permanent striping

https://live.staticflickr.com/7878/33627301828_43d5d9daf9_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7804/46588602045_326f3c75b8_b.jpg

Pedestrian
Apr 4, 2019, 7:15 AM
I personally can't wait until those projects on Mid-Market are finished. I keep hoping that at some point we'll reach a critical mass of new development and middle class or affluent residents that it gets the police to pay attention and the street turns the corner from being scary and crime-ridden.

gillynova
Apr 6, 2019, 4:50 PM
https://live.staticflickr.com/7853/47486066902_be421ccff9_h.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/4856/46233425762_f62aa68e4a_h.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7816/40495231003_890312f5c1_h.jpg

dc_denizen
Apr 6, 2019, 5:24 PM
salesforce turned into an SF icon, cool!

gillynova
Apr 6, 2019, 11:28 PM
Photo compilation from flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/46511735944_cf972e4b66_h.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1972/44520528795_fb0e7c2a55_h.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7911/40275670593_0c577d389e_h.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4516/38840954332_f30c964f06_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4645/27379656579_35c6ba3b48_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7885/46745853914_de552c9496_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2edLHLw)San Francisco - Chinatown (https://flic.kr/p/2edLHLw) by Bohao Zhao (https://www.flickr.com/photos/bohaozhao/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/7844/40512430803_f9e0d6e493_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24HWNfg)Tesla Autopilot Across the Golden Gate Bridge with the Scobleizer (https://flic.kr/p/24HWNfg) by Thomas Hawk (https://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/), on Flickr

SLO
Apr 8, 2019, 7:05 AM
Fantastic photography....

BobbyMucho
Apr 9, 2019, 3:25 PM
It looks like there's some demo happening at the 235 Valencia site:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2lz5ctzx64tli2l/235%20Valencia%20Sm.jpg?dl=1

Not sure what version of the design will be built but DDG seems to be running the show (http://ddgpartners.com/projects/235-valencia/).

It's a smaller-ish project but around the corner from this one (https://socketsite.com/archives/2019/04/contentious-mission-district-development-slated-for-approval.html) which will add a couple hundred units and a "living alley" to a sleepy, underserved part of the Mission once built.

viewguysf
Apr 10, 2019, 1:20 AM
5 of the 8 construction cranes I could count across my vantage point

https://live.staticflickr.com/7903/46851702244_776e9ed9a8_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eo8dMJ)construction cranes subtly everywhere (https://flic.kr/p/2eo8dMJ) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/), on Flickr

viewguysf
Apr 10, 2019, 1:21 AM
Van Ness update

https://live.staticflickr.com/7893/33698698698_f2bc0dc586_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TkQD5w)Van Ness Avenue BRT & utilities construction (https://flic.kr/p/TkQD5w) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/), on Flickr

Jerry of San Fran
Apr 10, 2019, 8:38 PM
View from the Asian Art Museum 2nd floor. The blue crane is at the Hastings Law School addition which has raised the skyline view from the Civic Center plaza.

https://live.staticflickr.com/7872/33704572038_e856f2b8ef_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TmmK21)Pavilion Construction, Asian Art Museum (https://flic.kr/p/TmmK21) by Apollo's Light (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7894/32639000017_ba36fab3bd_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RJcpzB)Pavilion Construction - Asian Art Muesum (https://flic.kr/p/RJcpzB) by Apollo's Light (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antinous/), on Flickr

gillynova
Apr 12, 2019, 12:57 AM
https://live.staticflickr.com/7854/40176741103_0e2ef06cec_b.jpg

colemonkee
Apr 12, 2019, 3:59 AM
Whatever you guys do, please keep all these skyline shots coming.

Pedestrian
Apr 12, 2019, 4:31 AM
Van Ness update

https://live.staticflickr.com/7893/33698698698_f2bc0dc586_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TkQD5w)Van Ness Avenue BRT & utilities construction (https://flic.kr/p/TkQD5w) by viewguysf (https://www.flickr.com/photos/viewguysf/), on Flickr

Oh, thank you. They appear to be paving the traffic lanes in front of my place so the sidewalk is probably done.. a very good thing.

Pedestrian
Apr 12, 2019, 4:35 AM
The blue crane is at the Hastings Law School addition which has raised the skyline view from the Civic Center plaza.


And created an ideal spot for the Tenderloin's drug dealing brigades in a niche of its construction barricade on Golden Gate Ave.