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gunna
Oct 24, 2020, 1:52 AM
Wow, this is an amazing project. Looks awesome! Congrats

That's not the real plan. This is the real plan.

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Piers-30-32-Proposal-Strada-TCC.jpg

http://socketsite.com/archives/2020/09/the-three-proposals-for-piers-30-32-and-across-the-street.html

timbad
Oct 25, 2020, 12:02 AM
was on Caltrain for the first time in a while last week, so got a glimpse of the significant construction at the SE Water Treatment facility (https://sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=1165), nice infrastructure investment

this is moving south to north

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50525230802_8f14ba440c_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50525069141_735ccc8703_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50524343858_d007f969a3_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50524343918_400c25ca52_b.jpg

on the other side of the tracks, the new police building (https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/construction-to-begin-on-new-police-building-in-bayview-after-years-of-delays/) is also coming along

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50526298907_d071ede756_b.jpg

edit: I'm not sure, but the yellow strip in the distance here may be associated with the reconstruction of the Sunnydale housing development (https://www.mercyhousing.org/2019/05/demolition-begins-at-sunnydale/)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50525071236_4c68b975af_b.jpg

BobbyMucho
Oct 29, 2020, 5:42 PM
Parcel T / 188 Octavia (https://www.edmondslee.com/parcelt.html)

Slowly crossing the finish line:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/42hn4meolwf4vn4/Parcel%20T%20188%20Octavia%2001.png?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vr2bqmuwmyfnrk9/Parcel%20T%20188%20Octavia%2002.png?raw=1



From a different part of town (Union Square), 72 Ellis turning out even less exciting than imagined (or at least in its current state / maybe it'll come together with its finishes):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/49nj9lgniowz0f4/72%20Ellis%201.png?raw=1

Designed by Gensler. Rendering for context:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qylj9i2g224ljvr/72%20Ellis%20rendering%2002.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0m8ncg0qg6nwmar/72%20Ellis%20rendering%2001.jpg?raw=1

Pedestrian
Oct 30, 2020, 5:29 AM
2,515-unit housing proposal in S.F.’s Fillmore is one of city’s largest ever
Roland Li
Oct. 29, 2020 Updated: Oct. 29, 2020 4:32 p.m.

A 1973 housing cooperative in San Francisco’s Fillmore district could become one of the city’s largest housing developments ever.

Freedom West, a 382-home complex on four blocks built in the wake of the city’s destructive urban renewal, is moving forward with a $2 billion proposal that would replace the existing housing and add 133 affordable units and up to 2,000 market-rate units.

Co-op shareholders voted to advance a plan from developer MacFarlane Partners and Avanath Capital Management, which will require city reviews and approvals.

The existing 382 homes, which are in need of repairs, would be replaced with eight-story modern buildings for current residents at no additional cost.

Unlike other megaprojects, such as Parkmerced, the San Francisco Shipyard and Treasure Island, which are on the outskirts of the city, Freedom West would be in its heart, just three blocks from City Hall. The project would dwarf any of the new projects in nearby Hayes Valley.

Freedom West co-op owners would also have a 15% profit share in the new market-rate units, which include new buildings rising 12 and 18 stories . . . .

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/14/77/35/20182854/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg


https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/2-515-unit-housing-proposal-in-S-F-s-Fillmore-15686795.php

I'm not sure how this is going to be received in Hayes Valley. But at 18 floors/180 ft (approx) it warrants a thread and I've given it one (with additional information): https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9089880#post9089880

bossabreezes
Oct 30, 2020, 7:33 PM
WOW! This would be outstanding. This part of town is so bizarre right now and criminally under-utilized. I hope this goes through and gets moving ASAP, bridging the way for future redevelopments of underutilized lots in that part of the city.

pseudolus
Oct 30, 2020, 8:41 PM
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/2-515-unit-housing-proposal-in-S-F-s-Fillmore-15686795.php

I'm not sure how this is going to be received in Hayes Valley. But at 18 floors/180 ft (approx) it warrants a thread and I've given it one (with additional information): https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9089880#post9089880

so blue is the affordable and the rest is the market rate?

Bikemike
Oct 30, 2020, 8:51 PM
I'm hoping for minimal to no parking, but not going to count on it.

After living in Germany and Japan, even SF or NY are too car-dependent for me. Built form is rough, unfriendly, and not human-scale. All these block-sized wood frame apartments with hundreds of parking spaces, single-modal streets, and curb-cuts are destroying the once ped-friendly urban fabric of these cities.

BobbyMucho
Oct 30, 2020, 10:06 PM
so blue is the affordable and the rest is the market rate?

Yep. It seems a bit lopsided, but apparently, the plan is for the [displaced] residents to get profit share via the market rate sales. The project promises a net gain of ~133 new units of affordable housing on top of improved onsite amenities and services.

Overall, not a bad deal assuming they do it in phases and somehow plan it so people aren't having to leave the city entirely for the upgrade.

Definitely seems a bit aggressive in terms of height + density on a snapshot but not totally out of scope for this area IMO.

BobbyMucho
Oct 30, 2020, 10:09 PM
I'm hoping for minimal to no parking, but not going to count on it.

After living in Germany and Japan, even SF or NY are too car-dependent for me. Built form is rough, unfriendly, and not human-scale. All these block-sized wood frame apartments with hundreds of parking spaces, single-modal streets, and curb-cuts are destroying the once ped-friendly urban fabric of these cities.

Agreed. The one thing we can expect regardless of the final parking spot count is that there's a far better land-use plan, replacing what looks like a 50/50 ratio of structure/parking as is.

Pedestrian
Nov 3, 2020, 9:27 PM
And then there was . . . another new project (thread @ https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9094493#post9094493 ):

Even Bigger Plans for Assembled SoMa Site
October 29, 2020

. . . a seven-lot merger is now proposed. And as envisioned, a 503-unit, 16-story apartment building would rise up to 160 feet in height on the 555-585 Bryant Street site, along with roughly 9,000 square feet of replacement PDR space and a ground floor garage for 100 cars and 225 bikes, leveraging California’s Density Bonus Law for the additional height and to bypass the required residential open space, maximum lot coverage and mid-block pedestrian pathway requirements of San Francisco’s Planning Code, as roughly massed below . . . .

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/585-Bryant-Street-Site.jpg

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/585-Bryant-Street-Massing.jpg

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/585-Bryant-Street-Massing.jpg
http://socketsite.com/archives/2020/10/even-bigger-plans-for-assembled-central-soma-site.html

homebucket
Nov 3, 2020, 9:51 PM
Good project. We need more housing built along the Central Subway extension.

Anyone know if there are plans for this lot? This lot along with others within 2-3 blocks of the 4th St corridor should be turned into mid to high rise residential towers.

https://goo.gl/maps/VdRQ14ZrWJ1ZxpfR6

L.ARCH
Nov 4, 2020, 1:29 AM
There's a project currently making its way though the planning department there. Commercial I believe.

a very long weekend
Nov 6, 2020, 6:39 AM
72 Ellis is interesting. That hotel group from the Netherlands is likely to implode in not too long, unless things turn around quickly. Their explicit plan was to get super leveraged on the ultra low cost of debt, and to massively expand into the centers of every major tourist city in the world, and to sell a specific product of relatively low cost/low maintenance hotel rooms (ie. "affordable luxury"), with a steady flow of income from amenities. Was a great idea a year ago, not so hot now, but could come back.

The luck for them was that they couldn't get a lot of their projects off the ground quickly, likely saving themselves from insolvency. Bummer that we didn't get the Hollywood one, which was cool, and would have improved the area. The DTLA one is almost done, and this one, of course, is just 100x better than that shabby lot.

Iceman12
Nov 6, 2020, 8:24 PM
Good project. We need more housing built along the Central Subway extension.

Anyone know if there are plans for this lot? This lot along with others within 2-3 blocks of the 4th St corridor should be turned into mid to high rise residential towers.

https://goo.gl/maps/VdRQ14ZrWJ1ZxpfR6

490 Brannan Street

https://socketsite.com/archives/2019/06/planning-questions-proposed-popos-for-key-central-soma-site.html

https://socketsite.com/archives/2019/04/detailed-plans-for-key-central-soma-site-and-non-tower-approach.html

homebucket
Nov 20, 2020, 7:06 PM
Updated skyline shot:

https://i.redd.it/mkty9mbowe061.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/jxqvfd/skyline_at_dusk_midnovember/

gillynova
Nov 20, 2020, 7:54 PM
Mira fits in perfectly. Great addition!

homebucket
Nov 20, 2020, 9:33 PM
Mira fits in perfectly. Great addition!

Hopefully we can get some towers built on the south side of the Bay Bridge/80 too so it'll feel more Tokyo-esque, driving through a skyscraper canyon!

Jerry of San Fran
Nov 23, 2020, 8:47 PM
homebucket - a beautiful panorama. You must have wings to get this view.

homebucket
Nov 23, 2020, 8:57 PM
homebucket - a beautiful panorama. You must have wings to get this view.

IIRC, there's a certain energy drink that claims drinking it will give you wings.

BeachHouse
Nov 25, 2020, 6:03 AM
Play Natalie Portman and you will win !!

all kidding aside, I would like to thank you for that pic !!

BobbyMucho
Dec 3, 2020, 7:37 PM
Some snaps via a quick bike ride through SOMA yesterday. I tried to get some shots from lesser documented projects as well—some of which have wrapped or are pretty close since I've last seen any pics.


235 Valencia

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5g7f9qinlt4ro70/235%20Valencia%2001.png?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1dswuhtupg371zt/235%20Valencia%2002.png?raw=1

Around the corner; 1441 Stevenson — Newly rebuilt (historic) warehouse, post-fire (https://missionlocal.org/2017/10/burned-out-sf-mission-tenants-win-1-million-settlement/).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnf526lxjc2hvyl/1441%20STEVENSON%2001.png?raw=1

Solid materials palette. Looking forward to the alley being livened up a bit once these few (along with this potential project at the 14th st end of the alley (https://socketsite.com/archives/2019/07/opposed-development-redesigned-slated-for-approval-again.html)) are completed.


1700 Market (now finished?)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0xsd635a57zomj5/1700%20Market%2001.png?raw=1


1550 Market (creeping along ever soooo slowly)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qsw6seck7henveg/1550%20Market%2001.png?raw=1


Small project at 349 8th (tastefully designed by RG (https://www.rg-architecture.com/349-8th-street-1))

https://www.dropbox.com/s/brtxvz05upw30kx/349%208TH%2001.png?raw=1


Larger, mid-block project at 1140 Harrison

https://www.dropbox.com/s/21bgujh91pf6nu4/1140%20Harrison%2001.png?raw=1

Not super inspiring, but also not as monolithic as I presumed it would be. Looking forward to some more brick in SOMA.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl3rm3lo572ypsi/1140%20Harrison%2002.png?raw=1

Not super exciting at this point, but I noticed the adjacent Galvanized project is currently full swing; undergoing demo/retrofit for the soon to be office space (http://www.workshop1.com/properties/2018/3/6/1170harrison-s9).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nzk381gpaywoy7v/1170%20HARRISON%20ST.png?raw=1


345 6th / 363 6th next door

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7v90wt223mvafvt/345%2006TH%20ST%2001.png?raw=1

Again, not super inspiring, but it's density and much-needed housing:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cid9ts7jvievqf9/345%2006TH%20ST%2002.png?raw=1

Adjacent 363 6th

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7jrjh7xlfp7x07c/363%206TH%2001.png?raw=1


345 4th — Office project and infill designed by Stanton (http://www.stantonarchitecture.com/345-4th-street)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5x7km7lvaln6h7/345%2004TH%20ST%2001.png?raw=1


Bonus shot of Folsom Street progress in the East Cut. New trees, bike lanes, paint, benches, lights, and a well-defined canyon of high-rises.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1z5oaqrei7j2zsw/Folsom%20Bike%20Path%2001.png?raw=1

Therein, the PG&E pocket park is finished/open and looks and feels excellent

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oqrzhdojhxf4nz5/PGE%20Park%2001.png?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u9n74v1s514mgnc/PGE%20Park%2002.png?raw=1


5M — Cladding install is looking super nice IMO

https://www.dropbox.com/s/alickha57prwbt9/5M%20002b.png?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zcobeyjfz4nqy2t/5M%20003b.png?raw=1

Around the corner, the backside of 941 Mission

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6u1ppcjieaypdw/941%20MISSION%20ST%2001.pngraw=1

30 Otis gets more glass

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jp53clcuc22i4x4/30%20OTIS%20ST%2001.png?raw=1

Finally, a quick snap from within the mews at 49 Van Ness and the newly added public art by Sanaz Mazinani (https://www.sanazmazinani.com/rollingreflections)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jn1fd8o9wpuwl5m/1500%20Mission%20Art%2001.png?raw=1

homebucket
Dec 3, 2020, 9:56 PM
Excellent update, thanks Bob!

whitty
Dec 3, 2020, 11:07 PM
Excellent update, thanks Bob!

Hear hear! :cheers:

kccumm
Dec 4, 2020, 5:39 AM
7qoy8cZGjac

gillynova
Dec 4, 2020, 6:15 AM
Man, that was beautiful. Thanks for sharing

homebucket
Dec 4, 2020, 6:18 AM
https://youtu.be/7qoy8cZGjac

Sick video brah! I like how you featured both the new skyline and the old skyline.

homebucket
Dec 5, 2020, 3:29 AM
Here's a recent shot of the skyline progress as viewed from Twin Peaks. With a bonus alpaca.

https://i.redd.it/qwkaxqrsef261.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/CityPorn/comments/k42ql2/san_francisco/

iamfishhead
Dec 5, 2020, 11:26 PM
Here's a recent shot of the skyline progress as viewed from Twin Peaks. With a bonus alpaca.

I wonder where he has room for it in the city.

homebucket
Dec 6, 2020, 7:12 AM
I wonder where he has room for it in the city.

I’m gonna guess Pacifica or Half Moon Bay.

homebucket
Dec 7, 2020, 4:06 AM
Went over to the 510 today. Took this shot from The 'Meda.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50689497331_2681318b4a_h.jpg

Pedestrian
Dec 17, 2020, 10:32 PM
New thread for a new project: Sutter Park @1223 Sutter St. - https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9136832#post9136832

And yet another (this one seems a little more tentative) @ 600 McAllister - https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9136845#post9136845

BobbyMucho
Dec 25, 2020, 10:07 PM
2060 Folsom, aka "Casa Adelante" (from 17th) looking north

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pmk0m1s4591q8d8/2060%20Folsom%20001b.png?raw=1

2060 Folsom (from the corner of 17th and Folsom looking NW)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0h849d6bfliccw3/2060%20Folsom%20002.png?raw=1

Some work still being done on the ground level commercial spaces, but very close to wrapped up.

In Chan Kaajal park alone has added a decent amount of life to this part of the neighborhood, but looking forward to the extra vibes Casa Adelante (as well as 1990 Folsom, a block down) will bring.

whitty
Dec 25, 2020, 11:24 PM
It must be the lighting, but those pictures look like renderings. Good project.

sentinel
Dec 27, 2020, 3:41 PM
Went over to the 510 today. Took this shot from The 'Meda.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50689497331_2681318b4a_h.jpg

Beautiful shot. Did you see any nuclear wessels in Alameda? :D

gillynova
Jan 1, 2021, 6:05 PM
Here are a couple of videos that I did over the past couple of days around San Francisco. Thought maybe you guys would be interested. If this isn't allowed, I can delete my post. Happy new years!

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ku4JJqhi5FQ

viewguysf
Jan 1, 2021, 8:49 PM
Here are a couple of videos that I did over the past couple of days around San Francisco. Thought maybe you guys would be interested. If this isn't allowed, I can delete my post. Happy new years!

Beautiful Gilly, especially the second one. Happy New Year to you also—thank you for your continuous contributions!

Pedestrian
Jan 1, 2021, 8:52 PM
Here are a couple of videos that I did over the past couple of days around San Francisco. Thought maybe you guys would be interested. If this isn't allowed, I can delete my post. Happy new years!


Why wouldn't it be allowed? Stills or videos should always be welcome.

By the way, I particularly appreciated the videos of Crissy Field park area--I never made it over there last summer because of the traffic mess created by the construction of the new Quartermaster Reach (https://www.presidio.gov/places/quartermaster-reach-marsh) (I went over several times but it was just too congested and messy to park and look around).

If you go again, please try to get some video of the new work.

tall/awkward
Jan 2, 2021, 12:40 AM
Love the rainy city video, including the sounds! Something about the interplay of light and moisture too...

homebucket
Jan 2, 2021, 7:03 AM
Great videos, gilly! Very cinematic and soothing in a way. Has that quiet kinda indie vibe.

MN/WI
Jan 2, 2021, 3:27 PM
Went over to the 510 today. Took this shot from The 'Meda.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50689497331_2681318b4a_h.jpg

Looks like Atlantis rising from the ocean.

AndrewCNelson
Jan 4, 2021, 6:39 PM
Hello! I'm looking for help. I can not find an accurate list of the tallest planned and completed buildings in San Francisco/North California. I did my best and compiled this list. I want to crowdsource to confirm I am not missing anything, as well as to share this with you all. This will be for my work at SFYIMBY.com (https://sfyimby.com).


# (ft) Project Name
1 1,070 Salesforce Tower
2 910 Oceanwide Center
3 853 Transamerica Pyramid
4 810 181 Fremont Street
5 779 555 California Street
6 750 550 Howard Street
7 695 345 California Center
8 645 Millennium Tower
9 641 One Rincon Hill South Tower
10 622 415 20th Street
11 618 The Avery (Transbay Block 8)*
12 605 250 Howard Street
13 600 53 3rd Street
14 600 101 California Street
15 600 50 Fremont Center
16 590 10 South Van Ness
17 573 Market Center
18 571 Four Embarcadero Center
19 568 One Embarcadero Center
20 565 44 Montgomery Street
21 564 Spear Tower
22 550 One Sansome Street
23 541 Tower 2, The Harrison
24 538 One Front Street
25 529 McKesson Plaza
26 529 First Market Tower
27 525 425 Market Street
28 520 30 Van Ness
29 510 706 Mission Street
30 500 Telesis Tower / One Montgomery Tower
31 495 333 Bush Street
32 493 Hilton San Francisco Tower I
33 492 Pacific Gas & Electric Building
34 487 50 California Street
35 487 555 Mission Street
36 484 St. Regis San Francisco
37 476 100 Pine Center
38 476 45 Fremont Street
39 472 333 Market Street
40 466 Hartford Building
41 447 100 First Plaza
42 444 95 Hawthorne Street
43 440 500 Folsom Street
44 440 340 Fremont Street
45 440 399 Fremont Street
46 438 One California
47 436 San Francisco Marriott
48 435 140 New Montgomery
49 435 Russ Building
50 430 Jasper
51 423 The Infinity I
52 422 MIRA

This is my first post here, so please delete if there is a better thread for this. Thank you!

Pedestrian
Jan 4, 2021, 7:13 PM
Hello! I'm looking for help. I can not find an accurate list of the tallest planned and completed buildings in San Francisco/North California. I did my best and compiled this list. I want to crowdsource to confirm I am not missing anything, as well as to share this with you all. This will be for my work at SFYIMBY.com (https://sfyimby.com).


Do you have any criteria for likelihood of construction or where the projects are in the approval process? Also, what minimum height are you interested in.

There are some somewhat fanciful projects like 45-53 Third St ( https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243652&highlight=FRANCISCO ) which you are missing. And some at around 400 feet [like 1500 Mission at 396 ft) you may or may not be interested in.

Pedestrian
Jan 4, 2021, 10:15 PM
New thread for UCSF redevelopment project as explained in today's Chronicle ( https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/UCSF-agrees-to-build-more-than-1-200-new-homes-as-15843169.phpb ) and Socketsite ( http://socketsite.com/archives/2021/01/bigger-plans-for-ucsfs-parnassus-heights-campus-closer-to-reality.html ): https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9149141#post9149141

AndrewCNelson
Jan 4, 2021, 10:52 PM
Do you have any criteria for likelihood of construction or where the projects are in the approval process? Also, what minimum height are you interested in.

There are some somewhat fanciful projects like 45-53 Third St ( https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243652&highlight=FRANCISCO ) which you are missing. And some at around 400 feet [like 1500 Mission at 396 ft) you may or may not be interested in.

As long as the developer hasnt stated that the project is over, I'm considering it. I'm including the Oceanwide Center for that reason, even though it's on hold. Having followed these kind of projects before, I know that even through some rough times, they have a chance of being built, so I am considering 53 3rd Street at #13.

& Yes! This will be a top 52 tallest towers list, so that's the reason for the cut-off. If I don't consider the Sutro Tower as counting, then #52 would actually be Studio Gang's MIRA.

Pedestrian
Jan 4, 2021, 11:01 PM
I am considering 53 3rd Street at #13.


Ah . . . sorry; missed it.

List looks good to me if those are your criteria.

AndrewCNelson
Jan 4, 2021, 11:06 PM
Ah . . . sorry; missed it.

List looks good to me if those are your criteria.

Oh no worries, it's a long list ! Thank you :yes:

timbad
Jan 11, 2021, 8:51 AM
various things that didn't fit in individual threads...

One de Haro

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50821986973_0ce2822c9f_b.jpg

Bryant, near 8th (which for some reason I thought was going to be super yellow. oh, this was why (http://socketsite.com/archives/2017/08/185-new-apartments-on-bryant-really-closer-to-reality.html). glad not, in any case). there also seems to be something under wraps further to the east, maybe at Sixth, not sure what that would be

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822737941_a300bf5202_b.jpg

Harrison, near 8th. wraps coming off

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822831337_454ed4f408_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822738701_a778b71a00_b.jpg

9th and Howard

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822739136_96fe064296_b.jpg

with 5M in the distance

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822739201_565e824169_b.jpg

small parts of Van Ness are still torn up...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822742596_4136a9e5ab_b.jpg

but some parts are much further along:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822743641_a547cc6e44_b.jpg

the one that used to be the auto-repair place across from the federal building north of Civic Center

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822837502_15dcca9cd4_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822744391_db388011e3_b.jpg

Trinity, since its thread has been closed to new comments

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822838272_a152cb719c_b.jpg

the supportive housing on Mission next to the courthouse, near 7th

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822745191_6eaac77b3e_b.jpg

1066 Market

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822745261_c44cfeaffc_b.jpg

Serif and the growing wall on the north side of Market

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822746676_179472ef1b_b.jpg

this one (http://socketsite.com/archives/2017/11/timing-for-127-unit-central-soma-development-to-rise.html) up 5th St from 5M seems to have stalled:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50821997338_89a83824de_b.jpg

this (http://socketsite.com/archives/2017/06/refined-designs-for-developing-five-stories-behind-21st-amendment.html) was built behind (now-boarded-up) 21st Amendment on Second St. it spans two alleys. its face on the other was more attractive, but there was someone standing there that I didn't want to bother by conspicuously taking a photo

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50823488811_8bfc9d213d_b.jpg

as someone documented recently, Folsom streetscape is getting close to done. street has been paved and striped...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50823583377_0224ef467a_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822742823_315381d59b_b.jpg

... but I was really disappointed to see some of the corner planters still unfinished. seems like they have been like that forever

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50823482191_2a8a3e391f_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822735058_382a73c7f1_b.jpg

at least the one in front of Mira is basically done

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50823485671_a0f5f0d910_b.jpg

Moscone Muni Station entrance has made a little progress

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50823488876_4a1169b659_b.jpg

(and it was too dark for the photo to come out, but the 4th and Brannan surface station also was closer to being done, with awnings and signage installed when I walked by)

DIESELPOLO
Jan 11, 2021, 2:12 PM
Thanks for those updates, Timbad!


Haha, easily understandable why you'd think the Bryant street one would be yellow
Trinity has been building since I had moved to SF 7 years ago. Glad to see that wrapping up
I love how Serif turned out. Wonder if the floorplans are any good.
Those Folsom streetscape finishing touches were sorely needed. Thank goodness (that project felt like it took forever considering that it was a streetscape project
Nice! you got a peek at the station! :)

bossabreezes
Jan 11, 2021, 3:04 PM
Awesome photos, makes me miss SF.

Quick question about the homeless situation- is it still better controlled than before the pandemic? I haven't been to SF since before the pandemic started and we all know what it was like then. I heard it was being contained better than previously, but interested to hear how it is now and if anyone thinks it's going to be a permanent fix or if it will go back to business as usual once the pandemic ends.

gillynova
Jan 11, 2021, 4:33 PM
Thanks for all of the photos Timbad! Even on the individual threads. I would post photos but for some reason my imgur isn't working anymore and I get busy with other personal projects. I will try to find another solution so I can help out. Cheers everyone and hope you're all having a good 2021 so far!

RST500
Jan 11, 2021, 7:32 PM
Looks like Norman Foster's Oceanwide Center is on hold indefinitely:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/S-F-office-market-hits-worst-slump-in-decades-as-15859782.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

AndrewK
Jan 11, 2021, 8:28 PM
Awesome photos, makes me miss SF.

Quick question about the homeless situation- is it still better controlled than before the pandemic? I haven't been to SF since before the pandemic started and we all know what it was like then. I heard it was being contained better than previously, but interested to hear how it is now and if anyone thinks it's going to be a permanent fix or if it will go back to business as usual once the pandemic ends.

The number of tents drastically increased at the beginning of the pandemic, but has gone down significantly (at least in my part of town) over the last couple of months. The general homeless population seems to be at about the same level it was pre-pandemic, however.

AndrewK
Jan 11, 2021, 8:33 PM
Bryant, near 8th (which for some reason I thought was going to be super yellow. oh, this was why (http://socketsite.com/archives/2017/08/185-new-apartments-on-bryant-really-closer-to-reality.html). glad not, in any case). there also seems to be something under wraps further to the east, maybe at Sixth, not sure what that would be

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50822737941_a300bf5202_b.jpg


That would be 833 Bryant:
https://www.mercyhousing.org/2020/04/13600/

Pedestrian
Jan 11, 2021, 11:31 PM
Trinity has been building since I had moved to SF 7 years ago. Glad to see that wrapping up


You should have been here for the fights about approving it that went on for years before that. Does the name Chris Daly mean anything?

Pedestrian
Jan 11, 2021, 11:34 PM
The number of tents drastically increased at the beginning of the pandemic, but has gone down significantly (at least in my part of town) over the last couple of months. The general homeless population seems to be at about the same level it was pre-pandemic, however.

Yes, the number of tents on sidewalks, at least outside the Tenderloin, is significantly less and I think that's due to housing people in hotels. The big question is whether they'll all be back out on the street when the pandemic is over and/or funding for the hotel rooms dries up or the hotel owners want to get back to renting to tourists or longer term renters.

I admit I was afraid they'd come back as soon as the election was over.

gillynova
Jan 12, 2021, 12:32 AM
During my most recent trips to SF, I have noticed a drop in tents around the city, especially around the freeway exits towards the Bay Bridge. I usually trek around Chase Center, Salesforce Park -> Mira Tower, Ferry Building, Crissy Field/Palace of Fine Arts and Sutro baths and RARELY see any homeless people there.

The last time I was in the Tenderloin district was probably in September and it seemed like it was the same pre-pandemic, in my opinion. People are generally nice and let you pass by

Busy Bee
Jan 12, 2021, 12:43 AM
Those planters look pretty interesting. Are those cast concrete of some kind of stone?

iamfishhead
Jan 12, 2021, 2:59 AM
Yes, the number of tents on sidewalks, at least outside the Tenderloin, is significantly less and I think that's due to housing people in hotels. The big question is whether they'll all be back out on the street when the pandemic is over and/or funding for the hotel rooms dries up or the hotel owners want to get back to renting to tourists or longer term renters.

I admit I was afraid they'd come back as soon as the election was over.

Yeah. I live near 4th and King where there are usually a lot of homeless. There have been far fewer around, because, as mentioned, many are being housed in hotels for the moment. Since occupancy of the hotels is so low anyway, I guess it's a reasonable use for them, plus I would rather not have people walking around who can get infected but can't self isolate. That's not to say you don't see people on the street or sleeping in tents: you do, but if I had to say from my experience, the number is only 5-10% of what it usually is.

DIESELPOLO
Jan 12, 2021, 5:23 AM
You should have been here for the fights about approving it that went on for years before that. Does the name Chris Daly mean anything?

It doesn't. Looks like I need to use my google fingers to learn more!

Jerry of San Fran
Jan 12, 2021, 5:52 AM
timbad Thanks again for all the updates. We are not getting out much due to the pandemic so glad to see so many changes. I was concerned about two of the very large building projects south of Market when they were in the wood frame construction, holding my breath that we would not see another fire which happens too often. Glad to see them survive & are relatively safe now.

timbad
Jan 12, 2021, 9:37 AM
That would be 833 Bryant:
https://www.mercyhousing.org/2020/04/13600/

and thanks again! I think I'd completely missed that one

whitty
Jan 12, 2021, 7:50 PM
Looks like Norman Foster's Oceanwide Center is on hold indefinitely:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/S-F-office-market-hits-worst-slump-in-decades-as-15859782.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

This one is just so disappointing. These are going to be two absolutely massive holes in the ground for *years* I think. Unless someone like Boston Properties buys the whole thing, this ain't moving.

AndrewK
Jan 12, 2021, 9:20 PM
Going up Franklin yesterday I noticed that there was work going on at 807 Franklin (the Englander House). They were demolishing what looked to be a later addition to the rear of the building. As a reminder, the old Victorian will be moved to the 600 block of Fulton and this will be built in its place (and on the adjoining empty lot):

http://www.kermanmorris.com/807-franklin

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5580374de4b0e50836d08a3d/1539281495714-H69L5Z9HJG4DJW4AI8LF/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAGx3IFADtt9koaOuly55F57gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0pTKqSDRwmMK43IUI3HojJX_iGOyvGz0VEAhzFdMwNTUP3iYIRpjRWHZRVGJwIQ0nA/807+Franklin-Overall+Rendering+%28ESE%29+Edited.jpg

viewguysf
Jan 13, 2021, 8:04 AM
This one is just so disappointing. These are going to be two absolutely massive holes in the ground for *years* I think. Unless someone like Boston Properties buys the whole thing, this ain't moving.

There aren’t two massive holes since the entire substructures have been built out over a number of years that brought them to ground level, plus a little more. Still, this is more than disappointing, though it has been obvious for a long time.

whitty
Jan 13, 2021, 6:34 PM
There aren’t two massive holes since the entire substructures have been built out over a number of years that brought them to ground level, plus a little more. Still, this is more than disappointing, though it has been obvious for a long time.

Fair, it’s an important distinction that these are fully excavated, sub structures built out to ground or above ground level, and there’s 2 tower cranes up. That’s a big difference. But as Oceanwide LA has shown... even in that state, it could be a while.

memester
Jan 13, 2021, 7:58 PM
Fair, it’s an important distinction that these are fully excavated, sub structures built out to ground or above ground level, and there’s 2 tower cranes up. That’s a big difference. But as Oceanwide LA has shown... even in that state, it could be a while.

The third crane for the Waldorf Astoria/Condo tower is still onsite (or it was back in late December). Both sites are ready to go above ground if a buyer could be found. The issue, to me, is Oceanwide's expectation it should be paid full price for it's botched project management. Oceanwide proceeded expecting it could cover costs through it's internal cash flow/assets and did not take into account China changing it's overseas investment policies in mid project. It's a sad site, but it is also an entitled site, so someone will want in at some point. All the design and engineering work is paid for, sooooo

pseudolus
Jan 13, 2021, 8:09 PM
There aren’t two massive holes since the entire substructures have been built out over a number of years that brought them to ground level, plus a little more. Still, this is more than disappointing, though it has been obvious for a long time.

Let's hope it doesn't sit idle as long as the Chicago Spire site? How long was the 535 Mission St site idle?

Pedestrian
Jan 13, 2021, 9:24 PM
Let's hope it doesn't sit idle as long as the Chicago Spire site? How long was the 535 Mission St site idle?

The 535 Mission site really was a hole in the ground filled with gravel. Oceanside is much farther along. A better comparison might be 706 Mission where a lot of underground work was done in anticipation of the ultimate completion of the Legoretta design of the Mexican Museum. When 4-Seasons came along with their tower proposal many years later--a totally different type of building--much of this work turned out to be worthless but I don't think that'll happen with Oceanwide. In SF it seems like about half the time to put up a tower is spent on foundation work and below ground work. That would mean these buildings are half-way done. Somebody will pick up the ball but the great unknown is what kind of recovery from the COVID economic catastrophe we'll have: A quick bounce-back or a slow grinding recession. And will the work-from-home boomlet fade as people realize the folks actually coming into the office for face time with the boss are the ones getting promoted (and paid more)? If so, and the value of downtown office space bounces back, Oceanside might not be on hold as long as some think.

LAisthePlace
Jan 13, 2021, 9:30 PM
The 535 Mission site really was a hole in the ground filled with gravel. Oceanside is much farther along. A better comparison might be 706 Mission where a lot of underground work was done in anticipation of the ultimate completion of the Legoretta design of the Mexican Museum. When 4-Seasons came along with their tower proposal many years later--a totally different type of building--much of this work turned out to be worthless but I don't think that'll happen with Oceanwide. In SF it seems like about half the time to put up a tower is spent on foundation work and below ground work. That would mean these buildings are half-way done. Somebody will pick up the ball but the great unknown is what kind of recovery from the COVID economic catastrophe we'll have: A quick bounce-back or a slow grinding recession. And will the work-from-home boomlet fade as people realize the folks actually coming into the office for face time with the boss are the ones getting promoted (and paid more)? If so, and the value of downtown office space bounces back, Oceanside might not be on hold as long as some think.

We down in LA are *quite* eager for Oceanwide SF to get sold as the consensus seems to be that they will use the proceeds from the SF sale to complete the LA property.

Meanwhile it is just hanging out, cranes and all. Same as it ever was...

What a mess.

viewguysf
Jan 14, 2021, 1:24 AM
Oceanwide Center (name to undoubtedly be changed) has had its own thread since the beginning and now there are simultaneous conversations going on. Let's stick to its dedicated thread please.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185537&page=58

AndrewK
Jan 15, 2021, 7:47 PM
I took a different route to work than usual yesterday and noticed the oil change station on Valencia across from Zeitgeist had been demolished.

timbad
Jan 16, 2021, 2:33 AM
I took a different route to work than usual yesterday and noticed the oil change station on Valencia across from Zeitgeist had been demolished.

ah, this one (http://socketsite.com/archives/2020/02/price-cut-for-contentious-development-site-on-valencia.html)

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/198-Valencia-Street-Rendering-2017-1.jpg

Jerry of San Fran
Jan 16, 2021, 6:57 PM
1288 Howard Street and 9th Street The final floor build as of 1/16/2021. In this photo the building in the lower right corner is the micro apartments on Mission Street and 9th Street.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50842165112_16b6ad3ac1_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ksKonE)1288 Howard Street @ 9th Street (https://flic.kr/p/2ksKonE)

timbad
Jan 16, 2021, 10:26 PM
according to Potrero View (https://www.potreroview.net/potrero-annex-terrace-redevelopment-continues/), infrastructure work for Phase 2 (https://1697ca91-6339-43d6-8fdf-8d88fab3991e.filesusr.com/ugd/e8e486_e85f431cc6474801ba57c81e8c68d8ef.pdf) of Rebuild Potrero (https://www.rebuildpotrero.com/development-phases) is to start this Monday, with construction of the housing itself starting in August

timbad
Jan 18, 2021, 3:17 AM
Potrero View also reminded me (https://www.potreroview.net/manwaring-letters-erased-but-not-forgotten/) that at the corner of Third and Evans, at the far north end of Bayview, the new Southeast Community Center (https://southeastcommunitycenter.com) is going up, replacing the old India Basin Industrial Park

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50847427906_c6c2dc08cd_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50847427611_51e1abb305_b.jpg

woahjoey
Jan 25, 2021, 4:47 AM
The red bus lanes on Van Ness are now up to Sutter & Van Ness.

Pedestrian
Jan 25, 2021, 8:53 PM
The red bus lanes on Van Ness are now up to Sutter & Van Ness.

I am out of town for the winter but am very interested in this project (EXTREMELY interested in it getting finished). If you carry a cell phone, how about snapping a photo or two next time you are in the area and posting them? It would be much appreciated.

I had been hoping they were making progress and you confirmed they are.

timbad
Jan 25, 2021, 9:29 PM
I am not very familiar with this playground, and had missed, or forgotten, that it was being worked on, but I sort of stumbled onto what seems to be a fairly major project, as these things go. (I don't have pics - I only noticed this from google maps satellite view, while reminding myself where 807 Franklin was, from AndrewK's recent post.)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50875602732_09d98a7521_b.jpg

and it looks thoughtfully planned (https://sfrecpark.org/DocumentCenter/View/1725/Staff-Report---Concept-Design-Approval-Attachments-PDF) to me, which makes me grateful for the investment - though, as I say, this is not something I have followed at all. if anyone is more familiar or has recent pics, please chime in. seems like the work wrapped up (https://sfrecpark.org/1157/Margaret-S-Hayward-Playground-Improvemen) just in the last couple months.

Pedestrian
Jan 26, 2021, 1:45 AM
I am not very familiar with this playground, and had missed, or forgotten, that it was being worked on, but I sort of stumbled onto what seems to be a fairly major project, as these things go. it looks thoughtfully planned (https://sfrecpark.org/DocumentCenter/View/1725/Staff-Report---Concept-Design-Approval-Attachments-PDF) to me, which makes me grateful for the investment - though, as I say, this is not something I have followed at all. if anyone is more familiar or has recent pics, please chime in. seems like the work wrapped up (https://sfrecpark.org/1157/Margaret-S-Hayward-Playground-Improvemen) just in the last couple months.

I, of course, live very close by and my window looks out past this (there's a building in the way so I can't see the actual construction but when they used to have night ballgames I definitely see the lights). The still-green Jefferson Square Park is where a lot of people from my building walk their dogs.

It seemed to me the construction was over or largely over in November when I left town for the winter . . . after several years. I did not, however, take time to check out what they'd done. It used to be baseball diamonds and tennis courts mainly. From your aerial shot it looks like 2 of the tennis courts were left alone as, of course, was the city Emergency Response (911) center which was built after the 1989 quake and sits on the most impressive set of base isolators I've seen.

timbad
Jan 26, 2021, 4:18 AM
more google maps scanning also reminded me that USF also has some significant construction (https://myusf.usfca.edu/construction-projects) going on their Lone Mountain campus

https://myusf.usfca.edu/sites/default/files/images/Construction%20Projects/construction_map.jpg

https://myusf.usfca.edu/sites/default/files/images/Construction%20Projects/long_mountain_res_hall_render_elevation.jpg

Jerry of San Fran
Jan 26, 2021, 6:59 AM
timbad - as you probably know Lone Mountain was a cemetery. A friend of mine has worked there with construction. He tells me that the staff at lone mountain hate it when they have to did in the ground as they often find human remains.

timbad
Jan 26, 2021, 8:11 AM
...they often find human remains.

well, I certainly didn't put two and two together to imagine that! thanks for that little tidbit, Jerry - I always appreciate when we can make connections to the larger historical picture

timbad
Jan 26, 2021, 2:20 PM
I had missed that the floating fire station (https://socketsite.com/archives/2018/06/floating-fire-station-even-closer-to-reality-on-san-franciscos-bay.html) (for Station 35) had arrived (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/new-floating-fireboat-station-arrives-at-san-francisco-pier/2414265/) last month along the Embarcadero! (oops, sorry for large size)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoXIOqlU8AApcmY?format=jpg&name=large

source (https://twitter.com/mydayinSF/status/1334693027630047232/photo/2)

longer youtube video about it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr_kYJzXB-g&feature=youtu.be)

gillynova
Jan 27, 2021, 1:34 AM
That's a pretty nice find!

Jerry of San Fran
Jan 31, 2021, 10:13 PM
01/31/2021 - It appears there was a fire at the construction site. I could smell the smoke with a odor of burning tar paper. I heard one fire engine to respond & the fire was extinguished quickly.

I have seen too many buildings south of Market at this very vulnerable stage burn. At this had happened in the early hours of the morning it would probably have been a much worse outcome. My worst fear happened today!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50895898121_c15ba9cb00_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kxuMjR)!! Fire (https://flic.kr/p/2kxuMjR)

AndrewCNelson
Jan 31, 2021, 10:38 PM
What terrible news! That's the site for 1288/1298 Howard Street, planned to bring 124 apartments split between two buildings.

http://socketsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1298-Howard-Street-Rendering.jpg

From that photo, it looks like the smoke is just coming from the Alley building, which is planned to created 22 units.

Keep us updated!


01/31/2021 - It appears there was a fire at the construction site. I could smell the smoke with a odor of burning tar paper. I heard one fire engine to respond & the fire was extinguished quickly.

I have seen too many buildings south of Market at this very vulnerable stage burn. At this had happened in the early hours of the morning it would probably have been a much worse outcome. My worst fear happened today!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50895898121_c15ba9cb00_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kxuMjR)!! Fire (https://flic.kr/p/2kxuMjR)

Iceman12
Jan 31, 2021, 10:53 PM
It was a garbage truck, not any buildings. I was behind it on Howard before it pulled over and emergency crews arrived.

Jerry of San Fran
Jan 31, 2021, 11:22 PM
Iceman[/B]12;9176127]It was a garbage truck, not any buildings. I was behind it on Howard before it pulled over and emergency crews arrived.
ICEMAN - thanks for the update! I could not resist & went down & snapped a photo.


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50896247712_46b78dfa2f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kxwzfh)1288 Howard Street - Garbage Truck Fire (https://flic.kr/p/2kxwzfh)

iamfishhead
Jan 31, 2021, 11:39 PM
01/31/2021 - It appears there was a fire at the construction site. I could smell the smoke with a odor of burning tar paper. I heard one fire engine to respond & the fire was extinguished quickly.

I have seen too many buildings south of Market at this very vulnerable stage burn. At this had happened in the early hours of the morning it would probably have been a much worse outcome. My worst fear happened today!


Yeah, I lived right across the street from the one in Mission Bay that burned. Seems like people should be treating these things more seriously.

craigs
Feb 1, 2021, 3:50 AM
Yeah, I lived right across the street from the one in Mission Bay that burned. Seems like people should be treating these things more seriously.
A buddy and I were biking through GGP on our way home from Ocean Beach that day and we could see the smoke soaring into the sky from around the de Young Museum.

While I realize today's fire was in a garbage truck, I'm really nervous about fires in and around construction sites. A former forumer purchased a condo in a West Oakland development that was torched to the ground during construction. The deal was eventually unwound and they found a place to live, but it was a jarring experience.

Jerry of San Fran
Feb 1, 2021, 4:59 AM
Yeah, I lived right across the street from the one in Mission Bay that burned. Seems like people should be treating these things more seriously.

ismfishhead I watched the fire from my apartment in the Civic Center from the start to the finish, took photos which you can see in this forum Page 79, #1566 03/12/2014. Were you home at the time of the fire? Were you able to return home soon after? I visited the site shortly after the fire & saw the damage to apartments across the street.

timbad
Feb 1, 2021, 7:32 AM
A buddy and I were biking through GGP on our way home from Ocean Beach that day and we could see the smoke soaring into the sky from around the de Young Museum.

...

since we are on the topic, if anyone wants to relive a bit, here was some of the discussion at the time (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128118&page=79)

gillynova
Feb 1, 2021, 6:47 PM
SF Skyline from Alameda:

https://i.imgur.com/iNj4eQPh.jpg

SF Skyline:

https://i.imgur.com/GovwFNIh.jpg

Skyline from Portero Hill:

https://i.imgur.com/RgnD9YZh.jpg

500 Folsom at night

https://i.imgur.com/udwCdoTh.jpg

Fisherman's Wharf view:

https://i.imgur.com/kkNPZO0h.jpg

gizm0duck
Feb 1, 2021, 8:48 PM
I am out of town for the winter but am very interested in this project (EXTREMELY interested in it getting finished). If you carry a cell phone, how about snapping a photo or two next time you are in the area and posting them? It would be much appreciated.

I had been hoping they were making progress and you confirmed they are.

I took a pic from Golden Gate Avenue while on a walk yesterday

http://imgur.com/cwhocRW.jpg

homebucket
Feb 1, 2021, 8:58 PM
SF Skyline:

https://i.imgur.com/GovwFNIh.jpg

Nice to see the impact of 5M taking place! Too bad it continues the table top effect but at least it fills in a gap.

iamfishhead
Feb 2, 2021, 5:05 AM
ismfishhead I watched the fire from my apartment in the Civic Center from the start to the finish, took photos which you can see in this forum Page 79, #1566 03/12/2014. Were you home at the time of the fire? Were you able to return home soon after? I visited the site shortly after the fire & saw the damage to apartments across the street.

Nope, was on Muni home and then shopping at Safeway. I lived at 555 Mission Rock and had a view directly over the fire. Our apartment was fortunately undamaged other than a shattered window in the TV room. They let us in the evening of the fire, provided we were residents to get emergency supplies, and then let us freely go in after a few days.

Pedestrian
Feb 2, 2021, 8:38 PM
Seems like people should be treating these things more seriously.

On this subject, I always think of this:

4-Alarm Fire in S.F. City Hall Dome / No one hurt, damage confined to dome area
Jaxon Van Derbeken
Feb. 14, 1998
Updated: Feb. 4, 2012 12:23 a.m.

1998-02-14 04:00:00 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco's $293 million renovation of City Hall was dealt a setback yesterday when a fire broke out between layered walls of the famous dome, sending smoke billowing over the Civic Center and bottling up the evening commute.

Construction crews had already ended their workday, when someone saw smoke and reported the fire about 4:10 p.m. The blaze rose to four alarms as 120 firefighters spent three hours dousing the flames -- a task fire officials said was impeded by a malfunctioning water standpipe.

Despite the problem, firefighters kept the blaze from spreading through the rest of the 1915 beaux arts building.

Fire officials said the half-million-square-foot building was unoccupied and no injuries were reported.

Fire Department Lieutenant Edward Campbell said a cause had not been determined and it will take up to a week for structural engineers to determine the extent of the damage.

"It appears there was no structural damage to the dome," said Tony Irons, the Department of Public Works' chief architect on the project. "For the people of San Francisco, that's a good thing."

Irons said the fire started beneath the thin copper facade of the dome, which is 90 feet in diameter. The flames were sandwiched between the copper on the exterior and the wood, tile and steel in the interior of the dome. Most of the damage was to the wood and plaster inside the dome, which Irons said was scheduled to be repainted anyway.

"A fair amount of copper was destroyed," Irons said, adding that ornate plaster moldings were heavily stained by smoke. "But the firefighters did a wonderful job even though they were hampered by lack of water."

One of the two iron pipes which carry water some 300 feet from the ground to the top of the dome was leaking, Irons said, forcing firefighters on scaffolding to drag hoses to the blaze.

"It was a very difficult fire to fight," Campbell said. "Firefighters literally had to carry equipment up narrow spiral staircases in the dome area."
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/4-Alarm-Fire-in-S-F-City-Hall-Dome-No-one-3013270.php

I had a serious lump in my throat watching this drama play out.

Pedestrian
Feb 2, 2021, 8:43 PM
I took a pic from Golden Gate Avenue while on a walk yesterday

http://imgur.com/cwhocRW.jpg

If they have painted the red pavement all the way to Sutter, which is quite a few blocks, I wonder if they'll open it up to bus use before the entire project is finished.

AndrewK
Feb 3, 2021, 1:51 AM
If they have painted the red pavement all the way to Sutter, which is quite a few blocks, I wonder if they'll open it up to bus use before the entire project is finished.

The last time I drove up van ness a week or two ago they hadn’t started any work on actually building out the stops themselves, so I don’t think they are in any rush to start using the center lanes. When I was over there they were still working on laying the brickwork for the sidewalks in the stretch between Sutter and Washington on the west side of the street, so they may have finished that by now in order to shift the traffic to the curb lanes to start work on the median (the only section they hadn’t started working on yet).

BobbyMucho
Feb 3, 2021, 2:21 AM
Here's a quick snap of progress on the embattled [5-story, mixed-use] project at Valencia and Duboce (across from Zeitgeist).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vc3aavd9zbjk9mw/198%20Valencia%20001.png?raw=1

It likely won't be too noteworthy in terms of architecture, but happy to see housing replace an oil change spot.

Find reference and an older rendering on Socketsite, here (https://socketsite.com/archives/2020/02/price-cut-for-contentious-development-site-on-valencia.html).

p.s. Permits for excavation and shoring are approved which is what you're seeing above (vs demo).